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Hospitals And Bishop Applaud Supreme Court Ruling; Altschuler Vows To Work For Repeal

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Colleen Reynolds   Jun 28, 2012 4:12 PM
Jul 3, 2012 6:10 PM

Perhaps not surprisingly, the Supreme Court’s 5-4 vote on Thursday upholding most of President Barack Obama’s landmark health care reform was greeted warmly in the East End medical community and with mixed reactions from East End congressional candidates.

The court largely let stand the Affordable Care Act that called for the creation of a nationwide insurance system that would greatly lower the number of Americans who lack coverage.

One main issue was the so-called individual mandate, which would require all Americans to get health insurance or pay a fine. The Obama administration said the mandate is necessary to fix flaws in the insurance market as well as to allow those with “pre-existing conditions” to get insurance. Republicans, on the other hand, claimed the health care reform, which they often refer to derogatorily as “Obamacare,” would be an unconstitutional expansion of federal power.

The decision did restrict one big piece of the overhaul, however, and that was the expansion of Medicaid, the government health-insurance program for people within certain income limits. The court’s ruling allows states some leeway not to expand their Medicaid programs without paying the penalties that would have been required under the overhaul.

Southampton Hospital officials this week forwarded information that the court decision makes it possible to extend health insurance coverage to 32 million Americans.

In a phone interview last Thursday, shortly after the ruling, Robert Chaloner, the CEO of Southampton Hospital and the new spokesman for the East End Health Alliance–which comprises Peconic Bay Medical Center in Riverhead and Eastern Long Island Hospital in Greenport, expressed optimism with the court’s action. He is the new spokesman by virtue of his chairmanship title on the alliance’s CEO Council, a position that rotates every two years.
“Number one, I’m just glad there’s closure to the issue because the uncertainty when you’re trying to plan is very, very difficult,” he said. “so I’m glad that there’s settlement and that we can move forward.”

He said he is confident and happy that certain aspects of health care, such as the need for providers to continue to reduce costs, for doctors and hospitals to become more affiliated with one another and for the computerization of health records, will continue.

“If the decision results in more people getting insurance and coverage, I think that’s a good thing,” Mr. Chaloner said, but also expressed a note of caution.

“There’s a lot of complexity still. We have to watch how it plays out over the next couple of years,” he said. “But the thing I feel good about is I think we’re taking the right steps here locally.”

East End Congressional candidates also weighed in on the decision.

Democratic U.S. Representative Tim Bishop issued a statement saying the decision, which upholds the so-called “individual mandate” requiring most Americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine, “compels us to finally put aside the political wrangling over the Affordable Care Act and move forward to fully implement reforms that will control costs while improving quality of care.”

He said the reform will allow Americans to have secure and affordable coverage regardless of pre-existing health conditions, age, gender or employment status. “I call on my colleagues to work in a bipartisan manner to address the challenges facing our economy and abandon the symbolic effort to repeal a law that was fully debated in Congress and has been deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court.”

But Republican Randy Altschuler, who is looking to unseat Mr. Bishop in November, issued a statement saying he strongly disagrees with the ruling, cited it as a reason to oust Mr. Bishop, and pledged to work for repeal of the measure. “President Obama and incumbent Washington politician Tim Bishop must be held accountable this November for forcing Suffolk County’s working families, small businesses and seniors on a fixed income to shoulder the $500 billion in tax increases and $500 billion in Medicare cuts in this law that will further cripple our economy and slow job creation,” his statement said. “Now, more than ever, if you want to change Congress, you need to start by changing your congressman.”

Mr. Altschuler suggested enabling insurance companies to compete across state lines and allow small businesses to pool together to buy health care for their employees.

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A sad day for America and for freedom. A big win for government intrusion into our lives.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 5:20 PM
Are we to understand you are not insured? Then it's people like you who contribute to expense all the rest of us are saddled with when you are unable to pay your medical bills.
By East End 2 (64), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 5:12 AM
Hey, capt'n crunch, take responsibility for yourself and go out and buy some insurance so I can stop paying for you. This bill will save me over $1,200 a year in premiums which I now pay to cover you and your ilk!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:34 AM
How odd partyfirst. My health insurance went up $800 dollars the renewing cycle immediately after Obamacare was passed -"government requirements" being cited as one of the reasons. Soon to go up even more I would expect with the courts rewriting of the law. The fact that you are stating that it will save you (future tense) $1,200 a year tells me, you're full of crap and you probably don't have insurance. You should be thanking me for paying your way.
Jul 1, 12 8:21 AM appended by Captn America
You need to look no further than comments from Jonathon Gruber, the MIT architiect of Obamacare. During Obamacare debate he said it would reduce premiums by 13% for the young and 31% for the elderly. Now, he says Obamacare will raise premiums 19-30%.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 1, 12 8:21 AM
Hey Tim, you kept your health coverage and were exempt from the grasp of Obamacare coverage, how come?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 5:23 PM
The right doesn't want government to tell us what to do with our bodies.

Unless you're a woman.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 5:40 PM
And the left tells everyone what to do.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:33 PM
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You don't have to get health insurance.You don't get a free ride if you don't,either.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:50 PM
It's called taking personal responsibility.
sound familiar?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:51 PM
Obamacare makes young healthy people buy insurance at community rates so their premiums will pay for aging boomers who have never paid in enough for the benefits they are demanding now that they are becoming decrepit.

I might support it if the rates young people paid reflected accounted for their own health care, but it is designed to make them pay for everyone else too.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jun 28, 12 8:18 PM
Not the way it works.
Everyone pays into it,either through employment sponsored plans or through subsdised premiums.No one will go to the emergeny room without some kind of insurance,so costs of the uninsured will stop being a factor in premiums.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 8:33 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jun 28, 12 10:44 PM
Phil talking about personal responsibility is just about the funniest thing I have ever read.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 8:34 AM
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I take personal responsibility.I have health insurance,pay my bills and taxes,help and advocate for others.
You and others here love to talk about taking personal responsibility,but when you are required to,you reveal your
"Double Standard".
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:57 AM
Captn America, where do you get YOUR health coverage from? Have you ever had a claim?
By M. O'Connor (129), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 5:58 PM
I get my groceries at a gorcery store. But the government just mandated me to buy a certain product - even though I might not need the product, like it or even want the product. If I don't buy the product, I pay a tax, just to ensure others will buy goceries as well, whether they need or want it. Have you ever bought groceries?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 11:37 PM
Hey don't forget that they make you buy care insurance...or if you have a mortgage...home insurance.....
Get over it!!!
By SHNative (535), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 5:41 AM
Only if I CHOOSE to drive. Only if I DON'T provide a minimum deposit. If my home is paid off it is my CHOICE to buy home insurance...

For now at least.... it might now be called a tax.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 8:38 AM
Nice to know that you choose not to get sick.
Be careful,we don't want to get stuck paying your medical bills.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:12 AM
No, the government knows best for me. It will tell me what I can and can't do.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:14 PM
that's a good thing,since you don't seem to know what's good for yourself.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:47 PM
That's why the size of my soft drink is being limted. Government at it's finest.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 9:52 AM
Healthcare was uphels and the Russians didn't comearching in.......
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:14 PM
No, the socialists are already here. BTW, it wasn't upheld. It was rewritten by the one member of the court to remain in place. Big difference.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 1, 12 8:27 AM
The government can't tell us what to buy, but they can sock us with a "tax" if we don't.

Alternative headline:

"Chief Justice Roberts gets libs to gut Obamacare from the inside out."
By Duckbornandraised (75), Eastport on Jun 28, 12 6:32 PM
I thought Obama wasn't going to raise taxes on the middle class. This is the biggest tax increase in history!

Yesterday a 5-4 decision would be political. Today a 5-4 decision is magnificent. Just because the SC says it’s a tax and not unconstitutional, contrary to the claims of Obama that it’s a penalty, still doesn’t make it a good law.

