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Bishop, Altschuler Joust Over Ethics, Outsourcing During Riverhead Debate

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Rohma Abbas   Sep 28, 2012 2:10 PM
Oct 2, 2012 4:55 PM
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Ethics and outsourcing—two issues that have driven negative campaign ads from Democrat U.S. Representative Tim Bishop and Republican challenger Randy Altschuler this election—caused sparks to fly between the two at a debate in Riverhead last Thursday night.

The two participated in a 90-minute debate cosponsored by Times/Review News Group of Riverhead and the The Press News Group of Southampton, held at the Vail-Leavitt Music Hall. The first half of the debate centered on President Barack Obama’s signature health care law, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, also known politically as “Obamacare.” The second half was driven by questions from the audience, which focused on Mr. Bishop’s ethics and Mr. Altschuler’s past business practices. Also discussed were bipartisanship, President Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, as well as foreign policy.

Outsourcing is an issue that Mr. Altschuler has taken considerable heat for since 2010, when he first challenged Mr. Bishop, losing by approximately 600 votes. In 2000, Mr. Altschuler founded the company Office Tiger, which critics have blasted him over for outsourcing jobs to foreign countries. Mr. Altschuler sold the business in 2006 and now runs CloudBlue, an electronics recycling company.

Mr. Altschuler, who lives in St. James, defended his business practices, saying: “I’m proud of my record.” He also pointed out that he created two companies that produced an estimated 1,000 jobs for Americans.

“Yes, it’s true I had employees all around the world,” he said. “I had an international business. But we also have to face the reality that, without those employees around the world, we never would have created those jobs here in America. And we have to look at the underlying reason why we don’t have more jobs in America.”

Mr. Bishop publicly addressed recent ethics claims accusing him of soliciting campaign donations from a Southampton resident in exchange for helping him secure permits to host a fireworks show for his son’s bar mitzvah. Mr. Bishop said he “did nothing wrong” before later adding that, over his 40 years working in the 1st Congressional District, “I am the same person I have always been.”

He added: “I have never ever had my honesty or my integrity or the transparency with which I do my job questioned. Not once.”

Earlier in the evening, both weighed in on the 2-year-old health care law, with Mr. Bishop pledging support for it and Mr. Altschuler criticizing it based on costs.

Mr. Bishop said a repeal of the law—something that House Republicans have voted numerous times for—would result in a host of negative side effects for residents of the district, including increased Medicare premiums, the loss of tax credits for small businesses, and young adults 25 and under getting kicked off their parents’ insurance plans. And, he added later, in the 33 times Republicans have voted to repeal the law, they have never once offered an alternative plan in its place.

“My view is that we have a law that is a good, a very good first step toward solving a problem that everyone recognizes we needed to solve,” Mr. Bishop said.

While acknowledging that there are some “good things” in the law, such as a mandate that prohibits insurance companies from discriminating against someone due to a preexisting condition, Mr. Altschuler said the initiative is far too costly. He noted that the Congressional Budget Office has predicted that the legislation would cost approximately $1.7 trillion over the next decade, while failing to focus on lowering the cost of health care or medical malpractice tort reform.

“One of the biggest issues we have right now is our health care costs are spiraling out of control,” Mr. Altschuler said.

Mr. Altschuler also suggested that Obama’s health care program is being balanced by more than $700 billion in cuts to Medicare—a popular Republican talking point this election season, and one that Mr. Bishop debunked as “a scare tactic.” PolitiFact, a Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking website, also rated the claim as “mostly false” after Mr. Romney cited the same figures in an August interview, and stated that Obamacare will not cut Medicare funding. The president’s health care law does, however, reduce the amount of future spending growth in Medicare, and those savings come from significant reductions to private insurers under the Medicare Advantage program.

Both candidates bickered on the subject of outsourcing. Mr. Bishop said he’s sponsored a bipartisan bill that would make companies that outsource jobs to foreign countries ineligible for federal grants and loans. He said that, in the past five years, the country has lost 500,000 call center jobs while the Philippines has added 600,000.

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The underlying reason we don't have jobs around the world is gross fiscal mismanagement by our "power brokers".

We didn't blow up the economy.

We didn't blow up the banking system.

We didn't use calculus to detonate a fiscal fusion bomb.

But "We, the people", and the rest of the world are paying for those mistakes.
Sep 28, 12 5:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
The last thing we can afford, is things getting more expensive. Gee, I wonder how that happens...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 28, 12 5:53 PM
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Bishop is a typical dem fraud. Vote him out w Obama. Or.
By realistic (254), westhampton on Sep 28, 12 10:15 PM
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Altschuler should never hold a public office in theUnited States after his outsourcing empire made him millions. Let's send him back to New Jersey where he belongs!
Go Bishop!!
By SHNative (538), Southampton on Sep 28, 12 11:15 PM
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Job Shipping Randy, the New Jersey carpetbagger is wrong for America and wrong for the East End of Long Island. The good people of New York want low interest rates for student loans, the continuation of medicare, and laws that protect our women and the environment. We also believe that hiring American workers is far better for the middle class than sending jobs to India. We cannot allow the big oil companies who are financing Randy's campaign, to ruin our beautiful and fragile shore lines. Randy ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Sep 29, 12 4:42 AM
Randy has also created jobs in the USA. What has L'il Tim ever created? Besides more debt by being a rubber stamp for the Demokrat Party.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Sep 29, 12 9:14 AM
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Yes, yes we know that in your world Democrats are the only group who engage in defecit spending...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 29, 12 12:53 PM
How many of you who would call Altshuler a carpetbagger voted for Hillary?
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 9:36 AM
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The same hypocrites (Bishop included) who label Altschuler an outsourcer are driving cars made in japan, using laptops made in korea, wearing clothes made in thailand, sleeping on sheets made in india, and drinking wine made in france. What a joke! The most successful businesses going forward will be those that understand the global economy in which we live.
By shampton (30), southampton on Sep 29, 12 11:30 AM
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Using products which are made overseas in this global economy is a given, and is a drop in the bucket compared to the venomous attitude ascribed to Mr. A in justifying outsourcing:

"In India, you get a much higher standard of person."

And this is the person for whom you encourage Americans to vote?

Pick your poison . . . but cheer-leading for outsourcing is far worse than using products which contain outsourced components.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Sep 29, 12 12:12 PM
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Maybe, in Al Gore's words, its an 'inconvenient truth'? I'll take Altschuler over tax and spend, corrupt congressman (designated one of 12 most corrupt members of congress by indep watchdog group, CREW) Tim Bishop
By shampton (30), southampton on Sep 30, 12 8:53 AM
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And where is the headquarters of your career choice located?

America was founded upon the mom and pop businesses that rose up after the exportation/stolen ideas from across the pond when they landed on the rock. Rockerfeller? J.P. Morgan? The list goes on and on. These world renowned businesses started it all from humble roots and transatlantic escape from the crown.

Remember North Fork bank? he was bought out by Capital One (very recently) and now we no longer have a local bank ...more
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Oct 11, 12 4:14 PM
Make no mistake about it, Obamacare is the single worst piece of legislation passesd in U.S. history. 2,700 pages (Bishop never read), 31 new taxes (everyone is subject to), 1.7 TRILLION dollars (congressional budget office), over 700 BILLION dollars of cuts to medicare, front-loaded with benefits with costs and taxes backloaded, passed strictly along party lines, and affecting one sixth of this nation's GDP. Bishop should be ashamed, simply outrageous.
By shampton (30), southampton on Sep 29, 12 11:36 AM
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On a personal level, a young relative of mine recently needed treatment in the emergency room for a liver complaint. Although she wasn't admitted to the hospital, the bill was $$3K which she doesn't have. Since she is just beginning her working career, she also doesn't have insurance. Because she missed a deadline by which a payment plan was to be agreed on with the hospital, the bill has been sent to collection. (She WANTS to make an agreement but the hospital tells her she's too late. [Like ...more
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Sep 29, 12 12:47 PM
sound like she is an irresponsible whiner. Perhaps her parents or relatives could have talked some sense into her or better yet helped her out. Your post lacks specifics but we have lifelines for the poor and young now. Its called healthy NY, child health plus and medicaid. The first two are health care programs subsidized by the tax payers to bring premiums down.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Sep 29, 12 1:57 PM
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to razza5350:

So it might appear to the ignorant, callous and solipsistic. Others recognize that young adulthood is a perilous time and try to ease the burdens of those they love (and all their young countrymen) as they navigate their beginnings.

Affordable Care will do so nationwide.
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Sep 29, 12 2:26 PM
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if it was a relative of mine we would have talked to her about what it means to be an adult and be responsible. If she had gotten into a jam we most certainly would have all chipped in and payed the bill (3000 really?? the family cant help). The mere fact you did neither says a lot about you as a person. Your ideaologies are the reason we have more people on GVT assistance than ever before and you a perfect example of whats wrong this country. You sir are setting a bad example and enabling this ...more
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Sep 30, 12 7:34 AM
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to razza5350:

Any argument to compassion will fail with reactionaries. One might as well attempt to engage the color-blind in a discussion of the spectrum. The upcoming Republican electoral debacle is due largely to the electorate's realization that Republican extremists have no political ideology beyond MEANNESS, as you have repeatedly illustrated.

By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Sep 30, 12 11:23 AM
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Trust me HHS, it's like talking to a brick wall.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 11:49 AM
Compassion??? You are the one who didn't step to the plate and help your OWN flesh and blood out. don't preach to me about compassion.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Sep 30, 12 12:22 PM
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to razza5350:

Your ignorance never forestalls you from inanity. You seize on any pretext as sanction for your meanness. Fortunately, that inherent characteristic of the extreme right has been noted by people of normal conscience and will be reflected in the November vote.
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Sep 30, 12 1:46 PM
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Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds.

It's acceptable to viciously mock Sarah Palin's children. It's acceptable to mock Mitt Romney's religion.

When someone gives you the slightest taste of the hateful left's bile in return, you'll immediately cry for "civility".

Rules for Radicals, the tactical bible of the left, has attacking individuals as one of it's prime directives. Although it acknowledges that some people of concience might find it distasteful, it can be justified ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:12 PM
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Mr. Z, HHS, and the rest of the America haters here measure their compassion by the amount of other peoples money they can give away.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:13 PM
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Sure.

