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May 15, 2012 11:09 AMPublication: The East Hampton Press

School Results: Tuckahoe Is Only District On South Fork To Reject Proposed 2012-13 Budget

May 21, 2012 9:27 AM

UPDATE: 10:20 p.m.

SAG HARBOR: Voters approved the proposed budget, 892-420. Also, the bus proposition, which approves the purchase of six new buses, passed, 851-432. Incumbent School Board members Gregg Schiavoni (1,039 votes) and Walter Wilcoxen (795) held off challenger Tom Gleeson (576) to keep their seats.

UPDATE: 10:05 p.m.

HAMPTON BAYS: Voters easily approved the proposed school budget, 945-393. Two incumbents were unopposed for reelection to the School Board: Chris Garvey (1,072 votes) and Warren Booth (977).

UPDATE: 9:52 p.m.

SPRINGS: The district budget was approved comfortably, 434-139. School Board Vice President John B. Grant, the incumbent, was reelected to another three-year term. He fended off a challenge from Dennis Donatuti. The outcome was 381-153.

SOUTHAMPTON: The proposed budget was approved by voters, 566-260. By similar margins, a proposition for bus fleet replacement using capital reserve funds, the Southampton Historical Museum budget and the Southampton Youth Association budget were approved. The Parrish Art Museum budget was approved by a tighter margin, 496-324. In a close race for two open seats, Andrew Brindle (370 votes) and James Wilson (366) were elected, with Charles Styler (348) and Jacqueline Robinson (140) coming up short. Mr. Brindle will serve a full five-year term, and Mr. Wilson will serve the remaining four years in former School Board member Amy Pierson’s place.

RIVERHEAD: The budget was approved, 1,703-1,061. Two School Board members were unopposed for reelection: Susan Koukounas (1,842 votes) and Thomas Carson (1,678).

UPDATE: 9:40 p.m.

WESTHAMPTON BEACH: Budget passes, 521-300, a margin of 63.5 percent—the supermajority necessary to pierce the state tax levy cap, as the budget does. Gordon Werner defeated Joyce Donneson, 422-352, for a single seat on the School Board.

EASTPORT SOUTH MANOR: The budget was easily approved, 1,015-587. Incumbents Kenneth Cooke (875 votes) and Kevin Gleason (829) retained their seats on the School Board, beating challenger Stevenson Petit (526).

EAST HAMPTON: The proposed budget was approved, 454-109. Two candidates were unopposed for two seats, Liz Pucci (503 votes) and Christina DeSanti (484).

BRIDGEHAMPTON: Voters approved the budget, 109-54, and the Bridgehampton Child Care Center budget also passed, 109-53. In a four-person race for three School Board seats, Lillian Tyree Johnson (128 votes), Doug DeGroot (122) and Ron White (120) were elected, with Gabriella Bria receiving 61 votes.

EAST QUOGUE: Kathryn Tureski, who was running unopposed for her fourth three-year term on the School Board, received 510 votes.

UPDATE: 9:29 p.m.

REMSENBURG-SPEONK: The budget, which pierced the state tax cap, was approved by a margin of 369-226 (62 percent in favor), providing the supermajority of 60 percent required by the cap. Two incumbents ran unopposed for reelection: Kevin Federico (461 votes) and Cecilia Spellman-Frey (455). Proposition 2, authorizing the district to continue sending students on a tuition basis to both Westhampton Beach and Eastport South Manor, was approved by a wide 480-111 margin. Similarly, Proposition 3, which authorizes a one-year contract with the Suffolk Cooperative Library System, setting aside $251,273 so residents can use the Westhampton Beach Free Public Library, was approved, 471-125.

EAST QUOGUE: The budget easily was approved by voters, 437-158.

MONTAUK: Budget approved by voters, 214-68. Kelly White (237 votes) won reelection; she was unopposed.

WAINSCOTT: The budget was approved by a 40-2 margin. Kelly Anderson (32 votes) and David Eagan (27) were unopposed for two seats.

UPDATE: 9:18 p.m.

More results are in:

QUOGUE: School budget passes, 86-15. Dr. Anael Alston, running unopposed, won the lone seat with 85 votes.

SAGAPONACK: School budget passes, 25-1. Joseph Louchheim, unopposed, reelected with 23 votes.

AMAGANSETT: With 72 percent of the vote (252-98), district voters approved the budget, which pierces the state’s 2-percent tax levy cap. A total of 60 percent of votes cast were required to support the budget to approve it. Mary Lownes, the incumbent board member, was reelected, defeating challenger Rona Klopman, 252-81. Also, a proposition to approve a multiyear tuition agreement with East Hampton passed, 264-85. A proposition to levy taxes for the Amagansett Free Library passed, 281-68.

UPDATE: 9:04 p.m.

Tuckahoe School District voters on Tuesday rejected the district’s proposed $17.8 million budget for 2012-13 by a margin of 275-228.

The proposed budget did not pierce the state’s tax levy cap, but it did include a proposed 9.5-percent hike in the tax rate, in part to make up for a significant drop in the district’s overall assessed property value.

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Vote no where budgets pierce the cap. These boards do not get the message.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on May 15, 12 2:51 PM
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True. Make due with the current funds available. End automatic raises, have all district employees contribute 50% of their medical and change the retirement plans to 401ks.
By bigfresh (4045), north sea on May 15, 12 4:31 PM
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That's what the rest of us have to live on. imagine not having to save a penny because at 55 or 60 you will be paid for the rest of your lives. Socialism works until the government runs out of other people's money. There is no more money left the taxpayer has been bled dry.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 15, 12 4:40 PM
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Also how is it allowed in Springs for a school administrator to be on the school board. That is a direct conflict of interest.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 15, 12 4:42 PM
I believe any person can be on a school board so long as they are not an employee of the district.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 15, 12 6:33 PM
Look at WHB budget. The teacher salarys all received increases. Where's the sacrifice? The grounds maintenance also received an increase. I thought the new turf grass was supposed to save in that area. Another waste of tax payer money. Vote no.
By realistic (462), westhampton on May 15, 12 6:42 PM
YOU are expected to make the sacrifice, so shut up and tell your family they'll have to go without because a second grade teacher can't be expected to drive a car more than three years old.

