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Sandy Hook Tragedy Is Felt At East End Schools

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Virginia Garrison   Dec 17, 2012 11:09 AM
Dec 18, 2012 6:52 PM

East End schools opened Monday morning with flags at half staff and heavy hearts—the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, on Friday in which 20 children were killed, fresh on staff and students’ minds.

Concerns about how to protect children have spurred school district officials across the East End to look for ways to better prepare for a similar emergency. In East Hampton, School Superintendent Richard Burns sent a letter out to the school community announcing that the district’s safety procedures, which are normally reviewed at the start of each school year, “are being viewed again now with fresh eyes at all levels.”

Security has already been tightened up at East Hampton High School, where exterior doors are locked in addition to those within the vestibules, and security cameras will be trained on visitors, who must show identification, before they can be buzzed into the building. A breezeway between the science and art wings has been locked. An East Hampton Town Police officer, Matthew Rodriguez, was already on the premises during each school day.

Faculty and staff at the Montauk School, whose exterior doors are also locked, met on Monday afternoon to review and revise safety procedures, according to Grace Lightcap, the district clerk. Principal Jack Perna notified parents that he had spoken with East Hampton Town Police Chief Ed Ecker Jr. and Officer Kim Notel on Friday about safety plans at the school.

At the Springs School, which had security cameras installed inside and out over the summer, the front door has been locked, Principal Eric Casale said Monday. Springs administrators met on Friday with East Hampton Town Police Captain Michael Sarlo, who, Mr. Casale said in an email to parents, would continue to assist the school “with ongoing review of all our security procedures.”

“All districts are reviewing all of our safety plans,” said Eleanor Tritt, the Amagansett School superintendent, on Monday. Officer Notel visited that school on Monday; in the past, as at East Hampton High School, visitors have been buzzed in through an interior door after walking in through an open exterior one, Ms. Tritt said.

Captain Sarlo and East Hampton Village Police Chief Jerry Larsen both said that the Columbine shootings in 1999 had inspired changes in this area. An emergency services unit, which is essentially a SWAT team, was created to avoid having to wait for responders from the county, Chief Larsen said. Created in 2000, it has members from the East Hampton Town, East Hampton Village and Sag Harbor Village Police Departments, who are trained monthly in “all of the tactics and weapons ... to neutralize whatever is happening,” Chief Larsen said. He also said that the village police have a good relationship with the Town Police department, in whose jurisdiction lies East Hampton High School. The elementary and middle schools are protected by Village Police.

“I don’t think we’re immune to it happening here,” he said. “We’ve just got to do the best we can.”

Captain Sarlo said some parents had asked the police to send a couple of patrol cars to the schools, but that his department had decided that might be as alarming for some as it would be comforting for others. “We want to stay on the same page as the schools,” he said, adding that just a week before the Sandy Hook shootings he had reached out to school administrators to offer support in updating emergency plans, which the districts update annually. According to the captain, the schools furnish details about evacuation plans and classroom number systems, and responders do drills at the schools when there are no students there, to train in confronting “active shooters.”

Ultimately, it would be helpful to have uniformed patrol officers “show their faces in the school a little bit,” he said, both to get the kids acquainted with officers other than Matthew Rodriguez, at the high school, or Kim Notel, who travels between schools as a DARE officer, and to familiarize officers with the routines and everyday life when school is in session.

In Southampton Town, school superintendents, political leaders, police agencies and other first responders met at the Hampton Bays Middle School on Tuesday to discuss and better coordinate area-wide preparedness, according to Southampton School Superintendent Dr. J. Richard Boyes. Dr. Boyes said on Monday that each school principal will be meeting with their crisis teams to discuss responses to the tragedy based on need and developmental levels.

Sag Harbor Superintendent of Schools Dr. Carl Bonuso opened a regularly scheduled School Board meeting on Monday by noting that many in the community have been asking about the security in Sag Harbor. He said the district has safety plans in place, but will reevaluate them. He also said that in addition to security issues, the maladies behind such violence must be addressed before they “fester.”

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Gun Control Now! No more excuses, no more delays, no more political cowardice. They're killing our children, and as President Obama asks, "what choice do we have?"

It is time for an end to all the talk about finding the root causes, about armed citizens (the OK Corral syndrome), and about "guns don't kill people, people kill people" (not true, people with guns kill people). It's also time for an end to the phoney despair about no one measure being the whole answer -- you do what you ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1206), Quiogue on Dec 17, 12 12:29 PM
> I could argue that a "well regulated Militia" means
> only the Army Reserve and National Guard, and
> that the right to bear arms ends with them.

You could, but since it's already been decided by the Supreme Court, you would look out of touch and irrational.

> we have to do something about both certain types of people

I hope you are aware of how this sounds.

Regarding the carping you're attempting to fend off, of course you and a whole lot of others ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1312), Northampton on Dec 17, 12 3:40 PM
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Lanza "had the right to bear arms" ???

Mirror, phil, mirror!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 17, 12 5:10 PM
I have plenty of extra rope and some shovels you can borrow, phil, but I doubt if you can dig yourself out of this one.

My point, now that you have missed it at least a couple of times, is that your choice of words (and avatar, we all notice you have not changed it BTW) is incredibly boorish, insensitive and counter-productive to your alleged cause, at this time of deep hurt.

Was it not you who pleaded for compassion from others?

Sometimes the carrot works better than ...more
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 17, 12 6:29 PM
Mr. Wheeler, I think you choose to misread "certain types of people" in my post. Somehow I believe you know very well that by this term I mean people like psychotics and those who've been convicted of violent felonies, people like that, not people from the wrong side of the tracks, as you seem to imply. Cheap shot, Frank.

As far as gun control not having been one of my "regular issues," that's certainly true, but it doesn't detract one iota from the validity of what I'm saying now. ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1206), Quiogue on Dec 17, 12 8:23 PM
I didn't choose to misread anything -- I read, and quoted back to you, exactly what you wrote and asked you if you were aware of how it sounded.

It would appear that you are now aware of it even if you weren't when you wrote it, and I categorically deny that it was a "cheap shot." You wrote it, so own it and don't attempt to marginalize what I wrote as "some sort of stupid online game."

> "...but I'm still right."

How uncharacteristically Conservative of you, TB. Careful ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1312), Northampton on Dec 17, 12 10:45 PM
Haha and luckily for you we have the 1st amendment, j/k.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 11:00 PM
He stole the guns from his mother he didnt legally buy them.
By semperfi9263 (22), quogue on Dec 18, 12 11:37 AM
Should those who own guns legally be absolved of all legal responsibility for securing them Captain? Or should an owner who permits others to use their weapons be held responsible for actions committed with that gun whether through negligence or cooperation?
By VOS (673), WHB on Dec 18, 12 11:56 PM
Mr. Wheeler, you don't have to tell us you're not a lawyer. It's clear you don't know much about the law if you think challenging an existing decision, even one by the U.S. Supreme Court, is "out of touch and irrational." As just one example, ask the folks, many of them accomplished constitutional lawyers, who work hard to overturn Roe v. Wade. I disagree with them, but I'd hardly call them "out of touch and irrational."

You're not much of a reader of English, either, if what I'm supporting ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1206), Quiogue on Dec 19, 12 10:45 PM
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Forgot to mention, there are a few of us laboring to get a little decision called Citizens United v. FEC reversed, too. We may do it or we may not, but the point is, challenges happen, and they come from both right and left. One big one that succeeded was the 1954 reversal of Plessy v. Ferguson (separate but equal) by Brown v. Board of Education (no way).
By Turkey Bridge (1206), Quiogue on Dec 19, 12 10:52 PM
You are most certainly out of touch and irrational, TB, and this is nowhere more apparent than in your phraseology such as:

"I advocated denying certain types of firearms (say, assault rifles) to all people..."

While "assault" is a behavior rather than an object, the object you are referencing has been very heavily regulated since 1934, and nothing of the sort manufactured after May 1986 is permitted to be owned and registered to civilians.

"you and other responsible ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1312), Northampton on Dec 19, 12 11:47 PM
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Out of touch and irrational I may be, on any number of counts, but challenging a Supreme Court decision isn't one of them, and that's what generated your original accusation. (You keep losing the thread of this discussion, but I'll pick it up for you.)

Not only are you extending your original accusation beyond its parameters, but you're confusing my citation of Roe v. Wade with a comment on the merits, which it isn't. I only cited Roe and Plessy to show that these holdings do get questioned, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1206), Quiogue on Dec 20, 12 12:02 PM
I just want to start off by saying what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School was terrible and my heart goes out to both those precious students and those brave teachers.

I'd like to start out by telling you that you don't know what your talking about. I'll also go out on a limb here in assuming (it's a pretty good assumpion) by your rediculous statement your not affiliated to the supreme court in any way...Thankfully!

It's pretty sick that's the first thing you mention is ...more
By HamptonDave (4), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 8:57 PM
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By goldenrod (505), southampton on Dec 17, 12 1:05 PM
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Turkey Bridge, you are wrong to think that more gun control is the answer to this problem. How did it go with prohibition, or how about the war on drugs? They can't enforce the laws already on the books and you want more. Typical knee jerk reaction to a tragedy that brought us things like the Patriot Act and the TSA. Gun control on a federal level will go nowhere, despite your ideas of Obama using EO. This isn't a gun control problem. The kid was crazy and his mother allowed him access to ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 3:56 PM
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As I recall the United States convinced India to outlaw cannabis. Now the black market funds from the cannabis prohibition are a major financier to the heroin trafficking market.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 10:32 AM
Oh and it's not political cowardice, it's political survival.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 3:57 PM
More than 8,000 people were murdered via gun violence last year alone, down from over 11,000 in 2010. That puts us at #1 among "First World" nations, despite any "improvement". Not exactly something to be proud of being number one at. I don't know how many of those thousands were children, but one is too many.




State Total firearms murders, 2011
NO DATA FOR FLORIDA OR ALABAMA

United States 8,583

Alaska 16
Arizona 222
Arkansas 110 ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 17, 12 4:28 PM
Violence problem, not gun problem IMO. I wonder how many of those 8,000 were murdered by criminals with illegally obtained weapons. I would guess a very high percentage. How many were murdered in areas where they were not able to carry a firearm to protect themselves?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 5:13 PM
Do the words "escalation", or "nuclear proliferation" mean anything to you?
Dec 17, 12 6:18 PM appended by Mr. Z
Here's a re-print, in case you missed it: Dan I've got to make this quick, I need to get rolling this morning, but knives are one thing. Assault weapons and guns are another. I'm alot like "the Bat", I don't believe military grade weapons should be available to the general public. The NRA has opined that you should be able to own armor piercing bullets if you are a hunter. WHY? How many animals wear a bulletproof vest? I'm not saying outlaw guns, but at least blades require work and in the proper hands training and skill, not the simple, lazy squeeze of an index finger. China, or here, what you see is the result of frustration, vengeance, and a feeling of powerlessness. A firearm can give someone a false sense of superiority, and power. And in the wrong hands, well...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 17, 12 6:18 PM
No, but level playing field does.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 10:55 PM
Wonder how many of the the victims and how many of the murders were illegal aliens. This is important as it represent another adverse effect they're having on our society.
Dec 18, 12 2:06 AM appended by ICE
Curious VT with only 4 homicides is one of the 2 states that hold true to the Second Amendment.
By ICE (1200), Southampton on Dec 18, 12 2:06 AM
Truth be told ICE, I think a vastly smaller population and the mentality thereof have alot more to do with it. However, you do have a valid point about immigration considering California tops the list, followed by Texas. The thing with escalation is that when it's an "eye for an eye", everyone ends up blind.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 3:50 AM
Only problem is all those people are white, seems to me Phil is angry black man so maybe a George Jefferson Would be better
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 17, 12 4:43 PM
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You're right Phil, what was mom doing making her guns accessible to a child that was dangerous. I blame her. I own guns. All are locked up at all times.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 10:58 PM
I thought I already did?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 2:36 PM
Headline: After a 1996 Mass Shooting, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. It Hasn't Had a Similar Massacre Since.


On April 28, 1996, a gunman opened fire on tourists in a seaside resort in Port Arthur, Tasmania. By the time he was finished, he had killed 35 people and wounded 23 more. It was the worst mass murder in Australia’s history.


Twelve days later, Australia’s government did something remarkable. Led by newly elected conservative Prime Minister John ...more
Dec 17, 12 6:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
C'mon, refute the "Catch-22". "Make my day"...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 17, 12 6:30 PM
Mr Z - A 2008 study on the effects of the firearm buybacks by Wang-Sheng Lee and Sandy Suardi of Melbourne University's Melbourne Institute of Applied Economic and Social Research studied the data and concluded, "Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 2:41 PM
I have to give Phil credit on that one.

As the article states: There have been some contrarian studies about the decrease in gun violence in Australia, including a 2006 paper that argued the decline in gun-related homicides after Port Arthur was simply a continuation of trends already under way. But that paper’s methodology has been discredited, which is not surprising when you consider that its authors were affiliated with pro-gun groups. Other reports from gun advocates have similarly ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 8:17 PM
This Christmas we will have a record amount of people buying Call To Duty and other over the top violent video games. Will the East End districts send a letter home to warn parents of the dangers of these games? Nope they will just temporarily over react and all will be forgotten in a couple months. Do they warn parents on the dangers of Facebook and other social media used to bully students? Nope. Wake up parents of course we need to regulate semi automatic rifles but we also must watch our children
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 17, 12 8:43 PM
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Anyone that is politicizing this tragedy is sick...20 childtren died on friday along with 7 faculty. This isn't about banning guns or assault rifles or weapons, It's about a guy that went into a elementary school and committed a disturbing massacre of innocent children.

Philathrome you don't know what your talking about...The kids of Columbine didn't obtain their guns legally. The primary weapon used in Columbine was an "Assault Weapon" called a Tec-9 which was banned by the Fed assault ...more
By HamptonDave (4), Southampton on Dec 17, 12 9:19 PM
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Respectfully, it is not. Do you know how many law abiding citizens own guns without issue? You can't prevent crazy by gun legislation.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 10:54 PM
Apparently, Australia has managed to prevent "crazy" from getting their hands on them...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 3:24 AM
Not accurate Mr Z. There is no evidence to suggest that the 1996 Australian gun legislation had any effect on violent crime and the same holds true for England.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 2:30 PM
Survey says:

WRONG dnice.

Thank you for playing, and be wary of who does your research for you, as the article states.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 8:22 PM
Really I'm blinded by stupidity...Your said Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold aquired their guns legally...Do you have any idea how old you have to be to purchase a gun legally? NO...Don't worry I'll answer that for you...because you obviously don't know what your talking about...Those that sold them the weapons actually went to jail...Not sure if you knew that, but you are once again blinded by your hatred for guns. Do you know why they went to jail? NO?...Don't worry...I'll tell you...Is the suspence ...more
By HamptonDave (4), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 7:56 PM
Here are some disturbing statistics for this country

We have twice the teen pregnancy rate of Canada, four times the rate of Germany, and eight times the rate of Japan.

We are around 20th in Math, and Science in developed countries.

We have around 10,000 gun murders a year

We have 2 million people in prison

We perform 1.2 million abortions a year

We are the most indebted nation with over 16.5 trillion in debt.

We really do need to stop ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 18, 12 10:29 AM
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Chief,

You make some good points - and some of those stats are scary.

BUT, you can't lump everything together and say "because of a, we have b". It doesn't work that way.

Call of Duty Black Ops, for instance - has sold 25 MILLION copies to date. So, even assuming that the 4 mass shooters in the last 4 years played this game - that mean that 1:6,250,000 people who play that game ALSO are prone to mass killings. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that violent video ...more
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 12:46 PM
Nature, you should really check your facts. Do you really think the criminals in prison are merely pot smokers? lol They are drug dealers, killers, and thiefs so lets not candy coat our prison system. Why would anyone ever think that legalizing drugs is an answer to anything? The ending of prohibition has been a miserable failure. Not that I'm saying we should make alcohol illegal, but we live with the destruction of alcohol. Just because everyone that plays a video game isn't a murdere doesn't ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 18, 12 2:55 PM
Chief - what's the common denominator for all mass killings in the US?

Mental Illness. That's where the country needs to START with addressing the problem - not video games.

And I didn't say we should legalize pot to solve our problems - I was merely pointing out that the number of people in jail is skewed higher than in some other countries due to the high number of people in prison on marijuana (possession) charges (not dealing/drug related activity charges). You think all ...more
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 3:31 PM
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Phil - are you suggesting that people who are responsible for these acts are mentally balanced? There's no way anyone can commit these acts (and again, we are talking mass shootings - not murder/suicides) and not have a SERIOUS disconnect with reality.

How often do these occur and everyone that knew them say on the news that they aren't surprised? In recent history - the only one that sticks out in my mind that doesn't fit the same mold is the Fort Hood Massacre - though there's an ...more
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 6:48 PM
I just want to say that it would be smart for every police department to have their officers familiarize themselves with each school in their district. Even if it is after school hours so the children don't get scared. I think officers should know their way through the halls so they know exactly where they are going if they are called to respond to any incident. Whether it be a physical assault, or worse. It isn't the ultimate answer to solving gun violence in our country, but it could help to keep ...more
By unjustifiedjustice2 (25), East Quogue on Dec 18, 12 11:17 AM
A man in china died 22 people with a knife the same day. The air planes in 911 where taken over my box cutters not guns. Adding more gun control will not stop the violence people will find other ways to do it if the really want to. why doesn't this even happen in Texas they have 10x less violent crimes and burglaries because the crimes know every one and the mother has a gun on the which makes the crimes think twice.
By semperfi9263 (22), quogue on Dec 18, 12 11:34 AM
"a man died 22 people"??

actually, he didnt "kill" 22 people, he injured them - they all survived.

so bc people can find a way to harm or kill other than uns, the solution is to do nothing?
By tm (161), mtk on Dec 18, 12 12:01 PM
Ever hear of the tower shootings in Texas? Kind of like the first of many.
Please, do us a favor, I know I am a PITA when it comes to spelling and crap, but come on man! Your spelling and grammar really suck Read what you write before hitting the "submit" button.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 12:26 PM
I guess my question is, does the average citizen really need a semi automatic weapon? Most people on the east end use guns for hunting right? Do you really need a gun that shoots multiple rounds with one pull of the trigger? I do not begrudge anyone the right to own a gun. I just do not think that semi automatic weapons belong in the hands of Joe Citizen.

