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Aug 24, 2012 9:33 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Biden Visits For Fundraiser, Says Election Is Choice Of 'Fundamentally Different Paths'

Aug 28, 2012 3:27 PM

Almost four years to the day after President Barack Obama picked him as his running mate, Vice President Joe Biden spoke to supporters at a fundraiser for the president in Bridgehampton on Friday afternoon.

The fundraiser was held at the Ocean Avenue home of Ellen Chesler and Matthew Mallow. Mr. Biden was joined by his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, and their granddaughter, Finnegan Biden. Other prominent guests included the actor Nathan Lane, musician James Taylor, U.S. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Frank Lautenberg, and U.S. Representative Tim Bishop.

About 300 people attended the outdoor event, according to a campaign official. Tickets ranged in price from $500 for youth to $10,000.

Mr. Biden, who was introduced by his wife, spoke on a range of issues, focusing mainly on the economy, jobs and the challenge of working with Republicans in Congress. He spoke of a need for the country’s middle class to be expanded, and he painted a picture of the harsh economic realities that many people are facing in today’s economy.

“There’s a lot of people going to bed tonight staring at the ceiling, wondering whether they’re going to be living in that house a month from now,” he said. “There’s a whole hell of a lot of people who’ve made that longest walk up a short flight of stairs to their kids’ bedrooms, saying, ‘Honey, we can’t live here anymore.’ And most of these people lost it all through no fault of their own. None.”

Mr. Biden, who was chosen by President Obama as his running mate on August 23, 2008, defended the president’s economic record. He said the president has made some “tough decisions,” and that the private sector has been averaging a growth of about 150,000 jobs a month for the last 29 months.

“You know it’s not enough,” he said. “We know it’s not enough.”

The vice president also said the country is “at a hinge of history.” Republicans, he said, “basically totally obstruct anything that would help the country.” He stressed that Republicans have made it crystal clear what they intend to do, referring to Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s budget plan, a package that he quoted his friend, former President Bill Clinton, as calling “the previous eight years on steroids.”

“And they characterize themselves as bold and gutsy and new,” Mr. Biden said. “I don’t see anything bold about seeing to it that you all get an additional tax break beyond what’s there, while at the same time you eviscerate Medicare. I don’t see what’s gutsy about going out there and deciding that you’re going to knock 19 million people, 200,000 kids, off of Medicaid and Head Start. I don’t see what’s bold and gusty. I don’t see what’s new.”

He stressed that November will mark a decision for voters between two starkly different futures for America.

“We’re going to make a decision at this election about choosing two fundamentally different paths,” Mr. Biden said. “Fundamentally different. And I am absolutely, I am completely certain that if we have an opportunity to continue the path we moved on that this country is going to reach new heights and new capacities far beyond anything in its history.”

Mr. Lane opened the event, poking fun at Republicans, namely presidential candidate Mitt Romney, and also directing a few barbs at Mr. Biden.

“Welcome to Joe Biden, unchained,” he began, referring to a recent comment Mr. Biden made in Virginia to an audience largely made up of African-Americans.

“I’m here to welcome all of you to someone else’s home,” Mr. Lane continued. “Please, on your way out, feel free to go through the medicine cabinet and take whatever you need. Or, as Republicans call it, our plan to save Medicare.”

He mentioned that actress Edie Falco, a co-host, couldn’t be at the fundraiser with him because she was filming “Nurse Jackie,” a Showtime series. “I love ‘Nurse Jackie,’” he said. “She can’t get through the day without Vicodin, Adderall, Percocet, Xanax and Oxycodone­—which, oddly enough, also happens to be the names of Mitt Romney’s five children,” he said.

The audience laughed, and he continued to make cracks at Mr. Romney and his recently announced running mate, U.S. Representative Paul Ryan. He pointed out that Mr. Romney is fluent in French, so “he can flip-flop in two languages,” and criticized Mr. Ryan’s approach to fixing Medicare: “I think his precise words to Medicare were ‘I’ll fix you, my pretty,’ as he rode off on his broom,” Mr. Lane said.

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Can't wait to see Ryan dismantle him in a debate.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Aug 25, 12 10:05 AM
RYAN DOESN'T NEED CHEAP -HATEFILLED JOKES...HE IS A FIRST CLASS MAN.
And if everyone notes...look at the article that is listed after on MORE ARTICLES "Bishop On Defense After Claims Of Unethical Campaign Solicitations"....if the two of these combined articles from a liberal paper like 27 east don't convince you of the men Obama,Biden and Bishop are you'll never know.
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 25, 12 10:11 AM
Oh...I made a mistake to my brother this mourning ...."I thought Joe Biden used the low class supposed joke about Romneys children."...sorry it just came from a cheap so called comedian---Nathan---and like uneducated ex-teacher turned comedian Joy B.....
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 25, 12 10:05 AM
I don't see 27 east censoring your opinion and giving a forum to express that opinion. Not that your opinions are worth anything.
By Mets fan (439), Southampton on Aug 25, 12 2:50 PM
... Ryan might be more effective in a debate than Biden, if you subscribe to Ryan's politics. Most voters don't. But the problem for Repubs is that Ryan is a better candidate than Romney. Tough situation in a presidential election.

Obama will rip Romney a new one when they debate. It's time to put the fluff and the rhetoric and hair dye away. Fact vs. fantasy.
By William Rodney (288), southampton on Aug 25, 12 10:46 AM
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Only if he has a teleprompter.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Aug 25, 12 10:56 AM
RON PAUL = REAL CHANGE
By louse pt. (118), springs on Aug 25, 12 4:31 PM
Keep holding on to that thought.
It's over. It was over sometime last fall for Mr. Paul in case you didn't notice.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Aug 26, 12 10:25 AM
Just announced in the press -- Biden has cancelled trips to Florida for Monday and Tuesday because of Isaac.

