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Jun 1, 2011 3:50 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Bishop Explains Vote Against Debt Ceiling Increase

Jun 6, 2011 4:03 PM

Dismissing the legislation as political “theater,” U.S. Representative Tim Bishop voted last week against increasing America’s debt ceiling.

The legislation, which was defeated by a vote of 318-97 in the House of Representatives on May 31, would have increased the nation’s legal borrowing limit without any accompanying measures to increase revenue or cut spending. It was introduced by Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp, a Republican from Michigan, who immediately urged other legislators to join him in voting against it.

“Theater belongs on Broadway, not the House floor,” Mr. Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, said in a press release issued last week. “It’s juvenile when the House leadership is engaging in political stunts while slipping a note under the desk to their friends on Wall Street.”

He added, “When they want to engage in a serious bipartisan discussion to move our nation forward, I will gladly participate.”

Mr. Bishop said he believes the best way to close the budget deficit is to focus on creating jobs and expanding the economy, adding, “After five months, the House Republican leadership has not offered one piece of legislation to create jobs.”

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Anyone else think that "political theater" is an oxymoron!?
Jun 1, 11 4:59 PM appended by kaluss
no, change that...what I was trying to say is that it is redundant. yes, that's it!
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 1, 11 4:59 PM
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Good on you, Mr. Bishop.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jun 1, 11 5:14 PM
give hell Tim, thats what they are giving us!
By lo-cal (47), southampton on Jun 1, 11 6:10 PM
If he votes not to raise the debt limit when it really counts, I will vote for him, if not, no way!
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Jun 1, 11 6:15 PM
Your'e a fool Bishop. Since when is creating jobs the role of the federal government? Oh yeah - you're a bleeding hear liberal. How about cutting some of the entitlement programs that you're kind dole out, or stop sending billions in aid to countries that don't respect us? Stop funding a welfare nation and leave the job creation to real businessman and capitalism. The only theatre here is your incompetence and relentless bs. Can't wait till your gone in '12
By taxpayer61 (3), Hampton Bays on Jun 1, 11 7:51 PM
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Taxpayer61: What cave have you been hiding under? You don't think the federal gov't should enact policies to stimulate job creation?
You are a slave to a misinterpretation of Adam Smith's principles. Smith was above all else a "moral philosopher", and a political economist second, concerned about the welfare of all, who supported individual initiative to achieve that overall welfare!

The Conservative economic god Milton Friedman, advocated monetary policies (a government role) ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Jun 3, 11 2:41 AM
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are you serious about this? you couldn't be more wrong. the stuff of headlines isn't always the real story. there has not been a reimbursement by the auto industry, it continues to bleed money and the tax cuts have not hurt at all. Free loading? The top 20% of earners pay 85% of the taxes. the top 1% of earners pay significantly more that the lower 95% of earners. and the roles of dems and republicans have changed drastically over the years so for common sense to drudge up old history book ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 11, 11 7:54 AM
well, then there is no convincing you and i wish you good luck. as for me, i'll rest comfortably in my knowledge that these evil wealthy people are the folks that hire the workers. and when the economy is as uncertain as it has been with no positive prospects, evil employers learn to get the job done with as little staff as possible. as for the auto companies, of the $63 Billion that they received, about 10% was in the form of ''loans''. yes, $53 Billion is chump change in this era but when i ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 13, 11 6:14 AM
You are an outstanding representative, Congressman Bishop. Thank you for the outstanding representation you are providing for NY-1. I am glad that you are keeping your wits about you and making the right choices during this time of anger and misinformation.
















By SHNative (554), Southampton on Jun 1, 11 8:35 PM
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explain to the rest of us how to create jobs- please how with detaills
By slowgo (1), montauk on Jun 2, 11 12:42 AM

The facts: The last months of W Bush and the first few months of Obama, the country was hemmoraghing 600-650,000 jobs a month. Public information.

