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Democrats won big on Tuesday, both nationally, with the reelection of President Barack Obama, and locally, as Suffolk County voters returned incumbent Tim Bishop to his seat in the U.S. House of Representatives for a sixth term.
Flanked by his family—his daughters, Molly and Meghan, his young grandson, Noah, and his wife, Kathy—Mr. Bishop, a Southampton native, spoke passionately and proudly about his victory over Republican Randy Altschuler to an intimate but vocal crowd in Islandia, whose enthusiasm was so loud that it interrupted his victory speech at times.
“I knew it was a tough race, but I’m not surprised,” he said at the Marriott Hotel, where Suffolk County Democrats gathered on election night. “I mean, I knew it was tough. I knew it was going to be close—we all did. But,... more
Flanked by his family—his daughters, Molly and Meghan, his young grandson, Noah, and his wife, Kathy—Mr. Bishop, a Southampton native, spoke passionately and proudly about his victory over Republican Randy Altschuler to an intimate but vocal crowd in Islandia, whose enthusiasm was so loud that it interrupted his victory speech at times.
“I knew it was a tough race, but I’m not surprised,” he said at the Marriott Hotel, where Suffolk County Democrats gathered on election night. “I mean, I knew it was tough. I knew it was going to be close—we all did. But,... more
That alone is priceless.
He has a home in Ca.......I wonder how he'll do there?
What an amazing night for democrats and sane Americans!!
Congrats Sen. LaValle on handily winning your race!
Bridgette back to fulfilling your FULL term on the SHTB... Now you can concentrate on the remainder of your commitment to the people of this town, rather than wasting anymore energy on try to step up and out of the office you were elected to. When one runs for an elected office those who vote for you expect at the very for you to complete your term.... Possibly ...more even those such as I who didn't vote for you as well.
The voices of Darkness have been silenced for a while.
Anger, greed, and divisiveness did not win the day, but rather have sulked back into their black hole, to fester and recharge.
Chances are, they will return.
Keep the Faith!
Today this country has hopefully proven that it wants to go forward with egalitarianism, and the principles of it's founders. There is no "I" in team, and it's time to build a sane society where the full content of your character determines your path, not how many green purchasing rectangles your lack of scruples can attain.
Best ...more of luck to all those who attained office, and my advice is not to forget the people who allowed you to be there. Because if you don't, they will surely choose to forget about you.
MY FLAG IS FLYING UPSIDE DOWN TODAY AS WE ARE TRULY IN DISTRESS
LET'S HOPE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXCESSES COMING DOWN THE ROAD
Sounds like you filled your diaper,though.
Flying a flag upside down without a bona fide life threatening emergency is a prosecutable offense, and a clear violation of the flag code. Isn't the flag code something a bona fide "patriot" should know?
Reminds me of trying to stop a mad dog from chasing its tail over and over and over
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Sad
The republican party is in some deep doodoo if this is how they respond.
And "winning" is an ubiquitous with little value other than a sporting event. It does not wholly define success.
A******
Talk about unintended consequences. Hah!
It would be helpful for the future of man and woman kind, in my opinion, if the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity here would realize that the ship gets to port much more quickly if everyone is rowing in the same direction.
Or, if the jockey re-positions in the saddle so as to face ...more forward toward the finish line, in alignment with the horse!
Or, as Mr. Miyagi used to say, "Car get to garage better if driver stop focus on rear-view mirror, and look through windshield."
Pick your metaphor, but let's all join hands and start cleaning up the messes we ALL see.
Now what should WE do about them?
SOCIAL JUSTICE COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!
Thank you for your patriotism and service to this once great nation.
I am truly sorry we could not win this one for you, but you will not be forgotten, even if this administration and the press that cover for it did not value your lives We the people did. and with a tear in my eye would like to humbly say you will not be forgotten and
THANK YOU
You guys need a new play book.
Or get used to getting your butt whipped.
I guess we can count on you to maintain the ignorance level for your entire party.You're the perfect person for it.
He ran a very dirty campaign financed by the Koch brothers and it failed.
President Obama and Tim Bishop's reelection is great news for America and for the world.
Exemplary mewling!
A special good-bye to:
Randy Atschuler, Alan West, Joe Walsh, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdok, Danny Rehberg, Linda McMahon, Josh Mandel, et al. You will not ...more be missed.
I guess that cappie will also continue the divisiveness that Rush and Hannity are encouraging.
No wonder the far right is so bitter.Look at who they listen to,then parrot like bobbleheaded lemmings.
I said it before and cappie confirms it.
He's nothing but a delusional groin thinker poised like a leemong at the edge of the cliff,with Rush and Hannity behind pushing.
Nothing like confirming,once again,what ...more I've been saying.
You aren't too smart,are you.
I see a few on the right have seen that the recent direction of their party know that they need to change direction;that isn't to say that they abandon their values,but they know that they must seize control of the republican party from the extremists and ideologues who are dictated to by talk radio.
I hope they cn do it and restore the republican party to its previous glory.Otherwise we will ...more most assredly welcome them under the large tent of the dmocratic party.
There is room for discussion snd (gasp!!) compromise.
I've been on the losing end many times,but,like yourself,I held onto the positions that I truly beleived to be correct and re-evaluated what I beleived needed o be re-thought.
I can be extreme-I know and admit it.But I also will meet force with force-as you will.
There are elements within your party that need to be convinced that compromise (there's that word again) and cooperation-a give and take on both sides-will ...more acheive a lot.Not everything either side wants-but the all or nothing argument is a loser for all of us.
All he proved was he fights dirty and has a ridiculous amount of $$$$ to throw away on a losing campaign.
What did we learn from him throughout his TWO failed campaigns that inspire confidence in him being involved in small town politics?
Perhaps Randy can be appointed Goodwill Ambassador to India
Also, he lost by a LARGER margin this time than the first time. By your logic, that makes him LESS well known, right?
They're so old, they tend to crumble under your feet...
I laughed for a week after I heard that one...
They paid the price for making war on women.
so we can stop laughing at you and your discreditied extremist ideology.
You can start by explaining how the democratic party has stopped promoting capitalism and liberty.
Here's a starter, check the number of businesses who are closing their doors and laying off staff because of Obama policies.
If businesses are laying people off and closing their doors,it's because the politics of fear you've been selling worked.
Prove that your extremist positions are supported by the majority.
Especially since they were rejected in the election.
You got nothing.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!
It occurs to me that for the East End, nothing has been changed by this election, all the way up the line: same Asemblyman, same State Senator, same Congressman, same U.S. Senator, same GOP-controlled House of Representatives, same Dem-controlled U.S. Senate, ...more same President. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but there's been a lot of money spent, and a lot of noise made,with everything staying just as it was before the election. Kind of makes you wonder.
It's time for us to come together to find solutions to the preoblems we face.There are some here who will still listen to the voices of division who are still calling for the continuation of the previous approaches-did anybody listen to Limbaugh or Hannity yesterday or last might? No sign of unity,just a pledge of divisiveness,doubling ...more down and continuing the fight.It's poison to the American people.
(and yes-I had to take a shower after listening to both of them)
Because now ...more we are going to really need the lords help!
Vaya con Dios, Amigo.
I hope you get a real one...
And remember they can try and take our rights, but they will never take "our FREEDOM!"
God speed and a safe trip
LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and ...more that “at the end of the day, I need to survive.” The Dow alone lost 314 points today. There’s a tsunami coming and if you didn’t think this election had consequences, just wait.” I'll wait for you outside the building becuase I think we need to talk bout this
Now that employer has increased unemployment soley because he is a sore loser,but worse yet,he is a dirtbag because he may have chosen to ruin at least 22 lives,not to mention hurting families,including children,because he's an a-hole.
I feel sorry for his other employees.
add it to the list.
Sounds like a landslide.
According to their staffs,after what the republicans argued was the most important election of our time,told the President that "they were asllep"
The republicans appear to want to continue their stupid games.
I',m sure the righties on this site will approve of their actions;what it shows is exactly what I've ...more spoken about-it isn't about his policies,it's about disrespecting the man.
" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."
The BILLIONS
" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."
The BILLIONS
The people have spoken.
Phil, I would not be surprised if Congress continues to block. The contempt on both sides seems to be in full effect and currently I am not hopeful. My eyes are starting to open, maybe others will as well. We will see.
True,both sides need to bend;hopefully the republicans will be willing to give up a little and the democrats won't become arrogant and demand more than they can get.
The Golden Rule, however, will likely remain strong (He who has the gold makes the rule).
Have a good weekend.
Once nature was defined by four, then ...more five elemtents consisting of Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and later Aether was added. Now, we have a Periodic Table of over one hundred twenty. Science is the natural evolution of Religion, and someday just may wholly take over it's place in our society.