When does the Affordable piece of Obamcare kick in?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:32 PM
You only pay the tax if you don't take personal responsibility for your healthcare.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 6:53 PM
It doesn't matter. Obama said he wouldn't raise taxes on the poor or middle class one cent. If someone doesn't have insurance today, and now they are now required to have it, it's a new tax and money out of their pocket regardless. Your same semantics is how Obamcare was sold to the public and why the 5-4 vote. It’s still a bad law.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 7:09 PM
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Low income individuals and families get subsidies to buy insurance.They are not left on their own.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 7:19 PM
And who pays for the subsidies?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 10:59 PM
Yeah, receiving subsidies sure sounds like exercising personal responsibility.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 11:02 PM
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14 billion for J.P. Morgan Chase.

Seems to me, cut the subsidies for "finance", and industry, and you can provide for the people.
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 28, 12 11:15 PM
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Z, you're zigging when you should be zagging. I have no problem with that, fine, cut the subsidies for the evil corporations, GM bailout and the rest. PERFECT. "Provide for the people," I think not as well. How about they all just manage personal and corporate responsbility?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:06 PM
But you oppose taking personal responsibility by buying health insurance.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:49 PM
No, I oppose government intrusion requiring that I do so, or else be taxed. Health Insurance is NOT a born right and government is overstrpping its bounds telling us we have to do so.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 1, 12 8:12 AM
So you don't really beleive in personal responsibility.That's just a catch phrase from the Luntz playbook.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 6:46 AM
Obamacare is waging war on personal responsibility. The welfare state is founded on the principle of collective rather than individual responsibility where everyone is responsible for everyone else.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 10:07 AM
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You won't take personal responsibility.You won't take care of yourself let alone anyone else-you want others o pay for it.
You're a freeloader.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 7, 12 6:35 PM
It's very funny that Tim Bishop wants to create jobs. This healthcare bill will send more jobs over seas than any other. Thanks Tim
By chief1 (1108), southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:04 PM
You obviously don't know what's in this law,and explaining it to you would be a waste of time because ou have it so wrong.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:18 PM
Typical bs liberal answer. "Oh, I'm so much smarter than you". What a crock. The SC did us a foavro by upholding it. This will prove to be Obama's undoing come November. So you know exactly what is in this law? Funny, Pelosi didn't.
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:29 PM
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More sour grapes..
The republicans have nothing to run on except that they want to take away the health insurance that people now have.They have no pln except to repeal it and return to the system of rationed care that exsted before.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:33 PM
Tiswas the plan proposed by the republicans in 94.It was endorsed by the Heriage Foundation,then adopted by RMoney and implemented in Massachussetts;Romney said at the time that this was the plan the whole country needed.Now he shook his etch-a-sketch and spun 180 degrees like the rest f the republican party did.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:40 PM
I asked you a question. What do you know about this law that no one else seems to know? Enlighten us. Tell me why a majority of the country dislikes Obamacare.

Republicans have plenty to run on. Economy, unemployment, deficit... Should I go on?
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:40 PM
60 % doesn't think it went far enough.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:42 PM
I have the feeling you will go on,because you ignore facts.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:43 PM
What facts am i ignoring?
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:45 PM
The republicans keep shooting themsves in the foot.
they declared war on women and womens' health rights
they alienated hispanics by not supporting immigration reform
they're trying to limit voting rights for minorities,the elderly and the young
they were against the repeal of DADT and gay rights
they want to cut funding to education and environmental preservation
they tried to trump up charges against Erik Holder
they've blocked any attempt to rebuild our infrastrutre
they ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:53 PM
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The democrats want you to beleive all is fine in the economy.
They wage class warfare and war on individual rights.
They play politics with immigration reform.
They want to jeaprdize the integrity of the election process.
They choose to weaken the military and eliminate DADT - a policy that allowed gays to freely perform their duty and has proven to be an effective and successful policy, balancing military needs and gay rights.
The left wants you to think only they are for clean ...more
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 11:26 PM
This law forces people to take personal responsibility;aren't you always telling us how important that is to you and the right? Now you're flip-flopping, you don't want people to take personal responsibility because it's a democrat making them do it. A nice demonstration of hippocracy there,captain.

By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:23 AM
I see that you oppose gay rights-you prefer gays to stay in te closet where you can discriminate against them.
Bigot.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:24 AM
I know, we should ask Nancy Pelosi.
By Publius (358), Westhampton Beach on Jun 29, 12 7:53 AM
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Every poll I have seen shows that it is about a 60%/30%/10% split in relation to the ruling (against/for/undecided).
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 29, 12 11:48 AM
who are you? It is unbelievable that you seem to believe these things. It is scary that anyone in the USA believes these things. Obama has done a great job of promoting distrust and misinformation between Dems and Reps. It is tragic that you - and probably more like you - can be so venomously misinformed. How easy it seems to have been to have got you to this fantasy place.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Jul 12, 12 1:37 PM
Within 7 hours of the ruling being issued, the Romney campaign had taken in $2 million dollars.
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:48 PM
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di hip more jobs overseas?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 9:54 PM
Huh? You been drinkin again?
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 28, 12 9:57 PM
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wow,you're original. It makes up for you're other shortcomings.
did he ship more jobs overseas?.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 10:04 PM
You must be talking about Tim Bishop and him sending tax payer dollars to China.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 28, 12 11:27 PM
I debunked this before.
try something new
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 10:04 AM
No, actually you didn't. You only think you did. Less car dealerships and output in the US, more car dealerships and factories in China. Billions to a company that is being bailed out by overseas demand, and has shifted production to China and Mexico.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:12 PM
No,I did debunk it.just because you don't accept it doesn
't make it so.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 5:02 PM
This Supreme Court decision will be the COMPLETE undoing of the Democrats. The House Republicans have already scheduled a vote for July 9th to repeal, in total, Obamacarenewtax. Timmy will obviously vote against repeal. That runs against 59% of the people in his district - one more nail in the coffin. You can add that to the rising unemployment rate in Timmy's district, the decision by Obama to ice ICE, the stock market that will plunge as we approach election day, and on and on and on and it ...more
By formertbm (74), east hampton on Jun 28, 12 10:39 PM
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85:15.

Any questions?
Jun 28, 12 11:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
50/50
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 28, 12 11:11 PM
I almost forgot.

Are the monster due yet, on Maple St.?

Oh, do I love Rod Serling's work...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 28, 12 11:52 PM
Better get your umbrella,Z. The sky is falling.
Nothing like a SCOTUS decision to expose the extreme paranoia from some of the posters here.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:31 AM
Yeah, that whole separation of powers thing is really over rated.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 9:54 AM
Timmy must have read the revised CBO numbers showing the cost of the bill. These numbers include the anticipated increase in taxes on the middle class and rise in premiums. The only people benefiting from this are the free loaders. Timmy reminds me of a broke Paris Hilton with a credit card.
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 6:06 AM
I have a copy of the CBO report bookmarked.It gives the ACA very good marks.
want to see it?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:44 AM
Which version? More recent feedback is much less forgiving. And of course it gives Obamacare "good marks," it is scored with information supplied and held back by the very approvers of the bill. More recent scores have begun to incorporate realities.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 8:36 AM
March,2012
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:31 AM
Exactly... less forgiving... and not so good marks...

The CBO found that more individuals will lose their employer-provided coverage than originally anticipated, and the government will collect $99 billion more in taxes and penalties. CBO also finds that there are more uninsured individuals. The CBO found that this continues the trend of Obamacare becoming increasingly expensive and decreasingly effective with each new scoring update.

It also costs more to cover individuals who ...more
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 1:45 PM
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And the individuals will be able to get insurance from the exchanges if the employers drop them-that's where the penalties the employers will pay will go.