The past year or so, the country has been creating 100-250K jobs a month a swing of about 700-850k jobs a month. Public information. No spin, no BS.
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Jun 3, 11 2:50 AM
Ha! Talk about political theater! Timmy is very efficient when on the attack but offers no solutions of his own. It's true that the repubs have controlled the house for the last 5 months but the dems have controlled the house and senate for the last 6 years.
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Jun 2, 11 6:06 AM
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Get the government off the backs of business by lowering corporate tax rates, end Obamacare which will force layoffs due to increased medical insurance costs, for starters. Crack down on the illegals in our country and deport them every time they surface in the system, be it at the hospital, schools or any police interaction, less illegals = more jobs for Americans.
Lower the tax rates for small businesses, less money confiscated by the government allows mor new hires.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Jun 2, 11 6:11 AM
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"Get the government off the backs of business by lowering corporate tax rates"

CAUTION: TRICK QUESTIONS AHEAD!

Exactly how much less do you think companies like General Electric SHOULD be paying?

And how many new jobs have companies in GE's situation provided in the last ten years?
By VOS (1022), WHB on Jun 2, 11 12:04 PM
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the only thing that matters at this point is getting the economy stronger. the politicians have NO answer for how to do that- it would start with relinquishing power. until the citizenry assert their primacy over the politicians so that they step aside and adopt a role of supporting us non-politicians in our pursuit of life, liberty and happiness then they will continue to fail miserably at their charge. it is a fact that the policies that tim has supported up to now have not helped the economy. ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 2, 11 7:09 AM
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The republicans already have the jobs: IN CHINA! They ship our jobs overseas and then blame the workers for being lazy.
By artizt101 (28), Hampton Bays on Jun 2, 11 8:29 AM
what does that mean? how does one of the political parties ship our jobs to china? if anything, both parties have depended all too much on china...but all this talk about shipping jobs to other countries is baffling...never understood what that means. i get a firm that assists in outsourcing. not so sure that is as bad as everyone says it is. but that's tangible. how is anyone particularly responsible for shipping jobs out of the us as we hear so often?
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 2, 11 9:14 AM

Kaluss: Here's how the Congressional Republicans ship jobs out to benefit their natural constituencies who fund their elections, (the Koch Bros, spent $2+ Billions to fund the Tea Party movement which is undisputed), the ruling class of multinational firms and the very wealthy Americans who have been benefitting from the massive wealth transfer of tax cuts for the very wealthy since Reagan's time.

Multinationals are all about maximizing profits to increase their stock prices and thus ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Jun 4, 11 2:21 AM
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Actual, and factual.

Many parallels exist between the "Great Depression", and the "Great Recession".

One MAJOR parallel then, and now was Goldman Sachs. Believe it.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Jun 13, 11 7:45 PM
"The New Frontier is here, whether we seek it, or not."

~ John F. Kennedy
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Jun 3, 11 12:20 AM
thank you common sense. unfortunately you have jumped on so many myths that i wouldn't know where to start. but consumer purchases is nowhere near 70% as is stated in the nyt and elsewhere. that is part of this effort to blame the poor economy on the little guy for not spending enough. that 70% includes every penny spent on Medicare and lots of other government programs which all fall under ''consumption'' and even includes money spent on building highways. real pocketbook spending is closer ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 6, 11 11:52 AM

Kaluss: "but consumer purchases is nowhere near 70% as is stated in the nyt and elsewhere."

With all due respect to you, I have a graduate degree in Macroeconomics from one of the top ten Economics universities in the world and you are redefining macroeconomics measurement and terms. I can cite a million sources indicating you're absolutely wrong but here's a short, succinct one from a credible independent source analyzing the four macroeconomic sectors from an Expenditure viewpoint ...more
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Jun 7, 11 6:10 AM
Ask five economists and you'll get five different answers - six if one went to Harvard!

numbers can be mixed around and coughed up to prove anyone's point. i stand by each and every one of my statements as you do yours. your errors even in this response are immense, including me having no macroecomics training. but my degree is in something with less artistic freedom that macroeconomics.. which is the ''big picture''. by definition, this does not support your assertion that your education ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 7, 11 6:26 PM

Kaluss: This is exactly where the training or lack thereof comes in.
In the former comment, I was discussing a SECTOR. In the latter, I was talking about an industry; specifically, say the hedge fund industry. Would I argue that manufacturing jobs as a specific industry on average would produce higher paying jobs than the hedge fund industry as I had indicated in my previous post.

