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LIPA Scrambles To Repair Massive Power Outages

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Will James   Aug 30, 2011 4:06 PM
Aug 31, 2011 10:05 AM

Power lines were the biggest casualty of Hurricane Irene, leaving an estimated 523,000 Long Island households without power in what utility officials called one of the worst blows to the electrical grid in the region’s history.

On Wednesday morning, three days after the storm struck, state officials said the Long Island Power Authority crews had restored power to 64 percent of the customers who lost it, leaving about 190,000 still in the dark on Long Island. Workers should be able to restore power to 95 percent of customers by Friday at midnight, they said, leaving only small, localized outages to be repaired over the weekend.

“If our electric system were a person, we just got run over by a truck, and we have to put it back together,” LIPA Chief Operating Officer Michael D. Hervey said at a press conference on Tuesday.

LIPA officials said the South Fork, which sustained tropical storm-force winds in some places, was among the areas with the most damage to power lines from falling trees. On Tuesday, a map of outages on LIPA’s website showed 7,433 customers without power in Southampton Town and 4,008 in East Hampton Town, totalling about 16 percent of households on the South Fork.

One day earlier, Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst estimated that 10,000 of her residents were without power. East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson said about 7,000 residents of his town had no electricity before repairs began.

Mr. Hervey said Hurricane Irene was the second-worst disaster faced by LIPA or its predecessor, the Long Island Lighting Company—behind only Hurricane Gloria in 1985.

The utility had about 2,400 workers making repairs throughout Long Island on Tuesday, and expected another 255 to arrive this week, officials said. Hundreds of the workers were contracted from other states, including Texas, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Florida, and Illinois.

Ms. Throne-Holst and Mr. Wilkinson estimated that 200 workers had been deployed to each of their towns.

LIPA crews performed triage until Tuesday, sometimes by helicopter, identifying about 3,000 sites on the island that needed attention. Early on, crews focused on restoring power to hospitals, nursing homes, storm shelters, fire stations and other “critical facilities,” then moved on to repairing lines that fed the most customers, officials said.

On Tuesday, LIPA officials said that power to all hospitals had been restored, but some other high-priority facilities remained without electricity.

In East Hampton Town on Tuesday, outages were centered on Amagansett, where 1,966 households were without power, and Montauk, where 864 had no electricity, according to LIPA. The northeastern part of Southampton Town appeared to be the hardest hit, with a combined 4,799 customers without power in Noyac, North Sea, Southampton Village and Shinnecock Hills on Tuesday.

Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Tuesday that 528,160 people remained without power statewide.

Some elected officials, under pressure from residents and businesses, cried out for repairs to go faster this week. Ms. Throne-Holst said restoring power to the South Fork was critical as the local economy looked toward Labor Day weekend for a needed tourism—and financial—boost.

“I certainly appreciate all their efforts, but power has been very slow to return, and the idea that it might take another four or five days is unacceptable,” she said in a press release. “There is simply too much at stake for our resort economy.”

“Labor Day is the last profit-generating period of the 2011 summer season,” said State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr. “If power outages extend though the holiday weekend, the economic impacts could be devastating for many of our local businesses.”

State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle said “LIPA gets an ‘F’” for its post-storm response, but also thanked utility workers for their “around-the-clock” work. U.S. Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York called on Federal Emergency Management Agency to identify and recruit more line workers for LIPA, to accelerate repairs.

LIPA officials responded to criticism on Tuesday, saying the pace of electrical system repairs was on par with responses to other disasters throughout the country.

“We are going as quickly as possible,” Mr. Hervey said. “We understand our customers’ frustration, and we ask their patience.”

Mr. Wilkinson defended the utility, saying crews appeared to be working “feverishly” to restore power. “I’m not one to necessarily beat up on these groups during times of emergency, because I realize operationally what a difficult task it is,” he said.

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The tip of a pathetic iceberg which is the result of decades of poor management, lack of capital improvements, piss-poor oversight by each and every municipality on OUR East End. If this Gale (maybe Tropical Storm and certainly NOT a hurricane out here) with it's quite low winds, had hit full force as a Category 2 hurricane in late fall, or as a Nor'easter or blizzard in the winter with ice damage on top of all this mess . . . .