In Israel assault rifles are band except in certain areas where there may be a security risk and in those cases they are used for ...more
By pstevens (400), Wilmington on Dec 18, 12 1:09 PM
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pstevens, you do realize that the creation of the second amendment had nothing to do with hunting, right? It was so we could protect ourselves from a tyrannical gov't.

By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 2:36 PM
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A gun that shoots multiple rounds with a single trigger pull is an automatic weapon. Those are already banned. Semi automatic means you pull the trigger once for each round to fire.
By bubby (215), southampton on Dec 18, 12 2:50 PM
“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” (1791)...we have the USCG, the ANG, the Army, the Navy, the Marines...I'd say more than a well regulated Militia...and we do not live in a war zone..so again why would someone need a semi automatic weapon? Oh and from what some of my friends who know a lot more than I do about guns tell me, you can get a semi automatic rifle to behave like ...more
By pstevens (400), Wilmington on Dec 18, 12 4:23 PM
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I was just correcting her notion of what an automatic weapon it's.
By bubby (215), southampton on Dec 18, 12 5:31 PM
Not by definition Phil but I understand your point. This was horrendous; worst tragedy of my lifetime, but we don't make ourselves any safer by stripping us of more of our rights. We let our guard down after 9-11 and got the Patriot Act as a result. We need to be unemotional and try to figure out a way to make people safer. I just don't agree that taking away or limiting guns achieves that without putting law abiding citizens at greater risk.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 5:58 PM
pstevens, we can do lots of illegal things if we know what we are doing. oh, and a large percentage of modern firearms are semi auto. Doesn't make them any more or less dangerous.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 6:02 PM
Phil, please. Now you are being irrational. Should someone take away my car because some moron doesn't have the common sense to call a taxi when he has to much to drink? Gun Control does not work. Stop trying to act like you are the smartest person on the board.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 7:01 PM
I'm all for preventing these tragedies, but more gun control measures are not the answer. Please stop trying to bait me with loaded questions. It is not an either/or question.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 7:39 PM
Your willing to let abortion continue
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 18, 12 9:56 PM
thats my point!!!! why do everyday citizens need semi automatic weapons?
By pstevens (400), Wilmington on Dec 19, 12 11:17 AM
Is it any surprise that these cowards go on shooting sprees in "gun free zones"?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 2:45 PM
No, people should fight for their rights.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 7:02 PM
Most people are just scared of guns and think if you ban them, or at least the "dangerous" ones, all will be well. Even people who are otherwise intelligent buy into this. It is just so easy, and then, there you are - you have solved the problem!

Psychologists know that humans greatly over estimate the risk and danger of rare but horrific events and consequently overreact to them. This includes events like mass shootings and plane crashes. This is especially true when those events have ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 7:55 PM
Yes, that is probably the reason.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 8:37 PM
Is it any surprise that not one of these mass muderers has ever been taken out by an NRA zealot?

Be wary of who does your research for you. Australia has been quite successful, and has not had a mass murder in over fifteen years.

Military grade weapons should not be available to the general public, unless they are rented, and then returned to the gun club locker.

End of line.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 8:20 PM
BINGO!
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 18, 12 9:57 PM
Mr Z, the reason no "NRA zealot" has taken them out is because they occur in gun free zones. Only people allowed to have guns are criminals and the crazy.

I do my own research, as do you.

What is your definition of "military grade"?. I can list dozens of weapons that are non military that would have been equally potent as the ones he used. Bolt action hunting rifles,lever action rifles, shotguns, revolvers. Even small caliber .22 rifles( consequently the caliber that might ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 8:36 PM
Maybe we should leave the description at semi-automatic, full automatic, with magazines capable of more than six rounds?

If you need more than six bullets, maybe a gun is not for you.
Dec 18, 12 9:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, most of the time one bullet is all it takes.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 9:47 PM
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By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 18, 12 9:23 PM
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Escalation.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 9:45 PM
Good point about the pilots Cap. I do think that passengers are more aware as well and would not allow a repeat of 9-11 to occur. I believe the same would hold true if more citizens were armed and trained properly.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 9:57 PM
Mr Z, what do you mean by escalation?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 9:49 PM
Who do we arm next?

Six year olds, or just the teachers...
Dec 18, 12 9:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
I recalled a line from "Coming to America" today. "If you have no more money, you can cause no more mischief." If you have no more high capacity semi/full automatic weapons in the public hands...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 9:59 PM
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I would prefer to see schools fortify their access and security(sad but necessary). I have to be buzzed into my kid's school but the front doors are made mostly out of unfortified glass, would be easy to smash and enter. Don't know how I feel about arming teachers, even if they volunteered for it. It is kind of unprecedented. I have studied enough on the subject of gun control over the years to feel certain that tougher laws will have little impact. You can't legislate morality or personal ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 18, 12 10:12 PM
Hey Cap, go arm a bear.

Happy hunting!!!
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 11:00 PM
Secure doors. Metal detectors. Secure glass.

Seems to me some freedoms are being forgotten, like to be free not to live in fear, in lieu of hiding behind a living document which does not endorse individual gun ownership, but does endorse the stockpiling of arms to supplement the needs of a militia on notice.

To quote Denis Leary: "Only in America would there be a guy cocaine wasn't good enough for."
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 18, 12 11:07 PM
The Supreme Court has also upheld segregation, slavery, and corporate personhood.

Next...
Dec 19, 12 6:28 AM appended by Mr. Z
And I might add that when the Second Amendment was drafted muskets were the weapon of choice. One shot, have fun reloading...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 19, 12 6:28 AM
Glad to see y'all settled this in an amicable manner. We can all breathe easier now.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 19, 12 2:41 AM
Why do we need assault weapons? What purpose do they serve?
I'm not being sarcastic or hiding a motive. I just want to know why someone outside of law enforcement or the military would need an assault rifle.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 19, 12 2:18 PM
Personal protection from criminals and crazies, nothing more.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 19, 12 7:14 PM
Well if a bad guy entered the house, would I have my AR-15 at my bedside and loaded, or would it be in a safe. If it's the latter then the bad guy isn't going to wait for me to arm myself. If it's the former, that's pretty crazy. Wouldn't an alarm on the house be better than a gun in a safe? Are the chances of your gun being used to defend yourself greater than your gun be stolen? (I don't know the stats)
I can't make a case for assault rifles. In the wrongs hands they are nothing but instruments ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 20, 12 4:56 PM
"Being neccessary to the seurity of a FREE STATE" . Seems as if the Founders in their wisdom foresaw the possibility of the government becoming overbearing and abusive of the citizens' rights and the "well regulated militia" would be a check against that abuse. If the situation arose , high capacity magazines would be a lot betterfor selfe defense than a 6 shot revolver. The Connecticut shooting tragedy ould have been avoided if the mother had her weapons properly secured, especially with a mentally ...more
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 20, 12 8:22 AM
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I don't think a militia would stand a chance regardless of weapon. Knowing that some gun owners aren't responsible (ie. and tragically Mrs. Lanza) doesn't it stand to reason that the better solution is to limit the fire power irresponsible people can possess?
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 20, 12 4:13 PM
Yes doublestandard, but trying to define "irresponsible" is the key and will prove to be the obstacle.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 20, 12 6:08 PM
So, Big Fresh, how do you feel about legislation requiring all weapons to be properly secured by making the registered owner culpable in any crime committed with their weapon through their negligence in securing it? How about background checks for all transactions, commercial or private? Is the weapon any less lethal if sold privately? Should all states be required to fully supply background information for all residents or is there somehow a difference in dangerous people across state lines? ...more
By VOS (673), WHB on Dec 20, 12 11:59 PM
dnice - my point is if we can't assume 100% of gun owners are responsible then we have to assume the risk of the wrong people getting their hands on these guns. Assuming that risk, it is wise to limit the fire power available. ie. the risk of a lunatic getting his hands on an AR-15 is greater than zero, so AR-15 shouldn't be available to the public. One can argue that there are a number of products that are dangerous, and this is true. The difference being AR-15's and there like are designed specifically ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 21, 12 11:51 AM
"The difference being AR-15's and there like are designed specifically to kill efficiently" What complete, uninformed nonsense. Surely you have watched too many movies. The AR-15 is no more "efficient" than any other rifle. They all fire high speed projectiles. This distortion is a result of the creators of the AWB. They decided to define what would be an "assault weapon". When the category of “assault weapon” had finally been conjured into being, all of its included firearms together ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 12 3:33 PM
Efficiently in terms of rate of fire and capacity. Again, I don't know why civilians need semi and fully automatic weapons. I don't see the need for them. I'm just expressing an opinion. I have a feeling that these weapons will not be available very much longer. That's the small part of the equation though. You can limit the tools, but it's the motive that's harder to control. I don't want to argue. Merry Christmas.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 21, 12 5:59 PM
Merry X-mas to you as well.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 12 6:10 PM
1-yes
2-yes
3-no
4-no
5-absolutely not
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 21, 12 8:13 AM
Somebody please count the needless child deaths from drunk driving. If anything should be illegal it is drinking.
Oh but that would result in responsible people who drink would have something taken away though they did nothing wrong. Even if it would save thousands of innocent lives.
PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Two faced losers. Yes wine counts!!
By double-D (96), southampton on Dec 21, 12 8:34 AM
Current events quiz

(A) When someone goes off the deep end they enter classrooms and movie theaters with assault weapons and inflict unimaginable damage.
(B) When someone goes off the deep end they get drunk and drive their car through classrooms and movie theaters.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 21, 12 11:55 AM
Don,t isolate the situation. Lets count deaths. how many innocent children were killed by alchohol related incidents in 2012? How many were shot with assault rifles?
Even worse alchohol related deaths are at the hands of "normal people". Soccer moms killing car loads just isn't quite enough eh?
Oh by the way. If you check out resent news from China you know that a knife wielding crazed man murdered multiple children that same day.Do we get rid of all knives?
I hope you agree that ...more
By double-D (96), southampton on Dec 21, 12 12:12 PM
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My kind? What is my kind? People that see assault rifles as an unnecessary, far too dangerous product. Are you a gun owner? Do you own an assault weapon? Reason I ask is if you are, then perhaps the "your kind" label fits you better than it does me. You are arguing alcohol related automobile deaths in response to the question of whether assault weapons should be outlawed. That's a deflection. Answer this - for what reason does anyone outside of law enforcement need an assault weapon? Are you deer ...more
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 21, 12 12:38 PM
Great response by the NRA!

Armed guards in schools.

Escalate, escalate, escalate!

You can't make this stuff up.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 2:05 PM
I assume the NRA took a hit today.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 12 3:43 PM
I think you left out the letter "s" on one of those words.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 21, 12 4:02 PM
Haha
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 21, 12 5:38 PM
No hit, blank!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 6:02 PM
The other article has a good thread going BTW.

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/448525/In-Wake-of-Sandy-Hook-Massacre-Bishop-Says-Congress-Must-Seriously-Address-Gun-Control?message=posted
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 21, 12 6:03 PM
10,288 people killed at the hands of alchohol. Nothing"good" about that thread.
By double-D (96), southampton on Dec 22, 12 8:45 AM
Oh and thats just 2010. 67% drivers 27% passengers 6% CHILDREN. Keep ignoring the real problem.
Your all so willing tp take from others while you offer nothing. Typical.
By double-D (96), southampton on Dec 22, 12 8:47 AM
So the logic is - as long as there are alcohol related deaths in the USA, I get to have my semi-auto weapon.
Noted.
By double standard (1451), Remsenburg on Dec 22, 12 10:41 AM
Yup. Logic approved by NRA Mr. LaPierre.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 22, 12 10:50 AM
God point double d. Don't forget accidental drownings and poisoning which greatly outnumber mass shootings.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 12 9:23 AM
Not sure if DD expected to be canonized for his comment ("God point" :) ), but the NRA solution would work here too!

Drownings and poisonings could be reduced if we ad an armed guard at each and every pool, river, stream, lake, ocean and bay beach, bathtub etc. in every country in the world.

Plus at every medicine cabinet and under the kitchen sinks all over.

An armed guard everywhere !!!

Thank you NRA for the frank incense and mirth!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 22, 12 9:55 AM
PS – Have a God weekend!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 22, 12 9:59 AM
Great argument PBR, nothing like going to extremes.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 22, 12 12:55 PM
Not to mention the cost and logistics of training the multitude of NEW armed personnel, and the payroll and legacy benefits to which they would be entitled.

if only for this reason the NRA proposal is shockingly naive among other things.

By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 22, 12 1:08 PM
Ive got a reason for owning an "assault weapon" right here, remember the first Sandy tragedy? Yeah, the storm, where were the police in the Rockaways? We do have Police and they are there, until they aren't. Remember the Rockaway signs saying "WE NEED FOOD, WATER and GUNS!"
Yeah how soon we forget... Our police claim to be and often it would seem that they are spread too thin, throw any type of disaster of crisis and then what? Guess it'll be better if just the criminals are armed to the teeth.
Dec 24, 12 10:43 AM appended by ICE
Or crisis.... Merry Christmas and a Happy "Assault Rifl"
By ICE (1200), Southampton on Dec 24, 12 10:43 AM
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Ice,
Do tell. Can you tell us a bout a single incident where an unarmed person was attacked post Sanday, and how an assault weapon would have changed things? The stolen flat screen that was useless anyway isnt worth a human life, criminal or otherwise.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 12 10:55 AM
YOU WILL NEVER GET OUR GUNS . DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORD NEVER! SO KEEP WASTING YOUR TIME.
You may have won the election by bribing the unions,scaring the old people,mobilizing the gays and brain washing the students.but the ONLY way you get our guns is to pry it from our cold dead hands! Now everyone but Phil please have a safe and pleasant CHRISTMAS!
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 24, 12 3:18 PM
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Seriously?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 24, 12 8:28 PM
Ya seriously, You got a problem with our right to protect our family's too Z. The ND amendment is a reality so if you have a problem with the constitution than go on the recored.You saw what happened during the storm people fighting and pulling weapons out over gas. No picture something really bad like a dirty bomb going off in Manhattan. Picture all those desperate and crazed people coming here from the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn. for your food and whatever else they can loot. ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 25, 12 1:58 AM
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I just hope that your mentally unstable nephew, friend or other person that has access does not have a bad day and infringes on someones elses rights by killing them with your gun....or maybe even you for that matter.
Lets just keep our fingers crossed and pray that that does not happen.
Merry Christmas.
By SHNative (546), Southampton on Dec 25, 12 9:22 AM
Whats it like, It is a wonderful feeling to know the republic stands and you progresive / socialists cant do a thing about it.

Thats what it's like.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 25, 12 2:57 PM
Actually I was referring to the off the chart level of vitriol Cap.

But, thanks for playing...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 26, 12 3:14 AM
You're a sick man.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 12 3:25 PM
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How do you figure.
Dec 24, 12 4:17 PM appended by 27dan
I am glad someone had the balls to say it. I guess you don't like the constitution just like Philathome
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 24, 12 4:17 PM
Why do you guys even bother arguing with him. Just ignore him and have a stress free 27east experience. If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does Phil make a sound?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 24, 12 4:17 PM
Freedom, and anarchy are two different things.

The Roman orator Cicero once opined: "Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus."

Or: " We are slaves of the law in order that we may be able to be free."

Merry Christmas.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 24, 12 8:32 PM
Peace on Earth.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 25, 12 7:30 AM
Make peace not war , Be prepared for both!

Merry Christmas
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 25, 12 2:50 PM
Phil wants you to belive Americans want gun control. Guess in a way he is right we want to control our own guns not have the government do it!

By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 25, 12 3:55 PM
A poll conducted on behalf of the Daily Kos and the SEIU Phil? Really? And how is the position of 1,000 left wing extremists relevant to this conversation?
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 26, 12 8:08 AM
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I have not laughed so hard in years, that rebuttal picture is truly priceless.It was the best Cristmas gift yet. LOL

Nice job TCM and truly hilarious.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 26, 12 1:01 PM
I have never owned a gun nor ever had a need for one. But if you try to take guns from this country you will see a civil war from nutty gun owners.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 26, 12 1:59 PM
Bring it
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Dec 26, 12 4:42 PM
More money for mental health? hahahaha The liberal ACLU made us close mental health facilities three decades ago.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 26, 12 6:40 PM
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By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:08 PM
and over 250 hypocritical self serving and asinine comments by you
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 27, 12 12:47 AM
Once again Phil, you prove that you are the champion of murdering the innocent in utero, congratulations! You defend a woman's "right" to kill her unborn baby for convenience, but are against someone's constitutional right to own a high caliber semi-automatic weapon. Truly evil and without a conscience Champ.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 27, 12 7:24 AM
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You mean right to murder
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 27, 12 10:27 AM
Uhh No, thats not what I read, Seems to me they call me was talking about an ugly ugly practice of convenience. Murder disguised as a LOL Health choice. Then wrapped up neatly so everyone can go back about there business.
The kids who make this bad "choice" I feel sorry for becuse it is always mommy telling them its the right thing to do. but if you are over 21 you should be ASHAMED to suport such a barbaric thing as abortion!And if you are under 21 it is still YOUR choice not your mothers
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 27, 12 11:03 AM
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By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 27, 12 10:56 AM
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By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Dec 27, 12 2:02 PM
yah baby you no it, Yes We Did !
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Dec 27, 12 3:18 PM
Phil i cannot help but notice your ability to provide bucket loads of info on most topics. How about giving alchohol related incidents a go.
Over 11,000 deaths in 2012 at the hands of legal poison. Ther is a good start. Maybe you can take it from here. Or not.
By double-D (96), southampton on Dec 27, 12 11:45 AM
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McConnell responded to reports today that B.H.O. called him and other leaders to update negotiations to avoid the Jan. 1 "fiscal cliff" by noting that it was the "first time he has heard from any Democrat, including the B.H.O., on this since Thanksgiving, Disgusting!
UD, When the financial collapse arrives, they will have no idea what happened indeed!
US DEBT CLOCK -16,410,403,914,833
They don't want to have any idea all they want to do is blame the rich. Taxing the rich will be ...more
Dec 27, 12 1:47 PM appended by 27dan
Funny, I choose the wrong file from the list on my hard drive, Drivel? have you ever stopped to look back at what you post. Comrade
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 1:47 PM
So how long, in your opinion, will it be until your boy Barry is responsible for the economy, or ANYTHING ELSE for that matter CHAMP??
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 27, 12 4:27 PM
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Give it up Phil. He'll never cop to the last thirty years it took to get us where we are today. He'll never cop to the fact that uncontrolled, unregulated securitization, and "financial innovation" thrust millions into poverty who otherwise would not be. He'll never realize the "blood on his hands" by proxy for participating, and backing the pathetic circus that destroyed our economy.

