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U.S. Representative Tim Bishop Victorious In Re-Election Bid

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Rohma Abbas   Nov 8, 2012 9:03 AM

Democrats won big on Tuesday, both nationally, with the reelection of President Barack Obama, and locally, as Suffolk County voters returned incumbent Tim Bishop to his seat in the U.S. House of Representatives for a sixth term.

Flanked by his family—his daughters, Molly and Meghan, his young grandson, Noah, and his wife, Kathy—Mr. Bishop, a Southampton native, spoke passionately and proudly about his victory over Republican Randy Altschuler to an intimate but vocal crowd in Islandia, whose enthusiasm was so loud that it interrupted his victory speech at times.

“I knew it was a tough race, but I’m not surprised,” he said at the Marriott Hotel, where Suffolk County Democrats gathered on election night. “I mean, I knew it was tough. I knew it was going to be close—we all did. But, I mean, I was never the underdog. People tried to portray me as the underdog. I’m the incumbent member of Congress, and I’ve done a damn good job.”

Mr. Bishop carried the lead early and ended the night amassing about 52 percent of the votes cast, or 132,525 votes. Mr. Altschuler garnered about 48 percent, or 121,478 votes, according to unofficial results from the Suffolk County Board of Elections.

The congressman won by a much smaller margin against Mr. Altschuler two years ago, when he squeaked by on a mere 600 votes, a vote count that took weeks to resolve.

Mr. Altschuler conceded the race shortly after midnight in Patchogue, where the Suffolk County Republican Committee held their headquarters. Mr. Altschuler personally thanked a long list of people, including family, local political leaders, campaign staff and volunteers. He also congratulated Mr. Bishop on winning.

“I wish Congressman Bishop the very best efforts in the next couple years,” he said. “God bless all of you.”

After the speech, Mr. Altschuler told reporters that running again in two years wasn’t on his mind. He also credited Mr. Bishop for running a “great campaign.”

“I’m not thinking about running,” he said. “I’m thinking about spending time with my family and helping my community.”

In his victory speech, Mr. Bishop spoke highly about those who voted for him. He said there were “a lot of people and a lot of institutions that bet against me” throughout the race.

“They bet against the middle class families of this district,” Mr. Bishop said. “They bet against the wisdom of the people of this district, the essential goodness of the people of this district, the essential sense of fairness of the people of this district, and the ability to separate the truth from lies—that’s what they bet against.”

Officials from both parties remarked on how high voter turnout was this year. According to the Suffolk County Board of Elections, 254,003 people cast ballots for 1st Congressional District race out of an eligible 444,401—or a 57.16-percent voter turnout. When the two met in 2010, the turnout was only 45.74 percent.

Mr. Bishop handily won in East Hampton and Southampton towns. In the Republican dominated Town of Southampton, Mr. Bishop got 12,649 votes to Mr. Altschuler’s 9,023. In the mostly Democratic-registered Town of East Hampton, Mr. Bishop pulled 5,763 votes to Mr. Altschuler’s 3,263.

President Obama carried Suffolk County on margins smaller than his victory in 2008. The president had 50.75 percent of the vote, or 274,830, to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s 47.89 percent, or 259,348, according to unofficial county election results. In 2008, the president garnered 52.55 percent of the county vote, or 346,549, to then Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s 46.56-percent, or 307,021 votes.

Asked whether President Obama at the top of the ticket helped him, Mr. Bishop said, “I don’t know that he had any coattails for me.”

County political leaders spoke highly of their candidates. Suffolk County Democratic Chairman Rich Shaffer said when it comes down to trust, voters trust Mr. Bishop. Suffolk County Republican Committee Chairman John Jay LaValle characterized it as “tough race” and described the young businessman as “a great person.”

“Randy Altschuler once again valiantly carried the banner,” he said.

At about 11:30 p.m., Mr. Bishop called it a “victory.” In his speech, he touched on the negative tone of the campaign, and also spoke about the unlimited nature of independent outside spending by Super PACs. Outside spending reportedly topped $3 million in the 1st Congressional District race. That’s apart from the more than $4 million both campaigns combined have spent in this year’s race.

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All the very best to Romney!
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 6, 12 2:17 PM
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If you want to restore Americas Economy, vote for a party that does not Outsource. Please do not belittle yourself going point counter point unless you go back to the Nixon days.
By coyote (14), southampton on Nov 6, 12 3:20 PM
Yes, Mr. Romney...have a safe trip home to one of your multi-million dollar mansions.
By Miss K. (96), East Quogue on Nov 6, 12 3:51 PM
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I voted for Mitt because I like baseball
By CaptainSig (440), Dutch Harbor on Nov 6, 12 5:07 PM
God speed Mr. Romney
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 6, 12 5:32 PM
Put integrity back in congress, Randy Altschuler is the choice. Tim Bishop is the epitomy of a corrupt congressman. CORRUPTION must NOT be tolerated.
By kpjc (153), east quogue on Nov 6, 12 8:31 PM
Romney currently is having his buttocks handed to him in Massachussetts.

That alone is priceless.
Nov 6, 12 9:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
"MIT and Mitt aren't the same thing, a poll worker learned today". Now you should understand why the Electoral College is a healthy thing...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 6, 12 9:42 PM
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Bravo Mr. Bishop, send Randy back to India for the last time.
By tenn tom (72), remsenburg on Nov 6, 12 10:48 PM
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Bishop wins!!! Good bye, Randy, you outsourcing, anti-American!! You have been soundly defeated!!! Good riddance!! And don't come back!!!

What an amazing night for democrats and sane Americans!!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 6, 12 11:55 PM
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Moving foward! Not the economic policies of 1920's, the foreign policy of the 1980's, the social policies of the 1950's. White doesn't make might anymore. A President has to have answers for many demographics. Men can't shove their opinions down women's throat and what to do with their OWN bodies. Don't mess with the women of this country. It is through their liberated lives that this country is the greatest in the world.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 12:31 AM
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I would bet that if Randy had just concentrated on the issues instead of attacking Mr. Bishop , we would have had a tighter race or a different outcome altogether ...
By AndersEn (107), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 12:56 AM
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Maybe he doesn't know them? His whole message was an attack like a child in a sand box.
By sag runner (21), Easthampton on Nov 7, 12 5:00 AM
Kind of like what Bishop did right? I dont think you saw Randys ad's. Do you feel that voters should now that Bishop was voted one of the most corrupt politicians?
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:06 AM
Yeah , we saw the ads . Randy telling on Timmy ... and Randy is a boy Scout .
By AndersEn (107), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:29 AM
No he would not have. He stood for nothing and his campaign was just a dtream of negativity funded by Carl Rove.
By olddiesel (8), southampton on Nov 7, 12 1:23 AM
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I was disgusted by Altschuler's ubiquitous campaign of slime. He was exactly the type of person i imagined who outsources American jobs and then expects American voters to reward him for it.
By btdt (298), water mill on Nov 7, 12 2:25 AM
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You're right and the voters agreed with you. We saw right through him.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 7, 12 12:20 PM
Congrats Congressman Bishop! Later Randy, stay away please...

Congrats Sen. LaValle on handily winning your race!

Bridgette back to fulfilling your FULL term on the SHTB... Now you can concentrate on the remainder of your commitment to the people of this town, rather than wasting anymore energy on try to step up and out of the office you were elected to. When one runs for an elected office those who vote for you expect at the very for you to complete your term.... Possibly ...more
By ICE (1200), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 3:19 AM
Hope and inclusiveness are alive and well!

The voices of Darkness have been silenced for a while.

Anger, greed, and divisiveness did not win the day, but rather have sulked back into their black hole, to fester and recharge.

Chances are, they will return.

Keep the Faith!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:55 AM
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Warren Harding once spoke of a "return to normalcy". FDR campaigned with "Happy Days are Here Again". JFK spoke of the "New Frontier" at the 1960 DNC.

Today this country has hopefully proven that it wants to go forward with egalitarianism, and the principles of it's founders. There is no "I" in team, and it's time to build a sane society where the full content of your character determines your path, not how many green purchasing rectangles your lack of scruples can attain.

Best ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:23 AM
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Well done, gentlemen.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:54 AM
Very sad day for American when Corruption wins over Success!
By kpjc (153), east quogue on Nov 7, 12 6:54 AM
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GOD HELP US ALL
MY FLAG IS FLYING UPSIDE DOWN TODAY AS WE ARE TRULY IN DISTRESS
LET'S HOPE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY TO PAY FOR ALL THE EXCESSES COMING DOWN THE ROAD
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 7, 12 7:12 AM
If I were you, I'd keep that facetious.

Flying a flag upside down without a bona fide life threatening emergency is a prosecutable offense, and a clear violation of the flag code. Isn't the flag code something a bona fide "patriot" should know?
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 8:00 AM
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This election has done it for me. This morning I will be handing out pink slips to my 28 employees in Southampton. A sad day.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 7, 12 7:50 AM
Quitters never succeed.

And "winning" is an ubiquitous with little value other than a sporting event. It does not wholly define success.
Nov 7, 12 8:02 AM appended by Mr. Z
Danged smartphone. "And 'winning' is an ubiquitous term with little value, other than in regard to a sporting event."
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 8:02 AM
dont worry Leon. The employee will probabaly be better off without a job anyway. Tax payers will care for him.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 8:05 AM
"Nice attitude" indeed. The incessant negativity and bitterness by some posters here probably drove undecided voters to pull the lever for President Obama.

Talk about unintended consequences. Hah!

