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U.S. Representative Tim Bishop Victorious In Re-Election Bid

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Rohma Abbas   Nov 8, 2012 9:03 AM

Democrats won big on Tuesday, both nationally, with the reelection of President Barack Obama, and locally, as Suffolk County voters returned incumbent Tim Bishop to his seat in the U.S. House of Representatives for a sixth term.

Flanked by his family—his daughters, Molly and Meghan, his young grandson, Noah, and his wife, Kathy—Mr. Bishop, a Southampton native, spoke passionately and proudly about his victory over Republican Randy Altschuler to an intimate but vocal crowd in Islandia, whose enthusiasm was so loud that it interrupted his victory speech at times.

“I knew it was a tough race, but I’m not surprised,” he said at the Marriott Hotel, where Suffolk County Democrats gathered on election night. “I mean, I knew it was tough. I knew it was going to be close—we all did. But, I mean, I was never the underdog. People tried to portray me as the underdog. I’m the incumbent member of Congress, and I’ve done a damn good job.”

Mr. Bishop carried the lead early and ended the night amassing about 52 percent of the votes cast, or 132,525 votes. Mr. Altschuler garnered about 48 percent, or 121,478 votes, according to unofficial results from the Suffolk County Board of Elections.

The congressman won by a much smaller margin against Mr. Altschuler two years ago, when he squeaked by on a mere 600 votes, a vote count that took weeks to resolve.

Mr. Altschuler conceded the race shortly after midnight in Patchogue, where the Suffolk County Republican Committee held their headquarters. Mr. Altschuler personally thanked a long list of people, including family, local political leaders, campaign staff and volunteers. He also congratulated Mr. Bishop on winning.

“I wish Congressman Bishop the very best efforts in the next couple years,” he said. “God bless all of you.”

After the speech, Mr. Altschuler told reporters that running again in two years wasn’t on his mind. He also credited Mr. Bishop for running a “great campaign.”

“I’m not thinking about running,” he said. “I’m thinking about spending time with my family and helping my community.”

In his victory speech, Mr. Bishop spoke highly about those who voted for him. He said there were “a lot of people and a lot of institutions that bet against me” throughout the race.

“They bet against the middle class families of this district,” Mr. Bishop said. “They bet against the wisdom of the people of this district, the essential goodness of the people of this district, the essential sense of fairness of the people of this district, and the ability to separate the truth from lies—that’s what they bet against.”

Officials from both parties remarked on how high voter turnout was this year. According to the Suffolk County Board of Elections, 254,003 people cast ballots for 1st Congressional District race out of an eligible 444,401—or a 57.16-percent voter turnout. When the two met in 2010, the turnout was only 45.74 percent.

Mr. Bishop handily won in East Hampton and Southampton towns. In the Republican dominated Town of Southampton, Mr. Bishop got 12,649 votes to Mr. Altschuler’s 9,023. In the mostly Democratic-registered Town of East Hampton, Mr. Bishop pulled 5,763 votes to Mr. Altschuler’s 3,263.

President Obama carried Suffolk County on margins smaller than his victory in 2008. The president had 50.75 percent of the vote, or 274,830, to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s 47.89 percent, or 259,348, according to unofficial county election results. In 2008, the president garnered 52.55 percent of the county vote, or 346,549, to then Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s 46.56-percent, or 307,021 votes.

Asked whether President Obama at the top of the ticket helped him, Mr. Bishop said, “I don’t know that he had any coattails for me.”

County political leaders spoke highly of their candidates. Suffolk County Democratic Chairman Rich Shaffer said when it comes down to trust, voters trust Mr. Bishop. Suffolk County Republican Committee Chairman John Jay LaValle characterized it as “tough race” and described the young businessman as “a great person.”

“Randy Altschuler once again valiantly carried the banner,” he said.

At about 11:30 p.m., Mr. Bishop called it a “victory.” In his speech, he touched on the negative tone of the campaign, and also spoke about the unlimited nature of independent outside spending by Super PACs. Outside spending reportedly topped $3 million in the 1st Congressional District race. That’s apart from the more than $4 million both campaigns combined have spent in this year’s race.

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All the very best to Romney!
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 6, 12 2:17 PM
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If you want to restore Americas Economy, vote for a party that does not Outsource. Please do not belittle yourself going point counter point unless you go back to the Nixon days.
By coyote (14), southampton on Nov 6, 12 3:20 PM
Yes, Mr. Romney...have a safe trip home to one of your multi-million dollar mansions.
By Miss K. (95), East Quogue on Nov 6, 12 3:51 PM
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I voted for Mitt because I like baseball
By CaptainSig (429), Dutch Harbor on Nov 6, 12 5:07 PM
God speed Mr. Romney
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 6, 12 5:32 PM
Put integrity back in congress, Randy Altschuler is the choice. Tim Bishop is the epitomy of a corrupt congressman. CORRUPTION must NOT be tolerated.
By kpjc (146), east quogue on Nov 6, 12 8:31 PM
Romney currently is having his buttocks handed to him in Massachussetts.

That alone is priceless.
Nov 6, 12 9:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
"MIT and Mitt aren't the same thing, a poll worker learned today". Now you should understand why the Electoral College is a healthy thing...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 6, 12 9:42 PM
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Romney lost almost all of his home states-Ma,Mi,and NH
He has a home in Ca.......I wonder how he'll do there?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 6, 12 10:12 PM
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Bravo Mr. Bishop, send Randy back to India for the last time.
By tenn tom (64), remsenburg on Nov 6, 12 10:48 PM
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Bishop wins!!! Good bye, Randy, you outsourcing, anti-American!! You have been soundly defeated!!! Good riddance!! And don't come back!!!

What an amazing night for democrats and sane Americans!!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 6, 12 11:55 PM
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Moving foward! Not the economic policies of 1920's, the foreign policy of the 1980's, the social policies of the 1950's. White doesn't make might anymore. A President has to have answers for many demographics. Men can't shove their opinions down women's throat and what to do with their OWN bodies. Don't mess with the women of this country. It is through their liberated lives that this country is the greatest in the world.
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 12:31 AM
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I would bet that if Randy had just concentrated on the issues instead of attacking Mr. Bishop , we would have had a tighter race or a different outcome altogether ...
By AndersEn (106), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 12:56 AM
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Maybe he doesn't know them? His whole message was an attack like a child in a sand box.
By sag runner (19), Easthampton on Nov 7, 12 5:00 AM
Kind of like what Bishop did right? I dont think you saw Randys ad's. Do you feel that voters should now that Bishop was voted one of the most corrupt politicians?
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:06 AM
Yeah , we saw the ads . Randy telling on Timmy ... and Randy is a boy Scout .
By AndersEn (106), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:29 AM
No he would not have. He stood for nothing and his campaign was just a dtream of negativity funded by Carl Rove.
By olddiesel (8), southampton on Nov 7, 12 1:23 AM
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I was disgusted by Altschuler's ubiquitous campaign of slime. He was exactly the type of person i imagined who outsources American jobs and then expects American voters to reward him for it.
By btdt (279), water mill on Nov 7, 12 2:25 AM
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You're right and the voters agreed with you. We saw right through him.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 7, 12 12:20 PM
Congrats Congressman Bishop! Later Randy, stay away please...

Congrats Sen. LaValle on handily winning your race!

Bridgette back to fulfilling your FULL term on the SHTB... Now you can concentrate on the remainder of your commitment to the people of this town, rather than wasting anymore energy on try to step up and out of the office you were elected to. When one runs for an elected office those who vote for you expect at the very for you to complete your term.... Possibly ...more
By ICE (1195), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 3:19 AM
Hope and inclusiveness are alive and well!

The voices of Darkness have been silenced for a while.

Anger, greed, and divisiveness did not win the day, but rather have sulked back into their black hole, to fester and recharge.

Chances are, they will return.

Keep the Faith!
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:55 AM
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Warren Harding once spoke of a "return to normalcy". FDR campaigned with "Happy Days are Here Again". JFK spoke of the "New Frontier" at the 1960 DNC.

Today this country has hopefully proven that it wants to go forward with egalitarianism, and the principles of it's founders. There is no "I" in team, and it's time to build a sane society where the full content of your character determines your path, not how many green purchasing rectangles your lack of scruples can attain.

Best ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:23 AM
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Congratulations,Congressman Bishop!!
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:32 AM
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Well done, gentlemen.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:54 AM
Very sad day for American when Corruption wins over Success!
By kpjc (146), east quogue on Nov 7, 12 6:54 AM
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GOD HELP US ALL
MY FLAG IS FLYING UPSIDE DOWN TODAY AS WE ARE TRULY IN DISTRESS
LET'S HOPE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXCESSES COMING DOWN THE ROAD
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 7, 12 7:12 AM
I think it's a great day.
Sounds like you filled your diaper,though.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:24 AM
If I were you, I'd keep that facetious.

Flying a flag upside down without a bona fide life threatening emergency is a prosecutable offense, and a clear violation of the flag code. Isn't the flag code something a bona fide "patriot" should know?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 8:00 AM
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here they come to show that there were no lessons learned from this election.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:15 AM
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Ditto about the inability to learn.

Reminds me of trying to stop a mad dog from chasing its tail over and over and over

and

over

and

over

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Sad
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:42 AM
It is sad.Ins,teamdn odd try.ing to find a way. To bring the country together,what we're seeing is the promise of more division.
The republican party is in some deep doodoo if this is how they respond.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:20 AM
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This election has done it for me. This morning I will be handing out pink slips to my 28 employees in Southampton. A sad day.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 7, 12 7:50 AM
Quitters never succeed.

And "winning" is an ubiquitous with little value other than a sporting event. It does not wholly define success.
Nov 7, 12 8:02 AM appended by Mr. Z
Danged smartphone. "And 'winning' is an ubiquitous term with little value, other than in regard to a sporting event."
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 8:02 AM
dont worry Leon. The employee will probabaly be better off without a job anyway. Tax payers will care for him.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:05 AM
Nice attitude.
A******
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:27 AM
"Nice attitude" indeed. The incessant negativity and bitterness by some posters here probably drove undecided voters to pull the lever for President Obama.

Talk about unintended consequences. Hah!

It would be helpful for the future of man and woman kind, in my opinion, if the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity here would realize that the ship gets to port much more quickly if everyone is rowing in the same direction.

Or, if the jockey re-positions in the saddle so as to face ...more
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:22 AM
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Because Obama won? What makes today any different than yesterday? Were they employed by you for the past 4 years? If Romney won, you think this country would be back on its feet economically within the next few months? You should be ashamed of laying people off based on a few hours of election results.
By Miss K. (95), East Quogue on Nov 7, 12 9:28 AM
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<----- Thanks for nothing NY
Nov 7, 12 9:36 AM appended by They call me
" THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND I HAVE EVER HEARD IN THE WORLD " barack hussein obama
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:36 AM
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Dats right you no it Haaaaa ha WHAT A DAY TO BE ALIVE!
SOCIAL JUSTICE COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 7, 12 9:45 AM
To Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods,Glen Doherty,Ambassador Chris Stevens and diplomat Sean Smith

Thank you for your patriotism and service to this once great nation.

I am truly sorry we could not win this one for you, but you will not be forgotten, even if this administration and the press that cover for it did not value your lives We the people did. and with a tear in my eye would like to humbly say you will not be forgotten and

THANK YOU
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:56 AM
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I see it's the same pack of lemmings playing the same game.
You guys need a new play book.
Or get used to getting your butt whipped.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 11:30 AM
Another nice attitude there,UD.
I guess we can count on you to maintain the ignorance level for your entire party.You're the perfect person for it.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 11:37 AM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 11:37 AM
Leon, are you kidding? Look, we lost but there is no need to throw in the towel. The Conservative party had better take a good look at itself because if we couldn't win now, we probably never will. Changes need to be made or we are screwed. We also have to find a way to work together. It is what it is. We cannot afford stand offs and pissing contests for the next four years. Our elected officials are going to have to learn to work together for what's in the best interest of the country, not ...more
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 11:48 AM
Well said, dnice.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 2:58 PM
You, sir, are not a true American (Leon).
By zaz (177), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 4:36 PM
Leon, I can't really take you seriously with the information you give, I suspect I am not alone. You indicate you are a business owner who is willing to walk away from his business simply because of the election results just like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so he's going to take his ball and go home. Help us make sense of this, will you? What kind of business do you own that you wouldn't even try to sell rather than close? What will YOU do for income even if you don't ...more
By VOS (614), WHB on Nov 7, 12 5:23 PM
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VOS why dont you worry about yourself and stop worrying about Leon. I can tell you I have a small business and one way I have been coping is by hiring workers on a part time basis so I dont have to offer benefits. I will also be deferring as much income as possible into tax advantaged vehicles. I also won't put as much back into the economy and save more rather than spend as much. I do this because I am preparing for what we all know is coming. Higher taxes.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 8, 12 11:44 AM
What are you going to do when Bohner proposes closing all those loopholes?Probably the same thing we've heard about others doing-driving up the unemployment rate and blaming the president-when it will be republican policies that are to blame.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:30 PM
It looks like Leon has disappeared, possibly back to reality; why do you feel a need to defend him? And please explain your comment that you hire part timers so you "don't have to offer benefits". Who says you have to offer benefits, unless you're talking about things like unemployment, disability and social security? Could it be that you pay these people off the books?
By VOS (614), WHB on Nov 13, 12 10:47 PM
Randy was an outsider and the people of the East End knew it.
He ran a very dirty campaign financed by the Koch brothers and it failed.