Do we need to fill in the blanks?

By PBR (4364), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 4:50 PM
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I still have not seen one LIPA truck in Hampton Bays. The Sears Bellows Campsite is turning away tourists because they have no power...loss of revenue for our area. I cant wait for the next 'hurricane' Seems like we are going back in techmology!
By STARHAMPTON (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 1, 11 4:22 PM
My power was restored last night (Monday) at 8 pm and I am very, very thankful.
By Mrs.Sea (199), Sag Harbor on Aug 30, 11 4:58 PM
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Mr. Wilkinson should wake up! He is a late-to-the-game apologists for real sloppy work.

No one is criticizing the crews! I saw many trucks from Joplin, Missouri, and I praise these crews for traveling so far to help us out (sorry the company name was initials and I did not catch it). I did NOT see many LIPA trucks between Southampton and East Hampton, including Sag Harbor.

In total I have not seen that many total trucks (the large ones that support high voltage crews) at all. ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 6:06 PM
LIPA is doing their best-they always do. Being able to get customers back online within a week is a remarkable acheivement.
By EastEnd68 (815), Westhampton on Aug 30, 11 6:17 PM
Nonsense, LIPA has failed utterly for decades. They have not put lines underground when they should have. They have not done proper tree and limb pruning when they should have.

Did they have crews out here on Sunday afternoon, paying them overtime? What about the massive pre-loading they did for the storm that threatened a couple of years ago? They had massive pre-staging in place for a storm which never hit. What did that cost.

Did they over-react for Irene by NOT pre-staging ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 6:31 PM
PS -- the work crews do the best they can within the limits set for them by management. Thanks guys for doing your best under difficult work conditions.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 6:32 PM
A week? Really?
By littleplains (305), olde england on Aug 31, 11 12:31 AM
I disagree with LIPA trying to do all its doing. My neighbor is a lineman and wasn't called into work. So once again LIPA is BSing us.....
By The Crow's Nest (39), Red Creek on Aug 30, 11 6:56 PM
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Well, no power again tonight. I now own a rather expensive battery back up for my CPAP machine.

Called the LIPA "customer service line", reported an outage, and HAVE NOT received any return call. Robo, or otherwise.

No, "hey, here's an estimate toward restoration." as promised. No, "hey, it's back on." No messages whatsoever, no real people at the other end. Nothing.

I have to go with PBR's assessment on this one. The storm really was not that bad, and how many trees ...more
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Aug 30, 11 7:42 PM
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Supv. Wilkinson is quoted in another publication:

" Wilkinson said. "I don't have competency to determine the amount of staffing for a storm of this magnitude." "

Well Mr. Supervisor, if you don't have the competency to determine what your town's needs are, what are you doing running EH Town and running for re-election?

An elemental question, eh Watson?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 7:51 PM
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Man, I'm gonna' call you the "Kinison of the Keyboard" on this one!

I heard that's been reserved for me on occasion...
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Aug 30, 11 7:58 PM
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I am very thankful for having never lost power once.
By Sam (252), Westhampton Beach on Aug 30, 11 9:17 PM
Underground lines are susceptible to water, ground movement and it can lead to electricity arcing and melting cable. Seeping water is a huge problem and can causes outtages with heavy rains, not just the occasional wind or downed pole. We might have more outtages, not less. And it might take longer to find and repair the outtage, not less. The lines are also susceptible to corrosion. They are easily cut when work is done i.e. by a backhoe. Overhead lines are easier to fix, but more affected by ...more
By watermill_mike (13), Sag Harbor on Aug 30, 11 9:21 PM
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Great comment from watermill mike!

You sound right and very knowledgable and realistic regarding the whole situation.