And the country has fared SO well since our progressive tax system was decimated....
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 6:34 PM
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Young, but not covered by a "family plan" if she's younger than twenty-six? Not eligible for Medicaid because?? Can't work to make $3,000 to pay back what she owes? Has nothing at the moment so it's unlikely the hosptal can "attach" anything?

Let's be clear here HHS - if you are so worried about your "young" relative perhaps you should just pay the bill FOR HER HHS -- on your credit card? maybe a HELOC? cash from your own retirement fund? maybe YOU should work a second job instead ...more
By Board Watcher (495), East Hampton on Sep 30, 12 9:43 PM
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to Board Watcher:

Ignorantly, you have created a fantasy out of whole cloth to which you then address your argument.

The truth is that extremist reactionaries have only one thing to say, which they say over and over: "I don't want to spend any of my money on anyone but myself." For certain reactionaries, this selfishness needs no validation, since they see it as a virtue. Others, possibly due to the lingering effects of being raised in a tradition of compassion, see the need ...more
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 1, 12 1:06 AM
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But didn't Mitt Romney say just last week that using a hospital's emergency room is a viable alternative for those without health insurance? Who is it that needs the intervention?
By VOS (612), WHB on Oct 1, 12 1:40 AM
Blah blah blah blah. And you do not address the issue of why YOU do not "help" your relative HHS - but instead resort to calling people and those who do not share your political views "mean". A very "grown-up" statement. I support CHARITIES with my money, HHS, who then support "those in need", and donate locally to "those in need" and CHARITIES who also support those locally "IN NEED". Don't understand what part about this you don't get ... I don't want to support YOUR RELATIVE if s/he is not ...more
By Board Watcher (495), East Hampton on Oct 2, 12 6:24 PM
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Highhatsize,

Nicely stated and annotated.

I too think President Obama's Affordable Care Act has some positive aspects: kids having the option of staying on their parent's policy until they are 26 and insurance companies being mandated to insure people with preexsting conditions.

As you said, the affordable care act has some problems, but many good minds went into creating a compassionate and decent piece of legislation.

Perhaps when the election is over, the ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Sep 29, 12 1:36 PM
25 year olds are not "kids". How long are we going to extend adolescence? 30, 35...50?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:15 PM
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Through their college education too much for you?
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 3:31 PM
Haha Steven. 2700 pages and you think it has some positive aspects? Thanks for the laugh. I agree that the system needs fixing but you don't fix it by making everyone else pay for it. Insurance companies are the ones that need the scrutiny and new legislation, not John Q taxpayer. Lawyers and insurance companies have made medicine the mess that it is.
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 3:26 PM
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While that is true, getting them to admit it and thus pay the piper for it is a quite different state of things.

They go to the only real option they have who can't dismiss their responsiblity with creative lawyering and a massive amount of coin.

Joe Q. Public.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 11:53 AM
Personal responsibility people! Personal responsibility. It's the same to liberals as holy water is to vampires.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Sep 29, 12 6:56 PM
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Unless you're a woman-then people like BF will make decisions for you,because you can;t be trusted to take personal responsibility for your own decisions.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 29, 12 9:13 PM
Only when it comes to slaughtering another human bering.

Philathome supports partial birth abortions. Lets be clear, that's an induced birth of a live baby, who then has a needle inserted into their brain to kill them. As long as a one toe remains in the birth canal, it's "just a bunch of cells" to phil and his ilk...crying and all. Remember that.

By the way, for those of you who oppose such atroocities, you are are guilty of "restricting a woman's rights".
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:19 PM
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bering=being.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:21 PM
I don't support partial birth abortions.I never said I did.

Reality First is a liar.
He is once again making projections about somebody elses' beleifs.
He is unstable and needs help.

By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 30, 12 7:02 PM
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Dont apologize Phila, Stand up! You know it baby! we dont need there free advise neva asked for it so keep it to yourselves.

Bishop Baby. Yes WE Will!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Oct 1, 12 2:40 PM
There's no apology in there. I never said I support partial birth abortions;I do support a womans' right to choose,and abortion in cases of the mothers' life being threatened. It appears that others here are willing to sacrifice a womans' life for political gain.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 6:54 PM
I see the usual people are still serving hyperbole and crapburgers.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 29, 12 9:11 PM
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What do you mean Phil, there is like a dozen people that frequent this forum?
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 9:20 PM
Ever check the new members list above the comments link on the right side bar?
There are probably 20-30 new members here per day..
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 29, 12 9:51 PM
None are regulars. Something tells me you already new this but had to point it out anyway.
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 10:01 PM
Just because they don't post doesn't mean that they're not readers.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 29, 12 10:06 PM
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But you were referring to posters right?
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 10:14 PM
No,I was referring to the new members list above the recent comments on the right side of the page.

I said that.Go back and read it again.It is two (2) posts above.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 30, 12 7:07 PM
Independent watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has just named our congressmen, Tim Bishop, one of the 12 MOST CORRUPT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS!!! Can you imagine how corrupt one must be to receive such recognition ....in congress? Wow, and there's actually people who think this guy deserves more time in office, and more taxpayer money? Folks, I'm sure Bishop is a nice, friendly guy, but he's been a complete abject failure as our congressman. If we don't vote ...more
By shampton (30), southampton on Sep 30, 12 8:50 AM
Corruption, and even convictions are no barrier to a liberal politicians enjoying the continued support of idealogues.

It speaks to the utter moral bankruptcy of the left wing base of the Democratic party.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 30, 12 2:26 PM
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How many republicans make that list of corrupt politicians each year?

""CREW’s Most Corrupt"
CREW has published seven annual reports since 2005 of the politicians that CREW identifies as the most corrupt members of Congress. The 2005 report included 11 Republicans and 2 Democrats;[12] the 2006 report included 17 Republicans and 3 Democrats;[13] the 2007 report included 18 Republicans and 4 Democrats;[14] the 2008 report included 17 Republicans and 7 Democrats;[15] the 2009 report ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Sep 30, 12 7:32 PM
HIGH HAT SIZE Why wouldn't you tell your relative to call the hospital and get the bill reduced? Usually they will cut the bill more than 50% and you can pay 25 dollars a month with no blemish on your credit.Why do you think the taxpayers should pay the bill? When you are in your twenties you are an adult and need to be responsible. Do you think I like paying 1900 dollars a month?

PHIL As usual you think whatever a Democrat does is ok. If there are crooked Republicans they need too be ...more
By chief1 (1318), southampton on Sep 30, 12 9:15 PM
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.
The emotional argument you make is to graphically describe a procedure that only takes place a fraction of a percentage of the time.
We get it-you don't like abortion.So,if the need ever arises,don't have one.
But don't deny other women the right to make that choice just because you wouldn't.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 7:03 PM
I wonder...Will obama lay out the groundwork for how he plans to fix the economic mess he will inherit from himself?
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Sep 30, 12 11:05 PM
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He has to fix the mess that the republicans left for him first.
It'll take another term to begin to fix it,then two more democratic presidential terms after that.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 7:08 PM
To the Obama supporters here, when should Barry Soetoro take responsibility for our economic condition as a nation? When it gets better maybe?
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 1, 12 7:19 AM
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All of this outsourcer talk is so stupid and has nothing to do with any of the problems we are facing. Our corporate tax rates are too high and our labor force cannot compete for low skill manufacturing jobs. Poor Malaysians and robots are just so much cheaper than your average iPhone toting, 54 inch waisted American. Calling outsourcing job losses Randy Altshulers fault is like storing your sugar in a bowl on the front porch and calling your loss the fault of greedy ants.
By Chris Nowan (2), EAST QUOGUE on Oct 1, 12 12:17 PM
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What? Are you insane? Outsourcing has nothing to do with the problems we are facing? A 13% effective corporate tax rate is too high?! Outsourcing IS destroying American jobs AND these companies are actually getting tax breaks for sending our jobs overseas. I find it completely unbelievable that someone would put their right wing ideology ahead of American Jobs.

Altschuler outsourced American jobs. He is part of the problem.
By witch hazel (187), tatooine on Oct 1, 12 12:59 PM
u tell um Boo, Union Pride Baby! Tim Bishop - Barack Obama YES WE CAN !
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Oct 1, 12 2:34 PM
This president has been the biggest outsourcer of American jobs, by putting money into solar and wind energy companies that are making their products outside the U.S. If there is an outsourcer-in-chief, it’s your boy. Obama promised that he would focus on creating "jobs that can't be outsourced." However, as he racked up trillions in new debt, billions went to create jobs that were outsourced overseas. Electric cars made in Finland or solar panels in Mexico, taxpayers would be astonished ...more
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 2:23 PM
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Perhaps if we were not so addicted to fossil fuels, and not only let companies ring up a 0% tax rate, and subsidies on top of it, we'd have more money for other "green" tech that Finland invests it's tax dollars in.

Biodiesel is the future, and I can't wait to start making it from toilet waste.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 1, 12 4:48 PM
Hey everybody has got to have a hobby right
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 1, 12 5:42 PM
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Well, if you subscribed to CR4 digest, and Globalspec among other publications, such as Scientific American, you might have a few more hobbies too...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 1, 12 7:44 PM
Then,again,Mr. Z could always distill some of the postings here.
He can start with yours.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 3, 12 5:41 PM
Sure Randy had an outsourcing company. But who has been in Congress for ten years and voted for every Nafta Bill ever presented? Your own Tim Bishop.
By chief1 (1318), southampton on Oct 1, 12 4:44 PM
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Tim the INSOURCER
By xtiego (303), bridgehampton on Oct 1, 12 6:43 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 2, 12 1:22 AM
[There I go again, forgetting that this website, alone among newspaper sites and in opposition to the fundamental purpose of a NEWSpaper, censors any comment that leads people to read news anywhere other than here.]

With the damnable citation to authority removed, what I said was that the accusation that Obama has outsourced jobs is false. "Outsourced" jobs are jobs that were formerly filled by Americans or could prospectively be filled by them. No such jobs were transferred overseas ...more
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 2, 12 2:35 PM
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but the illusion of knowledge."