"Faith" is always so generically associated with having to believe in a supreme being. As an Agnostic, I find that sad, and kind of disturbing. I hope that in the days that follow we put our faith in US, meaning eachother. It's been over 2,000 years. Get off your ***, and quit waiting for one man to return and "save" you. The man can never rest in peace, as long as you call on his eternal soul. I'll get hate mail for this, and I know the world is not ready, but: We don't need a Savior.
We need to save us, from ourselves...
"Nature abhors a vacuum."
Well said all around. Have a good weekend.
It's not even Thanksgiving but televangelist Pat Robertson is warning that the "War on Christmas" is back and this time the "miserable" atheists won't stop until no one can enjoy the holiday.
The 700 Club on Monday reported that the city of Santa Monica had decided to prohibit churches from setting up nativity displays in a public park ...more because atheists also set up their own display with an anti-religion message.
"The Grinch is trying to steal our holiday," Robertson complained. "It's been so beautiful, the nation comes together, we sing Christmas carols, we give gifts to each other, we have lighted trees and it's just a beautiful thing."
He added: "Atheists don't like our happiness. They don't want you to be happy. They want you to be miserable. They're miserable so they want you to be miserable. So they want to steal your holiday away from you."
get over it-the peole spoke and a substantial majority chose Obama.
You can do away with the self- descriptionkii
"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
Bye Bye...Randy.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!
Seems a bit disproportionate to me notice the pattern
Blue = The takers with no personal responsibility / heavily unionized more divorced woman than married with an abortion clinic on every other corner.
Red = The rest of us
Red states take more than they pay in taxes while blue states pay more than they get back.
Another verifiable fact.
The states with the higher prevalence of advanced, or post secondary degrees are blue.
Tomorrow only even-handed comments may be posted.
Your comment is not odd enough. Please re-post tomorrow. Have a good-Natured weekend.
Laura Ingrahm said that the tea party "Invigorated" the republican party.
It invigorated them right into losing several senate seats that they should have won and into losing an election-by a lot.
Look at all the anger I inspire with only words.
""8 Nov 2012 11:51 AM Will The Right's Fever Break? Ctd
When you have divided the world into two categories - freedom or tyranny - and there is no ground whatever between them, you are not only among the least intelligent commentators out there; you also have to be completely fanatical even in the face of popular repudiation.
I watched Fox last ...more night. Every pore on Sean Hannity's face quivered. He seemed close to tears at times. He blamed Obama for a horribly negative campaign. He basically told the majority of Americans who voted for a president Hannity actually seems to believe is the worst in modern times that they will now deserve their enslaved state
The performance artist, Ann Coulter, just Etch-A-Sketched immediately to 2014. She cannot process the past, and yet she preposterously calls herself a conservative. Her gig is attacking - in the crudest, snarkiest, most cynical fashion - anything she can decide to call "liberal". To ask her to reflect retroactively on a massive realigning loss for her kind of slash-and-burn conservatism was to ask her to do something she has no capacity to do.
O'Reilly was fascinating and immediately explained the result as a function of there being too many black and Latino and young voters who voted for "free stuff." At no point last night did anyone on Fox even mention the four democratic victories for marriage equality across the country. When they referred to the Colorado marijuana legalization, they cut to a teenager bragging that he was going to get stoned tonight. William F Buckley was in favor of legalization. These performers had no argument as such; they just had contempt.
Yes, I watched for Schadenfreude purposes. These charlatans and money-grubbers have turned the broad tradition of Anglo-American conservatism into Southern Fried Fanaticism - and I wanted to see them crackle in their batter. They have replaced empirical doubt with unerring faith in an ideology that had its moment over thirty years ago and is barely relevant to the world we now live in. That faith has been cynically fused with fundamentalist religion to make it virtually impossible for the GOP to accept that women are the majority of voters in this country, that gay couples are equal to straight ones, that 11 million illegal immigrants simply cannot be expected to "self-deport" en masse by a regime of terrifying policing, that war is a last and not a first resort, that the debt we have is primarily a function of two things: George W. Bush's presidency and the economic collapse his term ended with.
This kind of total fanaticism about an ideology that bears no resemblance to Burkean conservatism is often called religious. But the truly religious person is not focused on the Electoral College math, but on living her own life the right way in accordance with the God she worships. She is not obsessed with policing society to keep the "other" at bay - the homosexual, the African-American, the Latino immigrant, the single mother, the young straight dude who is truly baffled by the anachronisms of homophobia and the belief that alcohol is less harmful than marijuana. She knows that living a good life is hard enough without controlling the lives and fates and dignity of others.
But the person who fuses Manichean political warfare with theological certitude cannot, will not, abandon that stance for pragmatic purposes - because there is no greater evil than pragmatism for the fanatic. A political party can adapt and change; a fundamentalist religious party loses its entire authority if it admits error, because its message is based on religious texts that are held to be inerrant. The biggest obstacle in front of today's GOP threfore remains theo-political fundamentalism, and how it can be overcome.
Listen to its tone, hear its anger, and absorb its utter irrelevance to anything but fantasy and delusion and mania:
We conservatives, we do not accept bipartisanship in the pursuit of tyranny. Period. We will not negotiate the terms of our economic and political servitude. Period. We will not abandon our child to a dark and bleak future. We will not accept a fate that is alien to the legacy we inherited from every single future generation in this country. We will not accept social engineering by politicians and bureaucrats who treat us like lab rats, rather than self-sufficient human beings. There are those in this country who choose tyranny over liberty. They do not speak for us, 57 million of us who voted against this yesterday, and they do not get to dictate to us under our Constitution.
We are the alternative. We will resist. We're not going to surrender to this. We will not be passive, we will not be compliant in our demise. We're not good losers, you better believe we're sore losers! A good loser is a loser forever. Now I hear we're called 'purists.' Conservatives are called purists. The very people who keep nominating moderates, now call us purists the way the left calls us purists. Yeah, things like liberty, and property rights, individual sovereignty, and the Constitution, and capitalism. We're purists now. And we have to hear this crap from conservatives, or pseudo-conservatives, Republicans.
You know what, Mr Levin? The "crap" coming your way has only just begun.""
Rest in peace at times like this the map to the right shows you are sorely missed!
Phil, I haven't often said that show me a good loser and I will show you ...more a loser but I realize that my party needs to change. To stay the same will result, in well, the same.
I'm sure you'll be attacked by others within your own circle-called names and told that your a sellout-don't listen.Work for that change that will save your party.Beleive it or not,we need you and others like you.
Some here have doubled down-continuing the rhetoric that we've seen over the last few years;poisoning our country with hate.Let them-they'll be the ones who will end up huddled in their basements with their guns,bibles and ...more MRE's,waiting for an apocolypse that they'll swear is coming.
This country has a great history of overcoming adversity.If everyone works together,we can do it again.
Reagan had a gift for uniting-that is what we need now.Unfortunately,there are some in the media that continue the rhetoric that has been prevalent for the last four years,and wnat's even sadder is that they have an audience,and that audience will spread that poison message .
I hope you and others like you can help your party get bck to it's proud traditions;it's a great party,it was driven off track by some who have poisoned the message of Reagan and carried it to the extreme.Those are the people that will be the most difficult to convince.
So far so good.
I recall Martin Luther King Jr. commenting on a "false sense of superiority" in a speech he delivered from a church pulpit. You should see the eyes just light up in the film footage of the congregation.
These "purists" are a minority of the population, and just manage to yell louder, and more obnoxiously.
No problem.Just keep doing what your doing.
The obstructionism is what made this a landslide election for the democrats.We're going after the House next-and if the republicans continue obstructing,we'll get it.
The tea party extremists cost the right this election.
People like you.
The healthcare bill.
Climate bill.
The debt deal
They also compromised to extend the Bush tax cuts.
where did the republicans compromise?
they didn't.
Let us know when you come around.
The mandate would be to finish the implementation of the ACA,reform entitlements in a civil and sensible manner,reduce taxes on working people while making the rich pay a bigger share,create jobs through rebuilding infrastructure,protect the rights of women,gays and minorities,complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan,develop alernative sources of energy while reducing our dependence on fossil fuels,address global climate change and ...more further streamline government to be more efficient and responsive to the citizens of this country.
I guess your against all of that.
You are preaching to us about narcissism?
This is from Wiki.All that was missing was your picture.
"Narcissism is a term with a wide range of meanings, depending on whether it is used to describe a central concept of psychoanalytic theory, a mental illness, a social or cultural problem, or simply a personality trait. Except in the sense of primary narcissism or healthy self-love, "narcissism" usually is used to describe some kind of problem in a person or group's ...more relationships with self and others. In everyday speech, "narcissism" often means egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others. In psychology, the term is used to describe both normal self-love and unhealthy self-absorption due to a disturbance in the sense of self."
"Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[6]
1.Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2.Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3.Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, ...more debasing, or degrading somebody else.
4.Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
5.Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
6.Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
7.Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist there is no boundary between self and other.
It's like reading your biography.
and
"Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage."
I think your there.
Obama got more votes and more electoral votes than Romney did.
was that a conspiracy,too?
The joke is on you, because President Obama WAS re-elected based on his character, and Romney was REJECTED because of his!
You just can't handle it!
Have a good weekend.
we judge you by your character and we still tolerate your posts.
I recall you referring to President Obama as "boy".
What does that tell us about your character-or lack of it.
"Voting is the best revenge."
Next target:Texas.
With the Hispanic population there we should be able to turn it blue within the next 3 election cycles.
Larry Kudlow-
"I am now predicting a 330 electoral vote landslide"
(for Romney)
George Will-
"I am projecting Minnesota to go for Romney"
(In a 321-217 landslide)
Dick Morris-
"We are going to win in a landslide....my own view is that Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes"
Wayne Allen Root-
"Electorally,it won't even be close...I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 Electoral ...more votes"
I guess it WAS a landslide.
Go crawl back under your rock before the sunshine dries you out.
Now,who was failing to reach acreoss the aisle?
Bush passed TARP before he left office,and between the two the recovery began-job hemoraging stopped and began to go up.
The republicans didn't offer any help with that,either,and still haven't helped pass a jobs plan.
McConnel led filibusters throughout Obama's first trm-some of them over ridden by the democrtic majority,but his unprecedented use of the filibuster to ...more obstruct is well documented.
Too bad you choose to have selective amnesia;that's why the republicans took a beating in the senate races.Along with their propensity for saying stupid crap about women,rape and immigrants.
GOP's state losses hint at national fate
POLITICS
Carla Marinucci
Updated 10:39 p.m., Saturday, November 10, 2012
Conservatives have long dismissed California, the nation's most-populous state and the world's ninth-largest economy, as the Left Coast, Wackyville and La-La Land.
But after Tuesday's election, there is one thing that Republicans across the nation can no longer do - ignore ...more it.
The GOP failed to take the White House and lost an opportunity to reclaim control of the U.S. Senate, while trends that began in California - the burgeoning numbers of Latino, Asian American and young voters - are harbingers of what's ahead for Republican fortunes, Democratic consultant Garry South said.
"They can denigrate this state all they want," South said. "But the future of America is what you're seeing right now, laid out in California."
In the minority-majority state of California, the future isn't looking bright for the GOP, which has been reduced to rubble in the 2012 election cycle as its share of registered voters dropped below 30 percent.
The result: California Democrats hold every major statewide office, including governor, both U.S. Senate seats, nearly three-fourths of the congressional delegation, and the possibility of achieving a supermajority in both houses of the Legislature.
"It's an amazing story," said Simon Rosenberg, who heads the Democratic think tank NDN in Washington. "California gave us Dick Nixon and Ronald Reagan, and it's arguably more responsible for the modern conservative movement than any other state in the country.
"And here we are, 50 years later," Rosenberg said, with Republicans "essentially going out of business there."
California GOP strategist Tony Quinn, in a pointed blog on the future of his party, was even more scathing.
"The good news for the California GOP is that they are not a dying party," Quinn wrote last week. "The bad news is that they are dead. There is no state Republican Party left and its numbers in the legislature make it irrelevant."
Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, a Democrat, added on MSNBC's "Hardball" last week: "They literally gave it away. They've gotten out of step with who the people are, what the people care about."
Chris Lehane, a Democratic strategist, said Republicans across the nation will "never have a more favorable playing field" than they did this year, given the sputtering economy and incumbent President Obama hamstrung by high unemployment rates.
Given the party's poor showing on Tuesday, "the Republican brand is untenable," Lehane added. "You can't lose the percentage of women and Latinos that they're losing and hope to succeed in a country that is becoming increasingly diverse."
But Bill Whalen, a Hoover Institution fellow and past adviser to former California Gov. Pete Wilson, said the fortunes of the GOP in California don't necessarily predict the future for Republicans nationwide.
The state party "lacks a message and good people to run for statewide office," Whalen said. But that's not true for the national party, he added.
Names of potential candidates for president in 2016 are being bandied about - including Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Whalen said.
Thirty states have Republican governors, and the GOP is "doing OK in local elections and statewide elections across America," he added.
At the national level, "the problem for the GOP is what its message will be," Whalen said, and how well it is communicated to women, Latinos, Asian Americans and young people.
Still, Democrats said, the GOP must broaden its appeal from older white men to demographic groups whose numbers are increasing, including women.
California Attorney General Kamala Harris said the GOP needs to do some post-election soul searching about its hyper-partisan attitudes, such as those on abortion, that have turned off women voters.
"Their mission was to defeat the president," Harris said. "And for one party to say their goal is to obstruct the president, with a gang mentality - that can have a backlash."
Former state Controller Steve Westly said the national Republican Party can also learn from popular issues in California, including climate change and same-sex marriage.
Quinn, in his Fox and Hounds blog, said, "It is time to let Howard Jarvis rest in peace," referring to the antitax crusader whose landmark initiative, Proposition 13, reshaped the state's tax structure more than three decades ago.
The passage of Gov. Jerry Brown's tax-increase measure, Proposition 30, came the same day that California voters approved 85 of 106 school bond measures, according to the League of California Cities, Quinn wrote.
"Californians clearly want more public resources," Quinn added. "The question now is whether that money is spent wisely."
Wade Randlett, a Bay Area Democratic Party activist and fundraiser, added: "Republicans have a choice as a party. ... They have to decide whether to stay in the circular firing squad or get out of it."
By the way Republicans aren't against Hispanics they are against illegal aliens in fact more than 60% of legal Hispanics are against illegal immigration. Way to spin it Dems
Captain Narcissist?
Both sides are going to need to show that they are willing to change, not talk about it but actually show that they are willing to change, however small the example is. When I see that I will have some hope that we can start to get out of the hole that we have dug for ourselves.
rebuilding our infrastructure would employ millions.
Creating jobs hasn't been in the rpublican plan in the last four years.
Abortion,restricting rights and obstructing have been.
DEAL WITH THAT!
REALLY?
Ask any five year old child if the sanctioned murder of living babies in the name of " Choice" is civilized!
They only appeal to angty old white men.
They've proven that they hate blacks,Hispanics,women and gays.
Abortion is a womans right.
It will be preserved.
As will the ACA now that it will have been fully implemented before the end of this presidents term.
You talk a good game,but I don't see the right giving any ground.
They don't.
Make demands and accuse the other side of partisanship.
That's why President Obama won in a landslide.
We need to do better than low paying, temporary work.
Long term good paying jobs, not provided by government, but built and generated by the private is the basis of republican jobs plan rejected by democrats.
That's why they took a beating.
Like working at papajohns pizza?
No,more like construction jobs.
Jobs in research and development of renewable energy sources to wean us off of fossil fuels.
Jobs in education.
real jobs,not jobs that offer bare sustinence.
Why didn't they spend it on creating jobs instead?
I guess they can afford to pay higher taxes if they have that much money to throw in the toilet for a losing cause.
How much did you get?
The incident, described as the first direct engagement of the Syrian military on the Golan since the countries' 1973 war, highlighted international fears that the combination of Syria's civil war and Egypt's new radical government could ignite wider regional conflict
and further embolden Iran
That's why the right beats the war drums. They haven't had enough.
And your salivating.
APPLEBEE'S targeted after franchisee mulls hiring freeze in response to Obamacare...
PAPA JOHN'S to reduce workers hours...
As I recall, things did not end well for him...
CHICAGO (CBS) – A total of over 6,800 people lined up for the city’s first-ever jobs fair on Friday – waiting in line for up to six hours – hoping to apply for work with the city, only to leave frustrated after learning the only way to apply for a job was to go online.
Bernie Tafoya reports Mayor Rahm Emanuel stopped by the job fair, expecting a warm welcome from job seekers, but instead ran into lots of ticked-off people.
More ...more than 6,000 people in all showed up for the 55 posted job openings, but city hiring rules require all applications be filed online, so many of those who attended left frustrated at having to stand in line for hours, not willing to wait out the line to actually apply for a job.
It's clear that htey haven't learned anything from the landslide win by Obama and the democrats.It'll be business as usual.
The GOP is dying of the very meanness that it has let itself be consumed by.
dnice,Mets fan and the rest of the sensible republicans,I hope you can hold out and show the rest of the republicans here that there is much to be gained for everyone ...more with a change of tone and a little cooperation.
Good luck,though.
Cooperation and change of tone needs to start with Obama who must step up and lead that effort. Another round of golf I see. Kudos to his golf game. The country has no pressing issues that may take precedent.
You couldn't win the election,so you'll ruin the country.
And you boast about it.