If you actually read the CBO report,it is an analysis of several possible employer behaviors when the ACA is actually implemented.
This explains a lot of what will happen when the ACAs fully implemented-


"The differences in the estimated number of people receiving health insurance coverage through various sources lead ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:23 PM
here's more,addressing employers failure to offer insurance-

"Some observers have argued that employers’ decisions about whether to offer health insurance coverage under the ACA will not be based on the kind of rigorous assessment of costs and benefits—to themselves and their employees—
that are captured by the models used by CBO and JCT and by the other analysts
just mentioned. Instead, some have argued, firms will choose not to offer coverage based simply on ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:42 PM
Which all means Obamacare will cost more than originally promised. People will be dropped from their current coverage because their employers can't afford it. They will be forced to buy coverage against their will or pay a tax and we see yet another lie from Obama that if you have coverage, you can keep it - NOT. Working to achieve an acceptable CBO “score” (i.e., cost projection) is just part of the game Washington plays with legislation—and the American people. The costs of ...more
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 2, 12 1:57 PM
So you don't actually know what's in the law,do you?

D you provide access to health insurance to your employees?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 6:48 AM
And the productive members of society have to pay the bill for it!
I hope L'il Timmy has the guts to debate Randy, how can he defend his position on Obamacare and Amnesty for Illegals? You can't make this stuff up!
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on Jun 29, 12 6:52 AM
"And the productive members of society have to pay the bill for it!"

I guess you want to be let off the hook?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:45 AM
ObamaCare is a TAX, the Supreme Court validated it because the government has the right to tax. It is a tax increase to middle class Americans which Obama said he would not do. Both Obama and Bishop who supported a TAX Increase are not to be trusted to look after the middle class. If you are a free loader, it is a win for you. Vote both Obama and Bishop out in November.
By crusader (233), East Quogue on Jun 29, 12 6:54 AM
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The SCOTUS determined the penalty is a tax for those who choose not to get health insurance-the real freeloaders.As usual,we have misinterpretations of the decision to conveniently fit the narrative that the right wants to use.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:50 AM
If you don' want to pay for health insurance nor pay the tax penalty,by crusaders' description you're a freeloader.
If you want to allow people without insurance to continue to go to the emergency room so the costs are passed on to the rest of us because you're against people taking personal responsibility (especially when 'personal responsibility' is so important to the right),by Cappies description,you're a hippocrate.

Can you people get together and actually come up with some new ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:57 AM
Phil - go talk to a small business owner about how hard it is to insure employees. Be sure to ask him or her if that burden has been eased post-Obamacare.
Do you contribute to your HC plan?
Have you ever had to provide HC for someone?
Have you ever considered the direct relationship between HC costs and hiring?
You see the world through as you want to, not as it is. For whatever reason you have zero ability to see the big picture.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 8:58 AM
The exchanges that will be put in place will releive small businesses of having to provide health insurance to employees if the employer doesn't want to.Many small businesses don't provide health insurance to employees now,so individuals will have access to health insurance for the first time.
Yes,I contributer to my health plan.Always have.
I find your last two lines to be very revealing about you;your words are very introspective.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:18 AM
Now we need to send the Outsourcing millionare back to New Jersey.
Show him that he cannot buy a Congressional seat in NY-1!!
By SHNative (535), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 8:09 AM
1. The CBO revised numbers in March show the total bill will cost 2.6 trillion.
2.Obama promised to lower the bill by 2500 per family per year. An analysis by the CBO shows the cost will INCREASE by 2,100.
3. Obama said he would not support a bill that arrives from congress that is not controlling costs. Chief Medicare actuary Richard Foster stipulated that Obama care will increase health care expendetures by 311 billion over the next 10 years.
4. Obama said flat out (numerous times) ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 8:25 AM
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Affordable Care Act:
Affordable for who? Paid for by who? Mandated by the Govt.
Again, mandated by the govt simply because you exist!!!
What is fixed?

This is a victory? I don't think so. This is nothing more than an opportunity to scream "my side beat your side" while losing sight of the fact that healthcare is still not fixed. So many are so willing to eat the garbage they are presented with and then ask for seconds. What is fixed???
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 8:32 AM
You lost the supreme court decision.I'm sure that you'd be screaming 'my side beat your side' if it went the other way.
All you're demonstrating is that you're a crybaby doing exactly what you yourself described.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:21 AM
I didn't lose anything, Phil. That's the difference between you and me, I don't see politics as a sporting event. I see issues and judge them based on right and wrong, good and bad. I don't have a side. You simply can't grasp that as you are so in bed with "your side" that you have forgotten how to think on your own.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:33 AM
BS
You've demonstrated that you're as or more partisan as I am.The difference is I admit it while you hide behind a cloak of lies about how you're a 'centrist'.

By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:54 AM
Negative. I've always been in favor of healthcare reform. 100% in favor of it. I was hoping for something that was going to make things more affordable. I'd never support a plan that mandated participation. Try again.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:13 AM
A review of your early posts doesn't show any support for healthcare reform.
A lot of crying about having to provide it,whining about the costs (I guess you wanted it to be free) but no support for reform.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 10:21 AM
Seriously, what are you talking about? Phil, making stuff up doesn't make an argument. Enjoy the fact that "your side won" and continue to miss the big picture. Just please promise me to open both eyes when you are driving. I don't want you to hurt anyone.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:30 AM
Here are your earliest posts,all related to the healthcare bill at the time.
All anyone has to do is click on the number next to your name to find them.

"Funny how the lawyers in govt don't include tort reform in the bill.

Mr. Bishop, if you continue to take away from the producers of the world they will eventually have no incentive to keep producing. Then what happens???" Nov 11, 09 7:01 PM

For dagdavid

FYI I am a small business owner. This will hurt me ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 10:38 AM
Seem like good posts to me. What's your point exactly?
And while you are cut and paste happy, go luck up President Obama's quotes re. a healthcare mandate prior to Obamacare. Please paste that in here and chew on your shoe in the process.
You are so selective with what you read. It has to fit your preconceived opinion. You are funny, Phil. I always enjoy our little chats.

"This message board is really a microcosm of what is going on w/ our fed govt.
2 sides screaming and insulting ...more
Jun 29, 12 10:53 AM appended by double standard
Should read "look up" not "luck up" Please do that. See what Obama had to say about the mandate. It's eye opening.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:53 AM
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You wouldn't see the hippocracy in your own posts.Nothing constructive,no value added to the conversation,just criticism and ridicule.

Obama didn't design the mandate as a tax-that was the result of the decision by the SCOTUS. But you'll blame Obama,of course. It couldn't possibly be the decision of a conservative judge.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:00 AM
I didn't say he did. What did he say about that mandate though?
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:09 AM
Look it up, Philly. I have to go make some money now. We'll pick this up another time. Let me know what you find on that madate thingy. It's a regular knee slapper.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:11 AM
This a rather unfortunate turn of events, a sad and disappointing day that will mark a pivotal point in our nations history and not one for the better.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 8:36 AM
Like Medicaid?
Like Social Security?
By SHNative (535), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:11 AM
Not a good question,SHNative.
We already know that the right hates social contracts that require them to actually cotribute to society.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:40 AM
Like medicaid: going bankrupt.
Like Social Security: going bankrupt.
Obamacare: $650 billion in new taxes, yay!

Phil: thank you for your view, it is nice to know that you think the time I put into charities and my gifts are as worthless as the taxes I pay and are contributions to society.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Jun 29, 12 11:50 AM
You're welcome.
I don't beleive you anyway.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 12:03 PM
greenspan greenspan greenspan.

why is social security going broke? gross fiscal negligence. there is no trust. all that money was spent on tax cuts, a war, and 20 years of deficit spending.

they are all corrupt, regardless of the party. the longer you let them divide us, the longer it will take to set things right.
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 30, 12 8:41 PM
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Hey, wingnuts, you lose! Now go back to your mommys' basements and watch the world pass you by!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:32 AM
Who won? Describe this victory to me? Was there popcorn and appropriately sized soda?
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:35 AM
The uninsured won.They will now have access to health insurance that will provide well-care and screenings before their health issues escalate.