Is he still here, does anyone know?

Will the traffic be nuts some place if he is still here?
By PBR (4462), Southampton on Aug 25, 12 7:48 PM
Well Joe knows best... after all, the San Francisco Giants did win the Super Bowl last year - Joe called it
By Mr. Snerdley (148), Southampton on Aug 25, 12 9:53 PM
Why wasn't I invited?
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Aug 25, 12 10:57 PM
Joe "Bite Me" Biden is a heartbeat away from presidency. How scary is that thought? How does a guy like him get to that position?
By kpjc (157), east quogue on Aug 26, 12 6:41 AM
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So funny none of you Dems or Republicans realize both parties are the same. The VP flies in on his Boeing 767 along with the support planes carrying the limos and his entorage. Then he heads to Bridgehampton with a motorcade of 30 cop cars and 20 motorcycle cops to a 10k a plate dinner with the rich and famous. After arriving he gives his speech about the poor people losing their homes and scraping dollars together. Does anyone know what he is talking about at this fundraiser? Does anyone even care? ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Aug 26, 12 7:38 PM
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boohoo
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Aug 27, 12 5:20 PM
yeah yeah Phil the dems have your well being in their future political moves. They have money in their future and how much they can raise to help their rich supporters. Just like their Republican counter parts. Come on Phil wake up.
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Aug 28, 12 12:54 AM
There has to be another Teddy Roosevelt out there somewhere...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 7:10 PM
It was nice to see good old Uncle Joe on his best behavior, they must had gotten his meds right and kept him away from the booze.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Aug 27, 12 11:50 AM
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After the event, Joe got back on the LIRR, switched at Jamaica, and headed back to DC.

Wonder if he had time to get in a round of golf at Shinnecock or the National? Or take a swim at the Bathing Corporation? Nah, probably not!
By kidblast (6), Hampton Bays on Aug 27, 12 12:06 PM
Can Biden and Barry run on their records of "achievements" and success? Please do, that's a guarantee of one term, thank God!
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Aug 28, 12 6:33 AM
Onward liberal solider! Ignore the unemployment rate, record debt and scandals they have created.
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Aug 28, 12 8:56 AM
Thank goodness we have you to enlighten us.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Aug 28, 12 10:12 PM
Oh, another study. How novel.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Aug 30, 12 7:28 PM
@ dnice:

I think my next read will be "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. Seems like the same M.O. here in America during the last thirty years...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 8:38 PM
Phil you sound so ignorant rooting on your left counter parts. If you didn't show with your 10k at an Obama fundraiser they don't know your name and can care less who you are. This country is failing Im not saying Romney is the best choice but at least he has accomplished something in the real world. What did Obama ever do? By the way that stupid study you are qouting is ridiculous considering the dot com bubble was on Clintons watch and melted down months after he left office. The banking bubble ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Aug 29, 12 7:28 AM
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Surprisingly the study encompasses 80 years. The only one on that list that represents our generation is Clinton. The very man who repealed the Glass Steagal Act. I think we all know how the occupy movement people feel about that one. Facts are Facts. With Obama/Biden its true the stock market has done well by artifically propping it up with tax payer dollars but we have record debt, record defecit levels, and a higher unemployment rate that when he took office. The stopage of work for welfare is ...more
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Aug 29, 12 9:12 AM
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Obstructing Obama's attempts to drive us more quickly into bankruptcy is the duty of those who have sworn to uphold the constitution. Thank God , if our Marxis in Chief was allowed to do what he wants, we'd be in the same boat as Greece economically and heading towards a Cuban stye communist dictatorship Komrade.
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Aug 29, 12 3:48 PM
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Well, here's a news flash for you. This country, it's original structure, and it's Constitution was founded upon the ideals of Egalitarianism. Here's a little history lesson for you, courtesy of my friends at Reclaim Democracy:

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country's founders retained ...more
Sep 1, 12 7:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
Do you even know what a "borer" is? It's the original 19th century term describing what would eventually become a "lobbyist". They didn't exist before the Civil War.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 7:14 PM
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I'll just tack this on for good measure:

One of the most severe blows to citizen authority arose out of the 1886 Supreme Court case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad. Though the court did not make a ruling on the question of "corporate personhood," thanks to misleading notes of a clerk, the decision subsequently was used as precedent to hold that a corporation was a "natural person."

From that point on, the 14th Amendment, enacted to protect rights of freed slaves, ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 7:37 PM
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Biden coming practically closed EH airport for many hours (and I amNOT a fan of the airport) but even dead people know you cannot land a 767 there hence the big motorcade and according to a NY paper MANY upset guests, passing out from the heat, etc. waiting for Biden to show and he was several hours late. this is the man who would take over tomorrow if a tragic event happened? I hope not.
By xtiego (362), bridgehampton on Aug 29, 12 4:58 PM
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Phil now I a am positive you are a complete moron. Do you really think a jobs bill costing hundreds of billions will produce any permanent jobs? It was a waste before and stimulus bills have cost trillions. Get rid of entitlements for the lazy of the world. I read all your so called statistics of the OBama administration that you quote, You forgot one which is the highest amount of people on public assistance growing at the fastest rate of any administration,
Then you try too convice us a ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Aug 29, 12 9:30 PM
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I would surmise her most recent meal would be carried in her stomach. I had hoped we would one day evolve beyond belief in an "invisible man in the sky". It would seem I won't live to see that at the rate society is going.