Why do hate the children?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 15, 12 7:35 PM
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Is it a coincidence that the biggest morons in the Hamptons are against public education? I think not. They want everyone to be as miserable and unsuccessful as themselves. Losers.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 15, 12 8:22 PM
Right on witch hazel. I couldn't agree more.
By bubby (236), southampton on May 15, 12 8:38 PM
The spending has to stop my taxes have almost doubled in the last four years . I think everyone should make a fair wage but put teachers contracted work day of 7 hrs over a full year comes out to about 26 hrs a week that is part time . The salaries although high leave it alone . Pay there own insurance like the rest of the world . Start contibtiting to pension for the whole time they work .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 15, 12 8:58 PM
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You obviously flunked English class. If you think teachers work 26 hours a week, you need drug rehabilitation STAT, because you must be on something seriously whacky. Get a grip (and a grammar check!)
By bchgrl83 (52), Westhampton Beach on May 15, 12 10:21 PM
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I have to agree with beach girl. The problem with education cuts is that people wind up with poor grammar and math skills. Your post illustrated this fact beautifully.
By earl (31), springs on May 15, 12 10:48 PM
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If you base it on a year it comes out to 26 hrs. Sorry my grammar is not to your level. Next time I will have one of the 50 people that work for me write it. You should get a grip property tax has a direct effect on home value . Let the taxes keep rising with out of control expenses and your property values will drop . Teachers are over paid . 700 applicants for one job they would just be happy to have a job. The teaching industry is a joke the people that get hired are friends of either someone ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 7:16 AM
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Teachers are actually working for five hours of a day. That's not including preps and lunch. Do they take work home? Some do. Do they come/stay early/late? Some do, most don't. I have worked in five different districts and have seen it myself. Teachers on LI are highly compensated for their work, veteran teachers are ridiculously compensated for their work. If you choose to live off other peoples' hardwork/ taxes, don't complain if you are scrutinized or laid off when people's funds begin to ...more
By jams (127), hampton bays on May 17, 12 9:45 AM
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Five hours a day? Have you ever taught? Rampant stupidity will be the downfall of society.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 17, 12 10:50 AM
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Voters in Tuckahoe got it right !!!
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on May 15, 12 9:26 PM
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Stop blaming teachers all the time I am so tired of people minimizing what I do for a living because I get paid well and get two months in the summer off. Show me a teacher who doesn’t take work home every night or over the summer or who isn’t spending time off thinking of ways to make your children’s education that much better. I am so sick of people acting like just anyone can be a teacher and it’s so easy were over paid right. Only a person who has no idea what it takes ...more
By Crankypants (34), SOUTHAMPTON on May 15, 12 9:34 PM
If you are truly aware of wasteful spending in other areas don't you feel, as a teacher and taxpayer, that you have an obligation to report these things appropriately rather than just whining about them here? Step up and be a responsible citizen, isn't that what you'd teach your students?
By VOS (1155), WHB on May 16, 12 1:11 AM
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First off where was I whining please get over yourself and your rudeness. I was defending our position which I have every right to do. As for your lame comment "dont you have an obligation to report these things" I am going to chalk up your ignorance as someone who has never stepped foot into a school other then to maybe pick your kid up. Go ahead and live in your world of teachers never complain we just keep our mouth shut and collect our huge salaries for working 26 hr weeks !
By Crankypants (34), SOUTHAMPTON on May 16, 12 7:06 AM
700 people apply for a opening I'm sure they would be happy to pay there benefits .its not that were blaming teachers it's that the taxes can't keep going up that is what the 2% cap is for .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 7:21 AM
I am unsure why you think that what you are talking about is somehow exclusive to a teacher. Are you saying that other people don't think of their jobs when they aren't working? Many people work from home, on their own time, especially small business owners. Jobs come with responsibilities and concerns. None of that has to do with the fact that teachers benefits should change to jive with the rest of the worlds. The economy has changed. Insurance companies and benefits have changed. Please ...more
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on May 16, 12 8:33 AM
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EastEnd.... Your attitude confuses me. Why be anti education and kids? In the East End, our taxes are a third of what Western suffolk and Nassau pay for similarly assessed valuations. Why not spend the money on education? The 2% cap is unfair to the schools. The County and Town have other fees which they can raise to keep themselves within the 2% cap. Schools don't have that luxury. Also, teachers usually get a 2-4% salary increase, so down the road, with expected increases in fixed costs, the 2% ...more
By earl (31), springs on May 15, 12 9:34 PM
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Taxes out here SHOULD be less than western Suffolk and Nassau because well paying job opportunities are not as prevalent. You cannot live here and commute into NYC for instance. There are plenty of teachers around who have been using the same lesson plans for 15 years.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 19, 12 6:30 PM
My taxes are less than half of those to the west of us. My school is one of the best on LI. That's a yes vote.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 15, 12 10:00 PM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who realizes this.
By lucky and aware (44), Speonk on May 16, 12 1:57 AM
At 38,000 a student sounds like a bargin.

If you live in remsenburg as I do your taxes have doubled in the last 4 years. We are out pacing western districts and soon we will be the same . Property tax has a direct effect on property value . Bay ave Eastport waterfront house 35,000 taxes property value 1.2 mil . If my taxes double again in the next 4 years I will be at 20,000 . Keep voting yes and the problem is going to compound and then you will have lower property values
Hb high ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 12:08 PM
Earl: Why should anyone get a 2-4% raise every year? That's not the way it works in the private sector, especially not without a YEARLY EVALUATION!
My beef isn't with the teachers alone, the whole education system is an ever growing monstrousity. Make due with the present budget, those who are footing the bill are tapped out.
By bigfresh (4045), north sea on May 16, 12 6:21 AM
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My comments were in regard to finances and the reality of the 2 % cap. I totally agree the tenure/ pay for life (including pension) needs to be addressed and re-evaluated. As a parent of school age kids, my comments reflect the drawbacks of the 2% cap and how it unfairly burdens schools and how by the nature of it and how most teacher contracts call for a yearly increase will eventually cause the schools and kids to suffer because long term cuts will have to be made to teachers ( causing larger ...more
By earl (31), springs on May 16, 12 8:30 AM
I have given up trying to understand those who continue to do nothing but whine and spew hate and jealousy towards teachers and public education. The only thing our nation is going to be "tapped out" of are educated people, if we don't fund our public schools. I'd rather my taxes went to educating our youth than to wasting it on useless wars in the middle east that do nothing to increase our security and do nothing but cost us money and lives of young Americans.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 16, 12 6:58 AM
They hate teachers because they are cowards looking for easy targets. Instead of fighting against corporate give-aways and tax breaks for billionaires they focus their hate on hard-working, middle class Americans because the lazy always reach for the lowest hanging fruit.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 16, 12 8:06 AM
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Why would you think that one thing is exclusive of the other? What does corporate give-aways and tax breaks have to do with the subject, which was the schools?
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on May 16, 12 8:27 AM
Because federal and state money for schools has been cut in order to pay for tax cuts.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 16, 12 8:45 AM
Then how is it possible that per student spending is higher than it's ever been, in real terms?

You really are an intellectually dishonest person.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 16, 12 2:18 PM
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Realityfirst, Per student spending has to do with ALL expenditures in the school. Do you pay more for heating fuel than you did before? So does the school. Do you pay more for food? So does the school. Do you pay more for electricity? So does the school. Do you pay more for transportation? So does the school. Now, take a cut in your salary, as the school has in funding, and tell me if it is even harder to meet your costs.

You are intellectually bankrupt and concerned with nothing ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 17, 12 10:49 AM
It cost between 37,000- 45,000 per student depending the district when does it stop do you know how insane that number is . Teachers are all saying it for the kids but when there fellow teacher gets laid off its all about them if it's for the kids pay some of the benefits and keep the program and your fellow teachers. Chaminde sends more kids to ivy schools then all the public schools in the hamptons and they do it on 10,000 a kid.

FULL-TIME STUDENTS Per Academic Year $38,480.00
Harvard ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 8:36 AM
Check your numbers Remsen - educating students in public schools is more like $15-20,000. Where in the world did you get $45,000 per student?