The people rejected your extremist ideology so they must be punished.
All they won was the angry old white man vote.
Obama ran the table on the young,women,African Americans and Hispanics.
The GOP has marginallised itself into only being able to win on anger.
They didn't realise that the anger they stirred was going to vote against them.
It was the republicans who committed a comedy of errors.
They bragged about winning a landslide.And that landslide engulfed them.
Karl Rove better be careful,big money doesn't like ...more to lose.He blew his credibility by blowing all the money he got from the angry old white men.
If layoffs rise,it will reflect on the employers who chose to make them,whethr thy try to blame Obama or not.
The vindictive republicans are making a mistake by spitefully attacking their workers.They are making a bigger mistake-they are punishing the country because of their misjudgement.No personal responsibility there.
I can go on if you like.The republicans have been insulting much of this country for years.
Thats ...more why the election was so lopsided.People who think like that have cemented their knuckle-dragger reputation.
As far as 2004 goes,they still haven't explained it.
tell us.
Bwahahahahahaha
Maybe he should have taken some of the money he contributed and looked out for his employees.That's what somebody less profit-driven would do.
I did my part, repeatedly exhorting Randy to spend more of his millions out here. (cf. The July 4th Up With Randy! Lobster & Music Fest.) Our grief at his loss would be greatly assuaged had we fond memories of seafood & rock music (& beer.)
BF is off his meds again.
BF, are you one of the people who picket with those savagely disturbing photos on Hampton Rd. ?
A collection of cells in a petri dish is not a baby.
Did I hear you crowing about Dolly the sheep?
Nope, I didn't think so.
Also, from our favorite quote machine Snooki on being a mom:
"I'm excited to be a MILF."
So, there you have it
I suppose every fertilized egg that does not attach itself to the wall of the uterus (this does happen) makes a woman guilty of abortion too.
FOUR MO YEARS!
Government leachs? You do mean leachEs I assume.
p.s. There is a difference between "to" and "too." Adding the extra o doesn't get you any brownie points.
The right beleives that working people are lazy and undeserving.
No one is as good as they are.They look down at anyone who doesn't see the world through their twisted lens.
I, (insert name here), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will FAITHFULLY EXECUTE the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States.
Oh crap, they had to throw "to the best of my ability" in there. We're toast.
In the past 90 days, it has posted 6,125 regulations and notices – an average of 68 a day.
"If you read History, you realize God is the leading cause of death."
~ George Carlin
If there was a house on fire,and in that house was a petri dish of human cells and a baby,and you could only save one of them,which one would you save and why.
If your wife was raped by,say,Barack Obama,and she didn't want to have his baby becuase she found it to be completely revolting,would you force her to have that baby?
If she didn't want it,would you force her to have it?
yes or no.
~ Neil DeGrasse Tyson
would you let your wife make her own decision or would you excercise the domination hat you seem to savor over her?
I believe he is right and you are one person. It rally stands to reason. Look at Mr.Z's post number 3982 it is like 3000 posts more than anyone here except for - Phil who has ROTFLOL 3852 coincidence I think not.
That, combined with the content of there texts (for example George Carlin reference) I think we have a undeniable match. My theory is when Mr. Z Knows he is going to sound stupid he takes on his alter ego Phil. Allowing a wide ...more latitude for stupidity!
As for your "detective work", you'd make a great Keystone Cop.
maybe he's curly Joe.
As for George Carlin,he remained popular right up until his death.He continued to comment in his act about relevant social issues,including abortion,education and religion.
And as far as trading off one right for another,it is obvious that you place little value on anybodys rights since it would be so easy to deny someone theirs for your own convenience.
If you don't like abortion,don't have one.
No. That is tyranny.
And women won't defend your position because of your fanatical and extremist expression of disdain for their rights.
His last special came out less than a week before he died, and he skewered society as usual. A forty year career, numerous lifetime achievement awards, and numerous apperances not only on late night talk shows, as well as a panelist on many politically oriented talk shows. One of his best was on Bill Maher, discussing how fascism would come to this country. Not with jack boots, and brown shirts, but by the very same type of corporate system that ...more the Founding Fathers outlawed when this was a fledgling nation.
Calling Carlin "not relevant" is like saying an elephant born in a tree is a bird.
You will not find many left like the women you remember from your childhood Dan. these days the women under 35 you speak of are only interested in there own pockets.I agree the total lack of compassion has become a disgusting thing to watch, but what I find even more disturbing is the lack of older women commenting on behalf of the un born.
"Basically what these anti-abortion people are telling us is than any woman who has had more than one period is a serial killer."
~ George Carlin
You're just not used to having to deal with people who are willing to voice a different opinion than your own.If you want to hear a bunch of people who all sound alike,read through these articles again.Z and I don't agree on all topics;but the right wing echo machine sounds like thhhey're all sitting in the same room all the time.
No "them."
No "we."
They are us.
One orchestra.
Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle!
I may not be Mr. Z,but I'm a heck of a lot smarter than either of you.
Jindal
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“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal said. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”
“It is no secret we had a number of ...more Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”
Steve Schmidt
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it’s time for Republican leaders to stand up to “extreme statements” and “nonsense” coming from within the GOP, including Rush Limbaugh.
“Now, people calling for revolution and these extreme statements — when I talk about a civil war in the Republican Party, what I mean is, it’s time for Republican elected leaders to stand up and to repudiate this nonsense, and to repudiate it directly,” Schmidt said.
He continued: “There has been a culture of fear and intimidation, that you are not a real conservative if you won’t, you know, if you won’t, you know, stand — if you stand up to these extreme statements, whether it’s Rush Limbaugh calling that young lady a slut, or a hundred other examples over the last four years.”
Schmidt was referring to Sandra Fluke, who Limbaugh called a slut in February on his radio program after she testified on Capital Hill about contraception. "
David Frum
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"I believe the Republican Party is a party of followership. The problem with the Republican leaders is that they're cowards....The real locus of the problem is the Republican activist base and the Republican donor base. They went apocalyptic over the past four years. And that was exploited by a lot of people in the conservative world. I won't soon forget the lupine smile that played over the head of a major conservative institution when he told me that our donors think the apocalypse has arrived. Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex....Because the followers, the donors and the activists are so mistaken about the nature of the problems the country faces the nature--I mean, it's just a simple question. I went to Tea Party rallies and I would ask this question: "have taxes gone up or down in the past four years?" They could not answer that question correctly. Now it's true that taxes will go up if the President is re-elected. That's why we're Republicans. But you have to know that taxes have not gone up in the past. And "do we spend a trillion dollars on welfare?" Is that true or false? It is false. But it is almost universally believed. That means that the leaders have no space to operate."
Now go crackle in your own batter.
I don't beleive in any single religions' definition of god.Man created god in his own image.
Abortion is a legal medical procedure.
Now,care to answer the questions I asked above?
Said the Sherriff, ...more to the Bishop: "You keep 'em stupid, I'll keep 'em poor."
After all,their god can't be wrong about anything.
Now you're backpedaling.
Abortion is NOT the same thing as birth control.
Carlin is correct.If your pre-born,your protected.If you're pre school,you're on your own.
The right will protect a fetus until birrth,then abandon it.
Responsibility isn't an evil right wing word. You do know that, right?
"The Road to Awareness
But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the ...more 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester. "
Most abortions are performed in the first trimester,in the early fetal stage.only a very small number are performed after that.The fetus is in a stae of sleep;not concious and unable to feel,see hear,smell ortaste.It is in a primitave state of development.
The rest of your drivel isn't worth responding to.
So if there is no consciousness then there is no life.
Run away! Run away!
the rest of it was just vitriol.
Maybe this is just what we need, maybe this is going to be dare I say, fun to watch. And now I say Congratulations. Yes, Congratulations to Phil, Hat, PBR, MR Z Progress now, Mets fan and to all the rest of the progressive takers. Congratulations to the Unions the Feminist's the Hip Hop criminals and smart ass no nothing collage students!
You now own it and you can't blame Bush. The next terrorist attack you ...more own it. Can't get a job after graduation, you own it. Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama's EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it. A nuclear Iran, you own it. Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it. Another severe recession, you own it. A volatile border with Mexico, you own it. Trouble getting good health care, you own it. Higher health insurance costs and health care costs, you own it. No budget, you own it. Our allies mistrust, you own it. Another trillion of debt, you own it. More Benghazi situations, you own it. No one willing to join the military, you own it. Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, you own it. More dependency on food stamps, you
own it. Trouble finding good employment, you own it. Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it. A World Government, you own it. The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it. A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table even if it is "Dead on Arrival", you own it. China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it. Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it. A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it. Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it. Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it. More government corruption and lies, you own it. More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamists, you own it. Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it. Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it. President
George Bush is out of it now, and
there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way
I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was
impossible to clean up this mess you voted for. Have a good day. God
bless the United States! God is our hope now.
