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Sep 30, 2013 1:15 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Congressman Tim Bishop: Government Shutdown Was Avoidable, A Matter Of Politics

Oct 1, 2013 5:25 PM

Like the countdown on New Year’s Eve, the nation waited on Monday night to find out whether the government would shut down at midnight—and shut down it did.

For the first time in 17 years, a nasty impasse between Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. Congress over a spending bill to extend government funding brought many government services to a halt on Tuesday morning.

The GOP-controlled House and the Democrat-led Senate tossed the bill back and forth like a nasty game of volleyball for over a week, spiking their agendas at one another, hoping for agreement. At issue was the House’s desire to pass legislation that would delay implementation of the Affordable Care Act, also known as “Obamacare,” by one year. The legislation aims to increase the quality and affordability of health insurance, lower the uninsured rate by expanding public and private insurance coverage, and reduce the costs of healthcare for individuals and the government through mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges.

Despite agreeing to the House’s proposed $986 billion budget, which would have begun on Tuesday and lasted until December 15, the Democrats on Friday rejected the entire bill, which included the House’s addendum to halt Obamacare and eliminate subsidies for Congressional staffers buying healthcare in the new exchanges, or insurance marketplaces, which went live on Tuesday.

Once again on Monday night, the Senate voted to strip the healthcare language from the bill and sent it back to the House, which chose not to budge on its addendum, except to appoint eight Republican members to participate in a budget conference with the Senate.

Senate majority leader Harry Reid, a Democrat from Nevada, said in a speech that night that the Senate would not “go to conference with a gun to our heads,” and on Tuesday, the Senate rejected the House proposal to start conference committee negotiations. The next step remains uncertain.

On Monday, U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, used similar language, saying that the Republicans are “holding the government hostage.”

“What they are trying to do is damage to the greatest extent possible a law they consider to be bad public policy,” he said. “To delay for a year a law that’s going to help people ... and has already helped people—that’s not a bargain, that’s extortion.”

According to Mr. Bishop, both chambers of Congress passed the Affordable Care Act in 2010 before it was signed into law and ratified as constitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2012. He said it doesn’t make sense that Republicans would do this now.

“The effort to delay the implementation of a law by those who have lost at every other stage of this law, I think, imperils our constitutional process,” Mr. Bishop said. “If we can pass laws and the minority of Congress can threaten a shutdown not to impose a duly passed and vetted law, I think that calls into question the entire democratic process. It’s very dangerous.”

He said there is nothing left for Democrats to compromise on since they have already accepted the Republicans’ $986 billion figure.

But Ian Prior, the spokesman for the National Republican Congressional Committee, said Democrats’ unyielding attitude has caused the shutdown.

“Ultimately, this shutdown is a result of the president’s and congressional Democrats’ unwillingness to work with Republicans,” he said on Tuesday. “When he passed Obamacare, the president shut Republicans out of the process and rammed the bill through Congress with no bipartisan support. Every law that has stood the test of time has had support from both parties—the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Social Security, Medicare. That is the way the country should work. And what we now see throughout the country is that Obamacare is not popular, it is preventing economic growth, it is not ready for prime time, and people want to see it repealed, reformed or at least delayed.”

He added that each time the House of Representatives has passed continuing resolutions, like that proposed to continue to fund the government, while either delaying or making changes to the president’s law, they always had Democratic support.

“Despite that, however, President Obama and Harry Reid refuse to take anything less than 100 percent of what they think is best for America, and they have refused to even have a discussion with Republicans about finding a middle ground for funding the government at a responsible level.”

In the meantime, things will be different for Americans as they wait for Congress to make nice. Approximately 800,000 federal employees will be in limbo, which could cost the economy about $1 billion a week, reportedly.

Mr. Bishop said things aren’t going to be so easy.

“So much of what we take for granted will become difficult,” he said on Monday. “Social Security checks will continue to be mailed out but the Social Security regional office will be open but on a skeletal staff. Ninety percent of their staff are going to be told not to return. New cases and help with existing cases will stop. The Small Business Administration, which processes $1 billion in loans a month to help small businesses, that will all stop. We constantly hear from the Republicans that small business is the backbone of the economy—well, here’s a dagger in the heart of small business.”

According to CNN.com, which has a list of government agencies and their status, the Department of Education, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of Transportation and NASA are partially closed, as much of their staffs have been furloughed. The U.S. court system could run for 10 days on available funds.

Mr. Bishop said the National Institutes of Health and parts of Brookhaven Laboratory are closed. He added that the military will continue to work, and will be paid thanks to a legislative agreement between the House and the Senate.

Some programs and government offices will remain open during the shutdown because they rely on mandatory spending outside the congressional appropriations process. The U.S. Postal Service, for example, will continue operating.

Locally, all or nearly all of the 218 “dual status” technicians at the 106th Rescue Wing at Gabreski Air Base, who had been previously furloughed due to sequestration budget cuts, will now be furloughed for the duration of the shutdown.

At Stony Brook University, the payment management system at the National Institutes of Health, SBU’s largest source of research funds, will be available, but administrative support will not. Researchers can draw down money from their grants unless the request needs to be reviewed or approved. New grant applications can be filed, but they will not be acted upon until the workforce returns. The direct student loan program will not be affected.

National parks are closed. According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Long Island National Wildlife Refuge Complex locations will be closed, including in Amagansett, as well as the Elizabeth A. Morton National Wildlife Refuge in Noyac.

Additionally, the Superstorm Sandy supplemental appropriations legislation will continue to fund work on Sandy-related construction projects including the Fire Island to Montauk Point Study and the emergency project to stabilize the beach in downtown Montauk. Impact on Sandy construction projects and other future operations could be affected in the event of a prolonged shutdown.

Many government websites will be down or have limited functionality as well.

To encourage those who have been furloughed, President Obama sent out a letter on Tuesday, thanking the American people for their hard work and ensuring them that he is working to get government back up and functioning.

“This shutdown was completely preventable. It should not have happened,” he wrote. “You defend our country overseas and ensure that our troops receive the benefits they deserve when they come home. You guard our borders and protect our civil rights. You help small businesses expand and gain new footholds in overseas markets. You guide hundreds of thousands of people each day through the glory of America’s national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Statue of Liberty. You do all this in a political climate that, too often in recent years, has treated you like a punching bag. I will continue to do everything in my power to get the House of Representatives to allow our government to reopen as quickly as possible, and make sure you receive the pay that you have earned.”

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It has been posited that following a cult, and engaging in religious fundamentalism could be considered a bona fide mental disorder. It seems like the extremist members of the Republican party in Congress would be a great case study. They've already tried to repeal the ACA over forty times. We all know what the definition of insanity is, right?

Doing the same thing, over and over, expecting a different result.

Each of us should mail them a box of Cocoa Puffs...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Sep 30, 13 2:39 PM
Ted Cruz and his fellow teaparty fascists are the greatest gift the dems could have asked for. Go ahead, lunatics, shut it down, we'll thank you in 2014 and beyond. We are finally witnessing the demise of the republican party who live in fear of a man, Ted Cruz, who represents about 5% of the American public!