And you can't compare them to private schools - they have different standards. Teachers in private schools don't need to be NYS licensed teachers. They have people who donate money, they can have other programs to supplement their income like summer camps.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 16, 12 9:13 AM
Check your numbers before you respond next time
Whb. Is 28,769.88
Remsenburg is around 39,000
East quogue is around 39,000
Hb about 25,000

These are published
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 9:46 AM
The latest data I found available is from 2008-2009 and are based on NYS Ed Dept numbers, not the US Census numbers.

WHB: $24,993
Remsenberg: $30,238
East Quogue: $22,715
HB: $22,534
Eastport-South Manor: $18,734
East Hampton: $30,702
Riverhead: $19,232
Sag Harbor: $32,739
Tuckahoe: $31,222

So my estimate was low, I can admit that. But NONE of those numbers are between $37,000 and $45,000. Bridgehampton, Shelter Island and Amagansett are all outliers ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 16, 12 10:12 AM
Those numbers come from New York State and are roughly accurate. For example I get $34,207 for Remsenburg-Speonk 2012-2103. That's up 5% in an environment where wages are increasing around 2%.

I can't post links here or I would. Search for "New York State Property Tax Report Card" and you will find it.

Remsenburg is spending as much per pupil in the elementary school as many top New York City private schools. Special ed spending at Remsenburg is $90K-$100K per pupil and is a ...more
By rburger (78), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 10:26 AM
2008-2009 since then my taxes have doubled
Just look at the budgets that just passed
The smaller schools are between 37,000 and 45,000
I'm not making it up
Bigger schools between 25,000-35,000

Avg cost to educate a kid as per newsday in Suffolk county is a little over 31,000 .
Harvard 38 public school 31 that seems about right
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 10:29 AM
You are comparing apples and oranges. A private college with its own fundraising and endowments cannot be compared with a public school. Sure teachers on the East End are paid above average but say a teacher out here is paid double the national average, houses out here are probably 3-4 times the national average for similar houses. My $750000 house is probably $225000 in Fla, or Pa or Arizona. I'll be the first to say the system is too heavy and needs to be overhauled, in terms of tenure and lifetime ...more
By earl (31), springs on May 16, 12 10:34 AM
You are debating an issue that is out of control if you cant see that I don't know what to say . But my mom was a teacher and my sister is one now and they agree also it's out of control like my sister said who has been teaching for 3 years if I had to pay more into my pension and pay more of my benefits she would still be happy to have the job instead of the 700 other applicant for one position . It's not just teachers it is government spending overall . When I was growing up you took teaching ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 10:37 AM
Public schools are infinitely better funded than private schools and private schools consistently outperform public schools. More spending is not the answer, better spending is. Check the classifieds, private schools are only hiring certified teachers for their staffs. Their salaries are lower, their benefit packages are less but their kids do better. Overcompensation does not make better teachers.
By jams (127), hampton bays on May 17, 12 9:58 AM
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Maybe the 4 golf courses in the Tuckahoe district should pay more in taxes. Iknow they have some kind of preexisting deal for a lower tax rate but when membership costs to some of these private clubs can run a million dollars it might be time to charge them the going rate for the homes that could have been paying taxes on that same property.
By WHALE56 (13), Southampton on May 16, 12 8:59 AM
My property taxes have more than tripled since 1987 when I built my house in 1987.I can tell you for certain that my income has not come close to keeping pace with that sort of increase.I understand that our children deserve the best education but when Tuckahoe is faced with decling property values and more forclosures [plus stagnent wages for most self-employed ] tough decisions must be made .Less people to support the school with less money is obviously not a good combination.Maybe taxpayers ...more
By WHALE56 (13), Southampton on May 16, 12 9:24 AM
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The golf courses are not the problem. As corporations I don't think they have any students in the school and they pay quite a bit.A big problem is the high high school tuition rates that the Southampton and Westhampton school districts charge for Tuckahoe students. It is something that the Tuckahoe board has no control over.
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on May 16, 12 9:39 AM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 16, 12 11:34 AM
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You miss my point. Lets say the golf courses here don't exist and there are sub divisions on the properties. What would be a minimum guess on the added enrollment in the school? 50% ? You would also need a new school . Golf courses should get a break on property taxes as they don't add to the enrollment. They are businesses not residences and should be assessed as such.
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on May 17, 12 8:36 PM
True but to send a kid to Whb it cost approx 20,000
Per student to keep a student in remsenburg is 38,000

Aprox budget 7,000,000 for just remsenburg kids not Whb
With aprox 180 kids There budget is 12,000 with Whb tuition

Whb looks like a deal at 20,000 instead of remsenburg 38,000
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 10:46 AM
I have a 2500 sqr foot home on .75 acre. I have 2 children in Remsenburg Speonk school and my taxes are around $5000 with the new budget. I'm getting the better of the deal. I think the avg pay of the teachers in the district is around $57,000.
The most important thing is the result. No school is perfect, but I am thrilled that my kids go to Remsenburg Speonk school. My taxes just went up around $17 a month. Something like that. I still look at it as I'm getting the better of the deal.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 12:01 PM
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You don't think they would get the same eduction if teachers payed 30% of there benefits .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 12:10 PM
I don't have a say in the collective bargaining agreements between teachers and school districts. I do have a say in whether or not I think a budget is fair. I think teachers will have to start paying a larger percentage of their medical expenses in the very near future. I think that will be an economic, and probably political certainty. When the time comes we'll deal with it. Based on the information I had about this budget, I thought it was fair and affordable so I voted yes. For me to vote no ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 1:27 PM
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I voted yes also for the same reason and agree on of your comments except when comes to other careers offering the same . 100,000+- the best health insurence money can buy retirement of 60% of last three years and only paying 10 years into pension and work 185 days a year other then a cop please tell me other careers that are that lucrative . Most people don't have a problem with the salary it's the benefits and pension . Simple fix would be pay into pension for 20yrs and pay half the insurance ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:06 PM
No, you're getting screwed. There are school districts elsewhere in the country that charge far less in property taxes and produce much better academic results.

I guess demanding value for money from educational service providers would take too much effort on your part.

It's much easier to just keep throwing more money at the problem, and not demanding better results.

You must not think your children are worth it.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 16, 12 2:22 PM
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If the average [pay was 57 k which it is not that would mean their are 110 teachers for 180 kids. It is not about valuing teachers or justifying administrative pay. it is about running the schools efficiently. Other states spend considerable less per student. You can't keep raising budgets by 3 to 4 percent per year and them claimn if you don't the children will suffer. Employees of any school district on Long Island are well paid have lifetime jobs and benifits and pensions that NO ONE enjoys ...more
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 16, 12 1:30 PM
I don't think your math is correct, Maxwell. Hard truth for you... if the taxes in Speonk are killing you then you can't afford Long Island. That and you have an irrational hate towards teachers. That's your thing to deal with. Unfortunately your vote counts as much as mine does. I'm sure you used your right. 62% of your neighbors disagree with you.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 1:56 PM
I voted yes myself but the vote past because all the 18 - 21 year kids voted yes that can't afford to live in remsenburg or probably never will . They kept it in reason and you can't fix a broken system over night but as long as you have a 2% cap there will the problem every year .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:10 PM
What are you talking about 110 teachers .
Budget on there website is 7,000,000 for just remsenburg kids divide by 180 and what do you get . Am I missing something
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:14 PM
How many years of school spending exceeding the rate of inflation will it take to "fix" the problem.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 16, 12 2:16 PM
I agree. If I thought it was unfair I would have voted no. Though to be honest it is hard to vote no when you have kids in the school, so it would have had to be ridiculous. I do think the budget is fair though. I agree with you in that teachers will be probably have to contribute more to their benefits. I think that time is coming soon because we all know insurance isn't getting cheaper. That's a topic for another day.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 2:19 PM
Most of these kids we are all so concerned about educating can't afford to stay on the East End
By WHALE56 (13), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:29 PM
Everything in government is little steps at least this 2% cap is a step in the right direction. All these people that take a hard line are minority just look at the voting only 11 +- budgets failed.
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:35 PM
I'm 45 born and raised here . I've heard that one since a little kid and population has grown
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 3:04 PM
LOL!

