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Aug 24, 2010 5:47 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

In drowning aftermath, residents push for better beach protection

Aug 24, 2010 5:47 PM

Mr. Ryan said he also agreed extending the color-coded flag system, which alerts swimmers to the conditions of the water each day, to unprotected beaches would be helpful, but he said it would take a lot of manpower and a lot of coordination. Mr. Ryan has to communicate with lifeguards at every beach about the surf throughout the day and update the flags at each location.

“The question is, is it the town’s responsibility to go down there and actually put flags up?” he said. “As far as my job, it would make it difficult for me to have to do that every day.”

Mr. Ryan said he does hope the town will consider purchasing ATVs, which beaches in East Hampton Village are already equipped with. He said with the miles of unprotected beach, a quad would be a valuable asset for the lifeguards who sometimes have to run down the shore to get to a distressed swimmer, exhausting themselves before they even get to the rescue.

Ed McDonald, beach manager for East Hampton Village, said the quads are extremely useful and used often. The same weekend of the drowning in Amagansett, Mr. McDonald said lifeguards at village beaches used the ATVs for several rescues. At Main Beach, lifeguards had to drive a quarter to a half mile down the beach, he said, before entering the heavy surf to rescue a distressed swimmer.

“I can’t really speak firsthand about that drowning in Amagansett,” he said. “But I think part of the problem was the guards had to go down there on foot. First, that takes a lot of time; and second, that takes a lot of energy to get down there and then still have to go into the water. That can be troublesome.”

He said the lifeguards also use the quads to drive down the beach and tell swimmers to get out of the water when they notice the surf getting rough or see a rip current forming.

He said the village owns three ATVs that it replaces about every three years. He said they cost between $8,000 and $9,000 each and require some maintenance throughout the year.

“I think it would be very valuable for the town,” he said. “But I know the town is having financial troubles right now.”

But Ms. Klopman said she doesn’t think the town’s financial condition is a fair excuse, and said she hopes the board will be open to her suggestions when she presents them on Saturday.

“You can’t put a price on a human life,” she said. “Saving people in our ocean is the number-one factor.”

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I grew up in an ocean beach community in the south - from an early age we were instructed to only go in the water at lifeguard protected beaches, and we knew both ocean safety and respect for the power of the ocean. The drowning was a terrible incident; but with a coast line the size of east and south hampton, every beach cannot have a lifeguard.
Mr. Hallett speaks of parent responsibility - it is very upsetting to see parents letting their very young children play at the edge of the ocean ...more
By sunshine (47), southampton on Aug 25, 10 10:31 AM
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common sense and personal responsibility. it's not always someone else's fault
By uncleronk (136), southold on Aug 25, 10 10:41 AM
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I grew up in East Hampton and learned about respecting the ocean from an early age. We always swam at protected beaches and that's what everyone should do - go where the life guards are. No one should expect the town to have life guards for the entire stretch of ocean that is accessible inside East Hampton.
By Rich Morey (378), Brooklyn on Aug 25, 10 11:34 AM
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Protecting people from themselves can be a daunting task.
As far as flags go, they would be a good idea provided people understand what the colors mean. A few people had stated that they checked the flags that day at Atlantic Beach prior to going to Deerfield and said the flags were "yellow" as if this meant all is well and throw caution to the wind. Yellow means caution, it means watch your children closely if you even let them in the water and that is wether you are at a guarded beach or ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 25, 10 12:12 PM
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People drown in their own pools. It's all about common sense. If you don't want to be at risk for being caught in a rip, learn how to read the ocean. Or don't swim. Seriously.
By WoWHero (4), Southampton on Aug 25, 10 2:01 PM
Telling someone not to wade into the ocean on a hot summer day because they are not strong swimmers is ridiculous. It's not like most beach drownings happen to people who are swimming 50 yards from the beach, they are usually in waist deep water and swept off their feet. Lifeguards along the entire stretch of ocean is impractical, but why can't some sort of rescue device be stored every 50 yards year round. Remember, this person drowned while trying to rescue another person in trouble. If she could ...more
By deelove (152), Bridgehampton on Aug 25, 10 3:05 PM
The ridiculous thing is going in the ocean wether wading or whatever, when there is a yellow flag if you can't swim well. Swim At Your Own Risk, is the rule at unguarded beaches.

The flotation device thing was tried and people stole them to use in fires and who knows what else.

