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Debating for the second and final time before Election Day, Republican State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle and Democratic challenger Southampton Town Councilwoman Bridget Fleming clashed in East Hampton on Monday evening, focusing in part on campaign finance reform and the state-mandated tax levy cap.
Fielding questions from the audience and the League of Women Voters of the Hamptons, which sponsored the debate, as well as Bryan Boyhan, editor of The Sag Harbor Express, and David Rattray, editor of The East Hampton Star, the candidates addressed an array of topics, from coastal erosion to pension reform. Carol Mellor of the League of Women Voters of the Hamptons moderated.
Ms. Fleming repeated criticisms of the senator’s spending record, again accusing him of allocating $140,000 of taxpayer money to fund campaign-style mailers, which she displayed... more
Fielding questions from the audience and the League of Women Voters of the Hamptons, which sponsored the debate, as well as Bryan Boyhan, editor of The Sag Harbor Express, and David Rattray, editor of The East Hampton Star, the candidates addressed an array of topics, from coastal erosion to pension reform. Carol Mellor of the League of Women Voters of the Hamptons moderated.
Ms. Fleming repeated criticisms of the senator’s spending record, again accusing him of allocating $140,000 of taxpayer money to fund campaign-style mailers, which she displayed... more
Bridget has not made up her mind yet because Anna Throne-Holst has not told her how to vote yet. She just votes in lock step with ATH and always has.
She is a wind bag and does has a good line of bs.
Whoever said this woman is good looking needs an eye exam.
Chief, I go to almost all the Town Board meetings, and to call Bridget Fleming's comments "Gibberish" is more than a bit much. You and others may disagree with her remarks, but I don't think you'd find much company ...more in that characterization of what she has to say.
Reg rep, your lines are getting so old, but to be honest, I suppose mine are, too. The difference, of course, is that I'm right and you're wrong. Anyway, if you knew about this beach rebuilding project, you'd know that most of it is to be funded by the oceanfront property owners affected, but that about 10% is to be paid for by the Town because there are some public beaches in the target area. Several Town Board members, not just ATH and Bridget Fleming, have reservations about putting public money into moving sand that will go away again in a short time, as it always does. Makes sense to me.
I quote: Mr. LaValle touted his vote in favor of Tier 6 pension plan—legislation that Ms. Fleming said she was not fully familiar with ..."
Bridget said:
“I have not decided how I am going to vote on that because it is very important to save our beaches,” she said, “but it’s also very important not to spend millions and millions of dollars on something that there’s no ...more guarantee it’s going to work, and it may have harmful environmental impacts.”
George you seem to know for sure as you stated above that the sand will be gone. In your view its a waste of money and time to do the beach restoration/rebuilding. It will not save our beaches as Bridget said above and it may even be harmful to the environment and will be costly as Bridget also stated. If all of this is the case its a no brainer she should VOTE NO! And you George should get a life, attending all those town board meeting is making mush out of your brain.
"GO ROMNEY"
@to all - Don't neglect Election Day please vote for the candidate(s) of your choice.
It may be ...more fun to read these postings but all the spin meisters in the world should have no effect on you. Listen to what the candidates say, not the pundits or their spinmeisters, see what the candidates of done in the past and think hard about whether or not you can trust them to do in office what they swear they will do while campaigning.
If you need to rely on spin meisters to decide who to vote for, perhaps you shouldn't vote for any of the candidates for that (those) office(s). Vote your own conscience and don't surrender your vote to any political huckster - left, center or right. Generations of men and women have given their lives to preserve our right to vote, exercise that vote in a way that honors them.
Good night, George, Good night Reg Rep.
Why Obama over Romney for me, First the matter of who gets to appoint Federal District Court, Circuit Court of Appeals and Supreme Court judges and justices. It is those in the black robes who are the ultimate arbiters of our fate as individuals and as a nation. Life tenures give those women and men decades to craft our course. No question in my mind that Obama's choices would be closer philosophically to my own than Romneys.