I took biology many years ago, but as I recall sentience begins somewhere between 24 - 30 weeks. Before that, you could culture the same zygote/blastocele in a petri dish just like bacteria, or even algae. There comes a point where that culture in a lab can't survive ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 9:04 PM
The Radical Right as exemplified by Todd Akin. He learned a different type of human biology than we did in SHS. So who do you believe? The base that has overtaken the Republican party, or intelligent people who took this country and turned it around. The Republican party cannot duck this The Republican policies brought us to the brink. They OWN it.
By summertime (532), summerfield fl on Aug 30, 12 10:02 AM
Do a little research of who brought us to the brink. The great depression was caused by banks comingling money into investments, basically taking depositors money and gambling with it. During the depression they made the glass Stegal act which prohibited this behavior forever. In Clintons infinite wisdom he thought it was good for banks to be involved in the financial markets with the depositors money. So he abolished the act and once again the casino was open and the gambling began causing the ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Aug 30, 12 10:13 AM
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The derivatives market is a shadow economy that is no better than a casino, or racetrack. In fact, the average derivative contract is structurally no different than a racetrack bet. That would explain why they had to legislate that such trades are exempt from gaming laws.

Anyone want to call Canada? I need to short, and drive down the price of a security...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 1, 12 7:45 PM
Summertime, you are so misinformed it is tragic. Clinton OWNS it, as chief1 said. Check your facts. Clearly, Akin is an idiot, no-one is disputing that. I doubt you would find a Republican who agrees with his view.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Aug 30, 12 7:21 PM
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Summertime, you need to get your head out of the sand and actually do some research before you put your ignorance on display for all to see with baseless statements such as this one.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 1, 12 1:30 PM
Birth Certificate
Conspiracy theories have run rampant with Obama’s mystery regarding his origin of birth. Most of the questions were started under his own Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, during the Democratic Primaries. Called, “Birthers” by the liberal news media as a means to discredit them, these people eventually succeeded in pushing Obama to release his long form birth certificate only to find out through an investigation of the Maricopa Police Department that ...more
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 1, 12 2:32 PM
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...more the document was a fake. Recently it was discovered that Obama had been a citizen of Indonesia when raised by his mother abroad. What is all this?? Obama has spent millions to keep his college transcripts sealed among other things. What is he hiding? There has been no definitive conclusion to this investigation. No court will touch it and no member of Washington on the Hill will consider it; the political fallout is too great. We may never know. This is either the biggest misunderstanding ...more
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 1, 12 2:32 PM
Regardless of where, or when a child is born, children of U.S. citizens are U.S. citizens. Children born outside the United States with at least one U.S. citizen parent have birthright citizenship by parentage.

Was Obama's mother a United States citizen?
Sep 2, 12 7:39 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, yes the "exception" clauses are messy...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 7:39 AM
Wow Joe, you dare question Barak The Almighty and His on't you realize that He's infallable and above the questions of mere mortals?! Get ready for the leftist's standard cry of RACISM reserved for anyone who dares question the Chosen One.
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 1, 12 5:49 PM
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In 1992 Romney basically pulled the "Blazing Saddles" routine. That is, "Hold it! Next man makes a move, the ******* gets it! "

He basically threatened to put a gun to his own company's head, so the FDIC would forgive the millions in debt he owed to the failed Bank of New Englandt. It was your basic Kobyashi Maru, and the FDIC made out better if they forgave the debt, than if they allowed him to pay out the millions in cash on hand as bonuses. Bain should have gone under in 1992, but ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 7:13 AM
Z, I know you were really torn about who you were going to vote for. Glad to see you finally made up your mind. I know it was probably a very difficult decision.
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 2, 12 8:11 AM
Yeah, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

You dolt...
Sep 2, 12 8:18 AM appended by Mr. Z
Did you sign the petition to convince him to run as an Independent? I did...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 8:18 AM
Hey razza, Romney's story about rewarding failure gets even better:

Mitt Romney’s Bain still got paid, even when its acquisitions were floundering.

"In a typical private-equity fragging, Bain put up a mere $18 million to acquire KB Toys and got big banks to finance the remaining $302 million it needed. Less than a year and a half after the purchase, Bain decided to give itself a gift known as a 'dividend recapitalization.' The firm induced KB Toys to redeem $121 million ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 11:27 AM
1. Did Romney do anything illegal?
2. Was he charged with a crime?

If the answer is no and no then he is merely taking advantage of the screwed up laws and tax codes we have in place. His lawyers and tax advisors seem to have earned their pay.

By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 2, 12 12:12 PM
Well then, if you want more screwed up laws, amoral business practices, and fiscal predators, go ahead and pull the lever for him.

Me, I've got other plans.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 1:30 PM
While we can't legislate morals, you figure they don't count at all razza?
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Sep 2, 12 2:47 PM
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"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, or gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulatoin back again to society from whence the whole came."

~ Thomas Paine

"You didn't build that."
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 8:22 PM
Stick that. We all have an equal opportunity within that society... Its just some of us work harder and do a better job of figuring out how manage the risk of being successful in a capitalist society than others, and after years of sacrifice and 110 hour work weeks when we do finally make it we should reap the rewards not be punished for our hard work by being required to give most of it back to the collective.
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 3, 12 1:01 AM
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Oh Yes! We did build that!

And trying to defend that horrible dishonest statement is what is going to bring down this evil empire.
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 3, 12 1:03 AM
The greater your fortune,
The greater your wealth,
The greater your debt to society.

