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Race For Congressional Seat Warms Up

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Rohma Abbas   Feb 13, 2012 6:55 PM
Feb 14, 2012 4:52 PM
Although Election Day is still nine months away, sparks are already flying between Republicans Randy Altschuler and George Demos, who are vying for Democratic U.S. Representative Tim Bishop’s seat this November.

Mr. Altschuler, a businessman from St. James who lost by a razor thin margin to Mr. Bishop two years ago, announced last week that he was named a “contender” by the National Republican Congressional Committee’s Young Guns program, which aims to boost the campaigns of promising candidates running for Congress. The distinction was given to only 11 Republicans nationwide, said Chris Russell, Mr. Altschuler’s campaign consultant.

Jobs and the economy will be at the forefront of this year’s national election—two issues Mr. Bishop has failed on, said Mr. Russell.

“He’s a creature of Washington,” Mr. Russell said. “He’s presided over the nation’s... more

Here we go again... let's try focusing on the abysmal performance of the incumbent Tim Bishop rather than the political talking points accusing the challenger of outsourcing. For the record, outsourcing has been shown to increase net jobs and GDP and let's not confuse outsourcing with offshoring.
By Mr. Snerdley (44), Southampton on Feb 16, 12 6:53 PM
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Your post brings nothing of substance to the debate; it is sweepingly vague and platitude filled - I would like to know more of what you speak. You have charged "abysmal performance" by Bishop; please tell us specifically what you are talking about.

You talk of outsourcing "talking points" but fail to address the charges that the challenger made a thriving business of contracting with American companies to perform functions overseas that American workers had been performing. Generalities ...more
By VOS (305), WHB on Feb 16, 12 7:23 PM
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Let's also not forget the '04 tax holiday, which is the root reason for the mentioned legislation. Repatriate profits, cut almost 100,000 jobs in America, then expand your foriegn workforce. 92 cents of every repatriated dollar went not to job creation, but to executive compensation. This can be backed up by multiple studies, including a Congressional Subcommittee investigation.

Offshoring, or outsourcing, it's one less job in our home market.
Feb 16, 12 7:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
"but to executive compensation, and flipping the money BACK into offshore tax havens."
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 16, 12 7:41 PM
"Offshoring, or outsourcing, it's one less job in our home market."

Nice try, but extremely short sighted, inaccurate, and not to two completely different things so please don't minimize the distinct differences as Tim Bishop and his boss are guilty of offshoring jobs which removes all aspects of the production process vs. inefficient elements. Outsourcing is clearly unfortunate for those whose jobs are being outsourced. However, with the resulting bump in short-term unemployment, its ...more
Feb 16, 12 9:12 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Tim's abysmal performance: Stimulus funds received for district 1 which cost the tax payers $1.4 million per job. Excellent work Tim!
By Mr. Snerdley (44), Southampton on Feb 16, 12 9:12 PM
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The big picture is that no matter what they save, they'd rather not spend the money on an American worker, when they can get the same labor far cheaper in a foreign market.

If you think that the "money saved" expands anything more than executive compensation, and stock buybacks, and profits stashed in offshore tax havens, I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn you need to see...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 16, 12 9:17 PM
Look at what happened when it was discovered that Apple outsourced work to China-Foxcom had to put nets up around their factory to keep workers from jumping off te roof.
The price of cheap labor.
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 16, 12 9:38 PM
Nothing like wage erosion and job losses in tandem as well.
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 16, 12 9:45 PM
Oh there are many things like wage erosion and job losses in tandem. But what an odd reminiscence
By TianarRob (10), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 2:07 PM
You might think it was derived from "23 things they don't tell you about 'capitalism' " ...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 17, 12 11:21 PM
I foun a definition of the difference between outsourcing and off-shoring-

"Outsourcing is the practice of contracting out of goods or services to a third party. You can outsource IT services anywhere in the world—from Bangalore to Buffalo.