President Obama and Tim Bishop's reelection is great news for America and for the world.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 7, 12 8:18 AM
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Sucks that your boys didn't win , but you know what ? They didn't want to play nice . Maybe now they will learn how to get along and work together . No more of this , my way or the highway business and learn how to compromise . The voters will be paying attention and individuals can and will excell despite party lines . No more finger pointing and let's get to work .
By AndersEn (106), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:41 AM
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Classy concession speech from Romney. Classy victory speech from Obama. A great day.
By dagdavid (645), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:03 AM
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Hey Joe H., Mitt and Randy, thanks for showing up. Isn't that how you put it Joe H.? Again everybody you voted for lost. You have no pulse of the majority of the people.
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:22 AM
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Mets fan is correct. The repubs need to get on board. There are more people dependent upon the GVT than ever before. With 50% of students exiting colege with no jobs, record amount of people on food stamps, 47% of the population paying no federal taxes and GDP and jobs growth stalled the GOP needs to follow the same path of the dems so as to keep pulse with the majority
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 8, 12 11:50 AM
For 27 dan and razza, the blue states pay more in taxes than they take in. Explain that one! You keep worrying about those making a minimum, a minimum 5,000 per week to pay a decent rate of taxes. You bought into Mitt's and the republicans billionaire boys club economy.
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:24 AM
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typical lib non sense. Pull some BS study from some lib article and print it as fact. Their are way to many factors and variables that come into play in putting together a list but I'll give one example. The top three on a BS article I saw are DC, NorthDakota and New Mexico. ND makes this list because it has a very low population yet has 2 major military bases, farming,an older population. and lots of federally owned land.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 10, 12 5:02 PM
You keep holding on to your archie bunker vision of America. You'll never get into the presidency.Your hero,( mine too) Ronald Reagan declared amnesty for illegals and signed into law giving the Indians the right to open casinos. Can you imagine a Republican with that agenda today? Romney's great solution for latinos was self-deportation. It is laughable. With that solution, he deserved to lose. I'm not going to give a pass for Obama. He promised in his first term an answer. However, it is obvious ...more
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:57 AM
!
Nov 7, 12 9:32 AM appended by 27dan
GOD BLESS TEXAS ! And thank you for being there!
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:32 AM
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If it's so great why aren't you moving there? You can be amongst your own and secede from the Union.
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:27 AM
I guess Bridget Fleming will be back at Town Hall now that she does not have anything better to do,,,,,,,,,,more talk,more repeating what other Board members have said the final word on every topic....the poll results are clear,,,Bridget get another line of work,,,,,setting up a vegetable stand in Flanders is not enough for Albany or Southampton Town public office,,,the people have spoken,,,do the honorable thing RESIGN.
By Etians rd (179), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:49 AM
Congratulations Tim!!!!
By sandydog21 (98), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 10:17 AM
.... loved Rove last night with a pen and paper trying to undo the election results on live TV. Wait a minute - there must be some mistake here, my calculations show something different - is what he was thinking. Pack it up, and slither out of politics and take Randy with you.
By William Rodney (232), southampton on Nov 7, 12 11:12 AM
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Lesson learned: 1) You can't beat Santa Clause in an election. Hard work and responsibility will always lose, especially when you have a political party willing to capitalize on it. 2) Lies need to be attacked publicly head on. 3) The GOP needs to start trying to win arguments rather than elections. 4) Nice guys really do finsish last. 5) Sometimes evil does triumph over good. Prediction: Businesses begin to lay off workers as they shut down or gear up for Obamacare. The next four years ...more
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 1:44 PM
to Captn America:

Exemplary mewling!
By highhatsize (2115), East Quogue on Nov 7, 12 1:59 PM
Thanks. I forgot one... there is no truth in the old saying, "May the best man (candidate) win."
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 2:08 PM
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Captn America, thank you so much for continuing to make this day such a terrific one! I have so been looking forward to the right wing meltdown when Obama won! I would also like to thank you and your fellow teapartiers for driving independents to the republican party and for all of the house and senate pickups you enabled!

A special good-bye to:

Randy Atschuler, Alan West, Joe Walsh, Todd Akin, Richard Mourdok, Danny Rehberg, Linda McMahon, Josh Mandel, et al. You will not ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Nov 7, 12 2:28 PM
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Cappie was listening to Rush-I heard Rush say those exact words today.
I guess that cappie will also continue the divisiveness that Rush and Hannity are encouraging.
No wonder the far right is so bitter.Look at who they listen to,then parrot like bobbleheaded lemmings.
I said it before and cappie confirms it.
He's nothing but a delusional groin thinker poised like a leemong at the edge of the cliff,with Rush and Hannity behind pushing.
Nothing like confirming,once again,what ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:38 PM
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You're unbeleivable,captain-you're going to go right back to the same things that you were doing before.
You aren't too smart,are you.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:43 PM
Let's see: 1) Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Clause! 2) precisely the tactic the President took - the American populace can see through lies 3) impossible to win arguments with hard-right positions 4) wrong 5) Like Leon, your fear mongering is un-American.
By zaz (177), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 4:44 PM
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Hey Phil, I hope you have a little bit of that crow left for me:) What a long night. How could I have been so wrong about the outcome? Learning experience for sure.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 5:19 PM
The captain assures that the republican party will drive over the exact same cliff again and again.
I see a few on the right have seen that the recent direction of their party know that they need to change direction;that isn't to say that they abandon their values,but they know that they must seize control of the republican party from the extremists and ideologues who are dictated to by talk radio.
I hope they cn do it and restore the republican party to its previous glory.Otherwise we will ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:20 PM
dnice,I can see that you honestly would like to see your party return to reasonable positions.I hope that you and your party do;there is an element within the republican party that is hurting it-damaging it almost beyond repair.Good luck-I won't ask you to eat crow,but I will offer an olive branch.
Nov 7, 12 5:23 PM appended by philathome
Should read "I hope you can help your party do that" I wish we had an edit feature.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:23 PM
I appreciate that Phil because I have been less than cordial with you. I hope I would be as gracious in victory. Taking a beating forces one to reevaluate there approach. I'm not saying that my positions will change but I am going to make an effort to be less confrontational about it.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 5:38 PM
Thank you.
There is room for discussion snd (gasp!!) compromise.
I've been on the losing end many times,but,like yourself,I held onto the positions that I truly beleived to be correct and re-evaluated what I beleived needed o be re-thought.
I can be extreme-I know and admit it.But I also will meet force with force-as you will.
There are elements within your party that need to be convinced that compromise (there's that word again) and cooperation-a give and take on both sides-will ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:48 PM
Now that Randy Altschuler has spent millions of dollars in his second losing election to Tim Bishop, he has become quite well known and should be a welcome presence on any town board or other public position, given his intelligence and strong leadership skills. Trying to start off his political career in a congressional election was, in my opinion, too ambitious. I hope that he quickly gets elected here in the East End of LI... or even gets some appointment, to be able to start serving our community ...more
By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 2:38 PM
If he is so "well known", you would think that someone like you would know he lives in St. James. How is he going to be elected to a "town board" on the east end?

All he proved was he fights dirty and has a ridiculous amount of $$$$ to throw away on a losing campaign.

What did we learn from him throughout his TWO failed campaigns that inspire confidence in him being involved in small town politics?
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:04 PM
Oh, and Allen, maybe we can convince Linda McMahon to move out here and run for local office. Her and Randy have plenty in common and I'm sure they're both really great people!
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:06 PM
allen, judging from your stein's beer level, I can only assume your post was intended to be sarcastic, or humorous. Mr. Altschuler can outsource himself to India where he is also probably well-known!
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:40 PM
Randy is clearly well known, as he received just about 9000 fewer votes than Tim Bishop, who is indeed very well known. Over 118,000 of our neighbors gave their support to this newcomer from the GOP, almost half the cast vote. In my opinion, that is indeed proof that he ought to stick around Suffolk and work to improve our community.
By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:46 PM
" or even gets some appointment, to be able to start serving our community"

Perhaps Randy can be appointed Goodwill Ambassador to India
By btdt (279), water mill on Nov 8, 12 9:08 AM
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That doesn't mean he is well known - it means a lot of people look at the letter next to someone's name and fill in the corresponding bubble.

Also, he lost by a LARGER margin this time than the first time. By your logic, that makes him LESS well known, right?
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 9:58 PM
You make a good point about where Randy lives. My point is that he strikes me as someone keen and prepared to work in politics. I have met him and like him, apart from the millions of dollars spent on obnoxious ads. We need capable individuals like him in leadership positions here in Suffolk. Most of the qualified people around here have careers that they are unable to get away from; if Randy has the time and interest to serve, he should get elected or appointed in my opinion. I feel one of ...more
By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 3:27 PM
Allen - we had that. His name was Dennis Suskind - do you really want him back?
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:45 PM
Well, I like Dennis Suskind, too. I am 60 and accept that those willing to stick their necks out and serve the community in politics, are unable to meet all our hopes. No leader is without issues. The task.of attending countless hours of meetings is generally a thankless one. However, I don't wekome all activists with open arms. For example, many from tha Party are severely lacking redeeming qualities!
By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:33 PM
The Republican party should have learned something last night - they need to evolve on social issues. You can stand your ground on issues like same sex marriage and abortion as examples, but realize the results will be loss after loss. Who would I rather have at the helm on the issues of energy, economy, entitlement reform? Without a doubt Romney. Those are important issues, and in my opinion more important than the 2 social issues mentioned above. Yet time and time again Republicans catch themselves ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 12 3:29 PM
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Tea Party.
By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:34 PM
You can't stand your ground on Stone Age positions.

They're so old, they tend to crumble under your feet...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:31 PM
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By allenfein (45), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:37 PM
I don't know where the Tea Party is heading. I do know that if the face of the Tea Party is Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann I can't take it seriously.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 12 4:49 PM
Randy is a carpetbagger like Hillary. Congratulations to you Timmy, home town boy.
By Sandflea (35), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:52 PM
What the republican party should have learned last night is that they should divorce themselves from the radical right - because they cost them the election. They have become parodies of themselves and they now have become fun to watch and listen to because they are so stupid.
By William Rodney (232), southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:01 PM
You mean the earth isn't only 10,000 years old?

I laughed for a week after I heard that one...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:15 PM
But it isn't funny when they tell women that there is such thing as legitimate rape,or that pregnancy as a result of rape is god's plan.
They paid the price for making war on women.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:34 PM
Another lesson learned: 7) 25 percent of the population wants free stuff, and 26 percent of the populations wants to give it to them.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:20 PM
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You're degrading your credibility even more.Why don't you take a few days off.
so we can stop laughing at you and your discreditied extremist ideology.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:25 PM
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Constitutionality, Capitalism and Liberty are not extremist ideology. Promoting anything but, is extremist.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 11:15 AM
Explain your position.
You can start by explaining how the democratic party has stopped promoting capitalism and liberty.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:42 PM
Sorry junior mint, I have a better idea since you categorized my position as extreme; explain how your position supports the Constitution, Liberty and Capitalism.

Here's a starter, check the number of businesses who are closing their doors and laying off staff because of Obama policies.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:04 PM
You made the accusation-prove it.Don't dodge the question.
If businesses are laying people off and closing their doors,it's because the politics of fear you've been selling worked.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:07 PM
You've been screeching that the sky is falling since Obama was elected.The facts are that the economy has improved,employment is up,social policies that affected millions was improved-we even got Bin laden.
Prove that your extremist positions are supported by the majority.
Especially since they were rejected in the election.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:13 PM
Dream on. What accusation did I make? I never said my position was supported by the majority.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:11 AM
Can't answer,huh?
You got nothing.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:34 PM
I'd love to answer, but I have no idea what you're talking about.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:33 AM
Bye Bye...Randy.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!
By SHNative (538), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:32 PM
Congratulations to all the winners and best wishes to all the losers. I'm especially happy about Obama and Bishop's wins, and especially disappointed about Bridget Fleming's loss, but she ran a great race and that's how it goes.

It occurs to me that for the East End, nothing has been changed by this election, all the way up the line: same Asemblyman, same State Senator, same Congressman, same U.S. Senator, same GOP-controlled House of Representatives, same Dem-controlled U.S. Senate, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1116), Quiogue on Nov 7, 12 10:28 PM
What as changed is that people are beginning to realize that the divisiveness that has been predominant prior to the election has hurt more than it helped on either side.
It's time for us to come together to find solutions to the preoblems we face.There are some here who will still listen to the voices of division who are still calling for the continuation of the previous approaches-did anybody listen to Limbaugh or Hannity yesterday or last might? No sign of unity,just a pledge of divisiveness,doubling ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 6:14 AM
That it do, TB. But it is the prcoess and results that run this Nation. I applaud your passion for your beliefs, but we both knew what the outcome of the Fleming/LaValle race was going to be. I will admit ti being surprised at the Bishop race. I can only assume that the President Obama supporters followed that line for Mr Bishop, but did not extend it ti the State Senate race. Makes one wonder about the power of Frank McKay here. That Indy line should have thrown Altschuler over the top.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:32 PM
Well its that time of year again when the snow has begun to hit the ground... so I must start packing in preparation of leaving this hell hole and get back to civilization. This election cycle has taken its toll on us all and I will welcome the sun and hospitality of the south.It will be nice to be among a more clear thinking culture that respects personal responsibility and family values for a few months. It will also be a big relief to be able to drive past a police car at 75 miles an hour without ...more
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 8, 12 8:30 AM
the fear of a ticket. I know Phil will still be here when i return as he will be in four years at this time.... Still complaining about his life. Still wishing it was differant... but doing very little to change it. I will pop in from time to time to see what is going on in the hood... Hopefully the unions will not have drained to funds so low that you people that are dancing right now will still have jobs in the spring . Good luck this winter my friends and pray for us all.

Because now ...more
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 8, 12 8:40 AM
And may the Lord, and the warmth of your rest and relaxation, also warm your Heart.

Vaya con Dios, Amigo.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 8:50 AM
I hope you like banjo's
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 11:59 AM
Good luck, Joe. I have decided to hire Phil. He needs someone to take care of him and I want to keep him close and protected. There is going to come a time, probably next week, that all the happy Libbys are going to realize that they still have to do something. They'll have to go to work. They'll need someone to sign the front of the checks so they can sign the backs. That's why I get such a kick out of this whole deal - the business owners will still have final say. Squeeze business too tightly, ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 8, 12 1:36 PM
Banjo's are better than Ghetto's have a nice winter and bring me back a confederate flag I have a feeling they may be in vogue again real soon.
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:34 PM
Enjoy the warmth Joe. Chat with ya when you get back.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 12 6:23 PM
Maybe he can bring back the KKK too, would that please you UnDem?
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 9:08 AM
Rumor has it they're here.....l
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 11:37 AM
You know the one displayed on the General Lee is not the actual "Confederate" flag, right?

I hope you get a real one...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 2:40 PM
It's time people started demanded politicians work together for the good of the country -- stop compulsive gamblers from running Wall Street, have everyone pay their fair share of taxes, outlaw offshore tax shelters or at the very least forbid Americans who hide taxes overseas from running for American political offices; put a cap on political contributions from people, corporations and unions -- do all of these things instead of listening to wise guys who get paid multimillion dollars to rile people ...more
By btdt (279), water mill on Nov 8, 12 10:04 AM
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Amen
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 11:26 AM
Tell all the beautiful girls on South beach hello for us ;)

And remember they can try and take our rights, but they will never take "our FREEDOM!"

God speed and a safe trip
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:24 PM
Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees saying elections have consequences well I say a lot of things have consequences and you better watch yourselves
LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and ...more
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 8, 12 4:15 PM
He sounds like some of the posters here-vindictive in that they would take their disappointment out on others because they feel powerless in the face of the results of the election.
Now that employer has increased unemployment soley because he is a sore loser,but worse yet,he is a dirtbag because he may have chosen to ruin at least 22 lives,not to mention hurting families,including children,because he's an a-hole.
I feel sorry for his other employees.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 6:54 PM
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A union would have prevented this guy from ruining lives because he hated Obama.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 6:55 PM
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Nope, they'd all be working less than 30 hours a week. Part time.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 9:06 PM
Unions are something else you don't know squat about.
add it to the list.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:52 PM
Romney conceded Florida-325 Electoral votes for Obama to 203 for Romney
Sounds like a landslide.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 7:08 PM
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Election night,after President Obama was declared the winner,the President placed calls to both the Speaker of the House,John Bohenr,and the Senate Minority lader,Mitch McConnel.
According to their staffs,after what the republicans argued was the most important election of our time,told the President that "they were asllep"
The republicans appear to want to continue their stupid games.
I',m sure the righties on this site will approve of their actions;what it shows is exactly what I've ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:19 PM
Why is it that you are the only source for this info? I hadn't heard that anywhere else.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 12:00 PM
try other sources for news.If I could post the links here without having the posts deleted,I would.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:57 PM
The people have spoken, and have rejected attempts by rich white men, primarily, to buy this election and OUR great country, thereby once again protecting the

" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."