So much fear, and so much anger in you joe. As I recall, those are the dark emotions which lead to hate. Even Carl Sagan wrote in Contact the above belief via the character S.R. Hadden. What you unfortunately fail to realize is that it shouldn't be as hard as you describe. What this country has become, and it's departure from it's Egalitarian roots is what gave cause for those "110 hour work ...more
Sep 3, 12 5:58 AM appended by Mr. Z
"You're an interesting species, an interesting mix. You're capable of such beautiful dreams and such horrible nightmares. You feel so lost, so cut off, so alone, only you're not. See, in all our searching, the only thing we've found that makes the emptiness bearable is each other." ~ The Alien, in "Contact"
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 5:58 AM
MR, Z...Here is another movie quote for you,

GET OFF MY LAWN!
By 27dan (1249), Southampton on Sep 3, 12 2:58 PM
SO, you're saying you're a crotchety old man?
Sep 3, 12 4:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, moreover a crotchety old man, who finally, hopefully learned in his last moments that hate, regret, guilt, and lonliness are no way to live?
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 4:13 PM
he won't release them because he is hiding his real history isn't it obvious to anyone that has a half a brain
By 27dan (1249), Southampton on Sep 2, 12 10:24 AM
You are obfuscating the facts as you always do, little man
By 27dan (1249), Southampton on Sep 3, 12 3:00 PM
Z, It seems to me that Barack Obama is not qualified to be president for the following reason:
Barack Obama is not legally a U.S. natural-born citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth, which falls between "December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986.
Presidential office requires a natural-born citizen if the child was not born to two U.S. citizen parents, which of course is what exempts John McCain though he was born in the Panama Canal. US Law very clearly stipulates: ...more
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 2, 12 2:57 PM
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You are missing the point.

Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Hawaii was a state then. Therefore, he was born "in" the United States of America, and is a citizen.

Period.

End of discussion.

Assuming the language you have above is accurate, it does not apply to someone born "in" the USA.

His parents could have been from Mars or Uranus . . .
By PBR (4462), Southampton on Sep 2, 12 3:51 PM
Well, you obviously have no idea whatsoever who Obama's mother was, that's for sure. Brilliant doctor, a weaver, and a brilliant thesis to earn her doctorate. "Surviving against the Odds: Village Industry in Indonesia". You should read it sometime.

His mother was born in Wichita, Kansas by the way, and Hawaii was a state at the time of his birth, so via the Fourteenth Amendment he was born on American soil. Check out the story over at Snopes if you can take it. You know what the wonderful ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 7:54 PM
Please tell me you aren't serious in your belief of such trash. Please.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Sep 3, 12 6:46 AM
This was from the Playboy interview with Norman Mailer a few years back, which I thoroughly enjoyed:

"I think a nation's greatness depends to a real extent on how well-spoken it's citzens are. Good things develop out of a populace that really knows how to use language, and use it well."

"As a language deteriorates-becomes less eloquent, less metaphorical, less salient, less poignant-a curious deadening of the human spirit comes in."


"America has shifted from being ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 2, 12 8:02 PM
Thanks for proving the point that dissent isn't tolerated Phil. The leftists are all for free speach as long as they agree with what's being said. Playing the race card every time someone questions Barak the Almighty is a classic Demokrat strategy and no longer matters to most people. You have overplayed that hand. Colin Powell, Condaleeza Rice, Herman Cain and Colonel West , would you support any of them Phil?
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 3, 12 7:57 AM
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So Phil, if you don't agree to support the above mentioned African American politicians you are a racist. See how anine the race game is?
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 3, 12 10:25 AM
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"anine"?

Looks like Norman Mailer was right.

Thanks bigfresh...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 4:30 PM
All you Obama bashing characters out there do realize that at the end of Bush's presidency, the debt was projected to rise at the rate of about 1 trillion dollars per year, as the fallout from his fusion bomb style policies came raining back down, right?
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 5:06 PM
His major promises were as follows.

Close Gitmo
Stop Iraq and Afgan wars
Cut the debt in half
Cut unemployment

Which one has he been successful in?

48 million on public assistance a record Mr obama good job.

MR Z I know its all Bush's fault he hasnt been in office for 4 years but its his fault. your a clown


By chief1 (1671), southampton on Sep 3, 12 7:30 PM
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Actually, I'm not a clown.

Unfortunately you are too obtuse to wrap your mind around what the cost of the "crash" is, and it's long term effects which include the bills coming due on an unfunded war, tax cuts at the worst possible time, and using the Social Security coffers to help pay for those tax cuts. Bush's legacy simply drags on, and we can't unspend what that adminstration did to put us in hock.
Sep 3, 12 8:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
You want to know how to get us out of this recession? Eliminate the unelected power brokers, repeal the 2000 CFMA, repeal the GLBA, and reinstate Glass-Steagall for starters. Also, undo the hack job that was done on the Commodites and Exchange Act of 1936. Give the CFTC the authority they are SUPPOSED to have over the derivatives market, put back in order out former progressive tax system (including a higher rate on capital gains) and maybe things will start to get better. The more our progressive structure of taxes has been hacked away at, the worse thngs have become. This country has lost it's founding Egalitarian ideals, that's for sure. There is a story of how unlimited Charter, and corporate power have destroyed the ideals this country was originally founded upon at Reclaim Democracy. Go to the bottom of the home page, and click on "hidden history of corporations in America". And, if you don't bother to read it, don't bother to post in my regard.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 8:26 PM
Bush Legacy drags on? Who abolished Glass Stegall? Who was in office for the dot com bubble? Who's poor security caused 911? All Clinton mistakes. The liberals are wrecking this country they are so far removed from the beliefs of our founding fathers. Mr Z I think you just copy thing to this site and don't realize what you are saying.
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Sep 4, 12 1:42 AM
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Let's see, Reagan's massive defecit spending, which he used a Social Security tax increase to finance. The elder Bush's "read my lips".