~ Stephen Hawking
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 4:19 PM
I do agree with the first part of what you said about the press treating us like children, but the second part is comical to say the least.
Why do we give billions to people who obama said under his presidency will respect us, (FAIL!) Because he said he understands there ways better than us who have lived here all our life. (ROTFLMAO) The same people who continue to plot to murder us. Arab spring my azz.
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 2, 12 4:43 PM
These people have made obama and us with him into the laughing stock of the world...Obama the man who said... " THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND I HAVE EVER HEARD IN THE WORLD " WTF ??? They will only bargain from a position of weakness there actions continue to be barbaric and will not stop until there false profit and sharia law is forced down our throats. Wake up already before its to late. One more term of this amateur from origins unknown will destroy what is left of this ...more
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 2, 12 4:53 PM
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You wouldn't be referring to HHS would you? LOL!
By Board Watcher (495), East Hampton on Oct 2, 12 6:31 PM
Sharia law?
Birtherism?

Come on,Joe.You sound like a lunatic.

By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 2, 12 6:41 PM
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Why do we strip welfare from million dollar lottery winners, but allow corporations who profit in the millions, and even billions free rides on taxes plus subsidies?

He who has the gold, makes the rules...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 8:31 PM
Jon Stewart during his debate with Bill O'Reilly-

"Why is it that if you take advantage of a corporate tax break you're a smart businessman,
but if you take advantage of something so you don't go hungry, you're a moocher?"

By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 7:59 AM
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Those arguing about health insurance have it all wrong. It is not the uninsured that cause problems. The problem is that 30% of the population use up 80% of health care resources because of the nature of their chronic illnesses.

And no, I am not speaking of people with cancer or other diseases they cannot control. I am speaking of those who are overweight, who smoke, who drink to excess, who do not exercise and take no personal responsibility for their well being. Typical medical ...more
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Oct 2, 12 3:58 PM
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Those arguing about health insurance have it all wrong. It is not the uninsured that cause problems. The problem is that 30% of the population use up 80% of health care resources because of the nature of their chronic illnesses.

And no, I am not speaking of people with cancer or other diseases they cannot control. I am speaking of those who are overweight, who smoke, who drink to excess, who do not exercise and take no personal responsibility for their well being. Typical medical ...more
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Oct 2, 12 3:58 PM
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Although I agree with your comment I'm not sure what you are proposing. Are we to ban alcohol, nicotine and foods that are bad for you altogether. How do you monitor or enforce it? Can people only drink water and non processed foods? Should we surcharge insurance premiums if you are overweight or unhealthy.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 3, 12 6:25 AM
to Board Watcher:

Persevering in your ignorance, you have created a fictitious case and arrive at erroneous conclusions formed by false assumptions and misconceptions. You then cite your errors as universal truths in your apology, to wit, that young people are irresponsible; that families don't take care of their own; and that the young have all the health care they need. Ergo, you conclude, it is inappropriate to require you to spend your money on anyone other than yourself. Stripped ...more
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 3, 12 1:10 AM
Awww - you really hurt my feelings! Ergo - you think there aren't any "mean" Democrats, Independents or Blanks who don't want you or O'Bama controlling their purses? You are hysterical ... keep at it! Meow.
By Board Watcher (495), East Hampton on Oct 3, 12 2:13 AM
Gee Hat, I guess you felt above responding to my blue collar comment. Don't worry I kind off expected it. So I guess you were up late trying to watch MSNBC Spin the latest obama disaster video, Hilarious watching you all try and defend this creep.
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 3, 12 1:43 AM
The latest Obama disaster video?
The one from 2007 when he pointed out that Bush was still ignoring the aftermath of Katrina? The one that the right is screeching about because Obama sounds "black"?
That was released as a continuation of the racist narrative the right uses to attack Obama by Drudge.Hannity grabbed it,trying to make it sound like it was some kind of 'revelation'.
Epic fail
And,naturally,you ate it right up. The right is panicking because Romney turned out to be a ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 3, 12 5:56 AM
Felt more like we were watching JAY Z Accept an award at a BET event than a member of the Senate and candidate for the President of the United States of America. Absolutely disgusting!
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 3, 12 10:00 AM
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I agree UD it was a disgrace. Phil keeps briging up his PMSNBC tlaking points of the 47 percent BS
Jack Welch:
'Romney Is the Most Qualified Leader I've Ever Seen Run for President'
Former General Electric CEO Jack Welch on Monday said, "In my lifetime, Mitt Romney is the most qualified leader I've ever seen run for the Presidency of the United States."
Appearing on CNBC's Squawk Box, Welch included John F. Kennedy, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama in this analysis after discussing ...more
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 3, 12 10:14 AM
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So you approved of how Bush handled Katrina?
That was the jist of the speech-a speech,by the way,that has been available for viewing for over 5 years,and one that McCain refused to make an issue of in the 2008 elections because it was below him.(But Fox "news" and Drudge were sure quick to latch onto it).
We know why you disliked it so much.
He was addressing the truth.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 3, 12 3:46 PM
You're talking about "Neutron" Jack Welch, right? The guy who eliminated over 100,000 jobs at General Electric but kept the Board of Directors stacked with those who would vote him hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation. Are we supposed to be surprised he backs Romney?
By VOS (612), WHB on Oct 3, 12 6:39 PM
"Call it the curse of incumbency"
More like the curse of incompetency. Obama is nothing but a community organizer and will always be just that. Mitt Romney is a responsible grown-up. I don't know why anyone would believe that teleprompter obama can speak about anything with any knowledge - except maybe about golf.

By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 4, 12 1:48 AM
Joe-
Romney called 47% of the people in this country parasites.
That includes military families,the eldrly and the disabled,as well as the poor.
He has no concience.
You know about that,don't you?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 4, 12 8:37 PM
Razza,

I never used the word "ban", nor do we need the government monitoring or enforcing what we eat, drink and do. That should be left to the individual. Why is it that the only solution is to have government regulate? That never works, and creates more questions than answers. But, along with individual freedom comes individual responsibility, can't have one without the other, no way, no how.

The simple solution, regulate your own behavior, why? Because, it only benefits ...more
By CommonSense (71), Southampton on Oct 3, 12 8:58 AM
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In theory I agree with everything you say. The problem is in this day and age most people don't share your same views. We live in a time where people are sue happy and don't take personal responsibility. I like the idea of insurance premium credits for people who live healthier lifestyles.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 4, 12 5:48 AM
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Yo Phil, the folks living in New Orleans had DAYS to get out of town, Katrina had been forecasted and tracked for a week. The problem occured when people who have been dependant on the government taking care of all their needs from cradle to grave didn't have the sense to LEAVE!!!! The Demokrat machine that had mismanaged NOLA for decades screwed up, remeber the school busses that mayor Nagin did not use to evacuate the lower wards?! They also didn't use the federal funds earmarked for levee maintanance, ...more
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 4, 12 6:53 PM
Actually,Bush had stripped FEMA of much of its funding and wouldn't authorize any federal aid until four days after it hit-his advisors drew straws to see who would tell them how bad it was,since he was 'busy'.
He left them there to die.
It's what republicans do to minorities.
You should know that-your a epublican.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 4, 12 7:06 PM
Fema was fine until Bush took it over-it was he who screwed it up-at least in NOLA.It didn't seem to have a problem when the hurricane hit his brothers' state-Florida-the year before,when Fema managed to give disaster releif to people 500 miles away from the disaster zone.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 4, 12 7:22 PM
"Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!"
By VOS (612), WHB on Oct 4, 12 11:25 PM
Mayor Ray Nagin was too busy urging residents to rebuild a "chocolate New Orleans" and saying, "You can't have New Orleans no other way."to stop the post Katrina looting and shooting at police and FEMA.
The Democratic Gov (K. Blanco ) did would NOT ask for help and had a we don't need help from D.C. attitude, later blameing GWB for their own faults ... GWB had to FORCE the help onto them... as always Dems and MSM rewrite history they don't like. The fact is within four days of Katrina’s ...more
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 5, 12 12:32 AM
Nice twisting of the facts.

Blanco DID ask for help,but since she didn't specifically ask for assistance in evacuations none was forthcoming.FEMA didn't offer,either.Blacks in NO weren't a priority like residents of Florida were the year before.
Bush FORCED (!) the help on them After he flew over so he could look down on New Orleans-figuratively and actually.
He wasn't too concerned about what was happening for days after it happened.
Bush and his version of FEMA let it happen.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 6:30 AM
Incorrect Phil. Blanco requested assistance on August 27 and the state of emergency was declared by W the same day. W at that time authorized FEMA to "identify, mobilize and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impact of the emergency." Katrina made landfall in LA on Aug. 29. Bush flew over on August 31. Water and provision enough for 15000 people for 3 days was delivered to the Superdome along with other provisions. On Aug 28, W in a conference call ...more
Oct 5, 12 8:19 AM appended by Captn America
Edite to add: Provisions were delivered to the superdome on Aug 28, before Katrina made landfall.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 8:19 AM
Bianco requested assistance for all the Southeastern parishes and New Orleans;Fema dropped the ball and didn't send the help that was needed.
The provisions sent to the Superdome were insufficient and there was no plan in place to help those that were there once the hurricane had passed.
Bush should have had FEMA in place long before the hurricane made landfall.He didn't.Almost two thousand died.
Heck of a job he did.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 4:24 PM
Blanco waited too long to declare a disaster area. The declaration is needed to release federal assistance. That was on Blanco. Logistically it was too late to get the relief to the area that was going to be needed prior to landfall. Nagin advised those needing the Superdome as a shelter of last resort to bring their own provisions. Yup, 2000 people that shouldn't have been there. Negin and Blanco sent mixed messages by calling for both mandatory and voluntary evacuations. Nagin didn't require ...more
Oct 6, 12 7:07 PM appended by Captn America
The moral to the story boys and girls is liberalism's red herring - personal responsibility.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 6, 12 7:07 PM
The captain knows red herrings-his claims qualify.

from Snopes-

Bianco declared a state of emergency for Louisianna on August 26th

The rumors that Bianco didn't request federal aid appear to have originated with a Bush administration official.

But the right never misses a chance to distort the facts.