It would be helpful for the future of man and woman kind, in my opinion, if the Nattering Nabobs of Negativity here would realize that the ship gets to port much more quickly if everyone is rowing in the same direction.

Or, if the jockey re-positions in the saddle so as to face ...more
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:22 AM
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Because Obama won? What makes today any different than yesterday? Were they employed by you for the past 4 years? If Romney won, you think this country would be back on its feet economically within the next few months? You should be ashamed of laying people off based on a few hours of election results.
By Miss K. (96), East Quogue on Nov 7, 12 9:28 AM
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<----- Thanks for nothing NY
Nov 7, 12 9:36 AM appended by They call me
" THE MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SOUND I HAVE EVER HEARD IN THE WORLD " barack hussein obama
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:36 AM
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Dats right you no it Haaaaa ha WHAT A DAY TO BE ALIVE!
SOCIAL JUSTICE COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 7, 12 9:45 AM
To Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods,Glen Doherty,Ambassador Chris Stevens and diplomat Sean Smith

Thank you for your patriotism and service to this once great nation.

I am truly sorry we could not win this one for you, but you will not be forgotten, even if this administration and the press that cover for it did not value your lives We the people did. and with a tear in my eye would like to humbly say you will not be forgotten and

THANK YOU
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:56 AM
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Leon, are you kidding? Look, we lost but there is no need to throw in the towel. The Conservative party had better take a good look at itself because if we couldn't win now, we probably never will. Changes need to be made or we are screwed. We also have to find a way to work together. It is what it is. We cannot afford stand offs and pissing contests for the next four years. Our elected officials are going to have to learn to work together for what's in the best interest of the country, not ...more
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 11:48 AM
Well said, dnice.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 2:58 PM
You, sir, are not a true American (Leon).
By zaz (185), East Hampton on Nov 7, 12 4:36 PM
Leon, I can't really take you seriously with the information you give, I suspect I am not alone. You indicate you are a business owner who is willing to walk away from his business simply because of the election results just like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so he's going to take his ball and go home. Help us make sense of this, will you? What kind of business do you own that you wouldn't even try to sell rather than close? What will YOU do for income even if you don't ...more
By VOS (673), WHB on Nov 7, 12 5:23 PM
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VOS why dont you worry about yourself and stop worrying about Leon. I can tell you I have a small business and one way I have been coping is by hiring workers on a part time basis so I dont have to offer benefits. I will also be deferring as much income as possible into tax advantaged vehicles. I also won't put as much back into the economy and save more rather than spend as much. I do this because I am preparing for what we all know is coming. Higher taxes.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 8, 12 11:44 AM
It looks like Leon has disappeared, possibly back to reality; why do you feel a need to defend him? And please explain your comment that you hire part timers so you "don't have to offer benefits". Who says you have to offer benefits, unless you're talking about things like unemployment, disability and social security? Could it be that you pay these people off the books?
By VOS (673), WHB on Nov 13, 12 10:47 PM
Randy was an outsider and the people of the East End knew it.
He ran a very dirty campaign financed by the Koch brothers and it failed.

President Obama and Tim Bishop's reelection is great news for America and for the world.
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 7, 12 8:18 AM
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Sucks that your boys didn't win , but you know what ? They didn't want to play nice . Maybe now they will learn how to get along and work together . No more of this , my way or the highway business and learn how to compromise . The voters will be paying attention and individuals can and will excell despite party lines . No more finger pointing and let's get to work .
By AndersEn (107), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 8:41 AM
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Classy concession speech from Romney. Classy victory speech from Obama. A great day.
By dagdavid (645), southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:03 AM
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Hey Joe H., Mitt and Randy, thanks for showing up. Isn't that how you put it Joe H.? Again everybody you voted for lost. You have no pulse of the majority of the people.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:22 AM
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Mets fan is correct. The repubs need to get on board. There are more people dependent upon the GVT than ever before. With 50% of students exiting colege with no jobs, record amount of people on food stamps, 47% of the population paying no federal taxes and GDP and jobs growth stalled the GOP needs to follow the same path of the dems so as to keep pulse with the majority
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 8, 12 11:50 AM
For 27 dan and razza, the blue states pay more in taxes than they take in. Explain that one! You keep worrying about those making a minimum, a minimum 5,000 per week to pay a decent rate of taxes. You bought into Mitt's and the republicans billionaire boys club economy.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:24 AM
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typical lib non sense. Pull some BS study from some lib article and print it as fact. Their are way to many factors and variables that come into play in putting together a list but I'll give one example. The top three on a BS article I saw are DC, NorthDakota and New Mexico. ND makes this list because it has a very low population yet has 2 major military bases, farming,an older population. and lots of federally owned land.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 10, 12 5:02 PM
You keep holding on to your archie bunker vision of America. You'll never get into the presidency.Your hero,( mine too) Ronald Reagan declared amnesty for illegals and signed into law giving the Indians the right to open casinos. Can you imagine a Republican with that agenda today? Romney's great solution for latinos was self-deportation. It is laughable. With that solution, he deserved to lose. I'm not going to give a pass for Obama. He promised in his first term an answer. However, it is obvious ...more
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 8:57 AM
!
Nov 7, 12 9:32 AM appended by 27dan
GOD BLESS TEXAS ! And thank you for being there!
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:32 AM
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If it's so great why aren't you moving there? You can be amongst your own and secede from the Union.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:27 AM
I guess Bridget Fleming will be back at Town Hall now that she does not have anything better to do,,,,,,,,,,more talk,more repeating what other Board members have said the final word on every topic....the poll results are clear,,,Bridget get another line of work,,,,,setting up a vegetable stand in Flanders is not enough for Albany or Southampton Town public office,,,the people have spoken,,,do the honorable thing RESIGN.
By Etians rd (195), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 9:49 AM
Congratulations Tim!!!!
By sandydog21 (111), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 10:17 AM
.... loved Rove last night with a pen and paper trying to undo the election results on live TV. Wait a minute - there must be some mistake here, my calculations show something different - is what he was thinking. Pack it up, and slither out of politics and take Randy with you.
By William Rodney (257), southampton on Nov 7, 12 11:12 AM
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Now that Randy Altschuler has spent millions of dollars in his second losing election to Tim Bishop, he has become quite well known and should be a welcome presence on any town board or other public position, given his intelligence and strong leadership skills. Trying to start off his political career in a congressional election was, in my opinion, too ambitious. I hope that he quickly gets elected here in the East End of LI... or even gets some appointment, to be able to start serving our community ...more
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 2:38 PM
If he is so "well known", you would think that someone like you would know he lives in St. James. How is he going to be elected to a "town board" on the east end?

All he proved was he fights dirty and has a ridiculous amount of $$$$ to throw away on a losing campaign.

What did we learn from him throughout his TWO failed campaigns that inspire confidence in him being involved in small town politics?
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:04 PM
Oh, and Allen, maybe we can convince Linda McMahon to move out here and run for local office. Her and Randy have plenty in common and I'm sure they're both really great people!
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:06 PM
allen, judging from your stein's beer level, I can only assume your post was intended to be sarcastic, or humorous. Mr. Altschuler can outsource himself to India where he is also probably well-known!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:40 PM
Randy is clearly well known, as he received just about 9000 fewer votes than Tim Bishop, who is indeed very well known. Over 118,000 of our neighbors gave their support to this newcomer from the GOP, almost half the cast vote. In my opinion, that is indeed proof that he ought to stick around Suffolk and work to improve our community.
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 7:46 PM
" or even gets some appointment, to be able to start serving our community"

Perhaps Randy can be appointed Goodwill Ambassador to India
By btdt (298), water mill on Nov 8, 12 9:08 AM
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That doesn't mean he is well known - it means a lot of people look at the letter next to someone's name and fill in the corresponding bubble.

Also, he lost by a LARGER margin this time than the first time. By your logic, that makes him LESS well known, right?
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 9:58 PM
You make a good point about where Randy lives. My point is that he strikes me as someone keen and prepared to work in politics. I have met him and like him, apart from the millions of dollars spent on obnoxious ads. We need capable individuals like him in leadership positions here in Suffolk. Most of the qualified people around here have careers that they are unable to get away from; if Randy has the time and interest to serve, he should get elected or appointed in my opinion. I feel one of ...more
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 3:27 PM
Allen - we had that. His name was Dennis Suskind - do you really want him back?
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 7, 12 3:45 PM
Well, I like Dennis Suskind, too. I am 60 and accept that those willing to stick their necks out and serve the community in politics, are unable to meet all our hopes. No leader is without issues. The task.of attending countless hours of meetings is generally a thankless one. However, I don't wekome all activists with open arms. For example, many from tha Party are severely lacking redeeming qualities!
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:33 PM
The Republican party should have learned something last night - they need to evolve on social issues. You can stand your ground on issues like same sex marriage and abortion as examples, but realize the results will be loss after loss. Who would I rather have at the helm on the issues of energy, economy, entitlement reform? Without a doubt Romney. Those are important issues, and in my opinion more important than the 2 social issues mentioned above. Yet time and time again Republicans catch themselves ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 12 3:29 PM
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Tea Party.
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:34 PM
You can't stand your ground on Stone Age positions.