"The end of Democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 27, 12 5:38 PM
Great quote by TJ, Mr. Z.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 27, 12 9:39 PM
Dats right he is my boy
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Dec 28, 12 1:55 AM
Some ot you are fortunate the Sedition Act of 1798 expired in 1801.

Definition of offence: To write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done, or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious writing against the government of the United States, or either House of Congress, or the President, with intent to defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute, or to excite against either the hatred of the people of the United States, or to stir up sedition, or to excite unlawful ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 27, 12 6:49 PM
OVER THE CLIFF WE GO!
Obama's gain is America's loss. It won't stop until the Socialist from parts unknown is done “fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”

$ 16,410,707,914,833 . and taxing the rich will NOT!
put a dent in it .

Captain and Dan have it right we need entitlement reform and fast!
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 28, 12 2:20 AM
Little bit of class envy there CHAMP?
What's the solution for the current economic situation?Does it involve deep spending cuts? Only more taxes? Come on Champ, enough Huffington Puffington Post talking points, how about some ideas of your own.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 28, 12 7:17 AM
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OK Champ, raising taxes 100% on "the rich" will fund the bloated beaurocracy for 8 whole days. How about some spending cuts to actually help bring the budget into the realm of sanity?, oh wait, there hasn't been a federal budget since the Obama Regime took power.
How about a 5% cut across the board with a 2% yearly cut for the next 10 years. No more baseline budgetting.
That would be a start, we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 28, 12 8:10 AM
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Even if we raise taxes to the Clinton era we only raise 60 billion dollars! We need to cut spending. How do we do that? The govt spends 1.2 trillion more than we collect. Basically borrowing 50 cents of every dollar we spend. I know your answer is George Bush caused this, but ask yourself why hasn't the Senate or Obama ever had a budget. Both sides are a joke.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 28, 12 10:28 AM
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Raising taxes back to Clinton-era rates on individual income earned over $200,000 a year and couples earning more than $250,000 nets about $1 trillion in total over the next decade.
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Dec 28, 12 10:34 AM
Dag,will taxing the successful make you and the little boy man Philly feel better,1 Trillion over the next decade your boy spent that every 6 months. You guys really are blind jealous ideological fools.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 28, 12 6:20 PM
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 28, 12 7:24 PM
How about no more unfunded wars, no more bailing out failure in any industry, and no more of the"Twinkie" culture where the people pay for the excessive rewards of the executive class' failures, and golden parachutes.

A wise man once opined: "why is it only class warfare when we fight back against the new modern feudalism/new aristocracy?".

By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 28, 12 9:13 AM
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Hope you know Chinese, Fool
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 28, 12 6:21 PM
you no it brother Zman! at the heart of a revolutionary is the desire to change the world, to see the old order be torn away for something betta, more human, based on making sure everyone in society is provided fo
The only way to begin to address a tragedy like this massacer at Sandy Hook is two address its fundamental problems that exist. In the final analysis, it is the capitalist system that is to blame. As long as its exists, the lives of children are at risk, whether it be from violence, ...more
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Dec 28, 12 7:41 PM
Some valid points there, but you need to remember is that there's nothing truly wrong with Capitalism, unless the "checks and balances" on the law books which save it from itself are eliminated.

And Cappie, China is REALLY good at Currency War...
Dec 28, 12 8:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
A friend of mine did some "creative math", and these were his results from some inflated costs these days: "In 2000, a year's tuition at Pitt cost $6200. Today it's $17,000. If professors made $50,000 back then, shouldn't they be making $137,000 today? They're not. In 2000, a gallon of gasoline cost $1.35. Today it's $3.65. If gas station attendants made $8.50/hr back then, shouldn't they be making $23.00/hr today? They're not. In 2000, a movie ticket cost $6.50. Today they're $11.00. Are theater workers earning 1.7x what they did back then? Nope. So then where is all that extra revenue going? That's right, directly into the pockets of CEOs, shareholders and financial executives. Since 2000, the top 1% has seen their wealth double. The top 0.1% has quadrupled. Meanwhile the 80-95% has remained stagnant, and the bottom 80% has gotten poorer because all that money is being sucked upward and the so-called "trickle down" faucet has been completely shut off. People are going deeper into debt to credit cards, personal loans and second mortgages to get by. Soon this greed is going to completely suffocate the economy. People will no longer have any money to spend. Credit will be shut off to people who can't pay. And there will be a correction. Oh, there will be a correction. And the wealthy sitting in their castles had better plan on moving out of the country, because people will not go hungry voluntarily. It'll get ugly. Very ugly."
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 28, 12 8:29 PM
Forgotten Benefactor of Humanity

Norman Borlaug, the agronomist whose discoveries sparked the Green Revolution, has saved literally millions of lives, yet he is hardly a household name.

By Gregg Easterbrook

AMERICA has three living winners of the Nobel Peace Prize, two universally renowned and the other so little celebrated that not one person in a hundred would be likely to pick his face out of a police lineup, or even recognize his name. The universally known recipients ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 28, 12 10:07 PM
I noticed a part of this comment on the front page, and read more about Norman Borlaug on the net.

Amazing, thanks for posting this.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Dec 28, 12 10:54 PM
~Snicker~
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 29, 12 12:00 AM
"...passed up every opportunity to parley his award into riches or personal distinction."

I know I'll probably regret asking, but what pray tell do you find amusing, joe?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 29, 12 2:07 PM
Phil = Schadenfreude
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 28, 12 1:30 PM
"Sweeping one-sized-fits-all legislation, of the kind that power-hungry Washington politicians prefer to pass, is not the answer to the age-old problem of why in rare cases mentally disturbed individuals take out their anger on innocent people using deadly means. There are unintended and possibly even fatal consequences for Congress tightening gun laws that dangerous criminals already ignore."
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 28, 12 4:30 PM
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Ditto. Have a good weekend, all.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 28, 12 4:43 PM
Phil = Schadenfreude

Truest thing ever posted to 27 East!
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 28, 12 6:32 PM
The NRA has been a bulwark for freedom on the gun issue. The Second Amendment is the true teeth behind all of our rights, and Phil knows it.

If the leftist progressive elites manage to confiscate guns, freedom of speech and freedom of religion will be gone within a decade (or sooner), because there will be no way for the citizenry to defend itself against the onslaught of governmental abuses of regulatory power.

Dec 28, 12 8:59 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE / ABORTIONS KILL PEOPLE
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 28, 12 8:59 PM
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People kill, although they choose different tools for their tasks.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Dec 29, 12 5:16 AM
I agree yet Phil says 227 people have been murdered since Sandy hook I would venture to say two thirds of them were criminals and dirt bags NOW PBR in stark contrast
There were roughly 1.2 million abortions performed last year and the abortion rate was 20 per 1,000 women aged 15–44. Put differently, about 2% of American women aged 15–44 had an abortion that year.
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By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 29, 12 10:59 AM
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Chicago just had its 500th homicide this year, 87.5 % of wich were gun related and this in a city with some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. How do you account for the staggering rates of gun violence in Chicago compared to other areas that do not have such strict gun laws and experience less gun violence?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 28, 12 9:46 PM
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Black market?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 30, 12 10:13 AM
WOW...Let's say that for arguments sake we ban ALL guns today. That leaves us with approx. 350,000,000 guns in American hands. I hate to break it to you, but guns aren't going anywhere. Do you really think that the government that can't keep illegal people out of our country is going to be able to take 350,000,000 guns away from its citizens?
By cmac (74), East Quogue on Dec 28, 12 9:52 PM
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Oliver Stone to RT: ‘US has become an Orwellian state’ 28 December,
Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.
­Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 29, 12 12:09 AM
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 29, 12 4:21 PM
Wow, That explains someone we know to a freaking T. To Funny! So I guess the take away is as Dnice has suggested. We should be trying to ignore people like this. When we are appalled by this kind of behavior They gain some sort of sadistic high. Wow. Sick little puppies huh. and people like this have jobs like teaching communication skills to our children in our schools , Scary stuff.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 29, 12 4:49 PM
How is it that schools must put students into college so they can come out 4 or more years later with MAJOR 6 figure debt and not a hope for a job prospect? can this economy support these students? Of course not. My option and only mine is that kids need to go to school to gain functional jobs, ie. nurisng, dental hygentist, home heath aids, etc. all jobs needed in every community. These kids going for "liberal arts" etc. are wasting their money as these courses will have no bearing on a future ...more
By xtiego (335), bridgehampton on Dec 29, 12 6:04 PM
No offense, just the wrong thread.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 29, 12 6:21 PM
Way to go CHAMP, lament the 270 gun deaths, but applaud the millions of innocents killed by abortionists, mostly for the woman's convenience. You would have made a great guard at Auschwitz
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 30, 12 8:39 AM
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8 weeks.

Nice polemics, by the way...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 30, 12 10:12 AM
Big Red 47,726 baby's have been murdered since Sandy Hook Maybe 2% for a legitimate reason.No one is protesting the cases where it save the mothers life. Just the ones done out of self centered convenience. If any women did this you are forgiven in this culture of no responsibility but only if you stop the madness and now realize the horror of the action.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 30, 12 11:06 AM
Great word Z
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 30, 12 2:54 PM
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I agree on the polemics I think people are finally and collectively agreeing Phil's point of view is hypocritical and purely ideological bordering on narcissistic insanity
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 30, 12 11:20 AM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 30, 12 2:49 PM
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Abortion is MURDER Red
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 30, 12 1:43 PM
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The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is the part of the U.S. Bill of Rights that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It was adopted on Dec. 15, 1791, and part of the Bill of Rights. In 2008 & 2010, the Sup. Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Sec. Amend. In Dist. of Columbia v. Heller,), the Court ruled that the Sec. Amend. protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 30, 12 4:54 PM
to use that arm for traditionally LAWFUL purposes, such as self-defense and as a check against the onslaught of governmental abuses of regulatory power. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Sec. Amend. In McDonald v. Chicago, (2010), the Court ruled that the Sec. Amend. limits state and local Gov. to the same extent that it LIMITS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 30, 12 5:07 PM
I love my country. At least the parts that still resemble the America I have worked hard to preserve the rights many of my friends have died protecting. Upstanding men still have the right to protect what is rightfully theirs! Should the day come to stand up again for our liberties, weather from foreign invasion or our own political class.
You better believe I will be there. I hope with all of my brothers. to Protect our family's, our property rights and our constitution









By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 30, 12 5:37 PM
And god forbid that day ever comes,
but with a $ 16,410,707,914,833 national debt and no sign of entitlement cuts on the near horizon. it's not hard to imagine such a day in the near future
and on that day!
Without semi autos we will be at a sever disadvantage! to protect or family's and our rights!
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 30, 12 5:44 PM
Just ring that bell my friend and we will be there!

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the "REPUBLIC" for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 30, 12 6:15 PM
Has it occurred to you that "entitlements" may not be the problem?

Have you bothered to correlate how the insane increases in the cost of medical care have driven the increase in what percentage of the budget these programs require?

No?

I didn't think so. You may want to look a little more closely at who exactly is "on the teat". You may find that the vast majority of costs goes to salaries, not actual "care".
Dec 30, 12 6:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
Fact: Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households. See the CBPP study based on census data, and the federal budget which proved conclusively that according to "analysis of budget and Census data,shows that more than 90 percent of the benefit dollars that entitlement and other mandatory programs spend go to assist people who are elderly, seriously disabled, or members of working households — not to able-bodied, working-age Americans who choose not to work. This figure has changed little in the past few years."
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 30, 12 6:15 PM
Um, no.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 30, 12 7:32 PM
Down to the wire again on our national debt. Will anything be done in the senate tonight? Nope, we will kick the can down the road. The Democrats were in charge of the President, Senate, and Congress for 09 and 10 and never wrote a budget. Whats the excuse Phil and Mr z? The president wants to raise taxes on the rich and wants to raise spending did you know this? I could care less if they raise taxes on the rich, but when does this ignorant nut of a president stop spending? The only way this problem ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 30, 12 7:33 PM
At this point massive money printing, and inflation versus salary stagnation has us at the breaking point.

Maybe if we didn't have an unprecedented tax cut during an active war(s), or were forced to bail out the gross and negligent failure of the fiscal industry we'd be alot better off.

Rome, Rome, wherefore art thou Rome...
Dec 30, 12 8:01 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and just for good measure according to the CBO, OMB, and Haver Analytics Obama has the lowest degree of annualized spending increase in 30 years. Reagan still stands as the highest from '82 -'85.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 30, 12 8:01 PM
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The CBO? The ones who predicted a 5 trillion dollar surplus by 2012. Can't blame Bush anymore this is the most important thing ever to hit this country and we have no leader. Do we hear from O bama today? This guy is no leader he is the greatest hustler to ever live.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 30, 12 8:17 PM
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And if he chooses to exact policy via Executive Order, would you call him a Marxist Dictator, or a leader instead of a hustler?

112th is allegedly the most ineffective Congress since WWII. Do you want to blame that on the POTUS too? Or the far right wingnuts the Tea Party so kindly afforded us with?

Why should Congress care anyway? Unlike the vast majority of this country's middle class in the past thirty years, they get a pay raise no matter what.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 30, 12 8:31 PM
Politicians, regardless of party, are an inept group who haven't given us even a glimpse of the know how or even the want to get us out of the mess that we are in. My guess is that we will stay in gradual decline for the foreseeable future.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Dec 30, 12 8:40 PM
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Why do you always seem to have a such a problem with patriotism
Dec 31, 12 12:20 AM appended by 27dan
Do you even have an answer for that Philip
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 31, 12 12:20 AM
Chief, weren't those surplus estimates made before Bush slashed taxes?
Dec 31, 12 4:46 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, before Wall St. drove the world economy into a tree at about a buck-twenty?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 4:46 AM
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@ dnice:

The authority granted by the people with their vote is a privilege. Most of these jerks don't see it that way. They cave to money, and lobbyists who serve their own interest, or any interest of their master, not the interests of democracy.

To quote Queensryche: "decline is a right on time".
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 7:18 AM
Z My man, Now your getting it. Right on!
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 30, 12 4:43 PM
In an attempt to seize total control over national security and bypass congress, a frightening new step by the Obama Administration is coming into play. As noted in Friday’s Wall Street Journal in an op-ed by John Bolton and John Woo, a State Department advisory group that is run by former Secretary of Defense William Perry is advising that the U.S. and Russia both reduce nuclear weapons without a treaty, as a treaty would require ratification by Congress. This would allow Obama and his executive ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 31, 12 7:48 AM
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The Congress is negligent in standing and holding up our Constitution and the branches of government!

They have allowed this fraud...this enemy of the United States of America to take us down...one piece at a time.

Remember...when the he spoke in soft tones to the Russian leader...and said wait until after the election and then he would have more of an ability to work with them...well, now he is!

IMPEACH THIS Manchurian president...BEFORE THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA IS ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Dec 31, 12 7:56 AM
Oh sure because less nuclear weapons is a bad idea and of course the Soviet Union is still our mortal enemy in the Cold War.

With the yields on the new fusion bombs, you barely need a dozen to completely destroy the world. If you detonate only 3 global warming will definitely be a thing of the past. And the neutron bombs? Forget about it.

By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 2:56 PM
Mr. Z, I think you missed the point. No one is saying more Nukes are a good thing. Its just that If people like Phil have there way America will not be respected as a super power anymore. If it were up to the MSNBC crowd we would turn over the silo keys to the United Nations. China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Hamas and the Muslim brotherhood "in that order" would love nothing more.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 31, 12 4:19 PM
This president was elected to his second term by the skin of his teeth and in a disproportionate and purely ideological reasons by Unions, Blacks and Students. HE DOES NOT HAVE A MANDATE! and is not a king with absolute rule . There is a proper Process for actions such as this. A process that this narcissist and chief and his Czars love to circumvent.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Dec 31, 12 4:20 PM
No he didn't
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Jan 1, 13 2:01 AM
He won by like 20 % he kicked azz
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Jan 1, 13 2:02 AM
The Tea Party members of congress were elected to put a stop to run away spending by a government that has no common sense when it comes to fiscal matters. If not for these congressmen and women, Barak Hussein Obama, peace be upon Him and his band of followers would have racked up even more debt!! Spending OUR MONEY like a gangster in a crack house on programs designed to pa back His supporters is no way to stimulate the economy and certainly not the way to take care of the ever increasind debt. ...more
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Dec 31, 12 8:16 AM
Did you see the press conference this arrogant self serving clown held today. I am dancing at the fact we went over the cliff!

I say bring on the Obama Tax Hike... FOR EVERYBODY! That s right like Phil said last week the free ride is over... you elected this socialist clown now put on your big boy pants and PAY UP!

LOLLLLLLLL
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 31, 12 4:52 PM
One common way to measure federal spending is to compare it to the size of the overall U.S. economy. That at least puts the level into context, helping account for population growth, inflation and other factors that affect spending. Here’s what the White House’s own budget documents show about spending as a percentage of the U.S. economy (gross domestic product):

2008: 20.8 percent

2009: 25.2 percent

2010: 24.1 percent

2011: 24.1 percent

2012: ...more
Dec 31, 12 6:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, lest one forget, the 2009 budget is a product of the Bush Administration.
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By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 31, 12 10:27 AM
say what?
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Dec 31, 12 2:26 PM
Had I really considered the sources of those who thought this book to have REAL meaningful substance - I would have saved the time and money and just watched MSNBC and enjoyed their tripe.The book is a product of the authors obtuse state of mind. Pure crap and hack journalism, masquerading as a work of political importance. Do you relize the number of days since the democrat led senate has brought a budget to the floor for a vote. Somehow if you believe Phil and what is on the pages of this book ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Dec 31, 12 4:40 PM
All you juvenile partisan buffoons are now reaping what you've sown. The House now has only three days to vote on the 60 billion dollar package for storm relief the Senate passed, but they plan to do...nothing. We have people here dancing because there is no budget plan in place to avoid the (over-hyped) fiscal cliff and they are dopey enough to think their team won. There are NO winners in today's political world, we are all losing - when will all you red-hat, blue-hat people get your head's ...more
By VOS (673), WHB on Dec 31, 12 6:10 PM
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I think you may like this:

“What kind of nation is it that spends far more to kill enemy combatants and Afghan and Iraqi civilians than it does to help its own citizens who live below the poverty line? What kind of nation is it that permits corporations to hold sick children hostage while their parents frantically bankrupt themselves to save their sons and daughters? What kind of nation is it that tosses its mentally ill onto urban heating grates? What kind of nation is it that abandons ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 7:17 PM
Where is this 60 billion coming from? Today the treasury officially runs out of money with no debt ceiling vote even on the table. The states of New York, and New Jersey have been over spending for decades and now have no money for a disaster. They have over spent on union employees causing mass corruption. This have ignored the fiscal problems of the states for decades I feel bad for people that were caught in the storm, but we can't spend billions to try to rebuild low lying areas. It's very funny ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Dec 31, 12 7:54 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!