What do they fear? The success of Obama care!
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Sep 30, 13 2:51 PM
Because socialized medicine really worked in Europe right? Ted Cruz is the only hope for Americas future. Obamacare will absolutely DESTROY this country. Doctors are retiring & people have either lost their jobs completely or have been cut down to part time. Those who don't have health insurance will be forced to buy it AND if they don't, they will have a few thousand dollar fine to pay to the IRS. Who do you think this will affect? The MIDDLE CLASS working men/women. And I find it hilarious that ...more
By tranquility1985 (25), Westhampton on Sep 30, 13 3:46 PM
Tranquility, you are just another in a long line if ditto heads with no clue what you are talking about. How is a health care program that retains private insurers socialism? Can't you extremists think it read? Ask Europeans if they would trade their healthcare system for ous which costs 3x more and is less efficient and allows people to due for lack of coverage and see what they say. And then go and look up the definition of socialism. Unthinking zombie.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 30, 13 4:23 PM
Tranquility, Peoplefirst thinks your stupid, He thinks you dont relize that the ACA is the first step to introducing a single-payer national health care system to the United States,and the public option,is the first step to fundamentaly changing the country and redistributing the wealth
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Sep 30, 13 7:16 PM
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Hey, Erin, please tell me, in detail, what you dislike about single payer
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 12:53 PM
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The affordable care act is not socalized medicine. Its a law that makes medical insurance affordable for every American. I can promise you that those people who have gone without it, will not feel forced into purchasing. They will welcome it. Is it a perfect system? No, but like all things new, it will be tweaked and it will of help to so many. If middle class working men and women have benefits through there employers it wont affect them at all. If they don't.... Reading is fundemental read ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Oct 3, 13 2:19 PM
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We've gotten nothing but lies from Obama and democrats on Obamacare why would we believe anything they say now?

Today the White House deleted reference to "free health care" from it's Obamacare website. It's been one snake oil sales pitch after the other. One would think if Obamacare was so great, Dems wouldn't need lie after lie to sell it.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 30, 13 4:17 PM
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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Sep 30, 13 4:25 PM
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Its so obvious some people are frustrated man haters lol
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Sep 30, 13 7:21 PM
Winning.... That's what it's all about to the left and the only thing that matters. Damn the unsustainability and the collision course the country is on with the unsustainable debt... And with your comments partyfirst, it's also clear the left has issue with precautionary procedures to help ensure the safety of a woman during medical procedures. Doesn't surprise me a bit. Winning...
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 30, 13 11:29 PM
No. It's because Obamacare is considered to be destructive to the country and the economy and widely seen to be the single biggest driver of what will collapse and implode the country into unsustainable debt.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 2, 13 11:33 AM
Oh the drama. Same story different year.
the fact that we are here today to debate raising the national debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to fianance our reckless fiscal policies....increasing Americas debt weakens us domestically and internationnaly. Leadership means the busck stops here. Instead Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our hildren and grandchildren. ...more
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Sep 30, 13 4:53 PM
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Its the president’s thats got to lead here

Sen. Ted Cruz Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Depressed.”

“If we have a shutdown, it will be because Harry Reid holds that absolutist position and essentially holds the American people hostage,”

they will not negotiate on the debt ceiling. But They should be talking. They should be meeting, discussing this, because the American economy is at stake and its on obamas watch. If there is a downturn ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Sep 30, 13 7:35 PM
It's more likely because Rainey didn't do jack, except give the New Deal a free pass. And, he wasn't elected speaker until March of 1933.

Cruz IS a moron.

Nicholas Longworth was Speaker before, during, and after the market crash.
Sep 30, 13 7:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
It also bears mentioning that Raines died in August of 1934, and was succeeded by two other Speakers. Joseph Byrnes, who died in June of 1936 after a year and a half in the position, and was succeeded by William Bynes who died in September 1940. Sam Rayburn succeeded him. That last name should ring a bell for most of you out there...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Sep 30, 13 7:46 PM
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Dennis Miller On Greed: Let's Go To A One-On-One Sponsorship System
DENNIS MILLER: Like I said, I want to help the helpless, but I don't want to help the clueless. But is there anyway you can bust on somebody now whose getting free health care and two years unemployment and you know the myriad of other benefits? Is there anyway, now, that you can go to a guy, 'Listen, we're picking up a lot of this, you've got to get a part time job for something.' Or is that just bad? Is that evil? ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Sep 30, 13 8:14 PM
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Whatever issue you may be most concerned about -- climate change, widening inequality, declining real median wages, rising poverty among the young, the soaring costs of healthcare, bailouts for Wall Street, the sprawling military-industrial-congressional complex, the morality brigade that wants to dictate who can marry and whether a woman has control over her body, a government captured by corporations and the wealthy -- nothing can be done until we get big money out of politics and reclaim our ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Sep 30, 13 11:37 PM
Robert Reich is the biggest pendant for the losers club him and little Paulie Krugman. Tell me Phil... How does it feel to be a champion for a group of people who spend there lives trying to get what other people have. It would make me feel like a grub or leech after a while. I would rather be broke living in a box than take government assistance. I would feel like a parasite... I am being serious. I don't get it I see some people on MSNBC with no self respect. If you took everything I have away ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 1, 13 1:07 AM
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"Well isn't that special."

You're no patriot. You're just bitter and mean.

I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears:


Our Congress has become an absolute Big Money infested, fundamentalist ridden bad joke.

The system is broken, and the system is rigged. Driven by lobbying and propaganda, the lies are now believed as truth. If you're well heeled enough, you'll do no time for the crime.

Truth is that a limited role of government is one thing. A lack of ...more
Oct 1, 13 1:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
The Sociopath Next Door, by Martha Stout
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 1, 13 1:59 AM
Have you felt nothing but chaos since the election of this president? It's deliberate and will continue. While you were worrying about the shut-down that is really not a shut-down at all, the amnesty bill for illegal immigrants was hustled through significant progress. It's all about the chaos to keep everyone on their heels.
By BiListren (7), East Hampton on Oct 1, 13 6:03 AM
Oh no the sky is falling, No park police we should keep it shut down until they lay off some of the unnecessary government employees

Harry reed said we are the anarchists, What a joke, We have not had a federal budget in the government since this crew took office. Look even Phil knows it!

" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

The Outstanding Public Debt as of 01 Oct 2013 at 01:42:23 PM GMT is:
$ 1 6 , 7 4 5 , 2 1 9 , 3 2 9 , ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 1, 13 9:42 AM
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) sharply criticized his fellow House Republicans on Monday, saying it's "moronic" for them to let the government shut down over their opposition to Obamacare and calling them "lemmings with suicide vests."

“They have to be more than just a lemming," he said. "Because jumping to your death is not enough."

Nunes slammed his colleagues for their divisive approach, accusing House Republicans of creating an "us versus them" mentality.

“You ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 11:57 AM
to Captn America:

Quote: "Put your health care where your mouth is Tim. Enter the Obamacare exchanges and have the same health care options as the millions who are losing their current health coverage."
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Has the tedium of fact-checking led you to abandon it entirely? Tim (and the rest of Congress) is required BY THE PPACA ITSELF, to get health insurance through the insurance exchanges.