Do we have to let Phil own it too? I'm just asking.
So much ill to wish on your country.
Thank god that the party of the mean-spirited failed so utterly!
**** YOU.
And the bobbleheads here are nodding like they just went over a bump.
George W Bush sent everyone a check.
Twice.
Leon789's story doesn't pass the smell test upwind and a mile away.
His business is doing poorly. He can't sell it and he isn't willing to put the effort into keeping it going so he shutters it and tells the employees he's firing that it's all Obama's fault as he flies down to Florida into the retirement that their labor has earned him.
It's almost worth having a recession just to rid ourselves of weasels like him.
Barry and Phil ran on a platform of hate, division, and "revenge."
51% of the voters agreed with them
The country is now run by haters, dividers, moochers, losers, and bong-hitting slackers.
Let it burn.
read the right wingers posts and tell me who the haters are.
try something different.
try taking responsibility.
I need someone who is intellectually and emotionally mature.
Naturally,the right can't process the past and won't take responsibility for it.
By the way,did any of you catch the audio released today of Lee Atwater describing the Southern strategy and how to mask racism to the benefit of the republican party?
He describes all the ways to use code talk-much like we see here from the right-to use racism.
For thirty years we've been told that feeding the swine of the "wealthy elite" will rain prosperity on all of us.
The Aristocracy of 18th century France, and England tried to convince the people of such a philosphy back then. The result? Two revolutions within just over a decade of eachother. Any more bright statements?
But Clinton left us in a much better condition than we were in before he came,and it didn't take long for Bush43 to begin to unravel it.
Clinton signed the GLBA, which I have noted on numerous occasions.
You see why that's funny, Philly? You are exactly what you say you hate about the other side. You simply can't see or admit to the failures of the party that you support with such passion. It's all blame, blame, blame. You are very entertaining and one of the reasons I tune in here. Good belly laughs. ...more
For the record, the 3 worst presidents in my lifetime were Carter, GW Bush, and Obama. So the right wing loon attack you have queued up is not applicable. Ineptitude is bipartisan.
tell the truth Z, Clinton sowed the seeds of the Great Recession by helping to inflate the housing bubble, a key part of the financial debacle of 2007. But this wasn’t because he (not George W. Bush) signed two financial deregulation bills. Although Clinton legalized interstate banking in 1994 and commercial/investment banking combinations in 1999, that had nothing to do with the meltdown.
The reason why is Clinton culpableis because his ...more secretary of housing and urban development, Andrew Cuomo, current governor of New York and a likely 2016 presidential aspirant,lol accelerated easy-housing policies and inflated the housing bubble, setting the stage for its collapse.
The meltdown was the consequence of a combination of the easy money and low interest rates engineered by the Federal Reserve and the easy housing engineered by a variety of government agencies and policies. Those agencies include the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and two nominally private “government-sponsored enterprises” (GSEs), Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The agencies — along with laws such as the Community Reinvestment Act (passed in the 1970s, then fortified in the Clinton years), which required banks to make loans to people with poor and nonexistent credit histories — made widespread homeownership a national goal. This all led to a home-buying frenzy and an explosion of subprime and other non-prime mortgages, which banks and GSEs bundled into dubious securities and peddled to investors worldwide. Hovering in the background was the knowledge that the federal government would bail out troubled “too-big-to-fail” financial corporations, including Barney and Chris - Fannie and Freddie.
they can't process the past and continue to blame the democrats for everything.
Even Red state.com has disowned and disavowed the nutjobs.
But they keep hanging on.
Lemmings on the sea cliff,waiting their turn.
Though Clinton stopped defecit spending, he did sign the GLBA which led to "too big to fail" institutions. As far as the CRA goes, were it not for Greenspan the "mad printer" showering Wall Street with loads of fiat currency every time investors drove their portfolios into a utility pole, housing prices as well as the cost of commodities would not have skyrocketed like the days of the Weimar Republic. The clandenstine changes made to the definition of a physical hedger made by Wendy Gramm, ala J. Arons/Goldman-Sachs didn't help either. Greenspan basically allowed the markets to stone themselves sober with massive amounts of cheap cash printed out of thin air. In the German, it is called "luft geld", or "air money".
Fannie and Freddie were dismal failures mostly because of market performance based compensation. Though they are a government entity, they are privately run institutions. It was in the best interests of those running them to post profits, regardless of the means. Selling ARMs to the general populace was the most foolish move ever made by the industry. ARMs are designed as a wealthy mortgage holder's product, not a middle class joe. The housing bubble only imploded after Greenspan raised rates SEVENTEEN TIMES in the year before he left office, and blew up the market because of all the ARMs he preached everyone should hold. He in most cases DOUBLED, and even QUADRUPLED mortgage payments for people just like you. People did what "The Maestro" suggested, and he could cause market panic with a short phrase.
As for the Treasury/Fed always providing a floor to the market, well, that was your hero Reagan who appointed "The Maestro", Alan Greenspan.
You really need to hear less, and read more...
DS and TCM prove my point.
they can't process the past and continue to blame the democrats for everything.
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Seriously, Phil? I blame the Dems for everything? Get a grip.
If you've failed at your business,it isn't my or Obamas fault.It's because you got scared and ran.
Look at him now.
Bitter and angry,doig all he can to destroy it.
The face of the fanatical right.
The republicans still own this crisis,and Obama is the one who is bringing us out of it.
The desperation and frustration is blatant in your posts.
The fire of hate is the burden you bear,not me.
Is a hen's egg sentient? No.
Is a gamete sentient? No.
Is a zygote sentient? No.
Is a blastocele sentient? Nope.
Is an embryo sentient? Almost.
An embryo in the developmental stages has absolutely no chance in hell of being sentient until at least eight weeks, when it then becomes a FETUS. Before that, it is simply a mass of cells which can be grown in a petri dish, and ...more is not sentient. Think about the word sentience, next time you crack an egg into a frying pan. The scientifically illiterate do nothing but dumb down the collective IQ of this country.
Could sentience PRECEDE the various physicalities to which you refer?
Is it possible, at least?
Another blinder may have to be removed? Or does one presume to have no blinders on?
The main qualification for sentience is CONSCIOUSNESS, which does not occur without a functioning mind. Before eight weeks, that isn't possible.
Some people don't enjoy the use of prophylactics, and "Plan B" or the "morning ...more after pill" is an alternative method of contraception which I do not disagree with as many fertilized eggs do not become embryos in the course of a woman's life, and it's just part of nature when it happens. Modern technology has only found a way to nudge what can normaly happed in that case.
Consciousness without physicality would be a disembodied entity, a.k.a. a spirit, phantom, or more commonly ghost. Do they exist? I would have to answer that with a qualified yes. However, one would have to believe that "beings of light are we, not this crude matter" as Yoda so eloquently put it.
What I have actually found comical at times is that there are "church going" people who will believe in an "invisible man in the sky", the resurrection, eternal life, and Heaven/Hell, ...more but will tell you there is no such thing as ghosts.
Except in cases of mass murder,I do favor life imprisonment over execution.In many cases execution is designed to only be revenge.
The situation dictates the response.
Is it "Ooops, I was drunk"
Is it "I didn't have my govt issued birth control"
Is it "Man, I hate wearing them things"
Is it "I can't tell my parents"
Is it "I don't want to get a fat butt"
Is it "There might be health issues"
Is it "This baby will have severe deformities"
Is it "This pregnancy was the result of a rape"
Of the list I see a few reasons that abortion may be the best option. ...more I also see quite a few reasons where someone is just being an irresponsible jerk.
The war on women continues.
As usual,he won't even consider that he is treating women as things;as objects or possessions-playthings that can be discarded and whose opinions and aspirations are irrelevant.
The republican party has allowed this outlook to become prevalent and they will never regain the support of women as long as this primitive ...more mindset persists.
His argument personifies the war on women.
Death Penalty - there is no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. As ours is not ...more a perfect legal system, there is always the chance for an innocent man or woman to be put to death. So, I guess if I had to vote 100% or 100% against, I'd have to vote against. I think your point is how can you be for the death penalty and against abortion (correct me if I'm wrong.) I don't see the two as related issues as one is the direct result of a heinous crime. Contrary to popular opinion these days, the great majority of abortions are not the result of rape. (Sorry, Philly)
Honestly, I think life in prison is worth than death anyway. Given the choice between the 2 I'd choose the needle. Go to sleep - don't wake up.
Instead ...more of trying to play political chess and fueling your vendetta against ATH, wouldn't it have been more "rational" (your word) just to look at the issues and candidate positions before you in the 2012 State Senate race and decide on that basis? That whole chess/vendetta thing is what made the Democrats go South on your watch. My job, inter alia, is to make sure that doesn't happen again, so I'll do what I can to expose your flawed approach.