The moral to the story is if the captain makes a claim,research it for yourself.
He's probably lying.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:31 PM
That's misleading Phil. Blanco declared the state of emergency on Aug 26 and sent a letter to Bush on Aug. 27. W declared the emergency the same day and cleard federal aid the same day Blanco sent her request to the Feds. Fact is, Aug 27 is the date the request was made by Blanco to Bush and it was too late to stop the wrath of Mother Nature.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:47 PM
Actually, they took Romney's advice.

They went home to dial 211...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 7, 12 8:43 PM
And Katrina hit on the 29th

"Investigation of State of Emergency declaration
In a September 26, 2005 hearing, former FEMA chief Michael Brown testified before a U.S. House subcommittee about FEMA's response. During that hearing, Representative Stephen Buyer (R-IN) inquired as to why President Bush's declaration of state of emergency of August 27 had not included the coastal parishes of Orleans, Jefferson, and Plaquemines.[20] (In fact, the declaration did not include any of Louisiana's ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 9:37 PM
So, your point is FEMA dropped the ball, not necessarily W... correct?
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 11:07 PM
Ever heard the expression "The buck stops here"?
By VOS (612), WHB on Oct 10, 12 11:40 PM
Not in the last four years, no.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:05 PM
W gutted Fema and put incompetents in charge of it.
He was responsible.
But,as usual,because he wasn't Obama you give him a pass.

The buck goes to the 1%.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:16 PM
Those who have been on the dole for generations seem to lose the ability to be SELF SUFFICIENT AND HAVE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! Save your own azz, the government can't be responsible for every thing during a natural disaster.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 5, 12 7:03 AM
Yes,all those servicement whose families have to get food stamps,all the poor who are at or below the poverty level because the 'job creators' aren't paying a living wage,all the disabled and infirm....they better get out there and hustle so BF can make more money and complain that he doesn't get enough from the government.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 7:19 AM
BF Somedays do you ever ask yourself why am I arguing with this guy? I know I do
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 5, 12 7:25 AM
You argue with me because you can't stand that someone shows you for what you are.
Like most authoritarian followers,you need to push your views on others and can't stand when someone offers a different view that is valid.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 4:15 PM
1-We don't pay our servicemen and women nearly enough!! The Demokratz are the ones who have disdain for our troops, look at your boy's record.
2-If you work for a living here, you are not below the poverty level.
3 All I want from the government is a strong military to protectthis great nation, other than that, the government is the problem, not the solution.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 5, 12 3:39 PM
1- Then we shouldn't waste our money on weapons systems and other unnecessary expenditures in the military budget and PAY our servicemen and women more.

2-You're saying that every employer here is paying a wage that is sufficient to support a family just because we live on Long Island?
Then why are there people living in basements,motels and in crowded houses? Why are the young still living with their parents? Why can't families starting out afford health insurance or other necessities,as ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 3:54 PM
Well thats a smart idea in a world as dangerous as ours, Lets just sit down and talk with everyone like obama did in the mid east and maybe the rest of the world can be as peaceful as his " Arab Spring" What an ignorant thing to say. If barry gets his way we will no longer be able to respond to a dual front leaving us very vulnerable to attack. Did you read that off your own personal Tele prompter you genius, Typical school teacher mentality
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 9:47 PM
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Paranoia is a terrible thing.
You should at least remove your tin-foil hat before you set your hair on fire.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 9:58 PM
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Apparently not a History teacher
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 5, 12 10:12 PM
You don't **** with Big Bird.

GET IT!?!?!?!!!
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 6, 12 1:29 AM
The altitude, prior debate performances by a sitting president, big bird, a flip flopping Romney. All excuses the lame stream media are throwing out there to deflect from the truth. Without his TelePrompter and confronted by an intelligent man who articulated his position Obama looked like a deer in headlights.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 6, 12 8:11 AM
Telling lies doesn't equate to intelligence.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 5:44 AM
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Reading comprehension is not your strong suit is it Phyll?

Late for work, gotta keep the 1% of the 1% happy!

God bless the billionaires that choose to live in our beautiful area!

I thank them and my employees thank them.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 6, 12 7:09 AM
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Amen to that BF
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 6, 12 10:36 AM
Oligarchy is not Democracy.

The rebellion that created this coountry was fueled by a class divide, and an Aristcracy which has now been surpassed in it's level. Keep sucklin' that teat of yours. I guess you think your mother's milk is better than Kool-Aid.

Either way, either drink, you're a slave to something. Now what was it...
Oct 7, 12 5:01 AM appended by Mr. Z
Salk, Tesla, and others like them are my heroes. You've got the wrong kind of homo sapiens for your Golden Calf. In fact, calling you homo sapiens would be an insult to the wise.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 7, 12 5:01 AM
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Here we go again. Z re writes history. Even a 5th grader knows the main cause of the American revolution was taxation without representation. FYI after the revolution many people in this country wanted to make Washington king.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 7, 12 5:39 AM
Well, that's where you fail as usual. Maybe the problem is the illusion of knowledge you hold. Monarchy was the only government most of the uneducated populace knew, a.k.a. "God on the Throne". What do you think all that taxation created in "Merry Ol' England"?

That's right, an Aristocracy from all those tax dollars. In addition, the Seven Year's War helped make a few fortunes as well. War profiteering is an old way to benefit from human suffering It was a ruling elite that manipulated ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 7, 12 11:37 AM
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Ok you quote don Henley and gene wilder from blazing saddles?? Are you trying to say that the war wasn't about taxes? If the war was about class divide why did the people want to annoint Washington king? Do you have add
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 7, 12 6:58 PM
The war was about the right to self-determination.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:14 PM
No, no, no. It was about so much more than that. It was a Revolution, not a Tea Party.

Taxes are just one slice of the pie. You can add corporate explotiation, government exploitation, and military exploitation to the list.

The rebellion was about OPRESSION, in multiple forms including the opression levied by the English elite, or aristocracy, or whatever you want to call the power brokers of the day. Why in the name of all that's holy do you think the original charter system ...more
Oct 7, 12 7:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and I answered your monarchy query, but it probably bears repeating anyway. It was the ONLY form of government the general population was familiar with. A Constitutional Monarchy. This group of men wanted so little to do with kingship, that they refused to coronate one as their leader. In most cases throughout history, despots ordinarily weren't elected by the people, or served term(s) of office.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 7, 12 7:47 PM
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Finally the protected one as no choice to stand on his own two feet without the Teleprompter. I'm positive he's blamed his inner circle for his own shortcomings I doubt we'll be seeing many of those halo pictures that used to dot the landscape of magazine racks, The comedy comes when the narcissists world falls apart and the best is yet to come,


By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 7, 12 10:40 AM
Obama made the mistake of trying to answer the questions while Romneyspat lies and BS.

By Tim Dickinson
October 4, 2012 9:32 AM ETMitt Romney turned in a polished performance in last night's presidential debate – and revealed himself to be an accomplished and unapologetic liar. In an evening where he sought to slice and dice the president with statistics, Romney baldly misrepresented his own policy prescriptions, made up numbers to fit his attacks and buried clear contrasts with ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:08 PM
The left wants to split haris on Romneys claim that Obamacare would raise premiums $2500 vs. the democrats claim that it would only be 1700, alll while Obama claimed it would reduce the average family premiums by $2500 during the snow job sales pitch. Seems Obama himself would have jumped in with that "fact" if it were true.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:37 PM
Fact checkers de-bunked Romney's claims.
But everyone should take your word for it.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:44 PM
Do you really want to dispute that Obama claimed Obamacare would save families $2500 when it fact they have gone up?
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:49 PM
Sure they've gone up-due to the fact that the law requires increased coverage.

from your friends at factcheck.org-

The growth in employer-sponsored family premiums has fluctuated in recent years. It went up just 4 percent from 2011 to 2012, according to an annual survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation, but it increased 9 percent the year before, a big jump from the mere 3 percent increase between 2009 and 2010. Clearly the growth rate over the last two years isn’t a 50-year ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 7:58 PM
Well there you go, Obama lied (again).
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 8:38 PM
Yeah, and we also see today that Obama hack Stepahanie Cutter who has been caught in other Obama campaign lies actually admitted that the $5 trillion democrat claim couldn't be proven. Go CNN for doing some good hard hitting interviews.

ERIN BURNETT: Stephanie, let me ask you about that. Here at CNN, we fact checked that, that $5 trillion in tax cuts and we’ve come to–that’s not true. Mitt Romney has not promised that, because he’s also going to be closing loopholes ...more
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 9:06 PM
So the fact that neither side can prove it supports your claim?
Lame.
Tax cuts put us where we are;given the history of the trickle down theory that Romney is advocating I wouldn't trust his judgement.
He's a proven liar and flip-flopper.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 9:20 PM
What it supports is that the true to form, the democrat's typical attack pattern is that the allegation and accusation rises above the evidence that supports the allegation. We now have a proven Obama administration Liar caught in yet again, another Lie of the accusation.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:31 PM
Polls Are Collapsing For Obama All Over The Place After The Debate
Florida: Two polls — from Rasmussen and We Ask America — found Romney in the lead here on Friday by 2 and 3 points, respectively.
Virginia: The same two firms — found Romney with 1- and 3-point leads, respectively.
Colorado: After Obama slipped up in the debate at the University of Denver, he saw a big, 7-point swing in this state in a Gravis Marketing survey. Romney now leads 49-46, after trailing ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 7, 12 10:54 PM
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Did you have to search long to find right-leaning polsters to tell you what you wanted to hear?
Rasmussen is known for innaccuracy

Never heard of the other one-what was its name-we lie for the right? might as well be.

RELIABLE polls still have Obama ahead.
So Obama will win by a smaller landslide.


Gotta love how the right questions the polls when Obama is ahead
The democrats are manipulating the polls!

Then the unemployment numbers come down

The ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 5:24 AM
Polls only matter when they're in your favor-

"Poll schmoll. "

Captn America (1334), Southampton on Sep 19, 12 8:41 AM
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 6:23 AM
Exactly what was it that Mitt Romney pulled out of his pocket, and placed on the rostrum just before the debate?

Was it a blank hanky?

Or was it a case of some hanky panky?