Who do you think pushed Clinton, and Congress? Unelected power brokers. Bankers had been trying to repeal Glass-Steagall for DECADES. Congress blinked and abolished Glass-Steagall on Clinton's watch, but he did have the choice not to sign it. CONGRESS has to pass a bill, before it gets to the President's desk though a possible veto is the POTUS' responsibility.

Like ...more
Sep 4, 12 6:00 AM appended by Mr. Z
Also, you can borrow my copy of Warriner's anytime you like. In fact, I recommend that you study it cover, to cover. It would help with you lack of skill with pronouns versus possessives.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 4, 12 6:00 AM
I'm very sorry if I am not the skilled intelect that you advertise you are. I write most of thes posts from a mobile phone with a small screen so I apologize for the mistakes. Your classic education that you claim is nothing more than a liberal view which you think is superior. In fact it is everything that our founding fathers were against. This country was built by hard work and ingenuity not the free be's and hand outs from a president of questionable morals.
Mr Z continue taking excerpts ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Sep 4, 12 10:44 AM
Well to be frakly honest a good social safety net is not a bad thing. Those who abuse it often out of ignorance, or some misdirected sense of vengeance, or "getting even" are the problem. Our problem is abuse, not the fact that we have one. It is simply not policed very well. There are many countries who have properly functioning social safety nets. However in those cases the mentality of the citzenry is radically different than ours. The majority of them understand that it is a social contract, ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 4, 12 5:05 PM
You're gonna love this. An old friend of mine found it...

"My religion is just Ayn Rand's philosophy with ceremony, and ritual added."

~ Anton LaVey, founder of the Church of Satan

"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am, and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are. It's inspired me so much that it's required reading in my office for all my interns and staff."

~ Paul Ryan

Listen only an pseudo-intellectual, ...more
Sep 3, 12 8:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, as a fellow alumnus of mine so aptly pointed out, Rand was not only an atheist, she believed in abortion...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 8:43 PM
Z, stop demonizing the Church of Satan :-P
By Brian Bailey (36), Southampton on Sep 4, 12 5:09 PM
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<-------a pseudo-intellectual, ...more self important, self aggrandizing, bloviating blowhard

Who does that sound like.
By They call me (1255), southampton on Sep 3, 12 9:36 PM
Awwww, you learned how to use Photoshop!
Sep 4, 12 11:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
Apparently not very well though, as upon closer inspection you failed to adjust the dimensions on the technical drawing per your modifications.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 11:20 PM
FYI, here's Ayn Rand's catchphrase:

My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

Here's mine, and yes I did "coin" this:

The greater your fortune,
The greater your wealth,
The greater your debt to society.

Which do you find less "bloviating"? And, by the way, how is Hilton Head?
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 3, 12 11:35 PM
Obama reminds me of the football play executed by jim Marshall. For those of you to young to remember Jim was a defensive tackle for the Vikes. In the game Jim picks up a fumble and proceeds to run the wrong way. Thinking he scored a TD he then threw the ball into the stands.
Unemployment over 9%, gas prices doubled, family median house hold income down almost 10%, 16 trillion in debt, almost a 1 trillion dollar defecit, more people on food stamps and dependent upon the GVt than ever before. ...more
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 4, 12 11:23 AM
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Here's the list of those responsible for that debt, in no particular order:

Alan Greenspan, Ayn Rand, Robert Rubin, Tiimothy Geithner, David X. Li, Ben Bernanke, William Jefferson Clinton, George W. Bush, Timothy Blankfein, Robert Khuzami, Richard "Dick" Fuld, Joe Cassano, Angelo Mozzilo, Drexel Burnham Lambert, Charles Keating, Jamie Dimon, Phil Gramm, Wendy Lee Gramm , Jim Leach, Thomas J. Bliley, Walter Lukken, Kenneth Lay, Jeffery Skilling, Andrew Fastow, Bernard Ebbers, Scott Sullivan, ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 4, 12 5:48 PM
How in the world do you present a list like this without the following key players.

HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd

By They call me (1255), southampton on Sep 4, 12 9:25 PM
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Phil, you are delusional if you think this is a republican problem. It is a politics problem.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 4, 12 10:04 PM
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@ TCM:

"...et al., et al., et al."
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 5, 12 2:40 AM
How are you liberals going to feel when Obama loses, and I really think he is going to? Do you really think Obama has done an effective job or do just want a Democrat in office, regardless of his qualifications?
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 4, 12 5:29 PM
Street vendors across downtown Charlotte are selling posters and artwork depicting President Obama as Jesus Christ and a fulfillment of prophecy.

One poster features an image of the president in prayer with the headline, “Prophecy Fulfilled.”
By Undocumented Democrat (879), southampton on Sep 4, 12 10:17 PM
Lets take him out to the middle of lake Michigan and see if he can walk back.
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 4, 12 10:30 PM
<------- If you honestly care about the country you will see this movie before you vote
By 27dan (1249), Southampton on Sep 4, 12 10:03 PM
Didn't D'Souza work for Reagan?

The President who was Donald Regan's puppet, raised the Social Security tax, and spent every dime of that extra cash on defecit spending, leaving us with the highest debt to GDP ratio since World War II? The same ratio that crept up a little more during the elder Bush's term due to the war in the Persian Gulf?