As to ZZZZ man's blather about the most successful among us being "swine" and "elite" Uncle Joe Stalin, Karl Marx and Mao would have been proud. Well done Komrade!
That statement was grammatically a POSSESIVE. That meant feeding the pigs of the wealthy.
How has someone like you achieved his station in life?
And you mock the man? How dare you!
He is the patriot who pays through the nose in taxes and regulations so others can sit on there ass. and read Robert Robert Reich and that bitter sore loser Paul Krugmans
horse shat lies !
Grow up!
I will not tolerate being repeatedly mocked by him.
Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?
Listen, I've got to get back to my seventy hour plus week now. Have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is ordinarily a petulant child who takes their bat and ball, and goes home when they can't handle losing.
The people who the republicans wanted us to trust to return the country to prosperity.
Now they're the ones destroying jobs and lives.
Blaming Obama because they didn't get their way,and now punishing working people for it.
They're pathetic.
In our area TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS IS THE ENGINE THAT MAKES US SUCCESSFUL, IF YOU TAKER ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY. Gotta get back to work on one of the most beautiful properties on Gin Lane, may the rich get richer, a toast that I make when ...more a toast is called for.
Across the rest of the country it's a dismal failure. 30 years of trickle down economics, and what do we have to show for it?
A massive recession, well over a third of the country on unemployment or some type of assistance, the highest degree of socio economic disparity in last 130 years, fraud across the board from deregulation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg in ...more general terms.
Like I told you before, take that money you've earned and buy yourself an education in history that made America, instead of the history that America made up.
My Mucks are warm, I'm getting back to the grind.
GET ME ! GOOD!
Myself and the others aren't trying to recruit for the democrats.We are letting the aforementioned right wingers do it for us.Just reading their posts does more to strengthen the democrats than anything I can post.All I do is draw their opinions out into the sunlight;even republicans like yourself can see the hate and vitriol that posesses them.
I do hope that the republicans can heal their party;they have a great history ...more but it's been contaminated by the very poison we read here from the fringe elements.
The republican party have a monumental job in front of them,and it doesn't look like its off to a very good start.
If I left it up to you and your fellow propagandists, no one would ever know the truth.
We already know that we can't count on the truth from you and the rest of the fanatics that agree with eachother like bobbleheads.Keep on pushing the extremist positions that the country rejected;you'll be relegated to the trash heap of history like the Whigs were.
"Fanatics"
"Extremists"
His mind only knows 2 channels. I rest my case, your honor. No further questions.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
Illustrating the irrationality well is the post just above at 9:09 AM, commenting on the rise in jobless claims, which were due to Sandy. All of a sudden, this is the fault of President Obama, who, to follow the "logic," must have therefore CAUSED Superstorm Sandy! What a mean man to have personally caused so much damage, which then caused a rise in jobless claims. [sarcasm etc., in case this is not obvious to some]
The joke is that the rogues gallery listed ...more above probably DID cause a RISE in votes for the Democratic slate!
Harry Hopkins, FDR's close adviser who ran the non-defunct Works Progress Administration (WPA), once described Roosevelt's strategy as "tax & tax, spend & spend, elect & elect." He believed that if Roosevelt put everyone on the federal payroll, either through aid or federal jobs, that Roosevelt would never lose. FDR won four presidential elections in a row ...more before his death removed him from office.
Did Obama use his idol's model to win this election?
Food stamps rolls have grown by nearly 50 percent-by more than 15 million recipients-under the Obama administration. During that same time, the unemployment rate has stayed the same. Either those outside of the workforce have been decimated by the Obama economy or this administration is making a conscious effort to get more Americans reliant on government. Or both.
Welfare programs now cost taxpayers a record-high $750 billion. While government "charity" has grown, so has poverty-and so has the Democrats' poll numbers.
The candidates and their PACs spent $6 billion for the election. Should we add the $750 billion in federal welfare to Democratic campaign spending total?
Between his illegal granting of amnesty (which I agree with in principle), allowing young people to remain on their parents' health insurance well into their twenties, all this welfare spending, and a union bailout disguised as an auto bailout -- of course Obama purchased votes. And of course that was all part of The Plan. There's no question government dependancy empowers the State which in turn empowers Democrats, and there's no question this fact motivates the Left and always has.
Obama used the recession as an excuse to spread the drug of government spending and the addicts will now protect the dealer at all costs. These tax loopholes for corporations and Hollywood, and these lame-brained farm subsidies all do the same thing.
From the skyscrapers of Manhattan to the film studios of La La Land to the farm fields and auto plants of the Midwest to the elite college campus and our inner-cities -- we're becoming a nation of pathetic Welfare Queens.
You act like all those on unemployment never paid a dime into the system. The economy was destroyed long before Obama took office, and you will not fix in eight years, what took thirty years to destroy.
As to the Demokrat win in the past election, when there's a party that gives and gives and gives to certain segments of society in return for their votes running against a party that esposes personal responsibility and hard work, the takers come out of the woodwork and vote to continue the free stuff. Sad times indeed. Gotta go to work ...more for another billionaire now and payday for my employees. That's right I'm a job creator, made possible by hard work and the 1% of the 1% who choose to live in this great place we all call home.
People who throw around the word Socialism like "WOLF!!" desecrate all this country was founded on. And, what this country was founded on sure as hell was NOT aristocracy, and socioeconomic disparity. The excesses, usurpations, and abuses by the aristocracy are what caused revolution. Start taxing the people who aren't creating jobs anyway, and especially those who pocketed ...more all the money from the 2004 Tax Holiday then laid people off. You just might put a dent in the debt, and it would be a good start.
Hey, look at my thumb...
The company cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.
In the end that is the only ...more answer
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Over the past eight years since the first Hostess bankruptcy, BCTGM members have watched as money from previous concessions that was supposed to go towards capital investment, product development, plant improvement and new equipment, was squandered in executive bonuses, payouts to Wall Street investors and payments to high-priced attorneys and consultants.
NBC's Savannah Guthrie read a statement on "Today" from the bakers' ...more union that said: “Despite Greg Rayburn’s insulting and disingenuous statements of the last several months, the truth is that Hostess workers and the union have absolutely no responsibility for the failure of this company. That responsibility rests squarely on the shoulders of the company’s decision makers.”
Rayburn responded that he had been “pretty straightforward in all the town hall meetings I’ve done at our plants to say that in this situation I think there is blame that goes around for everyone.”
He denied that the decision to shut down could be a last ditch negotiation tactic to get the union back to the table.
“It’s over,” he said. “This is it.”
Rayburn, who first joined Hostess earlier this year as a restructuring expert, had earlier said that many workers crossed picket lines this week to go back to work despite warnings by union leadership that they'd be fined.
"The problem is we don't have enough crossing those lines to maintain normal production," Rayburn told Fox Business.
Hostess said that production at about a dozen of the company's 33 plants had been seriously affected by the strike. Three plants were closed earlier this week.
The privately held company filed for Chapter 11 protection in January, its second trip through bankruptcy court in less than a decade. The company cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing. Hostess had argued that workers must make concessions for it to exit bankruptcy and improve its financial position.
The company, founded in 1930, was fighting battles beyond labor costs, however. Competition is increasing in the snack space and Americans are increasingly conscious about healthy eating. Hostess also makes Dolly Madison, Drake's and Nature's Pride snacks.
If the motion is granted, Hostess would begin closing operations as early as Tuesday.
"Most employees who lose their jobs should be eligible for government-provided unemployment benefits," Hostess said
And this-
In a desperate attempt to break the solidarity and resolve of striking BCTGM members across the country, Hostess Brands is falsely claiming that its decision to close three of its bakeries -- St. Louis, Cincinnati and Seattle -- is the result of the nationwide strike against the company by BCTGM members.
In fact, according to the company's 1113 filing with the bankruptcy court earlier this year as well as its last/best/final and non-negotiable proposal to its BCTGM-represented workers, the company was planning to close at least nine bakeries as part of its reorganization plan, although the company refused to disclose which bakeries it intended to close. This is in addition to the three bakeries that were to be closed as a result of the company's planned sale of its Merita division.
Moreover, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay was quoted in a Nov. 13 KMOX-CBS St. Louis article stating, “I was told months ago they were planning on closing the site in St. Louis… And there was no indication at that time it had anything to do with the strike the workers were waging.”
Of course,Hostess management wasn't giving anything back-
Some creditors question Hostess pay raises approved in late July.
Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 to $273,008
and
Hostess's plan to pay Mr. Driscoll $1.5 million in a yearly base salary plus millions more in additional awards—the full details of which Hostess didn't disclose—sparked the ire of a federal bankruptcy watchdog and one of the biggest unions in the case.
