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Aug 3, 2010 5:22 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Protest over Beach Hampton beach guards

Aug 3, 2010 5:22 PM

A resident of the Beach Hampton development in Amagansett said on Monday that he, along with about a dozen others, will protest the Amagansett East Association’s plan this coming weekend to post guards at the neighborhood’s beach walkways. The guards, off-duty police officers, have been instructed to turn away anyone who isn’t a resident or is a resident who hasn’t paid their dues to the property owners association.

The reason for the guarded walkways is because many non-residents have discovered Hampton Beach as an alternative to the crowded Atlantic and Indian Wells beaches, association officials said.

“They’ve never done anything like this before,” said Bill Frisbie, who lives on Marine Boulevard and is leading the protest because “the board is unilaterally taking this step without consultation of the membership.”

He has written a letter to residents asking them to join his protest, which would be to ignore the guards and proceed to the beach. “Tell them to call the police if they accuse you of trespassing,” he wrote in the letter to association members.

Rona Klopman, president of the association, which maintains the beaches and walkways of Beach Hampton, adjacent to where Bluff Road meets the Montauk Highway, said that all but one of the seven-member board of directors voted to hire guards for this weekend only as a pilot program.

“We didn’t have time to call a meeting in July” to discuss it with the members, Ms. Klopman said, adding that the board can make a decision like this alone, according to the association’s by-laws. The association owns the walkways, she said. All residents of Beach Hampton have been notified about the guards by postcard.

The guards will be on duty Saturday from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. and Sunday from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

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Perhaps the guards should be wearing jack boots too. This is intimidation of people on public beaches, pure and simple. Evidently this "seven member board" has taken a cue from our "dear leaders" on the EH town board and has decided to enact its policies without the review of its constituents. And, how could they possibly enforce this? Do I have to carry an ID at all times? I can move to Arizona if I want to live in a police state.

If people are parking their cars illegally then tow ...more
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Aug 4, 10 10:50 AM
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When was Rona Klopman elected Town Trustee?
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Aug 4, 10 11:18 AM
Everyone in EH with a beach driving permit should drive onto the beach before 9AM and set up for the day @ "Rona's beach" Make sure you bring your dogs!
By pupdaddy (12), North Sea on Aug 4, 10 11:46 AM
That won't work as no vehicles are allowed on the beach during they day, even if parked.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 6, 10 7:07 AM
The coastline in America is for ALL Americans!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Aug 4, 10 2:38 PM
True accept where it is privately owned. In this case it is the access boardwalks that are privately owned, the issue is the mode of access, not the right to be on the beach.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 6, 10 7:10 AM
except...

By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 6, 10 7:10 AM
Is the "Bayside" area of Amagansett an incorporated Village? (no) Maybe Rona and her husband don't have enough activities to fill out their day and need to find something to kvetch about (usually anything and everything that everyone else want to do in Amagansett).