I have the popcorn amd soda right here;watching all of you hyperventilate about this decision is great entertainment.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 9:45 AM
Ha. Keep following, Phil. The world needs more sheep.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 9:51 AM
Tell me,what's that like?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 10:01 AM
quite a zinger there.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:30 AM
By the way,
HAPPY BIRTHDAY,ROMNEYCARE!
Mit Romney deserves credit for the Affordable Care Act;he gave the President the idea for it and Romney even said that he beleived that the whole country should have it.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 10:32 AM
Cool. I hope you'll support his presidency.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 10:54 AM
No,just his healthcare plan. The one that he was for before he was against.
I guess he shook the etch-a-sketch and changed positions again.

By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:02 AM
Obama - against same sex marriage.
Obama - for same sex marriage
Obama - against a healthcare mandate
Obama - for a healthcare mandate

Why don't you apply the same harsh criticism to those you support? After all, if you hold them in high regard they should earn it. Right? Right? Right. Oh, you hate hate everything Right. Sorry.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:15 AM
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"Obama - against same sex marriage.
Obama - for same sex marriage"

Evolved.

"Obama - against a healthcare mandate
Obama - for a healthcare mandate"

the mandate was the only way to assure that everyone would be required to buy health insurance.Any other way would just leave people uninsured.

Don't think I don't have my critiscisms of Obama,I do.
But I leave them out of re because all the vitriol and hatred puked out by you and ohers here make Obama ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:25 AM
Ahhh yes, we knew this was coming. Post John Kerry, a republican flip flops... a democrat evolves... But the mandate doesn't require everyone to buy health insurance.... there is that pesky religous conscience exemption.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 1:57 PM
The mandate does require everybody to buy insurance.
To take personal responsibility.Are you against that (now)?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:45 PM
Republicans who believe in creationism can't evolve.

They don't believe evolution is a valid theory...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 30, 12 8:10 PM
I know.
I read "Idiot America" ;)
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 30, 12 8:25 PM
Try reading "Ameritopia."
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 1, 12 8:28 AM
Try "Griftopia".

It's far more well written, and the author tends not to use the word "statist" like a child using the word "very" in a 1,000 word essay assignment.

By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 2, 12 6:26 PM
You don't expect cappie to actually read something not written by some bitter right wing zealot that uses the flag as a sheild and accuses everyone else of not being as "American" as he is!
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 6:44 AM
Randy wants to save healthcare and tax breaks for the rich and American jobs for Pakistanis
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 29, 12 10:36 AM
Tim wants to turn the country into a nanny state and have government take care of your every need and send American jobs and tax payer money to China. Glad to see China workers bailing out GM.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:16 PM
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Still parroting the same right wing talking points,we see.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:43 PM
Yeah, Philly. We all know that you are way beyond party talking points.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 30, 12 11:19 AM
I don't need talking points.
I think for myself.
Rush Limbaugh prides himself on 'telling his audience what the news is,then telling them what to think about it."
(That's a direct quote from him)
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 30, 12 8:29 PM
Rush Limbaugh is a blowhard. The first part of your post made me giggle.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 6:59 AM
Rush got tossed off the air in Philly. His market share keeps shrinking so advertising costs less and many advertisers are jumping ship.He's losing in every direction
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jul 1, 12 8:15 PM
Folks, look up Obama's views on a healthcare mandate before Obamacare. There are a number of delightful youtube tidbits to choose from.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 29, 12 11:02 AM
sure.
While you're at ti,look up Romney's views on healthcare.
Then look up his views on the poor.
then,on corporate personhood.
and education.
saving infrastructure.
taxes regarding the rich vs. the poor.
Civil rights
Womens' rights
etc.,etc.,etc.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:22 AM
He's got my vote.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:07 PM
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what did you charge him for it?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 2:50 PM
I gotta go;it's the last day of vacation from my government job and I want to hit the pool.
But don't worry,in August Iet three weeks off- with pay.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 11:28 AM
does you boss know you spend half of your useless day blogging on the internet. I know you are bored at work (because you don't do anything) but I'm sure your job has an employee manual which forbids you from surfing the internet and blogging
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jun 30, 12 8:58 AM
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“[W]e established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance,” Romney wrote in a 2009 USA Today op-ed. “Using tax penalties, as we did … encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jun 29, 12 12:41 PM
you and your pesky facts.....
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 29, 12 12:51 PM
Why am I not surprised that there are well over 100 comments in this thread already? Big issue, very important to both pros and anti's. Thing is, most people aren't paying attention, but when they do, there will come a vague realization that the law is better for them than otherwise, and they'll trend toward Obama and Bishop on that basis.

As a partisan, I'm cheering long and loud, but for the bulk of the people, it's just not a big thing, much as it should be.
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Jun 29, 12 6:54 PM
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Freedom, and anarchy are indeed two different things.

Thanks for that post...
Jun 29, 12 6:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
I mean, "trickle down economics" has worked like a charm, hasn't it?
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 6:58 PM
Barclay's identified in fixing of international banking interest rates (LIBOR).

Randy, CAN YOU STOP THE CORRUPTION!!!!!!

Or, do you subsist on it?
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 6:55 PM
Radical Right Wing Randy, the NJ Carpetbagger, wants insurance for the super rich only. He cares little about college graduates who, under his plan, would no longer be insured under their parent's policies. He also wants to raise the interest rate on student loans and eliminate birth control coverage for women.

Right Wing Randy would like to turn the East End into his favorite place, India, where he ships jobs and millions of people, except the super rich, are without health care.

Stop ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Jun 29, 12 7:05 PM
America. Where our millionaires are jealous of the people on food stamps
By DJ9222 (75), southampton on Jun 29, 12 7:11 PM
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Oligarchy is a term popularly defined on the verge of perception.

When exploitaion defines "freedom" in your society...

How truly lawful is it?
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 29, 12 9:00 PM
Justice Thomas says it's not a mandate, it's a tax and the fed govt has the right to tax. Obama Admin says it's not a tax it's a penalty.Wait, I thought it was a mandate. No wait, I thought it was a tax. Maybe it's all a pile of garbage? Yeah that's it. Garbage!
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jun 30, 12 11:22 AM
ONCE AGAIN L'IL TIMMY IS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S BAD FOR AMERICA!!!!

Guess that makes him a good Demokrat.

Pile on the debt, crush business tax the daylights out of the ones who provide jobs.

STOP THE MADNESS, VOTE RANDY
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on Jun 30, 12 11:46 AM
Randy should be run out of NY-1.....
He made millions Outsourcing godd American jobs to India.
Shame on you for supporting such a man!
By SHNative (535), Southampton on Jun 30, 12 2:20 PM
Tell us bf, what does it mean for your society when 87% of it splits half the earned income in a fiscal year amongst approximately 210 million people? It definitely means that the other 50% of the nation's income is split among about 30 million people.

That kind of disparity IS MADNESS.

Your boy Randy is sponsored by a pair of brothers who make a despot look preferable. They are so "free market", their company is privately held, and not traded on Wall St. I hope for this nation's ...more
Jul 1, 12 12:43 AM appended by Mr. Z
Just so you know, Pittburgh's water is now radioactive because of "fracking". Yes, a radioactive form of Radium has now contaminated groundwater in Pennsylvania, and Ohio thanks to companies like Koch Industries. Don't worry, once they are in the bottled water market, I'm sure they'll give you a discount for your loyalty...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 12:43 AM
"87% of it splits half the earned income in a fiscal year amongst approximately 210 million people"

What's the solution?
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 7:47 AM
A complete change in societal convention, and social conscience. Regulation, and enforcement of the laws on the books, the repeal of Gramm-Leach-Bliley, and the repeal of the Commodities futures modernization Act. The end of "self-policing" in the finance and industry sectors as well. In other words, lawful freedom instead of raging, indifferent, selfish, egotistical, self-interested, self-entitled anarchy.

