May 15, 2012 6:18 PM
The New York State Assembly approved a measure earlier this month that would make it easier for undocumented immigrants to obtain college scholarships.
The bill, which passed overwhelmingly in the Assembly on May 1 with only six nay votes, would create the Development Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM fund. The fund would be made up of private dollars from donations and doled out by an independent commission, whose members would be appointed by the New York State Legislature and Governor Andrew Cuomo.
The bill would also make it easier for undocumented immigrants to set up a 529 college savings plan, a bank account operated by the state that is designed to help families set aside money for college costs. It would require a tax identification number to establish an... more
The bill, which passed overwhelmingly in the Assembly on May 1 with only six nay votes, would create the Development Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM fund. The fund would be made up of private dollars from donations and doled out by an independent commission, whose members would be appointed by the New York State Legislature and Governor Andrew Cuomo.
The bill would also make it easier for undocumented immigrants to set up a 529 college savings plan, a bank account operated by the state that is designed to help families set aside money for college costs. It would require a tax identification number to establish an... more
Let's see, an illegal worker is allowed to get a Federal Tax ID number. Hmmm.
The tax ID number lets him or her set up a 529 college savings plan, which one assumes shelters the (illegal) income from taxes? Hmmm.
Is it required that those paying the illegal worker file 1099s, and if so are they basically admitting to violations of the immigration and employment laws? Realistically, how many employers/homeowners are going to complete this 1099 ...more paperwork? Hmmm.
What perception does this bill encourage, about our Rule of Law society? Hmmmm.
The basic message seems to be that, as long as you pay us income tax money (and put your money in the bank to earn dollars for the bank), we will look the other way on a host of issues, is it not? Hmmmm
Remember the Golden Rule:
He who has the gold makes the rule!
Have a good weekend.
Is it required that the actual deposits to the 529 college savings plan be correlated to the tax return? Would it be possible to deposit more money in this account than is declared (later) in the tax return? Aren't there certain "firewalls" set up to prevent banks, NYS and the IRS from sharing information?
In other words, does this program set up what looks like a legitimate bank account, which could be used for money laundering? (only to be discovered ...more years later?)
What are the limits on withdrawing the money? Could the entire account be emptied all at once (ignoring the tax/immigration implications of doing so)? Could it be done?
What is wrong with this picture?
I'm sorry that I was born here, played by the rules, paid my taxes and tried to do the right thing. I messed up. Good luck to you.
Sincerely,
Dad.
Oh, wait, is this an election year?
How can enrolling in school while in this country illegally not throw up a red flag, and maybe a bell or whistle to INS, or ICE? We don't have the jobs for kids born here to be gainfully employed after graduation. Underemployed? Sure, I bet you could find minimum wage work in retail somewhere. Stellar use of an advanced degree...
So do you acknowledge that a crime was committed? Everything is based on that. Answer yes and your argument falls apart. Answer no and you have made up your own laws.
Ps. you forgot "illegal" ...more in front of immigrant. Huge difference.
I see that it's an effort to document immigrants and require that they pay taxes,something that appears to be lost on many here-
"It would require a tax identification number to establish an account. A tax ID number is a number the federal government gives to an individual who is not a citizen but is earning income that is taxed, according to New York State Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr."
The ...more law makes no mention of helping illegal immigrants.
As for the legality of educating the children of immigrants,both 'undocumented' and 'illegal',it is federal law that all children must be given an appropriate education. learning to read and write is crucial if e are to maintain a level of literacy in this country. Denying education to a group of people will only increase both illeteracy rates and drive up crime. This bill targets amny who were born here or came here not by choice but because they were brought without regard for their own preference.If we asked them,they more than likely consider themselves as American as you consider yourself,regardless of the label that you and others here assign to them to amplify an anti-immigrant (at all costs) position. I am surprised at the depth of the hatred for immigrants because of the perceived threat that private funds will be used to help them,especially after all the noise we hear made by so many about how it's up to private individuals what they do with their money. That bit of hippocracy reveals more about the depth and breadth of anti-immigrant bias than has been detailed before.
The problems with this bill are many fold;
Encouraging more illegal entry
Undermines national security
Skews the labor market and wages
Makes higher education more expensive and scarce for citizens and their children.
Rampant opportunity for fraud
If it's privately funded why is the state ...more house involved and what is the private source? Why wouldn't a 501-3c do this?
So we will be awarding money and degrees to people who wont give their name to a newspaper reporter. Will they put only their first name on the diploma and their resume?
Lets secure the border and if its impractical to deport everyone lets at least make it uncomfortable those who break the law.
BTW legal immigration isn't serving us so well either.
Only in liberal America could something like this happen.
Phil: I doubt most here have a problem with immigration, it's what made this country great, it's ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION that's causing the problem, wake up!
You demean your own intelligence IMO when you refuse to have a discussion about the TWO classes of students/families benefiting from this PROPOSED bill:
1. immigrants here legally with green cards; and
2. undocumented immigrants.