The BILLIONS
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:41 PM
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The people have spoken, and have rejected attempts by rich white men, primarily, to buy this election and OUR great country, thereby once again protecting the

" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."

The BILLIONS
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:41 PM
THE BILLIONS of dollars spent attempting to unseat President Obama were spent in vain.

The people have spoken.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:43 PM
Billions spent on both sides I think PBR. What is clear to me after this election is that the R party is out of touch with the people of this nation. Minorities and women are not going to be marginalized.

Phil, I would not be surprised if Congress continues to block. The contempt on both sides seems to be in full effect and currently I am not hopeful. My eyes are starting to open, maybe others will as well. We will see.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 12 10:05 PM
I'm sure there will be obstacles,but so far Bohner appears to be illing to deal-his caucus in the House is where the problem lies.I think many realise that we're in deep,deep trouble and the bargain as it stands to take efect on Jan. 1st is as bad as the problem itself.
True,both sides need to bend;hopefully the republicans will be willing to give up a little and the democrats won't become arrogant and demand more than they can get.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:15 AM
Yes I was thinking of the total pot of money in the most general sense, thanks. As you note, the contempt and intolerance seem intractable.

The Golden Rule, however, will likely remain strong (He who has the gold makes the rule).

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:16 AM
You know what I realized to today? We are way overdue for a wacko preacher. It's been some time since we had a Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, or even Oral Roberts (saved the best for last). In those days, it was wisely noted by Sam Kinison that "we've got God's special education team here on Earth". It's said that nature abhors a vaccuum, so maybe it only makes sense that so many members of the Republican party have seemingly gone off the deep end.

Once nature was defined by four, then ...more
Nov 9, 12 12:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." ~ Albert Einstein. Think Heaven vs. Hell...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 12:24 AM
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Ouch, Z you may be right.

"Nature abhors a vacuum."

Well said all around. Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:14 AM
We can always count on Uncle Chuckles (Pat Robertson) for some morbid and/or evil comment.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 5:49 PM
Right on cue,evil Uncle Chuckles fires the first salvo in the war on Christmas.It was just a matter of time until he spewed his hateful puke-


It's not even Thanksgiving but televangelist Pat Robertson is warning that the "War on Christmas" is back and this time the "miserable" atheists won't stop until no one can enjoy the holiday.

The 700 Club on Monday reported that the city of Santa Monica had decided to prohibit churches from setting up nativity displays in a public park ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:52 PM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:53 PM
This country is ready too fall into a fiscal black hole and our president is going to Burma? This president is totally out of touch with reality. New York is still without power, and gas is in short supply and this low life is going on vacation? This country will be on its knees in another four years.
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 9, 12 1:13 AM
Obama could part the waters,cure cancer,end hunger and bring world peace and you would still be whining about him.
get over it-the peole spoke and a substantial majority chose Obama.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:29 AM
Your too ignorant to understand the problems of the country, and too blind too see what a disasterous path were on.
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:53 AM
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Care to try a cogent answer?
You can do away with the self- descriptionkii
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 11:39 AM
Mark it down. Novemebr 6th 2012. The day America offically changed. 8% unemployment (forget the real unemployment rate) is the new norm. 46 million people on food stamps is OK. Debt spending is good. Trillion dollar defecits make sense. let our kids worry about it.Socialized medicine is good. It will cost more but honestly did you believe it wouldnt. Its not racist that 97% of blacks vote democrat but is racist if you are white and vote republican. Remember JFK "ask not what your country can do ...more
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 9, 12 8:40 AM
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JFK also said this:

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 10, 12 11:08 PM
Again.....
Bye Bye...Randy.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!

By SHNative (538), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 10:43 AM
< -------- Whats wrong with this picture

Seems a bit disproportionate to me notice the pattern

Blue = The takers with no personal responsibility / heavily unionized more divorced woman than married with an abortion clinic on every other corner.

Red = The rest of us
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 1:25 PM
As usual,Dan doesn't have his facts straight and depends on fabrication.
Red states take more than they pay in taxes while blue states pay more than they get back.
Another verifiable fact.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 2:33 PM
Yeah.

The states with the higher prevalence of advanced, or post secondary degrees are blue.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 2:37 PM
Just remember, odd comments must end at midnight tonight.

Tomorrow only even-handed comments may be posted.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 3:59 PM
PBR - that's actually pretty funny.. thanks
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 12 4:25 PM
Eeaahhhhggghhhhh !!!! (sound of buzzer going off)

Your comment is not odd enough. Please re-post tomorrow. Have a good-Natured weekend.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 5:21 PM
Calling everybody who doesn't think like you a "moocher" is a great way to win people over to your side. Not.
Laura Ingrahm said that the tea party "Invigorated" the republican party.
It invigorated them right into losing several senate seats that they should have won and into losing an election-by a lot.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 6:45 PM
Just because you aren't educated doesn't mean you aren't smart. Nahm sayin?
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 12 1:10 AM
Just be a thinker.Don't be afraid to question others or stand up to those you disagree with.
Look at all the anger I inspire with only words.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:24 AM
Andrew Sullivan wrote this in the Daily Beast.A damn good read.We can see what he's talking about right here since the election-


""8 Nov 2012 11:51 AM Will The Right's Fever Break? Ctd
When you have divided the world into two categories - freedom or tyranny - and there is no ground whatever between them, you are not only among the least intelligent commentators out there; you also have to be completely fanatical even in the face of popular repudiation.

I watched Fox last ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:42 PM
Thank you Ronald Regan for the proudest years this country has ever had we salute you I know you are embarrassed by you son Michael to Buddie up with this progressive dirt bag Andrew Sullivan.

Rest in peace at times like this the map to the right shows you are sorely missed!
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 11:31 PM
The other right.
By VOS (614), WHB on Nov 9, 12 11:50 PM
I am a huge fan of Reagan. Perhaps we as conservatives can try to remember that he got things done by compromising. Few Presidents did it as much as he did. He was also the POTUS that granted amnesty to illegal immigrants. We MUST change our stance on immigration and on women's rights if we are to have any chance in future elections. We are doomed as a party if we do not. The writing is clearly on the wall.

Phil, I haven't often said that show me a good loser and I will show you ...more
Nov 10, 12 1:06 AM appended by dnice
I mean "have" often said, not haven't, damn typos.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 12 1:06 AM
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And yur exactly what your party needs.Let them know it.
I'm sure you'll be attacked by others within your own circle-called names and told that your a sellout-don't listen.Work for that change that will save your party.Beleive it or not,we need you and others like you.
Some here have doubled down-continuing the rhetoric that we've seen over the last few years;poisoning our country with hate.Let them-they'll be the ones who will end up huddled in their basements with their guns,bibles and ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:21 AM
Remember, only even-handed comments are permitted today, the 10th. Odd comments may resume tomorrow.

So far so good.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:30 AM
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Aristocracy will be trounced be trounced by the people every time.

I recall Martin Luther King Jr. commenting on a "false sense of superiority" in a speech he delivered from a church pulpit. You should see the eyes just light up in the film footage of the congregation.

These "purists" are a minority of the population, and just manage to yell louder, and more obnoxiously.

By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 10, 12 10:31 AM
I hear a lot about the right changing and compromising, when will the left start compromising? We saw both political parties and their representatives lie through their teeth during the campaign. Winning an electins doesn't mean your message is righteous or the best course for a country. It only means you won an election. Levin is absolutely correct, we will not be compliant in our demise.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:34 AM
Yes lets reward illegal aliens for breaking the law while us idiots obeying the laws pay the tab. Oh and lets call baby killing a womans right. I know alot of woman who think an abortion is a murder. But the fact is woman have that right so why does the left keep saying womans right? Don't worry you will see huge unemployment coming because of Obama care, and an economy that will continue to deflate
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:12 PM
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Of course you would like to drive the Hispanic vote to 80% in the next election.the next election for the democrats.
No problem.Just keep doing what your doing.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:28 PM
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Show us where the republicans compromised in the last four years.
The obstructionism is what made this a landslide election for the democrats.We're going after the House next-and if the republicans continue obstructing,we'll get it.
The tea party extremists cost the right this election.
People like you.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:33 PM
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Show us where anyone in this thread said republicans compromised in the last four years. Show us where democrats compromised in the last four years.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:56 PM
The Stimulus bill.
The healthcare bill.
Climate bill.
The debt deal
They also compromised to extend the Bush tax cuts.

where did the republicans compromise?
they didn't.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 11:00 PM
That didn't answer the question. It's just more of the same off on a different tangent canned talking points.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:36 AM
I answered you,but as usual,you choose to ignore verifiable facts.

Let us know when you come around.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:42 AM
You answered you.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:50 AM
You answered you.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:53 AM
I look forward to seeing the congratulatory comments to President Obama from the dissidents here as the economic recovery continues under his stewardship. The next years wii determine who eats crow. This election is now history. Be nice if we could all come together as Americans and dispense with this red/blue divisiveness. Afterall the whole world is watching.
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:21 AM
I agree. I don't ever remember a time in my life where my perspective or attitude has changed so quickly. It is time for change or we can keep banging our heads against the wall. The pols need to hear that we demand that they work together on this mess. Business as usual is not going to cut it. While I am not hopeful that Obama's policies are going to help, I will be the first one to admit I was wrong if they do.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 12 12:20 PM
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Obama v Romney: 332-206. Bush v Gore: 271-266. Bush v Kerry (the self-proclaimed Bush "mandate"): 286-251. Yes, GOP, we have a mandate


By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 10, 12 1:15 PM
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What would that mandate be?
Nov 10, 12 2:33 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Flip about 155,000 votes in four states - Ohio, Florida, Virginia and New Hampshire,and we'd be planning a Romney inauguration. Not to mention, about 7 million right leaning voters that stayed home- for whatever reason. One of the dumbest things politicians do in the aftermath of elections is to claim a mandate. Even dumber is when they actually believe it. Reelected presidents are hisorically susceptible to the mandate delusion. Obama thinking he has a mandate, will be part of his downfall.
By Mr. Snerdley (116), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 2:33 PM
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Flip votes kinda reminds me of that old saying "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride". If the powers that be in Washington continue playing childish games the American voters will decide in 2 years just who has a mandate. Obama won, end of story, the majority of American voters have spoken, evidently they prefer the Obama way to the Romney way. Learn to accept defeat graciously. That, my friend, is the American election way.
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 4:40 PM
mandate is high defecits and debt, high unemployment, higher taxes, more dependency on GVT, failure to reform any entitlement programs for future sustainability, poor leadership, inability to reach across the aisle and lack of accountability. DJ is correct. America voted for change 4 years ago and now Obama can continue moving forward on his vision for America. This is what we voted for and this is what we will get.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 10, 12 5:10 PM
We have 8% unemployment and an economy in a recession for the last four years. Thats right the last 4 years we have been spending an extra trillion we dont have to keep our economy growing at 1%. We have 16 trillion in debt and by the end of Obamas term we will have the same debt ratio as Greece. So please explain this great turn around in the economy, because small business isn't seeing it. There was no mandate there were just a bunch of people including myself who couldn't relate with Romney. ...more
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:59 PM
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I see that the right got the talking points from fox "news"
The mandate would be to finish the implementation of the ACA,reform entitlements in a civil and sensible manner,reduce taxes on working people while making the rich pay a bigger share,create jobs through rebuilding infrastructure,protect the rights of women,gays and minorities,complete the withdrawal from Afghanistan,develop alernative sources of energy while reducing our dependence on fossil fuels,address global climate change and ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:26 PM
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Obama being the self absorbed narcissist, any perceived mandate will indeed be interesting. BTW Phil, address global climate change? Really? Sounds like higher energy costs for the middle class. Streamline government - under Obama? Good luck with that one. Obama wants to create the Secrerary of Business. Maybe someone should tell him we have a Secretary of Commerce. And, the rich pay more.... let's see how that one works out. While Dems think they have the market cornered on women, gay and ...more
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:39 PM
Narcissism?
You are preaching to us about narcissism?

This is from Wiki.All that was missing was your picture.

"Narcissism is a term with a wide range of meanings, depending on whether it is used to describe a central concept of psychoanalytic theory, a mental illness, a social or cultural problem, or simply a personality trait. Except in the sense of primary narcissism or healthy self-love, "narcissism" usually is used to describe some kind of problem in a person or group's ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:44 PM
Here's more-

"Hotchkiss identified what she called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[6]

1.Shamelessness: Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
2.Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
3.Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:55 PM
Yup, Obama narcissism.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:56 PM
They also use projection to dump shame onto others.

and

"Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage."

I think your there.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 9:00 PM
Yawn...
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 9:03 PM
Obama won all the battleground states because Americans wanted him as their president
By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:18 PM
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hmmm, not sure that's true or it's that simple.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 7:41 PM
Look at the results again.
Obama got more votes and more electoral votes than Romney did.
was that a conspiracy,too?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:21 PM
7 million voters didn't show. Who did they want as president?
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:44 PM
maybe they were kept away by the voter suppression tactics the right employed.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:51 PM
Or maybe the voter suppression employed by the left and their attacks on the military vote.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:54 PM
see he definition of narcissist I posted above-I beleive it describes you very well.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:57 PM
atta boy.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:35 PM
I also recall a quote by MLK that said something about a man being judged not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character. If that were only true, Barak Hussein Obama would still be a community organizer and we would not be saddled with a Marxist in the white house.
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 10, 12 5:29 PM
??? A shameful implication!

The joke is on you, because President Obama WAS re-elected based on his character, and Romney was REJECTED because of his!

You just can't handle it!