They're so old, they tend to crumble under your feet...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:31 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By allenfein (46), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:37 PM
I don't know where the Tea Party is heading. I do know that if the face of the Tea Party is Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann I can't take it seriously.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 7, 12 4:49 PM
Randy is a carpetbagger like Hillary. Congratulations to you Timmy, home town boy.
By Sandflea (35), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 4:52 PM
What the republican party should have learned last night is that they should divorce themselves from the radical right - because they cost them the election. They have become parodies of themselves and they now have become fun to watch and listen to because they are so stupid.
By William Rodney (257), southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:01 PM
You mean the earth isn't only 10,000 years old?

I laughed for a week after I heard that one...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 7, 12 5:15 PM
Bye Bye...Randy.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!
By SHNative (546), Southampton on Nov 7, 12 5:32 PM
Congratulations to all the winners and best wishes to all the losers. I'm especially happy about Obama and Bishop's wins, and especially disappointed about Bridget Fleming's loss, but she ran a great race and that's how it goes.

It occurs to me that for the East End, nothing has been changed by this election, all the way up the line: same Asemblyman, same State Senator, same Congressman, same U.S. Senator, same GOP-controlled House of Representatives, same Dem-controlled U.S. Senate, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1202), Quiogue on Nov 7, 12 10:28 PM
That it do, TB. But it is the prcoess and results that run this Nation. I applaud your passion for your beliefs, but we both knew what the outcome of the Fleming/LaValle race was going to be. I will admit ti being surprised at the Bishop race. I can only assume that the President Obama supporters followed that line for Mr Bishop, but did not extend it ti the State Senate race. Makes one wonder about the power of Frank McKay here. That Indy line should have thrown Altschuler over the top.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:32 PM
Well its that time of year again when the snow has begun to hit the ground... so I must start packing in preparation of leaving this hell hole and get back to civilization. This election cycle has taken its toll on us all and I will welcome the sun and hospitality of the south.It will be nice to be among a more clear thinking culture that respects personal responsibility and family values for a few months. It will also be a big relief to be able to drive past a police car at 75 miles an hour without ...more
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 8, 12 8:30 AM
the fear of a ticket. I know Phil will still be here when i return as he will be in four years at this time.... Still complaining about his life. Still wishing it was differant... but doing very little to change it. I will pop in from time to time to see what is going on in the hood... Hopefully the unions will not have drained to funds so low that you people that are dancing right now will still have jobs in the spring . Good luck this winter my friends and pray for us all.

Because now ...more
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 8, 12 8:40 AM
And may the Lord, and the warmth of your rest and relaxation, also warm your Heart.

Vaya con Dios, Amigo.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 8:50 AM
Good luck, Joe. I have decided to hire Phil. He needs someone to take care of him and I want to keep him close and protected. There is going to come a time, probably next week, that all the happy Libbys are going to realize that they still have to do something. They'll have to go to work. They'll need someone to sign the front of the checks so they can sign the backs. That's why I get such a kick out of this whole deal - the business owners will still have final say. Squeeze business too tightly, ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 8, 12 1:36 PM
Banjo's are better than Ghetto's have a nice winter and bring me back a confederate flag I have a feeling they may be in vogue again real soon.
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:34 PM
Enjoy the warmth Joe. Chat with ya when you get back.
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 12 6:23 PM
Maybe he can bring back the KKK too, would that please you UnDem?
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 9:08 AM
You know the one displayed on the General Lee is not the actual "Confederate" flag, right?

I hope you get a real one...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 2:40 PM
It's time people started demanded politicians work together for the good of the country -- stop compulsive gamblers from running Wall Street, have everyone pay their fair share of taxes, outlaw offshore tax shelters or at the very least forbid Americans who hide taxes overseas from running for American political offices; put a cap on political contributions from people, corporations and unions -- do all of these things instead of listening to wise guys who get paid multimillion dollars to rile people ...more
By btdt (298), water mill on Nov 8, 12 10:04 AM
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Amen
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 11:26 AM
Tell all the beautiful girls on South beach hello for us ;)

And remember they can try and take our rights, but they will never take "our FREEDOM!"

God speed and a safe trip
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 3:24 PM
Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees saying elections have consequences well I say a lot of things have consequences and you better watch yourselves
LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas) — A Las Vegas business owner with 114 employees fired 22 workers today, apparently as a direct result of President Obama’s re-election.
“David” (he asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons) told Host Kevin Wall on 100.5 KXNT that “elections have consequences” and ...more
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 8, 12 4:15 PM
The people have spoken, and have rejected attempts by rich white men, primarily, to buy this election and OUR great country, thereby once again protecting the

" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."

The BILLIONS
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:41 PM
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The people have spoken, and have rejected attempts by rich white men, primarily, to buy this election and OUR great country, thereby once again protecting the

" . . . government of the people, by the people, for the people, [which] shall not perish from the earth."

The BILLIONS
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:41 PM
THE BILLIONS of dollars spent attempting to unseat President Obama were spent in vain.

The people have spoken.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 8, 12 9:43 PM
Billions spent on both sides I think PBR. What is clear to me after this election is that the R party is out of touch with the people of this nation. Minorities and women are not going to be marginalized.

Phil, I would not be surprised if Congress continues to block. The contempt on both sides seems to be in full effect and currently I am not hopeful. My eyes are starting to open, maybe others will as well. We will see.
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 8, 12 10:05 PM
Yes I was thinking of the total pot of money in the most general sense, thanks. As you note, the contempt and intolerance seem intractable.

The Golden Rule, however, will likely remain strong (He who has the gold makes the rule).

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:16 AM
You know what I realized to today? We are way overdue for a wacko preacher. It's been some time since we had a Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, or even Oral Roberts (saved the best for last). In those days, it was wisely noted by Sam Kinison that "we've got God's special education team here on Earth". It's said that nature abhors a vaccuum, so maybe it only makes sense that so many members of the Republican party have seemingly gone off the deep end.

Once nature was defined by four, then ...more
Nov 9, 12 12:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." ~ Albert Einstein. Think Heaven vs. Hell...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 12:24 AM
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Ouch, Z you may be right.

"Nature abhors a vacuum."

Well said all around. Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:14 AM
This country is ready too fall into a fiscal black hole and our president is going to Burma? This president is totally out of touch with reality. New York is still without power, and gas is in short supply and this low life is going on vacation? This country will be on its knees in another four years.
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 9, 12 1:13 AM
Your too ignorant to understand the problems of the country, and too blind too see what a disasterous path were on.
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 9, 12 7:53 AM
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Mark it down. Novemebr 6th 2012. The day America offically changed. 8% unemployment (forget the real unemployment rate) is the new norm. 46 million people on food stamps is OK. Debt spending is good. Trillion dollar defecits make sense. let our kids worry about it.Socialized medicine is good. It will cost more but honestly did you believe it wouldnt. Its not racist that 97% of blacks vote democrat but is racist if you are white and vote republican. Remember JFK "ask not what your country can do ...more
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 9, 12 8:40 AM
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JFK also said this:

"The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 10, 12 11:08 PM
Again.....
Bye Bye...Randy.
Go somewhere else and try and buy a congressional seat.
For all of you Right Wingers.....you sould be ashamed of yourselves for supporting this outsourcer.
Go bishop!

By SHNative (546), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 10:43 AM
< -------- Whats wrong with this picture

Seems a bit disproportionate to me notice the pattern

Blue = The takers with no personal responsibility / heavily unionized more divorced woman than married with an abortion clinic on every other corner.

Red = The rest of us
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 1:25 PM
Yeah.

The states with the higher prevalence of advanced, or post secondary degrees are blue.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 9, 12 2:37 PM
Just remember, odd comments must end at midnight tonight.

Tomorrow only even-handed comments may be posted.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 3:59 PM
PBR - that's actually pretty funny.. thanks
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 12 4:25 PM
Eeaahhhhggghhhhh !!!! (sound of buzzer going off)

Your comment is not odd enough. Please re-post tomorrow. Have a good-Natured weekend.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 9, 12 5:21 PM
Just because you aren't educated doesn't mean you aren't smart. Nahm sayin?
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 12 1:10 AM
I look forward to seeing the congratulatory comments to President Obama from the dissidents here as the economic recovery continues under his stewardship. The next years wii determine who eats crow. This election is now history. Be nice if we could all come together as Americans and dispense with this red/blue divisiveness. Afterall the whole world is watching.
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 11:21 AM
I agree. I don't ever remember a time in my life where my perspective or attitude has changed so quickly. It is time for change or we can keep banging our heads against the wall. The pols need to hear that we demand that they work together on this mess. Business as usual is not going to cut it. While I am not hopeful that Obama's policies are going to help, I will be the first one to admit I was wrong if they do.
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 12 12:20 PM
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Obama v Romney: 332-206. Bush v Gore: 271-266. Bush v Kerry (the self-proclaimed Bush "mandate"): 286-251. Yes, GOP, we have a mandate


By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 10, 12 1:15 PM
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What would that mandate be?
Nov 10, 12 2:33 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Flip about 155,000 votes in four states - Ohio, Florida, Virginia and New Hampshire,and we'd be planning a Romney inauguration. Not to mention, about 7 million right leaning voters that stayed home- for whatever reason. One of the dumbest things politicians do in the aftermath of elections is to claim a mandate. Even dumber is when they actually believe it. Reelected presidents are hisorically susceptible to the mandate delusion. Obama thinking he has a mandate, will be part of his downfall.
By Mr. Snerdley (134), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 2:33 PM
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Flip votes kinda reminds me of that old saying "if wishes were horses, beggars would ride". If the powers that be in Washington continue playing childish games the American voters will decide in 2 years just who has a mandate. Obama won, end of story, the majority of American voters have spoken, evidently they prefer the Obama way to the Romney way. Learn to accept defeat graciously. That, my friend, is the American election way.
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 4:40 PM
mandate is high defecits and debt, high unemployment, higher taxes, more dependency on GVT, failure to reform any entitlement programs for future sustainability, poor leadership, inability to reach across the aisle and lack of accountability. DJ is correct. America voted for change 4 years ago and now Obama can continue moving forward on his vision for America. This is what we voted for and this is what we will get.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 10, 12 5:10 PM
We have 8% unemployment and an economy in a recession for the last four years. Thats right the last 4 years we have been spending an extra trillion we dont have to keep our economy growing at 1%. We have 16 trillion in debt and by the end of Obamas term we will have the same debt ratio as Greece. So please explain this great turn around in the economy, because small business isn't seeing it. There was no mandate there were just a bunch of people including myself who couldn't relate with Romney. ...more
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:59 PM
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Obama won all the battleground states because Americans wanted him as their president
By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:18 PM
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I also recall a quote by MLK that said something about a man being judged not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character. If that were only true, Barak Hussein Obama would still be a community organizer and we would not be saddled with a Marxist in the white house.
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 10, 12 5:29 PM
??? A shameful implication!