Far too many folks out here kvetch no matter what; my power came back on last night and I'm just glad it wasn't worse.
By rickyonmain (9), southampton on Aug 30, 11 10:28 PM
I agree that the crews are working very hard, but it just doesn't make sense. The forecast was for at least a strong cat 1 hurricane, maybe a light two. Everyone was saying the same thing. Six out of eight paths showed it coming for Long Island and NYC. How did they not have crews ready to go out the fternoon after the storm? How did they not have the supplies already stationed where they thought they would be more centrally located. Even if they didn't need the manpower or extra supplies, this ...more
By RKJBS (14), Southampton on Aug 30, 11 10:37 PM
A couple of years ago lipa cut down some trees in Watermill that were underneath and too close to power lines and people went nuts and wanted heads to roll and lawsuits filed and trees replaced and replanted. In other states NO trees are allowed on the side of the street where power lines run. PERIOD. Lilco wasted 5 BILLION dollars building a nuke plant no one wanted, they could have buried a lot of lines with 5 billion dollars. We need common sense to prevail on both sides or we will continue to ...more
By jim (26), hampton bays on Aug 31, 11 12:10 AM
LIPA's trucks must be invisible because I have been roaming since Sunday and haven't spied even one! This storm was meek. Inside Southampton Village, I can count the number of trees fallen on top of wires on my left hand! What a joke! I've never seen such a slow response from LIPA. It's looking more and more like gross incompetence from upper management. Just because LIPA has help from Missouri doesn't necessarily mean those crews are being coordinated properly or have the necessary supplies. ...more
By Zorro (37), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 2:45 AM
we are lucky and got everything back in order by tuesday morning. but there are no trucks from lipa anywhere out east. they are all from out of state. why pay some of the highest per kilowatt per hour rates in the country to a firm that contracts all of the work to someone else? if we are paying lipa shouldn't lipa be out here? glad this wasn't a hurricane, now lipa is estimating 90% completion by this Monday, 8 days after we had a windy day with almost no rain. time to bury the lines and ...more
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 6:24 AM
I am still without power. I did call LIPA to report a huge tree that fell into the power lines & the tree crew LIPA hired (from out-of-state) was there by noon. LIPA was not. I haven't seen one LIPA truck anywhere. To be without power for a week is unreasonable in this day & age. The Town requires that all new developments bury their utility lines, so why can't LIPA start doing it along our major roadways little-by-little?
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (145), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 8:01 AM
I posted a positive comment about LIPA at 6:17pm last night. My power was restored by 7pm to watch the Yankee game. Great job
By EastEnd68 (815), Westhampton on Aug 31, 11 8:17 AM
SURVIVOR HAMPTONS, Day 4 Journal Entries

1. NOTE TO SELF. I think it best to heed the evacuation suggestion during Chicken Little's next event, not so much due to the threat of peril from wind and water, but due to the apparent certainty that LIPA will leave us high and dry.

2. PRODUCT TESTING. Clorox wipes and mouthwash do not make good impromptu bathing products due to the sticky residue they leave behind.

3. THEORY. Body odor causes MADNESS (in more ways than one). ...more
By Q333 (118), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 10:17 AM
In my area, we have not seen a single LIPA truck. We've seen the occasional town of Huntington truck or Suffolk County Police Department vehicles, but as far as we Huntingtonians (and Huntington Stationites) are concerned, nobody I've talked to has seen a single vehicle.