When another poster pointed out your ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 1, 13 12:04 PM
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Hat, you aren't dealing with people who have read even an Oxford history of the United States.

I wish us the best of luck...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 1, 13 6:59 PM
Wrong again, capt'n crunch - there is NO exemption for congress
Here’s what the law’s text says: “Notwithstanding any other provision of the law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and Congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are — (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Oct 2, 13 9:41 AM
Rep. Patrick Meehan (R-PA) on Tuesday called on his GOP colleagues to vote for a "clean" short-term resolution to fund the government and bring the shutdown, which went into effect late Monday night, to an end.

"I came to Washington to fix government, not shut it down," he said in a statement. "At this point, I believe it’s time for the House to vote for a clean, short-term funding bill to bring the Senate to the table and negotiate a responsible compromise."
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 12:04 PM
To all of the intentinally misinformed: Congress and congressional staff are required to get health insurance through the exchanges. Congressional staff workers (who make a middle class wage) are provided subsidies to help pay, just as many private companies are doing.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 12:06 PM
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House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) worked with top congressional Democrats behind the scenes to preserve employer contributions for congressional staff's health care plans even as he decried those subsidies in public, Politico reported Tuesday.

Emails and documents obtained by Politico show Boehner and his aides worked with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD), among others, to find a way to maintain the long-standing employer contributions. ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 12:52 PM
Bernie Sanders,

"I start my approach to health care from two very basic premises. First, health care must be recognized as a right, not a privilege. Every man, woman and child in our country should be able to access the health care they need regardless of their income. Second, we must create a national health care system that provides quality health care for all in the most cost-effective way possible. Tragically, the United States is failing in both areas.

It is unconscionable ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 13 12:52 PM
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Bernie Sanders,

Nuff said Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Oct 1, 13 9:27 PM appended by They call me
On Tuesday evening, left-wing Politico ran a headline story encapsulating the theme of the day: “Government closed, Obamacare falters.” That message marked a massive loss for the Obama administration, which has claimed that Obamacare’s implementation could not be delayed, and used that rationale as an excuse to reject the House’s proposal for a one-year delay in favor of a government shutdown.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 1, 13 9:27 PM
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Last time I checked, Bernie Sanders is a public servant, not a politician. You should really check out who supports his campaigns over at Open Secrets.

If most of us are incompetent at or don't do our jobs, one usually doesn't retain one. Big Money and "corporate personhood" has corrupted our legislative and electoral processes and this is no longer a government by, of, or for the People. It is an extension of Oligarchy, also known as Plutocracy. Big Money and the propaganda machine won ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 6:27 AM
Excellent post dagdavid. Might add that there are thousands of premature deaths each year due to lack of health insurance.

Also, since March, democrats went to House Reps 18 times to negotiate fed budget. House has had the Senate passed budget for months.
By number19 (110), Westhampton on Oct 1, 13 6:57 PM
If only the "Tea Party" could grasp irony, and I'd post a link if I could:



The Real Boston Tea Party was an Anti-Corporate Revolt

by Thom Hartmann



CNBC Correspondent Rick Santelli called for a "Chicago Tea Party" on Feb 19th in protesting President Obama's plan to help homeowners in trouble. Santelli's call was answered by the right-wing group FreedomWorks, which funds campaigns promoting big business interests, and is the opposite of what the real ...more
Oct 1, 13 7:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
Wednesday, April 15, 2009
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 1, 13 7:06 PM
Obama "refuses to behave like an American president"

This particular president, is the most aloof, the most cynical and the most distant of any president in my lifetime.

The big problem is that President Obama refuses to behave like an American President, he refuses to deal with the Congress as his equal, which it is in the Constitution. (CBN News)

This president puts himself above the constitution and that’s very dangerous for our freedoms.

I have never ...more
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 1, 13 9:55 PM
MSNBC’s Mara Schiavocampo ran into difficulties as she tried to sign up for the newly launched health-care exchanges on Tuesday. After getting an error message on the website, she called the help line twice, but wasn’t able to reach a navigator on the other end. Instead, she was put on hold for 35 minutes.

“If I were signing up for myself, this is where my patience would be exhausted,” Schiavocampo said before she gave up.

The exchanges, which went online ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 1, 13 9:33 PM
Ms. Schiavocampo should have used an Obamaphone.
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 1, 13 9:47 PM
Servers are like highways o' worldly one.

When there's too much traffic, it stops.

That's why hackers use DDOS attacks.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 1, 13 10:15 PM
world economy? Do you say these ridiculously un patriotic things just to antagonize?

This should make a creep like you happy.


US government shutdown: Barack Obama is presiding over the end of America's superpower status

By Con Coughlin World Last updated: October 1st, 2013

1930 Comments Comment on this article

For a country that is supposed to be the most powerful in the world, the fact that Americans have today woken up to find large swathes of ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 1, 13 10:51 PM
Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic, 1789-1815 (Oxford History of the United States) by Gordon S. Wood


Try this on for size. I may help spare the rest of us your "patriotic" blathering...
Oct 2, 13 4:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
EDIT: "It may help spare the rest of us your "patriotic" blathering... "
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 4:56 AM
Oh stop it. This is the 18th time this has happened. The climate in DC is no more worse than it was during Vietnam or Reagan or during lots of times. Surely with the sun on it's way up nothing in your life or the life of the vast majority of Americans will be any different today or any other day this week. All benefit checks and payroll deposits continue. Let's be honest, with 800,000 "non-essential" employees, lots of those people are continuing to do at home exactly what they did all day ...more
By BiListren (7), East Hampton on Oct 2, 13 6:25 AM
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to 27dan:

President Obama's principled refusal to submit the federal government to the extortion of House Republican extremists who represent but 18% of the US populace may give the rational members of the Republican Party in the House the excuse that they need to resist the lunacy of the Tea Party and to refuse to throw the country into default. If not, united behind their new leader, Ted Cruz, whose behavior and physiognomy are so reminiscent of Joe McCarthy, the cognitively benumbed ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 2, 13 12:09 AM
Sure we need healthcare, but where is the money coming from?
By chief1 (2770), southampton on Oct 2, 13 7:50 AM
Unlike medicare part d was was NOT paid for and added billions to the debt, the republicans demanded the ACA be paid for and it is through a combination of small tax increases on the wealthiest, 500 billion dollars in saving from medicare waste and insuranc company subsidies, small taxes on medical devices and a number of other provisions that are easy to find through a very simple google search.

Your question, Chief, is clearly rhetorical, as you obviously have a computer which certainly ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 2, 13 7:55 AM
And the ACA reduces the deficit. In fact, the budget put forth by the republicans uses deficit savings from the very act they profess to hate.

“CBO and JCT estimate that enacting both pieces of legislation—H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal—would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010–2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenues.”

When Congressional Republicans sought to repeal the law, ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 2, 13 7:58 AM
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Harry Reid: Forget Constituents, We Serve the Government, WOW Really ?