The joke is on you, because President Obama WAS re-elected based on his character, and Romney was REJECTED because of his!

You just can't handle it!

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 5:57 PM
bigfresh, as you said on 11/4 under another article:

"Voting is the best revenge."
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 8:39 PM
I watch too much cable news, both FOX and MSNBC, figuring the truth lies somehwere in the middle. Throughout the day Tuesday, the taking heads on MSNBC were like school kids on Christmas Eve, whereas I noted that FOX commentators were looking like they were going to a wake. I wonder at what point those folks knew it was over?
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 10, 12 7:40 PM
Rupert Murdoch's network does not dispense news, it broadcasts opinion alleged to be fact. MSNBC has its own difficulty in distinguishing between reporting news and spurting out opinions. If anyone relies on either of those entities they should understand they are being fed, for the most part, opinion and propaganda. It is hoped that no one on either side of this, by now, ridiculous assault on each other, on each other's opinions and on the Preside t of the U ited Stares and the former Governor ...more
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 12:43 AM
Much of what you say in regards to media coverage is correct however let's not forget leadership starts at the top. To date Obama, unlike presidents such as Clinton and Reagan, has failed in reaching across the aisle. His 2012 slogan should have been the same as his in 2008. He needs to NOT move forward with his failed agenda but Change his ways and get the country on the right track.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 11, 12 8:25 AM
Obama did not yet need bipartisan support in the first 2 years of his presidency yet instead of focusing on the countries #1 priority, job creation,he focused on implementing Obama care. His past failures to even reign his own party does not bode well for bi partisan support moving "forward". Even opposites like Gingrich and Clinton could work it out. Leadership starts at the top. By the way McConnell is not holding the cards Boehner is
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 11, 12 12:52 PM
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Yes lets follow the path of California the state that is headed for bankruptcy. They have more counties than other state that are bankrupt.
By the way Republicans aren't against Hispanics they are against illegal aliens in fact more than 60% of legal Hispanics are against illegal immigration. Way to spin it Dems
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:28 PM
This week we were reminded that Republicans are masters of blaming everything—but their own beliefs
By DJ9222 (78), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:40 PM
Haha, I see it i business as usual here.

Both sides are going to need to show that they are willing to change, not talk about it but actually show that they are willing to change, however small the example is. When I see that I will have some hope that we can start to get out of the hole that we have dug for ourselves.
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 11, 12 4:34 PM
Seems like "change" or "comprimise" to the Demokratz always means wanting the opposition to completely give in. They never seem to comprimise themselves. Why should the federal government pass a jobs bill Phil? What would grow jobs is the government getting out of the way by reducing business tax rates and regulations that make the cost of business prohibitive. By this I mean OBAMACARE, notice the layoffs that occurred the day your boy Barry was re-elected? Goodluck defending Him the next four years, ...more
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 11, 12 4:43 PM
<------ Nice way to try and make yourself feel like we are the ones out of touch, But this is the official county by county map.

DEAL WITH THAT!
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:38 PM
On Monday you told Progress now the we are the "Knuckle Dragger's"

REALLY?

Ask any five year old child if the sanctioned murder of living babies in the name of " Choice" is civilized!

By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:42 PM
we already had a trillion dollar jobs bill, and it created no jobs. Why would we try another?
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 11, 12 5:29 PM
Earlier today Syrian troops began to fire and hit the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights.
The incident, described as the first direct engagement of the Syrian military on the Golan since the countries' 1973 war, highlighted international fears that the combination of Syria's civil war and Egypt's new radical government could ignite wider regional conflict
and further embolden Iran
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:51 PM
Let the chips fall where they now must fall

APPLEBEE'S targeted after franchisee mulls hiring freeze in response to Obamacare...

PAPA JOHN'S to reduce workers hours...
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:29 PM
The guy who owns Papa John's lives like Louis XVI. Moat, drawbridge, and all.

As I recall, things did not end well for him...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 11, 12 10:56 PM
It is never wise to seek or wish for another's misfortune. If malice or envy were tangible and had a shape, it would be the shape of a boomerang.
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 12, 12 7:57 AM
Elections have consequences!

CHICAGO (CBS) – A total of over 6,800 people lined up for the city’s first-ever jobs fair on Friday – waiting in line for up to six hours – hoping to apply for work with the city, only to leave frustrated after learning the only way to apply for a job was to go online.

Bernie Tafoya reports Mayor Rahm Emanuel stopped by the job fair, expecting a warm welcome from job seekers, but instead ran into lots of ticked-off people.

More ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 11, 12 6:36 PM
When you get laid off............ just remember. you cant get blood from a stone imbecile
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 12, 12 12:14 AM
Just like to thank all those weakthy contributors to those Republican Pacs and Super Pacs, near as I can figure all that money helped improve the economy, created jobs in media and publications, and helped re-elect President Obama, a stronger Democratic majority in the Senate and a pick up of a couple of searts in the House. Yep you gotta take hats off to those one percenters who spent and nelp themselves lose. You just gotta love the US of A. Only in America. Now you guys can go back to your ...more
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 1:04 PM
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By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 12, 12 4:14 PM
you no it baby FOUR MO YEARS!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 12, 12 5:04 PM
to NTiger:

I did my part, repeatedly exhorting Randy to spend more of his millions out here. (cf. The July 4th Up With Randy! Lobster & Music Fest.) Our grief at his loss would be greatly assuaged had we fond memories of seafood & rock music (& beer.)
By highhatsize (2316), East Quogue on Nov 12, 12 2:00 PM
Yes Phil , you are the champion of the murder of innocents here. You disgust me and anyone with a conscience. Not all women are in favor of murdering their unborn children as a matter of convenience, but carry on defending this barbaric practice, cretin.
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 12, 12 3:11 PM
Phill just for one second read the words they are saying. How can you be so callous... its one thing to be close minded politically but you are talking about a selfishly brutal and barbaric act of conveienace... it is truly disgusting and inhuman.
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 12, 12 4:53 PM
"Plan B" is not the "murder of innocents". Life does not begin at conception. Life begins at the point you can no longer sustain the development of a fetus outside of a womb, i.e., in a lab environment. A blastodermic vesicle is not life.

BF, are you one of the people who picket with those savagely disturbing photos on Hampton Rd. ?
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 5:26 PM
Your just as bad as Phil if you believe that shat, You are a selfish person if you could snuff out the life of a baby. infanticide is a very ugly thing my friend. It takes a real callous creep to condone it think about it and take a look in the mirror.
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:32 PM
No, not callous. The point of view of a scientist.

A collection of cells in a petri dish is not a baby.

Did I hear you crowing about Dolly the sheep?

Nope, I didn't think so.
Nov 12, 12 9:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
"How come when it's us, it's an abortion. When it's a chicken, it's an omelette." ~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 9:03 PM
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By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 13, 12 9:17 AM
Hey Z - Carlin didn't know what he was talking about. The eggs we eat are unfertilized....

Also, from our favorite quote machine Snooki on being a mom:
"I'm excited to be a MILF."

So, there you have it
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 9:29 AM
They are purosefully left unfertilized. I guess you aren't against chicken contraception?

I suppose every fertilized egg that does not attach itself to the wall of the uterus (this does happen) makes a woman guilty of abortion too.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 9:03 PM
Time to pay the piper dig in those pockets and pay the benifits BABY!

FOUR MO YEARS!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 12, 12 5:07 PM
Thats right time too dig in the pockets. Unfortunately it will be our pockets. When was he last time business paid without passing it on too u? They will cut employees and raise prices too pay for medical benefits.By the way you goverment leachs your benefits will also be cut. Welcome to the change we were hearing about, By the way if you think a fetus that is aborted is not a human being your fooling yourself and are a sick person.
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:43 PM
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Perfect.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 12, 12 8:56 PM
And you sir, are lacking in substance. How would you post without having FOX feed you drivel?
Government leachs? You do mean leachEs I assume.

p.s. There is a difference between "to" and "too." Adding the extra o doesn't get you any brownie points.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 9:32 PM
Please give me a break Phadreus go back to your govt teet job and make believe the govt will pay you your well deserved pension. LOL But seriously people like you and the rest of the democrats just want a hand out and everything for free. When someone like me mentions we need cuts and lower taxes your offended. Get a life and a real job and report back to me on how easy it is.
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:49 PM
(CNSNews.com) – It’s Friday morning, and so far today, the Obama administration has posted 165 new regulations and notifications on its reguations.gov website.