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:57 PM
Do you want to discuss character?
we judge you by your character and we still tolerate your posts.
I recall you referring to President Obama as "boy".
What does that tell us about your character-or lack of it.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:17 PM
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bigfresh, as you said on 11/4 under another article:

"Voting is the best revenge."
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:39 PM
Obama won Florida.
Next target:Texas.
With the Hispanic population there we should be able to turn it blue within the next 3 election cycles.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 6:36 PM
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Obama won in a landslide,by the right's definition-

Larry Kudlow-
"I am now predicting a 330 electoral vote landslide"
(for Romney)

George Will-
"I am projecting Minnesota to go for Romney"
(In a 321-217 landslide)

Dick Morris-
"We are going to win in a landslide....my own view is that Romney is going to carry 325 electoral votes"

Wayne Allen Root-
"Electorally,it won't even be close...I predict a Romney victory by 100 to 120 Electoral ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 7:08 PM
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So Phil, now with the hindsight of the election in your mirror, you define success and failure by statements made, but you've repeatedly ignored and defended the promises of Obama in 2008 and the Stimulus, for example to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term, or that Stimulus would reduce the unemployment rate to 5.3% after his first term - it's 7.8% and actually somewhere around 14%. By your own standard, Stimulus was in fact a failure. Glad we could finally clear that up.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 7:55 PM
I'm not going to waste time arguing with you.We've been through this before,and I've proven you wrong every time.
Go crawl back under your rock before the sunshine dries you out.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:15 PM
Excellent rebuttal.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:42 PM
I watch too much cable news, both FOX and MSNBC, figuring the truth lies somehwere in the middle. Throughout the day Tuesday, the taking heads on MSNBC were like school kids on Christmas Eve, whereas I noted that FOX commentators were looking like they were going to a wake. I wonder at what point those folks knew it was over?
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 7:40 PM
The fox "news" anchors questioned their own people when they called it.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:19 PM
As they should have. That's why FOX is Fair and Balanced. Consider MSDNC, with Chris Mathews stating "I'm so glad we had that storm last week."
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:53 PM
Fox is for idiots.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:56 PM
But yet you watch it. I see.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:56 PM
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It's like Comedy Central to liberals.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:58 PM
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Liberalism is like Comedy Central.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:27 PM
thank you captain narcissist.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 7:08 PM
You're most welcome.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:46 PM
Rupert Murdoch's network does not dispense news, it broadcasts opinion alleged to be fact. MSNBC has its own difficulty in distinguishing between reporting news and spurting out opinions. If anyone relies on either of those entities they should understand they are being fed, for the most part, opinion and propaganda. It is hoped that no one on either side of this, by now, ridiculous assault on each other, on each other's opinions and on the Preside t of the U ited Stares and the former Governor ...more
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 12:43 AM
Much of what you say in regards to media coverage is correct however let's not forget leadership starts at the top. To date Obama, unlike presidents such as Clinton and Reagan, has failed in reaching across the aisle. His 2012 slogan should have been the same as his in 2008. He needs to NOT move forward with his failed agenda but Change his ways and get the country on the right track.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 11, 12 8:25 AM
Failures in bi-partisanship began even before Obama was sworn in,and after the 2010 elections Mitch McConnel said that the republicans number one goal was to make Obama a one-term president.
Now,who was failing to reach acreoss the aisle?
Nov 11, 12 9:32 AM appended by philathome
How quickly they abandoned job creation as their number one priority!
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 9:32 AM
Obama did not yet need bipartisan support in the first 2 years of his presidency yet instead of focusing on the countries #1 priority, job creation,he focused on implementing Obama care. His past failures to even reign his own party does not bode well for bi partisan support moving "forward". Even opposites like Gingrich and Clinton could work it out. Leadership starts at the top. By the way McConnell is not holding the cards Boehner is
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 11, 12 12:52 PM
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In Obama's first year he passed the recovery act that began infrastructure rebuilding;it also was about 1/3 tax cuts.
Bush passed TARP before he left office,and between the two the recovery began-job hemoraging stopped and began to go up.
The republicans didn't offer any help with that,either,and still haven't helped pass a jobs plan.
McConnel led filibusters throughout Obama's first trm-some of them over ridden by the democrtic majority,but his unprecedented use of the filibuster to ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 1:16 PM
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It's moments like this that demonstrate the remarkable leadership skills of Barack Obama: Obama To GOP: ‘They Can Come For The Ride, But They Have To Sit In Back’. Gee, I wonder why republicans are reluctant to compromise.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 4:28 PM
Elections have consequences.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:03 PM
With people like cappie and BF,here's where the GOP is heading-


GOP's state losses hint at national fate
POLITICS
Carla Marinucci
Updated 10:39 p.m., Saturday, November 10, 2012


Conservatives have long dismissed California, the nation's most-populous state and the world's ninth-largest economy, as the Left Coast, Wackyville and La-La Land.

But after Tuesday's election, there is one thing that Republicans across the nation can no longer do - ignore ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:13 PM
Yes lets follow the path of California the state that is headed for bankruptcy. They have more counties than other state that are bankrupt.
By the way Republicans aren't against Hispanics they are against illegal aliens in fact more than 60% of legal Hispanics are against illegal immigration. Way to spin it Dems
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:28 PM
This week we were reminded that Republicans are masters of blaming everything—but their own beliefs
By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:40 PM
The republicans aren't against Hispanics-that's why 71% of Hispanics voted for Obama.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 7:06 PM
The liberal hate spin machine continues.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:44 PM
Ever read your own posts?
Captain Narcissist?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:27 PM
Round and round it goes.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:29 AM
Haha, I see it i business as usual here.

Both sides are going to need to show that they are willing to change, not talk about it but actually show that they are willing to change, however small the example is. When I see that I will have some hope that we can start to get out of the hole that we have dug for ourselves.
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 12 4:34 PM
Seems like "change" or "comprimise" to the Demokratz always means wanting the opposition to completely give in. They never seem to comprimise themselves. Why should the federal government pass a jobs bill Phil? What would grow jobs is the government getting out of the way by reducing business tax rates and regulations that make the cost of business prohibitive. By this I mean OBAMACARE, notice the layoffs that occurred the day your boy Barry was re-elected? Goodluck defending Him the next four years, ...more
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 11, 12 4:43 PM
" Why should the federal government pass a jobs bill Phil? "

rebuilding our infrastructure would employ millions.
Creating jobs hasn't been in the rpublican plan in the last four years.
Abortion,restricting rights and obstructing have been.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:08 PM
<------ Nice way to try and make yourself feel like we are the ones out of touch, But this is the official county by county map.

DEAL WITH THAT!
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:38 PM
On Monday you told Progress now the we are the "Knuckle Dragger's"

REALLY?

Ask any five year old child if the sanctioned murder of living babies in the name of " Choice" is civilized!

By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:42 PM
The republicans are out of touch.
They only appeal to angty old white men.
They've proven that they hate blacks,Hispanics,women and gays.

Abortion is a womans right.
It will be preserved.
As will the ACA now that it will have been fully implemented before the end of this presidents term.

By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 7:03 PM
Nice reaching across the isle Phil. Impressive.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:40 PM
What are giving up?
You talk a good game,but I don't see the right giving any ground.
They don't.
Make demands and accuse the other side of partisanship.
That's why President Obama won in a landslide.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:26 PM
Another Olive branch... what did Obama win? It's status quo, business as usual.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:31 AM
Obama got something the republicans didn't-the confidence of a majority of the American people.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:33 AM
Ahhh, sounds like an ill fated mandate... mandate away.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:48 AM
"rebuilding our infrastructure would employ millions." Who will pay for it?
We need to do better than low paying, temporary work.

Long term good paying jobs, not provided by government, but built and generated by the private is the basis of republican jobs plan rejected by democrats.

By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:26 PM
The republicans have no jobs plan.They were too involved in staying out of touch.
That's why they took a beating.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:55 PM
Of course they do. It was poo pooed by the left. BTW, I welcome the beating... it is going to be a fun four years. We need to hit bottom, before people get it. Think Greece.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:51 PM
Long-term good paying jobs?
Like working at papajohns pizza?

No,more like construction jobs.
Jobs in research and development of renewable energy sources to wean us off of fossil fuels.
Jobs in education.

real jobs,not jobs that offer bare sustinence.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:23 PM
Corporations and millionaires just wasted about a billion dollars trying to beat Obama.
Why didn't they spend it on creating jobs instead?
I guess they can afford to pay higher taxes if they have that much money to throw in the toilet for a losing cause.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:49 PM
Yeah, the republican plan was to create pizza delivery jobs. The left outspent repubicans. Why didn't the democrats use all that foreign campaign donations to create jobs?
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:51 AM
Because it wasn't nearly what private enterprises spent.;millionaires and corporations are supposed to be the job creators,yet instead they wasted a billion dollars and are now laying people off because it was more important to them to defeat Obama than to invest in America.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:20 AM
Defeating Obama was the same thing as investing in America.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:25 AM
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they were investing in stupidity.
How much did you get?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:32 AM
With businesses laying off workers and cutting back hours post election, it's hardly investing in stupidity.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:44 AM
we already had a trillion dollar jobs bill, and it created no jobs. Why would we try another?
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:29 PM
It did create some jobs, but not nearly the numbers projected or needed. It was a failure by Obama's own goals and standard.
Nov 11, 12 5:36 PM appended by Captn America
In District 1 for example, 300+ jobs were credited as being created. The problem, they cost about a million per job and were temporary in nature.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:36 PM
And for 300+ jobs at a million dollars per job, Tim Bishop earned reelection. Yes, people deserve the government they get, and they deserve to get it good and hard.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:42 PM
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Earlier today Syrian troops began to fire and hit the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
The incident, described as the first direct engagement of the Syrian military on the Golan since the countries' 1973 war, highlighted international fears that the combination of Syria's civil war and Egypt's new radical government could ignite wider regional conflict
and further embolden Iran
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:51 PM
War is good for business.
That's why the right beats the war drums. They haven't had enough.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:57 PM
Phil, that's a very serious event that took place over the last day or so. It may have national security implications. Is it really necessary to take it immediately to the gutter? This is serious stuff.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 9:01 PM
Of course it's serious.
And your salivating.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:20 PM
Gutter snipe.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:44 AM
Let the chips fall where they now must fall

APPLEBEE'S targeted after franchisee mulls hiring freeze in response to Obamacare...

PAPA JOHN'S to reduce workers hours...
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:29 PM
The guy who owns Papa John's lives like Louis XVI. Moat, drawbridge, and all.

As I recall, things did not end well for him...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 11, 12 10:56 PM
It is never wise to seek or wish for another's misfortune. If malice or envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang.
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 12, 12 7:57 AM
Elections have consequences!

CHICAGO (CBS) – A total of over 6,800 people lined up for the city’s first-ever jobs fair on Friday – waiting in line for up to six hours – hoping to apply for work with the city, only to leave frustrated after learning the only way to apply for a job was to go online.

Bernie Tafoya reports Mayor Rahm Emanuel stopped by the job fair, expecting a warm welcome from job seekers, but instead ran into lots of ticked-off people.

More ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:36 PM
I don't have to marginalise the narcissists on the right-I can stop posting now because teir own postings do it for me.
It's clear that htey haven't learned anything from the landslide win by Obama and the democrats.It'll be business as usual.
The GOP is dying of the very meanness that it has let itself be consumed by.
dnice,Mets fan and the rest of the sensible republicans,I hope you can hold out and show the rest of the republicans here that there is much to be gained for everyone ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 7:29 PM
It's not about the GOP Phil, it's about failed the policies of the left. We've said it was coming... it's here. The pace of layoffs will rise. Work hours will be shortened so employers can afford to manage Obamacare. People will lose their health care. But don't fear, Single Payer is on the way... something you and the left have wanted all along. The ultimate entitlement in an age where the country is going bankrupt. The next four years are going to be an absolute blast as the comedy of errors ...more
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:37 PM
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We get it.
You couldn't win the election,so you'll ruin the country.
And you boast about it.
The people rejected your extremist ideology so they must be punished.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 10:15 PM
It is about the GOP.
All they won was the angry old white man vote.
Obama ran the table on the young,women,African Americans and Hispanics.
The GOP has marginallised itself into only being able to win on anger.
They didn't realise that the anger they stirred was going to vote against them.
It was the republicans who committed a comedy of errors.
They bragged about winning a landslide.And that landslide engulfed them.
Karl Rove better be careful,big money doesn't like ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 11:29 PM
As much as I hate to admit it, this post is about spot on. I know that we are going to be slow to change but the slower we act, the farther away we will get from what we want. Look, I know something about being a sore loser. I have always hated losing and it has motivated me to get to where I am today. We cannot afford to let this loss back us into a position of spite. It will undo us. I am not suggesting that we become spineless jellyfish but it is insanity to think that we are going to heal ...more
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 12, 12 12:22 AM
Perfect example is a story on the poltical page of todays Newsday. Because they voted for same sex marriage, several State Senators and Assemblymen lost the Conservative line. They lost, and in the process turned control of the Senate over to Democrats. Thereby giving the Dems the Governors mansion, the Assembly, and the Senate. Good move.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:35 AM
Phil, you're just plain insulting to segments of the population that supported Romney. Drop the MSDNC talking point. While winning elections are important, that's the only thing important to you. Doing what's right for the county is the most important thing. Whether the GOP has marginalized itself will work out over time. All things go in cycles, it wasn't all that long ago the democrats were getting trounced in elections. I'm glad to see the GOP get pounded, they need a wake up call. Fear ...more
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:43 AM
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I agree who cares who phil sleeps with
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:48 AM
2 years ago the dems were getting trounced.Its all cyclical. As the classy drunkard Chris MAtthews said "thank god for Sandy". The fact MSNBC did not fire him for that comment speaks volumes.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 12, 12 8:52 AM
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No,the republicans insulted whole segements of the population when they said things like women don't get pregnant from "legitimate rape",or that pregnancy resulting from rape was "gods plan";the republicns also cheered when Gingrich called Obama the food stamp president or Santorum said that blacks reserved jobs,not welfare checks.Romney himself insulted half the country with his 47% comment.
I can go on if you like.The republicans have been insulting much of this country for years.
Thats ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:57 AM
BTW, if droves of voters fled the republican party because they have been insulted, doesn't that make those who fled angry people? Angry hispanics, angry blacks, angry women.... just sayin'. To borrow a headline from 2004, how could 60 million people be so stupid? Hee hee heee.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:24 AM
Hispanics,blacks,women and the young didn't flee Obama-they embraced him.The republicans never stood a chance with any of those groups,all anyone has to do is look at the rhetoric over the last few years.
As far as 2004 goes,they still haven't explained it.
tell us.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:30 AM
But apparently angry none the less. 2004, the best candidate won. 2012, not so much.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:41 AM
Romney?

Bwahahahahahaha
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:43 AM
Never said Romney.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 11:47 AM
When you get laid off............ just remember. you cant get blood from a stone imbecile
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 12, 12 12:14 AM
And since your a stne imbecile,we should listen to you.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 8:27 AM
Just like to thank all those weakthy contributors to those Republican Pacs and Super Pacs, near as I can figure all that money helped improve the economy, created jobs in media and publications, and helped re-elect President Obama, a stronger Democratic majority in the Senate and a pick up of a couple of searts in the House. Yep you gotta take hats off to those one percenters who spent and nelp themselves lose. You just gotta love the US of A. Only in America. Now you guys can go back to your ...more
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 1:04 PM
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By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 12, 12 4:14 PM
Another employer decides to punish his employees because he couldn't buy the election.
Maybe he should have taken some of the money he contributed and looked out for his employees.That's what somebody less profit-driven would do.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 4:19 PM
you no it baby FOUR MO YEARS!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 12, 12 5:04 PM
to NTiger:

I did my part, repeatedly exhorting Randy to spend more of his millions out here. (cf. The July 4th Up With Randy! Lobster & Music Fest.) Our grief at his loss would be greatly assuaged had we fond memories of seafood & rock music (& beer.)
By highhatsize (2115), East Quogue on Nov 12, 12 2:00 PM
Yes Phil , you are the champion of the murder of innocents here. You disgust me and anyone with a conscience. Not all women are in favor of murdering their unborn children as a matter of convenience, but carry on defending this barbaric practice, cretin.
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 12, 12 3:11 PM
blah,blah,blah.
BF is off his meds again.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 4:20 PM
Phill just for one second read the words they are saying. How can you be so callous... its one thing to be close minded politically but you are talking about a selfishly brutal and barbaric act of conveienace... it is truly disgusting and inhuman.
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 12, 12 4:53 PM
"Plan B" is not the "murder of innocents". Life does not begin at conception. Life begins at the point you can no longer sustain the development of a fetus outside of a womb, i.e., in a lab environment. A blastodermic vesicle is not life.