I think not. and rest my case.
By Common Sense (56), Southampton on Jun 10, 11 1:54 AM
fine, rest your case. when i was a kid, i learned ''sometimes you don't know what you don't know''. it applies here. macro economics specifically excludes the drilling down to the level of a ''sector'' or an ''industry''. and, you couldn't be more incorrect about hedge fund managers being the highest average salaries in the country. i can't take this anymore, i'm bailing and you can have the last word...hedge funds managers aren't even in the top 20 income earners in 2010. sure, you see some ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 10, 11 6:31 AM
"And so many of these obscenely profitable American multinationals lobby the Congressional Republicans to create 1001 loopholes so they don't have to pay US taxes on any of those obscene profits that have cost many Americans their jobs, like General Electric, one of the most profitable American companies who have paid no taxes in the last three years."

General Electric is a great example is definately the poster child for coprorate tax avoidance and job outsourcing. No doubt about it, you ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 11 12:32 PM
In the last 3 years:

-GE has donated far more money to the Democrats than Republicans.

-GE's CEO Immelt was appointed Jobs Czar (!!!) by Obama. (as an aside, you hypocrits railing against Altschuler should keep your mouths shut. You have NO problem with your president appointing this collosus of an outsourcer to lead the effort to create jobs).

-GE has lobbied in favor of every major Democrat piece of legistlation, including Obamacare, all of which funnel money back to ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 11 12:45 PM
And GE can thank the republicans for allowing them to pay no taxes.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 6, 11 1:17 PM
Realityfirst cannot swallow the truth because he's got a freaking teabag lodged in his throat.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 6, 11 1:17 PM
Razza,

Please enlighten us as to how GE paid no taxes because of Republicans.

If that's true, why all the support from GE for Democrats?

Why was the CEO of GE appointed by a Democrat president to lead a committee in the White House?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 11 4:45 PM
Well, it's been a week and you still can't answer.

...and you blather on and on about other people's inability to grasp reality.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 5:31 PM
razza5351, evidently you don't like teabaggers...but that would mean that you have a strong affinity for weiner. fine, to each his own...but if we can do away with that kind of anonymous bullying on this site, it might become even more entertaining that it already is. guaranteed you aren't getting the kind of reaction you want when people read that comment.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 6, 11 4:23 PM
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Don't worry kaluss, he's not getting away with anything.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 6, 11 4:47 PM
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You had better believe I hate the baggers. All of America hates these lunatics that account for a miniscule 13% of the entire population. The baggers have used up their 15 minutes - just like they did in '94. Anyone who would follow Dick Armey and the Koch Brothers is as intellectually challenged as Palin. Teabaggers, Dick Army, Koch brothers - hey, I see a pattern there! HAHA! As for Weiner, love him.

By the way, your response and that of Realitylast are exactly what I was looking ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 13, 11 4:51 PM
Have you called in any more false reports to law enforcement?

It's astoninshing that you would try to destroy someones life because you disagree with them politically.

If you'd go that far, where does it end? Are you going to set some "baggers" house on fire? Maybe you'd get lucky and kill their children too.



By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 5:19 PM
Do your lunatic ramblings make sense to anyone but you? "set someone's house on fire" "kill their children"?! So disagreeing with your teabaggery makes me an arsonist murder? Seek help, dude.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 13, 11 6:52 PM
Phil,

You've publically bragged about seeking vengance on a supervisor by filing a false report against them to Homeland Security.

I was told you worked at a school, and couldn't believe a teacher could be A) Be so evil as to try to hurt someone like that & B) So stupid to brag about it in public.

Now, I've been informed that you're just a low level aide, but that a cross check of your posts with your work schedule shows you've been doing this on the taxpayers (who don't ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 7:09 PM
Wow, that's a lot of typos phil, are you upset?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 7:29 PM
Oh, and a as far as "dangerous", you have nothing to fear from me. I'll just let the legal process run it's course.