Second the concerted ...more effort on tbe part of House and Senate Republicans from the first day of Obama's term to quote make him a one term President didn't sit well with me when stated and remains the same. Putting party over the nation as they have makes me even my suspicious of what they might do with a Romney Presidency.
Obama never had a solid 60 votes in the Senate. That argument about his first two years wit majorities in House and Senate is specious. He never had a hard 60 votes in the Senate. So I do not discredit Obama for the inability to achieve more during his first term.
Third social issues = Women's Rights, Gay, Lesbian, Transexual Rights Rights. Obama in a landslide over Romney.
I strongly believe all Americans should be treated fairly and equally.
Separation of church and state. Let every religion flourish to the extent it attracts followers, but no religion or group of religions should be able to dictate their own religious beliefs or tenets to those who religious or lack of religious tenets are different. We should all be able to determine our own beliefs and moral compasses so long as those beliefs do not harm others. I understand the deep nature of the controversy over abortion. I understand that some hold deep in their hearts that live begins at conception and they should never be forced to have that medical procedure, but nor should their religious beliefs be imposed upon those who do not share their vision of when life begins.
Do I agree with Obama on everything. No, not at all. I much to the chagrin of my more liberal friends am a strong believer in the right to bear arms. We should never place ourselves in a position where we are unable to defend ourselves.
I don't trust Romney. He has been on more sides of more issues than Carter had little liver pills (if you are old enough to understand that reference). I have never believed in trickle down economics and in my life time I have not seen trickle down economics be successful.
You also raise a question concerning the attack in Libya. Actually to me that is a non-issue for a number of reasons. Clearly Obama, the Commander in Chief who order the death of Bin Laden is no slouch when it comes to our defense or taking down terrorists. Moreover there are a number of strong national defense and intelligence reasons to hold back making public too quickly what we do or don't know when it comes to foreign policy. Sometimes a bit of disinformation is a necessary evil when it comes to foreign policy.
If you follow my train of thought above. in all its length, you will note that I am strongly on the side of individual rights. I have concerns about corporations, who by law are created to make a profit, not to promote patriotism, not to hold allegiance to any one nation, being treated as some kind of cure-all panacea for our nation. Nor do I belief that the attributes required to "be a successful business person" (read - make money) are the same attributes necessary to govern a nation.
So if many of Romney's potential voters are more or less anybody but Obama, perhaps you can classify me as anybody but Romney.
For many of the same reasons I will hold my nose and vote for Tim Bishop over Mr. Altshuler.
If still consider me a smart man and wish I will explain to you why I am more likely to vote for Ken LaValle than I am for Bridget Fleming for the State Senate position. (Many different factors and consideration in that race, and in spite of my philosophical differences on social issues with the Senator).
Now I have run on for a sufficient amount of space to allow Mr. Lynch to condemn me for lack of brevity, but I did want to give you a better perspective on my reasons to re-elect President Obama. And, no, I don't expect that anything I have typed here is going to convince you to do likewise.
That is what part of what makes our country great.
Instead they just sat on their hands
Even Mitch McConnell siad that the first priority was to make Obama a one-term president.
Not jobs-retaking power.
If there is any disaster it is a shared disaster at best. Congress, especially the House, has constitutional duties that, in my opinion, it choose to ignore.
Your opinion differs from mine. History will be the final arbiter of what kind of presidency Obama had.
You will have to agree that the economic plight Obama inherited (and agree he inherited it and did not create it) was the worst the world has seen seen the Great Depression of 1929.
So let us agree where we can and disagree where we can not.
And we are not still at 15% unemployment. Well only if we change the manner by which we determine unemployment. But we both know that that is simply a Republican attempt to discredit Obama even when he deserves some credit. Not a game I choose to play or accept in making my determinations.
I prefer to neither change the rules nor horses in mid-stream.
If Obama is a one term president its his own fault.
So I must respectfully disagree with you on that Reg Rep.