"They have amazing laws in this land that allow a company to file bankruptcy and give the CEO...such a lucrative contract while demanding deep, deep givebacks from its employees," Frank Hurt, the president of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union, or BCTGM, said in an interview last month.
In response, a representative for Hostess stressed that the retention of Mr.Driscoll was "critical to the company's restructuring efforts."
Driscoll quit one month later.
Trumka hit it on the head-
What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It’s wrecking America.
plus this-
Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, "restructuring experts", third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a "liquidation specialist". Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.
This is how corporations screw workers.
Kind of like all the "job creators" here who lost the election and decided to take it out on workers here.
I wonder how amny of our "job creators" will be blaming their workers when they close their businesses because they don't have foresight to keep themselves from bankruptcy?
To get the whole story,we know better than to depend on the above posters.They lie all the time.
What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate ...more race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff. This is wrong. It has to stop. It’s wrecking America.
And:
Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, "restructuring experts", third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a "liquidation specialist". Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.
Once again,most of those posts were taken almost verbatim from right wing radio.
Two bankruptcies in a year,the promise of re-structuring after the workers make concessions and now they're closing?
Looks like the company did it to themselves.
Now you have something else to derive perverse pleasure from.
Your extremist ideology was rejected.
Get over it.
“We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”
Courtesy of Phil's research:
"Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, "restructuring experts", third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a "liquidation specialist". Six CEO’s in eight years, none ...more of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure."
Hostess: Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.
GM: Except for Robert Stempel, who was forced out in 1992 after only two years in the job, all of GM’s CEOs since the 1960s have been financial men—“bean counters”. GM’s current CEO, Dan Akerson, is a financial guy with no previous experience in the car business.
Sounds like you completely ripped off his style with that paragraph.
Dems Ignore Rice's Record of Failure, Deem Her 'American Treasure'
Today, five Democratic Congresswomen attacked Republican criticism of U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, who is reputedly Obama’s pick to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. They actually called her an "American treasure.”
Talk about living in an alternative universe, She was just caught perjuring herself to hide the facts in order to get the POTUS re elected on 4 separate ...more Sunday morning talk shows. LOL
As far as perjury, Romney and Bain Capital are expected to appear regarding charges related to eToys, including fraud, perjury, false SEC filings, and a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme.
Courtesy of Politicus USA:
There are hardly any human beings who have not had the feeling of disappointment following the failure of one’s expectations, and in most cases a person focuses primarily on the decisions ...more that contributed to a poor outcome as much as the outcome itself. After President Obama won a resounding victory over Willard Romney in last week’s election, there has been no dearth of analysis into what Romney’s campaign did wrong that contributed to his loss, but the prescient analysis should be what the outcome of the election means to Willard Romney. Throughout the campaign, there were questions why Willard was seeking the White House when he apparently had no real convictions other than, as Mrs. Willard stated, “it’s our turn, it’s Mitt’s time,” and arrogance aside, there had to be some reason he sought the highest office in the land, and it appears there was at least one very specific reason the public was not aware of.
It is absolutely true that Romney was looking forward to cutting his own tax liability to zero, privatizing the federal government, handing the Social Security Trust to Wall Street, and waging perpetual war, but with a plethora of investigations and allegations of corruption into his finances on the horizon, appointing a friendly Attorney General was certainly a primary reason for seeking the presidency. To date, Romney’s legal troubles include fallacious FEC and SEC disclosures, an investigation into him and his son’s connection to an $8.5 billion Ponzi scheme, and concealing over $15 million from the auto-bailout, and now his surrogate’s malfeasance and perjury in the eToys bankruptcy case.
Exactly ten days ago, this column reported on a Delaware bankruptcy court’s failure to enter an Emergency Motion into the public docket that included Bain Capital and Romney operative’s perjury and corruption in the eToys bankruptcy case. At the time it appeared the judge was protecting Romney and Bain Capital by suppressing the Motion in expectation he would win the election and have the Motion tossed out of court leading to the question; “is Romney’s main impetus for seeking the White House to appoint an Attorney General who will guarantee that all charges against him will go away?” Well now that he lost the election, it appears the allegation had merit because on November 7, the day after his crushing defeat, the Delaware bankruptcy court judge entered the motion into the public docket and scheduled a hearing for December 4, 2012; all on the same day.
It was a victory for the whistleblower and eToys investors, and incriminating for the Delaware court and Willard Romney because although the judge received the Emergency Motion on October 24th, it was withheld from the public docket until after it was clear Romney lost the election and would not be appointing an attorney general to drop the case. According to Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, Rule 79 says when a motion is received by the court, “The clerk must keep a record known as the civil docket, and must enter each civil action in the docket and assign consecutive file numbers, which must be noted in the docket where the first entry of the action is made.” Instead of putting the Emergency Motion into the public docket immediately when it was received, it was held up until the day after the election and gives the very believable appearance the court was waiting for election results before either acting on the Motion according to the law, or letting it languish until Romney appointed a friendly attorney general.
Assuming Romney would appoint a friend of Bain as attorney general is an entirely realistic assumption because Bain Capital’s corrupt lawyers were let off the hook when George W. Bush appointed another Bain lawyer as Delaware U.S. Attorney who refused to investigate and eventually drop the eToys case instead of prosecuting and forcing Bain to repay investors who were bilked out of their money. Now that there will finally be a hearing, the court will learn (again) that Bain Capital’s lawyers did illicitly obstruct justice and destroy evidence in the eToys case by asking (and receiving) permission to Destroy the Books & Records as well as confess to supplication of more than 14 erroneous affidavits to the Delaware federal court. It is long-overdue justice that may have went uncontested if Romney had won the election and it leads one to believe that the “shell shock” Romney’s campaign reported him experiencing may have more to do with impending judicial due process than just losing the election.
It is believable the Delaware court held up a legitimate Motion for 14 days expecting a friend of Bain Capital and Romney would head the Justice Department and dismiss the eToys case investigation, and the fact that the day after the election the judge granted a hearing certainly adds credence to the assertion. The good news, though, is that eToys investors and the whistleblower will finally have their day in court and without interference from Bain Capital’s lawyers, justice may finally prevail. However, it is bad news for Romney who told a mine owner facing a racketeering investigation that, “We get a lot of charges, this will go away,” because now that he is a regular citizen, this may not go away and he may face the same consequences as any other American. There are myriad implications stemming from Romney’s loss to President Obama last week, but for eToys investors and law-abiding citizens everywhere, the most important one may be seeing justice prevail.
Now he can't appoint an AG who won't prosecute the eToys case.
Oh well...
Google "HappyPlace (dot) com AND Declaration New America" -- posted 11/14/12.
You can't make this stuff up!
Right!
Have a good weekend.
They had a law against topless car washes.
At least Randy conceded that his dirty campaign failed. He should talk to the grumpy right wingers Graham and McCain, who in a desperate attempt to make a big deal out of nothing, are trying to stop Ambassador Rice from becoming our next Secretary of State.
Poor John, once a respect war hero, now a fool wont accept ...more that the middle class won the election, that Attorney General Holden is a hero for his settlement with BP (which includes guilty pleas to felonies), and Ambassador Rice, will be the next Secretary of State..
Mitt Romney didn't buy us - Right wing antiquated stupidity repelled us.
2004: Two killed in embassy bombing in Uzbekistan
2004: Gunmen kill 8 in attack on US consulate in Saudi Arabia
2006: One killed by gunmen at US embassy in Syria
2007: Grenade attack on US embassy in Athens
2008: Rioting crowds set fire to US embassy in Serbia
2008: Ten killed in bombing of US embassy in Yemen
2012: Four killed at US embassy in Bhengazi
Republicans are finally concerned with the safety ...more of Americans abroad. Actually, they probably truly aren't. Most likely they are just opportunists seeking a rally cry...
Now,off to your rally.
Hope your sheets are clean.
The public’s view of Democrats is also positive in the wake of a largely ...more successful election for the party. Fifty-one percent of those surveyed have a favorable impression of the party, a 6-point bump since August and a more impressive showing than the 43 percent who have a favorable view of the Republican Party. Fifty percent have an unfavorable opinion of the GOP, although Gallup notes that “Americans have been negative on balance toward the Republican Party since late 2005.”
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price".
AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said in a Friday statement.
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong ...more with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price
Z, Are those unions plagiarizing what you write on politico again?
They really should get some thoughts of their own!
You really are dumb as a box of hammers aren't you?
The owners call the shots, set the pay scale and determine productivity.
The workers can take it or leave it.
Seems like the gangsters that run the Teamsters decided to leave it.
Way to represent your dues paying members.
Unions have outlived their usefullness.
Well, written in this case...
Something to keep in mind is that the workers who were not members of the union aren't entitled to those same benefits.They could be unemployed for a long time.