Sure, he's member of the "fiscal conservatve" elite...
Sep 5, 12 3:04 AM appended by Mr. Z
This is the same guy who said liberals were responsible for 9/11. You should really research who you're listening to. His opinions on feminism are enlightening. From Wiki: The book was criticized in major American newspapers and magazines and called, among other things, "the worst nonfiction book about terrorism published by a major house since 9/11" and "a national disgrace." D'Souza's book caused a controversy in the conservative movement, invoking a barrage of attacks back and forth between D'Souza and his conservative critics who widely mocked the thesis of his book, that the cultural left was responsible for 9/11. In response to his critics, he posted a 6,500-word essay on National Review Online, and NRO subsequently published a litany of responses from conservative authors who accused D'Souza of character assassination, elitism and pseudo-intellectualism.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 5, 12 3:04 AM
I've taken some time to look into D'Souza, and from what I can see he is one serious conspiracy theorist. Review after review, critic after critic all say just about the same thing. He creates a thesis, and spins his project to reflect it which is the exact opposite of responsibly, empiricallyl, vetting your hypothesis.

The guy is a borderline hack, who even had the audacity to state that, and I quote: "Marriage does not civilize men. Women do. This point is even evident in the gay community: ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 5, 12 5:09 PM
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Well, if you really want a film everyone should see before this election, "Ethos" would be my flick of choice, with I.O.U.S.A. a close second.
Sep 6, 12 4:02 AM appended by Mr. Z
Also, if you want to "know him", Google Obama's speech from the 2004 DNC. If that doesn't grant you any insight, NOTHING will.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 4:02 AM
Z Said... If you think that government spending is the reason Greenspan printed so much cash over the course of twenty years, you truly and genuinely have no idea what has gone on.

I SAY! Here is the truth of what went on MR Z


Bill Clinton’s Democratic Convention speech tonight will no doubt be loaded with references to his great economic achievements as president, plus warnings that a vote for Mitt Romney will be a vote to return to the economic disaster of the Bush ...more
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 5, 12 9:20 PM
And now you know... THE REST OF THE STORY
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 5, 12 9:21 PM
And here's the REST, rest of the story.

Men including Rubin, Geithner, and Greenspan felt that they could successfully create, and run a fiat currnecy economy. Y'know, the same type Germany created in the post WW I Weimar Republic.

They believed that through modern technology (computerization) it could be run effectively and proceeded to print a s***load of money. In 1986, the worth of M2 (money supply) was approximately 2.2 quadrillion dollars. By 1998, the Fed had printed ...more
Sep 6, 12 3:41 AM appended by Mr. Z
And you forgot Countrywide (Fannie, and Freddie DID NOT do it alone, not even close), the shadow banking system, David X. Li's Gaussian copula, speculation, NINJA loans so corrupt lenders could make huge commisions via fraud (thousands, upon thousands of bit lenders engaged in this), ARMs which were originally a "wealthy" person's product (think banker who gets huge year end bonus), and certainly not last, or least mortgage underwriting standards were flushed down the proverbial toilet. It was fraud on an unprecedented scale, and all enabled by a banking system, independent and more powerful than our United States government.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 3:41 AM
Just saw Clinton's speech.

He destroyed the GOP.

"We're all in this together", works alot better than "you'e on your own".
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 4:12 AM
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Slick willie could always give a good speech. I think I saw Obama in the backround holding his bags.
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 6, 12 9:28 AM
And you worship a "man" who's nothing more than a disbarred attorney and an IMPEACHED ex-president. He's a perfect mouthpiece for the modern Demokrat Party!
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 6, 12 6:58 AM
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bigfresh, you must be a Republican.

Clinton was not "disbarred". His license to practice law was suspended for only five years. Not only that, he was never impeached. He completed his full term as President of the United States.

He never "made a turn right" as someone here posited, he knows how to reach across the aisle. That's something not only the GOP should learn how to do, I recommend it to you as well.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 5:22 PM
Gm is stronger again? GM basically wiped out 50 billion dollars worth of debt which it was burdened by from it's ineffecient operations and bloated union pay scale. Lets talk jobs we have a 17 % under employment rate and a stimulus bill that created jobs at the cost of 4 million a piece! Mr Obama also is the proud owner of 50 million on food stamps and public assistance. Sure blame Bush he has not been in office in 4 years. Mr Obama promised he would close Gitmo, stop the wars in 4 years, and ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Sep 6, 12 6:55 PM
Phil, you are truly delusional. GM is strong? No. Stop trying to take credit for OBL. That day was set up by a lot of work by people in office before Obama. Created jobs at what cost? The disastrous repercussions of Obamacare haven't been felt yet, and thankfully probably won't after it is repealed. No way in hell we are better off, no way. That is some disingenuous crap.

I'll ask again, especially to the haters and the delusional. How are you going to feel when Obama loses?
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 7:39 PM
Yeah, and he got OBL all on his own. It is pretty easy to say yes when presented with that opportunity. What other campaign promises has he kept? It won't be too long before GM is in trouble again.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 7:59 PM
You conveniently sidestepped my question. John Kerry? Really?
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 9:22 PM
Phil, this is the typical condescending reply I would expect from you. I read just fine although sometimes when reading your posts I wish that I didn't. Are you pulling form the same website that shows Obama has only kept 37% of his promises? That's a pretty good score huh?
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 10:18 PM
Won't argue this, as I have stated before, politicians are low rent scoundrels. Well, most of them anyway. Obama did however have the senate in his pocket for more than half of his only term.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 8:00 AM
Lets talk about some real substantial problems such as cutting the debt in half. balancing the budget and getting people back to work. Almost everything you mentioned in the above list of "promises kept"is an INCREASE in cost to the tax payers. You cant get something for nothing
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 7, 12 9:12 AM
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Facts is facts Phil-disbarred and impeached. And he's the last hope for the Demokrat Party in this election.
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 6, 12 12:49 PM
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You are the biggest hater on this site. Own it.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 7:42 PM
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Generalizations huh? You are just as bad as any of the far right. You have been sitting at home behind the keyboard for too long and it has made you bitter. Lighten up a little.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 7:54 PM
So witty Phil. You are an amazing guy.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 7:59 PM
All of these arguments have resulted in me changing my mind politically

Oh wait. No they didn't. I was just kidding.