Had you been a bit more law abiding (or didn't have such a big mouth) you wouldn't be stressing so much right now.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 7:31 PM
Personally, Captn, I think phils post about filing that fake report was bravado (he's actually made quite a few in the same vein). Ed Schultz's forum seemed to be a haven for leftist lunatics making veiled and not so veiled threats against conservatives. He was probobly trying to fit in.

The problem for him is that after all his pronouncements about conservative "liars", it's kind of hard to back off of now.

He's either a liar or a criminal who's hatred for conservatives has spilled ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 7:44 PM
I'm not a moderator on this website, but in my experience this is getting a little out of hand, people.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Jun 13, 11 8:03 PM
Wow, I do not know Phil, but I can certainly say that for captn america and realityfirst to be making these types of allegations against someone on an anonymous news blog is beyond despicable. This is such disgustingly inappropriate behavior that these users should be banned from commenting.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 13, 11 8:26 PM
philathome - "I don't hate anybody"

philathome - "You had better believe I hate the baggers."

Phil, there seem to be two people who live in your head. You'd better warn the guy who doesn't "hate anybody" to look out for that other nut.

I'll tell you what phil, I'll refrain from name calling and ad hominem insults, if you promise to do the same. Some civil debate around here would be a relief.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 8:31 PM
A leftist who only sees "despicable behavior" on one side and they must be silenced, what a surprise.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 8:34 PM
The above comment was directed a progressnow. Interesting you don't find what phil claimed to do to a former supervisor as "despicable".
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 8:35 PM
The post clearly stated that a report the DHS was made following the fraudulant subscription. You're starting to sound like weiner.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 8:37 PM
I did. If you really, REALLY want to keep going I'll post the exact quote again. See post above at 8:31 for my analysis of your behavior.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 9:06 PM
You want hypocrisy? Where are all the anti-war protesters now? How many are we in now 4, 5? I've lost count.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 9:44 PM
Phil, you are arguing with someone who is clearly mentally unstable. I cannot believe that the moderators have let his comments stand, but, if he really does know who you are, you should stop engaging him because there is something very frightening about what he's been posting.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 13, 11 9:44 PM
You're correct. You did not say that and I inadvertantly attributed that post to you.

I sincerely apoligize, it was an accident and the result of reading a little too quickly.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 9:51 PM
Yeah, the result of 2 minutes of googling is really frightening.

Go read the emailed death threats sent to Palin and her family by your fellow progressives if you want to see frightening.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 9:59 PM
I'll quit yanking your chain over the Schultz post.

You've been civil and decency dictates I do the same.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 10:05 PM
Why was the official one banned? (I could guess, seeing the contents of some of the posts that had been there.), but it's not like there aren't worse ones still around.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 10:24 PM
The Palin post wasn't directed at you, but at progressnow.

I appreciate your position, but in my opinion, the Democrats seem to have been taken over by an unholy alliance of the hard left that hates the US, and groups, including mega corporations like GE, that do not have the interests of our country at heart. I miss the "classical liberals" that disappeared from the Dems sometime around Reagans second term.

Despite our differences, I believe the sincerity of your post, and you ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 10:37 PM
I don't know which conservative forums ban liberals for their views. Every one I've ever gone to had plenty of liberals agitating, and posts (from either side) were deleted if they crossed the line, but banning based on viewpoints is not something I have seen on the boards I'm on.

DailyKos and DU however, are not so tolerant of dissent.

Hanging around sites that only reinforce ones preexisting views don't allow you to refine your understanding or find the truth, which is why I'm ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 1:09 PM
I like what you say, progressnow. taking the actions of realityfirst amd the Capn' I would say COWARDS fits the bill.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 15, 11 2:11 PM
Math is like any other language, universal or otherwise.

Anyone can "speak it" with a silver tongue. Who wants to crunch some new numbers?
Jun 13, 11 7:17 PM appended by Mr. Z
OR, a "forked tongue", for that matter...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Jun 13, 11 7:17 PM
How are you "appending" comments? I don't see a button for it on the comments page.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 13, 11 10:13 PM
Thanks for that.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 1:21 PM
Phil, do not know why you are trying to make nice with this lunatic realitylast The dude is a French fry short of a happy meal. He attributed my post to you and then went and posted crazy accusations against you even though my posting was not even directed at him!