GOOD LUCK FOLKS!!!!!

I found the Federal Reserve "Changes in U.S. Family ...more
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:44 PM
I understand your point about repealing G/L/B, but in all honesty I have no opinion on CFMA as I never even heard of it until you posted it. So I guess you are no fan of prez Clinton?
My question is if the big financial players contribute to campaigns, then favors are owed. Wealth = power and we don't have either. I doubt those who do are looking to give either away.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 6:48 PM
I do respect Clinton to a point, he has some solid achievements under his belt, but I find it hard to get past the Rose law firm issues, "Troopergate", Vince Foster, and of course the whole Lewinsky deal. They don't call him "Slick Willie" for nothing. But he got snowblinded by "The Committee to Save the World" much like many others.

Money is the lowest common denominator which drives the function of our society. To find the problem, folla' the dolla'. There was a woman named Brooksley ...more
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 8:29 PM
You are a smart guy, you should start a blog. You seem like a man without a party or representation. I empathize. Randy or Tim- I choose pizza. Obamacare or logical and affordable healthcare reform - I choose to voice my opinion and then go for pizza. In the end you can fight the man or save your energy for the things you can control. Well maybe fighting the man a little bit is fun sometimes. Pizza is always great though.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 10:07 PM
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I like pizza.

Especially brick oven pizza...
Jul 2, 12 5:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
I didn't have much time this morning, and it's been a lovely just shy of 12 hour day. I'll think about the blog, social media has gained a foothold in our society. "We" really need to stand up for ourselves and our neighbors. There geuninely are a whole lot of respectable, honorable, hard working people who just aren't making it these days. Plus, they aren't all high school dropouts, drug addicts, single parents, or unwed mothers either. Too many people are a lost paycheck, or medical emergency away from fiscal disaster who don't deserve to be. The only way to stop what's wrong is to stand up, and be heard to right it. Easier said, than done...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 2, 12 5:46 AM
Easier said than done is correct. The problem is that those who are standing up actually hurt the cause and are so polarizing, ie. Occupy and Tea. There are so many problems and so many abuses that I fear it will only change when things decay to the point where there is no longer a choice. Is that where we are headed? I hope not, but just being an average middle class guy with a family is getting harder and harder. I literally can't work any more than I already do. The only thing I ask from my ...more
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 6:33 AM
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You're not the only one who feels the fear of just where the bottom is, and what it could mean.
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 5, 12 7:19 PM
Why are republicans always appear to be so angry? Don't you ever find happiness in your lives or families. You've probably driven your children away with your bitterness and arcane values. Well live your lives and I'll live mine. I'm happy and appreciate everything God gives me
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 30, 12 2:24 PM
You noticed that,too,Bob?
They take great pleasure in saying that they are going to take helth insurance from millions who need it.they're going to take food stamps away from the hungry,they're going to put people out of work and de-fund education. They're no only happy about it,they're practically wetting their pants.
Is that the definition of 'compassionate conservatives'?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jun 30, 12 7:12 PM
Nope. Just tired of supporting others who can't or won't support themselves.
By dnice (1148), Hampton Bays on Jun 30, 12 10:09 PM
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Well then maybe you should stake out the welfare office and take down the license plate numbers of the beemers...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jun 30, 12 10:37 PM
If you haven't read "Deadly Spin" by Wendell Potter, I recommend that you do. The full title is: Deadly Spin: An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans.

As a health care industry former Vice President of corporate communications at CIGNA, he is WELL qualified to speak on the subject.


"Since I walked away as head of communications at a top health insurance company in May 2008, I've worked tirelessly as an outspoken ...more
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 12:33 AM
Do you know how many VP's Cigna has? He's just a bloke looking to make a buck. Probably about as truthful as Keith olberman.

This health care bill is nothing more than an huge expansion of GVT authority.
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 7:55 AM
Read the book, then you have the right to claim that.

Otherwise, your opinion is uninformed, uneducated, horse puckey.
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:46 PM
I like how being against this law, not healthcare reform, but this particular law, makes you an evil person that wants old people want to die and women's ovaries to explode. The drama is so absolutely entertaining in the most ridiculous of ways.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 7:04 AM
The bill has 2700 pages. Does Tim, Randy or anyone posting here really know what they are supporting or critizing?
By kpjc (140), east quogue on Jul 1, 12 7:59 AM
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Well, Tim no doubt voted on it before reading it, that much we know. Tim apparently subscribes to the Nancy Pelosi mindset that “we have to pass it, to know what’s in it.” But two years since passage, it’s been sliced and diced a million ways and exposed for what it is – another encroachment by government into our lives and a means to dictate personal behavior at the expense of personal freedom.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 1, 12 8:53 AM
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KPJC - I have no want or love for the govt to be involved in my life any more than the bare minimum. History has shown that govt programs are usually horrible. That and it is an absolute over-reach for the govt to mandate (sorry, Justice Thomas) healthcare. To add, the Obama Admin has clearly demonstrated gross ineptitude in matters of economics. The man governs by Ideology over logic, thus displaying a scary ability to force his will down our collective throats. He's already shown that he'll do ...more
Jul 1, 12 10:04 AM appended by double standard
er... judge Roberts
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 10:04 AM
to double standard:

Ridiculous. Do you include national defense in your list of "horrible" govt programs? Of course Congress can mandate healthcare, just as it can mandate food safety. The only ineptitude in economics has been manifested by George W. Bush and his colleagues still in Congress. Had the Democrats been able to pass a stimulus package twice the size of the current one, the economy would now be growing vigorously. The logical mind of President Obama is perhaps his most ...more
By highhatsize (1891), East Quogue on Jul 1, 12 10:54 AM
Did I say all govt programs are failures? Are you looking forward to your fair sure of Social Security? You cherry pick National Defense. Do you think Natl defense is run properly? Yeah, no waste there at all. Saying Obamacare "is not perfect, but at least we got something done" with a law of this size, with the amount of dollars attached to it is moronic. Equating food safety to a healthcare mandate equally moronic. For the billionth time, I'm for healthcare reform, but don't accept "any" plan ...more
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 1, 12 11:21 AM
Randy would support the law if it mandated that health insurance cover procedures performed in India (transportation included) where high quality medical care is much, much cheaper. By corporate standards, this would be so much more inexpensive and, ergo, preferable.

It would annihilate millions of U.S. jobs in healthcare but just think of how many new ones it would create in the air travel industry (which could themselves be outsourced!) If history repeats, Randy would carve out a ...more
By highhatsize (1891), East Quogue on Jul 1, 12 10:12 AM
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Now your just being a fool uttering complete nonsense
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:10 PM
You know, razz, you might be right. And here I was, taking the fool seriously. Thanks for the heads-up.
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Jul 1, 12 1:30 PM
Nope razz, he was joking.

As usual, you don't "get it"...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:44 PM
Uggh! So boring ... let's just say I'm not a teacher, a town worker, or a cop ...(which is kind of a town worker - although they refuse to believe it - and which "educators" - teachers - certainly shine through on these blogs) and I own(ed) was/am/are self-employed, perhaps I'm even a small business owner who is so sucessful (we'll leave out the word "greedy" or "exploiter" for now) that I employ others, I'm a: builder, print-shop owner, pool company, landscaper, taxi company, deli or grocery ...more
By Board Watcher (478), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:26 PM
And did I mention - small businesses don't advertise nearly as much in a tanking economy??
By Board Watcher (478), East Hampton on Jul 1, 12 1:33 PM
Someday soon you just might look at these days as the good old times
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jul 1, 12 8:39 PM
Here is a brief analysis from the data in "Changes in U.S. Family Finances Report". I hope you find it as disturbing as I do. Oligarchy. Pure, and simple.