BF, are you one of the people who picket with those savagely disturbing photos on Hampton Rd. ?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 5:26 PM
Your just as bad as Phil if you believe that shat, You are a selfish person if you could snuff out the life of a baby. infanticide is a very ugly thing my friend. It takes a real callous creep to condone it think about it and take a look in the mirror.
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:32 PM
No, not callous. The point of view of a scientist.

A collection of cells in a petri dish is not a baby.

Did I hear you crowing about Dolly the sheep?

Nope, I didn't think so.
Nov 12, 12 9:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
"How come when it's us, it's an abortion. When it's a chicken, it's an omelette." ~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 9:03 PM
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By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 13, 12 9:17 AM
Hey Z - Carlin didn't know what he was talking about. The eggs we eat are unfertilized....

Also, from our favorite quote machine Snooki on being a mom:
"I'm excited to be a MILF."

So, there you have it
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 9:29 AM
Nice porn reference.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 7:08 PM
They are purosefully left unfertilized. I guess you aren't against chicken contraception?

I suppose every fertilized egg that does not attach itself to the wall of the uterus (this does happen) makes a woman guilty of abortion too.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 9:03 PM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 9:14 PM
Time to pay the piper dig in those pockets and pay the benifits BABY!

FOUR MO YEARS!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 12, 12 5:07 PM
Thats right time too dig in the pockets. Unfortunately it will be our pockets. When was he last time business paid without passing it on too u? They will cut employees and raise prices too pay for medical benefits.By the way you goverment leachs your benefits will also be cut. Welcome to the change we were hearing about, By the way if you think a fetus that is aborted is not a human being your fooling yourself and are a sick person.
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:43 PM
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Perfect.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 12, 12 8:56 PM
And you sir, are lacking in substance. How would you post without having FOX feed you drivel?
Government leachs? You do mean leachEs I assume.

p.s. There is a difference between "to" and "too." Adding the extra o doesn't get you any brownie points.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 9:32 PM
Please give me a break Phadreus go back to your govt teet job and make believe the govt will pay you your well deserved pension. LOL But seriously people like you and the rest of the democrats just want a hand out and everything for free. When someone like me mentions we need cuts and lower taxes your offended. Get a life and a real job and report back to me on how easy it is.
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:49 PM
Thanks for once again proving my oint,cheif.
The right beleives that working people are lazy and undeserving.
No one is as good as they are.They look down at anyone who doesn't see the world through their twisted lens.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:59 PM
Let's get an early start for Obama since the last one didn't go so well. Roberts botched that too.

I, (insert name here), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will FAITHFULLY EXECUTE the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States.

Oh crap, they had to throw "to the best of my ability" in there. We're toast.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:20 PM
(CNSNews.com) – It’s Friday morning, and so far today, the Obama administration has posted 165 new regulations and notifications on its reguations.gov website.

In the past 90 days, it has posted 6,125 regulations and notices – an average of 68 a day.

Nov 12, 12 6:36 PM appended by 27dan
Where are all the so called women on this site when the topic of abortion comes up they run like rats on a sinking ship. Surly there are some woman under 35 that still have some compassion left in there bodies. someone female please speak up for these poor and discarded souls
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:36 PM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 7:10 PM
George Carlin: Pro Life, Abortion, And The Sanctity Of Life
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 9:07 PM
OK CHAMP, WHATEVER YOU SAY
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 12, 12 8:34 PM
"How come when it's us, it's an abortion. When it's a chicken, it's an omelette."

"If you read History, you realize God is the leading cause of death."

~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 9:16 PM
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Z - tell me when that egg you plan to make an omlette with turns into a chicken... ya might be waitin' awhile!
By Nature (2590), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 3:26 PM
Tell me something.
If there was a house on fire,and in that house was a petri dish of human cells and a baby,and you could only save one of them,which one would you save and why.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 4:27 PM
Here's another on.
If your wife was raped by,say,Barack Obama,and she didn't want to have his baby becuase she found it to be completely revolting,would you force her to have that baby?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 4:29 PM
If she was a decent person she would have it
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:34 PM
that wasn't the question.
If she didn't want it,would you force her to have it?
yes or no.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:54 PM
“There’s no greater sign of the failure of the American educational system than the extent to which Americans are distracted by the possibility that Earth might end on December 21, 2012. It’s a profound absence of awareness of the laws of physics and how nature works. So they’re missing some science classes in their training in high school or in college that would empower [them] to understand and to judge when someone else is basically just full of it. Science is like an ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 9:42 PM
when you base your beleifs on superstion and justify them by dismissing science fact for science fiction,you've surrendered logic to fantasy.Instead of striving to understand you accept that the paranormal dictates your direction.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 10:04 PM
still no answers.
would you let your wife make her own decision or would you excercise the domination hat you seem to savor over her?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 6:34 AM
Like double standard always says, Good one "ZATHOME"
I believe he is right and you are one person. It rally stands to reason. Look at Mr.Z's post number 3982 it is like 3000 posts more than anyone here except for - Phil who has ROTFLOL 3852 coincidence I think not.
That, combined with the content of there texts (for example George Carlin reference) I think we have a undeniable match. My theory is when Mr. Z Knows he is going to sound stupid he takes on his alter ego Phil. Allowing a wide ...more
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 12, 12 9:42 PM
I believe if you had brains, you'd be dangerous.

As for your "detective work", you'd make a great Keystone Cop.

By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 2:26 AM
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Or stooge.
maybe he's curly Joe.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 4:30 PM
Z , I am reasonable and break with my party on some decisions would gladly trade the Roe v. Wade decision for same sex marriage rights. You talk about George Carlin's rant on abortion and I have seen it. In the 70s and 80s he was a very funny man, but morphed into a sad figure in his last years trying to regain his relevance. I found his rant on abortion disgusting.In his later years he was no more a comedian than Alan Grayson or Al Franken. He was more of a displaced hippie activist
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 13, 12 8:55 AM
We haven't seen you break with your party on any issues.
As for George Carlin,he remained popular right up until his death.He continued to comment in his act about relevant social issues,including abortion,education and religion.
And as far as trading off one right for another,it is obvious that you place little value on anybodys rights since it would be so easy to deny someone theirs for your own convenience.
If you don't like abortion,don't have one.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 4:34 PM
Looks like he just broke with the party one box up or did you miss that. How bout it little phil would you trade abortion rights for gay marriage rights? Joe could persuaded me to see that as a civilized compromise. bet you can't be persuaded into anything but everything your way.
Nov 13, 12 6:38 PM appended by 27dan
And by the way its been 3 days and I still have not seen one woman under 35 publicly defend the right to life position. Disgusting what you have become!
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:38 PM
Trading one persons rights for anothers?
No. That is tyranny.
And women won't defend your position because of your fanatical and extremist expression of disdain for their rights.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:46 PM
Carlin not relevant? Are you serious?

His last special came out less than a week before he died, and he skewered society as usual. A forty year career, numerous lifetime achievement awards, and numerous apperances not only on late night talk shows, as well as a panelist on many politically oriented talk shows. One of his best was on Bill Maher, discussing how fascism would come to this country. Not with jack boots, and brown shirts, but by the very same type of corporate system that ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 8:55 PM
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And the child that will never be Philathome ? Who speaks for the child's rights?

You will not find many left like the women you remember from your childhood Dan. these days the women under 35 you speak of are only interested in there own pockets.I agree the total lack of compassion has become a disgusting thing to watch, but what I find even more disturbing is the lack of older women commenting on behalf of the un born.
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 13, 12 11:12 PM
Carlin was relevant. As a COMEDIAN.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 14, 12 12:20 AM
I'm going to let you in on a little secret about being successful at comedy. One part of being successful is being able to stand up on stage, and tell the truth with style. Carlin's style was intellect and education, blended with common sense. His description of religion alone is not only spot on, HE made the perception of whatever crock of crap society has managed to convince itself of as some perceived truth hilarious with his delivery. If you can't tell the difference between the truth, and ...more
Nov 14, 12 5:37 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, his routine on assassination, murder, genocide, torture, the Aztecs, and cannibalism was brilliant.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 5:37 AM
UD, I asked a couple of questions about a dozen posts above.Perhaps you will answer them.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 6:29 AM
And Z and I are two different people;but we don't have to prove that.
You're just not used to having to deal with people who are willing to voice a different opinion than your own.If you want to hear a bunch of people who all sound alike,read through these articles again.Z and I don't agree on all topics;but the right wing echo machine sounds like thhhey're all sitting in the same room all the time.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 4:39 PM
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I believe you are two people due to how crazy it makes Mr.Z when he is accused of being Philathome. It is hilarious. Don't worry Mr.Z everyone can see you are much more educated than Phil, I think the others are just teasing you, lol
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 13, 12 11:17 PM
You give Z way to much credit. He thinks he knows everything which is far more dangerous than Phil who is just a blabbering mope.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 14, 12 12:27 AM
General misperception all around.

No "them."

No "we."

They are us.

One orchestra.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle!

By Nero (166), Sag Harbor on Nov 14, 12 4:52 AM
The thing is,UD and Raz, that I make you crazy because you can't even come close to debating me and can only use childish sniping and name-calling
I may not be Mr. Z,but I'm a heck of a lot smarter than either of you.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 6:32 AM
I guess the righties here don't agree with their own party and would rather pursue their own "southern fried fanatacism"-

Jindal

Quote:
“We’ve got to make sure that we are not the party of big business, big banks, big Wall Street bailouts, big corporate loopholes, big anything,” Jindal said. “We cannot be, we must not be, the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys.”

“It is no secret we had a number of ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:52 PM
Jindal is on the money
By dnice (1336), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 8:49 PM
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I should amend that to say the fringe righties;the reasonable ones are willing to be civil. I apologize for not making that distinction.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 4:19 PM
Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back there Champion of Killing the Unborn. When your life is over and you're judged by GOD, you'll have some splainin to do! Simply barbaric little man.
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 14, 12 12:50 PM
How do YOU know what GOD will say? How do you know what our Lord will say about anything? Big Fresh indeed.
By summertime (492), summerfield fl on Nov 14, 12 1:00 PM
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If there is a god,he will judge me by the sum of my life.
I don't beleive in any single religions' definition of god.Man created god in his own image.
Nov 14, 12 4:03 PM appended by philathome
he or she or it will judge me
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 4:03 PM
“It feels even better the secoond time around!!!! “#
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 14, 12 8:47 PM
Killing of unborn childred is reprehensible to all religions. Even athiests and agnostics find murder wrong. Sleep well CHAMP!
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 14, 12 5:25 PM
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I sleep just fine.
Abortion is a legal medical procedure.
Now,care to answer the questions I asked above?
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 5:41 PM
Exactly Phil, medical procedure, which is why standard medical procedure precautions are necessary. To answer your question Phil, I'd have to say I'd save one dog instead of 1,000 frogs because I relate more closely to dogs but would be reacting more emotionally than rationally because dogs are better kissers.

Nov 14, 12 6:50 PM appended by Captn America
But hey, that's just me.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 6:50 PM
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Then your just like me,aren't you? You don't really beleive that a bunch of cells aren't the same as a baby.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:21 PM
Religion should have choked to death in it's sleep after the industrial revolution. The only thing keeping it alive is the relentless pursuit of power. You can have morality, and scruples based in scientific fact. You know what the problem with believing in some fantastical omnipotent being is? Usually the wrong people assume what the aforementioned being wants from you based on their own corrupt desire for power, with some exceptions like Christ himself, allegedly.

Said the Sherriff, ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 11:11 PM
That's why the right won't admit their wrong about anything.Because they convinced themselves that they are on the side of god and to admit that they're wrong would bring into question their entire foundation of beleifs.
After all,their god can't be wrong about anything.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 11:28 PM
I can't tell a person what to do with his or her body. I realize there are circumstances that would lead a woman into choosing to abort a pregnancy. That is your right. It is my right to think abortion is disgusting and should only be used a measure of last resort. It is also my right to believe that if you get pregnant simply because you are careless, and abort a pregnancy "just because" and you do it more than once, you are an irresponsible, cold-hearted idiot.

By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:21 PM
Guys like Phil always slip on the ice of responsibility. You want birth control? That's on the govt (tax payer.) You want an abortion? That's on the govt (tax payer.) You have a kid without the means to support him/her? That's on the govt (tax payer.) So in this fantasy world, er, new reality world, there is no need for responsibility. Great!
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:21 PM
BS.
Now you're backpedaling.
Abortion is NOT the same thing as birth control.
Carlin is correct.If your pre-born,your protected.If you're pre school,you're on your own.
The right will protect a fetus until birrth,then abandon it.
Nov 14, 12 7:29 PM appended by philathome
that is,they will abandon them until they're of military age-then they'tr perfect.They can make live babies into dead soldiers.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:29 PM
Your response makes no sense. Your post above, "bunch of cells" is one of your better works in that it's laughable. A) we are all a bunch of cells. B) I suggest you google "fetal development." C) I suggest you google "responsibility" as that seems to be the real villain in your life. I'd like to go through your 3870 pcs of propaganda and tag them all with "What about personal responsibility?"
Responsibility isn't an evil right wing word. You do know that, right?
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:46 PM
A0 we are all a bunch of cells-but we do not attain self-conciousness until late in the mothers' prgnancy,when the brain begins to develop its higher functions-

"The Road to Awareness
But when does the magical journey of consciousness begin? Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:10 PM
Yeah... it's all good, Philly. When you are on the ropes just say "I won't respond to your drivel." Run away! Run away!

So if there is no consciousness then there is no life.

Run away! Run away!
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:22 PM
I responded to the relevant part of your post.
the rest of it was just vitriol.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 10:16 PM
I woke up today and realized something and as I thought about It I smiled.
Maybe this is just what we need, maybe this is going to be dare I say, fun to watch. And now I say Congratulations. Yes, Congratulations to Phil, Hat, PBR, MR Z Progress now, Mets fan and to all the rest of the progressive takers. Congratulations to the Unions the Feminist's the Hip Hop criminals and smart ass no nothing collage students!

You now own it and you can't blame Bush. The next terrorist attack you ...more
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:48 PM
Amen to that
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:54 PM
Good Point, It is kind of a relief to know this Narcissistic smirking raciest wise ass Bastard from parts unknown will finally have to stand on his own record of failure.
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:00 PM
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I love that. "You own it." I think that's the best approach. Phil, no more arguments. Go fix the world.