Somehow, I'm thinking many of Harry Reid's constituents may have a different impression as to what his responsibility is actually supposed to be.
Some may even have thought he's in Washington to serve and support them, not his political party and the federal government. They'd be wrong.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 2, 13 8:56 AM
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to Captn America:

Quote:
"It's well documented that congress has a well subsidized tax payer funded health plan. Democrats want nothing to do with republican proposals that would require congress to get their health coverage through the exchanges.

Require congress to get their coverage from the exchanges... They have Cadillac health plans as part of their benefits package.

Tim and the rest of congress is NOT required to get health insurance through the exchanges. While ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 2, 13 12:02 PM
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Plunge: MSNBC Ratings in Free Fall
Sept 29, 2013

Unabashed, sneering, surreal lefty propaganda isn't selling. America's least-watched "major" cable "news" network has continued its ratings slide this summer, falling off a cliff within the key 25-54 demographic. I put "news" in scare quotes because MSNBC is not a news outfit, by its own president's admission ( " MSNBC isn't really into breaking news, We’re not the place for that,” MSNBC president Phil Griffin told the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 2, 13 1:14 PM
So your argument against the ACA is MSNBC's falling ratings? Pathetic.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 2, 13 3:40 PM
The ACA is what proper, and fair regulation has the potential to do. Is it perfect? Not yet, maybe won't be. I'd like to think it might.

Insurance companies as an industry increased profit by somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 billion dollars in the last decade. There is such a thing as "getting paid", but that number is just bat**** ridiculous when it is estimated we pay the most for care in the "civilized world". The money supply, and the costs of everything in this developing Weimar ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 4:14 PM
How's that ethics investigation going Timmy??!! Nice diversion

And a prez with too much power is on the way to being a dictator.

This will not stand!
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 2, 13 5:07 PM
Boehner is no Sam Rayburn.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 6:52 PM
WWII VETS STORM DC MEMORIAL...
WAR VETERANS THREATENED WITH ARREST...
REPORT: WH rejected visit request...
PAUL: 'Goons' blocked landmark...
BARRYCADES: Park Service workers erect fences...
More guards than at Benghazi...
NPS says Obama admin ordered closure...
Reid blames Republicans...
RNC offers to pay to keep open...

By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 2, 13 8:22 PM
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You keep telling yourself that...

When the smoke clears it will be obvious that Barack Obama spitefully *chose* to make WWII Memorial inaccessible to veterans.

This administration closed down national monuments and museums, because it thinks that attacking DC tourism will give the Democratic party leverage over the Republican party. It’s bad that the Obama administration tried to keep WWII veterans away from the monument that honors them. It failed, of course,

These ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 2, 13 8:32 PM
35% plan to not buy insurance, pay fine...

A new Gallup poll has found that 35 percent of today's uninsured plan to stay that way.

The poll, released on Oct 2, found under half intend to take advantage of the state or federal insurance exchanges when they are finally up and running.

Statistics worsened in the important 18 to 29 age bracket. Sixty-nine percent of the youth demographic had no plans to get health insurance by January 1, 2014. This is the age group that ...more
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 2, 13 8:43 PM
" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

Obama/Reid putting up barriers at the memorials.

These are just areas where people walk. This bit of shutdown theater was perfected by Clinton, rather than cutting waste, the monuments were closed to great dramatic effect. Anyone who has ever walked on the National Mall can attest, these memorials are things you walk by. Shuttering them is nothing more than spiteful theater.
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 2, 13 8:58 PM
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So kids are young, foolish, and you can't tell them anything. Some think they're invincible until they have an accident, get a serious illness, or worse yet cancer.

Tell us something we don't know.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 9:13 PM
he will negotiate.
Oct 2, 13 9:18 PM appended by They call me
Some Obamacare state websites see less than 1% signup rates Louisiana: Zero Enroll? Obamacare phones offered to health insurance buyers Say hello to Obamacare phones. In Tennessee, those shopping on the new health insurance co-ops could end up with more than just some health insurance. They might even walk away with a free smartphone. The Nashville Business Journal is reporting that Community Health Alliance, Tennessee’s Obamacare health insurance co-op, is using the prospect of a free phone to encourage folks to enroll: Debt Held by Public Up 90% Since Jan '09 Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts? MASSIVE GLITCHES PERSIST AS GOV'T BLAMES HIGH DEMAND... Enrollment effort takes reporter to empty building...
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 2, 13 9:18 PM
It seems many of the Federalists have survived. It seems "We, the People" must depose them once again...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 10:08 PM
"Our task is not merely one of itemizing Republican failures. Nor is that wholly necessary. For the families forced from the farm do not need to tell us of their plight. The unemployed miners and textile workers know that the decision is before them in November. The old people without medical care, the families without a decent home, the parents of children without a decent school: They all know that it's time for a change.

We are not here to curse the darkness; we are here to light a ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 2, 13 9:24 PM
who do you think your fooling it is so obvious that you are phil@home mr z, its your alter ego that you use when you know you sound dumb.

then you pretend you are someone else and post with your pseudo intellectual cut and paste nonsense.

why don't you just admit when you are leery of sounding like an ignorant small minded partisan you post as p@home
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 2, 13 10:08 PM
no Erin Z is not a democrat like Phil. He is an independent.....NOT.

Lets not forget. Leadership stops at the top
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 2, 13 10:38 PM
i see what you mean ~ giggle ~
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 2, 13 11:08 PM
Congratulations Erin you figured it out, For those of us that have been here for years, The Mr Z / philathome puppet show is common knowledge.

It is somthing we just live with.
Oct 3, 13 1:27 AM appended by They call me
" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 3, 13 1:27 AM
Hey Phil, enjoying the show?

I think I rather enjoy watching the detectives fail. So much for not reveling in another's misfortune...
Oct 3, 13 2:45 AM appended by Mr. Z
FYI, I'm more of a Theodore Roosevelt style progressive. Both parties are corrupt, with few individual member exceptions. I am not too stupid to realize it takes proper rules and authority to manage a population full of people as stark raving brilliant in their social attitudes, single mindedness, and detective work as yourselves. Point of note, self education, is just as important as self reliance. I always felt that Rip van Winkle really was the original Willy Loman style drama. In fact, just for the sake of fun, how about in no less than 2000 characters please tell the forum what "Oligarchy" means to you. Since y'all are so smart, I think the exercise would prove interesting. That is, should you have the coglioni, a.k.a. juevos to participate...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 2:45 AM
Oligarchy has never been more present than under the present administration.
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 3, 13 7:25 AM
That's not entirely accurate.

In American history, the "Gilded Age" gave us the second incarnation of Oligarchy in American history. The first was the English Crown, and the Dutch East India Company.

I would have to go with the first incarnation of Oligarchy as the most influential, though it was coupled to a monarchy. The "Gilded Age" of the early twentieth century would qualify as the more influential coupled with a Republic. It lasted from the Civil War, then through the Depression ...more
Oct 3, 13 8:06 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, if a provision like that were actually enforced, most of Congress would end up almost broke except for their base salary...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 8:06 AM
Ok. I'll put in an addendum. In the modern era oligarchy has never been more present that under the present administration.
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 3, 13 4:32 PM
"To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day."