Offshoring refers to the practice of completing work at a non-domestic location, whether by workers at a company's own offshore subsidiary (often called a "captive" center) or by a third-party. When you combine the two—offshore ...more
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 11:35 AM
L'il Tim has been a rubber stamp for the most profligerate spending President in the history of the USA. Combining that with his voting in lockstep with Princess Pelosi while she was speaker rnders him unfit to hold office as a representitive of our district. Has he ever held a real job in the private sector? Does he have any knowledge of fiscal responsibility, has he ever run a business, has ever created ONE job?
By bigfresh (490), north sea on Feb 17, 12 1:33 PM
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Southampton College was a private sector job.
From a quick search-

Southampton College Of Long Island University

Address: 239 Montauk Highway, Southampton, NY, 11968

Phone: (631) 283-4000

Website: Southampton College of Long Island University

Type of college: 4-year private, not-for-profit



By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 1:38 PM
key word is WAS.
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 17, 12 2:02 PM
The statement was that Tim Bishop never held a private sector job.
That was innaccurate,and has been repeated here by the same people for years.It took just a few seconds to prove it wrong;but I'm sure that it will still be repeated with the usul talking points.
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 2:05 PM
Tim bishop worked as a provost for a non profit college that is no longer in existence due to financial ruin. Let's not stretch it Phil. I also loved the guys comment below calling Obama a conservative. Got a good chuckle on that one.
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 18, 12 7:35 AM
You're wrong-it was a private sector job. End of dscussion.

And if Obama was a far left Muslim,he would have rounde up all you right wing nutjobs by now.
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 19, 12 7:36 PM
Not so fast Phil... go figure, you're unable to decipher between public, private and non-profit sectors in the economy...

In economics, the private sector is that part of the economy, sometimes referred to as the citizen sector, which is run by private individuals or groups, usually as a means of enterprise for profit, and is not controlled by the state. By contrast, enterprises that are part of the state are part of the public sector; private, non-profit organizations are regarded as ...more
By Captn America (893), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 2:55 PM
Tim Bishop never held a private sector job.
By TianarRob (10), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 2:07 PM
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By Lets go mets (26), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 4:39 PM
I'm tired of all this hyperbole. Number one, outsourcing is not a crime against humanity. It's a fact of life. It's also not Randy's greatest liability. People see him as an ambitious, Romney-esque guy who came here to buy a congressional seat and is willing to say anything and pander to anyone to get elected. That's all there is to it.

Also, Tim Bishop is not an "abysmal failure" and Obama is not the worst president in history. That's insane. Obama is a conservative - yes, CONSERVATIVE ...more
By Byakuya (1), Westhampton Beach, NY on Feb 17, 12 6:08 PM
GO BISHOP!!!!!!
By SHNative (434), Southampton on Feb 17, 12 7:40 PM
Bishop all the way
By DJ9222 (61), southampton on Feb 17, 12 10:30 PM
ANOTHER press release from the Altschuler camp? Come on, Randy, show that your really want to meet us folks. The "Up With Randy!" 4th of July free barbecue and music festival at Grabeski Airport would be a perfect opportunity to press the flesh and disabuse us of the negative opinions posted above. What could it cost, three months of your income from outsourcing profits?
By highhatsize (1177), East Quogue on Feb 18, 12 2:08 PM
he's outsourcing is nothing compared to Obama using tax payer stimulus money to outsource jobs
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 19, 12 2:03 PM
Got a source for that,or are you mking it up?
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 19, 12 7:41 PM
I do not know how to cut and paste on this site but if you google Schumer outsourcing stimulus you will see tons of articles. The Economyincrisis.org article was particulary good. Their was also a huge special on ABC about it as wellif you are going to blast Randy you should be blasting your messiah as well but we know that will never happen
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 20, 12 7:33 AM
Te article you cite is from June 2009,before the effects of Obama's economic policies too shape;it was released just six months after Obama's election.It doen't support your statement that Obama has outsourced jobs.

Got something more current,like from the last couple of months?
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 8:47 AM
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By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 20, 12 9:28 AM
"I do not know how to cut and paste on this site"

here's how you do it-


Click and hold you're cursor to the left ofwhat you want to copy,then drag it to the end of the sentence or paragraph and let itgo;it will be hi-lited in a blue background.Then right click and you'll get a drop-dwn menu.On that u,left-click 'copy',then go to where you wan to post,open a reply and click your cursor in the repy tab.Then ight-click (and get the drop-deown menu again), find 'paste', and ...more
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 10:56 AM
Apparently, government contracts going to the lowest bidder is no longer capitalism, it's outsourcing.