I'll say this: The video over at Current does not look good for Romney, and who is the guy he hands that folded paper from the rostrum to? Hankygate 2012...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 12:24 AM
it's a conspiracy,Z.
The democrats are manipulating polls and fixing the unemployment numbers.
The right wants America to fail. You can read it in their posts.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 5:31 AM
"Current" Haa HA Ha haaaaa ha thanks for the laugh
Oct 8, 12 8:02 AM appended by 27dan
Surly you are not getting your news from the Al Gore stupidity channel are you? LOL Maybe you meant to say something else? Maybe the air was to thin in your garbage truck today?
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 8:02 AM
ILLEGAL FOREIGN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS seems like once again the math does not add up.The Obama campaign dropped a bombshell this morning. It announced that, combined with the DNC, the campaign raised a staggering $181 million in September. The windfall is a huge increase over July and August, when the campaign raised around $100 million, although it is slightly down from the $193 million it raised in September 2008. The news should raise eyebrows.
Obama will do everything and anything to buy and ...more
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 8, 12 12:07 PM
You're hair's on FIRE!

It's a conspiracy!

Time to buy a new Tin-Foil Hat!!
The right is in PANIC MODE!!!
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 12:44 PM
by the way-we'll disclose if you will.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 12:45 PM
Joe, you reminded me of this:

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 1:21 PM
<----It's a conspiracy!!!
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 1:27 PM
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@ 27dan:

Your presumptions, and assinine assumptions never cease to amaze me.

As I stated, and I QUOTE: "The video over at Current does not look good for Romney"

They by far had the most comprehensive copy of the video before, and AFTER the debate was over. It really was interesting to watch Romney nervously clear the rostrum of document(s) after all the President exited the stage area. See it for yourself, otherwise pi$$ off.
Oct 8, 12 5:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
And yes, after the debate had ended, and the President had left he handed the paper(s) from the rostrum to his son. Why did he have to remove any type of paper from the rostrum after the debate, and since when do handkerchiefs BOUNCE?
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 5:29 PM
Pre-debate polls had Obama lagging further behind his 2008 showing in five target states -- Colorado, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and Wisconsin.
Not to worry, Obama strategists said. If we hold Florida, Ohio and Virginia, we've got 332 electoral votes, way over 270. We can afford to lose the 35 electoral votes in those other five states.
But what if the firewall doesn't hold? If the big three go for Romney, Obama is down to 272. Mr. Z, If he loses one more state, he can join Al Gore on ...more
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 8, 12 8:40 AM
No, I don't get my news from Current. I get my news from at least twenty different sources, maybe more.

However, the "Young Turks" had the best show of video not only of Romney walking to the rostrum, but of Romney CLEARING the rostrum of what was apparently an 8 x 12 sheet of paper folded letter style, which he handed off to someone else after the debate.

Christ some of you really are stupid.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 1:07 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 1:18 PM
Maybe it was a copy of Snoop Dogs Classy 10 reasons.
Come off it already Z
Rolling Stone Mike Taibbi
Robert Reich,
Current TV, Al Gore
Paul Krugman,
Young Turks,
Classic Progressive bordering on socialism Trash sources
What else is on your speed dial
Media Matters,Huffington post,and Joseph Stiglitz
Oct 8, 12 2:13 PM appended by joe hampton
Oh and I almost left out Billy Maher and the Bernie" Sanders variety hour... Good God Man.
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 8, 12 2:13 PM
Yeah, and in your world Teddy Roosevelt is a Socialist.

We know where you stand, and it ain't upon the legs of "we're all in this together".

I'd rather be progressive, than an avaristic, selfish, self annointed, supporter of the new aristocracy with delusions of how much harder I work than everyone else on the planet.

I feel sorry for you. I really do.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 2:20 PM
Here's something else by Thomas Jefferson you might like. It's from a letter Jefferson wrote in 1825 to William Branch Giles of "a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of '76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and monied incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ...more
Oct 8, 12 3:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
"I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and to bid defiance to the laws of their country." ~ Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to George Logan, Nov. 12, 1816
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 3:04 PM
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I dug up a digital copy of Ford's collected writings of Jefferson as someone was kind enough to digitize one of the 750 copies printed. Mark Twain once opined that "History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes". Grow some cogliones, read this, and review it if you'd like. I won't quote Lord Acton, but Jefferson most assuredly has...

An excerpt from a letter by Thomas Jefferson, to Colonel Charles Yancey. j. MSS.
Monticello, January 6, 1816

"Like a dropsical man calling ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 3:55 PM
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geez do you work? Get a life
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 8, 12 4:11 PM
Sorry if my insatiable thirst for knowledge displeases you. Actually, no I'm not.

Did it ever occur to you that some of my workday is performed in front of a computer?

Nah, you're to dim to figure that out. Otherwise you wouldn't make such a ridiculous, character revealing comment. I think I'll flip back to my other tabs now...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 4:27 PM
You rant and post drivel. You whine more and claim to know more than every major economist in the last 50 years. I actually find you amusing.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 8, 12 5:00 PM
I've never claimed to know more than anyone. Go ahead, read through every post I've ever made, and prove it.

I share what I know, and learn, and I understand that may be a concept which is foreign to you. The only nonsense I see, is your perception that I whine and the apparent fact you can't absorb a post, without being distracted by a quote. In actuality, you remind of someone afflicted by ADD. If you can't tell the difference between knowledge, and drivel that's not my fault. If you ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 5:22 PM
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Romney can't tell the difference between knowledge and drivel,either.
We know who raz is voting for.....
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 5:42 PM
Nice, This Just In - - - - Mitt Romney no longer trails Barack Obama in the Pew Research Center’s presidential election polling. By about three-to-one, voters say Romney did a better job than Obama in the Oct. 3 debate, and the Republican is now better regarded on most personal dimensions and on most issues than he was in September. Romney is seen as the candidate who has new ideas and is viewed as better able than Obama to improve the jobs situation and reduce the budget deficit.Fully 66% ...more
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 8, 12 8:31 PM
Remember, there are still two more debates left. And, many of us will be watching Romney for any possible chicanery. I've never seen a handkerchief bounce on a podium like a sheet of paper folded four ways in my life before last week. The video CLEARLY shows a VERY stiff handkerchief. Stiff as a board. Maybe it was happy to be in Romney's pocket? It was either too much starch, or the kerchief was tucked in his watchband, and paper notes were in his pocket...

"When public opinion changes, ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 9:19 PM
Didn't you hear?
The unemployment rate dropped to 7.8%
Obama's policies are working.More people finding work,even with the congressional republicans abandoning governance to obstruct.I guess they lack personal responsibility toward their constituents.
Meanwhile,Romney managed to flip-flop again today when he contradicted what he told his contributors about the Palistinians; he has now decided that its better politically to say he 'feels' for the 47%,and still hasn't explained where he's ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 9:31 PM
even cappie says

"poll Schmoll"
Captn America (1334), Southampton on Sep 19, 12 8:41 AM
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 9:35 PM
Yeah, and I went on to write: (Insert democrat politican here) scandals and waste and abuse of tax payer funds and exploitation of his position for personal gain will ultimately do him in. We now know he’s even been involved in sending tax payer stimulus funds to China as part of both the failed stimulus and other appropriations. This guy has been in Washington way too long and the lines have blurred for him.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 1:54 PM
The stimulus was a success.
It included tax cuts,created jobs and helped lift the economy.
The Auto bailout saved the auto industry,which Romney would have let go bankrupt.
We've had how many months of private sector job growth,even with the republicans not proposing a jobs bill?
Unemployment is now at a 4-year low,too.
The stock market has doubled since Obama took office.
All bad news to cappie,because he wants the president to fail.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:59 PM
Stimulus was a success for China. Let it go bankrupt, Chrysler did it and Ford decline bailout funds and they are kicking butt!! GM stock would need to be at about $53 for the tax payers to break even on the bail out. It's worth roughly $20 per share today and the bailout only prolonged an inevitable bankruptcy in the future and has left tax payers $16 billion in the hole. GM stock is worth about 39% less than it was on November 17, 2010, when the company went public at $33.00/share. However, ...more
Oct 10, 12 11:14 PM appended by Captn America
The stimulus did not meet most of Obama’s own goals. That’s called a failure. We’re almost $6 trillion worse off in debt and have fewer people employed than when Obama took office.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 11:14 PM
The GOP is full of winners-

"Jon Hubbard, a Republican member of the Arkansas House of Representatives, has written a new book in which he says slavery was "a blessing" for African-Americans, among other questionable statements. "

"Congressman Paul Broun (R-Ga.) said last week that evolution and the big bang theory are "lies straight from the pit of Hell."

"God's word is true. I've come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 9:41 PM
Nah, mostly in the Books of Exodus, and Leviticus.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 10:52 PM
And people on here VOTE for these people?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 6:54 AM
OMG what do you do watch that kid R Maddow and come straight here to report what you have learned. I just saw that like 10 min ago on that propaganda channel you watch.Wow
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 9, 12 10:26 PM
The Pew poll is devastating, Before the debate, O had a 51- 43 lead, now, Romney has a 49-45 lead. An unprecedented reversal. Before O had leads on every policy issue... now Romney leads in almost all of them. O's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat Phil : a 12 point swing... Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. That gender gap that was O's firewall gone in one night...Currently, women are evenly divided (47% O, 47% R). Last month, O led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among ...more
Oct 8, 12 10:18 PM appended by 27dan
Seriously... has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? and now bring on Biden lol.... That's gotta be terrifying for you Z. On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion. On the core issues of the economy and the deficit, Romney is now kicking the president's azz
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 8, 12 10:18 PM
Have the Yankees ever won a World Series in one game? Heck, you remind me of the type who enjoys the away team losing, more than the home team winning. BTW, gas prices are set by oil companies and their puppets, not the POTUS.