"'This country belongs to the people. Its resources, its business, its laws, its institutions, should be utilized, maintained, or altered in whatever manner will best promote the general interest."

~ Theodore Roosevelt
Oct 3, 13 3:55 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, IMHO many of you would have called Thomas Jefferson a "leftist". It is to laugh...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 3:55 AM
"...this means that our government, National and State, must be freed from the sinister influence or control of special interests. Exactly as the special interests of cotton and slavery threatened our political integrity before the Civil War, so now the great special business interests too often control and corrupt the men and methods of government for their own profit. We must drive the special interests out of politics. That is one of our tasks to-day. Every special interest is entitled to justice--full, ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 5:06 AM
**** rolls downhill.

It really starts with the Supreme Court. They set the precedents. Though Congress passes bills and laws, they make the decisions, they write the concurring and dissenting opinions. When it comes to major contention they have the ball.

Regarding the ACA, they saw it as regulation and the exchanges as digital infrastructure, then they ruled accordingly. The right to impose tariffs on medical devices is within the realm of Congressional authority, and if you've ...more
Oct 3, 13 1:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions. Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho’ from an opposite cause.” ~ James Madison, 1792
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 1:29 PM
" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

Oct 3, 13 8:07 AM appended by They call me
TESLA stock tumbles after Model S catches fire...
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 3, 13 8:07 AM
Well, if your gas tank is punctured by a foreign object, or the fuel lines ruptured, that has the potential to cause a car fire too. Somehow, I doubt they will lose the 400% gain they have already posted.

NEXT...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 8:27 AM
The real affects of the republican shutdown:

Head Start Closures... 1,900 Furloughed At Joint Base... Grand Canyon Closed... 85,000 Meals For Kids At Risk... 1,282 Marines Furloughed... Fire Management Unit Closed... U.S. Attorney's Office Furloughs 40 Staffers... 500 Furloughed At Air Force Base... Mars Spacecraft Launch Preparations Put On Hold... 3,100 Workers Told To Stay Home... Scientific Research Stalled... Search For Missing Woman Temporarily Put On Hold... 2,500 Employees At Naval ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 3, 13 9:54 AM
"Grand Canyon Closed" - not all of the sections that are owned by the Native Americans, they're still very much open to the public.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 13 10:52 AM
As predicted, the reasonable Republicans in the House are reassessing their support of the extremist nutters now that their constituents have made their voices heard about being out-of-work. There will soon be a face-saving compromise to enable the Republicans to cave on their second asinine shutdown of the federal government. Furthermore, no matter how much Ted Cruz and the House Cruzoids may whine, their party (abjuring political suicide) will not throw the government into default. That's good ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 3, 13 1:38 PM
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The republicans are offering bills that will fund the National Guard and WIC among others but the DEMOKRATZ refuse to pass them and Barak Hussein Obama mmm mmmmmm says HE WILL VETO THEM. Now who is really being infantile?
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 3, 13 5:03 PM
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The ACA is an extraordinarily un-American shakedown and I applaud anyone politician that rejects it regardless of party (though in this case we know where everyone stands). From the loss of coverage (you can't keep what you have after all) to the increased premiums, to the limited coverage and high deductibles on the exchanges, to the tax credits if you join the exchange and loss if you don't, this govt doing its very best to hurt small businesses. I reject it. It's not fixed. It should be rejected ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 3, 13 5:31 PM
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The ACA has been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court. They saw it as proper regulation and the exchanges as digital infrastructure. It was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the SCOTUS.

There have been repeated delays in implementation on many aspects of the Act, and this still is not enough to appease the extremists. There has been enough compromise already, and that's not what the GOP wants. They want to stop the Act from being implemented, without going ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 5:40 PM
SCOTUS can judge if a law is constitutional without determining if it's smart. They don't rule on these matters based upon end results, they rule on the Constitutionality of the law. I offer real world circumstances of the ACA. Not a pretty picture. So sometimes you choose a team to play on. America should be better than this. I still believe we are. Talk to small business owners if you care. Understand what they are dealing with and the poor choices on the menu.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 3, 13 5:52 PM
Do you have a year delay which should hopefully allow for things to be "patched"?

Well, that's if Congress can get their **** together...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 6:39 PM
Z as a self proclaimed spokesman for the working man you should see the ACA for what it truly is.... One of the biggest money grabs by the US Gvt in recent history
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 4, 13 7:05 AM
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By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 4, 13 10:54 AM
"This a free market solution" Increased taxes, federal grants, tax credits, mandates..... LOL... Liberal logic at its best
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Oct 5, 13 2:15 AM
Not admitting of compromise or adjustment of differences. Not considering any concessions, even to the detriment of any and all. Not being accessible to flexible bargaining. Unyielding. "Nah-nah you can't make me" (sticks out tongue).
Now, that's political theatre.
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 3, 13 6:01 PM
Hurray!!! Philly is a man that believes in the rule of law. Now we are making progress. Sadly, a lot of illegal immigrants aren't going to like your affinity for the rule of law, Philly. Hello? Hello?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 3, 13 6:25 PM
This stunt should be enough to send the Republicans packing next term.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 3, 13 7:12 PM
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Captain Said "Obama is a petulant man child, the thin skinned divider in chief revels in chaos. What do you think Community Organizing activists are schooled in? It's chaos! Fortunately the majority have the same message when it comes to his signature "accomplishment" ACA"

Warned you about this 3 years ago and here it is with a bow on it.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 3, 13 7:25 PM
TAKEAWAY OF THE DAY: A CBS poll shows that 76% of the American people want Obama to negotiate with the GOP -- something he is refusing to do. The media are collectively covering this poll up, including CBS News. But the media forget that there is a world outside of Morning Joe and that pretending this poll doesn't exist will not make it go away.

" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

Obama/Reid putting up barriers at the memorials.
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 3, 13 7:48 PM
If supply side economics works so well, why do we even need welfare? I mean really, it only blew up the economy twice in less than a century.

Maybe because 95% of the financial gains were accumulated by less than 3 million citizens in the last four years?

That's not class envy, or warfare. It's the product of Oligarchy. This country deposed the Federalists once, and Oligarchy twice. It's time for this generation to do the same. Maybe the third time will be the charm...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 7:52 PM
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Joe, Did you hear Mark today it was very moving

Mark Levin: If You Lay One Hand On WWII Vets, I'll Bring Half A Million People There!
MARK LEVIN: I'm going to tell you folks something. I want to say this loud and clear to the people on Capitol Hill who are listening, to this administration -- you lay one damn hand on one of those World War II vets at that memorial, I'll bring half a million people to that damn memorial! You got that?