Magic Act: Making the Super Rich Disappear

"The Federal Reserve has once again counted up America’s personal wealth — and omitted the nation’s 400 richest from the final tally. But the new figures, even with that omission, show a divide still deepening.

By Sam Pizzigati

In the middle ...more
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 1, 12 1:53 PM
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So Randy Altschuler wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act that Congress passed and the Supreme Court has just upheld.

So he'd let insurance companies set a dollar limit on the coverage they provide, regardless of how much care the patient needs.

So he'd cut loose young adults (the ones who can't get jobs in the present economy) from their parents' health insurance.

So he'd abandon people with pre-existing conditions to the uninsured crapshoot of their pre-existing ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Jul 1, 12 8:16 PM
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So bishop wants obamacare. A program he initially stated would bankrupt NY state. Prior to obamacare In NY dependents were covered until 25 and until age 29 via a rider. Pre existing conditions were covered if you had existing covrerage. Please tell me how this plan will help us as New yorkers. Per the march CBO report obamacare will increase the medical insurance cost by 2100 per year per family. Many of obama's lies are starting to come to fruition and it will only get worse
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 2, 12 6:39 AM
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Razza asks, "tell me how this plan will help us as New Yorkers." Thing is, it's not just about New Yorkers, razz, and it's not just about those of us who can afford health insurance. It's about everybody, including the 30 million presently uninsured. It's a kind of a moral thing, like what we learned as youngsters about love thy neighbor. As President Obama puts it, "it's the right thing to do."
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Jul 2, 12 1:37 PM
TB - are your rates going to go up, or do you have a job that offers HC Insurance that you don't have to contribute to (and I don't mean 10%)
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 2, 12 2:10 PM
TB,
1. Did it ever occur to you that some people are uninsured because they chose to be?
2. People who are uninsured can not be denied coverage in this country (neither can illegals for that matter).
3. In the states (such as Texas) with the highest uninsured rates the % of people overwhelming do not want this plan.
4. Obamacare is nothing but a giant money grab by insurance companies and big pharma
5. Obama has lied about this plan right from the start. From the transparency ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 2, 12 2:48 PM
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your first 2 points are an illustration as to why we need everyone to be covered under health insurance in this country. I would prefer a single payer medicare for all system, but it was probably politically unobtainable.

People choose not to have insurance, then need emergency medical care or an operation and they can't be denied medical care. They rack up huge medical bills and go bankrupt. Those with insurance end up absorbing the cost of providing the care for the uninsured. This ...more
By C Law (282), Water Mill on Jul 2, 12 3:54 PM
Here's a very good explanation of what's in "Obamacare"I tought it was quite appropriately explained as if told to a five year old.

"Okay, explained like you're a five year-old (well, okay, maybe a bit older), without too much oversimplification, and (hopefully) without sounding too biased:

What people call "Obamacare" is actually the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. However, people were calling it "Obamacare" before everyone even hammered out what it would be. It's ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 2, 12 7:42 PM
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At 21% Medicare, medicaid and CHIP combined amount to the largest annual expense of the budget (with SS and defense a close 2nd). Medicare is one of the largest Ponzi schemes perpetuated by the Federal GVT. It is massivly underfunded (by trillions) and has more coverage gaps than swiss cheese. So C law, highhat, TB and the leading authority on world economics Z are in favor of throwing everyone into single payermedicare system. Medicare is in need of massive reform not expansion.
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 3, 12 8:15 AM
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The problem is that we have a revenue problem.Taxes have been lowered so much that necessary and well-liked programs are in danger.Time to do away with the Bush tax cuts and begin to increase revenue instead of attacking programs for children,the elderly,the poor,the sick and those seeking education.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 4:59 PM
No, it's a spending problem, primarily unsustainable entitlements.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 9:31 AM
No,it's a revenue problem.the rich and corporations need to pay their fair share.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 7, 12 8:51 PM
Glaxo Smith Kline fined 3 BILLION dollars for health care fraud.

Simply stunning...
Jul 2, 12 6:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The bad news is that monetary penalties are not enough to stop rampant fraud... If we want to stop fraud, we need to recover America's stolen billions and we need to make sure that key players lose their jobs, their bank accounts, and their freedom," said Patrick Burns of Taxpayers Against Fraud. "Once the pain is personal and well-timed, the change in conduct in fraudster-companies will be very rapid."
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 2, 12 6:35 PM
Ditto.

Simply stunning ......... [expletives, and references to the next American Revolution, deleted]
By PBR (3990), Southampton on Jul 2, 12 7:20 PM
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Any company that has over 50 employees will now be thinking of moving over seas. We are slowly following Europe with it's entitlements and inability to compete in business and manufacturing. With this new health care bill who will want to become a doctor? I am responsible and pay for my own insurance I don't need big goverment to dictate how I buy insurance.
By chief1 (1108), southampton on Jul 2, 12 8:20 PM
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Yeah, if it failed everywhere else then chances are it fails here too. We are going to find out. If it does begin to fail the govt will wrap it's loving arms around it and "fix" it again by making it single payer.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 9:32 AM
A friend, who is much more creative than I am, has come up with a name for the Republican alternative to what they scornfully call "Obamacare." It is "WeDon'tCare." Not bad.
By Turkey Bridge (1012), Quiogue on Jul 3, 12 11:22 AM
Mitch McConnell
"30 million Americans without health insurance aren't the issue"
the republicans want to repeal but don 't have an alternative.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 12:07 PM
TB - do you pay for or significantly contribute to your healthcare coverage? Will your rates go up once Obamacare is implemented?

Reason I as ask is it really seems to me that those that are the most in favor of Obamacare are the least affected by it. One of my best friends is a really liberal school teacher. He's going GaGa for Obamacare. He even told me how great it will be for women to "get free contraception." Free??? Nothing is free. He can afford to be excited about Obamacare. A ...more
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 1:43 PM
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I'm actually expecting a check back because United Healthcare didn't use 85% of our premiums on our healthcare this year. (as per the law)
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 5:01 PM
Don't worry,no matter what happens,we know you'll apply your "double standard" to it.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 5:04 PM
and another zinger.

Tell me what standard do you apply to things, Phil? My guess is the standard that fits your blind allegiance to your party. Every Shepherd needs his sheep.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 7:34 PM
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Obviously,our standards are not the same.
I would never take away healthcare from those who need it and take pleasure in it. We all have a moral obligation to take care of those who need help.
At least those of us with morals feel we do. I won't try to speak for you,you've illustrated where you stand quite well.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 7:56 PM
Knock it off, Phil. I don't want anyone to suffer. I wish you peace, health and prosperity. I also wish you'd change your politics, but then I'd have no one to fight with. Have a nice 4th of July. We can get back to insulting each other on Thursday.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 10:33 PM
The republican 'plan' propoed in 2009 will cover less than 3 million of the uninsured as compared to Obama's plan which covers more than 30 million.
That meqans that if you want to repeal it,you are willing to let the difference suffer without insurance,and just continue to allow the costs to be shifted o the rest of us because the only way those without will get healthcare will be to go to the emergecy room and the costs will be shited onto us.
At least you want everybody to suffer ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 6:41 AM
Phil, I'll explain this as simply as I can. I don't want anyone to suffer. I want healthcare reform that lowers insurance rates and assists with job growth. The two are tied together. I don't agree with a personal mandate. I don't agree with some of the fat and nonsense. If you see this as a right wing radical point of view then that's your problem. I've never took a political side on this. Your knee-jerk reaction is, and always is, if you are against Obamacare then you must be an evil republican. ...more
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 4, 12 8:34 AM
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"took" = taken.
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 4, 12 8:36 AM
I'll bet that those here who reel against the healthcare law never read it.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 12:08 PM
Yeah, Phil. That's called "Pulling a Pelosi."
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 1:22 PM
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Phil, Phil, Phil.... Romney is coming to town! Romney is coming to town! Aaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! He's going to take your healthcare away! Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 3, 12 4:08 PM
Romney already threw his own healthcare plan away.His plan was the basis for obamacare;that's why he won't talk about anything but repealing it.
He doesn't have a plan,just like the rest of the republican party.
Just take away health insurance from everybody who needs it.
Compassionate conservatism.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 4:51 PM
"He doesn't have a plan,just like the rest of the republican party."