As squeaky said there was surely plenty of boogie boards or other flotation devices around the beach that day.
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 25, 10 7:22 PM
Im sure most people there had some sort of flotation device/ boogie board but I would bet that woman never thought about her own safety for a second. Pure adrenaline, just go help was what was running thru her head. No one can ever know how we will act in an emergency situation. But rescue equipment in plain sight is a great idea.
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Aug 25, 10 4:16 PM
there is currently a law suit against the eh town trustees in new york state court to make the beaches of the dunes area to white sand hotel private. this will be undoing the doogan patent. my question is that if this lawsuit is passed, which it looks like it will be, does the town have the responsibility to guards those beaches? if not then it should be up to the beach associations to educate thier homeowners and also provide lifeguards service at thier expense. especially since it is those ...more
By tito (56), e hampton on Aug 25, 10 6:05 PM
The Dogan Patent is misinterpreted by many people, most of whom have probably never read it. Who owns the beach, depends on the particular chain of title to a property. The blanket thought that the beaches ocean, but particularly bay beaches are public is wrong. Most ocean beaches are public, but there are exceptions to that. I imagine that is what this lawsuit is going to determine. Most bay beaches are private above the high tide line, many are owned below it as well, but the Public Trust Doctrine ...more
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 25, 10 7:16 PM
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Dongan Patent to be exact
By uncleronk (136), southold on Aug 26, 10 8:02 AM
By tito (56), e hampton on Aug 26, 10 9:16 PM
thought is to have Beachhampton to have their ocean cert lifeguards...this association usullay is against this..you pay the highest beach front taxes..now get a couple lifguards..u have guards to protect your private beaches in other ways???! Correct? you brought "them" out here to begin with....pay up...
By gansetteer (125), East Hampton on Aug 26, 10 12:09 AM
Someone in a position to know has told me that the Town of East Hampton has arranged for all of these folks to have a full time personal safety coordinator. They are going to create a new tax district to create a pool of funds which will pay for full time staff for each household within 5 miles of the beach. These full time staff members will be there to tell their citizen family whenever they are engaged in activity that could result in injury or even death. Could actually work.
By HW Jablome (21), southampton on Aug 26, 10 6:26 AM
There is no reason for the lack of beach protection in the area. Southampton is worse than East Hampton to an extreme with only 3 guarded beaches, (only one of them being a public beach, Coopers. The other two are The Bathing Corporation and the Bath & Tennis) Southampton has no form of a beach rescue unit that East Hampton has such as the ATVs. Southampton beach patrons must rely on the response of the Fire Department and the Ambulance, both of which have limited vehicles that can access the beach ...more
By acallahan (8), Southampton on Aug 26, 10 7:21 AM
Please specify that you are talking about Southampton Village, not Southampton Town. Southampton Town beaches also include Scott Cameron, Mecox, Sagg Main as well as extend west through Hampton Bays with numerous guarded beaches inbetween. The subject here is town, not village. East Hampton Village from what I believe (east hampton residents please correct if wrong) only has guards at Main Beach and Georgica. Town beaches in east hampton extend through Amagansett (not sure if closer to montauk ...more
By Sag Native (54), East Hampton on Aug 26, 10 11:31 AM
Also, Southampton "Town" does have vehicles for over beach access.
By Sag Native (54), East Hampton on Aug 26, 10 11:32 AM
This area of Amagansett has gone to great lengths to to privatize the public beaches in front of their homes. They have been able to convince the previous administration to install a no parking zone throughout the entire neighborhood and limit the use of vehicles on those beaches. Now they expect to have the town provide them with what would be private lifeguard service. And this is a few weeks after a story about them wanting to post guards at their boardwalks to prevent "outsiders" from accessing ...more
By phins (43), East Hampton on Aug 26, 10 7:42 AM
With you on all that. I can understand the parking ban, thats pretty much the way it is everywhere in both SH and EH near the ocean. Imagine the chaos and property damage if not. However, all those ROWs to the beach in Amagansett should be open to pedestrians, bikers, drop offs, etc.
To fully "protect" the beaches in both towns would require a lifeguard every few hundred thousand feet from from Moriches Inlet to Montauk, so no lone swimmer ever is out of reach. Ridiculous and absurdly expensive. ...more
By smacw (240), New York on Aug 26, 10 5:07 PM
Yes -The Amagansett Beach association has privatized the beachfront and should pay into their association to pay for a crew of full-time lifeguards, or at least as an association post flags at the entrance for their "Own" to determine the swimming conditions for the day.
By localwater (35), east hampton on Aug 28, 10 7:19 AM
Swim at your own risk. It's as simple as that.
By Dayo (33), Sag Harbor on Aug 26, 10 8:19 AM
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I feel very sorry for the family and friends of Ms. Sgaglione. Having been caught in a rip tide myself it is difficult to remain calm and remember what to do. Our community should remain proud of the lifeguards that protect us. Their level of professionalism and dedication is recognized not only on the eastern seaboard but nationwide. The more we as swimmers understand what is going on in the water the safer we will be. Thanks to these lifeguards for continuing to inform the public of danger. ...more
By Ebby (75), Sag Harbor on Aug 26, 10 11:07 AM
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Maybe we should fence the shoreline just like the ridiculous fences and alarms the law makes you put around your pool.
By skybound (3), Westhampton on Aug 26, 10 1:37 PM
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There is nothing ridiculous about requiring a fence or alarm around a pool.
By localwater (35), east hampton on Aug 28, 10 7:05 AM
In Florida all beaches are open to the public and are free! The beaches are protected by lifeguards paid for by tax dollars! Wake up Long Island its time for a change!
By LUVSH (28), Southampton on Aug 27, 10 3:32 PM
Haha, you are wrong! There are many beaches where you must pay to access the ocean. They charge you to drive your car on to the beach, that isn't free. There are also huge stretches of the Atlantic coast which are not accessible due to the oceanfront condo complexes and lack of any nearby parking.

There are also miles upon miles of with no lifeguards are in sight.

Wake up LUVSH it's time for you to go to Florida.....
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Aug 27, 10 8:54 PM
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This whole matter is very sad, and my heart goes out to the family, however
everyone should understand how critical the riptides and under current are and therefore my suggestion is use beaches that are protected with lifeguards,especially when you are a visitor to the east end.
The town cannot afford to put more lifeguard station and equipment on these beaches so everyone should be responbsible, Our lifeguards due a wonderful job and are all very dedicated.
By pattifiore (3), eas on Sep 1, 10 8:16 AM
To start let me say it is a terrible shame that someone needed to die to make this homeowners association try to get serious about safety, but make no mistake about it' We The People' are not allowed to access this beach through the associations accesses. It is their, and only their responsibility to protect THEIR members and guests. If and when they decide to give all the residents of East Hampton access then and only then should all town taxpayers fund lifegaurds at these beaches, untill then ...more
By montaukman (98), easthampton on Sep 1, 10 9:06 PM