Apparently, LIPA is the "only game in town" and we are their captive consumers. I think they need to be heftily FINED, perhaps that will coax Long Island's most notorious monopoly to be more efficient in delegating tasks ...more
By PowerlessInHuntington (1), Huntington on Aug 31, 11 10:50 AM
We live just off Springs Fireplace Road..sections of Springs-Fireplace all have lights on both sides of our area...but our road is still without power and honestly the neigbhors who run their generators 24/7 are driving us crazy. Unless there's a medical necessity...is it really necessary to run them 24/7? Most neighbors turn them off once in a while, even those with an infant child, who probably need it more than others, have the decency to have a little quiet time in the neighborhood and turn ...more
By ShelleyB (18), East Hampton on Aug 31, 11 12:17 PM
It took this long to get a story up about this? Wow.
By denmark219 (2), Sag Harbor on Aug 31, 11 12:43 PM
As rough as it is to lose power, the organization is also called LIPA - as in Long Island. It's not called Hamptons Power Authority. So while there are about 20,000 customers from Riverhead to Montauk and Riverhead to Orient without power, that's about 10% of the 189,000 without power over ALL of Long Island. There's many without power out there. There are crews working and LIPA certainly wants you back up and running ASAP... after all, they can't bill you for anything if you aren't using their ...more
By watermill_mike (13), Sag Harbor on Aug 31, 11 1:01 PM
are you sure about that? there is no way anyone is going to get a credit or not pay for the days that they had no power. the monthly taxes, fees and base charges will all remain. not only that, but with hawaii being the only state with more expensive power, you are very inaccurate to claim that we deserve less service because we have less people out here. Our price is exactly the same as nassau's and you have every right to demand the the level of service that the THE HIGHEST PRICE in the contiguous ...more
Sep 1, 11 6:34 AM appended by kaluss
well that sounds like quite a bargain, if you don't get anything, you don't have to pay! hahaha. go tell someone who has no power yet that they are being self centered and selfish, i dare you.
By kaluss (113), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 6:34 AM
If the meter is not spinning, your actual KWH usage decreases. Essentially, it will be zero usage on the days you had no power. Charges tied to the KWH are thus reduced. Your bill has Basic Service at around 30 cents per day as a fixed cost for connection to the grid. The PILOTS, Sales Taxes, and Assessments are all factors of the KWH they billed you for. The more KWH you use, the more those fees will be. Therefore, when the power goes out and you do not use power, your KWH will decrease and so ...more
Sep 1, 11 8:26 AM appended by watermill_mike
I neither said you nor anyone without power is "self centered" or "selfish". I did point out that a) if you don't use power, your bill is decreased which is accurate, b) if you are without power, or lost power, it is not fun and pretty much ruins your day/week, c) if you believe LIPA is not "doing anything" you are being shortsighted because they are working on the entire island and not just the Hamptons and d) LI has both a higher cost of living and a higher median income than just about anywhere else (anyone tried to buy a house on LI lately?) and it would make sense we also have the highest electric fees. If you have no power, I certainly empathize because I lost power for 3 days, took cold showers and lost our fridge's contents. I don't know how you extrapolate that into calling you selfish or a personal attack. I think LIPA prefers to have you 100% up and running so they can bill you for their high-priced electric rather than have their crews and subcontractors working to get you up and running.
By watermill_mike (13), Sag Harbor on Sep 1, 11 8:26 AM
Last time I looked at government data, the average per capita income for the last twelve months in Suffolk County was:

$35,062

HOLY S**T, WE'RE ROLLING IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 2, 11 6:27 PM
If you would like to take the median household income (wage earners 15 and up) $82,984 and divide by every man, woman and child, regardless of their ability to work, you get $35,062.

"Per capita income is the mean income computed for every man, woman, and child in a geographic area. It is derived by dividing the total income of all people 15 years old and over in a geographic area by the total population in that area. Note -- income is not collected for people under 15 years old even though ...more
By watermill_mike (13), Sag Harbor on Sep 3, 11 7:35 AM
All of these generators buzzing day & night in my neighborhood are the worse part! Please folks....if you have a noisy generator PLEASE shut it off at a decent hour so the folks who have to sleep with their windows open aren't kept up all night. Same for your rotting food - please take it to the dump or have it picked up so it dosen't sit in the hot sun for days creating a bad stench for your neighbors. We still don't have power in Amagansett. No LIPA trucks in sight. This is wearing thin on everyone ...more
By SisBoomBonacker (89), Hamptons on Aug 31, 11 1:17 PM
Just got power back in beachampton in the Amagansett Dunes..
By FONZSKE! (72), Amagansett on Aug 31, 11 2:18 PM
Rescued in North Sea 2:21 PM!
By Q333 (118), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 3:00 PM
I'm grateful to the crews who worked very hard to get power restored. Mine came back at 6:52pm. Lessons learned - I would throw in LIPA's attempt to update and inform by outage map and then gave up on doing so when they became overwhelmed. Also the promise of a call back they didn't fulfill. I would rather that they get the technology right and not offer it until they know they can manage it. Also I think they need to do a much better job trimming trees during the entire course of the year and inspecting ...more
By sirpoochala (68), Hampton Bays on Aug 31, 11 4:02 PM
I agree with Mr Z, have the same issue with CPAP machine. On LIPA's " critical care medically necessary list. The response from LIPA I got when I was attempting to get an estimate was "all that goes out the window in a natural disaster". We bother with that for what??? It's a farce, I have a generator on the way for the next time. Medical needs are also a priority!!
By sandydog21 (87), Southampton on Aug 31, 11 8:44 PM
I was a resident when Hurricane Gloria hit in '85. It was equivalent to Irene. While it may have arrived at Long Island with wind speeds of 85 mph, the winds died down immediately upon hitting land.