Do you support your taxes beeing used to buy $900 toilet seats?

If you don't, I'd like to know why you have such an irrational hatred towards toilet seat craftsmen.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 16, 12 2:15 PM
What?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 2:28 PM
Dude what are you talking about
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:31 PM
That was in reply to DS.

And yes, it was funny...
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 16, 12 4:14 PM
It's called an "analogy".

Double standard doesn't believe you should question the amount of taxpayer dollars going towards teacher pay or you "have an irrational hatred towards teachers".

Education is no different from the the government buying any other good or service, therefore, what is so offensive about demanding value for the money? These are the highest paid public school teachers in the country, and yet the results achieved are middle of the pack. Do you consider that a ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 16, 12 2:37 PM
Anger!!! Relax, Reality First, the sun still shines. My point was that I base my vote on whether or not I think a budget is fair. Perhaps you should consider where we live before you compare teacher salaries.
Our district had a salary freeze for 2012-13. So who should I slap and why? Where did I write anything about not questioning where taxpayer dollars go? You made that up to support a point. When you have to make things up to support a point, well....
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 2:52 PM
Phil, we have to stop agreeing like this. It seems unnatural. What can we fight about?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 7:44 PM
Phil, we have to stop agreeing like this. It seems unnatural. What can we fight about?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 7:45 PM
Twice even.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 7:45 PM
How would you like to live in Riverhead/Flanders where the homes are much more modest. Illegal immigrant's children flood these schools. That's one reason Texas is #50 in state's education.Pay very high taxes for a mediocre education.Every parent's dream
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 16, 12 2:54 PM
Then leave if it's bad here . Since a kid been hearing about taxes and other states .population has grown and our economy on long island is by far better then other states . But I know where heading in that direction if taxes keep going up so you better move before that happens . I think I will stay in the hamptons .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 3:01 PM
Listen you don't have to bash teachers are they over compensated yes is the 2 % going to correct that yes that's why all budgets passed for the most part . I couldn't be happier with my chidrens teachers are some better then others sure but people like you would vote no and bash eduction no matter what . Come up with blind stats and convince yourself that the eduction on long island is just average . I couldn't be a teacher nor would I want to deal with kids .
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 2:55 PM
Reality first do you understand you are a Monday morning quarter back . You can't solve a problem that has been developing for over a decade over night . We went throught a booming economy all government spending went out of controll and no one was paying attention . We vote for board members we vote for budgets we can also run for those board position . To sit here and bash the budgets when you and I and everyone else has the same opportunities is funny . I'm sure you took an active role over the ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 3:19 PM
Double standard I guess you don't know how to read very well. I have nothing against teachers it's the system that doesn't work. How would like it if LI went to a county system like most areas of the country. Then costs could be better controlled but then you lose local control. But then we don't need redundant layers of administrators and teaching positions would be determined by set criteria. You can't pay teachers 110 t0 130 thousand plus 20k in benefits and another 50 to 60 k ayear in pensions. ...more
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 16, 12 3:26 PM
I would, but they are not. Tell me what teacher is getting 110-130K in Remsenburg school? The PTO sent out a card with some stats... Remsenburg was ranked in the top 5 schools in the state and their teacher salaries averaged something like 33% on Long Island. I can't speak for other schools, but I can say that we are not taxed to death here and our school does a good job. Given that info that's how I base my vote. Base yours as you see fit. It seems to me that if you are being taxed to death in ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 3:54 PM
Go to
See through new York.com

Lots are making over 100,000
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 4:03 PM
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Really? I just tried but cant seem to find district specific info. If that's the case then I will agree $100k is a sweet deal for a teacher. I will also agree that a $100k salary should come with some kind of give back in terms of benefits expenditures, weighed heavier on the top earners.

I still like my school and think Remsenburg is one of the best deals on LI. I'm staying and I'm supporting my school til they give me reason to do otherwise.

Thanks for the info and link, Remsen.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 4:21 PM
I see a whole lot of nitpicking, and defensive postures over the same old BS propaganda.

Nothing changes the fact that teacher compensation (benefits, pensions, etc.) are COMPLETELY out of line with the private sector. The sector that just happens to be the people being bled dry to pay for their retirements.

Pretty much everyone else has to finance their own retirement, and a good portion of their medical insurance. It's got nothing to do with jealousy, or envy. It's about being ...more
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 16, 12 4:22 PM
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and the tide will shift because it has to. Will it shift for the police too? Anyone else? Just teachers?
Look, I know we are at the threshold of the new, new. If not then substitute Greece with USA. You know when it will really change? When the old guard retires and the younger teachers come in. I really do believe that. Maybe it's wishful thinking. I don't think teachers that are starting now will enjoy the same compensation and benefits as their predecessors did. However, I'm unwilling to ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 4:50 PM
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In essence. suffering, and suffrage are the only real things that ever changed things.

Quite an unfortunate "truth"...
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 16, 12 10:11 PM
Schools and unions take note. You see that bubbling on these boards? It's not a good sign. The people want to be fair and want fairness in return.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 4:54 PM
I think all of you people should become teachers to live the lavish life. Your comical. Keep ripping on teachers until no one wants to become one, and then deal with the cost of stupid down the road by paying for more prisons and unemployment.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 16, 12 5:06 PM
Monday morning quarter back . You can't solve a problem that has been developing for over a decade over night . We went throught a booming economy all government spending went out of controll and no one was paying attention . We vote for board members we vote for budgets we can also run for those board position . To sit here and bash the budgets when you and I and everyone else has the same opportunities is funny . I'm sure you took an active role over the years to make sure that the budgets in ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 5:29 PM
You see, that's where you and many others are DEAD WRONG.

We did NOT have a "booming economy". We had the illusion of one the whole time the Fed was printing trillions, and bailing out every single speculative bubble with cheap, or even free cash.

We now have an economy that is so overvalued, that poverty is on the INCREASE. I've bashed the Fed, "The Street", the market, and the gross overvaluation of assests for over a decade.