By the way, unreality, I DO hate tea baggers. And your comments on arson and child killing and death threats to Palin are the ravings of a mad man. You need to get away from your computer and go seek therapy, dude.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 14, 11 7:48 AM
IT TAKES A MAD MAN TO KNOW A MAD MAN
By They call me (2213), southampton on Jun 14, 11 12:30 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 12:54 PM
at 13% minority that everyone in america already hates, seems like a waste of time. its pretty fascinating to see you upset at two people that clearly disagree, actually be able to have a moment of respectful understanding. and yes, i must be a nut for going against you...go ahead and let me have it...
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 14, 11 8:36 AM
As a progressive democrat I could not be more thrilled at the news!
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 14, 11 9:49 AM
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Dats right Progress you know it. lol, She's just one more corn bread teabagger to tune out.
By local 84 (310), riverhead on Jun 14, 11 12:36 PM
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What does "corn bread" mean exactly?

Would you like here better if she spoke like she was from da projects and had 5 baby daddys instead of a husband?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 12:42 PM
To Kaluss, Speaking of being upset, I dare you not to respond! HAH! Get over yourself.

To Captn Crunch, GO MICHELLE GO! No haters here, bro. By the way, won't Herman be upset that you're cheering for the other nut?

By the way "haters" is so 7th grade.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 14, 11 10:07 AM
its human nature to be angry and filled with hatred about things you fear or don't understand. in this case, it a little of both. if responding is a sign of being upset to you, then to you, it will seem like a big victory! if haters is 7th grade, then captain crunch is 4th grade too don't you think? all smiles bro! thanks dude. hahaha.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 14, 11 11:20 AM
Kaluss, did you hold on to that psychology 101 book from college or are you a practicing therapist trollling for clients?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 15, 11 11:33 AM
#notwinning!
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 15, 11 11:43 AM
Michelle is a wonderful person and I would be happy to see her go all the way! maybe Cain and her could run on the same ticket. Wow that would change the country for the better for SURE!
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jun 14, 11 12:24 PM
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OMG I have a hard time with that one. joe hampton? you defile the name. It certainly has come to a sorry pass when so many people read and listen to only one side of this story. People who do so are shallow and indolent. read fox lovers.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 15, 11 2:20 PM
"Normalization [of gayness] through desensitization. Very effective way to do this with a bunch of second graders is take a picture of 'The Lion King' for instance, and a teacher might say, 'Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?' The message is: 'I'm better at what I do, because I'm gay.'" - Michelle Bachmann

By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jun 14, 11 3:37 PM
Wikipedia lists that quote as coming from an "unreliable source".

The origin seems to be left wing blogs referencing other left wing blogs.

Do you think for yourself or just spread the propaganda fed to you?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 4:16 PM
Realityfirst, what is with you? Seriously, are you just sitting in wait to respond to comments on this thread? Not to mention, if someone else had quoted wikipedia you'd lose your mind. That is a Bachmann quote, you may not like that she said it, but she did and you can find an endless line of sources that have attributed that quote to her.

She also said, ""Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jun 14, 11 4:33 PM
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Subtantiate the quote. Where's the context? You rail against conservatives as being unthinking and stupid when all you're doing is cut and pasting something which may or may not have been said. Is that critical thinking?

How could any rational person draw a conclusion from a snippet?

It's noteworthy that you made it through a post without using epithets though. I promise to treat you with the same consideration.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 4:56 PM
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Phil, you seem to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome

Reality first, I found the same quote you've so adamantly attacked as untrue and I have found the substantiation you so desperately desire. “Normalization (of gayness) through desensitization. Very effective way to do this with a bunch of second graders, is take a picture of “The Lion King” for instance, and a teacher might say, “Do you know that the music for this movie was written by a gay man?” The ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 14, 11 9:19 PM
Do you really think that what I'm asking for is so unreasonable?

If that's an excerpt from her speech, where's the rest? It had to come from somewhere.