Do we have to let Phil own it too? I'm just asking.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:08 PM
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to They call me:

So much ill to wish on your country.

Thank god that the party of the mean-spirited failed so utterly!
By highhatsize (2115), East Quogue on Nov 14, 12 9:51 PM
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I don't beleive for a minute that they call me will ever wake up.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 10:07 PM
"Takers" don't ordinarily work seventy hours a week.

**** YOU.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 10:40 PM
Today Romney repeated his sentiment about the 47%.
And the bobbleheads here are nodding like they just went over a bump.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 11:22 PM
Did you cordinate your KKK meeting with Joe H. bringing back the confederate flag yet?
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 5:47 PM
for all the righties who complain tha certain Americans want free stuff-
George W Bush sent everyone a check.
Twice.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 10:43 PM
Ms K - I - I should be ashamed? HOW DARE YOU. I have added 28 to the unemployment rolls. Have you ever been responsible for giving anyone a living, or have you simply taken from various employers? I am certain you have no idea what is involved. I am certain you have never worried at night how to keep them and their families with a paycheck. This is no longer my responsibility. I give it all to the government. You, Ms K, whoever you are, shall pay some of your increased taxes towards their ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 14, 12 8:11 PM
Bravo! No longer my responsibility as well! Let them own it. Ill buy you a cigar and a cola at the 19th hole my friend.
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 14, 12 8:16 PM
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What kind of business owner shuts his doors because he doesn't like the way an election has gone? When you were a kid did you take your ball and go home if your team fell behind? Was your business so worthless that you'd prefer to walk away from it rather than sell it? Is it paranoia, ignorance or something else that makes you dump people in the street, what do you fear? If your story is true, though I don't believe it is, those 28 may be the luckiest people in the area to no longer have to ...more
By VOS (614), WHB on Nov 14, 12 10:26 PM
to VOS:

Leon789's story doesn't pass the smell test upwind and a mile away.

His business is doing poorly. He can't sell it and he isn't willing to put the effort into keeping it going so he shutters it and tells the employees he's firing that it's all Obama's fault as he flies down to Florida into the retirement that their labor has earned him.

It's almost worth having a recession just to rid ourselves of weasels like him.
By highhatsize (2115), East Quogue on Nov 14, 12 11:43 PM
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D.S. the way I see it.

Barry and Phil ran on a platform of hate, division, and "revenge."

51% of the voters agreed with them

The country is now run by haters, dividers, moochers, losers, and bong-hitting slackers.

Let it burn.
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:12 PM
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Projection.
read the right wingers posts and tell me who the haters are.
try something different.
try taking responsibility.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:17 PM
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I'll never let it burn. Love it too much. I hate where we are headed, but I still love the place. Plus, Phil needs me to spar with and eventually hire him. I'll give him a few tasks to own.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:31 PM
I don't need you to spar with.
I need someone who is intellectually and emotionally mature.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 10:34 PM
No,it's still Bush's fault.He put us here and it's going to be up to Obama to dig us out.
Naturally,the right can't process the past and won't take responsibility for it.

By the way,did any of you catch the audio released today of Lee Atwater describing the Southern strategy and how to mask racism to the benefit of the republican party?
He describes all the ways to use code talk-much like we see here from the right-to use racism.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:15 PM
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Excuse me little fella, Its getting late... don't you have work in the morning.
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 14, 12 8:17 PM
LOL
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:20 PM
Uh, Phil. That's what TCM just said. It's O's now to own. BTW - trace back the beginnings of the financial melt down. Plenty of blame for GWB. However keep going back a little more. That's right, now just a bit more. Who's in the Whitehouse? Hey, that's Bill Clinton. Sub-prime what??? Look at the changes made to the CRA under Billy. Why? Well to get people homes, even if they couldn't afford them!!! Yet, I don't remember you posting anything about Clinton's contributions to the mess. And who rides ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:48 PM
The roots of the economic meltdown lie with Reagan.

For thirty years we've been told that feeding the swine of the "wealthy elite" will rain prosperity on all of us.

The Aristocracy of 18th century France, and England tried to convince the people of such a philosphy back then. The result? Two revolutions within just over a decade of eachother. Any more bright statements?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 11:05 PM
Yeah, Z. Clinton had nothing to do with it. Nothing at all. Whoopsie.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 11:21 PM
He didn't say that.
But Clinton left us in a much better condition than we were in before he came,and it didn't take long for Bush43 to begin to unravel it.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 11:24 PM
Exactly Phil, I didn't say that.

Clinton signed the GLBA, which I have noted on numerous occasions.
Nov 14, 12 11:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
You know what's really great after a sixteen hour day? A hot shower, and a pillow. Until tomorrow...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 11:37 PM
Ha haaaaa!!! Phil blames Bush for all. I tell Phil to look at what the Clinton admin did to sub-prime and what the effects were. Z blames Reagan and greed. Phil praises Clinton - attacks Bush.

You see why that's funny, Philly? You are exactly what you say you hate about the other side. You simply can't see or admit to the failures of the party that you support with such passion. It's all blame, blame, blame. You are very entertaining and one of the reasons I tune in here. Good belly laughs. ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 8:19 AM
Wrong! It stareted with Clinton an Cuomo!
tell the truth Z, Clinton sowed the seeds of the Great Recession by helping to inflate the housing bubble, a key part of the financial debacle of 2007. But this wasn’t because he (not George W. Bush) signed two financial deregulation bills. Although Clinton legalized interstate banking in 1994 and commercial/investment banking combinations in 1999, that had nothing to do with the meltdown.
The reason why is Clinton culpableis because his ...more
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:24 AM
DS and TCM prove my point.
they can't process the past and continue to blame the democrats for everything.

Even Red state.com has disowned and disavowed the nutjobs.
But they keep hanging on.
Lemmings on the sea cliff,waiting their turn.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 7:05 PM
Listen TCM, Reagan sowed the roots of the "Great Recession". He tripled the debt, pushed deregulation, appointed the mad printer Alan Greenspan to head the Treasury, and put Wendy Gramm in charge of the CFTC. Reagan tripled the national debt with his policies, and began widening the socioeconomic gap in this country. His tax cuts led to defecit spending, and to cover it he raised the Social Security tax, deemed a "revenue enhancement", and spent the cash collected on other stuff. Greenspan brought ...more
Nov 15, 12 9:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
What goes up, must come down, including mania inflated, massive money printing, "luft" driven housing prices. Statistical facts from John Schoen: "Currently, roughly a quarter of all home sales are short sales. There are several reasons they've become much more common in the aftermath of the biggest housing bust since the 1930s. The steep plunge in home prices left some 12 million homeowners owing more than their homes are worth. In a short sale, the lender accepts the proceeds as payment in full, writing off the remaining value of the loan."
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:34 PM
Phil wrote
DS and TCM prove my point.
they can't process the past and continue to blame the democrats for everything.

+++

Seriously, Phil? I blame the Dems for everything? Get a grip.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 7:48 AM
Philathome you disgust me. Yes - own it. I believe you will be contributing towards my retirement payout and also for the unemployment benefits for my ex-staff. I suppose I ought to thank you since you always claim to have a job.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 14, 12 8:22 PM
Gopull the wings off of a fly if you don't have any employees to take your frustration out on.
If you've failed at your business,it isn't my or Obamas fault.It's because you got scared and ran.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 7:16 PM
Leon is one of the "job creators" that the republicans said were going to save the country.
Look at him now.
Bitter and angry,doig all he can to destroy it.
The face of the fanatical right.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:59 PM
Nope,it was all the work of the republicans,and by what we see here the fringe fanatics still don't know it and will continue until they destroy their party.
The republicans still own this crisis,and Obama is the one who is bringing us out of it.
The desperation and frustration is blatant in your posts.
The fire of hate is the burden you bear,not me.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 9:19 PM
I have one word for all you fanatical "pro-life" nitwits: sentience.

Is a hen's egg sentient? No.

Is a gamete sentient? No.

Is a zygote sentient? No.

Is a blastocele sentient? Nope.

Is an embryo sentient? Almost.

An embryo in the developmental stages has absolutely no chance in hell of being sentient until at least eight weeks, when it then becomes a FETUS. Before that, it is simply a mass of cells which can be grown in a petri dish, and ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 10:59 PM
Unless perhaps one's perception of "sentience" is not accurate?

Could sentience PRECEDE the various physicalities to which you refer?

Is it possible, at least?

Another blinder may have to be removed? Or does one presume to have no blinders on?
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:45 AM
Great, Z. It's nice that you made it through development and had the opportunity to have such a cavalier attitude. Like I stated above, I can't tell someone what to do with their bodies, and I understand there are times where abortion might be the best option, but attitudes like yours are convenient in they validate the false belief that what you are doing isn't awful.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 8:10 AM
Now your a scientist again , LOL, You don't even know the difference between a fertilized and un fertilized egg. Stick to what you do best . Driving a garbage truck
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:16 AM
Roosters were not always so well sequestered from the hens. That has only become the case with more modern practice. And, every now and then a case of parthenogenesis does occur in life forms with lower genetic numbers, or those who can switch their sex when necessitated by environment.

The main qualification for sentience is CONSCIOUSNESS, which does not occur without a functioning mind. Before eight weeks, that isn't possible.
Nov 15, 12 9:30 AM appended by Mr. Z
gestation is pretty basic across species. Yolk sac, amniotic sac, embryo, all the same up until eight weeks. The only difference is fertilization, which does not constitute sentience, or murder of a person, which is defined as a sentient human being. Persons are sentient, embryos are not.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:30 AM
Suppose consciousness precedes ALL physicality, and you just haven't experienced this yet?
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:43 AM
And we assume all abortions occur before week 8. Nope.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 9:56 AM
Well DS those are the only kind I would support, unless it meant saving the life of the mother. The woman can get pregnant again, but resurrection just isn't possible.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 12:38 PM
Ok - so we don't disagree all that much. I'm not for taking choices away. But would you agree that it doesn't take all that much to be responsible and avoid the pregnancy in the first place? I mean I believe you attack the source, not the consequence. I don't believe that to be a radical position.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 2:02 PM
It's not a huge effort to be responsible, but having a backup plan is not a horrible thing. Contraception is a solid preventive measure, but prophylactics or diaphragms can and do fail, and birth control is not exactly the healthiest thing for every woman. Abstinence is a surefire method, but not the most enjoyable. Also, there are other ways for partners to, shall we say, please eachother besides intercourse.

Some people don't enjoy the use of prophylactics, and "Plan B" or the "morning ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:14 PM
@ PBR:

Consciousness without physicality would be a disembodied entity, a.k.a. a spirit, phantom, or more commonly ghost. Do they exist? I would have to answer that with a qualified yes. However, one would have to believe that "beings of light are we, not this crude matter" as Yoda so eloquently put it.

What I have actually found comical at times is that there are "church going" people who will believe in an "invisible man in the sky", the resurrection, eternal life, and Heaven/Hell, ...more
Nov 15, 12 9:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and ultimately it may mean a soul in the ethereal sense. I'm kind of an "anima mundi" kind of person.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:49 PM
Gotta ask a simple question here. Do those opposed to abortions also oppose the death penalty? Do those who favor abortions favor the death penalty. Or do both sides mix and match inconsistent philosophies? If the argument is one of the sanctity of life inconsistency doesn't help your argument. Don't wanna hear that some act of murder is better than others. Went through that with George Orwell, you remember all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others. So tell me folks, consistent ...more
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 12:03 AM
I am in favor of the death penalty in some cases that are clear cut.ButI suppot an exhaustive process that gives the condmned every benefit of the doubt.
Except in cases of mass murder,I do favor life imprisonment over execution.In many cases execution is designed to only be revenge.
The situation dictates the response.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:47 AM
And what situation would dictate the response of aborting a pregnancy?
Is it "Ooops, I was drunk"
Is it "I didn't have my govt issued birth control"
Is it "Man, I hate wearing them things"
Is it "I can't tell my parents"
Is it "I don't want to get a fat butt"
Is it "There might be health issues"
Is it "This baby will have severe deformities"
Is it "This pregnancy was the result of a rape"

Of the list I see a few reasons that abortion may be the best option. ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 8:25 AM
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and you wonder why women won't vote republican?
The war on women continues.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:54 PM
So double standard please respond to my question. Are you for or against the death penalty. Your stand on abortion is clear so are you consistent in your concern for life or not. Death penalty or not. Not interested in your views on Phil's views. Just your views on the death penalty. Is taking a life that way okay or not. Just curious. I suspect I know the answer, just hope I'm wrong and you are at least philosophically consistent.
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:52 PM
Every one of DS's responses in his above post shift responsibility to the woman.It akes two to make a baby;he totally ignores the fact that a woman doesn't get pregnant by herself.
As usual,he won't even consider that he is treating women as things;as objects or possessions-playthings that can be discarded and whose opinions and aspirations are irrelevant.
The republican party has allowed this outlook to become prevalent and they will never regain the support of women as long as this primitive ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 10:31 PM
Phil, you couldn't be more wrong. What can I say? You are so angry and blind that you make up your own versions of things anyway. Then you expect others to defend themselves against the garbage accusations that you throw out there. Not me. I'll debate policy and ideas, but not interested in your nonsense. I don't know why you are so angry and bitter, but your posts are just so ridiculous sometimes. If expecting people (men and women) to act responsibly, and calling them out on it makes for a "War ...more
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 7:26 AM
NTiger - I am pro-choice because I think there are valid reasons for abortion. I already listed those reasons. I believe that responsible actions would cut down abortions considerably. I think abortion should be an action of last resort. I'm also the father of 2 children, so I have an emotional response to the subject. But I'm not taking away your choices even though I may disagree with you.

Death Penalty - there is no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. As ours is not ...more
Nov 16, 12 7:45 AM appended by double standard
Holy too much coffee! Witness stand answers: Abortion - pro choice. Death Penalty - opposed. Two topics that make me wince when forced to answer simply as "yes" or "no."
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 7:45 AM
Double Standard, thank you for your response. Yes, difficult question on a number of different grounds. You have obviously given a great deal of thiught to your answer and your positions on those issues. Always nice to see rational thought, especially in these blogs. Sorry Imade you wince.
By NTiger (273), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 1:38 PM
Hey, NTiger, one gets the impression you favor a woman's right to choose. So do I. Did you know your friend Ken LaValle has a 100% rating from Pro Life Long Island, having voted their way eight out of eight times, and is also generally obstructive on women's health issues? This is the guy you felt should stay in the State Senate while you wanted his pro-choice challenger, Bridget Fleming, to lose and stay on the Southampton Town Board and run against Anna Throne-Holst next year.

Instead ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1116), Quiogue on Dec 4, 12 12:20 PM
Oh, for the Joy of living in such clear-cut worlds!
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 5:05 AM
OK CHAMP, you truly put no value on life. Murder is wrong, period. Be it killing an innocent unborn person or a convicted criminal. Consistant at least.
As to ZZZZ man's blather about the most successful among us being "swine" and "elite" Uncle Joe Stalin, Karl Marx and Mao would have been proud. Well done Komrade!
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 15, 12 7:41 AM
Reading comprehension not your strong point, eh?