The various issues, pros and cons, etc. about this proposed legislation simply cannot be discussed intelligently without discussing the two sub-classes SEPARATELY.
Please re-read all of the comments objecting to this ...more bill as being focused solely on sub-class No. 2 -- undocumented immigrants.
Of course the legislature did not use the term "illegal" -- as with most politicians, telling the whole truth is difficult to do, especially in an election year. Shameful pandering to the electorate IMO, echoing comments above.
PS phil, if you cannot confine your comments to ONLY the issues about sub-class No. 2, please explain your unwillingness to do so, as your intelligence and skills of logic and oratory have preceded you (this is not a sarcastic comment). You deserve better from yourself!
Thanks, and have a good weekend.
My reference to the lack of reference to illegals was within the story itself; of course the legislature wouldn't use such language because it needs to convey the message of inclusion because the matter of immigration is not settled,and ...more it is imperative that the inclusion of a group that may become citizens,or at least an accepted group within the mainstream.
The very separation and classification Of such a group creates inequality,in both consideration and in fact. When and if they excell they will be accepted as one of our own,but that is the only circumstances that most here will find acceptable.if any of them are deported and excell,they will become victimized further because they will be embittered by their experience here.
It follows a pattern.
We are here
We are not leaving
We expect special treatment
We demand representation
Representation will demand assistance
We are being treated unfairly and demand litigation
Litigation leads to hiring quotas.
I guarantee it. Heck of a deal this illegal ...more immigration.
Your Ostrich-like "head in the sand" reply ignores many rational distinctions, and (as requested) demonstrates that you are not capable of having an informed discussion on this.
Life is full of inequalities. When a law makes certain behavior illegal (speeding for instance), and another behavior legal (driving within the posted speed limit), it is THE LAW
Life is full of inequalities. When a LAW makes certain behavior illegal (speeding for instance), and another behavior legal (driving within the posted speed limit), it is THE LAW which creates the inequality NOT the labeling (by others) of "Speeder" vs. . . . etc..
In this regard, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS HAVE CHOSEN TO SPEED! THEY HAVE CREATED ANY INEQUALITY PERCEIVED BY YOU, in accordance with existing LAWS. Quite simple in fact, for those ...more willing to discuss things rationally.
You have side-stepped such a rational discussion, and I will defer to your (?) judgment (?) in this regard.
Rant on. And have a good weekend!
The people drawing a line of separation between 'classes' are the ones who actually beleive that we can deport millions of people without creating a huge problem with not only herding them for deportation,but those who will choose to protect them with the intention of exploiting them. That very problem exists now when employers take advantage of immigrants.
As I staed before,we need to offer a path to citizenship-not amnesty,as I'm ...more sure you will label it,but a way for them to earn citizenship through committment and work.
s usual,I see that PBR has taken the popular and easy solution,to side with those who won't think through a roblem and run with the lemmings whose only solution is to find a way to isolate and discriminate against a group.
Sad. I thought you were reasonable;I was wrong.
@Phil:
The problem with us accepting too many people into this country, is we will have an unsustainable population. How many people can we rationally expect to support on this planet, let alone our little chunk of real ...more estate for that matter.
We don't have an unsettled country anymore. There are many countries who don't have "just soli" as part of their immigration policy. In fact, only 20% of the world's countries actually abide by a form of it. I really can't imagine amending lex soli not having an impact on the illegal alien population, as it seems to be a really big loophole.
Someone comes to your front door, you want to know who they are, right?
It's only one word: sanguinis
Maybe "We", should take a vote.
It would remove a big part of the incentive, now wouldn't it.
That and we can't have laws that only apply to some. I don't care if the immigration is coming from Mexico, Guatemala or Quebec, we have to know who is here and control the flow. If that's racist then pigs fly. There is nothing wrong with loving our country and our way of life.
Jus Soli will stand. We won't change the constitution for the convenience of radicals.
And the Mets suck anyway.Don't choke on your own puke,even if you like the taste.
Here is a proposition: Perhaps all non citizen high school graduates should sign up for the military for their path to citizenship.
Observation: The more we offer special acceptances to illegal behavior no matter what the infraction, no ...more matter the skin color, no matter the religion, we divide and anger someone.
the costs of supporting this underground workforce is carried by the taxpayer!
We have high unemployment not all due to illegal immigration, however, no
one has stated the increase in population and the environment! Will not support
college for illegal immigrants until we enforce our laws, namely, Employee-
Verify. We must stop supporting all the costs related to supporting individuals
that ...more have BROKEN THE LAW! It's not OK to receive all the entitlements from
taxpayers. What has been allowed to continue East End is criminal. When
you get at the truth of something that has been hidden away, it must be revealed!
ENFORCE OUR LAWS!
~ New York Times, Andrew Martin, and Andrew W. Lehren (5/12/12)
Quite a hefty price tag for this legislation, eh?
attend meetings and voice your concerns. All citizens should VOTE at all elections!
Retired people welcome.