Huh? you posted elements of the plan just a day after this nonsense.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 10:08 AM
Doh!
By double standard (1148), Remsenburg on Jul 5, 12 10:01 PM
That isn't a plan-there are no details and no explanation on how they will pay for it.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 7, 12 6:33 PM
Fantasyland solution is to do away with Union, GVT and employer sponsored health care plans all together. Force each person to take personnal accountability and pay via a flat tax for their own health insurance (low income people would receive subsidies). Insurance coverage standards would be required by the GVT and insurance companies can vie for the business. Allow the products to be sold accross state lines, enact medical malpractice reform, streamline claims process and help the public and ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 3, 12 1:13 PM
I know you didn't read it because,except for selling insurance acreoss state lines (which would mean that the insurance companies could relocate to the states with the fewest regulations,thus skirting requirements like the credit card comapnies do) much of what you spoke of is in there.
The republicans don't have a plan,except to repeal the healthcare law and let hings go back to the way they were
Throw everybody under the bus. That's their plan.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 3, 12 4:48 PM
glad to hear you are in favor of giving up your cushy tax payer paid health care plan and to start paying for it yourself. Glad to hear you want to increase private sector profits,help the economy and remove the burden of providing health benefits to GVT employees. Just think of it no more GVT or employer sponsered healthcare. Everyone is forced to take personal responsibility and buy it on an individual basis through insurance companies. Now that the individual mandate tax is legal this could become ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 4, 12 9:09 AM
Single-payer or medicare for all.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 5:30 PM
Glad agree again Phil. Single payer run by insurance carriers is fine with me using the parameters I listed above. All people (no special interest waivers) pay for it individually via a flat tax on income. No more employer provided healthcare. Profits in private sector will increase, unemployment rate will drop, incomes will increase and GVT debt will decrease. The penalty for not taking it would be a tax so substantial (not 750) that everyone would be forced to do it. This true reform was the idea ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 5, 12 7:00 AM
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Obamacare is the Heritage Foundations plan-and now it's rejected by every republican in the country.
What you're proposing is that the government pay the insurance companies-corporate welfare.There will be no incentive to control prices because the insurance companies will be on the governemnt dole.I don't support a plan that the government doesn't regulate and control directly.Insurance companies can't be trusted,we learned that from our present system.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 7:10 PM
From Politifact-Rated "Mostly True"


"Obama says Heritage Foundation is source of health exchange idea

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EDITOR'S NOTE: An analysis of this comment by President Barack Obama was published on April 1, 2010. After it appeared, the Heritage Foundation's communications office contacted us to argue that our rating of Mostly True was too generous to the president. We did some additional reporting to review our ruling. Our second round of reporting -- primarily ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 7:19 PM
1. No incentive to control prices? How about competition? You are infering that all of the insurance carriers are in collusion with one another. I favor GVT oversight but thats it. One thing is for certain the GVT cant be trusted to run anything more efficiently than the private sector. Medicare is a perfect example. Medicare advantage plans are far more cost efficient and insurance carriers actually turn a profit. Medicare (GVT run) is ripe with fraud and in trillions of dollars in the red. The ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 6, 12 9:26 AM
"One thing is for certain the GVT cant be trusted to run anything more efficiently than the private sector."

I'm sure the armed forces would take issue with that statement.

"To say that the heritage plan and Obamacare are the same is a flat out lie that has been perpetuated by the left. "

No,it's a fact that you can research yourself.You do know how to do that,don't you?
From my above post-

"On numerous occasions, Heritage scholars wrote approvingly of the ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 6, 12 9:50 AM
Phyliss I wont even address your first point comparing defense to healthcare because its just plan idiotic.
Its also not my fault that you cant understand the difference between the heritage plan and Obamacare. The heirtage foundation is a conservative think tank. They are the equivalant to progressnow for the dems. It is true that many parts including the exchange were part of the plan with one huge exception. People must purchase through the exchange individually. NO MORE EMPLOYER sponsered ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 7, 12 8:26 AM
Back to namecalling?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 7, 12 6:31 PM
Here's the republican 'plan' that was proposed in 2009 in opposition to Obamacare.

1-Tort reform (releiving doctors insurance companies of the risk of paying for their mistakes)
2-Selling insurance across state lines. (would allow insurance companies to operate from the states with the fewest regulations,like credit card companies do)
3-High-risk pools. (so sick people can all be gouged in the same place)
4-Grants to state to 'experiment' with their own solutions.

By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 4, 12 7:05 AM
Yup, common sense solutions… the left’s boogey man. All at zero cost to the tax payer. Translation…

1-Tort reform – reducing ambulance chasing style law suits
2-Selling insurance across state lines. – allowing competition to free market to keep prices down.
3-High-risk pools. –reform high-risk pools to guarantee that all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable care – while lowering ...more
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 9:23 AM
Common sense is absent from the republican plan.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 5, 12 7:10 PM
What lacks common sense is mandating a tax if you elect not to buy insurance and gutting the best health care system in the world in the process.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 6, 12 5:56 PM
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Not according to the WHO-we're #37

"World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 10, 12 5:06 PM
Care to defend the 3.8% tax on HOME SALES Phil??!! How in the world is that related to health care?
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on Jul 6, 12 7:06 AM
That's a myth,debunked yeas ago.You really should stop reading and beleiving thoise viral e-mails put out by braindead right wingers who feed on the gullible-like you.
From Factcheck.org-

"Home • Ask FactCheck • A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home? A 3.8 Percent “Sales Tax” on Your Home?
Posted on April 22, 2010

Q: Does the new health care law impose a 3.8 percent tax on profits from selling your home?

A: No, with very few ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 6, 12 7:16 AM
It IS true that Obamacare imposes a 3.8% transaction tax on profits over the capital gain threshold, which could include profits from the sale of a home. Snopes addresses the tax on the sale of your home as false but notes as true the 3.8% capital gain tax.

So, again as bf notes, what does this have to do with health care? More taxes on the middle class by Obama.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 6, 12 5:47 PM
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IF it's a second home.And If you make more than $250,000/single or $500,000/ Married,and the first $250,000/$500,000 is exempt.
Primary residences for those making less than $250,000 are exempt,which mans mst working people/families.
Did you even read it?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 7, 12 6:30 PM
this bill will add billions if not trillions to the debt. someone will evenutually have to pay for it. The smoke and mirror show can only go on for so long
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 7, 12 11:13 PM
You mean like this?

"CEO gets cool $44M severance package for one day of work"

How much severance would you expect after one day on the job? Not a lot, right? Well, the now ex-CEO of Duke Energy Corp., Bill Johnson, is getting up to a cool $44.4 million for his one day at the helm. Johnson had previously been CEO of another energy company that merged with Duke and signed a contract to be Duke's chief officer when the merger took effect. That was July 2. Suddenly, on July 3, he ...more
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 7, 12 11:34 PM
"Did you even read it?"