You still don't get it. We're still screwed no matter who wins. We're just more likely to be screwed far worse if Romney wins. It's a shame we can't re-elect Clinton, and I'm still wriiting in Ron Paul on principle. A real statement will be how Obama fares in ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 8, 12 10:34 PM
to 27dan:

Obama's poor performance in the debate has certainly hurt his standing but you exaggerate it by citing the ONLY poll that currently shows a lead for Romney. Obama is still ahead in the average of all polls and five points ahead in the Gallup poll that has the smallest margin of error (+/-2%)
Oct 9, 12 12:10 AM appended by highhatsize
Oops! Correction. On closer inspection I see that Gallup released TWO polls on Oct. 7. The one that ended BEFORE the debate showed a 5 point lead for Obama; the one taken AFTER the debate shows the candidates even.
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 9, 12 12:10 AM
There are a lot of stupid,gullible people out there high-fiving eachhother after falling for the lies told since the RNC.
What they don't realise is that Obama's chance of winning fell from 80% to about 75%.
It won't take long for Romney to screw up again.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 6:53 AM
More lies exposed:

New Report Exposes How the Forbes 400 Misleads About Wealth & Opportunity in the U.S.

Why:
Forbes claims that their list of the 400 richest Americans is “the definitive scorecard of wealth in America,” but the Forbes 400 does not tell the whole story.

Forbes understates the impacts of birthright and family privilege.
■Roughly 40% of the 2011 list received a significant advantage by inheriting a sizeable asset from a spouse or ...more
Oct 9, 12 8:13 AM appended by Mr. Z
United for a Fair Economy (UFE) is a national, independent, nonpartisan 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization based in Boston, Massachusetts. UFE raises awareness that concentrated wealth and power undermines the economy, corrupts democracy, deepens the racial divide, and tears communities apart. UFE supports and helps build social movements for greater equality.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 9, 12 8:13 AM
But our friends here believe that they're part of that 1%.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 12:48 PM
z,Ron Paul? The same Ron Paul who favors derugulation and slowly abolishing social security and medicare? I like Ron Paul but he doesnt sound like your cup of tea.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 9, 12 11:57 PM
Dude, that tin foil hat is the perfect avatar for you, lol, you gotta keep it .its hilarious!
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 8:42 AM
and some people aren't smart enough to recognize themselves in my avatar.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 11:51 AM
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By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 11:51 AM
ZZZZ, why do yo have such an issue with other people's financial situation, especially the wealthy? Your constant harping about and obvious jealousy of those who are extremely well off is tiresome and shows you to be a small, petulant man. I pity you, it's gotta be tough getting up every day pizzed off about something you have no control over and has nothing to do with you. Why not work for the wealthy in our area , trickle down works in our corner of the world.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 9, 12 5:39 PM
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By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 10, 12 6:59 AM
Yep, it's offickal.

You know nothing about me.

But keep your presumptions, if they make you happy. Ignorance of history, and economics is your failure, not mine. You must have the highest quality of bliss in existence...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 10, 12 5:56 PM
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By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 7:56 PM
Daily Swing State Tracking Poll: Romney 49%, Obama 47%
Tuesday, October 09, 2012
The full Swing State tracking update: A combined view of the results from 11 key states won by President Obama in 2008 and thought to be competitive in 2012. The states collectively hold 146 Electoral College votes and include Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.In the 11 swing states, Mitt Romney earns 49% support to Obama’s ...more
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 8:58 PM
Oh please... If I had 10 percent of 1 percent of what Sesame Street Merchandise makes in one week I could retire for life. Stop with the Big Bird crap and talk about the issues.
Oct 9, 12 8:23 PM appended by joe hampton
The world would be just fine without Terry Gross, PBS is not all that important as Juan Williams found out the hard way
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 9, 12 8:23 PM
That is what we've been saying to Romney.
By the reaper (22), north sea on Oct 10, 12 8:09 PM
A free country and capitalism absolutely sucks, for some. I wish I had the money he gave to charity.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 8:53 PM
It's the capitalists who manipulate the system that make it hard for everyody else.
Wishing you had the money e gave to charity would just be taking from those who need it more.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 9:12 PM
The previous message brought to you by Philathome and Occupy... anything they can.

For the record, I would have re-donated it to an animal charity, to be used for those that truely depend on others and can't fend for themselves.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:39 PM
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You have as much credibility as Romney.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:53 PM
Thank you.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 11:05 PM
LOL, just read this...Sesame Street isn’t amused. Sesame Workshop, issued a statement Tuesday saying “we do not endorse candidates or participate in political campaigns. We have approved no campaign ads, and as is our general practice, have requested that the ad be taken down.Big Bird, it seems, isn’t thrilled about his cameo in the presidential race.The folks at S.S. are asking the Obama campaign to pull down a TV ad that mocks Romney for vowing to yank the subsidy to PBS...Sorry ...more
Oct 9, 12 8:32 PM appended by joe hampton
Sorry Phil...Thanks for playing
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 9, 12 8:32 PM
Tim Bishop is the problem paying his daughter 400k of contributers money its disgusting.
By chief1 (1318), southampton on Oct 9, 12 9:09 PM
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Haaaaa look look at mine! haaaa, Phil, its a conspiracy, ROLTFLMAO Haaaaaaaa
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 9, 12 9:15 PM
Is that a self portrait?
By the reaper (22), north sea on Oct 10, 12 8:15 PM
Probably.

LOL
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:54 PM
State polling remains Obama and the media's last stand before acknowledging Romney's surge or declaring Obama in deep, deep trouble. Even though poll after poll shows Romney gaining in OH, VA, and FLA (there are even polls showing him only a few points down in PA and MI) the media's refused to acknowledge what the rest of us are seeing at the state level. This is a reality the media just doesn’t want to face and one they most certainly don't want to report.

By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 9, 12 9:24 PM
There is only one poll that matters. Thats the one taken on election day.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 9, 12 9:55 PM
that's right.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 9:57 PM
Romney attracts people who beleive whatever he is saying at this moment.
Don't like what he said?Give him a day,he'll change his positions.
Looks like he has the dimwit vote locked up.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 9, 12 9:57 PM
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You mean as opposed to the Obama-bots who just continue to spout the same old packaged talking points regardless of new information? I bet you still think our ambassador was sodomized and murdered because of an “anti Islam” internet video and not the terrorist attack on US soil that it was.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 8:43 PM
And why do you seem to enjoy demonstrating the worst traits that the right uses to make themselves look good?
Why do you desperatly want Obama to fail?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 8:55 PM
The republicans voted to cut embassy security for the last 2 years.They are also proposing to cut it even more.
They cut over $400 million in the last 2 years.

"For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department's Worldwide Security Protection program -- well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration. House Republicans cut the administration's request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:03 PM
Proposed cuts Phil... proposed.... as in, hasn't yet, or never did materialize. We have a dead Ambassador in 2012. Federal budgets run in two year cycles. In 2010 when funding levels would have been set in stone, democrats held both the House and Senate. This is a failure of leadership by Barack Obama, hence the cover up. If it iwere true what you claim, the lame stream democrat media would be all over it like stink on a monkey. Instead they are dodging and weaving trying to provide cover for ...more
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:27 PM
Fact-they cut $400 million from the State Departmant budget for embassy security over the last 2 years.

Jason Chaffitz admitted it on CNN.

The republicans in congress have blood on their hands.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:36 PM
... in 2014....
Oct 10, 12 10:43 PM appended by Captn America
... proposed, not yet enacted and subject to change.... Under Ryan’s budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:43 PM
Go to cnn.com and watch him admit it.
The republicans cut the embassy security budget and Americans died because of it.
That's okay with you.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 10:49 PM
The House doesn't control the budget. Any blood is ultimatley on the hands of Senate democrats.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 10, 12 11:04 PM
Article I,sectin 7 of the U.S. Constitutionfirst sentence....

"All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 7:20 AM
the republicans in congress have blood on their hands? Lets not be over dramatic. Technically you are correct about congress constitutionally holding the power of the purse but the reality is different. The president submits a budget to congress. The President lays out his priorities and how much money he wants allocated to each federal program. The President also sets forth his wishes in regards to taxes. Congress then develops its own budget as well as the senate budget comittee. They then posture, ...more
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 11, 12 3:50 PM
The reality is that he republican house cut funding for embassy security;Jason Chaffitz was on the committee that made the cuts.In his words "You have to set your prioritites".
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 7:22 PM
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By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Oct 11, 12 7:23 PM
So Phil are you arguing we should spend more money on defense? Isn't big bird and defense spending two of the major campaign issues the lobs are pushing.
By razza5350 (1544), East Hampton on Oct 11, 12 7:57 PM
I'm saying we should be careful about letting fools make cuts that the State Department and the President had spoken up against.
But,they had to set their priorities.And embassy security wasn't one of them.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 8:02 PM
dnice-how will you feel when your candidate loses?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 8:06 PM
Phil, the reality is the cuts never came to fruition, 1:40 in the CNN clip Chaffetz mentions this fact. They continued at the same funding levels. Watch the entire interview. What Chafettz does say is that the Obama administration wanted a sense of "normalization" and the security infrastructure did not meet minimum standards, and as we now know, requests were made for security upgrades but were denied by the State Department.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 8:12 PM
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By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 9:06 PM
How about posting the part that cuts that were voted on never came to fruition amd the State Department was funded at its same leve as the previopus year?
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 9:50 PM
You also fail to consider the nature of the vote which was part of negotiations to avoid a government shutdown. In this case, a continuing resolution was passed which funded the State Department at its same level.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 9:56 PM
He's not going to lose Phil.
By dnice (1334), Hampton Bays on Oct 11, 12 10:01 PM
I know you wouldn't post it, so here it is...

CHAFFETZ: Well, you’re also talking about a vote that never came to fruition because we actually continued at the exact same funding levels moving forward. This is a vote that happened over in the House but remember the Senate never got to this point. So we did a continuing resolution. So it’s a red herring. The reality is you have prioritize things and when you’re talking about such a small, small number of security personnel, ...more
Oct 11, 12 10:05 PM appended by Captn America
Another good example though of the Democrat Senate kicking the can down the street yet again.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 10:05 PM
"Democrats enacted $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011, and to $1.537 billion for 2012......"