In the past 90 days, it has posted 6,125 regulations and notices – an average of 68 a day.

Nov 12, 12 6:36 PM appended by 27dan
Where are all the so called women on this site when the topic of abortion comes up they run like rats on a sinking ship. Surly there are some woman under 35 that still have some compassion left in there bodies. someone female please speak up for these poor and discarded souls
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 12, 12 6:36 PM
OK CHAMP, WHATEVER YOU SAY
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 12, 12 8:34 PM
"How come when it's us, it's an abortion. When it's a chicken, it's an omelette."

"If you read History, you realize God is the leading cause of death."

~ George Carlin
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 12, 12 9:16 PM
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Z - tell me when that egg you plan to make an omlette with turns into a chicken... ya might be waitin' awhile!
By Nature (2690), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 3:26 PM
If she was a decent person she would have it
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:34 PM
“There’s no greater sign of the failure of the American educational system than the extent to which Americans are distracted by the possibility that Earth might end on December 21, 2012. It’s a profound absence of awareness of the laws of physics and how nature works. So they’re missing some science classes in their training in high school or in college that would empower [them] to understand and to judge when someone else is basically just full of it. Science is like an ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 9:42 PM
Like double standard always says, Good one "ZATHOME"
I believe he is right and you are one person. It rally stands to reason. Look at Mr.Z's post number 3982 it is like 3000 posts more than anyone here except for - Phil who has ROTFLOL 3852 coincidence I think not.
That, combined with the content of there texts (for example George Carlin reference) I think we have a undeniable match. My theory is when Mr. Z Knows he is going to sound stupid he takes on his alter ego Phil. Allowing a wide ...more
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 12, 12 9:42 PM
I believe if you had brains, you'd be dangerous.

As for your "detective work", you'd make a great Keystone Cop.

By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 2:26 AM
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Z , I am reasonable and break with my party on some decisions would gladly trade the Roe v. Wade decision for same sex marriage rights. You talk about George Carlin's rant on abortion and I have seen it. In the 70s and 80s he was a very funny man, but morphed into a sad figure in his last years trying to regain his relevance. I found his rant on abortion disgusting.In his later years he was no more a comedian than Alan Grayson or Al Franken. He was more of a displaced hippie activist
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 13, 12 8:55 AM
Looks like he just broke with the party one box up or did you miss that. How bout it little phil would you trade abortion rights for gay marriage rights? Joe could persuaded me to see that as a civilized compromise. bet you can't be persuaded into anything but everything your way.
Nov 13, 12 6:38 PM appended by 27dan
And by the way its been 3 days and I still have not seen one woman under 35 publicly defend the right to life position. Disgusting what you have become!
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 13, 12 6:38 PM
Carlin not relevant? Are you serious?

His last special came out less than a week before he died, and he skewered society as usual. A forty year career, numerous lifetime achievement awards, and numerous apperances not only on late night talk shows, as well as a panelist on many politically oriented talk shows. One of his best was on Bill Maher, discussing how fascism would come to this country. Not with jack boots, and brown shirts, but by the very same type of corporate system that ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 13, 12 8:55 PM
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And the child that will never be Philathome ? Who speaks for the child's rights?

You will not find many left like the women you remember from your childhood Dan. these days the women under 35 you speak of are only interested in there own pockets.I agree the total lack of compassion has become a disgusting thing to watch, but what I find even more disturbing is the lack of older women commenting on behalf of the un born.
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 13, 12 11:12 PM
Carlin was relevant. As a COMEDIAN.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 14, 12 12:20 AM
I'm going to let you in on a little secret about being successful at comedy. One part of being successful is being able to stand up on stage, and tell the truth with style. Carlin's style was intellect and education, blended with common sense. His description of religion alone is not only spot on, HE made the perception of whatever crock of crap society has managed to convince itself of as some perceived truth hilarious with his delivery. If you can't tell the difference between the truth, and ...more
Nov 14, 12 5:37 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, his routine on assassination, murder, genocide, torture, the Aztecs, and cannibalism was brilliant.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 5:37 AM
Jindal is on the money
By dnice (1522), Hampton Bays on Nov 13, 12 8:49 PM
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Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back there Champion of Killing the Unborn. When your life is over and you're judged by GOD, you'll have some splainin to do! Simply barbaric little man.
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 14, 12 12:50 PM
How do YOU know what GOD will say? How do you know what our Lord will say about anything? Big Fresh indeed.
By summertime (515), summerfield fl on Nov 14, 12 1:00 PM
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“It feels even better the secoond time around!!!! “#
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 14, 12 8:47 PM
Killing of unborn childred is reprehensible to all religions. Even athiests and agnostics find murder wrong. Sleep well CHAMP!
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 14, 12 5:25 PM
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Religion should have choked to death in it's sleep after the industrial revolution. The only thing keeping it alive is the relentless pursuit of power. You can have morality, and scruples based in scientific fact. You know what the problem with believing in some fantastical omnipotent being is? Usually the wrong people assume what the aforementioned being wants from you based on their own corrupt desire for power, with some exceptions like Christ himself, allegedly.

Said the Sherriff, ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 11:11 PM
I can't tell a person what to do with his or her body. I realize there are circumstances that would lead a woman into choosing to abort a pregnancy. That is your right. It is my right to think abortion is disgusting and should only be used a measure of last resort. It is also my right to believe that if you get pregnant simply because you are careless, and abort a pregnancy "just because" and you do it more than once, you are an irresponsible, cold-hearted idiot.

By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:21 PM
Guys like Phil always slip on the ice of responsibility. You want birth control? That's on the govt (tax payer.) You want an abortion? That's on the govt (tax payer.) You have a kid without the means to support him/her? That's on the govt (tax payer.) So in this fantasy world, er, new reality world, there is no need for responsibility. Great!
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:21 PM
Your response makes no sense. Your post above, "bunch of cells" is one of your better works in that it's laughable. A) we are all a bunch of cells. B) I suggest you google "fetal development." C) I suggest you google "responsibility" as that seems to be the real villain in your life. I'd like to go through your 3870 pcs of propaganda and tag them all with "What about personal responsibility?"
Responsibility isn't an evil right wing word. You do know that, right?
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 7:46 PM
Yeah... it's all good, Philly. When you are on the ropes just say "I won't respond to your drivel." Run away! Run away!

So if there is no consciousness then there is no life.

Run away! Run away!
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:22 PM
I woke up today and realized something and as I thought about It I smiled.
Maybe this is just what we need, maybe this is going to be dare I say, fun to watch. And now I say Congratulations. Yes, Congratulations to Phil, Hat, PBR, MR Z Progress now, Mets fan and to all the rest of the progressive takers. Congratulations to the Unions the Feminist's the Hip Hop criminals and smart ass no nothing collage students!

You now own it and you can't blame Bush. The next terrorist attack you ...more
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:48 PM
Amen to that
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 14, 12 7:54 PM
Good Point, It is kind of a relief to know this Narcissistic smirking raciest wise ass Bastard from parts unknown will finally have to stand on his own record of failure.
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:00 PM
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I love that. "You own it." I think that's the best approach. Phil, no more arguments. Go fix the world.

Do we have to let Phil own it too? I'm just asking.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:08 PM
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to They call me:

So much ill to wish on your country.

Thank god that the party of the mean-spirited failed so utterly!
By highhatsize (2316), East Quogue on Nov 14, 12 9:51 PM
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"Takers" don't ordinarily work seventy hours a week.

**** YOU.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 10:40 PM
Did you cordinate your KKK meeting with Joe H. bringing back the confederate flag yet?
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 5:47 PM
Ms K - I - I should be ashamed? HOW DARE YOU. I have added 28 to the unemployment rolls. Have you ever been responsible for giving anyone a living, or have you simply taken from various employers? I am certain you have no idea what is involved. I am certain you have never worried at night how to keep them and their families with a paycheck. This is no longer my responsibility. I give it all to the government. You, Ms K, whoever you are, shall pay some of your increased taxes towards their ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 14, 12 8:11 PM
Bravo! No longer my responsibility as well! Let them own it. Ill buy you a cigar and a cola at the 19th hole my friend.
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 14, 12 8:16 PM
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What kind of business owner shuts his doors because he doesn't like the way an election has gone? When you were a kid did you take your ball and go home if your team fell behind? Was your business so worthless that you'd prefer to walk away from it rather than sell it? Is it paranoia, ignorance or something else that makes you dump people in the street, what do you fear? If your story is true, though I don't believe it is, those 28 may be the luckiest people in the area to no longer have to ...more
By VOS (673), WHB on Nov 14, 12 10:26 PM
to VOS:

Leon789's story doesn't pass the smell test upwind and a mile away.

His business is doing poorly. He can't sell it and he isn't willing to put the effort into keeping it going so he shutters it and tells the employees he's firing that it's all Obama's fault as he flies down to Florida into the retirement that their labor has earned him.

It's almost worth having a recession just to rid ourselves of weasels like him.
By highhatsize (2316), East Quogue on Nov 14, 12 11:43 PM
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D.S. the way I see it.

Barry and Phil ran on a platform of hate, division, and "revenge."

51% of the voters agreed with them

The country is now run by haters, dividers, moochers, losers, and bong-hitting slackers.