The faults and there were plenty from Obama as well as the Dem and Rep leadership in both Houses lies with all three. The House has forgotten how to legislate from the center regardless of which party is in control and in the Senate takes 41 votes to frustrate the majority.
When the loyal opposition says no to everything its pretty hard to run the country. You may disagree with Obama's political leanings, but he is a lot more the centrist than Romney. And we know the Tea Party coalition in your party remains hard to the right of center.
So I maintain over the last two years the House has to shoulder much of the blame. During the first two years the left wing of the Dems has to share the blame. And during the entire four years the Reps in the Senate refused to step up and compromise.
So not crap, Reg.
Frankly I expect to see the President re-elect with both popular and electoral college vote majorities. Close yes, but I will harken back to my military days and remind us both that close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Accept that government by stalemate is not government and that Reps need to share the blame. You don't have to do so publicly, although that would be appreciated, but to paraphrase one of my favorite conservative republicans "in your heart you know I'm right."
Take care Reg.
Have anothe glass of Kool-aid
Secondly if you read my pists you might have concluded my libertarian streak puts me closer to Rep. Ron Paul.
So ...more don't paint everyone who supports Obama as some tool of the liberal media. Obama does not apologize to the world thats just bs. He doesnt ravor muslim noations any more than Bush did. He is not a juslim. He is not a socialist.
He has his faults, all of us do. But this right wing character assassination of him is just plan unamerican. You don't agree with his policies fine. Right now the country is pretty much divided in half. That is not a good thing, butmit is where we are.
There are plenty of logical argumetns for both sides. So please stop the disinformation campaign. At least we know where Obama stands on the various issues. Romney has been disappointing in his failure to tkae one position and maintain it. I don't knowmwhat we get with a Romney presidency, but I do know he is no Ronald Reagan and apart from Reagan(a guy who knew when to compromise - a trait sadly missing from most natioanl elected Republcans these days) our economy has suffered more under Rep presidents and congresses than Dems. You wanna call that socialism hey its your mouth the word comes out of. But take a look at europe whcih tried the romney/ryan ecnomic solution and see how poorly it has faired.
You wanna just criticize everything Obama does, nothing I can say or do will change that, you wanna use your grey matter and consider the pluses of Obamas Term with its minuses more power to you. But please don't accuse others of being tools of liberal media if all you do is tow the Murdoch line.
I do not trust Obama and I never did.
This will be an even better country with Romney in the White House.
Be Well.
Now then, back to business: In all the many times you've criticized my posts, I think you've always had the intellectual honesty to specify exactly what it was that caused you to to take objection, and exactly why, usually at length and in detail.
This time, not so much. Uncharacteristically, you've ...more just villified me without stating any specific grounds other than an alleged want of credibility. That doesn't cut it.
I wrote about three substantive items: [1] What Fleming said about Tier 6 at the East Hampton debate; [2] Whether many objective observers would agree with a general characterization of Fleming's Town Board participation as "gibberish;" and [3] the advisability of Town participation in a beach renourishment project now under consideration.
If you have something substantive to say about my comments on any or all of these matters, say it. Otherwise, slink off.
To borrow a sound bite from StarKist Tuna commercials of old, "Sorry, George".
My ...more comment to Reg Rep was directed at her reference to Mr. Romney and not to Senator LaValle or Councilperson Fleming. My reference to you was general (your lack of credibility overall) not your posts in this thread. I simply don't take your posts as accurately reflecting reality. I suspect that many others have arrived at the same conclusion concerning your posts. And that George is your own gosh darn fault.
Finally, George, despite your slink off comment, we both enjoy our First Amendment Rights and I am sure will continue to do so.
Good night, George, Good night Gracie.
Harry Von Zell signing off.
You do know how to read, don't you George? Your hypersensitivity to my comments is something you might wish to to work on.
Weather the storm well, my friend, and try to work on not overreacting to my posts. It is not very becoming of an officer of the Southampton Democratic Committee.
Ms. Fleming just isnt ready for the State Senate, period.
I wish her he best and hope she will be all right.
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