And, I shall continue whether people listen ...more
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 18, 12 5:00 PM
People the bash schools are comical . I agree over compensated but I can't complain I never ran for the board and the board members that negotiate these contracts are also voted in by the people . How is the teachers fault elected board negotiates and we vote . Am I missing something . If I want to make a difference I will I'm not going to blame and bash the school system for my lack of being involved and everyone else's lack of involvement . Classic Monday morning quarterbacks . The best is the ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 5:56 PM
Remsenburg people should really stop bashing !!!
The board members ran unopposed . Aren't they the ones that made up the budget if you don't like it run for the board then you can talk.
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 16, 12 6:23 PM
I just checked the data that you referenced above. You are right, quite a few teachers making 100k+ in Remsenburg / Speonk. Your belief that they should contribute more to their benefits is certainly understandable and valid. I stand corrected.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 7:52 PM
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I think Sag Harbor is a good example of how out of control teachers are. They wore t shirts protesting for a contract. The problem is they wore them to school where only non taxpaying children saw them . A truly lowlife act to muscle your way. Typical though. So so typical.
By double-D (96), southampton on May 16, 12 8:43 PM
"you see that bubbling on these boards? It's not a good sign. The people want to be fair and want fairness in return." double standard you need a life. All the bubbling on these boards comes from the same 6-8 people who literally have nothing better to do than comment on every issue. If you go by these boards alone, no budget on the east end would have passed, yet lo and behold, save for one , they all did by nice margins. Go find something else to complain about.
By bubby (236), southampton on May 16, 12 9:13 PM
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Well you are here and reading these posts. You are commenting too. Perhaps when I get a life I can bring you along and we can get a package deal? That and I voted yes for our school budget. I was simply pointing out that there is an understandable sentiment that if the schools continue to ask for more money then teachers may have to agree to some give backs. If that's a complaint then I guess I have read the wrong definition of complaint somewhere. I'd also suggest that if you don't like reading ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 16, 12 9:58 PM
Sure throw more money at the problem of education. No country spends more money than us on education, and the results are getting worse. There are over 3,000 teachers looking for work on LI. If these whining teachers dont like their compensation send them packing.
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 16, 12 9:56 PM
The music teacher at Remsenburg makes $122,000 salary. That fact is available only because taxpayers have fought for this kind of information to be made available. How d'you like them apples?
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 17, 12 12:54 AM
Thats just the salary portion of the compensation. Add in defined benefit pension funding and medical benefits and you are talking closer to 180k.
By C Law (334), Water Mill on May 17, 12 5:10 AM
Why don't all of you people just become teachers? In an area like the Hamptons, flooded with some of the richest people in the world, you spew hatredand envy towards teachers of all people, and act like they are billionares. Get Real!
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 17, 12 9:04 AM
What does a billionaire have to do with teachers who get payed by tax payers of all different classes . Teachers are a valuable asset to a community but if you see the problem that has occurred your blind . My opinion we are all responsible for the problem not the teachers . We as voters elected the boards and passed the budgets for the last decade or maybe some did nothing and just like to complain. This problem that effects all government didn't happen over night and it will take time to fix the ...more
By Remsen (68), Southampton on May 17, 12 10:17 AM
The point is: there are very many teachers out of work on LI. There are PLENTY of teachers AS qualified - if not better qualified to do this $122,000 a year job, who would be willing and able to do it for a lot LESS money. Why is this school allowed to pay $122,000 for this position when undoubtedly they could fill this position for alot less salary? Why is a music teacher being paid so much more than many of the classroom teachers who are responsible for teaching the more important skills of ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 17, 12 9:29 AM
So now teachers aren't "normal people". Are you for real? Look, teachers are paid professional salaries similar, actually lower than people who have similar educational backgrounds such as masters degrees. It is statistically proven that Americans with higher degrees earn more money than those with lower. Who are you comparing teachers salaries to? If its to uneducated people with just GEDs then that is a stupid comparison. Don't blame people who did what it taked to get good, secure, well-paying ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 17, 12 6:05 PM
Is going to college for four years the goal of this country? Four years of 3 days a week, summers off, and learning how to play drinking games? What happened to hard work, and learning a trade? We have brain washed our children that four years in college and 80k in college loans will be the answer to an easy life. There are millions in this country that can't get a job and have a college education.
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 17, 12 9:57 PM
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Where are the Tuckahoe people?The're the folks who voted down their budget.Their teachers are some of the highest paid in the state.Maybe they could voice an opinion on the subject. It has been noticably quiet from that neck of the woods.
By WHALE56 (13), Southampton on May 17, 12 10:33 AM
Hey Leon, I'm sure whatever job you have, there are plenty of people who would do it for less also. The job of the union is to get the teachers the highest salary possible. It's the boards that approved those terms, not the teachers, who are to blame.
By bubby (236), southampton on May 17, 12 4:50 PM
Obviously all you uninformed morons living in tuckahoe think our school taxes went up because you saw yet another uneducated person who lives in his mothers basements sign! Wake up and get the facts straight. Teachers work hard for their money dedicating their lives to kids.
By local39 (14), southampton on May 17, 12 7:15 PM
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They only work 188 days ayear and get sick and personnel days off so maybe 175 days that's about 70 days more off than the average joe, and don't forget full benefits and a full years credit towards retirement. It is not a difficult job especially when you cannot lose it. UNIONS UNions and More UNIONS. You need to get arrested several times( see Center Moriches and Southampton ) before your let go. How many teachers work hard during their 10 weeks off in the summer? None
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 18, 12 2:22 PM
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Maxwell, you are an idiot. My wife is a teacher, she has her masters degree in education, + 45 credit hours, + plus she is taking classes to improve herself now. She takes as many courses as she can to keep herself up on the latest technology and state requirements. As far as working 188 days, that's fine if they go to school, do their job , and leave, which I'm sure some do, but she does lesson plans at night, grades papers on the weekends, and spends time in her summer break planning for the ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on May 18, 12 3:06 PM
Maxwell is in good company on these boards, bubby. But more than being an idiot, what he truly is is a coward, unwilling to take on the real challenges facing education in this country, like all unevolved primates he can only grab at the lowest hanging fruit.

Maxwell is probably one of the very same intellectually challenged wingnuts who accuse everyone else of being socialists when it is they who do not want anyone to do better than themselves - an extremely low bar.

Remember, ...more
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 18, 12 3:48 PM
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Bubby, perhaps your teacher wife can teach you how to articulate a point without reverting to 1st grade name calling. You may want to actually consider a point of view that differs from your own. You'd be surprised at what you learn. As for public debate, you should actually expect an opinion that differs from your own. That's how debates work.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 4:22 PM
Can we please cut back on the personal insults. Make your points on both sides of the issue as passionately as you like, but please defer from name-calling. Let's keep the discussion civil.
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on May 18, 12 3:51 PM
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Ditto.

Have a good weekend, everyone, the forecast is great!
By PBR (4895), Southampton on May 18, 12 4:18 PM
Double standard, there is no debate with most of the people who post on these boards, they are just out to complain about each and everything to make their miserable lives seem a little better.No matter what the issue, the same 6-8 people find a way to complain about it. Upon saying that, I would like to apologize to you for my earlier post against you, it just frustrates me that so many keyboard warriors have nothing better to do than bash, unfortunately I took your post the wrong way and let ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on May 18, 12 4:49 PM
Thanks. I try to have civil debates here as much as possible because sometimes it is interesting. Many times it is frustrating. Thank you though for the apology.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 5:24 PM
And thank you both for setting a new standard for civility! ;)

By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (201), Hampton Bays on May 18, 12 5:48 PM
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Free ice cream for all the kids and staff at Remsenburg School today to celebrate the budget being passed. Your tax dollars are being well spent.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 18, 12 4:56 PM
Well, Leon, the primary reason that Remsenburg pierced the cap is because Westhampton upped the tuition. You get a lighted artificial turf ball field, we get Strawberry, Vanilla and chocolate.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on May 18, 12 7:11 PM
I must say that teachers are not the sole source of one's education. One of the basic fundamentals of learning is critical thought. It is something you can teach, and some people just do it naturally.