Nevertheless, tens of thousands were without power for a week or so.

The point being, LILCO or LIPA, neither was/is capable of quickly dealing with a real hurricane. If a REAL hurricane like the LI Cannonball ever hits again, folks will be without power for months rather than weeks.

Overhead ...more
By highhatsize (2047), East Quogue on Aug 31, 11 10:42 PM
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The estate section of Southampton Village (Halsey Neck, Coopers Neck, Captains Neck Lanes) finally got there power back on at around 7pm tonight. Jesus are we in trouble when a real storm hits! There are several dozen trucks based out of LIPA Bridgehampton. Why were most of these trucks diverted up west? And then we have to wait for crews from Missouri to show up? Why isn't the Southampton Press covering the unbelievable truth about LIPA's performance during this storm?
By Zorro (37), Southampton on Sep 1, 11 12:47 AM
LIPA is disgraceful. They act as though they don't know that in the northeastern part of the U.S., we sometimes get heavy rain, snow, and wind. Irene was not even a hurricane and LIP proved itself woefully unprepared. Customers suffer the consequences of LIPA's poor planning. And if you try to get any information from them about restoration, all you get is generalities about how they're working on the problem. I guess I shouldn't be surprised: LIPA is expert at keeping people in the dark.
By howardaaron (2), oyster bay on Sep 1, 11 10:43 AM
LIPA is disgraceful. They act as though they don't know that in the northeastern part of the U.S., we sometimes get heavy rain, snow, and wind. Irene was not even a hurricane and LIPA proved itself woefully unprepared. Customers suffer the consequences of LIPA's poor planning. And if you try to get any information from them about restoration, all you get is generalities about how they're working on the problem. I guess I shouldn't be surprised: LIPA is expert at keeping people in the dark.
By howardaaron (2), oyster bay on Sep 1, 11 10:54 AM
I don't believe any of the information coming out LIPA. Today on 92.1,ATH claimed only 30 householdes were out of power in North Sea. I don't believe it. If only we get honest information we could make adequate plans. But to be told that we will be up by Friday not credible.
Also the Town could be more accomodating with the people that are out of power. On Shelter Island, the High School was opened for people to shower and get water. I have heard of no similar initiative here in Southampton. ...more
By V.Tomanoku (599), southampton on Sep 1, 11 1:48 PM
Guess I'm one of those 30 costumers in North Sea still waiting for power...frustrating!!
By greentree (4), North Sea on Sep 1, 11 2:11 PM
Yes You must be at the Library I suppose..lol..
By V.Tomanoku (599), southampton on Sep 1, 11 2:52 PM
We have about 15 amps worth of 120v generator power. We don't let it run overnight unattended. That's basically one refrigerator, a tv, and some fluorescent lights. I'll be building a pretty little soundproof shed in the backyard, and 5000 KVA generator will be housed in it, since it has been proven that even the mildest of the most severe type of storm we can receive is too much for "modern man" to adapt / recover from in less than a business week.

Still waiting for 240...
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 1, 11 3:45 PM
There are scrambling to restore power?
By STARHAMPTON (10), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 1, 11 4:32 PM
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Hmmm, funny - the very same posters who before the storm said things like:

"I'm not going to be waiting for help from anyone, neither the man nor a corporation. i'm confident in my ability to fend for myself now and in the future. if we get hit badly, as you said, I will come to my own aid....the statement 'I wonder who is going to come to our aid' is completely and utterly foreign to me."