10 Most Corrupt Politicians of 2012

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released its 2012 list of Washington’s “Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians.” The list, in alphabetical order, includes:

•Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL)
•Secretary of Energy Steven Chu
•Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and UN Ambassador Susan Rice
•Attorney General ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Dec 31, 12 6:11 PM
The powers that be do a better job colluding with bankers, to target college students and protesters:


Revealed: How the FBI Coordinated the Crackdown on Occupy

New documents prove what was once dismissed as paranoid fantasy: totally integrated corporate-state repression of dissent

by Naomi Wolf

It was more sophisticated than we had imagined: new documents show that the violent crackdown on Occupy last fall – so mystifying at the time – was not ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 7:36 PM
"What profession do all these senators and congressmen have?
Law, law, law, law, businessman, law, law, law…
Where are the scientists? Where are the engineers? Where’s the rest of…life?"

~ Neil DeGrasse-Tyson

By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 7:02 PM
I like Neil DeGrasse-Tyson, he is a smart man but it's not that simple. I seem to Remember John Glenn being a Senator... maybe the exception that proves the rule? Fact of the matter is, anyone can run for any political office, so the question really is, why aren't scientists/engineers taking a more active/aggressive role in becoming elected officials? Maybe it's because they feel they can get more done in their profession.

To me, it does make some sense for the people MAKING our laws ...more
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 12:51 PM
Too much of any good thing, is not a good thing.

The problem with having almost nothing but lawyers is that it is dangerous. No one to "watchdog" their creative, or innovative wording, practices, and methodology. No one to "keep it real", as it were...
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By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 5:41 PM
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By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 5:42 PM
I see what you are saying and agree... however they don't appoint themselves, they're elected. So guess that points to a bigger problem doesn't it? The severe under-education of the American voter.
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 5:42 PM
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Fiscal Cliff Averted


"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!! ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??!! Is this not why you are here??"

~ Maximus Decimus Meridius
Dec 31, 12 11:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
OK, so we lose 3.7 trillion through 2021 compared to the "worst case scenario". Maybe we should get to steppin' payin' the bill already due and create a gradual increase to recoup say half that amount. It might to be nice to plunk it down on that $16T time bomb...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Dec 31, 12 11:22 PM
The "fiscal cliff" fiasco has made it clear that President Barack Hussein Obama is entirely irrelevant to the everyday task of governing. He is not interested in it, and he is not good at it. He is great at campaigning and terrible at leading. He is essentially a symbol, a political celebrity who could be re-elected forever because people seem to like what they think he stands for, and what he tells them he stands against. But he does nothing positive for the country.
The deal that took shape ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 1, 13 12:35 PM
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"President Obama delegates every significant responsibility to him"

Name 5 "significant responsibilities" that he has delegated to Biden in the last year. What a ridiculous statement
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 12:54 PM
"President Obama delegates every significant responsibility to him"

Name 5 "significant responsibilities" that he has delegated to Biden in the last year. What a ridiculous statement
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 12:54 PM
Nature are you kidding, Dan is right on target, from drafting proposals to stop gun violence, to monitoring the stimulus spending, to boosting the middle class. In the "fiscal cliff" negotiations and the debt ceiling negotiations before them, Biden was the man chosen to talk with Congress.You obviously get your news from a partisan sheltered source, N.Y Times possibly?
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 1, 13 3:17 PM
While I agree with Nature that to suggest Obummer has delegated all of his responsibilities is a stretch, I agree whole heartedly that he is a terrible leader. What he said yesterday was beyond ridiculous. If he isn't part of the solution then he is part of the problem.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 3:20 PM
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Dnice, I have checked and it seems TCM is correct in his answering natures challenge that Biden was delegated those responsibilities.Biden seems to be the front man taking all the hits, while BHO stays out of the line of fire on issues from war to budgets to economic recovery. he has even become a liberal standard-bearer on same-sex marriage,it seems to me biden is the de facto president and face of the administration. BHO only seems to show up with his TelePrompTer at all friendly an pre screened ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 1, 13 3:56 PM
Dnice, Biden is not much better in the ridiculous department. Biden on Friday admitted " foreign policy is currently a bit of a mess". Biden also gaffed last week about how the economy was destroyed by the housing bubble.
We all know that bubble was home-grown by Secretary of HUD under Clinton, Andrew Cuomo and his Community Reinvestment Act. Now biden says "he knew back then those policies would cause more mortgages to default"
lol those same policies ultimately led to a massive mortgage ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 1, 13 5:52 PM
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TCM, I think we agree that Biden is a clown, as is most of the current assministration.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 9:13 PM
Hey TCM, great avatar!!
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 9:17 PM
What happened to no taxes for 98% of Americans? They just raised taxes for anybody that gets a paycheck by 2% out of their pay checks immediately. Explain this Phil I thought no new taxes for anyone making less than 250k. The man is a flim flam vacumn salesman. This president also has no immigration reform, or gun reform on his agenda. By the way I thought the president wanted deficit reduction.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 1, 13 7:01 PM
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By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 7:38 PM
That's not raising taxes... that's letting a tax cut expire. That 2% was used to stimulate the economy. Get your facts straight Chief.
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 7:38 PM
Elections have consequences Chief... No offense but maybe next people need to pay a little more attention.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 1, 13 8:29 PM
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I agree Joe, instead of worrying about their free s**t.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 9:16 PM
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I figured I would get no intelligent answer from you, If it's not a cut and paste there is nothing coming from you or Mr Z. The president had no deficit reduction or debt ceiling language in the bill. The bill was 157 pages and not one senator read the whole bill, but yet they voted on it. Nonsense as usual.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 1, 13 7:28 PM
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bring on the Obama Tax Hike... FOR EVERYBODY! That s right like Phil said last week the free ride is over... you elected this socialist clown now put on your big boy pants and PAY UP!

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 1, 13 8:31 PM
Joe - you do realize that Obama was the one who GAVE us the extra $$$ in our paycheck to stimulate the economy. Please explain to me how this is a "tax hike". It's the uneducated folks like you and Chief who give us voters a bad name.
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 1, 13 9:38 PM
Really the uneducated? Nature you inject your stupidity in just about any subject on this board. I hate to tell you any tax cut is only temporary, but that doesn't matter. The thing that matters is this idiot of a president said 98% of this country will not have it's taxes raised. Guess what your paycheck will have 2% less the next time you get one. Not to mention his fiscal policy has made gasoline and food at its highest price ever which is another tax on the middle class.This bill will raise ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 2, 13 12:13 AM
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Thanks for the insults Chief - but my record proceeds me and there are plenty of people who would disagree that my comments are "injections of stupidity". Your comments on the other hand. . .

You say: "The thing that matters is this idiot of a president said 98% of this country will not have it's taxes raised. Guess what your paycheck will have 2% less the next time you get one."

What don't you understand about this? OBAMA gave us the tax CREDIT in the first place. And we ALL ...more
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 9:56 AM
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By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 2, 13 4:46 PM
Chief - I'm done bothering responding to you on this or any future posts. If you can't actually provide a rational explanation and/or answer questions posed to you, you're not worth talking to. You don't want to give him credit for creating the tax credit in the first place, so of course you pretend it's a tax when it expires and you ignore the fact that he is only one branch of government. Hope that tinfoil hat stays on snug!
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 5:11 PM
Well at least the payroll tax will rise for everyone

ALLOWING THE DEMOCRATS TO BUY VOTES WITH OUR MONEY WILL BANKRUPT NOT ONLY THIS COUNTRY, BUT THE WORKING CLASS THAT SUPPORTS IT!
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 1, 13 10:34 PM
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Hey Phil: The scam perpetrated on the American people will force the nation into a fiscal situation the will rival Greeces' problems. Face it Phil, taxing the "rich" at 100% would fune the bloated , parasitic federal government for less than 2 weeks. How does that do anything to get our house in order? Without deep, across the board spending cuts we will continue to spiral down the crapper. Besides your class warfare idea, what can be done to remedy the problem. You have seen my proposal, put up ...more
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 2, 13 7:40 AM
Bye Bye Boehner , Ryan, Cantor and McCarthy must seize comtrol now! The drunk must go!
Don't blame us for the smaller pay checks
I'd like to take every Obama voter and have them explain exactly why they voted for him when they were told this was gonna happen. And then do it again after our medical insurance costs go up !
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 2, 13 9:37 AM
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Undocumented - my pay check is getting smaller because a tax CREDIT expired. That means that my paycheck INCREASED two years ago, because a tax credit was given. Don't want to see both sides of it though, do you?

And you think we would be better off with Romney? The man who's own son said he never wanted to run and never wanted to be President? Keep dreaming.
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 9:58 AM
Nature, want to see both sides... you will get your chance to be a non partisan hero in the next few weeks with the debt ceiling battle that our king already clams "is not up for debate"
This cocky SOB gets everything, cuts nothing then during his narcissistic victory lap has the balls to hint about even more taxes and Stimulus, before chuckling back to his $ 7 million Hawaiian extended vacation. BHO is bringing the country down, and at this point.... I for one am looking forward to it .I cant ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 2, 13 10:45 AM
Joe,
Do tell. Please tell us how the government was supposed to pay for a couple of unfunded wars? I guess it is President Obama's fault that there was no tax increase to pay for it and he got the bill.
Yes, it IS 43's fault.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 10:49 AM
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When Reagan took office, the debt was about 30% of GDP. By the time he left office, it had almost doubled to 55% of GDP. At the end of the elder Bush's term, it stood at about 65%. Under Clinton, it dropped back below 60%.

By the time Bush 43 was done with his terms, the debt stood at about 85% of GDP. Now, after a complete economic meltdown, millions unemployed, and a constant state of war, the debt now stands at about 110% of GDP.

Any questions?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 2, 13 6:59 PM
You there CHAMP? Still waiting on your plan.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 2, 13 1:32 PM
Capt America,
If you are also joe hampton, thank you for your very eloquent reply. Nomrally Joe comes across as an uneducated ibuffoon, but that was a resonable response. If in fact you are NOT joe hampton, mind your own business.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 2:17 PM
I do apologize BIAB for my lack of polished soliloquy. I assure you the mistake is all mine. I had no Idea I was speaking to such a refined savant of the english language . In the future while in the preceance of such a sage. I will be sure to refrain from such inarticulate prose. I will kept in mind while addressing such a promenent members of 27 east, such High Hat Size or youself to be sure to put on my new guise and not come accross as to uneducated and risk the tainting your blue blooded charcter ...more
Jan 2, 13 4:12 PM appended by joe hampton
And please be so kind as to excuse the spelling and grammar errors good man. I am forced to be on a bumpy train at the moment since my carriage has fallen into a state of dis repair
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 2, 13 4:12 PM
Even appearing illiterate never aids one's cause. At all.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 2, 13 6:24 PM
Bloomberg had a good article pro and con on January 1st, "Debunking Nine Myths of the Gun-Control Debate."
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Jan 2, 13 6:48 PM
Russia sends poisonous meat back to United States.
Jan 2, 13 6:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
ractopamine
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 2, 13 6:49 PM
Whatever ultimately emerges from the fiscal-cliff negotiations over the past 48 hours, the country will survive. But the damage can't be undone. Taxes are going up for all working Americans. And so is the size of government.

Businesses have been waiting to see whether a second BHO administration will encourage the economy. During the fiscal-cliff negotiations, however, the president made clear that his goal isn't to get business going again but instead to expand government and redistribute ...more
Jan 2, 13 9:46 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Has any one else noticed how calm MR Z has gotten now that the Socialist is safely back in the white house. He had become almost as hysterical as little a hole is in the months leading up to the election.I was starting to think maybe they were the same person, but now he is all cool calm an and collected again.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 2, 13 9:46 PM
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Actually, I've been quite under the weather for at least a week and I've been extra busy with the holidays, but thanks for playing.

The only real income redistribution in this country that has occurred in the last thirty years has been to the small percentage of the population whose wealth has doubled, and the slightly smaller percentage whose wealth has quadrupled. The "1%" now hold in excess of 40% of our nation's wealth, and it's share INCREASED through the recession, while at least ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 3, 13 5:05 AM
Thanks for admitting that the leftists want to abandon the principles that this great nation was founded on CHAMPION OF KILLING THE UNBORN!.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 3, 13 7:04 AM
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By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 3, 13 8:16 AM
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And opposition to a baby with a heartbeat in the womb's right to be as narcissistic and insensitive as little P someday doesn't show contempt for the constitution
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 3, 13 8:34 AM
So, what was this country "founded on"? Please let us know if you are a "Patriot's" version, or a "People's" version. The entire preamble is rather egalitarian, and the Founders were pretty vehement about the auspices of "nobility" in Section 9, pargraph 8.

I'm actually kind of surprised you've never said "We, the People" sounds Marxist...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 3, 13 9:43 PM
409 people killed by guns since the Newtown shooting. Meanwhile over 100k fetuses aborted and thrown in a dumpster. What a sick society we have become. The best Phil can come up with is its a right to privacy lol..lol
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 3, 13 9:12 AM
A fetus is 10 weeks (2.5 months), or further along.

How about before ten weeks?

What is it then?

On a lighter note, the NYS Appeals Court has ruled a motorist cannot be stopped for giving police the middle finger
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 3, 13 8:50 PM
I would imagine that is true since I was with someone who gave Joe Biden the finger in Southampton and nothing happened to him. We could not get the smile off his face for the rest of the night
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 3, 13 9:00 PM
if I saw you do it I woulda snapped it. BET!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Jan 3, 13 9:09 PM
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By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 4, 13 8:36 AM
Please show us where the right to privacy is guaranteed in the constitution CHAMP
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 4, 13 4:42 PM
I guess you never heard of the Second Amendment.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 4, 13 5:24 PM
CNN's Velshi Calls Out GOP Rep for Misleading Stats on Taxes and Small Businesses

Velshi destroyed him, and his stylized propaganda.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 4, 13 6:01 PM
Hey CHAMP, the 4th deals with search and seizure, and does not have anything to do with a woman killing her baby in utero. It still seems hypocritical to keep score of people killed by guns and turn a blind eye to government sanctioned murder at the same time. Both are reprehensible.
By bigfresh (1436), north sea on Jan 5, 13 9:12 AM
US Public Debt AS of this Minute 16,444,362,203,722 and rising quickly!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 5, 13 10:19 PM
very quickly!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 5, 13 10:21 PM
I was just reading article about how BHO said he is going for the guns. And let me tell you if he does its going to get real real ugly. These vets on this blog are ready to die if he tries, here is a small sample.

Brave Americans gave their lives for us to exercise our 2nd Amendment Rights... No Kenyan is going to take this right away from us...........

Princess Peapod

And once the blue helmet pups do it, they will come in smarty pants and take yours away as well. You ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 5, 13 10:51 PM
According to Gallup polls, armed guards at schools is more popular than banning assault weapons and the NRA is as popular as the President and three times as popular as Congress. Go figure with the great group we have running this country into the ground.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 6, 13 5:58 PM
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Gallup had been pretty good. Not to say they haven't been wrong but they have the pulse more often than not.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 6, 13 7:43 PM
We've been lied to. Big shock, eh? Definitely worth the read.

Secret and Lies of the Bailout
The federal rescue of Wall Street didn’t fix the economy – it created a permanent bailout state based on a Ponzi-like confidence scheme. And the worst may be yet to come...



It has been four long winters since the federal government, in the hulking, shaven-skulled, Alien Nation-esque form of then-Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, committed $700 billion in taxpayer ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 5, 13 9:23 AM
Most of them feel this is exactly why we were given the right to bear arms for when this day of government run wild arrives, and let me tell you these guys are willing to die and take anyone who tries to strip them of there rights with them! this is going to make Ruby Ridge look like a cub scout meeting.

So you have to ask yourself. Is this what you really want to do.

This could be the defining moment!
Jan 5, 13 10:58 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
A few more, Wow, Barack Obama gives our tax money to Egypt which is controlled by the Muslim Brotherhood which is Sharia compliant. Now the administration and liberals are trying to take away our only protection from this happening..........our guns! Marcelo 13 I guess the ATF will be knocking down a lot of innocent taxpaying citizens doors and dragging them off to prison! Did'nt we fight a revolution for far less, as I recall? tufluk Come and get it! Except I'm sure you don't have the moxie. sj0flr For someone who claims not to care about our guns, you sure are taking great pains to shove your nose into my business. And from halfway around the world, no less. If you really feel that comfortable meddling in my legal rights and have the guts to take them, drop by and I will "hand it over"...business end first. JT
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 5, 13 10:58 PM
Nuts, why is that ? There is a HUGE misunderstanding in the purpose of the 2nd amend and it is amazingly obvious in comments made in this thread and other media outlets.The 2nd amend is NOT about hunting, it is NOT about sport shooting. It is solely about guaranteeing an Amercian, law-abiding citizen the God given right to self defense through the ownership of firearms for the purposes of securing their home, property, and country. Period.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 7, 13 9:58 AM
And that firearm should match the firepower of those that may be used against them, either by other citizens, or a government that turns on its own people and tries to deprive them of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These rights are enshrined in our Declaration of Indepence and guaranteed in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution. Period. so keep consuming everything you can UD knowledges of you environment is the best preparation for any storm.

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 7, 13 10:01 AM
Better buy a couple tanks, rocket launchers, grenade launchers, kevlar body armor, and some ballistic headgear while you're at it.