When it comes down to it, your level of "education" is up to you. Be it by building things, or an insatiable appetite for literature, it's up to you how much you know. Could you read a copy of Warriner's, and learn proper grammar, and usage of the Engish language on your own? I'm sure ...more
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 18, 12 5:28 PM
Thank you.

The weekend forecast just got better, thanks to your civility.

Think about it!
By PBR (4895), Southampton on May 18, 12 6:32 PM
The states that are amongst lowest average teacher compensation are also amongst the lowest in student achievement. You get what you pay for. And also in terms of civility, there is no civility in ripping teachers like Maxwell.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 18, 12 10:33 PM
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27east=place for people who hate teachers to gather and vent about how their lives and jobs suck, and how others are to blame for their failures
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 18, 12 10:36 PM
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How is not giving teachers a raise EVERY YEAR hating or ripping them??!!
The compensation for teachers and especially administrators is out of whack with the real world. Time for an increased contribution to health care premiums and a change in the pension system. This will not cost jobs or hurt the students.
By bigfresh (4045), north sea on May 19, 12 10:47 AM
So teachers don't deserve raises? Why not? Teachers are paying more into health care now and will in the future. Changes to the pension system have already been made. Tier 1s are all retiring now. The other tiers require far more service and have less lucrative pensions. I just find it absurd the way teachers are presented as 1percenters on this website.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 19, 12 3:00 PM
Once again if all of you here think teaching is such a gravy train, go back to school, then get a masters, then take 60 more hours of course work and training, take 3 state required exams, and then pay off all your loans, then finally try to get a job as a "RICH" teacher.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 19, 12 3:04 PM
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Louse pt, I am sure many of the people criticising the pay/benefits deals that teachers out here generally enjoy, are, like myself, employed in good jobs with good pay. Not agreeing with the power of the unions and the bloated pay and benefits has nothing to do with envy or a lack of education. I went to college and have a post grad MBA. I did my time in school too and had loans to prove it. However, I have always worked in the private sector and my pay is and never has been protected by a union. ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 19, 12 6:23 PM
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Leon, you sound like a socialist - no one is allowed to do better than anyone else. Is that how the private sector works? No. In the private sector you earn based on talent, skill, education - raises and benefits are incentives for private sector to hire the best people possible, but teachers should not be allowed the same? Ridiculous.
By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 21, 12 10:20 AM
It's not "socialist".

People sling that word like hash these days, and it's really SAD.

Thinking about it rationally, couldn't you argue that unions have traits of a socialist philosophy? A collective, working for the mutual benefit of a particular group sounds very similar to the principle of a cooperative enterprise to me. You could even say teacher's unions utilize a socialized stratagem for accumulation of taxpayer dollars, and equality for it's members.
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 26, 12 3:46 PM
No doubt, there are many people like you Leon who are educated and successful, and present viable opinions. There are however many people on this site who simply rip teachers out of envy. For example they do things like complain about the 180 days. that is what it is. School is in session for 180 days. They also do nothing but complain about teachers hours, when professional jobs are not paid by hours, but are paid on importance and requirements. I have no issue with teachers making concessions ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 20, 12 8:13 AM
witch hazel if you think that was the post of a socialist, clearly you didn't read it/ or didn't understand my point. Tenure by its very nature does not allow schools to hire the best possible candidates.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 21, 12 12:17 PM
Bubby your a moron no profession I know pays you more just because you took extra credits. I would love to take some college courses so that my garanteed salary would increase. But in the REAL WORLD where we are not protected by unions that's not possible and again why does it cost more to educate fewer students than 15 years ago, answer inefficient management and bloated payrolls. People who work in school districts pay way less for better benefits than most people. And when everyone leaves LOng ...more
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 21, 12 3:10 PM
Maxwell, maybe you should have been this well though out in your previous post, where you said no teachers do any extra work, they don't do anything in the summer, and they only work 170 days, instead of just blasting away with your idiotic comments. Part of the reason it does cost more is because of inefficient management, and illegals who don't contribute to the tax base. By the way, my wife has been teaching 15 years, with the credits I described above, and has yet to pull in 100k, So it's not ...more
By bubby (236), southampton on May 21, 12 8:26 PM
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Maxwell cut it out with the 9 months nonsense. School is in session for 9 months. They're kids and they need a break. Once again, professional jobs are not paid by time and hours, they are paid by their value and importance, and on educational background. Are you aware that the teachers who make low six figure salaries have been teaching for at least 15 years? And is 100k really so much, living on the East End? I think not. I know many, many locals who earn good livings here, and far more money ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 21, 12 4:46 PM
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Money invested in education prevents future money from being wasted on welfare and prisons. The cost of stupid! I'd also rather my taxes helped kids get an education and prepare them for 21st century careers, rather then shipping them off to that crap hole called the Middle East to fight useless wars that do nothing to enhance our security and cost us too many young lives!
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 21, 12 6:52 PM
Money invested in education prevents welfare and prison time? Your a joker if you believe that. What makes a more successful society is morals, and less liberal attitudes. Look at Asian countries like Singapore, Malayasia, Japan, and many others that stick to the family values necessary to maintain a more perfect society. These countries don't spend nearly as much as the US on education, and have far better results. Why? These societies have a mother and father in the home. They aren't teaching ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 21, 12 9:04 PM
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The whole world is kicking our butts because we moved away from morals and family values. Meantime the rest of the world is staying on the path of hardwork and we are being shelled. By the way when you say education how has our lives improved? The only reason we live better is because we borrow all our money (16 trillion in debt) to support our life styles. How sad is it we borrow trillions from Arab country, and China? How is education fixing our debt problem? Don't think too hard because it's ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 22, 12 6:00 PM
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Only an idiot, devoid of critical thinking wouldn't despise a system that ranks 26th in the world for results, but ranks 1 in spending.

Tell me philathome, which country spends more per child, per year on education, than the US?

Yet, the fault lies everywhere but with the unionized, nearly impossible to fire, nearly impossible to evaluate teachers.

Our public education system is as efficient, and quality focused as GM employees were in the 1970's and 80's, and for exactly ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on May 22, 12 6:33 PM
Our country ranks 26th because education is not respected and too many kids come from homes that don't provide any support. Too many people take schooling and education for granted. the bottom line is that if you take advantage of your educational opportunities you will succeed later in life. How do all of these Asian kids come over here and do so well in our schools? You know why, because they come from homes that respect education and teachers. You think they bash teachers and rip public education. ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 22, 12 7:55 PM
“most other countries separate those children from their general population and don't include them in their data.”