Let it burn.
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 14, 12 8:12 PM
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I'll never let it burn. Love it too much. I hate where we are headed, but I still love the place. Plus, Phil needs me to spar with and eventually hire him. I'll give him a few tasks to own.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 14, 12 8:31 PM
Philathome you disgust me. Yes - own it. I believe you will be contributing towards my retirement payout and also for the unemployment benefits for my ex-staff. I suppose I ought to thank you since you always claim to have a job.
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Nov 14, 12 8:22 PM
I have one word for all you fanatical "pro-life" nitwits: sentience.

Is a hen's egg sentient? No.

Is a gamete sentient? No.

Is a zygote sentient? No.

Is a blastocele sentient? Nope.

Is an embryo sentient? Almost.

An embryo in the developmental stages has absolutely no chance in hell of being sentient until at least eight weeks, when it then becomes a FETUS. Before that, it is simply a mass of cells which can be grown in a petri dish, and ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 14, 12 10:59 PM
Unless perhaps one's perception of "sentience" is not accurate?

Could sentience PRECEDE the various physicalities to which you refer?

Is it possible, at least?

Another blinder may have to be removed? Or does one presume to have no blinders on?
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:45 AM
Great, Z. It's nice that you made it through development and had the opportunity to have such a cavalier attitude. Like I stated above, I can't tell someone what to do with their bodies, and I understand there are times where abortion might be the best option, but attitudes like yours are convenient in they validate the false belief that what you are doing isn't awful.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 8:10 AM
Now your a scientist again , LOL, You don't even know the difference between a fertilized and un fertilized egg. Stick to what you do best . Driving a garbage truck
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:16 AM
Roosters were not always so well sequestered from the hens. That has only become the case with more modern practice. And, every now and then a case of parthenogenesis does occur in life forms with lower genetic numbers, or those who can switch their sex when necessitated by environment.

The main qualification for sentience is CONSCIOUSNESS, which does not occur without a functioning mind. Before eight weeks, that isn't possible.
Nov 15, 12 9:30 AM appended by Mr. Z
gestation is pretty basic across species. Yolk sac, amniotic sac, embryo, all the same up until eight weeks. The only difference is fertilization, which does not constitute sentience, or murder of a person, which is defined as a sentient human being. Persons are sentient, embryos are not.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:30 AM
Suppose consciousness precedes ALL physicality, and you just haven't experienced this yet?
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:43 AM
And we assume all abortions occur before week 8. Nope.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 9:56 AM
Well DS those are the only kind I would support, unless it meant saving the life of the mother. The woman can get pregnant again, but resurrection just isn't possible.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 12:38 PM
Ok - so we don't disagree all that much. I'm not for taking choices away. But would you agree that it doesn't take all that much to be responsible and avoid the pregnancy in the first place? I mean I believe you attack the source, not the consequence. I don't believe that to be a radical position.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 2:02 PM
It's not a huge effort to be responsible, but having a backup plan is not a horrible thing. Contraception is a solid preventive measure, but prophylactics or diaphragms can and do fail, and birth control is not exactly the healthiest thing for every woman. Abstinence is a surefire method, but not the most enjoyable. Also, there are other ways for partners to, shall we say, please eachother besides intercourse.

Some people don't enjoy the use of prophylactics, and "Plan B" or the "morning ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:14 PM
@ PBR:

Consciousness without physicality would be a disembodied entity, a.k.a. a spirit, phantom, or more commonly ghost. Do they exist? I would have to answer that with a qualified yes. However, one would have to believe that "beings of light are we, not this crude matter" as Yoda so eloquently put it.

What I have actually found comical at times is that there are "church going" people who will believe in an "invisible man in the sky", the resurrection, eternal life, and Heaven/Hell, ...more
Nov 15, 12 9:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and ultimately it may mean a soul in the ethereal sense. I'm kind of an "anima mundi" kind of person.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:49 PM
Gotta ask a simple question here. Do those opposed to abortions also oppose the death penalty? Do those who favor abortions favor the death penalty. Or do both sides mix and match inconsistent philosophies? If the argument is one of the sanctity of life inconsistency doesn't help your argument. Don't wanna hear that some act of murder is better than others. Went through that with George Orwell, you remember all pigs are equal, but some pigs are more equal than others. So tell me folks, consistent ...more
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 12:03 AM
And what situation would dictate the response of aborting a pregnancy?
Is it "Ooops, I was drunk"
Is it "I didn't have my govt issued birth control"
Is it "Man, I hate wearing them things"
Is it "I can't tell my parents"
Is it "I don't want to get a fat butt"
Is it "There might be health issues"
Is it "This baby will have severe deformities"
Is it "This pregnancy was the result of a rape"

Of the list I see a few reasons that abortion may be the best option. ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 15, 12 8:25 AM
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So double standard please respond to my question. Are you for or against the death penalty. Your stand on abortion is clear so are you consistent in your concern for life or not. Death penalty or not. Not interested in your views on Phil's views. Just your views on the death penalty. Is taking a life that way okay or not. Just curious. I suspect I know the answer, just hope I'm wrong and you are at least philosophically consistent.
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:52 PM
Phil, you couldn't be more wrong. What can I say? You are so angry and blind that you make up your own versions of things anyway. Then you expect others to defend themselves against the garbage accusations that you throw out there. Not me. I'll debate policy and ideas, but not interested in your nonsense. I don't know why you are so angry and bitter, but your posts are just so ridiculous sometimes. If expecting people (men and women) to act responsibly, and calling them out on it makes for a "War ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 7:26 AM
NTiger - I am pro-choice because I think there are valid reasons for abortion. I already listed those reasons. I believe that responsible actions would cut down abortions considerably. I think abortion should be an action of last resort. I'm also the father of 2 children, so I have an emotional response to the subject. But I'm not taking away your choices even though I may disagree with you.

Death Penalty - there is no evidence that the death penalty acts as a deterrent. As ours is not ...more
Nov 16, 12 7:45 AM appended by double standard
Holy too much coffee! Witness stand answers: Abortion - pro choice. Death Penalty - opposed. Two topics that make me wince when forced to answer simply as "yes" or "no."
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 7:45 AM
Double Standard, thank you for your response. Yes, difficult question on a number of different grounds. You have obviously given a great deal of thiught to your answer and your positions on those issues. Always nice to see rational thought, especially in these blogs. Sorry Imade you wince.
By NTiger (300), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 1:38 PM
Hey, NTiger, one gets the impression you favor a woman's right to choose. So do I. Did you know your friend Ken LaValle has a 100% rating from Pro Life Long Island, having voted their way eight out of eight times, and is also generally obstructive on women's health issues? This is the guy you felt should stay in the State Senate while you wanted his pro-choice challenger, Bridget Fleming, to lose and stay on the Southampton Town Board and run against Anna Throne-Holst next year.

Instead ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1202), Quiogue on Dec 4, 12 12:20 PM
Oh, for the Joy of living in such clear-cut worlds!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 5:05 AM
OK CHAMP, you truly put no value on life. Murder is wrong, period. Be it killing an innocent unborn person or a convicted criminal. Consistant at least.
As to ZZZZ man's blather about the most successful among us being "swine" and "elite" Uncle Joe Stalin, Karl Marx and Mao would have been proud. Well done Komrade!
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 15, 12 7:41 AM
Reading comprehension not your strong point, eh?

That statement was grammatically a POSSESIVE. That meant feeding the pigs of the wealthy.

How has someone like you achieved his station in life?
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:26 AM
How? By busting his ass every day, By sacrifice and hard work, By taking chances with his security.

And you mock the man? How dare you!

He is the patriot who pays through the nose in taxes and regulations so others can sit on there ass. and read Robert Robert Reich and that bitter sore loser Paul Krugmans
horse shat lies !

Grow up!
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 15, 12 9:37 AM
Grow up?

I will not tolerate being repeatedly mocked by him.

Sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?

Listen, I've got to get back to my seventy hour plus week now. Have a nice day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 10:13 AM
U.S. weekly jobless claims up to 439,000
Nov 15, 12 9:09 AM appended by joe hampton
Surprise! Jobless Claims Up 78,000 Week After Election; PA, OH Worst Hit The Department of Labor has announced that new jobless claims rose by a staggering 78,000 in the week after the election, reaching a seasonally-adjusted total of 439,000. Over the past year, and in the weeks leading up to the election, jobless claims were said to be declining, dipping as low as 339,000, with the media proclaiming they had reached the "lowest level in more than four years." Now, suddenly, the news is far less rosy.
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 15, 12 9:09 AM
Well, you can thank the nut job righties who think the sky is falling simply because Obama was re-elected. All the "Chicken Littles" will be exposed by the Fourth Estate. There already was a damaging piece about the owner of Papa John's, and calls to boycott corporations who are firing people simply because they are displeased that they weren't on the side that won.

It is ordinarily a petulant child who takes their bat and ball, and goes home when they can't handle losing.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 9:33 AM
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A long as you continue to spew Your class envy ZZZ man, you will be mocked, and often! Your views seem to come from some Marxist belief that the rich should have some of their wealth taken and given to those who have less. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
In our area TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS IS THE ENGINE THAT MAKES US SUCCESSFUL, IF YOU TAKER ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY. Gotta get back to work on one of the most beautiful properties on Gin Lane, may the rich get richer, a toast that I make when ...more
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 15, 12 12:30 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, in our area it seems to work in your sheltered little test tube of a world.

Across the rest of the country it's a dismal failure. 30 years of trickle down economics, and what do we have to show for it?