Aww, but Phil, at first you say it was a myth, now you say "IF"... your debunking has been debunked...

By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 8, 12 8:30 PM
Or like this... the Former chief of Chicago’s the city's community college system, Wayne Watson, will be paid for most of the 500 paid sick days he accrued during the last 10 years of his three-decade-long tenure, netting him an extra $500,000.Watson, who stepped down in 2009, has already received $300,000 of that amount, and is due two more annual payments of $100,000.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 8, 12 8:48 PM
or this...Two years into his reign as Chicago's longest-serving mayor, Richard M. Daley took advantage of the state's convoluted pension system to significantly increase his potential payout while saving $400,000 in contributions.

Daley, a former state senator, made it happen by briefly rejoining the legislative pension plan in 1991. He stayed there just one month before returning to Chicago's municipal pension fund, but the switches made him eligible for benefits worth 85 percent of his ...more
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 8, 12 8:49 PM
Corruption Chicago style.... Hey, isn't Obama from Chicago?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 8, 12 8:52 PM
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No misconception, there IS a tax on the sale of a home, if the owner meets the criteria. How the hell does this equate to healthcare??!!
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on Jul 7, 12 11:34 AM
It works like the 2% transfer tax for the CPF.

Hey, look at my thumb...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 8, 12 5:47 AM
And it's one of the many reasons people are leaving in droves.
Jul 8, 12 8:55 PM appended by Captn America
Z, you can't be serious comparing the CPF which is used to protect land and actually helps keep taxes down and taxes in Obamacare that will go to yet another government entitlement program.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 8, 12 8:55 PM
It's called a "segue".

It's relative because of who the tax applies to.
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 6:19 PM
"Sharing the world has never been humanity's defining attribute. "

~ Patrick Stewart, as Professor Charles Xavier
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 7, 12 11:51 PM
83 Percent of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare
By UNITED states CITIZEN (200), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 10, 12 10:16 AM
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The teabag doctors association.

"The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."[

By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 10, 12 4:49 PM
So you hate the messenger, what about the message?
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 11, 12 11:22 AM
I'll look into the poll-I'll bet that they polled doctors who belonged to their organisation since the AMA supports the ACA.
It isn't all that different from the right creating an organisation opposes to everything the AARP supports.It's all based on deception and misinformation.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 11, 12 4:55 PM
Gee if I didn't know better I'd say you have something against free market competition. People are free to choose (for now at least) membership in any organization they feel represents their views. Believe it or not, some elderly support a balanced budget amendment, repeal of the “death tax” and have a view contrary to typical liberal agenda items supported by AARP. AARP has slowly become a Union for the elderly. Embrace choice Phil, it's not so bad.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 12, 12 9:29 AM
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I'll hug your (republican) elephant when you kiss my (democratic) ass.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 12, 12 7:06 PM
I feel like a broken record but some truths bear repeating. Only in America could a Democratic president pass Mitt Romney’s health plan and fund it partly through John McCain’s best idea from the last campaign (taxing some employer provided plans) and be branded a “socialist.”

~ Matt Miller, The Washington Post
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 10, 12 10:27 PM
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You and Matt are taking "dumbing down" to a whole new level. If States see it to be in their best interest, have at it. Making it a Federal issue is, well, another issue completely and risks bankrupting the country. How is it compassionate or "for the general welfare" to legislate to the point where government programs bankrupt the nation? McCain's proposal would have primarily taxed high incomes and expensive health plans. Obama's taxes every income segment, even middle class.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 11, 12 11:20 AM
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The real dumbing down is the right denying that Obama passed healthcare that came from republicans and the republicans are now trying to convince everybody that it was never their idea.The dumbest of the dumb are beleiving them.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 11, 12 4:53 PM
Kind of like when Obama tells people that the mandate is not a tax then argues to the supreme court that it is a tax then after the ruling says its not a tax. really?? Open door negotions on health care reform, says immigration reform is a top priority yet does nothing, more people on food stamps then ever before, more people collecting GVT disability than ever before, a stagnant job market, and the big threat of " the fiscal cliff" looming. Only the ignorant, unemployed and uneducated would give ...more
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 12, 12 6:04 AM
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How many republicans voted for it in 2009 when it was passed? Yup... zero. Where the idea came from is completely irrelevant. If it is bad for the country at this juncture, that's all that matters. Bankrupting the a country is far from compassionate but the left is hell bent to do it.
Jul 12, 12 9:15 AM appended by Captn America
Correction: 2010
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 12, 12 9:15 AM
This country is already bankrupt.

The market just hasn't noticed yet...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 12, 12 6:21 PM
It does matter where it came from-the republicans have no plan,and the ACA was designed to be bi-partisan due to the fact that most of it was derived from republican ideas-including the mandate that was recommended by the Heritage Foundation that Romney has in his plan in Massachussetts.
As for ignorance and and uneducated,what we've seen is that the opposition has made sure that it used that to assure republican opposition to the plan-stayiong on familiar territory since it's clear that as ...more
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 12, 12 7:03 PM
Z said the country is bankrupt and the market hasnt noticed. Well neither has Obama. With the country ready to drop off the fiscal cliff and against the CBO recomendation Obama aims to increase taxes and has done nothing to reign in spending. In fact he has done just the opposite. As of July 1 the GVT has recorded almost a 1 trillion dollar defecit. He has done zero to address the three major GVT expenditures. His only accomplishment (if you want to call it that) Obummercareis a ticking time bomb
By razza5350 (1507), East Hampton on Jul 12, 12 8:29 PM
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Phil wrote: "the republicans have no plan"

Well which is it, they do or don't? On the one hand you say they don't, but then you post laundry list criticisms of it. Must have been the other philathome.
By Captn America (3460), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 2:57 PM
They are going to throw millions at the mercy of healthcare companies.A return to what we had before.
That isn't a plan.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 6:10 PM
Game Changer....ROMNEY NARROWS VP CHOICES; CONDI EMERGES AS FRONTRUNNER!!!!!
NICE!!!!!!!
LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT.
Call me a raciest now Little Phil !
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Jul 13, 12 6:25 AM
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Perfect.
Another Palin.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 6:11 PM
Think she'll warn us about another mushroom cloud?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 6:13 PM
Actually,she'll finally have to answer a lot of questions,but this is just a ploy to distract from Romney's Bain pain.
It is refreshing that he is considering someone who is both proaffirmative action and pro-choice.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 6:21 PM
Well, she's no Victoria Woodhull.

This should be interesting...
Jul 13, 12 6:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, thanks for the pen. I think...
By Mr. Z (5605), North Sea on Jul 13, 12 6:30 PM
So because Joe likes Condileeza Rice he isn't a racist?
sorry,read your previous posts.It'll take more than that to convince me.
and others.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 14, 12 9:46 PM
No, she doesn't have a disabled child you and your liberal cohorts can use as a punchline, Mr. Motyka.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jul 14, 12 10:23 PM
Phil: Do you really believe the drivel you spout here, or are you just making rediculous statements to get a reaction?
By bigfresh (1066), north sea on Jul 13, 12 6:32 AM
The pro choice thing is upsetting and god the time for Affirmative action is long gone. She has recently said it is a contributing factor in keeping people of color dependent on government and it divides the country even more....and she is correct there are no more African Americans its time we are all just American. We should be judged by our actions not the color of our skin . Right? Personal responsibility is the key.
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Jul 13, 12 10:21 PM
She isn't a serious candidate.It's a distraction Romney is using while he tries to explain why he says he left Bain in 1999 but remained its CEO and solestockholder while attending board meetings until 2002.
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 13, 12 10:36 PM
your azz
By joe hampton (1629), south hampton on Jul 14, 12 9:41 PM
So,where's the anouncement of her running wth Romney?
By philathome (7746), Southampton on Jul 18, 12 7:01 PM
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