So Phil, you seem to be saying that the learning disabled ARE included in the testing data in the US and are failing to perform on the SATs and other tests that determine achievement and that’s the reason why the US scores have declined. Holy failing grade, I think you’re on to something Einstein! I find including a disabled student in acheivement ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on May 22, 12 8:54 PM
Asians come to the United States and out perform, because these kids come from a place where teachers actually teach and like doing it. They teach many times in substandard building not like our state of the art building that have more gym space than classroom area. The kids wear uniforms so there is no distinguishing between rich and poor. They teach respect, and hardwork they don't teach, gay marriage, sex ed, or show sponge Bob Square pants to burn up the class time. Louse Pt you keep fighting ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 22, 12 9:37 PM
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"Yes,the learning disabled are usually included in the standardised testing unless their disability disqualifies theem from the testing."

Phil, that's the grand daddy of double talk. Hedge your position much? So if the learning disabled are included in the testing, then I would deduce from your two step that they're not actually learning disabled and your original statement was complete crap. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.
May 22, 12 9:47 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Liberal playbook, page 89 - When questioned, change the topic, attack and deflect by introducing an unrelated topic. P.S. Per NCLB, "state assessments are disaggregated within each state, local education agency , and school by student demographic subgroups, including those with disabilities to eliminate using the schoolwide average as the yard stick for success.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on May 22, 12 9:47 PM
What a bunch of crap. Keep your religion to yourself
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 22, 12 9:59 PM
I couldn't agree more Phil, but that's not what you originally wrote. You wrote "most other countries separate those children from their general population and don't include them in their data" which purposely insinuates that the US includes the learning disabled in their data (and this drives test scores down). Now, you are making a qualifying statement by saying that the learning disabled are separated out if they are able to take the exam based on their learning disability. This gives a completely ...more
May 23, 12 9:04 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Phil wrote: "The severity of a disability would disqualify a child if he is intellectually incapable ofcomprehending he test"
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on May 23, 12 9:04 AM
Practice what you preach phil. ADD is school talk for MONEY. Have you dealt with the sysytem on this level? I have. Luckily i saw there game and demanded further evaluation from a specialist in the field.
What i learned from the leading doctor in child behavior at Stony Brook University is the schools use antiquated testing equipment and standards. If you ;ike i can get you her number. She has written several books and is considered a leader in her field.
Let me know. I would love to ...more
By double-D (96), southampton on May 23, 12 8:53 PM
Thanks Cheif that is what I've been saying all along. I value teachers as much as the next person but this system is extremely bloated. By the way a teacher with amasters in say history wouldn't even get an interview for a job in the real world. END of discussion. Time for a few summer fundraisers for rich people nonsense.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 22, 12 1:08 PM
A teacher with a masters in history might know a thing about the history of our nation and the abuse of laborers during the industrial revolution, hence the formation of unions. I guess under your plan, you would just fire every teacher after ten years of service and replace them with a cheaper priced neophyte? What makes you think teachers can't get other jobs? Your comments indicate that you don't respect teachers. They are also ignorant and cliche. "Teachers make too much money and only work ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 22, 12 5:23 PM
The Industrial Revolution began in the US 300 years ago and I am sure we can all agree that workplace conditions have improved immeasurably since then. There are numerous protections in law for workers which do not involve unions. Unions are outdated and unnecessary.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 22, 12 7:52 PM
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Workplace conditions improved BECAUSE of unions, you dolt. The vast majority of workplace accidents occur today in mon-union workplaces. Look at coal mines for an example. The sheer ignorance of you wing nuts is astonishing! Are you Double Standards apprentice?!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on May 22, 12 9:58 PM
Ignorance? Who, Philathome? Not sure what else you people want unions to deliver to union members. Yearly cruise? We are well past the point (200 years-ish) where a union has to exist to protect a 9 year old from having to work a 20 hour day. Many protections in the workplace have come into existence because of the evolution of civilized society which has brought pressure to bear on inequities. Migration and the education of the populace similarly had nothing at all to do with unions. Don't ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 22, 12 11:23 PM
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By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 23, 12 3:26 PM
Please.... Phil, You can't adamantly be for abortion like you are... and then champion child labor laws. Its hilarious! Blind progressive nonsenses.
By joe hampton (3272), south hampton on May 23, 12 7:31 PM
I disagree. Respect for life is a common ground on these two topics. Go as deep into thesaurus as you like phil. Your a typical two faced lib.
By double-D (96), southampton on May 23, 12 8:59 PM
Health care benefits and vacation pay are just two examples of why unions have caused a lot of our school taxes to rise so quickly. Why should ANYONE expect their employer to pay their for their health insurance of pay their salary while they aren't working?!
We are forced to pay our taxes, and seeing our employees getting mandatory , yearly raises is one reason we're pissed.
By bigfresh (4045), north sea on May 23, 12 6:41 AM
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In that context, "you're" is spelled "your"...as in ownership of the taxes, not as in "you are". Typical. you can't even post using the corrrect grammar.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on May 23, 12 3:28 PM
Illegals have cost east end schools far more money than teacher compensations.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 23, 12 7:04 AM
Lets pay everyone 200k with lifetime healthcare and 100k pensions at 55 if you think that will garantee a great education you are sadly mistaken. When you cannot lose your job or EVER have to worry about a pay cut why would you have to worry about doing a good job. 122k for music teachers and 110k for gym teachers please. Circle the wagons school union people.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 23, 12 2:05 PM
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By louse pt. (143), springs on May 23, 12 5:20 PM
I worked as a high school science teacher for 3 years and gave up for 2 reasons, the unions and the administration. They are nothing more than self serving bureaucrats that have destroyed public school education in just under a few decades. Good job department of education you have managed to reduce teachers to indoctranators and over paid babysitters the kids suffer while administrators makes 6 figures with pensions and virtually free healthcare.
May 23, 12 7:06 PM appended by 27dan
indoctrinators
By 27dan (2595), Southampton on May 23, 12 7:06 PM
Lotta fancy cars being driven by union thugs...but it's for "the children" For every dollar that goes to public schools, 96 cents of it goes to admin while only 4 cents goes towards educating the student. no wonder our teachers love being unionized( paycheck and benefits) and our students just get "dumber".
By 27dan (2595), Southampton on May 23, 12 7:07 PM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 28, 12 6:47 PM
Philathome and all the other teacher advocates have still not answered the question we are all asking. How do 120k teacher salaries and ridiculous benefits equate to a better education? Don't expect an answer these people deflect the question and get nasty when you ask this.
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 23, 12 9:57 PM
Public Schools should not be educating the most challenged alongside the majority of students who do not need their school to be loaded up with special ed teachers who cost a lot more. "Safe and secure" for teachers should not equate to $$$$ and no fear of ever being held accountable.
By local12 (34), Remsenburg on May 24, 12 8:15 AM
Teachers and Fancy Cars Now? This stuff is beyond stupid. Anyone who thinks teachers are rich, needs to go back to school themselves, or perhaps check themselves into a mental institution.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 24, 12 10:07 AM
Go to Southampton or Easthampton and count the amount of Lexus's parked there and then tell me they don't make a ridiculas amount of money. i don't see too many Intel or Siemens finalist coming out of the east end, but thank god we deflect the educational shortfalls by concentrating on culural tolerance and community liason people. Continue to circle the wagons louise.
By maxwell (169), speonk on May 24, 12 1:51 PM
Sag Harbor's public school has produced some Intel/Siemens finalists and for what it's worth, that's a terrible standard to use in judging how "good" a school is.