A massive recession, well over a third of the country on unemployment or some type of assistance, the highest degree of socio economic disparity in last 130 years, fraud across the board from deregulation, and that's just the tip of the iceberg in ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 15, 12 1:20 PM
To Joe Hampton, they call me, 27 dan, big fresh, razza,private america, please keep posting regularly for the next three years, as Phil, Mr. Z , HH and others couldn't do a better job in recruiting for the democrats. Your version of wishing and hoping that America is going to hell in a handbasket is typical of your anti-american behavior. Let me know how bad it is after this summer of DEEP pocketed tourists we had. This country with Obama is moving foward to solve problems. We are not reverting ...more
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:12 PM
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The morons you've listed are miserable ignoramuses who sit on their fat a**es and complain while others work proactively to make the country a better place. Teabaggers are racist fools who blame the world for their own shortcomings. They are the real entitlement society.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:46 PM
Ha Ha FOUR MO YEARS BABY!

GET ME ! GOOD!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Nov 15, 12 7:01 PM
Phil after being a card-carrying Republican since Gerald Ford, I have been a democrat since 2008.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:06 PM
Phil - you have zero ability to process info on a rational basis. It either flies 100% Right or 100% Left. While that seems to be convenient for you to make an argument, the fact remains that you base everything from a point of view that's extreme to either side, and not the view of any majority. Election results don't reflect 51% radical left vs 49% radical right regardless of how you process those numbers. I hope you understand that, though I'd guess you will not.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 8:13 AM
"Fellow Propagandists"
"Fanatics"
"Extremists"

His mind only knows 2 channels. I rest my case, your honor. No further questions.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:04 AM
Didn't need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then, girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:39 PM
Women as second class citizens, Jim Crow south, Whites only. Herbert Hoover led us into the worst depression in our country's history. I'll bet the Okies were glad that everyone pulled their own weight. That had to be a thrilling time for them being displaced with no one to help them. Yeah, those were the days! Like I said 27 dan don't change one bit and KEEP POSTING! Don't worry Latinos and gays aren't real americans so they're votes don't count. Women enjoy being treated like Edith Bunker. They're ...more
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 8:25 PM
I got no problem with Lateenoos hard working church going people. as for I could give a flying _ _ _ _ Dont feel sorry for no Okie fanokies if you live in a bad place move. Walk out on foot if you have to.care to try the real problem now? Its TAKERS LAZY TAKERS
Nov 15, 12 9:19 PM appended by 27dan
meant to say as for gays sorry I was on the phone when I typed that
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 9:19 PM
Great post, Mets fan.

Illustrating the irrationality well is the post just above at 9:09 AM, commenting on the rise in jobless claims, which were due to Sandy. All of a sudden, this is the fault of President Obama, who, to follow the "logic," must have therefore CAUSED Superstorm Sandy! What a mean man to have personally caused so much damage, which then caused a rise in jobless claims. [sarcasm etc., in case this is not obvious to some]

The joke is that the rogues gallery listed ...more
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 15, 12 6:41 PM
If all 47 million food stamp recipients voted for President Obama, it would account for 75.4 percent of Obama's 62.3 million votes.

Harry Hopkins, FDR's close adviser who ran the non-defunct Works Progress Administration (WPA), once described Roosevelt's strategy as "tax & tax, spend & spend, elect & elect." He believed that if Roosevelt put everyone on the federal payroll, either through aid or federal jobs, that Roosevelt would never lose. FDR won four presidential elections in a row ...more
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 16, 12 8:26 AM
Those Federal jobs built the TVA, Hoover Dam, the Eisenhower Interstate System, and countless other infrastructure projects, as well as maintenance and improvement.

You act like all those on unemployment never paid a dime into the system. The economy was destroyed long before Obama took office, and you will not fix in eight years, what took thirty years to destroy.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:45 PM
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The rise in unemployment numbers doesn't reflect Sandy----yet They do reflect the weakness of the economy, BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S ECONOMY. Your boy owns it.
As to the Demokrat win in the past election, when there's a party that gives and gives and gives to certain segments of society in return for their votes running against a party that esposes personal responsibility and hard work, the takers come out of the woodwork and vote to continue the free stuff. Sad times indeed. Gotta go to work ...more
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 16, 12 6:57 AM
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Bishop=Obama and Obama is nothing more than a socialist ideologue who is fully motivated to change the direction of this country towards European style socialist democracy. The debt is at 16 trillion dollars! How about making serious cuts and instead of creating yet another failed entitlement program, try BALANCING the budget!!!! There is no arguing this point. If you are against balancing the federal budget, then you are WRONG! The republicans pretend to act like they want to balance the budget, ...more
By louse pt. (107), springs on Nov 16, 12 7:07 AM
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Do you know what the colonists who founded this country held most dear? The egalitarian quality of their new society.

People who throw around the word Socialism like "WOLF!!" desecrate all this country was founded on. And, what this country was founded on sure as hell was NOT aristocracy, and socioeconomic disparity. The excesses, usurpations, and abuses by the aristocracy are what caused revolution. Start taxing the people who aren't creating jobs anyway, and especially those who pocketed ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 8:31 AM
I think you need a new history lesson. So you think the colonists who founded this country felt it was a good idea to tax everyone to pay down all of the debt that the GVt has accumulated even though the GVT continues to spend more. individual right, individual liberty, taxation without representation, and freedom frrom religious oppression are probably better reasons.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 16, 12 10:38 AM
No you moron. Penalize the people who broke their word, and lined their pockets with tax break dollars by not creating jobs.

Hey, look at my thumb...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 11:29 AM
Hostess going out of business; nearly 18,000 to be laid off


By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 16, 12 8:19 AM
I wonder how many of those poor people voted for card check ? Jimmy Hoffa, Andy Stern or Richard Trumpka they don't care about you, You people were just pawns in there game. You see we do not hate you folks that have bought into the government and union dependency scam. We are trying to make you see It is a dead end street. The legs cant hold up the table and in the end it will crash to the ground. Community and small business, You know "the one you didn't build"
In the end that is the only ...more
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 11:06 AM
Favorite parts:

What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price. These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:37 PM
I got to say you are a complete fool. You need to move to Cuba and see how socialism is working out. The problem is everyone wants everything cheaper, and doesn't care how it's done. I remember that you were talking about Altshuler shipping jobs offshore. He had that opportunity because it is too expensive to operate in this country. Dems want free medical, retirements and have made tons of red tape before you even open your business. How can you even fathon opening a business in the US? You want ...more
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 16, 12 5:32 PM
Well I guess those concessions you speak just were not big enough, so I hope they are happy they took the company down along with there jobs.I feel sorry for the good employees that did not want any part of this
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 6:34 PM
I'd bet that the parts are bought up and we'll still have our beloved Twinkies and some of the better sellers. Just a guess. That said, the bakers union will probably have to settle for a worse deal than what was offered by Hostess. Either that or they'll just bust the union. Sign of the times. You can't promise 3 if you only have 2. Unless of course you are running for president.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 16, 12 9:04 AM
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Hostess forced by into bankruptcy after striking workers failed to heed a Thursday deadline to return to work.The International Brotherhood of Teamsters did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press.
“We deeply regret the necessity of today’s decision, but we do not have the financial resources to weather an extended nationwide strike,” Hostess Brands will move promptly to lay off its 18,500-member workforce and focus on selling its assets to the highest bidders.”
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 16, 12 9:29 AM
Sounds familar with one exception. Twinkies are not worth bailing out with tax payer dollars but the auto industry is. Gvt must figure screw those workers this closing will result in lower health care costs. I must admit I did love there crumb cakes. We will see a lot more of this unless unions are willing to bend or interest rates climb. Unfortunately neither appears to be happening in the near future
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 16, 12 9:40 AM
You do know that the corporate system as it currently exists would be totally, and completely illegal under the laws and standards this country was founded upon, right?

Courtesy of Phil's research:

"Unfortunately however, for the past eight years management of the company has been in the hands of Wall Street investors, "restructuring experts", third-tier managers from other non-baking food companies and currently a "liquidation specialist". Six CEO’s in eight years, none ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 4:49 PM
Phil, please get back to us once that research is complete. I look forward to your unbiased analysis.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:06 AM
Benghazi Barry loves it , There are now 18,500 more dependent guaranteed votes for the cause. At this rate the 2014 elections will be just like last month. If they can just get control of the house... there plan will be complete and the constitution can be used for toilet paper at there next NYC art gallery extravaganza. You can burn it and lay it next to the cross in urine of the picture of Mary mother of God smeared with elephant feces. These people will stop at nothing less then total destruction ...more
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 16, 12 10:50 AM
And you don't like Taibbi?

Sounds like you completely ripped off his style with that paragraph.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 5:01 PM
Wow, This a Good one
Dems Ignore Rice's Record of Failure, Deem Her 'American Treasure'
Today, five Democratic Congresswomen attacked Republican criticism of U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice, who is reputedly Obama’s pick to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. They actually called her an "American treasure.”

Talk about living in an alternative universe, She was just caught perjuring herself to hide the facts in order to get the POTUS re elected on 4 separate ...more
By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 16, 12 11:21 AM
You do know that forswearing only occurs within a court of law, right?

As far as perjury, Romney and Bain Capital are expected to appear regarding charges related to eToys, including fraud, perjury, false SEC filings, and a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme.

Courtesy of Politicus USA:

There are hardly any human beings who have not had the feeling of disappointment following the failure of one’s expectations, and in most cases a person focuses primarily on the decisions ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 5:17 PM
Yeah, I do.