Did I miss anything?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 8, 13 9:04 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

Is there no limit to your gullibility? Will you consume every tidbit of extremist brain candy that comes before you without ever smelling it first before you chow down?

This bogus report arises from a N.C. radio talk show on which a self-described (but unverified, of course) captain in the "police" phoned in to claim that the police were planning on implementing marshal law.

It's such total crap that even the fact-checking websites haven't bothered ...more
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Jan 5, 13 11:20 PM
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Thanks, for the support, Joe, dnice,captain
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 7, 13 7:19 PM
Tulsa stunned after four women found shot to death
By Eric W. Dolan
Monday, January 7, 2013 16:35 EST

Police in Tulsa, Oklahoma said four women had been found shot to death in an apartment on Monday, according to local media reports.

A 4-year-old child was also found in the apartment with no injuries. The child has been taken into protective custody. Police said it was unclear if the child was related to one of the victims.

“It is very uncommon to have ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 7, 13 8:47 PM
Planned Parenthood Touts over 333,000 Babies Aborted in last year
by William Bigelow 8 Jan 2013
And the American genocide continues, with 333,964 murders last year. That’s the figure proudly released by Planned Parenthood Federation of America in their report delineating how many abortions they performed last year. Doing some simple math reveals that the number of abortions performed equates to one abortion every 94 seconds.
And Planned Parenthood can be pleased with their ...more
Jan 9, 13 10:07 AM appended by 27dan
How can you not see your blatant hypocrisy I will Pray for your soul
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 9, 13 10:07 AM
In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control analyzed ammunition bans, restrictions on acquisition of firearms, waiting periods, registration, licensing, child access prevention and zero tolerance laws. After their analysis, the Centers for Disease Control concluded there was no conclusive evidence that any gun control laws reduced gun violence. Foreign researchers have also come to the same conclusion. In Australia in 2008, a peer reviewed study at the University of Sydney reached virtually the same ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 9, 13 3:18 PM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 9, 13 8:10 PM
US Public Debt AS of this Minute 16,654,353,210,247 and rising quickly!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 9, 13 7:23 PM
dnice, We should demand that Mr. Morgan be deported immediately for his effort to undermine the Bill of Rights and for exploiting his position as a national network television host to stage attacks against the rights of American citizens and take Phil with him for the same reasons.

The fact is, Piers Morgan had not only called for gun control; he called for a repeal of the 2nd amendment to better reflect England's gun laws as well as a repeal of parts of the bible he disagreed with. These ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 9, 13 11:10 PM
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By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 10, 13 1:55 PM
Doubtful as they are way to sensitive. Someone's feelings might get hurt.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 2:17 PM
I agree dnice
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 10, 13 3:18 PM
You are right Joe, Thank you for pointing out the obvious, seems like Big fresh as had also enough of trying to talk common sense into a wall as well. I will try and do the same. Its just the garbage he spouts is so indefensible. I guess when you think about it you and dnice are correct its all for attention.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 10, 13 3:29 PM
Resistance causes persistence.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Jan 10, 13 4:53 PM
Let me assure you... If you are referring to taking our 2nd or 10th amendment rights away or accepting an arrogant narcissist of a POTUS from parts unknown... then you persistence is futile
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 10, 13 5:49 PM
US Public Debt AS of this Minute 16,654,364,243,114 and rising quickly
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 10, 13 7:01 PM
'crickets'
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 9:30 PM
you no it, stay outta da bushes , YES WE DID BABY!
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Jan 10, 13 10:55 PM
Failed fiat currencies through "modern" history:

Roman Denarius (the first), China's "Flying Money", French Livres, Assignats, and Francs, Weimar German Mark, Argentine Peso (2x), Finland, Italy, and Norway in 1992, Mexico 1994, Thai Baht 1997, Russian Ruble 1998, and more recently Zimbabwe.

There has NEVER, ever, not once, not by a long shot been a successful fiat currency economy since and including the Denarius. The more you print, the louder it goes BOOM.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 9:14 PM
There is no compromise on the 2nd Amendment....period.
There is no legitimate exception to the Second Amendment for military-style weapons, because military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to secure our ability to oppose enemies foreign and domestic, a guarantee against disorder and tyranny. Consider the words of Supreme Court justice Joseph Story — who was, it bears noting, appointed to ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 10, 13 10:03 PM
"Holy ****. No one's taking away all the guns. But now I get it. Now I see what's happening. So, this is what it is: They're paranoid fear of a possible dystopic future, prevents us from addressing our actual dystopic present. We can’t even begin to address 30,000 gun deaths that are actually, in reality, happening in this country every year because a few of us must remain vigilant against the rise of imaginary Hitler.”

~ Jon Stewart, The Daily Show



And, ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 10:15 PM
to 27dan:

You have plagiarized Kevin D. Williamson of The National Review. In addition, the paraphrased opinion of Justice Joseph Story does not address the question of what constitutes "arms" as specified in the 2nd Amendment. Most 2nd Amendment advocates agree that howitzers are not included. Whether "assault" weapons and high-capacity magazines ARE is debatable.

Inevitably, the Supremes will answer this question but it would be far better if the people were to do so by the ...more
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Jan 10, 13 10:53 PM
S 265.00 Definitions.

As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:
1. "Machine-gun" means a weapon of any description, irrespective ofsize, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged from a magazine with one continuous pull of the trigger and includes a sub-machine gun.


22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has ...more
Jan 10, 13 11:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
Note Section 22, paragraph c, subparagraph 4...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 11:46 PM
"Large U.S. cities that the rest of the world used to look at in envy are now being transformed into gang-infested hellholes with skyrocketing crime rates. Cities such as Chicago, Detroit, Camden, East St. Louis, New Orleans and Oakland were once bustling with economic activity, but as industry has fled those communities poverty has exploded and so has criminal activity. Meanwhile, financial problems have caused all of those cities to significantly reduce their police forces. Sadly, this same pattern ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 10:42 PM
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Folla' the dolla'...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 10:46 PM
folla da dolla ~ word
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Jan 10, 13 10:52 PM
Oh how cute, Z has a parrot.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 11:04 PM
And apparently a militant one, at that.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 11:28 PM
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

~ Ben Franklin
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 10:49 PM
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

~ Benjamin Franklin
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 10:50 PM
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
- George Washington
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 10, 13 11:16 PM
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I think we are sorely lacking the latter, and the "well regulated" part in regard to the bearing of arms.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 10, 13 11:26 PM
The Burger Court was a fraud
By smacw (176), New York on Feb 22, 13 12:02 PM
Apple overtaken by Samsung for first time in smartphone market
Apple has been knocked off its throne as producer of the world’s best-selling smartphone with Samsung’s Galaxy S3 overtaking the iPhone 4S for the first time.

Niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !
Jan 11, 13 12:38 AM appended by joe hampton
The free market and an open platform will always win in the end the kids are finally breaking rank with there professors and seeing apples proprietary environment blows. Apples closed and tightly controlled environment sucks... Open source and freedom of choice will prevail.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 11, 13 12:38 AM
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Droid = freedom and open source

Apple = corporate fascism
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 11, 13 6:52 AM
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By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 11, 13 8:52 AM
Despite launching a gun control agenda that threatens to disarm the American people, President Obama has signed a bill that would afford him armed Secret Service protection for life.

“The legislation, crafted by Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina, rolls back a mid-1990s law that imposed a 10-year limit on Secret Service protection for former presidents. Bush would have been the first former commander in chief affected,” reports Yahoo News.

The new bill, which ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 11, 13 9:16 AM
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Dan, did you see Ben Shapiro's Performance on CNN last night
It marked a turning point in the gun debate, Shapiro’s confident, fact-packed demolition of CNN’s Piers Morgan last night marks the turning point in the gun control debate. He showed that when they cannot exploit the deaths of children, gun control advocates are forced to defend their views, which are based on faulty premises. the interview gave new energy and enthusiasm to defenders of the Second Amendment, who are preparing ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 11, 13 6:37 PM
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Morgan is not a true honest objective journalist. He is an integral part of the M.S.M's "BHO propaganda machine" He can't be bothered by little details like fact and truth that run contrary to his agenda. Ben was outstanding! He put that arrogant, ignorant, sarcastic English prick on the defensive from beginning to end. Morgan was put in his place by facts, truth, and the constitution, You know that paper that BHO wants to wipe his azz with? Why does the left seem to have serious issues with Facts ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 11, 13 6:48 PM
86,000 baby's sucked up and killed since Sandy Hook Elementary School. Thats 85,266 more than the 734 people killed by guns of which 72 percent were gang bangers leaving the world is a better place in there absence!

Mr.Z and Joe , This post was sent from my android Galaxy tab 10.1 Non Crapple device.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 11, 13 7:03 PM
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 11, 13 8:03 PM
U UM, I believe it says "We The People" not we the government.

keep trying but you are not going to win this one.

You WILL NOT! get the guns that the constitution give us the right to posses

Semi Auto as well.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 11, 13 8:33 PM
This govt wants nothing to do with limiting any guns. Do you think insulting the owners of 300 million weapons is going to go well? The horse is out of the barn there is nothing that can be done just lip service from democrats.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 11, 13 7:34 PM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 11, 13 9:14 PM
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86,480 baby's sucked up and killed since Sandy Hook Elementary School. Thats 85,746 more than the 734 people killed by guns of which 72 percent were gang bangers leaving the world is a better place in there absence!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 12, 13 11:17 PM
I love women just not the self centered ones who B.S. the world about "Womens reproductive rights" Infanticide is exactly what it sounds like.
The selfish mothers who talk there scared daughters under 21 into such a horrible act, often without any feeling of remorse should be ashamed of there actions... Thanks for playing
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 13, 13 9:53 PM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 12, 13 11:39 PM
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Hundreds Rush To CT Gun Store To Buy Semi-Automatic Rifles

Email NEWINGTON, CT (WFSB) - A controversial gun sale caused a traffic jam on the Berlin Turnpike in Newington well before 9 a.m. as people stood in line outside Hoffman's Gun Shop hoping to get their hands on a semi-automatic rifle value bundle. Hoffman's Gun Center & Indoor Shooting Range was selling only 100 of the Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport value packs, and that had people lined up in droves. The gun itself has been the target ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 13, 13 6:56 AM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 13 8:58 PM
He is not the only one . . .
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Jan 16, 13 9:24 PM
"Good news -- it has become known that hidden deep within the massive 2800-page bill called Obamacare there is a Senate Amendment protecting the right to keep and bear arms.
It seems that in their haste to cram socialized medicine down the throats of the American people, then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Barack Obama overlooked Senate amendment 3276, Sec. 2716, part c.
According to reports, that amendment says the government cannot use doctors to collect "any information relating to the ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 13 10:47 AM
Even when you choose your words carefully the nanny press censors your words what are you so afraid of... I did not use and profanity nor did I name any individuals. Seems someone has a liberal / progressive most likely female protector at the press. can someone fair and balanced look into this please.at the very least if you take such pleasure in censorship explain the ground rules so you can be held to a standard!
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 14, 13 11:12 AM
Dan,

For what it's worth - the last fe weeks of this thread should be deleted as they are "off-topic". Just my opinion
By Nature (2696), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 12:34 PM
"To prohibit a citizen from wearing or carrying a war arm . . . is an unwarranted restriction upon the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of constitutional privilege." [Wilson v. State, 33 Ark. 557, at 560, 34 Am. Rep. 52, at 54 (1878)]
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 12:49 PM
A month ago today 20 innocent 6 and 7 year old children were slaughtered. Since that massacre 800 more Americans have died. If you watched the Sandy Hook parents' press conference today and you still believe that background checks and bans on assault rifles and high capacity clips are a bridge too far, then you are a cold, heartless ideologue more concerned with your own political zealotry than human life.

Even Anthony Scalia has said that the right to bear arms is not beyond the reach ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 14, 13 2:38 PM
You make broad statements consistent with a person ruled more by emotion than reality. One more time for the learning impaired, "gun control does not and will not prevent crime, especially mass shootings". Mass shootings are very rare occurrences. Not to say that they aren't horrifying and that they reveal the worst in us as a society but banning "assault(a term coined by politicians) weapons" will not help. All it does is take away our freedom and make us weaker, and that is a fact.

The ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 4:09 PM
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By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 14, 13 6:40 PM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 12:24 AM
A majority of Americans support a broad range of gun control policies, including bans on assault-style weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips, according to a poll from Pew Research Center released Monday.

The poll showed 55 percent support an assault weapons ban, while 54 percent favor a prohibition on high-capacity clips. Support is even wider for other proposals, such as background checks for private and gun show sales (85 percent), a federal database to track gun sales (67 percent) ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jan 14, 13 3:58 PM
Peoplefirst, what is your definition of an "assault weapons"? What criteria do you use to make this definition? What type of weapon would you be comfortable with law abiding citizens owning?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 4:12 PM
Any weapon capable of slaughtering 20 six year old children in less than 2 minutes.

I have no problem with a law abiding citizen who submits to a background check legally purchasing a handgun or shotgun.

But don't just ask me my opinion, the Pew poll shows that 58 percent of all Americans agree with me.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Jan 14, 13 4:30 PM
With proper training, that is any weapon. That could be done with a double barrel shotgun. You didn't answer my question(s) either because you know very little about firearms or because emotion won't allow you to think about it rationally( not to say that his makes you a bad person, just uninformed and perhaps susceptible to bad info) How will gun bans prevent future crime? Consider current drug laws and their effectiveness when answering.

That poll called approximately 1500 people on ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 4:48 PM
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sorry phil but you description is off-- your definition includes ALL pistols (#3 describes all semi-auto guns) but not revolvers, and does not include auto loader shotguns (believe me if you knew what that is it would definately be on your list). Resembles a military firearm? Given the range of weapons used by the military around the world, I don't think you could even find anything which wouldn't fir into this category. I do believe you just made this up. And by the way there is ...more
By CaptainSig (440), Dutch Harbor on Jan 14, 13 7:39 PM
CaptainSig, this is why I asked for a definition. There really isn't a good or universal one as the term was coined by Democrats that were proposing the 1994 bill. The term, assault weapon, when used in the context of assault weapon laws refers primarily (but not exclusively) to semi-automatic firearms that possess the cosmetic features of an assault rifle that is fully automatic.

Most of the defining characteristics(pistol grip, telescoping stock, bayonet lug, flash suppressor, etc.) ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 13 8:22 PM
As far as the legal definitions go, here is NYS Penal Law, Article 265.

S 265.00 Definitions.

As used in this article and in article four hundred, the following terms shall mean and include:
1. "Machine-gun" means a weapon of any description, irrespective ofsize, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged from a magazine with one continuous pull of the trigger and includes a sub-machine ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 14, 13 8:36 PM
Mr, Z will like this,
From Plato

"Won't he smile in welcome at anyone he meets, saying that he's no tyrant,
making all sorts of promises both in public and in private, freeing the people
from debt, redistributing land to them, his followers, and pretending to be
gracious and gentle to all?"
However after a series of unpopular actions, including stirring up a war, the
leader begins to alienate some of his most ardent advisers who begin to voice
their misgivings ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 14, 13 9:16 PM
Reminds me Ngo Dinh Diem..
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 14, 13 9:31 PM
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 14, 13 9:50 PM
Or, some sage advice.

A supply of ammunition usually ain't infinite. This ain't a game of "Contra" out here in the real world. My advice to be capable of more than just having a trigger finger...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 14, 13 10:16 PM
Definition of assault weapon - An equalizer against all enemy's foreign and domestic. like joe said ; A firearm that match's the firepower of those that may be used against them, either by criminals or a tyrannical government that turns on its own people and tries to deprive them of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These rights are enshrined in our Declaration of Independence and guaranteed in the Bill of Rights of the Constitution.
Jan 14, 13 9:09 PM appended by They call me
Why does the Shall not be infringed, confuse all of them so much.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 14, 13 9:09 PM
The Supreme Court, which is made up of people only slightly smarter than you disagree. What part of that confuses you?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 12:12 AM
Historically "well regulated" meant that all stores of ammunition and firearms were catalogued, and as a means of putting food on the table most citizens required firearms.

Also as a matter of historical record how justices came to their decisions unfortunately had more to do with borers, lobbyists, or who they "owed" their appointment to because they were chosen by those with a vested interest. Money and influence figured most prominently into Supreme Court decisions in the post Civil ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 15, 13 4:52 AM
NYS just passed the most stringent gun control laws in the country. Knew that was coming.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 12:15 AM
Imagine if those laws had been in place before Columbine, Aurora, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook. The outcome would have been ......exactly the same. If anyone anywhere thinks that Governor Cuomo did anything that will change things, it is time for you to get sober.
I dont have the answer to the type of insanity that caused the above shootings. I am a gun owner, not a member of the NRA. And I believe here is room in the debate for some restrictions, but just passing a law to say you did it is ...more
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 12:54 PM
100% absolutely incorrect. If the bushmaster had been banned both Newton and Aurora would not have happened. If there had been a database the identified people who were considered dangerous to themselves or others, Virgina Tech would never have happened.

Fight it all you like, but the times they are-a-changing. The NRA is no longer in control. A vast majority of American people support everything Cuomo and Obama have suggested.

By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Jan 15, 13 2:45 PM
So the insane person(s) who perpatrated these hideous acts would have followed the law? Are you serious?? A ban will not remove the existing weapons.
I somehow don't feel comfortable knowing the government has a "database" of folks with mental issues. Seems very Orwellian to me. Again, I don't have the answer.
But if you think that banning assault weapons would have stopped these massacres, you are sadly mistaken. A few legal weapons, operated by someone who knows how to use them could ...more
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 3:38 PM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 8:25 PM
Yep, proud to be.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 13 8:55 PM
Bully: Piers Demands Shapiro Rematch, Refuses One-on-One

Last night, CNN’s Piers Morgan invited Breitbart News Editor-at-Large Ben Shapiro back on his program for a “balanced debate," just days after his shellacking at Shapiro's hands on his own program. But when it came time to book the show, Morgan’s team refused to tell Shapiro what the format of the show would be. And when Shapiro said that he expected balance -- a second one-on-one interview with Morgan -- Morgan’s ...more
Jan 15, 13 12:23 PM appended by They call me
In other news; Gun Control Report Handed In On Time; Obama's Budget Proposal Late (Again)
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 15, 13 12:23 PM
Think of all of the lives that were just saved by this well thought out, well meaning legislation. What a joke. I am sure criminals everywhere are terrified of being charged with a misdemeanor for having more than 7 rounds.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 2:13 PM
YES! YES ! YES ! TAKE THAT BHO!
If they would just secede I would be on the first plane.
Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Texas Proposal: JAIL Any Federal Officials Trying to Enforce New Gun Restrictions in the State , LOVE IT! F en LOVE ITTTT!
measure would make any federal firearms legislation passed by Congress or approved by Presidential order unenforceable in Texas. NICE!
Jim Forsyth
A Texas lawmaker says he plans to file the Firearms Protection Act, which would make any federal ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 15, 13 5:16 PM
Maybe its time Dan, I would close my doors and go with you to the Lone star state and that my friend is a promise. All I would leave behind is 27 more pink slips because I am sure 5 of my employees would come with us in a heart beat. enough is enough!

without us this place would be f ked
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 15, 13 5:34 PM
Hoo rah! Would love to have you along for the ride brother, maybe Arizona would merge with Texas and then we could show the rest of the country how easy it is to stop the illegal border crossings.