Are now amongst the most vociferous in their attacks on LIPA for not coming to their aid ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 2, 11 10:02 AM
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Their glaring hypocrisy has been noted.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Sep 2, 11 10:41 AM
Faux Razza, I guess it's of no importance that the individual you are quoting and attacking hasn't even posted in this thread. The real shameful issue is your disdain for self reliance and how you'll use any opportunity to make some lame political statement,
even in light of the misfortune of others. Yet, you'll also claim to be the compassionate one. THAT"S hypocrisy.
By Captn America (3985), Southampton on Sep 2, 11 11:40 AM
Capt' Crunch, the person I am quoting most certainly HAS posted in this thread, so you owe me an apology for your blatantly false accusation.

I have no disdain for self-reliance, I have disdain for those who proclaim self-reliance to make some lame political statement and then act otherwise. And when did I ever claim to be compassionate?

Glad to see you still care about what I have to say. I am touched. Keep on baggin'!
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 2, 11 11:50 AM
LIPA is a service paid for with private money. Demanding that that service be provided is not an indictment against self reliance nor is it an argument for the socialist cradle to grave nanny state you crave.

Twisted logic and juvenile name calling are all you've got.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 2, 11 1:29 PM
Nope. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200 dollars. One post in 48 hardly qualifies as vociferous and your disdain can be seen by your continued attacks, twisted logic and juvenile name calling (thank you RealityFirst for the keen insight). A righteous sole like yourself can only place them self at the pinnacle of humankind in light of the masses of tea baggery. Noted, as much as I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, you have no compassion. Your disdain extends to republicans, the Tea ...more
Sep 3, 11 2:45 AM appended by Captn America
Hey reality, for the record, I agree to some of your points in your post. But, talk to your boy RazzaBagger who questions others who are demanding that service be provided. Both of you have clearly demonstrated you are champions of the cradle to grave nanny state.
By Captn America (3985), Southampton on Sep 3, 11 2:45 AM
So much for private enterprise being better at providing services.
No one has seen a LIPA truck and many are still without power.But the usual suspects will defend LIPA because it's one of the corporate overlords they worship.
By philathome (8618), Southampton on Sep 3, 11 7:03 AM
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So you refuse to admit you were wrong, eh capt'n bagger? OK, I expected as much. As for my disdain for the teaparty - yep, can't stand what they've done to our country - much in the same way that you hate our president.

Lastly, I love when you guys turn on one another! Did you catch what capt'n crunch wrote? He said that you are a champion of the "nanny state"! You gonna take that? HAH! Love it!
Sep 3, 11 12:59 PM appended by razza5351
Forgot to mention your name, realitylast, when I referred to cap'nclown's attack on you.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 3, 11 12:59 PM
Realitylast, read the quote again, "I'm not going to be waiting for help from anyone, neither the man nor a corporation. . . I will come to my own aid." Crying about LIPA not working fast enough is most DEFINITELY and indictment against self reliance for someone who wrote that little rant.
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 3, 11 1:04 PM
Phil wrote: "So much for private enterprise being better at providing services."

Spoken like a true statist who can't differentiate between the services that government should provide and the political talking points of what liberals want government TO provide. Did someone mention nanny state?
Sep 5, 11 9:06 PM appended by Captn America
Reality, my apologies, I completely misread and misunderstood you post to Faux Razza's nonsense... my bad.
By Captn America (3985), Southampton on Sep 4, 11 9:06 PM
Ah, captain crunch, you must be a professional contortionist they way you twist every argument to suit your wingnut ideology! BY the way, have you given up your social security and medicare yet?
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 5, 11 11:03 AM
You mean like (mis)quoting someone from another thread to suit your liberal divisive and hateful, wingnut agenda, yea, sure. Don't like it, do ya'? You lliberal nut jobs love taking things out of context.