Carry on wasting bandwidth between the same 4 or 5 people....
By btdt (315), water mill on Sep 6, 12 4:38 PM
"It takes some brass, to attack a guy for doing what you did."

~ Former Preisdent Bill Clinton, in regard to Romney over Healthcare Reform
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 5:42 PM
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"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 6, 12 9:04 PM
Arithmetic, dnice.

Arithmetic.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 10:46 PM
And, hey don't worry.

If there's a major disaster, Romney will reassure you there is "assistance out there", and if you lose your home you can just go there and dial 211...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 6:30 AM
I would never rely on the gov't to bail me out of anything. I can take care of myself.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 2:20 PM
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Nice stretch of my statement Phil.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 7:27 PM
Once again Phil, thanks for explaining it to us idiots.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 7:58 PM
So, there are those of you who want a "businessman" whose company only survived in 1992 because he threatened to put a gun to it's head and stuck the FDIC with ten million dollars in debt. At the same time, he was rewarding top executives with huge bonuses.

He hates bailouts, unless they're for him. If you don't believe that, check out the FDIC documents that were made public via the FOIA.

Yeah, this is the guy we want running our country...
Sep 6, 12 11:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
FACTS: "The federal documents also reveal that, contrary to Romney's claim that he returned full time to Bain Capital in 1992, he remained involved in bailout negotiations to the very end. In a letter dated March 23rd, 1993, Romney reassured creditors that his latest scheme would return Bain & Company to "long-term financial stability." That same month, Romney once again threatened to "pay out maximum bonus distributions" to top executives unless much of Bain's debt was erased. In the end, the government surrendered. At the time, The Boston Globe cited bankers dismissing the bailout as "relatively routine" – but the federal documents reveal it was anything but. The FDIC agreed to accept nearly $5 million in cash to retire $15 million in Bain's debt – an immediate government bailout of $10 million. All told, the FDIC estimated it would recoup just $14 million of the $30 million that Romney's firm owed the government. It was a raw deal – but Romney's threat to loot his own firm had left the government with no other choice. If the FDIC had pushed Bain into bankruptcy, the records reveal, the agency would have recouped just $3.56 million from the firm."
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 6, 12 11:43 PM
He certainly wasn't my first choice, or even my second but he is the one getting my vote( not that its gonna make a difference in NYS). Can't stomach the thought of Obama getting more SCOTUS nominations.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 8:02 AM
DISBARRED AND IMPEACHED THE BEST THE DEMOKRATZ HAVE, PITIFUL!
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 7, 12 7:35 AM
As I stated above you must be a Republican with your love of propaganda.

Clinton was not impeached nor was he disbarred.

Don't let facts get in the way of your ranting. But then again you exemplify the best the Republican Party has to offer...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 8:43 AM
And just how long shall it be held against him?

Last time I checked, he was far better than Jimmy Carter at negotiating...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 3:51 PM
I really enjoyed when Bill Clinton got up and spoke on behalf of women. He is a great role model. Lying in front of a grand jury is a very honorable and noble characteristc worthy of the office.
By razza5350 (1647), East Hampton on Sep 7, 12 9:18 AM
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....and we still don't know the definition of "is."
By Mr. Snerdley (148), Southampton on Sep 7, 12 12:28 PM
If attacks regarding his personal life are all you've got, that's pretty sad.

Remember it takes 2 to tango...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 1:11 PM
I must say, Phil has a valid point this time.

The Republicans have been pretty top notch at not running their campaign in a non "fact check" manner.

When it comes to Romney, bailouts are only good if he receives them, if you want to simplify things...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 3:54 PM
I think we can agree that there is bad behavior and low character on both sides.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 6:39 PM
What a different Country this would have been if the Republicans hadn't stolen the election in 2000. We wouldn't have had 8 disastrous years of George Bush.Tutu says he should be tried as a war criminal.I'm sure that many Iraq Vets would agree.50% of them are filing for disability.God Bless them all.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Sep 7, 12 11:49 AM
If the election was stolen in 2000, what happend in 2004?
By Nature (2747), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 12:34 PM
This was a good one. Sort of "ala Warrne Buffett":




Twitter


Eva Longoria: Romney and I don't need tax breaks

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By MACKENZIE WEINGER |
9/6/12 8:40 PM EDT




Actress Eva Longoria doesn't need to take a break — a tax break, that is.

“Mitt Romney would raise taxes on middle-class families to cut his own — and mine. And that's not who we ...more
Sep 7, 12 5:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
Wow, and after I went to the trouble of citing the source, THAT'S what it looked like? Who in the heck is writing javascripts these days?
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 5:48 PM
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Eva Longoria ought to stick to the business she knows which apparently is show business. None of these people has any place in getting involved in politics. None of them live in the shoes that normal people live in day in and day out. Part of their fantasy appears to be that normal people care about their opinion.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Sep 7, 12 7:35 PM
She flipped burgers at Wendy's.