If the president is allowed to suspend constitutional rights on his own personal whims, our free republic has effectively ceased to exist.

Yesterday you said
A firearm that match's the firepower of those that may be used against them, either by criminals or a tyrannical government ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 15, 13 5:47 PM
God bless Texas!
And I just read that Wyoming was the first state to take this stance.
Texas makes #2.
Idaho and Tennessee are talking about it.
I think they pushed two far now.
Don't Tread On Me !
Hell Ill move as well if it comes down to it.let them kill each other up hear we can start new make our schools safe and lock our guns safely in a cabinet. Then sleep at night while the north east turns to the united nations for guidance on how to deal with Sharia law.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 15, 13 6:08 PM
Texas is where me and the wife will be retiring to. Unfortunately not for about 10 years though. Keep a seat warm for me.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 7:59 PM
Why, would they look like you?
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 10:32 PM
Looks like we got a mass exodus on our hands Capitan, Big Fresh, dnice you coming along. lol
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 15, 13 6:12 PM
Quite the Anti-Federalists we have here...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 15, 13 8:03 PM
Hello kettle, meet pot.
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 10:06 PM
Here is an interesting fact for the gun haters. FBI crime statistics show that more people are murdered by clubs and hammers than rifles and shotguns. But don't let the facts get in the way of delusion.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 13 10:08 PM
Forget it Dnice very few people that live around these parts care about the constitution. They would love nothing more than to "Fundamentally change the country" They are comfortable with the nanny state where everyone is equally miserable.they are weak so they depend on government. It is not the place you think it is anymore. We probably should move to be around normal people once again these progressive lazy under achievers will see that tyranny will rise again It always does! and they should ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 16, 13 12:09 PM
Here's a fact about abortions they Murdered 27,750 baby's last month!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 16, 13 4:15 PM
And, you miss the tyranny right under your nose.

“It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few ...more
Jan 16, 13 4:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich; and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. A tax upon house-rents, therefore, would in general fall heaviest upon the rich; and in this sort of inequality there would not, perhaps, be any thing very unreasonable. It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion. " ~ Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations" (1776)
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 16, 13 4:31 PM
Come with us Mr Z Texas has a great economy!

Here in Texas, you will have the liberty and the opportunity to achieve your dreams. On top of that, we have no income tax, yet still manage to have a multi-billion dollar budget surplus.

We have right to work laws and a reasonable regulatory environment. Texas has created more than 275,000 jobs in the last year alone! And we’ll fight like hell to protect your rights.

You’ll also get to keep more of what you earn ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 16, 13 4:35 PM
Well, I do have family there. However I would have to avoid Hidalgo, petroleum refineries, chemical plants, paper plants, and ubran sprawl. Big problem is I hate the heat, and I'm honestly physically built for the cold. I really don't think I could live in a place where it didn't snow, but thanks for the offer.

Sincerely, Mr. Z
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 16, 13 6:08 PM
It takes a special kind of stupid to think that ANY legislation will stop the horrible events at Columbine, VT, Aurora, and Newton from happening again. You are a politicians delight.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 13 12:08 AM
Wow. Obama has had a lot of time to look and look and ruminate and that's all he could come up with. Smoke, mirrors and a whole lot of nothing. Only thing of any consequence is 10 round mag limit and that's not gonna pass congress. Hopefully all this leads to is 2014 midterm backlash which could turn Obama into a lame duck.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 13 10:56 AM
Why we not only need to protect the 2nd... But most of all the 10th
A fear expressed variously by Plato, Aristotle, Madison, Tocqueville, and J. S. Mill. If the majority rules, what is to stop it from expropriating the minority, or from tyrannizing it in other ways by enforcing the majority's religion, language, or culture on the minority? Madison's answer in The Federalist is the best known. He argued that the United States must have a federal structure. Although one majority, left to itself, ...more
Jan 17, 13 6:56 PM appended by joe hampton
I love the South It helps clear my head... I am so much more relaxed knowing I am 1300 miles away from Phils kind.4 more weeks of heaven... ahhhhh
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 17, 13 6:56 PM
I had to share this. I loved the "Legal Aftermath" part:


Icelandic Anger Brings Debt Forgiveness in Best Recovery Story

By Omar R. Valdimarsson


Icelanders who pelted parliament with rocks in 2009 demanding their leaders and bankers answer for the country’s economic and financial collapse are reaping the benefits of their anger.

Since the end of 2008, the island’s banks have forgiven loans equivalent to 13 percent of gross domestic product, ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 17, 13 8:10 PM
President Barack Obama this month proposed plans to expand loan modifications, including some principal reductions.

I'll believe it when I see it.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 13 10:27 PM
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Looks like Chuck Todd had a come to Jesus moment today...wow
NBC's Chuck Todd shows that by many indicators the country is not better off under Obama.
Todd: There is plenty of data to support the idea that the country is not better off than it was four years ago. And that the struggling economy continues to take a toll on families. Median household income is lower than it was in 2009. And 46 million Americans live below the poverty line. Several million more than four years ago. The federal ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 17, 13 10:33 PM
Two-out-of-three Americans recognize that their constitutional right to own a gun was intended to ensure their freedom.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 65% of American Adults think the purpose of the Second Amendment is to make sure that people are able to protect themselves from tyranny. Only 17% disagree, while another 18% are not sure.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 18, 13 12:24 PM
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The question today is not an academic one about the intent of the writers of the Constitution regarding tyranny, but rather whether we should take some common sense steps to simply close the loopholes in our laws that put us all in danger. A much more pertinent survey was just undertaken by Siena University: "The Siena poll was conducted while the debate was going on and after the law was signed. It was conducted Jan. 10-15 to 676 registered voters. It has a margin of error of 3.8 percentage points.

"Seventy-three ...more
By VOS (673), WHB on Jan 18, 13 4:05 PM
VOS, I agree with most of what you posted. I have stated before that I am all for stricter licensing requirements, better background checks, reasonable waiting periods. These things work. Banning does not, IMO and I have yet to find any research that suggests that it does. History shows us that making things illegal only takes thing out of law abiding citizens hands and creates a black market for more criminal activity. Do you honestly think that a criminal cares about 7 round limits? If the ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 18, 13 6:09 PM
Unions Lose Court Battle to Roll Back Gov. Walker's Collective Bargaining Reforms

A decision issued today by the 7th circuit Court of Appeals says collective bargaining reforms passed by Governor Scott Walker will stand.

AS THEY SHOULD... Thank you and I am going out with some friends so good night.
Jan 18, 13 7:04 PM appended by joe hampton
Oh and I stopped by a pawn shop in Palm Beach today... every AR 15 is SOLD OUT! plans backfire much!
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 18, 13 7:04 PM
Joe I bet the gun were sold out , I just read this before I read your post

Backfire: Obama Approval Plummets During Gun Push

Just a week before the New Year, Obama enjoyed his highest approval ratings of 2012. According to Gallup, 58% of Americans approved of the job Obama was doing. Survey results released today by Gallup, though, show Obama's approval rating has plummeted to just 49%. It is a dramatic drop, especially coming over a holiday period when people traditionally pay ...more
Jan 18, 13 7:22 PM appended by They call me
The main reason for the second admendment was for citizens to have guns to PROTECT AGAINST TYRANNY "oppressive power exerted by government". And if the government has assault weapons to try to impose their tyranny, I should have assault weapons to defend against that same tyranny.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 18, 13 7:22 PM
"I was listening to drive time radio yesterday and heard the best analogy of how Obama is playing the gun control game.

He's like the worst of the oldtime sleazy carnival preachers. You know, the folks that would pray for healing or for rain saying "if you have enough faith" you will be healed or the rains will come. If the healing or rain doesn't come, then he blames you for not having enough faith . . . because he did his job.

The analogy to Obama is that if his executive orders ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 18, 13 8:48 PM
I suppose if I did have any... the good ones would be safely in Florida by now. If I did have any... I would not take the chance of president wanna be of NY... EVER getting my good ones. Thats If I had any...
Jan 18, 13 10:45 PM appended by joe hampton
Thats why the 10th amendment is the greatest of them all... Vote with you feet
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 18, 13 10:45 PM
You could always put something valuable safely in a water proof bag, in a hole in the ground a mile away from your home.But not anything Illegal. because that would be against the law. So you should be careful. If you are not sure if it is legal to bury an item you may want to keep safe consulate and attorney first. If it is a old clock or a favorite T shirt, I am sure it would be fine.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 18, 13 11:04 PM
I like the way you do business!! ;)
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 19, 13 3:08 PM
After announcing 23 executive orders to broaden gun control in America earlier this week, President Obama pressed Congress to institute an "assault weapons" ban to end incidents of violence in our nation.
The problem--"assault weapons" were tied to less than .012 percent of overall deaths in America in recent years (2011). And the 1994 "Assault Weapons Ban" (AWB) had a demonstrably small impact on overall crime in our country.

In fact, according to statistics compiled by criminology ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 18, 13 8:29 PM
"Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control."

By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 20, 13 12:13 AM
"The five worst mass killings, where a firearm was used, have a common thread. Hint #1: They didn’t belong to the NRA. They don’t fit the stereotype of the “red-neck” gun owner.

Check it out …

Ft Hood: Registered Democrat/Muslim.
Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.
Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff.
Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 20, 13 9:02 PM
GALLUP: Obama's 1st-Term Approval Rating Among Lowest of Post-WWII Presidents...
Only Carter, Ford Fared Worse...

and by the way, Nate Silver’s projection of a Seattle vs. New England Superbowl was not even close.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 21, 13 9:20 AM
Dnice, At least you don't get your facts from an ex vice pres who believes he created the Internet before going on to create lib tard Current TV than selling it to only and I QUOTE " a company with the same political ideology as us"

Who happened to be non other than the Osama Bin Laden clearing house Al Jazrrea, What a Joke
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 21, 13 11:56 AM
I have a fact for you to check. Why does Canada have millions of guns and a very low murder rates? It's our society and the liberal nonsense that goes on here. Why is Chicago the gun murder capital of the world and they have tough gun laws? It's society, violent movies, video games, and violence on TV.
By the way Phil since you are worried about murdered children how about the 150 THOUSAND BABIES KILLED BY ABORTION since the Newtown shootings? You and a couple others on this board are just ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 21, 13 8:59 AM
Amid the progressive onslaught aimed at undercutting the 2nd Amendment by focusing on hunting and shooting, Rasmussen has released a poll showing that 65% of respondents understand gun ownership was meant to ensure freedom from government tyranny.

When appearing on Piers Morgan Tonight, Breitbart's Ben Shapiro argued that Americans' "need" for weapons like the AR-15 was based in the "prospective possibility of resistance to tyranny," an argument host Piers Morgan tried to discredit as "absurd." ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 21, 13 9:24 AM
UD, Gotta Love "Boston" going down the tolet Nice call there Nate Silver, LOL

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. (CBS Connecticut/AP) — A fired-up Terrell Suggs ripped the New England Patriots following the Baltimore Ravens 28-13 AFC Championship win.
According to Yahoo! Sports’ Dan Wetzel, the Ravens linebacker had a few expletive-laden words directed at Bill Belichick and company.

“Tell them to have fun at the Pro Bowl. Arrogant f******,” Suggs said in the locker ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 22, 13 12:25 AM
BHO is the most hateful, divisive 'president' in History. I can't imagine how much Obama must hate this country to constantly spend his time pitting his fellow man against each other to further his Failed Ideology.Its Disgusting. For BHO there are only those he can steamroll, and those he can use. "Progressives" applaud President his fork-tongue as he expresses contempt for everything that ever made America unique and great; as he openly disdains fully one half of our citizenry, the half who ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 22, 13 6:04 AM
to Captn America:

Your presidential vote totals (and Slate's, if that's where you found them) are superannuated. When all the votes were finally counted, Obama won by 5,000,000 (4%.)*

Not a landslide but a decisive win.

*http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2012/2012presgeresults.pdf
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Jan 22, 13 10:14 AM
I think it is splitting hairs to argue landslide vs decisive. Obama whupped up on Romney. I believe I voted for the correct candidate and most did not. We had better concentrate on getting the latino vote or we may never win again and then we will have to rely on Congress having a R majority. I don't like that plan at all.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 13 2:13 PM
If the Republican Party does not distance itself from the Tea Party people, they are doomed.
The "middle of the road" voters will leave the Republican Party in droves. It is a matter of perception by the voters. When Romney came out with his 47% comments, he lost Social Security recipients, municipal retirees, military retirees, disabled vets and on and on.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 13 4:36 PM
OK Capt, keep that thought as the Republican parry goes down in flames. You actually think that the 5% can influence 51% of the voting public with extreme right wing ideas? You are a perfect exaple of why things are not working in Washington DC. Like it or not, the country is now leaning to the left. If the Republican hierarchy does not adjust, they are doomed. And if you don't see that, you are part of the problemt
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 12:06 AM
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By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 12:06 AM
Patriots of this country must realize what is going on so they can save America before it is too late.

Spend some time at Huffington Post, perhaps the best source for liberal, progressive and downright communist fodder... I personally feel I need to know who and what is behind the thinking of the drones like you Phil. I feel a burning curiosity how you can hate success and champion immoral behavior (In the case of the murder of the thousands of Innocent and precious baby's each day) and ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 22, 13 1:09 PM
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1.2 million babies extracted from the womb each year and thrown in a dumpster. Funny how liberals think that is ok. By the way Phil you said gun laws are stricter in Canada than here. That was your reasoning why gun violence was less. You should stop cutting and pasting and understand you need no permit for a long gun in Canada. All you need for a hand gun is a gun card which is just a letter from a police station that says you have good character and no felonies. Maybe in Canada they have a better ...more
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Jan 22, 13 1:16 PM
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Obama’s Gun Control Laws
January 21, 2013 3:59 PM
Election ReturnsJOHNSON COUNTY, Mo (KMOX) – As President Barack Obama continues to push gun control proposals in Washington D.C., Sheriff Charles M. Heiss, R-Johnson County is asking fellow law enforcers to sign and send this letter to the president.

The letter expresses concern with the Obama administration and the president’s gun control laws he laid out before Congress last week.

“It appears to ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 22, 13 1:33 PM
Please quote the section of the constitution that specifies abortion as a constitutional right, the way freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, and freedom of religion are.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jan 22, 13 3:18 PM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Jan 22, 13 3:18 PM
Reality, it was a 14th amendment issue.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 13 6:01 PM
Not exactly a mass shooting.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 13 6:00 PM
No, it counts but by definition it is not a mass shooting. But as usual I guess we go by whatever definition serves your argument.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 13 8:47 PM
For the love of all that is holy Mr Shaw, please end this thread.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 12:09 AM
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It would be preferable IMO to leave this thread as-is, so that this discussion will be limited to ONE article. If the doors are closed here, all kinds of OT (off-topic) posts will appear under MANY other articles.

What happened to the public discussion forums (unrelated to specific articles)? Perhaps they would be a productive outlet for further discussion which many others consider OT.

Stifling free speech here is not the solution, in my personal opinion.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Jan 23, 13 4:46 AM
PS -- If a reader is offended, bored, etc. by this thread, he or she is free to move on without further comment or need to look here again. Sometimes our prurient interests get the better of us?
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Jan 23, 13 4:48 AM
I don't think he is quoting that you said it. It's possible that he wrote that by your logic, because cops kill people with guns and that those numbers are included in your post that by default those guns should be taken away from cops. Kind of a stretch but maybe explains it no? I can see where it might look like he is putting words in your mouth.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 5:04 PM
Even as President Obama continues to proclaim that his administration forwards liberty around the globe, democracy apparently declined across the globe for the seventh consecutive year, according to the international watchdog Freedom House. Obama said in his second inaugural address that “We will support democracy from Asia to Africa; from the Americas to the Middle East, because our interests and our conscience compel us to act on behalf of those who long for freedom.”
According ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 23, 13 11:22 PM
The primitive lust for dominance, and power has nothing to do with it, eh?

History is the story of oppression. Free vs. slave, rich vs. poor, lord vs. serf, plebian vs. patricians, lower/middle class vs. oligarchy/aristocracy. It's all there for you to learn, should you choose to apply yourself.

2,000 years and people haven't changed much, only the backdrop has. The characters remain static, while the Universe continues dynamically in spite of humanity's lacking.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 24, 13 10:25 AM
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Z, You speak of a dynamic universe... one we will never get the chance to explore if we choose our current path. Spreading the puddle around so everyone can drink works for a short while... but in less we dig new wells the puddle will go dry.

Humanity's only hope in the long run is to get off this rock... and capitalism is the best path to that reality.

We should stop burdening success with the responsibility for the equal happiness of the masses. More entitlements come at the ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Jan 24, 13 11:41 AM
And, you've read my posts for what, 3 years?

I have said "smaller is better", and a general degree of uniformity is central. What you speak of is freedom of choice. We don't need "mega" anything. Specialization is extinction. Diversity is survival. And, unless a pair of continents weren't stripped bare by an astronomically large asteroid, we wouldn't be here. Think Yucatan.