Too funny...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 20, 12 7:27 PM
Everybody knows that government contracts need to go to contributors to campaigns or contractors with connections....
Remember Dick Cheney?
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 10:40 PM
I am not sure why the link I posted was flagged but I will try and and re post. If you google Schumer Chian outsourcing you will pull up a weatlth of information that pertains to the topic we are discussing. If you want to type in one particular article you can try economyincrisis.org/content/outsourcing-ameicas-stimulus-jobs
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 21, 12 9:57 AM
Nobody has outsourced more jobs overseas and provided more funds to stimulate foreign economies that President Barack Obama. Be educated and find out for yourself. From providing massive defense contracts to Brazil instead of our domestic firms like Boeing to providing $800 Million for the Arab spring countries. When you give funds of that magnitude to foreign competitors, in an attempt to bring wipe out or position in global leadership, it dwarfs anything a private citizen might do with a private ...more
By SharonY (3), East Hampton on Feb 20, 12 7:59 AM
Once again,cite some sources;your opinion is not a reliable source of information.
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 8:48 AM
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Feb 20, 12 11:08 AM appended by TianarRob
Phyl, this is getting to be boring. I may be through with you.
By TianarRob (10), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 11:08 AM
So, capitalism rewarding the lowest bidder no longer suits you?
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 20, 12 7:23 PM
A former congressman says it's hypocritical of President Barack Obama to call on U.S. companies to "insource" jobs while he is choosing to outsource a lucrative government aircraft contract to a foreign company.



The Kansas City Star recently reported that Kansas-based Hawker Beechcraft Corp. filed a lawsuit, forcing the Air Force to halt work on a $354-million contract with a Brazilian company to build a light attack aircraft. The Pentagon awarded the contract to Nevada-based ...more
By TianarRob (10), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 11:11 AM
Hawker-Beechcraft is a Canadian owned company-
"On 26 March 2007, Hawker Beechcraft finalized the purchase of Raytheon Aircraft Company from Raytheon for US$3.3B. Hawker Beechcraft Inc. is a new company formed by the Canadian investment firm Onex Partners and GS Capital Partners, an affiliate of global finance house Goldman Sachs. Today the company is known as Hawker Beechcraft Corporation (HBC).[9]

It has been in deep financial trouble for a number of years,and has been forced to take ...more
By philathome (2420), Southampton on Feb 20, 12 11:58 AM
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Do any of you have the realization that an "idea based" economy is the desired structure of "free market" believers, such as Alan Greenspan?

The "neo-liberals" are wholly responsible for not only the creation of these practices, but are responsible for moving the economy in said direction. They believe that it is a "natural progression", of a post industrial economy. And, they also have no qualms about driving the price of service industry labor through the roof ($100+/hr.), and thereby ...more
Feb 20, 12 2:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
Crap, forgot MBS...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 20, 12 2:11 PM
Z glad to hear you can run the country better than anyone else has previously. Hypotheical...You are now in charge of the US economy. What is your solution for economic Utopia
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 21, 12 9:59 AM
Dow hits 13K. The next bubble is on the way.

More to follow when I can sit down later...
Feb 21, 12 11:54 AM appended by Mr. Z
FYI, "Liar's Poker" is NOT a how-to manual...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 21, 12 11:54 AM
Bear with it, and you might like the end:

The flaw in your arguement is that there can be no "economic Utopia". That defies any understanding of basic human psychology, like the assumption that the market can regulate itself without any oversight, or regulation. Pure anarchy is not possible, because most people who attain power are hardly altruistic, rarely civllly moral, virtuous and scrupulous. If the economic engine known as Wall St. was in any way altruistic any longer, we wouldn't ...more
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 21, 12 7:57 PM
z
1. Im sorry I asked the question
2. I agree with you in regards to derivates
3. Trust me I know your position on the Glass Steagall act.and there are people such has John MCcain who agree with your position. There are also people who disagree. I do feel reinstating the act would be very difficult at best.
4. I disagree on your concept of a well managed welfare state. its impossible
5. In theory I agree with using gold as the standard but am unsure if at this point it would ...more
By razza5350 (1120), East Hampton on Feb 22, 12 7:05 AM
Don't be sorry you asked.

At least you know we are on the same page about some things.

There is no one perfect solution, in an imperfect Union...
By Mr. Z (3080), North Sea on Feb 22, 12 8:12 PM
George Demos would be the better candidate for the Republicans. Unlike Randy, he isn't a carpetbagger, an outsourcer, or a proven loser. Also unlike Randy, he hasn't recently issued statements on birth control that put him in direct opposition to (my guess) 80% of the people in the First District. In that sense, George's negatives are great.
By Turkey Bridge (723), Quiogue on Feb 26, 12 4:41 AM

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