Ever notice how a large majority of Siemens/Intel finalists do their work at Stony Brook or BNL? Do you see how many of them are the children on Professors at Stony Brook? Being a Siemens/Intel finalist has little to do with the quality of your school and a lot to do on who your parents are and what your connections are. ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 24, 12 4:25 PM
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How do you know what their spouses do for a living? You may not like to hear this, but teaching is a professional job, and it come with respectable professional pay. All of your comments promote nothing more than envy. It's sad. You're the one circling the wagon.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 24, 12 3:35 PM
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It's funny there is still no legitimate reason why education is going up, and results are going down. In no other industry in the world can someone have job security doing such a bad job. The reason these teachers drive Lexus's because they usually have tutoring jobs, bartending jobs, lawn businesses, and pool cleaning businesses to further supplement their incomes. Still the question is why do we need to pierce tax caps for education? Maybe we should just close the schools and put the 30k a year ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 24, 12 10:09 PM
Are you in favor of teacher evaluations? How about tying those evaluations to compensation? If not why not?
By bigfresh (4045), north sea on May 25, 12 6:18 AM
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There are teacher evaluations. In terms of spending, Springs is no where near that 30k figure you mentioned per student, and the school also stayed within the cap. The criteria for the evaluations has been set by the state education dept. I do think teachers should be held accountable to work hard, like all other jobs, and like all other jobs there are some lazy people, but the way some folks on this site bash the profession is unfair. There are many, many dedicated teachers, who work very hard, ...more
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 25, 12 7:04 AM
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My question is who is evaluating teachers and making these decisions. We are 26th in the world of education you would think there would be many people let go with this failure of educators. Besides the occasional pediphile teacher being arrested I never hear of any teachers being fired. We should have a for profit school system everything the govt runs is a disaster. For example the post office is bankrupt and Fedex is having a record year. Why argue with the success of private industry. Only an ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on May 25, 12 9:22 PM
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Its the same old crap chief...What ever suits there progressive Statism mentality. A pedophile teacher is protected by tenure as long as he is teaching about Global warming and phosphates leaching into the ground water.Cant have the 1 % having trophy lawns now can we.seems to make them Green with envy LOL
By joe hampton (3272), south hampton on May 28, 12 2:29 PM
I've read Levin, but you seem to be hypnotized by him. He uses the word "Statist" with more frequency, than South Park, or the Osbournes going for high marks on an expletive count. Agawam Lake went anoxic in the last twenty years. A portion of Shinnecock Bay is devoid of life. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but global warming does exist, and we do contribute to it. Smokestack industry, coal power plants, automobiles, home heating, and to top it off, natural volcanism ranks #1 the ...more
May 28, 12 3:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. It was a fun day at work, and I'm goin' out on the water.
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 28, 12 3:33 PM
ok we get it. Public schools suck, teachers are rich (joke), blah, blah, blah, Enjoy the holiday weekend. Oh yea four days for the teachers, that probably really gets you guys fired up!
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 26, 12 2:20 PM
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Cameras in the classroom would solve everything
By 27dan (2595), Southampton on May 28, 12 2:11 PM
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Its our tax dollars and OUR children. I want to see what goes on in class everyday. A little less indoctrination and a little more teaching of American History, English and Math.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America! and to the REPUBLIC!!! for which it stands one nation under GOD!!! indivisible with liberty and justice all all.
its Tuesday morning, Now get teaching, you only have a few weeks before you get your paid Summer vacation.
By 27dan (2595), Southampton on May 28, 12 2:19 PM
I watched the glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the Gods they made

~ Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 28, 12 3:34 PM
Bravo, Dan... Bravo.... I also find the 10 Amendment to be one of the most important parts of the constitution. Also seems to be the most despised by the some of the progressive hacks ""teaching"" the kids.
By joe hampton (3272), south hampton on May 28, 12 2:37 PM
It's also the next most maligned, after the 14th Amendment.
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 28, 12 3:38 PM
teachers should not indoctrinate. I agree. Summers are not paid. the job is paid over ten months. Some teachers don't work over the summer and save up all year, some work full time in the summer to support their families. I am curious why many of you here pick on teachers alone when police have far more lucrative contracts, including over time pay and fatter pensions.
By louse pt. (143), springs on May 28, 12 6:26 PM
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No, people comment about the lucrative pay no matter the union.
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 28, 12 11:05 PM
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By witch hazel (224), tatooine on May 28, 12 6:45 PM
Here is some light reading for educational purposes:

high flux neutron source in stable heavy element production

BNCT


ORNL is just seriously cool ****!
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 28, 12 11:04 PM
You want cool lets talk cool....Cold Fusion, although virtually ignored by the mainstream, theoretically could be ... A clean, virtually inexhaustible energy in the form of sea water! 1 Teaspoon of Heavy Water has the energy content of 300 Gallons of Gasoline. You could go 55 million miles on a gallon. There is enough deuterium fusion fuel in the top 1 foot of seawater in the San Francisco Bay to supply all of mankind's projected energy needs for the next 50-100 years... And you wonder why the Federal ...more
By joe hampton (3272), south hampton on May 29, 12 12:27 AM
There's also a reason they want to mine asteroids. As the most potentially abundant source of Iridium, if you owned the mining rights to them, you could corner the anti-matter market before it was commercially viable. He3 is another source of energy created by the solar wind on the moon, and other stellar objects.

The plasma/deuterium experiments, though intriuging are far from viable at this time. At the present time, it costs energy to run a fusion reactor.

Maybe someday either ...more
May 29, 12 8:23 PM appended by Mr. Z
Seriously, when it comes to oil interests, we're discussing a group of persons who could care less if they scorch the Earth, as long as they live comfortably NOW. Pass the buck to the ensuing generations, if there are any, as long a we live like kings now. PATHETIC, AND DISGRACEFUL are an understatement.
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 29, 12 8:23 PM
What do you think about solar collectors in orbit 24 / 7 pure collection.We could beam it back to collectors on earth via microwave beam. It is safe and not a fantasy. but there is no initiative so it seems ;) I have read it would solve all our energy problems indefinitely. Also with the moon full of helium-3 why has it been 50 years since we have been back. Or has it been ;)
By joe hampton (3272), south hampton on May 29, 12 9:44 PM
The major challenge for solar collectors would be the maintenance costs. The orbital space around our planet has basically become a massive junkyard, and an object the size of a pea can do some major damage (f = m x a). A rectifying antenna is one of the greatest Tesla based inventions, but your aim better be a bullseye. Microwaves can do some serious damage, despite their usefulness. You don't normally stick your head on one, do you? If you haven't taken a fluorescent bulb, and tested the ...more
May 30, 12 4:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
Self interest is one thing. Enlightened self interest is another...
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 30, 12 4:59 AM
Imagine the consequences if someone managed to weaponize an orbital microwave array...
By Mr. Z (10900), North Sea on May 31, 12 10:01 AM