Obvioulsy, she was not born into Hollywood...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 8, 12 3:13 PM
Not really fair to compare Eva Longoria to Clint Eastwood, but I guess that Phil being Phil.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 7:56 PM
Isn't Clint Eastwood a former politician?
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 8:11 PM
Ahh, so now you are the authority on who is qualified to speak for the American people? Everyone is allowed their say Phil, whether you agree with it or not.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 8:32 PM
You been drinking? Go back and read again. I didn't post that.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 9:30 PM
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By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 9:38 PM
You start a post with a half hearted "I'm sorry", but it wasn't an apology? Ok. You're transparent Phil only you can't see it.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 9:48 PM
You're full of it. Please don't try to take the high road. First you say it wan't an apology and now it was? You attribute a post to me, admit your mistake and then still say I must have supported it even though I said no such thing. Actually I said the opposite. Now you want to act like your feelings will hurt. Give me a break.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 10:19 PM
Holy cow Mr z, and Phil the biggest govt report of the month is out and no comment from either of you?
The jobs report was out and we only created about 90k jobs this month. Sounds good right? At least how Obama spins it. The report also said 400k people are no longer looking for work because they can't find a good job. We are now at a 30 year record of people who have given up looking for work a record previously held by Jimmy Carter! Not to mention the population in the US grows by 125k a ...more
By chief1 (1671), southampton on Sep 7, 12 8:38 PM
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There will be plenty of "cooperation" once he is gone, don't worry.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 9:34 PM
Frankly, I haven't taken the time to look into it.

Fairly well informed, yes.

Fanatic? Not really.

All I can say is only a complete, and total idiot would think you can fix 30 years of damage, in less than four.
Sep 7, 12 11:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, as far as responsiblity goes, wasn't it a Republican Congress (1998) and Wall St. who made the arrangements that blew the t**s off the economy? Yeah, it was...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 7, 12 11:10 PM
Maybe it's just the wrong man to try to fix it. Maybe it's the system. Maybe it's entitlements. Maybe it's all of the above.
By dnice (1552), Hampton Bays on Sep 7, 12 11:30 PM
Maybe it's simply that "supply side", a.k.a. "trickle down" economics is not only a complete, total, and utter failure; it's the biggest pile of horse***t ever sold to a modern industrialized society.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 8, 12 12:19 AM
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Congratulations ! That is the most partisan and ignorant thing you have ever posted...I notice as the day grows near your true ideological strips show more and more.
By joe hampton (2062), south hampton on Sep 9, 12 11:41 AM
If indeed that was in reference to my post, please explain to us why since the removal of our progressive tax system our inftrastructure has become "painted rust", socioeconomic disparity is at it's highest level since the Great Depression, our Democratic process has been corrupted by money/lobbyists, and if not for a massive injection of currency we'd all be standing in bread lines.

Please, entertain us...
Sep 9, 12 11:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
We had really high income tax rates in the '50s and '60s when we had really amazing prosperity. We had breathtakingly high tax rates in the war years, WWII years, and we had just unimaginable prosperity. So, will we have high prosperity if we cut taxes? It would be nice to say so, but the evidence is lacking. ~ Ben Stein, lawyer, writer, actor, son of economist Herbert Stein
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 9, 12 11:59 AM
Maybe it's simply that "supply side", a.k.a. "trickle down" economics is not only a complete, total, and utter failure; it's the biggest pile of horse***t ever sold to a modern industrialized society. Dats Correct you no it Z man
By local 84 (175), riverhead on Sep 10, 12 1:39 AM
Hey ZZZ, is your avitar a picture of the cartoon character that was used in the old Kool Aid ads??!! Perfect for the Demokrat kool aid drinkers if it is.

Phil: Factchecker has proven your boy Bubba, the impeached former president lied again, this time at the Demokrat convention.

How in the world does the Demokrat Party have criminals like Clinton and the second worst President ,after Obama, Jimmy Carter as spokesmen endorsing Barry Soetoro for a second term?

Would you ...more
By bigfresh (1571), north sea on Sep 8, 12 4:17 PM
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Sep 9, 12 12:26 PM appended by Mr. Z
There is a GREAT article over at the Examiner by Rober Sobel called: "Reagan was wrong: Why government is not the problem and what really is". I DARE you to read it at least twice, and critique it.
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 9, 12 12:26 PM
Reagan was a crappy president. It's just awful how people cling to the ideology of a Donald Regan puppet, corporate spokesman, actor turned politician.

Someone was kind enough to compile eight reasons why Reagan was not a good president:

1. Reagan cut taxes for the Rich, increased taxes on the Middle Class -

Ronald Reagan is loved by conservatives and was loved by big business throughout his presidency and there's a reason for it. When Reagan came into office in January ...more
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 9, 12 5:16 PM
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You no it Z man, go baby! Yes we Can, Forward ---->
By local 84 (175), riverhead on Sep 9, 12 10:04 PM
Well, it seems bigfresh is unable to recall I answered his query more than once on this site. The most recent Republican I voted for in a State or National election would have been George Pataki.

If you actually knew your history, you'd be aware the WORST President to hold office was really Benjamin Franklin Pierce. whose bigoted nature probably did the most to facilitate the onset of the Civil War. The "second worst president" would probably have to be Andrew Johnson who stated, and ...more
Sep 10, 12 3:09 AM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, it's simply Franklin Pierce. Too many episodes of M*A*S*H...
By Mr. Z (7051), North Sea on Sep 10, 12 3:09 AM
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