It is also true that some of those former union workers ...more will be able to collect on their pensions.they will not be eligible to take jobs that are similar to those that they held as a condition of the union rules,thus giving others who are unemployed the opportunity to fill vacancies that are created by corporate absorbtion..They can collect UI while collecting their pension,or if they choose not to collect their pension,they can collect UI until they are placed or find other work.All they have to do is file with their union local to be eligible for placement.All the while retaining their health insurance,by the way.
Again... for reviewing...
Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 ...more to $360,000
Rob Kissick, SVP, $182,000 to $273,008
"» ball park (buns)
» bimbo
» boboli
» brownberry
» EarthGrains
» Entenmann's
» francisco
» freihofer's
» marinela
» mrs baird's
» oroweat
» sara lee
» stroehmann
» thomas'
» tia rosa
"
"Old Country
Weber's"
"Roman Meal bread
Sun-Maid bread
Cinnabon ...more Bread
Milton's bread"
http://bimbobakeriesusa.com/our_brands/ ... rands.html
And for those who think "Twinkies" are going a way, Bimbo has a product just like a Twinkie.
After giving big raises to upper management.
Givebacks the union made after the last bankruptcy were squandered.Nothing like pissing off the employees while driving the company into the ground.
It was Romney Vulture Capitalist Style Management that Killed Hostess, Not Unions
By: Rmuse November 17th, 2012
A scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for another’s actions, and usually they are easy targets to assign blame for something they had nothing to do with. Republicans have attempted to blame union labor for much of the nation’s economic woes in recent years and, yesterday, the Hostess Brands ...more took a page right out of Republicans’ playbook and blamed a union strike as the reason they were shutting their doors and liquidating their assets costing 18,500 employees their jobs. However, much of the responsibility for Hostess shutting down lies with the company’s management and the private equity firm behind them, and yet union workers are the ones bearing the blame and subsequently will suffer the consequences of the shutdown.
Hostess Brands’ demise is a recurring story that should be well-known after Americans learned the predatory private equity tactics of Bain Capital during Willard Romney’s failed run for the White House. In fact, union president Richard Trumka pointed out that Wall Street investors that own Hostess were disinterested in the company’s success and cited similarities to the situation of Bain Capital and KB Toys in 2000. As a reminder, Bain Capital’s scheme was leveraging companies with crushing debt, cutting workers’ wages and benefits, and when the company can no longer repay their loans they go into bankruptcy, often more than once. Hostess is in bankruptcy for the second time since 2009 and a major factor in their inability to succeed is that over the past eight years, they were owned by Wall Street investors that were restructuring experts, managers from other non-baking food companies, and now a liquidation specialist. There was no plan for Hostess to succeed and it appears that was the objective all along.
Hostess’s failure was compounded by having six CEO’s in 8 years who had no experience in the bread or cake baking industry, and despite their financial woes, the company’s CEO got a 300% salary increase from $750,000 to $2,250,000, and other top executives received raises worth hundreds-of-thousands of dollars; all while the company was struggling. Instead of acknowledging the lack of competent leadership and exorbitant executive salaries as contributing to the company’s decision to close its doors, CEO Gregory Rayburn issued a statement saying, “We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike.” However, Rayburn and Hostess management claimed the strike would be responsible for closing plants even before there was a strike, and they had made plans to close plants whether or not workers accepted the Draconian wage and benefit cuts the company offered, or if they went on strike.
Hostess workers previously made numerous concessions to keep the company afloat, but they were not enough for the company’s management so they stopped making contractually-obligated contributions to employee’s pensions to save money. The employees stayed on the job until management offered a new contract cutting wages and benefits an extra 27 – 32 percent that prompted employees to strike and thus become scapegoats for Hostess’s demise. What Hostess failed to tell the public is that plans were in the works to close plants months before offering to slash workers’ wages. According to the company’s 1113 bankruptcy court filing earlier this year, they planned to close at least nine bakeries as part of its reorganization plan in addition to the three bakeries that were to be closed as a result of the company’s planned sale of its Merita division. In a November article, St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said, “I was told months ago they were planning on closing the site in St. Louis, and there was no indication at that time it had anything to do with the strike the workers were waging.”
The ideal of blaming unions for Hostess’s bankruptcy and subsequent shutdown is one that transcends corporations and is being used by Republicans in states and at the federal level to garner public support for eliminating unions. Hostess Wall Street investors were not interested in the company’s success or they would have appointed competent managers and a CEO with experience in the baking industry as well as reining in salaries the way they cut worker wages. Using Romney’s tactics of loading up the company with debt it could not possible repay is a proven death-knell for any business, and as usual the losers in the Hostess affair are 18,500 workers who lost not only their pensions, but their jobs. It is the private equity blueprint for enriching a few at the expense of shareholders, lenders, creditors and especially workers.
There is a saying that imitation is the highest form of flattery, and the Hostess story should make Romney proud because the vulture capital tactics Wall Street investors used to destroy the Twinkie manufacturer follow Romney’s creative destruction model explicitly, and it includes eliminating union representation. The idea that union labor is responsible for any company or state’s financial difficulties is fallacious because throughout the Great Recession, union workers in every industry have made concessions, but until all unions are disbanded, conservatives will continue blaming them for America’s economic troubles.
The makers were the union employees who produced the products and the takers were the management and corporations that decided to give themselves big raises and squander givebacks by the management.
The takers chose to close the business and put thousands out of work.
Dana Rohrabacher (CA) is not backing down from his recent criticism of President Obama saying Obama can't force the words 'Muslim Terrorist Attack' out of his mouth
The right is throwing everything it can,hoping something will stick
McCain had a press conference the other day complaining that he couldn't get information.
Unfortuantely,he held it at the same time that Patraeus was testifying.
OOOPS
McCain's been bitter since the election of 2008.
Time for him to retire-get a dem in his seat.I'm sure it won't be long before he retires after all the embarrassment he brought upon himself.
If the company folds, the employees, union or not, they are out of a job.
BF wouldn't know about that.
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After wasting a billion dollars on the election,instead of investing in their businesses,they are now laying people off.
Second, the company and union have agreed to mediation, and the liquidation is on hold.
Third, it seems there is a group interested in buying the company. Even MORE interesting is what they had to say about it
"Private equity firm Sun Capital Partners wants to buy bankrupt bakery Hostess Brands Inc., Fortune has learned.
The proposal ...more would be to operate Hostess as a going concern, including reopening the shuttered factories and continuing union representation of Hostess workers.
Sun Capital privately expressed interest in acquiring Hostess earlier this year, but the bakery's creditors chose for an alternate reorganization plan that ultimately failed. Following Friday's liquidation, Sun reengaged by contacting Hostess advisor Perella Weinberg Partners. It also plans to contact the relevant labor unions.
"I think that we could offer a slightly better, more labor-friendly deal than what was on the table last week," says Sun co-CEO Marc Leder, in an interview with Fortune. "We also think that one point the unions have made is that there hasn't been a great amount of reinvestment in the business. We've found that investing new capital into companies like this can be very positive for brand, people and profitability... We would look to invest in newer, more modern, manufacturing assets that would enable the company to become more productive and to innovate."
Wow. Now we have a BUSINESS saying that the unions were right, and they think with decent management, a still-unionized Hostess can be a profitable concern.
Find a target company. Borrow a ton of printed cash in the form of a "new loan". Pay the upper echelon, consultants, and "restructuring professionals" far more than handsomely with borrowed fiat currency. In this process, saddle the company with debt it cannot afford. Declare bandruptcy, stiff everyone involved except yourselves, and walk away with millions in income.
Repeat...
There is a difference between real venture capital which creates a thriving enterprise by purposefully hiring the right people, instead of your friends. It's far different from busting out a joint twice like the mob in less than five years, and being rewarded for failure with six or seven figure pay packages, plus a golden parachute on the way down.
Please. He who has the gold makes the rules in this day and age. And we all know Bastiat's position on plunder, now don't we?
ZZZZ , how many people are employed by the venture capitalists?? Don't those jobs count ?
We know you have trouble remembering
You need to stop getting your misinformation from the sludge report.
If you can't debae,sit on the sidelines.All you guys do is throw out insults when you're losing an argument.
I can't comment on anything without the peanut gallery getting their britches all twisted.
(And yes, I know your predictable response, that I can go shuck myself also!)
So much anger . . .
Have a good Thanksgiving.
"Phills comment has been removed once again because contains inappropriate content"
Oh but we are supposed to not notice that because poor Phil is a progressive ...more just trying to survive in a big mean world.Save it!
What did you say your problem was?
Oh,yeah-
"Sorry,I have a problem with one of my hands due to the fact that my thumb is always up my ---
By 27dan (315), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 8:10 PM**
Maybe if you and your friends,who all seem to have the same problem,got together and tries,one of you could free up a hand and help the others out.
and then the rest of the Trader Joe's crown actually defends his anti American rants.