Now he can't appoint an AG who won't prosecute the eToys case.

Oh well...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:13 PM
It really is sad this is as far as society has come in the last seventy years.
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:54 PM
New Declaration of Independence --

Google "HappyPlace (dot) com AND Declaration New America" -- posted 11/14/12.

You can't make this stuff up!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 2:27 PM
Oh so you saw this finally, Secession movement begins a new American revolution . to you its funny to some of us it would be a dream come true.
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 16, 12 3:42 PM
With who in charge, the posters here?

Right!

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 4:42 PM
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By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 10:49 PM
Did job shipping Randy take the Lincoln Tunnel or the George Washington Bridge back to his home in New Jersey? Will he have to repay the Koch brothers for their support?

At least Randy conceded that his dirty campaign failed. He should talk to the grumpy right wingers Graham and McCain, who in a desperate attempt to make a big deal out of nothing, are trying to stop Ambassador Rice from becoming our next Secretary of State.

Poor John, once a respect war hero, now a fool wont accept ...more
By Steven (113), Westhampton on Nov 16, 12 5:23 PM
2002: Ten killed in consulate attack in Karachi, Pakistan
2004: Two killed in embassy bombing in Uzbekistan
2004: Gunmen kill 8 in attack on US consulate in Saudi Arabia
2006: One killed by gunmen at US embassy in Syria
2007: Grenade attack on US embassy in Athens
2008: Rioting crowds set fire to US embassy in Serbia
2008: Ten killed in bombing of US embassy in Yemen
2012: Four killed at US embassy in Bhengazi

Republicans are finally concerned with the safety ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:40 PM
As long as we can dream, there's a better world, right?
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 16, 12 9:58 PM
To bad the president has no idea of what is going on anywhere outside the White House. The man is a racist his whole team is composed of Blacks, and Hispanics. Mark this post next year will be 9% unemployment and 18 trillion in debt what a genius we elected. My favorite part of the whole elction is Blacks and minorites have higher unemployment, more high school drop outs, and wages have plummeted. They should thank Obama lol
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 17, 12 3:41 PM
Captncrunch, I hear you and your fellow baggers have been placed on the endangered species list. Keep fighting for relevance in a world that has already dismissed you.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Nov 16, 12 10:45 PM
Mr Z said in a statement on Friday at 4:37 PM
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor. Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price".

AFL-CIO president Richard Trumka said in a Friday statement.
"What’s happening with Hostess Brands is a microcosm of what’s wrong ...more
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 17, 12 12:00 AM
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My post began with the words "favorite parts" and a colon.

You really are dumb as a box of hammers aren't you?
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 17, 12 9:17 AM
The owners own and the workers work.
The owners call the shots, set the pay scale and determine productivity.
The workers can take it or leave it.
Seems like the gangsters that run the Teamsters decided to leave it.
Way to represent your dues paying members.
Unions have outlived their usefullness.
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 17, 12 7:33 AM
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Spoken like a true dictator.

Well, written in this case...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 17, 12 9:25 AM
Phil you should really research things before you throw up bogus information. First off the so called Wall St pirates lost close to 500 million dollars trying to keep Hostess alive. The price of power, gas, flour and everything else has gone up much faster than they could raise their prices. As far as workers being lucky they are in a union that is a crock of crap. The bakers union is a low wage low benefit union. They can get 99 weeks of unemployment or pay cobra payments, but this union can not ...more
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 17, 12 3:35 PM
Lets not kid ourselves it was the unions unwillingness to bend that killed it. Many things were put on the table. lower wages, an ESOP with a 25% stake in the company, changes in benefits and/or employee contributions but it was ultimately the pension that doomed them. Now everyone loses. And if you think those employees are getting their pension from hostess as promised you are nuts.
By razza5350 (1604), East Hampton on Nov 17, 12 11:02 PM
I thought this was well put:


It was Romney Vulture Capitalist Style Management that Killed Hostess, Not Unions

By: Rmuse November 17th, 2012


A scapegoat is a person or group made to bear the blame for another’s actions, and usually they are easy targets to assign blame for something they had nothing to do with. Republicans have attempted to blame union labor for much of the nation’s economic woes in recent years and, yesterday, the Hostess Brands ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 18, 12 6:33 PM
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Well isn't this just another example of what we are seeing throughout the country? Too few in management taking too much. Too many in labor expecting too much. When you have pulling in both directions things are guaranteed to snap. The shame of it all is things are mostly avoidable by way of compromise. Compromise seems to be a forgotten concept. That's really sad.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Nov 17, 12 9:58 AM
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The Atlantic has an even-handed article on this event: "Who's to Blame for the Hostess Bankruptcy: Wall Street, Unions, or Carbs?"
By highhatsize (2316), East Quogue on Nov 17, 12 1:01 PM
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By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 17, 12 7:12 PM
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By They call me (1199), southampton on Nov 17, 12 7:46 PM
The OWNER of a busness has the final say on compensation, not the employees. If you had a job you would know this.
If the company folds, the employees, union or not, they are out of a job.
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 17, 12 8:08 PM
Here's your "vuture capitalism" formula.

Find a target company. Borrow a ton of printed cash in the form of a "new loan". Pay the upper echelon, consultants, and "restructuring professionals" far more than handsomely with borrowed fiat currency. In this process, saddle the company with debt it cannot afford. Declare bandruptcy, stiff everyone involved except yourselves, and walk away with millions in income.

Repeat...
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 20, 12 6:32 AM
Nice try Z. The Hostess employess were making 20 dollars per hr in places like Kansas, and other mid west locations where the cost of living is super low. Plus the benefits, and other nonsense the unions demand. They were being paid three to four more dollars than the average employer pays. These are low skill to no skill jobs. How could they stay in business with these type of salaries? These workers can't replace these jobs at half the price in this economy. Let Obama shell out 18,000 unemployment ...more
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:28 AM
When you consider the CEO makes $1200 an hour, it really starts to look like peanuts doesn't it? Employee compensation for over 18,000 people was roughly 800 million. Their revenue for 2011 was approximately 2.5 BILLION. Looks like gross, and catastrophic management failure from here. These top notch jokers took 300% pay increases, while the company burned down around them. If you want to blame unions for management's gross incompetence, go right ahead. It's your freedom, and your right in ...more
By Mr. Z (6840), North Sea on Nov 20, 12 6:58 PM
Obamaclaus to the rescue!! Fear not Komrades, He will take care of you, the money will come from the dirty capitalists!! Time to throw somw more payback to those who re-elected Dear Leader.
ZZZZ , how many people are employed by the venture capitalists?? Don't those jobs count ?
By bigfresh (1423), north sea on Nov 20, 12 7:35 AM
Thats rights Chief1, they also only pay $00.29.9 for a gallon of gas in Kansas.Heaven forbid they should overcharge you for your Twinkies. Now go check out what the executives of the company paid themselves.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:38 AM
I did checkout what the executives were paid. The top ten were paid under 3 million combined , and the rest of the money was deferred compensation which is now gone due to the bankruptcy. You should learn how to read a financial statement before you spout off at the mouth. This isn't a civil service job where there are guarantees. By the way a medium house in this country is closer to 160k and probally less in most of the midwest. The private equity company lost 400 million dollars last year they ...more
By chief1 (1531), southampton on Nov 20, 12 7:57 AM
just do us a favor and STFU already.
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 20, 12 7:53 PM
joe, eat a local scallop for a change, there's your problem!

(And yes, I know your predictable response, that I can go shuck myself also!)

So much anger . . .

Have a good Thanksgiving.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 6:50 AM
Hey PBR I was playing around with the scallop thing..... take a pill. I am just getting tired of the way Phil engages in his slash and burn rebuttals to any facts he does not agree with. The class envy and disdain he shows for anyone successful. The prejudice and animosity he harbors . It gets old. That and the fact that I had a few cocktails ;)

Nov 21, 12 8:28 AM appended by joe hampton
Today there are more entitlement programs, more governmental pay-outs, more affirmative actions, more racial quotas, more reverse discrimination, more pay-backs, more class-action suits, more helping-hand efforts than ever before.but Phill keeps beating his occupy Wall Street drum
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 21, 12 8:28 AM
Anger, do you believe these hypocrites don't let them bait you in Joe.Just go back over the posts for the last year and tell us who has every other post removed PHIL thats who. Come on PBR tell us who else.Not B.F not Joe not me or Double Standard or Dan or Captain or Leon or Dnice or Chief of Razza nope JUST PHIL! and Local 84
"Phills comment has been removed once again because contains inappropriate content"
Oh but we are supposed to not notice that because poor Phil is a progressive ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (817), southampton on Nov 21, 12 9:38 AM
Hey PBR I was playing around with the scallop thing..... take a pill. I am just getting tired of the way Phil engages in his slash and burn rebuttals to any facts he does not agree with. The class envy and disdain he shows for anyone successful. The prejudice and animosity he harbors . It gets old. That and the fact that I had a few cocktails ;)
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 8:27 AM
You nailed it with the Class Envy thing He is very bitter toward anyone who has personal responsibility and has made something of themselves
By 27dan (1164), Southampton on Nov 21, 12 8:31 AM
It really is sad Dan... he spends allot of energy on envy and proclaiming social justice seems it could be put to better use.
and then the rest of the Trader Joe's crown actually defends his anti American rants.
Nov 21, 12 8:46 AM appended by joe hampton
crowd
By joe hampton (1989), south hampton on Nov 21, 12 8:46 AM