By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Aug 4, 10 3:13 PM
As a local whom was pushed out by what is lovingly refered to as "RB'S" I firmly believe all beaches belong to all residents. The day will come when the common people will take back what is rightfully belongs to them. Remember "Where the water flows and the beach grass grows"??
By Eamesbugsy (1), Seffner on Aug 4, 10 5:05 PM
They might own the walkways, but they don't own the beach!! Access that beach any way you can and set yourself up in front of the boardwalks. Screw these up the Island invaders, we own this beach!!
By bigfresh (4443), north sea on Aug 4, 10 5:42 PM
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Time for a massive vehicle protest on that beach! They may own the foot paths but thanks to Tom Dongan and the Trustees we can show them who owns the beach!
By independent observer (34), east hampton on Aug 4, 10 10:05 PM
and for all those anti beach driving snobs, ask them which causes more pollution, their house in the dunes or your truck on the sand? these snobs make me sick!
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Aug 4, 10 11:31 PM
The Trustees of both Towns are the only ones that are standing up for the rights of the people to use their beach. Shame on the local law firms that are saying that the patents are obsolete. Its time to send the newcomers a message and set up camp in front of their view they payed so much for.
By clammer (23), hampton bays on Aug 5, 10 12:40 AM
The ocean belongs to no one, but is free for everyone to use. Power to the people
By graibierd (6), Southampton on Aug 5, 10 8:07 AM
Who elected Rona to anything, or anyone else on that ridulous board. Every homeowner in Beach Hampton has a right to use the beach egress. There isnt any where for anyone to park unless they live down here. The only reason for this is because they can't collect the dues.
By alyb (1), Amagansett on Aug 5, 10 11:15 AM
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"The only reason for this is because they can't collect the dues."
Bingo! Cha-chinng - I think you're correct.
By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Aug 5, 10 7:31 PM
You people don't get it. It's every resident of the towns beach if your orginization has a deed to these paths produce it, if not get out of the way!
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Aug 5, 10 6:07 PM
some one tell me differently, but aren't these dues voluntary?? also how much does and off duty uard cost?? save the $ for the road maintance.
By tito (56), e hampton on Aug 5, 10 9:59 PM
Ms. Klopman has shown the true colors of her little group of phonies who say it is all about the "public good" when it really is about their own good. NIMBY's, fake environmentalists, goody two shoes with purely selfish motives...take your pick. Councilman Stanzione was excoriated by Ms. Klopman and her little clique for trying to appoint some locals with generations of roots in the community onto the local citizens advisory committee. He obviously knew what he was doing.
By formertbm (76), east hampton on Aug 5, 10 9:59 PM
selfish-and egotistical and bias....all seem to fit. Sorry, but the beach and waterways and oceans belong to everyone....you should thank God that there are no laws to have people that come out to the Hamptons barred because of such greed and stupidity!
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 6, 10 5:23 AM
If the right of ways are owned by the association then they are private property and access can be blocked as a non resident wouldnt have permission to tresspass over private property. Yes the beach belongs to everyone and you and I are allowed on it, however you may have to take a public route to get there. The question comes down to ownership of the right of way and it doesnt matter if they are maintained or not. The ownership of right aways in most beach communiites are in the individual deeds ...more
By North Sea Citizen (547), North Sea on Aug 6, 10 6:40 AM
Finally a voice of reason!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 6, 10 7:15 AM
Word has it local Bonac will be making a statemet tomorrow about the beaches and access to the sand. A Bonac tradition is to take you 4 wheel on the sand, set up, and enjoy the day. If you get on before 10AM you can go almost anywhere and park until six PM. The word around town is there will be people all over with their 4 wheels, including in front of the Klopman foot access path.
This could be the day the locals reclaimed their heritage. Should be interesting.
By formertbm (76), east hampton on Aug 6, 10 4:12 PM
This has become a very entertaining situation. Most of the responses to this article are as ridiculous as the situation Rona has created. First, yes the beach/ocean are public and available to all. It is the Right-Of-Way that is being disputed. These accesses are available to all who are either homeowners or those who rent in Beach Hampton. They are not for those who don’t live here, those who come by car and drop of friends and family so as to enjoy the private access we who live here have paid ...more
By Big House Beach (4), amagansett on Aug 6, 10 11:21 PM
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The real question here is wether or not Beach Hampton property owners and the Home Owners Association have deeded rights to these points of beach access. Being a taxpayer doesn't automatically equate to sole right of access. We currently share our beach access with anyone that can find it and I grew up in an area where the public beach was deeded to those that lived on or off of a single road (those who lived on the cliff used the public beach and those not used the access at the back of their property). ...more
By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Aug 8, 10 12:41 AM
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A non-event! No guards, no protest, business as usual. Someone (or many) came to their senses.