"But House Republicans did not meet the president’s request for the department’s worldwide security protection program, which funds local guards ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 11:35 PM
Phil, to Chaffetz point that priorities need to be set, in a $1,557 billion budget for the State Department, the Obama administration FAILED to give the embassy the protection it needed and requested.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 3:36 AM
And his priorities included reducing funding for embassy security.
Nice job.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 1:22 PM
Which ultimately fell on the Obama State Department to decide how it should be spent. This was a policy decision, just as it was the decision not to arm the security detail.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:04 PM
And the Obama administration had to make policy choices that it was forced to because the republican house limited its options.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:13 PM
Watching liberals unravel after last week's presidential debate has been almost as entertaining as witnessing the thumping that Republican candidate Mitt Romney applied to the Democratic incumbent Barack Obama.
Spinning into orbit, liberals have concocted every known excuse for the trouncing: Obama was out of practice; he expected a different Romney to show up; he experienced incumbents' "opening debate syndrome" (that's a new one); he tried to look too presidential and above the fray; he inexplicably ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 9, 12 11:01 PM
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Looks like Biden made up for it.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 11:36 PM
Hardly. The excessive smiling and laughing by Biden was a defense mechanism and an expression of embarrassment, discomfort and confusion, rather than amusement. What's funny is that Ryan was interrupted 113 times in a 90 minute debate, but yet Biden was the one with the fake laughter. Ryan was composed and confident and respectful.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 10:34 AM
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Abides treated him as the lying weasel he is.
We still don't have any details about what r/r have in mind.If they have a plan,they aren't sharing it,which gives us reason to distrust them.
he had no clue about foreign policy,affirmed that
r.
/r kwould outlaw abortion
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 1:21 PM
As he should, your a barbaric self centered, race baiting, union sniffing, parasitic class warfare troll.
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 5:02 PM
Wow,can't address the issue so you resort to the lowest common denominator.
I'm shocked.
Shocked,I tell you!
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:12 PM
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By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 10, 12 9:35 AM
HEY, bf:

Jonathan Bloom: What You Don’t Know About American Food Waste

Americans make up five percent of the world’s population, but they generate 30 percent of the globe’s trash. If that’s not shocking enough, consider this: The individual American throws away some 197 pounds of food a year—that means over 100 billion pounds of food is wasted each year, roughly enough to feed about 1.7 billion people. In his book American Wasteland: How America Throws ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 11, 12 10:16 PM
But yet we have an obesity problem, go figure. I say get Mooshell on it.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 11, 12 10:59 PM
I say google that name, and see how much bigoted, and racist vitriol are in the results. Jim Crow is still on life support...
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 12, 12 7:41 PM
Z, spare me that crap. Let me lob you a big ol' softball, maybe you haven't noticed, but there are idiots on the internet. For the record, I noticed one tasteless site and multiple others poking fun at her dictating of diets, however, crow wasn't on the menu.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:01 PM
And your point is??!! Sounds like a problem that needs a GOVERNMENTAL solution, Obama to the rescue, nice diversion from the dismal economic and foreign policy situations we are in.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 12, 12 7:09 AM
I do work for your "wealthy".

They're the worst offenders.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 12, 12 6:04 PM
OBAMA CAMPAIGN FREAKOUT!
REAL CLEAR POLITICS
OBAMA LOCK UNDER 10 STATES
WAY TO GO JOE!
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 12, 12 4:23 PM
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Real Clear Politics-a right leaning site.

"RealClearPolitics is a political news and polling data aggregator[2] based in Chicago, Illinois. The site's founders say their goal is to give readers "ideological diversity".[3] They have described themselves as frustrated with what they perceive as anti-conservative, anti-Christian media bias
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 4:33 PM
Well then guinues, Riddle me this, From todays Daley Beast
"Joe Biden’s Rude Debate Laughter: The Joke’s on Him
by Michael Medved Oct 12, 2012 9:31 AM EDT

"What’s so funny, Biden? Why the veep’s rude chortles during last night’s faceoff constituted a new low in debate etiquette—and will only hurt his boss"



By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 12, 12 4:54 PM
So when Sarah Palin did it four years ago,it was different?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 6:20 PM
what's the difference between Palin and Ryan?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 8:25 PM
Lipstick.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 15, 12 9:22 AM
You can’t rely on anyone these days, you gotta do everything yourself, don’t we? That’s ok, I came prepared, it’s a funny world we live in. I took gotham’s white knight and I brought ‘im down to our level.
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 12, 12 4:44 PM
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Too funny you captured the moment
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 5:07 PM
Joe Biden Was Right To Laugh
by Matt Taibbi

I've never thought much of Joe Biden. But man, did he get it right in last night's debate, and not just because he walloped sniveling little Paul Ryan on the facts. What he got absolutely right, despite what you might read this morning (many outlets are criticizing Biden's dramatic excesses), was his tone. Biden did absolutely roll his eyes, snort, laugh derisively and throw his hands up in the air whenever Ryan trotted out his little beady-eyed ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 6:37 PM
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Phil you sure have alot of time too write these long stupid volumes of crap. I am seeing the connection between you and Obama. You must be on some sort of pension or goverment assistance which explains your unlimited time too praise our idiot and chief residing in the white house.As far as Joe Biden goes he was an embarrassment to the office of vice president. He was acting like a sixteen year old bully.
Mitt Romney paid over 3 million in taxes last year and has given million in charites so ...more
By chief1 (1318), southampton on Oct 12, 12 7:41 PM
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Sure, on the income the IRS knows about, chief. I especially enjoyed the last part about how he set up his IRA. Come on, defend this. I triple dog dare you.

By Tim Dickinson
October 12, 2012 9:00 AM ET

How does a private-equity kingpin worth at least $250 million pay a lower tax rate – just 14 percent – than many teachers and firemen? By exploiting tax loopholes that favor the rich and hiding his money in the world's most notorious havens for tax cheats. That's ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 12, 12 8:12 PM
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That "long stupid volumes of crap" was written by one of the most prominent and popular writers today.
Like your candidate,you show contempt for anyone who isn't as asinine and ignorant as yourself.
Biden schooled Ryan last night,interupting him to correct his lies and expose his empty plan that he can't explain.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 8:22 PM
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Part 2:

A BIG LOOPHOLE

For political purposes, Romney claims his investments are held in a blind trust that he doesn't actively manage. (In fact, the trust sees just fine: It's managed by a close friend and is invested heavily in his son Tagg's hedge fund.) But if Romney told the IRS he were merely a passive investor, he wouldn't qualify for his most notorious tax break: the loophole for carried interest.

Here's how it works: Bain partners earn a cut of the profits from ...more
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 12, 12 8:22 PM
Long stupid volumes of crap lol

Made me laugh good Chief

Mr Z I mean Phil does tend to bloviate horse shat... Matt Taibbi lol
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 12, 12 8:31 PM
Hey,Joe-they let you post here..
I guess that makes you an authority on crap.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 8:48 PM
And I suspect that Z would be more inclined to agree with me right now than you.
After all,we all know where your coming from.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 8:52 PM
Well, Bloomberg, Esquire, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Washington Post, Rolling Stone, and even Gawker have all uncovered and done some type of piece on the exact same "horse shat".

Joe, you look more and more like a troll with each passing post.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 12, 12 9:15 PM
Well,you know,Z-the mainstream media is biased.
That's what they were saying about CNN until a few posts above.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 9:20 PM
Doesn't Joe have a landscaping company?
No wonder he knows his fertiliser.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 9:22 PM
Esquire-

".......was so positively terrifying that it calls into question Romney's judgment for putting this unqualified greenhorn on the ticket at all. Joe Biden laughed at him? Of course, he did. The only other option was to hand him a participation ribbon and take him to Burger King for lunch."

By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 10:57 PM
The right is whining because their vice-presidential candidate couldn'-and wouldn't-exlain his "plan".
He even had the nerve to accuse the democrats ofnot wanting to work together with the republicans.
Imagine that-after the republicans used a record number of filibusters in the last two years and have made a concious effort to excuse thamselves from trying to help the country.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 8:51 PM
Ryan also made himself look foolish in the part of the debate about Afghanistan and foreign policy.
He said that he and Romney support the timeline that President Obama has for pulling the troops out,but we shouldn't broadcast when we're pulling our troops out.
WTF?
Which is it?
Biden was firm about reducing our troop numbers and made sure it was clear that we were stepping down as the Agani troops stepped up to fill in our place and that we would leave Afghanistan in 2014.
...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 10:00 PM
Oh, Obama is reducing troop numbers all right. Our troops are getting slaughtered. As of October 5, 2012, 1,467 under Obama vs. 575 under Bush.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:04 AM
Bush ignored Afghanistan in favor of the war he lied us into in Iraq-where his lies cost thousands of our servicepeople and many thousands of civilians their lives because Bush wanted to be a "war president".
All because of Bush's lies.
Then he allowed torture-which is okay with those who don't have any adherence to principles or law.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:25 AM
One of the two requests fro stimulus money that Ryan made was for some of that "Green Pork" that he was complaining about.Not only did he rail about the stimulus and request some of it,he then complains about green pork when he was requsting stimulus money for it for his own district.
Can you say hippocrate?
Twice over?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 9:18 PM
And Ryan being the stand up guy that he is, looked into it and took ownership and responsibility for the apparent oversight.

“After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled,” he said in a statement. “This is why I didn’t recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take ...more
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:34 PM
Ryan begged for stimulus money after condemning the stimulus bill.This wasn't social security or veterans affairs-it was hm trying to take advantage of money that became available after he spoke out against the very policy that delivered it to him.
He's a hippocrate and a liar.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:46 PM
Begged, really, I think not. It would appear that he wasn’t initially aware of the requests and the point isn't whether he asked for stimulus money regardless of how the request was made. If legislation you oppose becomes law, he was perfectly entitled to take advantage of that law. Just as Obama may favor campaign contribution limits, but since the law says that's not the rule in force, he is entitled to seek every contribution he can.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:54 PM
I guess he was sleep-walking when he signed those letters?

And now HE WAS ENTITLED?

LOL!
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:57 PM
This is a great example of how far left the democrat party has swung in recent years. It's a speech from JFK in 1962 menioned during the debate. You'd never hear a democrat utter these words today. It was chilling to hear given the demonization of business, capitalism and profits we hear from the Left.