I'm sitting here stewing thinking ...more
Oct 3, 13 9:25 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
State Parks should not be closing and there should be no Federal Parks, they should all be State run in the first place
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 3, 13 9:25 PM
I tried to get through "Liberty and Tyranny", but the repetition of the word "statist" was as sophomoric as a third grader using "very" to pad an essay. It really is a pile of skewed statistics, misinformation, and "conservative" propaganda. He was completely in error regarding the mortgage bubble, immigration, influx of diseases, as well as global warming and ocean acidification. Maybe he can help Bill O'Reilly write "Killing the Easter Bunny: A Study in Germanic Paganism". They might make ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 3, 13 11:57 PM
Killing the Easter bunny made me chuckle.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 7:34 AM
Face it Right Wing nuts...you lost on the ACA! Tell your thirty or so Tea baggers to let a vote go to the floor of the House and reopen government.
YOU are hurting America!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Oct 3, 13 9:38 PM
I guess you didnt see Dans takeaway of the day

TAKEAWAY OF THE DAY: A CBS poll shows that 76% of the American people want Obama to negotiate with the GOP -- something he is refusing to do. The media are collectively covering this poll up, including CBS News. But the media forget that there is a world outside of Morning Joe and that pretending this poll doesn't exist will not make it go away.

By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 3, 13 9:56 PM
Mark Levin is an American constitutional lawyer, author, and the host of American syndicated radio show The Mark Levin Show. Levin worked in the administration of President Ronald Reagan and was a chief of staff for Attorney General Edwin Meese

Oh and I forgot to mention... He is the MAN!

Thanks UD I would have missed that one very interesting indeed! It needed to be said and I am glad mark took it on.
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 4, 13 12:21 AM
Remember when you asked me to read "Liberty and Tyranny"? Well, here's my review:

I tried to get through "Liberty and Tyranny", but the repetition of the word "statist" was as sophomoric as a third grader using "very" to pad an essay. It really is a pile of skewed statistics, misinformation, and "conservative" propaganda. He was completely in error regarding the mortgage bubble, immigration, the alleged related influx of diseases, as well as global warming and ocean acidification. Maybe ...more
Oct 4, 13 12:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, is that the same Edwin Meese who was involved with Wedtech?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 12:43 AM
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Amazon reviews. Yeah, there's the tip top of the Rhodes Scholar intellectual marketplace of critical analyses.

Wow, a whole 2.77k reviews out of 300 million people, and the New York Times didn't even bother to review it. The Washington Times did, and bit hook, line, and sinker. His book and his broadcasting doesn't even cite the proper legal precedent for the first decision regarding the separation of church and state. He claims "it was not law" before 1947. In 1879 the Supreme Court ...more
Oct 4, 13 12:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
"in a debate with anyone of merit he has turned down."
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 12:59 PM
Actually, I have him on an audio clip stating that "it was not law" before 1947 on his radio show. That's why I said "and". Should have been more clear.

If this guy actually explained the difference between a minarchist philosophy, and a totalitarian philosophy I'd probably respect him. However his premise is pretty much absolute, and he considers all aspects of his interpretation of Statism totalitarian. His philosophy of being "conservative" is pretty much anarchy. At least that's ...more
Oct 4, 13 11:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
I can't stress this bit of philosophy enough: “Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions. Where there is an excess of liberty, the effect is the same, tho’ from an opposite cause.” ~ James Madison, 1792
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 11:04 PM
Nice picture, but I stopped buying cassettes in 1990.

The only excess of power we need to deal with right now is unlimited charter, and the corporate influence on our legislative process.

If Mark Levin and the "Tea Party" really wants to apply itself to something worthwhile, try getting rid of unlimited charters, corporate involvement in government, and "borers" a.k.a. lobbyists. The founders did insist on one thing for sure, and that was that corporations were NOT permitted to ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 11:26 AM
The problem is getting them to vote against their own coupled interests.

I don't see that happening without the Republic citizenry demanding it.
Oct 5, 13 3:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.” ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 3:12 PM
And, you do realize that "Dianetics" also sold millions of copies, right?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 1:12 PM
ya I read your review three lines up... So what can I tell you go back to reading what your comfortable with... The Great Unraveling maybe
Oct 4, 13 12:52 AM appended by joe hampton
For Phil maybe i would recomend ... from the series A first look at book "The Skin I'm In" a first look at racism by Pat Thomas
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 4, 13 12:52 AM
A People's History of the United States: 1492 to the present, by Howard Zinn

Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic, by Gordon S. Wood

The Great Derangement: A Terrifying True Story of War, Politics, and Religion at the Twilight of the American Empire, by Matt Taibbi

The Steps to the Supreme Court: A Guided Tour of the American Legal System, by Peter Irons

Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street, ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 1:19 AM
Levin's use of "statist" rivaled only by Phil's use of "Klown kar." One a failed attempt at political commentary, the other a failed attempt at humor.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 7:40 AM
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and it just keeps getting funnier. Say it again! Say it again!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 10:51 AM
So Philly, are you going to take walk down Main street and ask real people about how they feel about the ACA? It may be a good lesson for you. You'd get to see the difference between theory and practice.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 7:51 AM
I just want to post this again, because it sums up the liberal point of view so wonderfully:

You don't have to like it.
You do have to pay for it.
By philathome (6375), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 10:03 AM

Because that's a victory, right? Forcing people to pay more for less is now a victory because we can't do better. Unreal. And our president? He refuses to budge. He's so sure that this the greatest thing since bagels and butter that he doesn't hear a word from anyone that ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 11:27 AM
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President Obama has afforded the 80 Republican House members who represent 18% of the populace and who are determined to throw the federal government into default all the consideration that they deserve.

The most purposeful, effective, rational and principled policy that he can embrace as national leader is to make it clear to these malingerers that they will be ignored unless and until they abandon their destructive ambitions, thereby giving the remaining rational House Republicans the ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 4, 13 12:32 PM
Just say the word and my friends and I are ready to drop everything and ride into DC to show support for these hero's of the Greatest Generation, God bless you all!

WWII Memorial Barricade Wired Shut
On Tuesday morning, seven National Park Service employees were seen erecting and tending to a barricade around the World War II memorial in Washington, D.C. One NPS employee was operating a forklift. There usually aren't any NPS employees working at the World War II memorial.

A ...more
Oct 4, 13 12:35 PM appended by They call me
“It’s a cheap way to deal with the situation,” an angry Park Service Ranger Adam Carbella says of the harassment. “We’ve been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 4, 13 12:35 PM
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Too bad we can't protect our southern border as aggressively as we prevent our citizens from visiting national monuments and memorials.
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 1:03 PM
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So our 90 year old verterans who wait in line to get an honor flight to see there momorial for fighting and dying for your right to free speech is to you somthing "Superficial"

How sad
Oct 4, 13 4:08 PM appended by 27dan
memorial
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 4:08 PM
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Someone define insanity
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 13 4:32 PM
Posting "Klown Kar" over and over again? This is a trick question, isn't it? I stand by my answer.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Oct 4, 13 4:44 PM
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"big shoes" is generally considered a compliment BTW, phil.

You might benefit from a breather here?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 5:56 PM
As in when someone dies, and one remembrance is that there are big shoes to fill . . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 5:57 PM
PhilZman__ You have got to be kidding! What a pitiful excuse for a human being denying WWII vets the opportunity to go to the memorial honoring their service just because your boy Barry and the rest of the Demokratz refuse to sign off on a bill that would fund the National Parks. Time for you to get a real job and quit your internet insanity.
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 4, 13 5:41 PM
Thankfully, they were able to move the barriers so the WWII vets could go in to the plaza.