That statement was grammatically a POSSESIVE. That meant feeding the pigs of the wealthy.

How has someone like you achieved his station in life?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:26 AM
How? By busting his ass every day, By sacrifice and hard work, By taking chances with his security.

And you mock the man? How dare you!

He is the patriot who pays through the nose in taxes and regulations so others can sit on there ass. and read Robert Robert Reich and that bitter sore loser Paul Krugmans
horse shat lies !

Grow up!
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 15, 12 9:37 AM
Grow up?

I will not tolerate being repeatedly mocked by him.

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?

Listen, I've got to get back to my seventy hour plus week now. Have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 10:13 AM
U.S. weekly jobless claims up to 439,000
Nov 15, 12 9:09 AM appended by joe hampton
Surprise! Jobless Claims Up 78,000 Week After Election; PA, OH Worst Hit The Department of Labor has announced that new jobless claims rose by a staggering 78,000 in the week after the election, reaching a seasonally-adjusted total of 439,000. Over the past year, and in the weeks leading up to the election, jobless claims were said to be declining, dipping as low as 339,000, with the media proclaiming they had reached the "lowest level in more than four years." Now, suddenly, the news is far less rosy.
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 15, 12 9:09 AM
Well, you can thank the nut job righties who think the sky is falling simply because Obama was re-elected. All the "Chicken Littles" will be exposed by the Fourth Estate. There already was a damaging piece about the owner of Papa John's, and calls to boycott corporations who are firing people simply because they are displeased that they weren't on the side that won.

It is ordinarily a petulant child who takes their bat and ball, and goes home when they can't handle losing.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:33 AM
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The "job Creators" are cutting and running.
The people who the republicans wanted us to trust to return the country to prosperity.
Now they're the ones destroying jobs and lives.
Blaming Obama because they didn't get their way,and now punishing working people for it.
They're pathetic.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 10:48 PM
A long as you continue to spew Your class envy ZZZ man, you will be mocked, and often! Your views seem to come from some Marxist belief that the rich should have some of their wealth taken and given to those who have less. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
In our area TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS IS THE ENGINE THAT MAKES US SUCCESSFUL, IF YOU TAKER ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY. Gotta get back to work on one of the most beautiful properties on Gin Lane, may the rich get richer, a toast that I make when ...more
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 15, 12 12:30 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, in our area it seems to work in your sheltered little test tube of a world.

Across the rest of the country it's a dismal failure. 30 years of trickle down economics, and what do we have to show for it?

A massive recession, well over a third of the country on unemployment or some type of assistance, the highest degree of socio economic disparity in last 130 years, fraud across the board from deregulation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg in ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 1:20 PM
To Joe Hampton, they call me, 27 dan, big fresh, razza,private america, please keep posting regularly for the next three years, as Phil, Mr. Z , HH and others couldn't do a better job in recruiting for the democrats. Your version of wishing and hoping that America is going to hell in a handbasket is typical of your anti-american behavior. Let me know how bad it is after this summer of DEEP pocketed tourists we had. This country with Obama is moving foward to solve problems. We are not reverting ...more
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:12 PM
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The morons you've listed are miserable ignoramuses who sit on their fat a**es and complain while others work proactively to make the country a better place. Teabaggers are racist fools who blame the world for their own shortcomings. They are the real entitlement society.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:46 PM
Ha Ha FOUR MO YEARS BABY!

GET ME ! GOOD!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on Nov 15, 12 7:01 PM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 7:11 PM
Great post,Mets Fan,but there is one thing I would like to offer:
Myself and the others aren't trying to recruit for the democrats.We are letting the aforementioned right wingers do it for us.Just reading their posts does more to strengthen the democrats than anything I can post.All I do is draw their opinions out into the sunlight;even republicans like yourself can see the hate and vitriol that posesses them.
I do hope that the republicans can heal their party;they have a great history ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 7:11 PM
Phil after being a card-carrying Republican since Gerald Ford, I have been a democrat since 2008.
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:06 PM
Okay;sorry about that.

By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:56 PM
Phil - you have zero ability to process info on a rational basis. It either flies 100% Right or 100% Left. While that seems to be convenient for you to make an argument, the fact remains that you base everything from a point of view that's extreme to either side, and not the view of any majority. Election results don't reflect 51% radical left vs 49% radical right regardless of how you process those numbers. I hope you understand that, though I'd guess you will not.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 8:13 AM
And we know how "fair and balanced" you and the rest of the right is.
If I left it up to you and your fellow propagandists, no one would ever know the truth.
We already know that we can't count on the truth from you and the rest of the fanatics that agree with eachother like bobbleheads.Keep on pushing the extremist positions that the country rejected;you'll be relegated to the trash heap of history like the Whigs were.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 5:26 AM
"Fellow Propagandists"
"Fanatics"
"Extremists"

His mind only knows 2 channels. I rest my case, your honor. No further questions.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:04 AM
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:39 PM
Women as second class citizens, Jim Crow south, Whites only. Herbert Hoover led us into the worst depression in our country's history. I'll bet the Okies were glad that everyone pulled their own weight. That had to be a thrilling time for them being displaced with no one to help them. Yeah, those were the days! Like I said 27 dan don't change one bit and KEEP POSTING! Don't worry Latinos and gays aren't real americans so they're votes don't count. Women enjoy being treated like Edith Bunker. They're ...more
By Mets fan (358), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:25 PM
I got no problem with Lateenoos hard working church going people. as for I could give a flying _ _ _ _ Dont feel sorry for no Okie fanokies if you live in a bad place move. Walk out on foot if you have to.care to try the real problem now? Its TAKERS LAZY TAKERS
Nov 15, 12 9:19 PM appended by 27dan
meant to say as for gays sorry I was on the phone when I typed that
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:19 PM
Okay,but let's go back to the 91% tax rates of that time,too.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 6:56 PM
Great post, Mets fan.

Illustrating the irrationality well is the post just above at 9:09 AM, commenting on the rise in jobless claims, which were due to Sandy. All of a sudden, this is the fault of President Obama, who, to follow the "logic," must have therefore CAUSED Superstorm Sandy! What a mean man to have personally caused so much damage, which then caused a rise in jobless claims. [sarcasm etc., in case this is not obvious to some]

The joke is that the rogues gallery listed ...more
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:41 PM
If all 47 million food stamp recipients voted for President Obama, it would account for 75.4 percent of Obama's 62.3 million votes.

Harry Hopkins, FDR's close adviser who ran the non-defunct Works Progress Administration (WPA), once described Roosevelt's strategy as "tax & tax, spend & spend, elect & elect." He believed that if Roosevelt put everyone on the federal payroll, either through aid or federal jobs, that Roosevelt would never lose. FDR won four presidential elections in a row ...more
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 16, 12 8:26 AM
Those Federal jobs built the TVA, Hoover Dam, the Eisenhower Interstate System, and countless other infrastructure projects, as well as maintenance and improvement.

You act like all those on unemployment never paid a dime into the system. The economy was destroyed long before Obama took office, and you will not fix in eight years, what took thirty years to destroy.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:45 PM
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The rise in unemployment numbers doesn't reflect Sandy----yet They do reflect the weakness of the economy, BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S ECONOMY. Your boy owns it.
As to the Demokrat win in the past election, when there's a party that gives and gives and gives to certain segments of society in return for their votes running against a party that esposes personal responsibility and hard work, the takers come out of the woodwork and vote to continue the free stuff. Sad times indeed. Gotta go to work ...more
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 16, 12 6:57 AM
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Bishop=Obama and Obama is nothing more than a socialist ideologue who is fully motivated to change the direction of this country towards European style socialist democracy. The debt is at 16 trillion dollars! How about making serious cuts and instead of creating yet another failed entitlement program, try BALANCING the budget!!!! There is no arguing this point. If you are against balancing the federal budget, then you are WRONG! The republicans pretend to act like they want to balance the budget, ...more
By louse pt. (90), springs on Nov 16, 12 7:07 AM
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Do you know what the colonists who founded this country held most dear? The egalitarian quality of their new society.

People who throw around the word Socialism like "WOLF!!" desecrate all this country was founded on. And, what this country was founded on sure as hell was NOT aristocracy, and socioeconomic disparity. The excesses, usurpations, and abuses by the aristocracy are what caused revolution. Start taxing the people who aren't creating jobs anyway, and especially those who pocketed ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 8:31 AM
I think you need a new history lesson. So you think the colonists who founded this country felt it was a good idea to tax everyone to pay down all of the debt that the GVt has accumulated even though the GVT continues to spend more. individual right, individual liberty, taxation without representation, and freedom frrom religious oppression are probably better reasons.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 16, 12 10:38 AM
No you moron. Penalize the people who broke their word, and lined their pockets with tax break dollars by not creating jobs.

Hey, look at my thumb...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 11:29 AM
Hostess going out of business; nearly 18,000 to be laid off


By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 16, 12 8:19 AM
33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores in the United States.

The company cited increasing pension and medical costs for employees as one of the drivers behind its latest filing.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 8:40 AM
I wonder how many of those poor people voted for card check ? Jimmy Hoffa, Andy Stern or Richard Trumpka they don't care about you, You people were just pawns in there game. You see we do not hate you folks that have bought into the government and union dependency scam. We are trying to make you see It is a dead end street. The legs cant hold up the table and in the end it will crash to the ground. Community and small business, You know "the one you didn't build"
In the end that is the only ...more
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 11:06 AM
there's your story,then theres the truth-

Quote:
Over the past eight years since the first Hostess bankruptcy, BCTGM members have watched as money from previous concessions that was supposed to go towards capital investment, product development, plant improvement and new equipment, was squandered in executive bonuses, payouts to Wall Street investors and payments to high-priced attorneys and consultants.


NBC's Savannah Guthrie read a statement on "Today" from the bakers' ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 4:17 PM
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Favorite parts:

What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:37 PM
I think many posters here,upon seeing the 'blame the workers' posts above know enough to research the issue themselves.
Once again,most of those posts were taken almost verbatim from right wing radio.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 4:48 PM
I got to say you are a complete fool. You need to move to Cuba and see how socialism is working out. The problem is everyone wants everything cheaper, and doesn't care how it's done. I remember that you were talking about Altshuler shipping jobs offshore. He had that opportunity because it is too expensive to operate in this country. Dems want free medical, retirements and have made tons of red tape before you even open your business. How can you even fathon opening a business in the US? You want ...more
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 16, 12 5:32 PM
sounds like you're the one whining.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 5:50 PM
Well I guess those concessions you speak just were not big enough, so I hope they are happy they took the company down along with there jobs.I feel sorry for the good employees that did not want any part of this
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 6:34 PM
Hostess was driven into the ground by bad management who took huge pay increases when they knew the company was in trouble.
Two bankruptcies in a year,the promise of re-structuring after the workers make concessions and now they're closing?
Looks like the company did it to themselves.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 8:39 PM
Much like GM, no?
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:47 PM
So according to you,GM should have went bankrupt and dumped millions into unemployment.
Now you have something else to derive perverse pleasure from.
Your extremist ideology was rejected.
Get over it.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 5:30 AM
I'd bet that the parts are bought up and we'll still have our beloved Twinkies and some of the better sellers. Just a guess. That said, the bakers union will probably have to settle for a worse deal than what was offered by Hostess. Either that or they'll just bust the union. Sign of the times. You can't promise 3 if you only have 2. Unless of course you are running for president.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 9:04 AM
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Hostess forced by into bankruptcy after striking workers failed to heed a Thursday deadline to return to work.The International Brotherhood of Teamsters did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press.
“We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:29 AM
Sounds familar with one exception. Twinkies are not worth bailing out with tax payer dollars but the auto industry is. Gvt must figure screw those workers this closing will result in lower health care costs. I must admit I did love there crumb cakes. We will see a lot more of this unless unions are willing to bend or interest rates climb. Unfortunately neither appears to be happening in the near future
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 16, 12 9:40 AM
You do know that the corporate system as it currently exists would be totally, and completely illegal under the laws and standards this country was founded upon, right?

Courtesy of Phil's research:

"Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, "restructuring experts", third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a "liquidation specialist". Six CEO’s in eight years, none ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:49 PM
I admit that I only did a very limited amount of research so far-but the officer salaries and the fact that the company squandered give backs by the union says a lot.The wall street connections and the plans previously to close plants also figures in the equation.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 6:37 PM
Drow your own conclusions to the similarity.
Hostess: Six CEO’s in eight years, none of whom with any bread and cake baking industry experience, was the prescription for failure.
GM: Except for Robert Stempel, who was forced out in 1992 after only two years in the job, all of GM’s CEOs since the 1960s have been financial men—“bean counters”. GM’s current CEO, Dan Akerson, is a financial guy with no previous experience in the car business.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:41 PM
Phil, please get back to us once that research is complete. I look forward to your unbiased analysis.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:06 AM
Benghazi Barry loves it , There are now 18,500 more dependent guaranteed votes for the cause. At this rate the 2014 elections will be just like last month. If they can just get control of the house... there plan will be complete and the constitution can be used for toilet paper at there next NYC art gallery extravaganza. You can burn it and lay it next to the cross in urine of the picture of Mary mother of God smeared with elephant feces. These people will stop at nothing less then total destruction ...more
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 16, 12 10:50 AM
And you don't like Taibbi?

Sounds like you completely ripped off his style with that paragraph.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 5:01 PM
Wow, This a Good one
Dems Ignore Rice's Record of Failure, Deem Her 'American Treasure'
Today, five Democratic Congresswomen attacked Republican criticism of U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, who is reputedly Obama’s pick to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. They actually called her an "American treasure.”

Talk about living in an alternative universe, She was just caught perjuring herself to hide the facts in order to get the POTUS re elected on 4 separate ...more
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 16, 12 11:21 AM
You do know that forswearing only occurs within a court of law, right?

As far as perjury, Romney and Bain Capital are expected to appear regarding charges related to eToys, including fraud, perjury, false SEC filings, and a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme.

Courtesy of Politicus USA:

There are hardly any human beings who have not had the feeling of disappointment following the failure of one’s expectations, and in most cases a person focuses primarily on the decisions ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 5:17 PM
Z, you do know Romney didn't win the election, right?
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 8:55 PM
Yeah, I do.

Now he can't appoint an AG who won't prosecute the eToys case.

Oh well...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:13 PM
I guess we all pick our poison. My poison is we already have one of those is DC. Some of whose prosecutorial discretions are related to a dead Border Patrol Agent, gun trafficking to Mexico, racial favoritism, voter intimidation and race-based decision making, blatant politicking, selective enforcement of Federal laws, and in the case of the fore mentioned Fast and Furious scandal - orchestrating a political cover-up. Good luck with that.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:31 PM
It really is sad this is as far as society has come in the last seventy years.
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:54 PM
New Declaration of Independence --

Google "HappyPlace (dot) com AND Declaration New America" -- posted 11/14/12.