Enjoy the summer everyone and remember.....the left lane is for passing :)
By Big House Beach (4), amagansett on Aug 7, 10 5:34 PM
I think the bane of the issue is that the local population are sick and d**n tired of the "wealthy" usurping their home, and putting the middle class in the poorhouse to possess it. This situation is just some fire to light the fuse on a waiting powderkeg. We were once a middle class area with a tourist problem, now, we are a middle class community with a poverty problem. All thanks to our "wealthy" interlopers. Sure, they may "own" the dunes, but frankly, many of us don't think that should ...more
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 7, 10 7:49 PM
or as mel brooks said: "should we continue to build lavish mansions for the rich, or affordable housing for the poor?? Ah, F**K the poor"
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on Aug 7, 10 9:46 PM
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Actually, I believe it was Rod Serling who wrote that line for Mr. Heston.
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 7, 10 11:14 PM
Little bit of class envy there Mr. Z??!! If someone has worked there azz off and made a fortune where's the problem? We've been throught this before, but here it is
again. The second homeowners here provide a lot of jobs, good paying jobs th those willing to WORK. Where's the problem with that? True, a lot of them are egotistical, aholes with no clue about our local heritage, but that can apply to a mllot of full time residents too.
It sounds like you are a latent socialist, I'll pray ...more
By bigfresh (4443), north sea on Aug 8, 10 9:03 AM
If you would like to believe this is about class envy, then you have not studied History very well, and sling the label of Socialist way too easily. Do you even know me? Do you even know I have not only a regular job, a side business, and am a moderator for Google? I work at least 15 hours a day, if not away from home, but at home.

The tax cuts for the "wealthy" which have increased since Reagan first enacted them, and Clinton bolstered them, have put our not only placed our country's ...more
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 8, 10 11:31 AM
This one is for you, courtesy of Citibank in 2005:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6674234/Citigroup-Oct-16-2005-Plutonomy-Report-Part-1

THE UNITED STATES PLUTONOMY - THE GILDED AGE, THE ROARING TWENTIES, AND THE NEW MANAGERIAL ARISTOCRACY

Let’s dive into some of the details. As Figure 1 shows the top 1% of households in the U.S., (about 1 million households) accounted for about 20% of overall U.S. income in 2000, slightly smaller than the share of income of the bottom 60% ...more
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 9, 10 10:59 AM
Mr. Z, It was inevitable that the Hampton's would grow beyond the local population. All across America there are "secret" hamlets that have been discovered by outsiders much to the dismay of their current population. But did it have to happen so quickly on such a large scale?

Let's look into this a bit deeper, who really created this resort area? Was it the people who are able to afford the Real Estate or those who set the price? Back in the 60's and early 70's when I can first remember ...more
By Big House Beach (4), amagansett on Aug 8, 10 11:07 AM
I never said the blame should not lie closer to home. HOWEVER, more frequently than not, things go pushed through because the town didn't have the finances to fight high powered, high paid lawyers who defended what we could call selfish desires.

The blame can not only lie locally, but also with those who perpetuate disparity. Though it is not one sided, the blame is lopsided to the parties in question.

The greater your fortune, the greater your wealth, the greater your debt ...more
Aug 8, 10 1:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, by the way, the days of Leisurama, are long over as well, thanks to the parties in question as well...
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 8, 10 1:36 PM
Oh, and who set the prices you ask?

The people who asked the price, and the people who agreed to pay said price. If they couldn't, or refused to afford it, the price would have reduced.