Look at our inner cities. Look at our culture. Look how honesty is clothed in rags, and rascals are ...more
Jan 24, 13 9:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
I mean, how many brilliant mind have been squandered by "brain drain", because we reward the wrong type of success? Ideas as currency? That's an odd concept...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 24, 13 9:29 PM
And, by the way, if you want to cut entitlements, we could save a few TRILLION dollars every decade by eliminating subsidies to corporations. Corporations, their lobbyists, and special interests are the biggest welfare queens we've got. Companies which engage in such behavior, for example Amgen as of late, are proof "capitalism" needs to be saved from itself. Freedom is one thing, Anarchy is another, and there is no such thing as a "free market" in this country. Plato has been quoted as saying: ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 26, 13 2:55 AM
Nobody wants these senseless acts to end more than me. I know that every time one happens, aside from the senseless loss of life, we as gun owners are at risk of more legislation. I truly believe that the government's primary reason to disarm us is not to make the citizens safer but to make us weaker and they use these incidents to further their goal of gun control. More emphasis will be placed on actual restrictions than will be on improving mental health, personal responsibility or moderating ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 23, 13 8:13 PM
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“What difference does it make?
” Hillary Clinton shouted, her words echoing off the walls of the hearing room, outraged that a Senator would dare to ask why she spread the lie that a video provoked the terror attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. At that point, the presiding chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Bob Menendez (D-NJ), should have rapped the gavel sharply: “Madam Secretary, you are out of order.”
Perhaps that is too much to expect ...more
Jan 24, 13 9:42 AM appended by They call me
Obama on Pace to Be Most Polarizing President Yet The average party gap in ratings of President Obama during the four years of his presidency is 70 percentage points. If that average holds, it would surpass Bush's record 61-point average polarization during his eight-year presidency by a considerable margin.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 24, 13 9:42 AM
They weren't covered up, or blamed on a youtube video, and Bush wasn't kidding himself, or us, that he had al Queda on the run.
By smacw (176), New York on Feb 22, 13 5:15 PM
<----- How come you don't defend me and the 940 others just like me by the end of the day. All victims of assault speculums, Why Mr. Phil ? Why do I not matter like the 1173 you posted above?

Why? Mr Phil
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 24, 13 10:04 AM
Well , Sadly it is now 8 hours later and another 940 baby's have been discarded out of convenience.

So sad, and the silence is defining

Your 1173 gang bangers list seems so small, Doesn't it.

By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 24, 13 6:23 PM
Number Of Nation's Sheriffs Refusing To Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws Snowballs January 24, 2013

From Florida to California, a growing number of the nation's sheriffs are standing up to gun control measures proposed by both the administration and Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

Many law enforcement officials have written letters to President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden voicing their concerns over what they believe is an effort to infringe upon the Second Amendment.

In ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 25, 13 2:35 AM
$16,472,996,382,897

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009.

WOW!

Jan 25, 13 5:18 PM appended by They call me
I wonder if Miss K gives a dam about that!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 25, 13 5:18 PM
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United States M2 currency supply level:

Apporoximately 11.2 trillion dollars.

1913 value of a dollar: $1

2013 value of a 1913 dollar: $23.35

This means it requires 23x the number of greenbacks it used to, to get the same job done. Has your pay increased 700% in the last thirty years? No? I didn't think so. Maybe unions aren't overpaid. Maybe it's more likely that 2/3 of this country is severely underpaid. If minimum wage was adjusted via inflation, it should ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Jan 26, 13 3:11 AM
TCM maybe he should be asking High Hat Size that question since he seems to be condoning Jays actions in todays Patch.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Jan 25, 13 6:17 PM
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"DHS Asks for 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO Personal Defense Weapons Also Known as Assault Weapons

WASHINGTON, DC – DECEMBER 19: Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano

The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. The solicitation, originally posted on June 7, 2012, comes to light as the Obama administration is calling for ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Jan 26, 13 8:57 PM
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By They call me (1202), southampton on Jan 28, 13 5:53 PM
We can not depend on the government to protect us. Criminals are everywhere looking for their next victim. Even though the 2nd Admendment guarantees us the right to bear arms against a tyrannical government we must also be vigilant in our efforts to protect our families and property.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Jan 28, 13 6:54 PM
Don't tread on me. Baby!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 1, 13 9:22 PM
According to a new Pew Research poll, Americans are increasingly worried about the federal government violating their rights. The survey, conducted January 9-13, showed that 53 percent of Americans believe that the federal government “threatens their own personal rights and freedoms,” with 43 percent disagreeing. That is a significant uptick from March 2010, when just 47 percent said that the government threatened their freedom, with 50 percent disagreeing.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 1, 13 9:24 PM
Turkey Bridge said "There's a lot that Obama can do on this without Congress, just by executive orders. Wait for it"

I have waited and now it is time to proclaim you and Phil are ideological dreamers. Cheerleaders for the fascist state and the unions.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 2, 13 5:45 PM
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You are more of a progressive/socialist but BHO is more of a statest / fascist.

I no the difference do you?
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 4, 13 12:18 PM
144,675 Infants Slaughtered Since Sandy Hook
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 4, 13 3:51 PM
Phil as it is amusing to watch your "na na na na na" style of comunacation... I would like to pose to you a serious question. If you were (god forbid) King of the world.
Would you be willing to reverse Roe vs Wade incept of cases to save the life of the mother... In exchange for all Semi Autos and hand guns?
Feb 4, 13 6:15 PM appended by joe hampton
the bread crumb line was funny Z ... Phil I am going to the dog track for a few hours upon my return I will check in to see how you avoided answering my Muse
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 4, 13 6:15 PM
Reading all this was kinda' heavy.

Way I see it, a woman should have 8-10 weeks, or the availability of "Plan B".

Plan B simply duplicates what happens often in a woman's biology anyway, as a matter of menustration, and bad timing with hormones. Anything after 10 weeks, a choice needs to be made for rearing, or adoption. There are many an empty home thanks to "better living through chemistry" (bisphenol-A), and other environmental/biological factors.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 4, 13 6:30 PM
"Every gun that is made, every warship that is launched; every rocket fired signifies in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed."

~ President Dwight D. Eisenhower


Not the General...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 4, 13 8:35 PM
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1061 comments later and you are still singing the same tune.

Maybe this will help convince you...

Australian
Gun Law Update

Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts....
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 4, 13 11:21 PM
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By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 5, 13 2:30 PM
Your right, Please help MR Z get the word out to

China
Russia
Iran
Syria
North Korea

TO STOP FUNDING THESE TERROR GROUPS WHO WANT YOU DEAD

Al Qaeda
Hamas
Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine
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Palestine Liberation Front
Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades
Haqqani network
Flag of Jihad.svg
Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami
Hrikat-al-Jihad
al-Islami in Bangladesh
Aren anagrama Altsasun
ETA
The Taliban
The ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 2:40 PM
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I don't understand why the editor felt a need to censor here. A simple internet search of the alleged Australian author of the email will show that it has been around for over ten years and...is bogus. Good job, Joe.
By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 5, 13 2:45 PM
It is not all bogus VOS, I just read on Al Gores Internet parts of this are a bit miss leading due to context, Due to the fact that these statistics present only first year results and long term trends need to be considered in order to draw proper cause and effect conclusions. But not all of what Joe's quoted Police officer said is false. In any event

"When guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have guns"
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 5, 13 3:16 PM
Uhhh, dan...

The Regan Administration funded Osama bin Laden back in the '80's. In fact, they helped fund the founding of "Al Qaeda". In fact they also installed Saddam Hussein, and for that matter we've installed despots in multiple countries over the years. Gee, can't imagine why there are these groups of people who hate the United States. Heck, we even destroyed budding democracy installing dictators in a few cases.

Oh, and "entitlement" issues are for the propagandized ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 6, 13 8:01 PM
And joe, you may want to check out the Snopes article for the half truth, half bull**** Ed Chenel is full of...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 7, 13 10:15 PM
Mr Z. Sad but true post.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 13 10:59 PM
[expletive deleted]

I don't have enough bread crumbs to get home...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 4, 13 6:07 PM
Wow, Dan that was quite a list. I had no idea how many groups were out there who want to destroy us and our way of life. That list alone is the only reason anyone needs to justify semi automatic weapons.

With all the open borders one could easily imagine a scenario where your life could depend on it.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 5, 13 3:31 PM
Madness, Really you call protecting ourself from all criminals foreign and domestic Madness? Maybe you feel that way since you feel all cozy comfortable with this governments power grab and disregard for the United States Constitution.

Reporter Corners Carney: Why Is Obama For Drone Strikes And Against Water Boarding?

A reporter asked Jay Carney to explain the President's changing positions on human rights issues in war. The reporter asked, "The President strongly opposed the ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 5, 13 8:28 PM
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Every time there is a mass shooting event, People like Phil and the media go into action. I find it absolutely fascinating. The same usual suspects show up with the same tired proposals Trying to strip us of our rights.

They strike while the iron is hot, trying to push through legislation before there can be coherent thought. We’ve seen this over and over and over again. We saw it succeed in England. We saw it succeed in Australia. We’ve seen it succeed here before.

Yet ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 5, 13 7:04 PM
We missed you Joe,

No one can unmask Phil for what he is as fast as you do. You expose his true nature every time. lol

By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 6, 13 9:40 AM
I think Captain does a good job of it as well
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 6, 13 7:09 PM
Sounds like Tmorej what ever kind of name that is, had an A hole for a mother. Guns should be black and locked up, they are not cosmetics or accessories to a hand bag. Good Grief

Funny thing is If Tmorej's Mother murdered the child out of convenience before birth everyone would go about there business and Phil not being able to score political points would never bring up the "Tragic accident"

Sickening
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 7, 13 5:58 PM
Yep, but it's the gun's fault, not the irresponsible mother's.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 7, 13 9:58 PM
I beg your pardon, I am not looking forward to any such thing...Nor have I ever said anything remotely close .

Why do you fear a responsible citizen with a few rifles in a gun volt, It seems you are the paranoid one. I am promoting responsible gun ownership and you seem more concerned with me... than you do with the illegal hand gun problem. gun responsible for 96 percent of all murders in this country, guns in the hands of drug dealing gangsters.

Who is is more likely to pose ...more
Feb 10, 13 12:29 AM appended by joe hampton
Cap / Dan, Thank you for your support and please know his attempts to rattle me are laughable at best. At the moment I am in a state of blissful relaxation beyond his comprehension. IMO The Tri State area is a toilet. Its not till you get out for a while do you realize the apple is rotten to the core. Sure the Hampton's are a beautiful place in the Summer, but even then still Jealousy driven... a liberal / progressive and toxic environment. In comparison the South is still a place to say Good morning to a stranger, hold open a door for a lady and raise a family. IMO, The Unions are definitely the root of the problem, but it is much more than that... The race card being pulled every 5 min is a joke. Like I have stated in the past... In 20 years of being in business in Southampton I have had 1 Black man (Who has now been with me for 11 seasons) apply for a job... Why? Down hear it is so different, people of all colors respect each other.There is still a work ethic where people are willing to work their way up. A lot of women in NY seem to think they are something special. They present themselves like they are some sort of commodity. a lot of the younger one's seem to almost loath men, having abortions at the drop of the hat in order to insure they have 0 dependency on the men they are in fierce competition with.This results in a place where traditional family values are almost non existent. The level of trust between Colleague's and neighbor's is almost non existent in this envious, class warfare battle ground. the divorce and suicide rate is through the roof. It is a piece of hell complete with the White property destroying filth that fell from the sky on Friday. That said, you would have to ask yourself what kind of person wouldn't want to get away from the (Nanny Tri-State area) with all its lawsuits and welfare professionals.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 10, 13 12:29 AM
Since this is a second home location for most "Clients" I am sure they would agree with Joe.

I agree with Captain the depths you will descend to are shameful
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 10, 13 12:20 PM
Nobody cares about your opinion as proved by last election. Nobody wants your Archie Bunker version of life. The more you post, the more people are switching to the other side. You can enjoy your KKK meetings when you are in the south. You stay here just for the money,how pathetic.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Feb 10, 13 5:32 PM
Joe said,

Cap / Dan, Thank you for your support and please know his attempts to rattle me are laughable at best.

At the moment I am in a state of blissful relaxation beyond his comprehension.

IMO The Tri State area is a toilet.

Its not till you get out for a while do you realize the apple is rotten to the core. Sure the Hampton's are a beautiful place in the Summer, but even then still Jealousy driven... a liberal / progressive and toxic environment.

...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 11, 13 2:47 AM
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By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 10, 13 12:02 PM
That is an insult to weasels Dan.

I too am sure that Joe earned what he has. I too look forward to leaving the NE and finding a place of civility and like mindedness.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 13 3:07 PM
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The president of the American Federation of Government Employees says a one-percent increase is "absolutely unconscionable."

The head of the largest federal employee union said Saturday that President Obama's proposal to increase pay for federal employees by 1 percent was "simply not enough."

What part of US NATIONAL DEBT $16,473,868,838,119 doesn't he understand?

Well then let the layoffs begin.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 10, 13 12:16 PM
Krugman: NYT Sunday

"Corporations are Making So Much Money They Don't Know What To Do With It"

Well, one thing about it Krugman; whatever they are doing with it - its THEIR money and its NONE of YOUR business WHAT they do with it.It is up to the corporation and its shareholders to distribute the money and not to an idiot like Paul Krugaman.

He just about came out and said that the corporations should give all that money to the government !

Paul's not sure about ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 11, 13 5:09 PM
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Karl forgets who put the republicans in control of the House, one hint, it wasn't the GOP leaders. It was the tea party and Sarah Palin. Get out of our way Mr. Rove.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 5:23 PM
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Joe I love the way you beat his azz before the game even starts lol
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 11, 13 10:53 PM
Captain you earn your licks but make him look equally stupid
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 11, 13 10:55 PM
Dr. Ben Carson On Criticizing Obamacare: "Somebody Has To Stand Up To The Bullies"

DR. BENJAMIN CARSON: There are a group of people who would like to silence everybody and have everybody go along to get along, but that's not going to be very helpful for us in the long run, in terms of solving our problems. And somebody has to be courageous enough to actually stand up to, you know, the bullies.

DR. CARSON: There’s no question that [President Obama] has advocated, you know, ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 12, 13 10:32 AM
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The top 1% also takes home almost 50% of the nation's taxable income, and plenty more that isn't taxed.

He's a doctor, so shouldn't he know what a clinical psychotic reaction looks like? Oh, wait, you really shouldn't self diagnose...
Feb 12, 13 5:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
Google "Too much online"...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 12, 13 5:47 PM
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Haha Phil, c'mon man, that is not the definition of stalking. Cyber or otherwise.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 13 6:12 PM

The top 1% also takes home almost 50% of the nation's taxable income, and plenty more that isn't taxed...

And ?

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 12, 13 5:51 PM
How is that Cayman account of yours, joe?

It's self explanatory to the well informed.

Google is your friend...
Feb 12, 13 6:38 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, one of my employers.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 12, 13 6:38 PM
President Barack Obama will deliver his State of the Union address on Tuesday to a nation that disapproves of the way he is handling nearly every issue, including gun control and the federal deficit.
According to a Gallup poll, 42% of Americans approve of Obama's gun policies while 54% disapprove.

On taxes, 41% approve and 57% disapprove. On the economy, 39% approve and 60% disapprove. On "the situation in the Middle East between the Israelis and the Palestinians," 36% approve and ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:36 PM
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(CNSNews.com) – Since taking office in 2009, food stamp rolls under President Barack Obama have risen to more than 47 million people in America, exceeding the population of Spain.

“Now is the time to act boldly and wisely – to not only revive this economy, but to build a new foundation for lasting prosperity,” said Obama during his first joint session address to Congress on Feb. 24, 2009.

Since then, the number of participants enrolled in food stamps, known ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 12, 13 6:45 PM
Who is we Phil? You still haven't answered.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 13 6:14 PM
Who is "you people"? I think one poster brought that up.

"We already know that the republicans would rather starve poor people than feed them. They hate minorities,women,gays,the elderly and people who vote.
They are stepping up the war on women by opposing the VAWA.
The more they talk about no longer being the "party of stupid" the more they reveal themselves to continue it."

I don't think the 53% stand with you on that Phil. No way the 53% are that divisive. Speak ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 13 11:30 PM
Behold the rise of the Low Information Voter....be afraid.

He was elected...again....by the MSNBC the NYT, Huff Post, lowlifes, pedophiles,supporters of illegal immigration, militant gays, druggies, welfare professionals, communists - socialists, racist's, feminists and other jealous, spiteful, loser subgroups and he'll be lording over his realm for four years.
He will do his best to destroy America..which is what he and they want.

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 12, 13 7:07 PM
Who's destroying America? Here's some info, and it was a great read:

In this bracing, page-turning account of his stranger-than-fiction baptism into the corrupted ways of Washington, Neil Barofsky offers an irrefutable indictment, from an insider of the Bush and Obama administrations, of the mishandling of the $700 billion TARP bailout fund. In vivid behind-the-scenes detail, he reveals proof of the extreme degree to which our government officials bent over backward to serve the interests ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 12, 13 8:44 PM
I love the way Captain and Joe point out that all gays are not militant and all women are not abortion promoting feminists and any person of any color can be a racist. All descent hard working people with a sense of personal responsibility and love of country can join the Tea party, You will be welcomed with open arms.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 12, 13 10:17 PM
This was a better read

Fact Check: State of the Union 2013

President Barack Obama’s State of the Union address included few new or unexpected proposals, but many factually incorrect or misleading assertions. Here are the lowlights.
“Corporate profits have rocketed to all-time highs – but for more than a decade, wages and incomes have barely budged.” Wages and incomes may not always be the best measurement, because they leave out benefits, which have ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 13, 13 1:51 AM
Unfortunately dan, it has been proven that the "Tea Party" was formed by billionaires and "Big Tobacco" solely to disrupt the political, and electoral process. It has taken on some semblance of a life of it's own, but their goal was to instill fear and chaos.

It seems to have worked quite well.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 13, 13 6:23 AM
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If you have a problem with what the tea party stands for we have a problem with you. so why not go OCCUPY a different site, comrade
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 13, 13 8:04 AM
Rubio representing the tea-party reiterated the same old republican ideas that lost the last election. Their knee-jerk reaction is to have a hispanic spout their ideals. I guess if they close the latino vote they will win the next election. Rubio was gutless on CBS morning show. He's one and done as savior of republican party. Get some water and you should have done debate club in high school ,as he was way out of his league. Come back when you have some fresh ideas or any ideas at all.
By Mets fan (414), Southampton on Feb 13, 13 8:29 AM
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Rubio: America One Of Few Places Where 'Dreams...Have A Chance'

Well said Mr Rubio, I not being born here can testify to that.