I don't know if the quote is accurate or not, but latching onto something with no substantiation just because it mesh's with your own pre existing views isn't critical thinking.

I understand the temptation to do so. It's very comforting to constantly reassure yourself that you're "right". I used to do the same thing. Now ...more
Jun 14, 11 10:55 PM appended by RealityFirst
Peoplefirst should have been progressnow, it's late, and I'm tired.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 14, 11 10:55 PM
She said it, realityfirst. If you would like to see the rest of the speech I suggest you look it up - I gave you the date and the forum in which she made this insane statement of hatred and prejudice and a countless number of verifiable sources have credited this to her.

There is no "context" which would make these completely ludicrous statement acceptable. Rather than asking me to rationalize my "pre existing views" why don't you rationalize yours?

You are defending this woman ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 15, 11 9:02 AM
How do you know she said it? I have searched extensively, and as far as I can tell the text of the speech is nowhere to be found, except for this quote.

There are other quotes that have been circulated about her that turned out to be complete fabrications. Would it bother you if it turns out the quote was a lie?

"Countless verifiable sources" - there isn't a single verifiable source.

As far as the issue related to the comment, frankly, I'm not going to start another 100 ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 15, 11 6:21 PM
' A teacher might say, Do you know that the music for The Loin King was written by a gay man? This statement has no legitimate purpose being posed to 2nd graders...Wouldnt you agree?
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Jun 15, 11 9:18 AM
how did we get from a story about debt ceiling votes to a conversation about cornbread teabaggers and the lion king!? hahahaha.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 15, 11 1:12 PM
Yeah, it is a stretch! The debt ceiling? For years each party has played around with that. But, I can only remember 1999-2000 (surplus) and then onward to the disaster of 2003-2008. We are still paying for the S&L debacle thanks to Neil Bush. So who are we kidding? The important thing now is to dig ourselves out in an honorable way.... not on the backs of the workers, those who are already paying so much more proportionatly speaking. Time for the Republicans to step up and act like sensible adults. ...more
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Jun 15, 11 2:37 PM
I've seen this lie so many times. We never went from being in debt to having a surplus.

On Clinton's inaugural we the United States had a debt of
$4.1 Trillion. When Clinton left office the United States had a debt of $5.7. There was never any "surplus" on our balance sheet.


By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 15, 11 6:32 PM
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we have a very serious situation right here and now and nothing that anyone has done in the past really matters. we need decisive action now. because what is going on out there...or out here...where nancy pelosi's wealth grows by 62% along with the wealth of the ruling class whilst they giggle, play golf and yuk it up with jokes about shovel ready projects not being as shovel ready as they thought. these people aren't just lying to people in the opposite party, they are lying to all of us. we ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 16, 11 8:20 AM
How disingenuous to try to portray our problems in this country as the result of both parties and then to use Nancy Pelosi's name as your example of the "elite's" growing income. With all of the multi-millionaires in congress it is certainly not by chance that you chose to use her as your poster child.

Ms. Pelosi was one of the most effective speakers in the history of the house and she has spent her career fighting for working people. The right has tried to demonize her because she is ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 16, 11 9:15 AM
1. Nancy pelosi chaired the most spendaholic congress ever. She chaired the congress that has added more to the national debt than any other in our history, she has been in charge of one of the most corrupt congress in history yet no real punishment has been dealt and her district is losing at least thousand teacher jobs. she has did a stellar job
2. Isnt Chrysler owned by Daimler which is a german company?
3. Cutting pensions when the pensions are funded is called common sense. Gov Cuomo ...more
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Jun 16, 11 10:12 AM
*gag*
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Jun 16, 11 11:13 AM
Yes, it is often hard to swallow the truth.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 16, 11 11:39 AM
It saddens me to say but it looks like Weiner will resign. I feel so bad for him
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Jun 16, 11 9:53 AM
I'm sorry to see him go too. Damn you democratic leadership for forcing him out.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jun 16, 11 1:27 PM
Hah! All right, reality, good one.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Jun 16, 11 2:17 PM
Remnants, area rugs, rolls in stock