KENNEDY: When consumers purchase more goods, plants use more of their capacity, men are hired instead of laid off, investment increases, and profits are high. Corporate tax rates must ...more
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:12 PM
Tax rates have been cut-twice by Bush in 2001 and 2003.
Where are the jobs?
The economy began declining during Bush's 2nd term.
No jobs were created from those tax cuts.
Bush's policies took the economy over the edge,and now,what does Romney want to do?
Cut taxes.
What the republicans call "trickle down" is really just a golden shower.
It doesn't work,but if we elect Romney,he'll be sure to return to the policies that put us here.
We've had close to 3 yers of privare ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:34 PM
Name one democrat today who embraces the principles cited by JFK in his speech? JFK sure sounds like a republican! Bush had an average unemployment rate of 5.2%. That sounds like a lot of employed people. Obama's lowest unemployment rate is W's highest. Sure the economy slowed, we had a housing bubble burst, maybe you heard about it. But not the fault of W.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:45 PM
It was republican policies that put us here.
The entire democratic party embraces the principles of JFK
It's the republican party and its present candidates who need to find principles to embrace.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:49 PM
The entire democratic party embraces the principles of JFK"

"HAHHAHAHAHAHAH.... I just fell out of my chair. Good one.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:51 PM
Its interesting that your embracing democratic principles since your party is so principle-challenged.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:52 PM
As JFK said, "It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget, just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits." This is NOT the democrats of today.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:56 PM
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Ryan made it clear he is willing to go to war again for no good reason.
He wants to cut everything except defense-on the backs of the people who are suffering the most.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:00 AM
No, what he said was "We want to prevent war."
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:15 AM
Listen to his non-answer again.
The moderator cornered him and he didn't answer.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:17 AM
It's the republican party that has moved-moved to the far right,creating a vacuum in the center where it has been purging all its centrists in favor of the radical conservatives like the tea party.
It's become the party of radialism,racism and corporate sell-outs.There is little regard for the middle class,just support for an aristochracy that would take away the rights of minorities,women,the poor and working people-all in the name of profit.The radicals advocate corporate fuedalism-the desire ...more
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:42 PM
That's one of the biggest lies you keep spinning. 1962, JFK, tax cuts, avoidance of debt, national security, avoiding hampering by restrictive tax rates.....democrat. The democrat party of today is the polar opposite which is evidence of the shift to the radical left.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:49 PM
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Like I said-


Its interesting that your embracing democratic principles since your party is so principle-challenged.

philathome (3391), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:52 PM
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:56 PM
Like I said, that's not the democrat principles of today.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 12, 12 11:57 PM
How do you know.
Your judgement is questionable.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:03 AM
But I can at least taste the chicken.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:09 AM
That's not chicken-it's the republican crapburgers you've been fed.
But,hey-enjoy.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:11 AM
Please don't disrespect JFK.
By Captn America (4183), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:16 AM
Like you respect him.You've made it clear all you respect is money and the power that comes with it.
Why don't you respect the present president?
Is it okay that someone shoots out the windows one of his campaign spots?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:21 AM
Like you respect him.You've made it clear all you respect is money and the power that comes with it.
Why don't you respect the present president?
Is it okay that someone shoots out the windows one of his campaign spots?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:21 AM
Who's disrespecting JFK? He reduced taxes for the wealthy from 91% to 77%. That's a far cry from the 35% they pay today while the lower and middle class is still paying essentially the same rates they paid fifty years ago.

In 1963 someone making the equivalent of today's $40,000 paid 26%, it went down to 23.5% in 1964, today it is 25%.
Today's $60,000 in 1963 was 34%, down to 30.5% in 1964 , today it is 25%.
The top rate for today's $1.47 million in 1963 was 91%, in 1964 it ...more
By VOS (612), WHB on Oct 13, 12 3:28 AM
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It's rather interesting how the more our progressive tax system has been hacked away at with an ax, the worse things have become.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 13, 12 4:23 PM
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Hey Z easy, I was just laughing and the way Chief made it sound... I am aloud to laugh at the way a comment sounded.Wow, Even you have to admit you guys (guy) are the biggest bloviaters for your radical view point in here...Relax, obama still has a chance.Even if this Libya thing and the cooking of the books on the job numbers are looking worse by the moment.
By joe hampton (1810), south hampton on Oct 13, 12 12:07 AM
More conspiracy theories.
They're out to get you,Joe.
Put on your tin-foil hat and huddle in the basement with the other mad hatters.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:13 AM
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and don't forget your crapburgers.
Maybe you can get rush,hannity or levin to cook for you.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 12:14 AM
Conspiracy theories? Those are for the ignorant.

Clandestine arrangements for the attainment and concentration of power? Those are for the educated to ferret out and be privy to.

Try looking into "water mining" sometime.
By Mr. Z (6217), North Sea on Oct 13, 12 9:49 AM
huddle in the basement with the other mad hatters, HaAHHAHAHAha
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 13, 12 1:26 PM
<--------- Hey everyone Phil told me in bed last night that Mittens is a Mexican.Yep he says Forty years ago, Mitt Romney's father, George Romney, entered the Republican presidential primary against Richard Nixon. His campaign didn't progress very far, but it if had, we may have seen a Democratic-led birther conspiracy. That's because George was born in Mexico so Mitt Romney was also born in Mexico. ITS A CONSPIRACY!
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 1:51 PM
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Still can't address the issues and doing whatever you can to prove what I've said all along..
You can't debate issues without resorting to the usual grade school stuff.
The mad hatters-they don't have a hat of their own.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 4:02 PM
This just posted on the AP web site,
"Do black people support Obama because he's black?"
Are you frigging kidding, This is the kind of garbage question they ask as if we are all dumb?
Yes, 95 percent of Blacks support O Because he is Black.
Is this the kind of ridiculous article you want to "debate" Phil?
Because we will not engage in such a obvious discussion.
Oct 13, 12 6:01 PM appended by 27dan
Has anyone else noticed that Gary DePersia looks just like Joe Biden.
By 27dan (988), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 6:01 PM
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Got a picture here of a guy at a Romney rally wearing a romney/Ryan t-shirt that says "put the white back in the white house"
No one at the rally objected to it.
Among republicans,it's acceptable.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 7:03 PM
Kind of like shooting out the window of one of Obama's campaign storefronts.
I didn't hear any righties condemning that.
again,it's acceptable behavior
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 7:08 PM
Of course blacks are going to support Obama over Romney and the republicans.They know who is more interested in helping them.
By you're statement we can assume that you support Romney just because he's white.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 7:12 PM
How does anyone know it was not a campaign worker. Sounds to me like desperation trying to still up the base.
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 14, 12 5:39 PM
As usual,the right won't take responsibility or condemn a violent act.
Where we're you that night?
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 15, 12 9:22 AM
Phil said "The entire democratic party embraces the principles of JFK"
So Now you Jack Kennedy.
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 13, 12 6:18 PM
And you're still Bozo the Klown
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 13, 12 7:13 PM
SIDNEY, Ohio (AP) — The crowds tell the story. As Election Day nears, Mitt Romney is drawing large and excited throngs.
Look to dusty Iowa cornfields, rain-soaked Virginia parks, the muddy fields of the Shelby County Fairgrounds, where a crowd of 9,500 — almost half of this western Ohio town — gathered among the barns and stables on a frigid October evening this week to glimpse the Republican presidential contender.

Oct 14, 12 5:36 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
"Where else would we want to be?" said one of the shivering faithful, Judy Cartwright, a 71-year-old nurse from Sidney. "I want to see the next president of the United States."
By Undocumented Democrat (667), southampton on Oct 14, 12 5:36 PM
Phil said , "blacks are going to support Obama over Romney and the republicans.They know who is more interested in helping them."
Really ? The beautiful and not white Stacy Dash said Thursday
"Vote for Romney. The only choice for your future,"
When hater Chris Rock used a raciest remark to criticize her statement Stacy replied " to Martin Luther King, Jr. when defending her choice to vote for Romney over Obama in the 2012 election. "I chose him not by the color of his skin, but the content ...more
By They call me (1039), southampton on Oct 14, 12 5:54 PM
to They Call Me:

... and Jenna Jameson, honest woman that she is, endorses Romney as well, explaining, "When you're rich, you want a Republican in office."
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 14, 12 9:49 PM
Jenna Jameson and Romney both made their money the same way.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 15, 12 9:20 AM
Biden does look like Gary except his teeh are not as perfect!! All the above has to do the Mitt/O when the original article has to do with Randy/Tim. why the change in the attacks? Randy is a businessman who did his job outsoursing and now that has ended. Bishop did his job by hiring every family member possible and then run SH college into so much red ink it had to close. Has Timmy pointed out all his successful "legislation" of the past ten years? No because there is none. Randy has shown ...more
By xtiego (303), bridgehampton on Oct 14, 12 7:56 PM
PS we are just 1 heart attack, plane going down, etc. for Biden to be our next Pres. Scared Now?
By xtiego (303), bridgehampton on Oct 14, 12 7:57 PM
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More fear kmongering from the right.
some people prefer to be kept in the dark about a politicians intentions-Romney and Ryan won't tell us what their plans are and that doesn't scare them.
ignorance is bliss.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 15, 12 9:19 AM
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By Steven (113), Westhampton on Oct 14, 12 8:05 PM
Biden destroyed sour faced Ryan in the debate, and Job Shipping Randy, the New Jersey carpetbagger will lose to our distinguished Congressman, Tim Bishop.

After Randy loses do you think he will take the Lincoln Tunnel or the George Washington Bridge when he returns home?
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Oct 14, 12 8:05 PM
to Steven:

Air India.
By highhatsize (2112), East Quogue on Oct 14, 12 9:42 PM
Successful capitalist vs political hack who has lived on the govt. teat for decades. I'll vote for the man who has created jobs both here and abroad instead of the man who has created ummmm ummm Beuhler Beuhler??

So you admit that Barry Soetoro has purchased the black vote by "helping" (wink wink) them?

Blacks voting for our Marxist in Chief is OK with you, but whites voting for a white candidate based on race is somehow wrong? Please elaborate.
By bigfresh (1209), north sea on Oct 15, 12 7:04 AM
Our country isn't just about capitalism;it's about community and looking out for each other.It's too bad that all you see others as are sheep to fleece.
Obama gets the black vote like Romney attracts the low information voters.H does to have your vote locked up.
By philathome (8936), Southampton on Oct 15, 12 9:15 AM
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