Nope, still have my SS and Medicare and plan to use it since I paid into it by no choice of my own. Had I been given the choice I would have opted out since I will most certainly pay more into it than I will ever see out of it. You have a clear lack of understanding of your enemy ...more
By Captn America (3985), Southampton on Sep 5, 11 12:21 PM
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You have principles?
LOL!
Sep 5, 11 9:15 PM appended by philathome
I'd like to hear about them hen you have a minute.
By philathome (8618), Southampton on Sep 5, 11 9:15 PM
Ten questions for LIPA (and those charged with its oversight):

1) How many LIPA repair people are on the payroll today as opposed to ten or twenty years ago?
2) How many supervisors in the field?
3) How many contract employees (not crews) are working?
4) Who provides their supervision?
5) How is productivity measured for LIPA workers and contract workers?
6) How much was spent on tree trimming in the last five years as opposed to earlier periods? Actually, make that ...more
By VOS (589), WHB on Sep 3, 11 11:20 AM
good questions but how do you get the answers?
By summertime (488), summerfield fl on Sep 3, 11 11:28 AM
Like Lemmings, most of the posters here missed the side of the barn by a long mile in regard to LIPA and National Grid. Although LIPA is an authority, LIPA is NOT accountable to anyone, not even the PSC. Even after the LILCO / LIPA take over, (Bear Sterns sold the bonds and made billions on this deal) Mr. Richard Kissel, along with then Governor Coumo and State Senator Ken lavale and other elected officials, Mr. Kissel the one time consumer advocate sold out the rate payers to allow this new authority, ...more
By rrc1049 (61), Bridgehampton on Sep 3, 11 11:49 AM
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"Quis custodiet, ipsos custodes?"

"Who watches the watchmen?"

I think it's supposed to be us. Or, "We"...
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 8, 11 4:21 PM
Quote of the Week

“Look back over the last hundred years and you’ll see the pattern. During periods when the very rich took home a much smaller proportion of total income — as in the Great Prosperity between 1947 and 1977 — the nation as a whole grew faster and median wages surged.”

~Robert Reich, The Limping Middle Class, New York Times, September 3, 2011
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 8, 11 4:48 PM
Like Lemmings, most of the posters here missed the side of the barn by a long mile in regard to LIPA and National Grid. Although LIPA is an authority, LIPA is NOT accountable to anyone, not even the PSC. Even after the LILCO / LIPA take over, (Bear Sterns sold the bonds and made billions on this deal) Mr. Richard Kissel, along with then Governor Coumo and State Senator Ken lavale and other elected officials, Mr. Kissel the one time consumer advocate sold out the rate payers to allow this new authority, ...more
By rrc1049 (61), Bridgehampton on Sep 3, 11 11:49 AM
to come back and see that for several days now, i have been under razza5351's skin is quite rewarding. you missed the part where I wrote that we were lucky and got power back right away...nonetheless, I was ready for anything. So here's the teaching moment for you. While I am trying to draw attention to the unjustice of a utility that answers to nobody and charges the most expensive prices in the contiguous 48 states - juxtaposed with families with children at 6+ days with no power, you are attacking ...more
By kaluss45 (44), southampton on Sep 5, 11 7:27 PM
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to come back and see that for several days now, i have been under kaluss's skin is quite rewarding. Trying to justify your hypocritical complaints by portraying yourself as a fighter for the people?! Love it!

"I'm not going to be waiting for help from anyone, neither the man nor a corporation. i'm confident in my ability to fend for myself now and in the future. if we get hit badly, as you said, I will come to my own aid....the statement 'I wonder who is going to come to our aid' is completely ...more
By razza5351 (551), East Hampton on Sep 6, 11 2:23 PM
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It's sad when people are still complaining about trees down, lost power for a day or 2. High tides killed my lawn and bushes. Most are pissed at LIPA and It's contracted out workers. 75% of those contractors are from Joplin, Missouri where a TORNADO WIPED OUT THERE TOWN!!!!! Stop complaining because they HAVE NOTHING TO GO BACK TO.......
By 1640sWhaler (55), Sag Harbor/Easthampton on Sep 9, 11 11:42 AM
Six days.

Five really, 'cause Sunday don't count.

The issue is much deeper, and more complex than a simple comparative segue to a massive natural disaster.

It's not about the loss of power, or the effects of the storm, it's about what's behind the curtain from a business standpoint. It's about mismaged infrastructure. Did you look at the cover of NewsDay, on the Wednesday (8/24/11) following the storm?

The utility pole, and transformer that smashed the looked ...more
Sep 10, 11 8:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
"...that smashed the car looked..."
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 10, 11 8:29 PM
And, YES.

I meant "magus".
By Mr. Z (6059), North Sea on Sep 11, 11 3:21 PM
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