Basic supply, and demand economics.
Aug 8, 10 1:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
Lastly, before I forget, the ABSOLUTE LAST thing you could accuse my parent's of being, is greedy. My father not only emigrated here, he never cleared six figures in his life, nor did my mother. As we say in North Sea, HAVE A NICE DAY!
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 8, 10 1:42 PM
No doubt that Ms. Klopman hit a nerve that is very tender right now. Many locals are fed up with these little groups of NIMBY's and political wannabes attempting to dictate what is and is not good for the town. These people are actively attempting to undermine the new Town administration at every turn as it attempts to dig out from the hole that Ms.Klopman's politicians dug for us over the last six years. There is an overwhelming majority of residents out there that are bursting at the seems ...more
By formertbm (76), east hampton on Aug 8, 10 2:28 PM
I am no fan of Mrs Klopman. That being said her position is president of the AEA and organization that operates only in the dunes of Beach Hampton. The local governments of the east end have undermined themselves with very little help of the summer residents.
By Big House Beach (4), amagansett on Aug 8, 10 6:38 PM
Please, they brought the rope...
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 8, 10 7:02 PM
Its unreal that this is the greatest concern for Dune residents. after watching a woman drown yesterday in front of the Deerfield Beach Path, you don't feel compelled to discuss lifeguards in front of the 3 Beach Paths on Marine Blvd? Or at least a Call Box to radio the Lifeguard Stations at Atlantic and Indian Wells if someone is drowning?
I would love to hear the arguments against this: is it lack of funds? or "uggghhhh, cant stand the sight of a life guard station while im at beach." get ...more
By AJL (6), Amagansett on Aug 9, 10 10:02 AM
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Swim at your own risk. Use reasonable judgement if the conditions are such that you could need assistance that isn't available. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who enter the ocean without respect for the peril they put thenselves or others in. If you can't swim well stick to pools!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 9, 10 12:20 PM
i expected some ignorant comments, so im not surprised. are you capable of identifying a riptide? we were out in the water an hour before the riptide occurred and it was fine, nothing noticable. what exactly is your concern over having a lifeguard? cant stand the despicable sight of a low-wage laborer while you are reading the Times?
By AJL (6), Amagansett on Aug 9, 10 12:53 PM
Me? Oh yes, quite capable of identifying a riptide, also a strong enough swimmer to not drown when caught in one. Chances are the woman who drowned had no business going in ocean any deeper than her ankles. Riptides are very handy when paddling out on a surf board, not so much for city people at the beach for the day. Locals rarely drown, wonder why that is.
The fact that you were in the water an hour before and it was fine is irrelevant, the tide is a factor in where and when the riptides will ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 9, 10 2:19 PM
You disgust me
By Dunes74 (3), Amagansett on Aug 13, 10 12:02 AM
Though ICE is a bit cold about the subject, he is correct.

All bathers should not only be aware of the tide tables, but the storm conditions offshore as well.

The Tropical Storm which had pushed through the Bahamas stirred things up pretty well. It is a fact that this is a horrible tragedy, but it is also a fact the ICE has various valid points. People simply DO NOT take enough personal responsibility when it comes to a multitude of things in life, and then blame everyone else ...more
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Aug 10, 10 9:32 AM
the beach is a public place !!!they dont own the beach and need someone to have the ba##s to tell them that!!like the people buy the airport you got your house cheaper because of the airport deal with the planes or move somewhere else but no one will say it to them you want to live on the beach deal with the people going to the beach.....it wont matter if we get one good hurricane...
By dan222 (3), east hampton on Aug 11, 10 4:22 PM
The beach is public, the walkways are not, it is trespassing to use them without permission. Pretty simple really.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 12, 10 9:21 PM
Amazing that someone scoffs at a woman who drowned. (Possibly helping others caught in the rip tide.)

Equally amazing that people won't consider lifeguards. (At the very least some display of the dangers of the rip tide and how to deal with it.)

But most amazing, the idea that someone has such barbaric disregard for someone who drowned ,I guess because she wasn't as savvy as some of these masters of the ocean.

And thanks to the guy who led the protest against the Beach ...more
By peter nord (1), nyc on Aug 12, 10 8:20 PM
Amazing someone who couldn't swim well enough to break free from a rip current would endanger themselves and others who would subsequently be trying to save her. Is it sad that she died, yes. Is anyone to blame besides her, no.

By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 12, 10 9:34 PM
Shame on you!!! What a horribly callous comment. I was on the beach that day. Were you? The water seemed fine and my friends and family were in the waves when it suddenly turned. Leslie was clearly a giving person who was apparently a strong swimmer. She tried to help those in peril and gave her life for others. I hope she rests in peace and you rot in....well, you get the message...
By Dunes74 (3), Amagansett on Aug 12, 10 11:58 PM
You all chose to be swimming at an unprotected beach, shame on you!
Sorry, the truth hurts lady, but facts are facts. She made a bad decision, it sucks that she perished due to that decision, but it was her choice to enter the water.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 13, 10 9:21 AM
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By Dunes74 (3), Amagansett on Aug 20, 10 12:48 AM
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