One very unfortunate consequence of the dysfunctional family in Washington, on BOTH sides of the aisle IMO.

Have a good weekend.

Peace on Earth . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Oct 4, 13 6:06 PM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Oct 4, 13 6:09 PM
bf loves polemics.

Out in cyberspace we moderators refer to a poster who exhibits his behavior as a "hit & run troll".
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 7:01 PM
Speaking of cyberspace, Trend Micro has reported that they have already seen spam targeted to words such as “Medicare,” “enrollment,” and “medical insurance.” The company reports that some of the spam variants appear “professional enough to fool some users into opening the email and clicking the links in these messages.” The type and amount of personal information gathered is irresistible to an identity thief. And it has only just begun.
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 4, 13 7:33 PM
Why would the Obama administration erect physical barriers and rope off the area with caution tape most commonly found at crime scenes?

Common sense gives us an answer: to make WWII veterans and other visitors feel pain from the government shutdown.

You see, every day Honor Flights bring WWII veterans and their families from all over the country to the WWII Memorial. Most of these veterans would never be able to see their memorial otherwise, and most – because of their age ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 5, 13 11:11 AM
And they say I make things too complicated.

I think that it was a fine example of civil disobedience, and I would love to have seen every one of those park rangers defy the order and let people in when the first visitors arrived.

That would have been wonderfully American.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 12:45 PM
Speaking of cyberspace, Trend Micro has reported that they have already seen spam targeted to words such as “Medicare,” “enrollment,” and “medical insurance.” The company reports that some of the spam variants appear “professional enough to fool some users into opening the email and clicking the links in these messages.” The type and amount of personal information gathered is irresistible to an identity thief. And it has only just begun.
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 4, 13 7:19 PM
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You definitely need to keep a sharp eye out. It can be really tough if one is not cyber literate. We still see FBI Moneypak, fake anti-virus programs, Conduit, various Trojans, and rootkits/bootkits are becoming more prevalent. The last variety is fun because they infect the boot sector, not your operating system.

Caution and skepticism are always in order if something looks too good, and always check the sender e-mail address. If it looks like gibberish, leave it be. Never open attachments ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 4, 13 7:47 PM
Go read the blogs out there, the gig is up. People are finally on to this scam. Its falling apart piece by piece, The only ones happy are the Hipsters the Losers and the Illegals. The debt will continue to rise and the middle class will continue to get there hours reduced to 29 a week. We are in the beginning of another free fall, Hang on
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 4, 13 7:40 PM
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Obamacare Website Closed for Repairs This Weekend

Like a flaming Chevy Volt brought back to the shop for repairs, the Obamacare federal health insurance exchange website has now been recalled. The application part of the site, healthcare.gov, will be taken down during off-hours over the weekend, and will be unavailable for public use – which does not truly differentiate it from its current status.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 4, 13 10:26 PM
This Just In *** GALLUP *** OBAMA FALLS TO 41% *** WOW ... Developing ***

In other news *** Phil still says " The recovery is slow / but now blames W " ***


" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

Oct 5, 13 12:01 AM appended by 27dan
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 05 Oct 2013 at 04:05:50 AM GMT is: $ 1 6 , 7 4 9 , 7 8 9 , 7 2 4 , 6 7 1 . 8 2
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 5, 13 12:01 AM
With the ACA insurance exchanges up and running while the imminent collapse of the misguided Republican shutdown is awaited by all, right-wing extremist True Believers are reduced to caterwauling about trivia as if it were portentous.

The insurance exchange websites will be taken off-line for a few hours in the a.m. this weekend to correct glitches. OH, NO!

Only 41% approve of the president's performance. HORRORS!

As everyone knows, these phenomena don't mean a thing. ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 5, 13 1:19 AM
When you start with a comment like the exchanges are up and running, you lose credibility and the text after that statement won't be taken seriously.
By BiListren (7), East Hampton on Oct 5, 13 7:55 AM
I don't know how much you know about website construction, servers, and function but there is a reason hackers use a DDOS style attack. What such an attack does is overwhelm the server's ability to handle internet traffic/data input, similar to an electrical overload or traffic coming to a dead stop.

It seems that many of the servers were overwhelmed by the massive amount of incoming users They also may be linking to older style legacy databases for information On top of that, you have ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 10:14 AM
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Even in the midst of all your linguistic katzenjammer you pompous nature is comical
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 5, 13 10:50 AM
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Just before the weekend, the National Park Service informed charter boat captains in Florida that the Florida Bay was "closed" due to the shutdown. Until government funding is restored, the fishing boats are prohibited from taking anglers into 1,100 square-miles of open ocean. Fishing is also prohibited at Biscayne National Park during the shutdown.
The Park Service will also have rangers on duty to police the ban. Of access to an ocean. The government will probably use more personnel and spend ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 5, 13 11:05 AM
Z@home Said

"Doesn't going to the hospital without insurance already "redistribute" that cost to the rest of us?"

Aha now we are getting down to the real question, The answer is yes, and we are all fine with that , because that is by definition an emergency that is why they call it an emergency room.and every one should receive care in an emergency.

But what the progressives want is access to the stuff other people earn and pay out of pocket for,

Preventative ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 5, 13 11:53 AM
Cap America - You must be short. The showers and ovens thing seems to have gone right over your head.
By bird (817), Southampton on Oct 5, 13 3:20 PM
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By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 5, 13 1:10 PM
Listen, this is the LAST time I will address the subject.

Unless you match our IP addresses and have clear and concise evidence "philathome" and I are the same person, just let it go.

You really do look like horses' a***s...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 3:03 PM
PhilZ, shower and ovens Lollll whata pissa
Oct 5, 13 3:39 PM appended by They call me
Unless you match our IP addresses and have clear and concise evidence "philathome" and I are the same person, just let it go. Whats a matter upset we figured out your little good cop, bad cop puppet show? Come on no one could be as ignorant as your alter ego Mr Z, but you gave it a great run I will give you that. lol
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 5, 13 3:39 PM
Hey Todd and Bill can we get a ruling?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 4:02 PM
I noticed the same thing a while back, but chose not to say anything. I especially like the way the two characters ran neck and neck up to about 4500 comments.

Back then they were always within 5 or 10 comments of each other yet far ahead of everyone else,

Until one day that guy " This Just In " who no longer seems to posts. Called them/him out on it. Shortly after that point the Mr Z character let the P@Home Character run out front for awhile creating a more believable buffer ...more
Oct 5, 13 4:33 PM appended by joe hampton
"in which to hang Itself by", sorry, Dam Glenlivet
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 5, 13 4:33 PM
Good luck with that.