You can't make this stuff up!
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 2:27 PM
Oh so you saw this finally, Secession movement begins a new American revolution . to you its funny to some of us it would be a dream come true.
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 16, 12 3:42 PM
With who in charge, the posters here?

Right!

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 4:42 PM
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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 10:49 PM
One of the people leading the charge for secession is a man from Alabama who lost his business because of-not the federal government,but the state government of Alabama.
They had a law against topless car washes.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 5:20 AM
Did job shipping Randy take the Lincoln Tunnel or the George Washington Bridge back to his home in New Jersey? Will he have to repay the Koch brothers for their support?

At least Randy conceded that his dirty campaign failed. He should talk to the grumpy right wingers Graham and McCain, who in a desperate attempt to make a big deal out of nothing, are trying to stop Ambassador Rice from becoming our next Secretary of State.

Poor John, once a respect war hero, now a fool wont accept ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 16, 12 5:23 PM
Wow, so much hate, so little time. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said the growing criticism of Rice "is almost as if the attempt is to assassinate her character." You don't say. Democrats just waged the most negative and divisive character assassinating POTUS campaign in history, and now they are worried about "a little" "character assassination” on a women who is at the heart of what appears to be a executive level cover up. Huh.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:16 PM
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2002: Ten killed in consulate attack in Karachi, Pakistan
2004: Two killed in embassy bombing in Uzbekistan
2004: Gunmen kill 8 in attack on US consulate in Saudi Arabia
2006: One killed by gunmen at US embassy in Syria
2007: Grenade attack on US embassy in Athens
2008: Rioting crowds set fire to US embassy in Serbia
2008: Ten killed in bombing of US embassy in Yemen
2012: Four killed at US embassy in Bhengazi

Republicans are finally concerned with the safety ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:40 PM
I'd like to think that Americans are finally concerned with the safety of Americans abroad. It's never the actual crime, it's always the cover up.
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:44 PM
As long as we can dream, there's a better world, right?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:58 PM
To bad the president has no idea of what is going on anywhere outside the White House. The man is a racist his whole team is composed of Blacks, and Hispanics. Mark this post next year will be 9% unemployment and 18 trillion in debt what a genius we elected. My favorite part of the whole elction is Blacks and minorites have higher unemployment, more high school drop outs, and wages have plummeted. They should thank Obama lol
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 17, 12 3:41 PM
Said the racist.
Now,off to your rally.
Hope your sheets are clean.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 3:57 PM
A USA Today/Gallup survey released on Friday showed Obama and his party drawing goodwill from much of the country in the wake of their triumph at the ballot box last week. Fifty-eight percent of Americans have a favorable view of the president — up 3 points from the USA Today/Gallup poll conducted right before the election. It’s also his highest favorability rating in the poll since July of 2009.

The public’s view of Democrats is also positive in the wake of a largely ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 4:15 PM
Captncrunch, I hear you and your fellow baggers have been placed on the endangered species list. Keep fighting for relevance in a world that has already dismissed you.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 10:45 PM
Mr Z said in a statement on Friday at 4:37 PM
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price".

AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said in a Friday statement.
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong ...more
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 17, 12 12:00 AM
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My post began with the words "favorite parts" and a colon.

You really are dumb as a box of hammers aren't you?
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 17, 12 9:17 AM
The owners own and the workers work.
The owners call the shots, set the pay scale and determine productivity.
The workers can take it or leave it.
Seems like the gangsters that run the Teamsters decided to leave it.
Way to represent your dues paying members.
Unions have outlived their usefullness.
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 17, 12 7:33 AM
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Spoken like a true dictator.

Well, written in this case...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 17, 12 9:25 AM
The Hostess brands will be picked up by other brands.Many of those union workers will be absorbed into the companies that continue the sub-brandsTthat's one of the benefits of being in a union,there will be expansion somewhere,and some of those factories will eventually re-open.
Something to keep in mind is that the workers who were not members of the union aren't entitled to those same benefits.They could be unemployed for a long time.
It is also true that some of those former union workers ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 2:01 PM
Phil you should really research things before you throw up bogus information. First off the so called Wall St pirates lost close to 500 million dollars trying to keep Hostess alive. The price of power, gas, flour and everything else has gone up much faster than they could raise their prices. As far as workers being lucky they are in a union that is a crock of crap. The bakers union is a low wage low benefit union. They can get 99 weeks of unemployment or pay cobra payments, but this union can not ...more
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 17, 12 3:35 PM
Looks like most of that $500 mil went to top heavy pay increases-

Again... for reviewing...
Brian Driscoll, CEO, around $750,000 to $2,550,000
Gary Wandschneider, EVP, $500,000 to $900,000
John Stewart, EVP, $400,000 to $700,000
David Loeser, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Kent Magill, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
Richard Seban, EVP, $375,000 to $656,256
John Akeson, SVP, $300,000 to $480,000
Steven Birgfeld, SVP, $240,000 to $360,000
Martha Ross, SVP, $240,000 ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 4:19 PM
Hostess faced considerable competition from Bimbo. USA and failed to adapt. Bimbo, USA is:

"» ball park (buns)
» bimbo
» boboli
» brownberry
» EarthGrains
» Entenmann's
» francisco
» freihofer's
» marinela
» mrs baird's
» oroweat
» sara lee
» stroehmann
» thomas'
» tia rosa
"

"Old Country
Weber's"

"Roman Meal bread
Sun-Maid bread
Cinnabon ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 4:25 PM
Hostess wanted to reduce the workers pay from $17/hr to $14/hr.
After giving big raises to upper management.
Givebacks the union made after the last bankruptcy were squandered.Nothing like pissing off the employees while driving the company into the ground.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 4:37 PM
Lets not kid ourselves it was the unions unwillingness to bend that killed it. Many things were put on the table. lower wages, an ESOP with a 25% stake in the company, changes in benefits and/or employee contributions but it was ultimately the pension that doomed them. Now everyone loses. And if you think those employees are getting their pension from hostess as promised you are nuts.
By razza5350 (1545), East Hampton on Nov 17, 12 11:02 PM
I thought this was well put:


It was Romney Vulture Capitalist Style Management that Killed Hostess, Not Unions

By: Rmuse November 17th, 2012


A scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for another’s actions, and usually they are easy targets to assign blame for something they had nothing to do with. Republicans have attempted to blame union labor for much of the nation’s economic woes in recent years and, yesterday, the Hostess Brands ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 18, 12 6:33 PM
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The takers and makers swithced places.
The makers were the union employees who produced the products and the takers were the management and corporations that decided to give themselves big raises and squander givebacks by the management.
The takers chose to close the business and put thousands out of work.
Nov 19, 12 4:45 PM appended by philathome
That should read "the takers were the management and the corporations that decided to give themselves big raises and squander givebackd by the employees.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 4:45 PM
Well isn't this just another example of what we are seeing throughout the country? Too few in management taking too much. Too many in labor expecting too much. When you have pulling in both directions things are guaranteed to snap. The shame of it all is things are mostly avoidable by way of compromise. Compromise seems to be a forgotten concept. That's really sad.
By double standard (1274), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:58 AM
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The Atlantic has an even-handed article on this event: "Who's to Blame for the Hostess Bankruptcy: Wall Street, Unions, or Carbs?"
By highhatsize (2115), East Quogue on Nov 17, 12 1:01 PM
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Congress: Obama Can't Utter The Words 'Muslim Terrorist Attack'
Dana Rohrabacher (CA) is not backing down from his recent criticism of President Obama saying Obama can't force the words 'Muslim Terrorist Attack' out of his mouth
By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 17, 12 7:12 PM
Manufactured outrage.
The right is throwing everything it can,hoping something will stick
McCain had a press conference the other day complaining that he couldn't get information.
Unfortuantely,he held it at the same time that Patraeus was testifying.
OOOPS
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 7:24 PM
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By They call me (1042), southampton on Nov 17, 12 7:46 PM
The best you can do?
McCain's been bitter since the election of 2008.
Time for him to retire-get a dem in his seat.I'm sure it won't be long before he retires after all the embarrassment he brought upon himself.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 8:40 PM
The OWNER of a busness has the final say on compensation, not the employees. If you had a job you would know this.
If the company folds, the employees, union or not, they are out of a job.
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 17, 12 8:08 PM
Unless the employees are unionised.Then it becomes an excercise in collective bargaining done in good faith between the parties.
BF wouldn't know about that.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 17, 12 8:46 PM
And the hemorrhaging continues on the heels of the reelection with more than 100,000 at 125+ businesses layed off since Obama was allowed to keep HIS job, with mountains of rules and regulations served as the icing on the cake. Mmmm Mmmm mmm.

Abbott Labs 700
Activision 30
Adventist Health 48
Airlines SAS 6000
AMD 400
American Cotton Growers 110
ArcelorMittal 20
American Independence Museum 4
Ameridose 790
American Airlines 4400 + 800 leaving voluntarily
American ...more
By Captn America (4189), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 6:19 PM
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And the takers spring into action!
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 6:22 PM
You got your makers and takers backwards.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 6:24 PM
It just goes to show that corporations and employers can't be trusted. The "job creators" that we hear the right screech about are now so scared that they're getting rid of employees;actually adding to the problems we face.
After wasting a billion dollars on the election,instead of investing in their businesses,they are now laying people off.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 6:31 PM
Well, well, well. A few new developments. First, the company wants to give out another $1.75 million in bonuses for the big shots.

Second, the company and union have agreed to mediation, and the liquidation is on hold.

Third, it seems there is a group interested in buying the company. Even MORE interesting is what they had to say about it

"Private equity firm Sun Capital Partners wants to buy bankrupt bakery Hostess Brands Inc., Fortune has learned.

The proposal ...more
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 19, 12 6:40 PM
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Here's your "vuture capitalism" formula.

Find a target company. Borrow a ton of printed cash in the form of a "new loan". Pay the upper echelon, consultants, and "restructuring professionals" far more than handsomely with borrowed fiat currency. In this process, saddle the company with debt it cannot afford. Declare bandruptcy, stiff everyone involved except yourselves, and walk away with millions in income.

Repeat...
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 20, 12 6:32 AM
Nice try Z. The Hostess employess were making 20 dollars per hr in places like Kansas, and other mid west locations where the cost of living is super low. Plus the benefits, and other nonsense the unions demand. They were being paid three to four more dollars than the average employer pays. These are low skill to no skill jobs. How could they stay in business with these type of salaries? These workers can't replace these jobs at half the price in this economy. Let Obama shell out 18,000 unemployment ...more
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:28 AM
When you consider the CEO makes $1200 an hour, it really starts to look like peanuts doesn't it? Employee compensation for over 18,000 people was roughly 800 million. Their revenue for 2011 was approximately 2.5 BILLION. Looks like gross, and catastrophic management failure from here. These top notch jokers took 300% pay increases, while the company burned down around them. If you want to blame unions for management's gross incompetence, go right ahead. It's your freedom, and your right in ...more
By Mr. Z (6231), North Sea on Nov 20, 12 6:58 PM
Obamaclaus to the rescue!! Fear not Komrades, He will take care of you, the money will come from the dirty capitalists!! Time to throw somw more payback to those who re-elected Dear Leader.
ZZZZ , how many people are employed by the venture capitalists?? Don't those jobs count ?
By bigfresh (1213), north sea on Nov 20, 12 7:35 AM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:41 AM
Vulture capitalists.
We know you have trouble remembering
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:41 AM
Thats rights Chief1, they also only pay $00.29.9 for a gallon of gas in Kansas.Heaven forbid they should overcharge you for your Twinkies. Now go check out what the executives of the company paid themselves.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:38 AM
I did checkout what the executives were paid. The top ten were paid under 3 million combined , and the rest of the money was deferred compensation which is now gone due to the bankruptcy. You should learn how to read a financial statement before you spout off at the mouth. This isn't a civil service job where there are guarantees. By the way a medium house in this country is closer to 160k and probally less in most of the midwest. The private equity company lost 400 million dollars last year they ...more
By chief1 (1323), southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:57 AM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:36 AM
That's a crock of crap.Iposted what they were getting above.Just the first two went over $3mil.
You need to stop getting your misinformation from the sludge report.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:37 AM
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By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:38 AM
It figures that chief would support the real takers-the rich and the corporations.o
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 11:40 AM
just do us a favor and STFU already.
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 20, 12 7:53 PM
Not gonna happen.
If you can't debae,sit on the sidelines.All you guys do is throw out insults when you're losing an argument.
I can't comment on anything without the peanut gallery getting their britches all twisted.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 6:14 AM
joe, eat a local scallop for a change, there's your problem!

(And yes, I know your predictable response, that I can go shuck myself also!)

So much anger . . .

Have a good Thanksgiving.
By PBR (4365), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 6:50 AM
Hey PBR I was playing around with the scallop thing..... take a pill. I am just getting tired of the way Phil engages in his slash and burn rebuttals to any facts he does not agree with. The class envy and disdain he shows for anyone successful. The prejudice and animosity he harbors . It gets old. That and the fact that I had a few cocktails ;)

Nov 21, 12 8:28 AM appended by joe hampton
Today there are more entitlement programs, more governmental pay-outs, more affirmative actions, more racial quotas, more reverse discrimination, more pay-backs, more class-action suits, more helping-hand efforts than ever before.but Phill keeps beating his occupy Wall Street drum
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 21, 12 8:28 AM
Anger, do you believe these hypocrites don't let them bait you in Joe.Just go back over the posts for the last year and tell us who has every other post removed PHIL thats who. Come on PBR tell us who else.Not B.F not Joe not me or Double Standard or Dan or Captain or Leon or Dnice or Chief of Razza nope JUST PHIL! and Local 84
"Phills comment has been removed once again because contains inappropriate content"
Oh but we are supposed to not notice that because poor Phil is a progressive ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (670), southampton on Nov 21, 12 9:38 AM
Hey PBR I was playing around with the scallop thing..... take a pill. I am just getting tired of the way Phil engages in his slash and burn rebuttals to any facts he does not agree with. The class envy and disdain he shows for anyone successful. The prejudice and animosity he harbors . It gets old. That and the fact that I had a few cocktails ;)
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 8:27 AM
Sorry,Dan.
What did you say your problem was?
Oh,yeah-

"Sorry,I have a problem with one of my hands due to the fact that my thumb is always up my ---

By 27dan (315), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 8:10 PM**

Maybe if you and your friends,who all seem to have the same problem,got together and tries,one of you could free up a hand and help the others out.
By philathome (8941), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 11:14 AM
You nailed it with the Class Envy thing He is very bitter toward anyone who has personal responsibility and has made something of themselves
By 27dan (990), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 8:31 AM
It really is sad Dan... he spends allot of energy on envy and proclaiming social justice seems it could be put to better use.
and then the rest of the Trader Joe's crown actually defends his anti American rants.
Nov 21, 12 8:46 AM appended by joe hampton
crowd
By joe hampton (1812), south hampton on Nov 21, 12 8:46 AM
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