I hope you understand what "ninja posting" is...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 4:44 PM
no tell me?
Oct 5, 13 4:45 PM appended by Erin 27 E
never mind mr z i just looked it up. still not sure if i understand but i looked it up.
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 5, 13 4:45 PM
"The cupboard is bare. There's no more cuts to make." That's what Nancy Pelosi told the country right before the government shutdown.
This past week, the Department of Veterans Affairs bought $562,000 worth of artwork.
In a single day, the Agriculture Department spent $144,000 on toner cartridges.
In a single purchase, the Coast Guard spent $178,000 on “Cubicle Furniture Rehab.”
The Federal Bureau of Land Management paid $98,670 for an outhouse in Alaska
President ...more
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 5, 13 4:11 PM
to They call me:

Like being dashed in the face with ice water, the argument of stone-hearted psychopaths that the poor should be deprived of health care (and food) for the good of their character never ceases to shock.
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 5, 13 4:36 PM
dats correct hihat , they are going to have to pay en dats the end of the story.


Yes we did !
By local 84 (343), riverhead on Oct 6, 13 12:18 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that highhatsize, just that the poor do not need to have air conditioning when fans get the job done.
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 5, 13 4:43 PM
Wow.

"What’s happening now, as I understand it, is when moderate Republicans are saying that, or thinking about standing up to Boehner, the extreme right wing is coming around saying you do that, let me tell you what’s going to happen. We have the Koch brothers behind us. We have hundreds of millions of dollars behind us, and if you dare to support a Continuing Resolution, a clean CR. We’re gonna' primary you. We have unbelievable sums of money to defeat you. So what you ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 5:19 PM
Relax... I am just trying to flush you out, But I have to admit It has crossed my mind more than once if you are the same person.and what I said in my post about you being neck and neck till 4500 is true

And no I was not part of that false name thing you speak of.

And PS Bernie Sanders is a radical
Oct 5, 13 6:40 PM appended by joe hampton
and that guy "This Just In " was the first one to suggest it. And I do have a screen shot of you saying something that after red inked was said almost verbatim by Z and it did make me wonder
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 5, 13 6:40 PM
uh no
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 6, 13 12:42 AM
Still no reasonable defense of the Demoratz and Barry Soetoro not agreeing to bills funding the National Parks, National guard and WIC. Absolutely disgusting, what say you PhilZ?
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 5, 13 7:47 PM
Drive by troll alert.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 5, 13 9:26 PM
The best part of the govt shutdown is the goverment is going to give back pay to all layed off employees. What the hell are they trying to prove.
By chief1 (2770), southampton on Oct 5, 13 10:15 PM
Goverment workers aren't victims. They are getting a paid vacation
By chief1 (2770), southampton on Oct 6, 13 7:34 AM
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NOW

NYT reporter: Obama admin “most closed, control-freak administration I’ve ever covered”
posted at 1:01 pm on October 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

THEN ???


Transparency and Open Government
Memorandum for the Heads of Executive Departments and Agencies

SUBJECT: Transparency and Open Government

My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:44 AM
"The Trees"


There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

There is trouble ...more
By joe hampton (3396), south hampton on Oct 6, 13 12:45 AM
Big money goes around the world
Big money underground
Big money got a mighty voice
Big money make no sound
Big money pull a million strings
Big money hold the prize
Big money weave a mighty web
Big money draw the flies

Sometimes pushing people around
Sometimes pulling out the rug
Sometimes pushing all the buttons
Sometimes pulling out the plug
It's the power and the glory
It's a war in paradise
It's a Cinderella story
...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 12:56 AM
“The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerated the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than the democratic state itself. That in its essence is fascism: ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power.”

~ Franklin Delano Roosevelt
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 12:57 AM
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By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 6, 13 10:24 AM
Yes, war is an ugly business no one actually wins.

Things you don't learn about the American Revolution are the mutinies, drumhead trials, soldiers poorly paid or not paid at all, officers receiving preferential treatment for food and clothing, and yes executions.

To quote Smedley Butler, "war is a racket".
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 10:56 AM
A real soldier dose not need to be paid,

In what anyway your fiat currency?

" The recovery is slow " By philathome (6264), Southampton on Sep 25, 6:06 PM

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 05 Oct 2013 at 04:05:50 AM GMT

is: $ 1 6 , 7 4 9 , 7 8 9 , 7 2 4 , 6 7 1 . 8 2
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:10 AM
Tell that to their spouses and children who need a roof and hot meals dan.

Please start brain before putting mouth in gear...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 11:48 AM
Sux fo you they call me
By local 84 (343), riverhead on Oct 6, 13 12:15 PM
Another big government hack
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 6, 13 6:27 AM
Drive by troll alert.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 10:52 AM
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Oh look at that someone at the SH Press didn't like me calling FDR a socialist
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:01 AM
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isn't it funny, how you see him as a Nazi and some see him as a patriot
By 27dan (2776), Southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:12 AM
i for one would like to hear your definition of a nazi? because i perceive a nazi to be for a centralized government held together by terror. and wouldn't fdr be the father of your movement in which power is also centralized in a federal government.

and isnt your oppoisition on this thread for a de centralized goverment since they favor the 10th amendment protected by the 2nd ?

but what do i know i guess ~giggle~
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:26 AM
It is not some much that z@home posts at the same times that is telling.

Its how they/he don't post at the same time, That I find to be,

shall we say interesting
Oct 6, 13 11:59 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
go back and look at the last grouping of there/his posts P@home 10:58 11:02 11:04 11:15 and Mr Z 10:52 10:56 11:48 mayby thay call each other to say I will meet you on 27 east now!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 6, 13 11:59 AM
Fox News takes bait on National Report article about International Muslim Museum of Culture, and proves once again sensationalism and polemics more important than fact checking and journalistic integrity.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 1:16 PM
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i see phillip was back since he gave himself a thumbs up yet decided not to respond to my question, guess my qestion must have been stupid.
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Oct 6, 13 6:35 PM
"Hey, look at my thumb..."
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 6, 13 7:31 PM
Tim Bishop's statement about the shut-down being avoidable and a matter of politics was itself avoidable and a matter of politics.
By Observannt (4), southampton on Oct 7, 13 4:20 PM
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"THE VOTES ARE THERE ...
... but not the will
A CNN survey finds there are enough House votes to end the partial
government shutdown, but Speaker Boehner won't set a vote." - CNN.

Quelle surprise! Despite the ludicrous right-wing assertions that the President and Senate Majority Leader are somehow at fault, this article places the blame for the continuing government shutdown firmly on the shoulders of the House Republicans and, specifically, Speaker Boehner. If the Speaker ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 8, 13 12:13 PM
Hold fast Congress, hold fast!
By bigfresh (4548), north sea on Oct 8, 13 5:02 PM
bigfresh, you are like the child who continually sticks his finger in the outlet just to see if you'll still get shocked. Thank you for your continued support of the democratic party!
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Oct 11, 13 8:27 AM
Every cloud has its sliver lining. The upside of the teparty terrorists failed attempt to destroy our democracy is that their grenade has exploded in their hands.

Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are in hiding. Gallup and Wall Street Journal show that not only has this hostage crisis destroyed the republican party, but it has made the popularity of Obamacare soar by 7% in one month!

President Obama has played these fools like a cheap violin and paved the way for a Democratic Party takeover ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on Oct 11, 13 8:26 AM
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