"Tonight, all across this land, parents will hold their newborn children in their arms for the first time. For many of these parents, life has not gone the way they had planned. Maybe they were born into circumstances they’ve found difficult to escape. Maybe they’ve made some mistakes along the way. Maybe they’re young mothers, all alone, ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 13, 13 10:36 AM
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Mr Rubio brought a tear to my eye, when he said:

"America is exceptional because we believe that every life, at every stage, is precious" I wish Jennifer Morbelli had had the chance to heard Mr. Rubios speech, If only,

On Feb. 7th, 29-year old Jennifer Morbelli died due to complications from a late-term abortion performed by Dr. LeRoy Carhart, an abortion doctor celebrated by the left and embraced by Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.

We Pray For her soul and most of all the ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 13, 13 11:11 AM
Fail.... MR. Z said... How is that Cayman account of yours, joe?
It's self explanatory to the well informed.

That would be like me stating that your last name was Zuccotti and they really renamed Liberty Plaza Park. because you live there in a tent.

Please get a clue... How dare you slander my name like that other gnat you congregate with... Where is your proof... Your remarks are foolish and spiteful as well as out right fabrication. You have my permission to state what you ...more
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 13, 13 10:21 AM
It's called sarcasm.

I don't think I need to define that for you.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 13, 13 7:46 PM
Fair enough
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 13, 13 8:58 PM
Each time someone in America is killed using a gun owned by a non-career criminal, the press calls for new gun control measures. But when citizens are killed by gun-wielding criminals, the media is nowhere to be found. Another case like that just occurred in Miami, where 36-year-old Maurice Harris was murdered while trying to protect his 11-year-old daughter. “He was my husband of 16 years,” said his wife. “He meant everything to me.”

According to police, two armed ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 13, 13 9:09 PM
A pregnant 16-year-old girl known as R.E.K. and hailing from Texas is suing her parents. But she’s not suing because her parents are trying to prevent her from getting an abortion. She’s suing because she says her parents are trying to force her to get an abortion.

According to the complaint, “R.E.K., plaintiff, is a 16-year-old girl, who is nine (9) weeks pregnant. She does not want an abortion but her mother and father are attempting to coerce her to have an abortion.” ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 13, 13 9:54 PM
New York City Mayor Bloomberg to announce he wants to ban Styrofoam
New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who has fought against smoking, big sugary drinks, and salty food during his tenure, is setting his sights on a new foe: Styrofoam.
Bloomberg plans to use part of his Thursday State of the City address to push for a ban on Styrofoam food packaging. He also will call for increase the number of parking spaces only for electric cars. If you cant get the people to go along with a coffee ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 14, 13 12:19 PM
At least we finally agree on something
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 14, 13 9:22 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 15, 13 4:41 PM
Google me:

How HSBC hooked up with drug traffickers and terrorists. And got away with it.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 14, 13 5:26 PM
Wow, UD You aren't kidding I just read this on Real Clear Pol.
Scary stuff , wow

During a Google+ Hangout responding to a question about immigration, President Barack Obama made a stunning remark:

"This is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency," said Obama. "The problem is that I’m the president of the United States, I’m not the emperor of the United States.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 15, 13 4:46 PM
Very scary stuff indeed
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 16, 13 12:05 AM
Scary is an understatment... If he is not careful he will have demoted himself by coming down from a messiah

The problem is he is a liar and tragedy exploiter. A disgrace and a failure on every conceivable level

This is the second time in the history of the USA we have a person who wants to be President for Life. FDR and now BHO

By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 16, 13 6:42 AM
FDR was re-elected by the people of this nation, and apparently they felt he did the job well enough to deserve their vote.

He is regarded by scholars across the board as one of the top three presidents of all time. Everything from the New Deal, his push to prevent bankers from PURPOSEFULLY crashing the economy again with Glass-Steagall (which they did AGAIN, less than a decade after the GLBA), to his handling of WW II was not only more than adequate, it was done by a man who was physically ...more
Feb 17, 13 11:55 AM appended by Mr. Z
And that quote is not only incomplete, you don't even comprehend the context of it. In fact, you excoriate the man for at best what you THINK, or worst what you are TOLD TO THINK it means. No wonder this country is looking like CTD should be scrawled on it's charts.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 17, 13 11:55 AM
On Thursday, Barack Obama told teachers in Decatur, GA that he was in favor of making school mandatory for children from the age of four, declaring, "The size of your paycheck shouldn't determine your child's future. So let's fix this. Let's make sure none of our kids start out the race of life a step behind."

Can you say free tax payer funded DAYCARE!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 16, 13 6:32 AM
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How does one make sure people "ar" stupid?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 13 11:29 PM
It's a real art.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 17, 13 6:09 AM
Keep talking Phil
you just might talk me into staying down here and retiring 20 years early.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 17, 13 11:06 AM
Still Amazed by this...

This is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency. The problem is that I’m the president of the United States, I’m not the emperor of the United States.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 17, 13 9:55 AM
What is it about "right wingers" and their incessant misuse, and abuse of soundbites, and quotes? This answer was in reference to deportation, and illegal immigration. Like the man said, he's not the emperor and plays the hand he's dealt. However, people of a certain ilk criticize him like he has the powers of an emperor, and fails to use them. Pathetic.

“This is something I’ve struggled with throughout my presidency. The problem is that I’m the president of the United ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 17, 13 11:45 AM
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C'mon Z, both left and right are guilty of that one.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 13 12:11 PM
Ar-ful dodgers, all . . .
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 17, 13 12:16 PM
Its the notion that he conceives it to be a "problem"He hates the system of government we have it is obvious in his disrespect for congress and the constitution and bill of rights. He has a smug and narcissistic style of governing, in a constant state of campaigning, Appointing Czars, his abusive use of executive orders. and bullying style. Where is the transparency of government he promised ???
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 17, 13 3:20 PM
Yet again, failure to garner context.

The rest of it goes like this:

"Congress right now has not changed what I consider to be a broken immigration system. And what that means is that we have certain obligations to enforce the laws that are in place, even if we think that in many cases the results may be tragic."

This society has become worse than a bad joke.
Feb 17, 13 4:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
We have bigger problems. Google me: How the Ruling Banking Elite Control the World, and just watch it. Maybe it will sink in, maybe it won't, but maybe you'll understand who is actually in control and it could whet your appetite for more.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 17, 13 4:11 PM
Good stuff Z. Just finished watching it. Makes me more resolute that I am not giving up my right to defend myself.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 13 6:57 PM
The best defense in this day and age is education. Having a gun, sure it could help you one day. BUT, and education is a non-violent weapon that will help you every day of your life.

The next "revolution" will not be fought with firearms. It will be fought with a quill, jurisprudence, and it will be against those who use the "Almighty Dollar" as a weapon. And, the only way it will happen is if enough people come to realize how badly they are being ******, and stand up against those ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 17, 13 7:25 PM
Phil, there are 7 to 10 regular posters in this thread and you think that their posts are indicative of society as a whole or that they are enough of a pool from which to theorize anything?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 13 11:14 PM
How goes the capturing of smoke in the net, dnice?
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 6:23 AM
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By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 11:03 AM
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That's ok, I'm sure Phil has my post saved somewhere.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 6:36 PM
Not well PBR, not well. I guess I am a glutton for punishment.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 7:05 PM
Yeah, even that loon escaped from the net!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 7:55 PM
Something strange is going on. Federal non-military agencies have bought two billion rounds of ammunition in the last 10 months. The Obama Administration says that federal law enforcement agents need the ammunition for “mandatory quarterly firearms qualifications and other training sessions.”
Radio show host Mark Levin is suspicious. He commented:

To provide some perspective, experts estimate that at the peak of the Iraq war American troops were firing around 5.5 million ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 4:25 PM
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Expian the facts phil. Stop playing school yard games and explain the facts. 2 Billion rounds of ammunition?
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:31 PM
200,000 babies thrown in a dumpster since the Newtown killings via abortion. What kind of society is this to kill a baby because a woman is in denial? Sure guns are dangerous in the wrong hands, but abortion in just a cop out for people that are irresponsible.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:18 PM
Dan has had that angle covers for 2 months chief, but glad you agree.

I hope you don't expect Phil to see the point your trying to make, its like trying to soak up water with a rock
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:28 PM
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You are the extremist, and its sad you think you can con the world.
The writing is on the wall and you and your kind will not be getting away with it!

You should have waited another 15 years before you made your play there are still enough patriots around who remember history.

No one is confiscating firearms and to believe so is to display an extreme case of paranoia.
By dagdavid (555), southampton on Feb 14, 13 12:04 PM

Really,
Obama's Justice Department: ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:23 PM
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OK, at the risk of mixing metaphors -- here we go down the Rabbit Hole, Toto!

The basic facts would help with an adult discussion of this. In a brief search of the Internet, it appears that this is a purchasing issue for ammunition over the span of many years. Anyone who knows how to navigate the Federal Register could probably find the actual HSD, ICE and OAM [Office of Acquisition Management] purchasing requests.

From Fox News:

____________________________________________

"Federal ...more
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:38 PM
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Yeah, not really a big deal. people complain if the gov't spend too much money and complains when they try to save some.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 6:38 PM
Federal non-military agencies have bought two billion rounds of ammunition in the last "10 MONTHS" or did you miss that.

The US government is no longer about the people, it's the largest most corrupt organization in the world.

How disturbing is this,

In a mistake that probably wasn’t a mistake, a Washington state bill sponsored by liberal Democrats contained covert provision that would have called for the police to have the right to search private citizens’ ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 18, 13 5:48 PM
That would never happen UD, for a lot of reasons.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 6:40 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

No Liberal would propose a law that infringed 4th Amendment rights. Democrats and Republicans, on the other hand, both favor the curtailment of rights based on personal preference. Neither has a principled objection.
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Feb 18, 13 6:42 PM
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to Captn America:

The proposed law on its face is a violation of the 4th Amendment. There is no "plain sight" exception because there is no right to enter, period. Undocumented Democrat refers to both "liberal Democrats" (whatever that means) and "Liberal lawmakers". I don't know what the former class would do but the latter would never contemplate proposing such a law that acts as if the 4th Amendment doesn't exist. (Of course, even were it signed into law, it would be rejected unanimously ...more
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Feb 18, 13 11:30 PM
It took me 2 years to cobble my PC together, it's Lo-Jacked, and blows any Speccy report you could provide away.

Consdering how long this page takes to load, how in the H-E-double hockey sticks has this "thread" not crashed the server?

On a lighter note:

Google me: Too Much Online
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 18, 13 9:36 PM
No offense, my friend...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 18, 13 9:47 PM
There is no derision when all things factor into equation.

Y'know what the funny ting about life is?

The equation never adds up...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 18, 13 10:49 PM
Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one.
Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like sex? Don't do it.
Don't like drugs? Don't do them.
Don't like gay marriages? Don't get one.
Don't like porn? Don't watch it.
Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
Don't like YOUR rights taken away?

THEN, DON'T TAKE AWAY SOMEONE ELSE'S.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 18, 13 9:56 PM
On a lighter, lighter note:

Let no man's freedom, impinge upon the freedom of another.

No harm, NO FOUL.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 18, 13 10:18 PM
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Rock on Z
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 13 11:50 PM
You guys are getting too lighthearted here!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 19, 13 6:08 AM
It's really nothing "new".

I have a long career of what one would call "civil disobedience"...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 19, 13 8:22 PM
I like the new and improved Libertarian Mr Z
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 19, 13 9:00 AM
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This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 19, 13 9:05 AM
LOOK THREE BELLS
I HIT THE PROGRESSIVE JACKPOT
NOW I CAN PAY OFF PART OF THE $$$16,473,867,889,987 NATIONAL DEBT!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 19, 13 9:16 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
Feb 19, 13 10:41 AM appended by joe hampton
which by the way
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 19, 13 10:41 AM
Mr. Z I love your new tone and agree with your list of don'ts accept for the abortion one, because the baby should have rights as well. but all in all EXCELLENT post.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 19, 13 11:20 AM
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Ok let me try this a different way
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 19, 13 11:55 AM
Joe, no matter how nicely you try and put it this nanny site is not going to let you publicly define Phil's true nature.

You should have just kept it simple and said it like Dnice

Ignore him and his MSNBC / Daily Kos Talking points and let him argue with himself!
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 19, 13 12:26 PM
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I can get behind that !!!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 19, 13 1:01 PM
I would imagine he loves the way you all fawn over him!

Nothing fuels a dramatic personality more than unlimited attention, and you guys supply it in spades . . .
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 19, 13 1:01 PM
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I agree with you on issues of suport ing for the unions and obama

but why are you so into this abortion thing my sister had too and it has messed her up in the head for years. It is a baby in thier you know. it is not a eazy think to talk about for her she is never been the same
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Feb 19, 13 1:27 PM
I dont know maybe the choice is to avalible I dont see to many people puting her down its da opist she is always saying that people made it to eazy to do and blames herself for not standing up to friends and family that kinda talked her into it.She says they stole her life by making her not see to clear and blames my other sister for telling her she needs to do this and stay strong. she is very biter and sad/ it was a bad choice i thing
By local 84 (174), riverhead on Feb 19, 13 2:56 PM
Yep, you know I agree PBR but this topic is pretty important to me so I find it hard not to try to change minds even though I know it is an exercise in impossible.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 13 4:30 PM
Hey Phil is it also a personal decesion to murder your own children? They are yours correct? Why should it make a differance if they are 5 months in the womb or 2 years old out of the womb? I doubt the founding fathers would ever allow anything like an abortion to be conducted.
Of course woman feel bad after an abortion, because it is not normal and is un natural.
By chief1 (1534), southampton on Feb 19, 13 4:43 PM
84, Men like philathome should back off !

Your sister made a mistake and you need to let her know the pain she is feeling shows her true hart.She needs to know God will forgive her.

Most likely your other sister has made the same mistake and after it was over felt less guilty, at least that was my experience.

Everyone really knows that life begins at conception, everyone who has ever been involved in abortions, at some level, has a bad conscience--or at least a nagging ...more
By Erin 27 E (358), southampton on Feb 19, 13 5:58 PM
to Erin 7 E:

How duplicitous of you to use a poster's sincerely expressed concern for his siblings as a rationale for the exposition of your personal creed.

Other than the fact that abortion may leave psychological scars, nothing that you said it true.

I, too, hope that local 84's sisters recover from their trauma and I'm sorry if they yielded to social pressure to undergo the procedure but I'm not about to judge them. As for god, if he is the loving, compassionate and ...more
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Feb 19, 13 6:54 PM
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Who doesn't love Bill Hicks?

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while. Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, "Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?" And other people have remembered, and they come back ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 19, 13 9:25 PM
I am not judging the mans sisters one bit.
Do you notice it is all men championing the merits of the "procedure" as you callously refereed to it.

Women know in there hart its a dark thing.They know it was a child in a way a man cannot conceive. You feel empty and alone after wards in a way that is not describable. Who are you to lecture me.
To many men trying to get out of child support and to many grandmothers and sisters who do not want to help with a child. Problem is for the ...more
By Erin 27 E (358), southampton on Feb 19, 13 10:44 PM
Hey Hat Head why don't you pick on someone you own size.

First you defend Jay Sears and then call this young lady a liar.

You are one of a kind.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 20, 13 12:58 AM
well mr. philathome i can only hope god forgives her, and me.
By Erin 27 E (358), southampton on Feb 20, 13 10:46 AM
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By Erin 27 E (358), southampton on Feb 20, 13 2:55 PM
This thread isn't about abortion.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 13 7:41 PM
"Conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, decrying America's demonization of guns, is predicting that the parade of new gun control laws, cheered on by President Obama, will hit the Supreme Court soon, possibly settling for ever the types of weapons that can be owned.

Scalia, whose legacy decision in the 2008 case of District of Columbia vs. Heller ended the ban on handguns in Washington, D.C., suggested that the Constitution allows limits on what Americans can own, but the only example he ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 13 7:50 PM
Nobody said it was about hunting. Scalia mentions hunting in the article but never said it had anything to do with the 2A. All Scalia said is that the court is almost certainly going to get cases that ask it to further define what limits on the 2d Amendment are permissible (and all but the most radical agree some limit is permissible, since no one I know advocates that private citizens can't be barred from possessing an atom bomb), and when those cases get there, the court will decide.

He ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 13 9:05 AM
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Back at it dnice? Have you considered what "at home" Searsian pleasures might be derived from morphing the printouts of your deleted posts?

Let the fawning resume!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 20, 13 9:42 AM
"Supporting a woman's right to choose" (murder)

"To dictate to others that they should fall in line with the desires of those who oppose that right" (to kill out of convenience)

"But I think most women can make their own decisions."(whether or not to murder)

A person can seek advice and guidance,but the final determination. (on termanation of said babys life)

Your a hypocrite about being a hypocrite.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 20, 13 8:36 AM
Financial research firm Lombard St. Research reported “unemployment is about to rise above 8% again. On Fri. BHO conceded his policies to address climate change will raise energy costs, and could prove uncomfortable for some. BHO has admitted supporting price-raising energy policies. In 2008, Obama said he was fine with soaring energy prices so long as they helped curb green house gas emissions. “Under my plan electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” he said.
To be ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 20, 13 9:25 AM
Energy costs don't mean anything, if there's not a habitable biosphere to live in.

Most oil reserves were created 250 million years ago during the "Great Dying". It was a mass extinction caused by the planet becoming a greenhouse. The planet was so hot, the seas at the Poles were choked with seaweed, the oceans went anoxic, and over 90% of the life on the planet died out.

We have now burned the vast majority of that carbon in just over a century, and tacked on some of the coal ...more
Feb 21, 13 3:06 AM appended by Mr. Z
And no, dinosaurs didn't create oil. They aren't ancient enough. But, some oil is "abiotic" and formed by chemical reactions deep inside the mantle of the Earth by reactions with subducted water, calcium carbonate, and iron oxide, at high temperature, and pressure.
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 21, 13 3:06 AM
It just occurred to me... with the kind of stubborn the 8 of us posses we could run some business together...To bad we would kill each other before we could conquer Apple.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 20, 13 1:36 PM
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Ditto to phil, literally!
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 20, 13 3:38 PM
Had to chuckle.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 13 6:28 PM
JAY LENO: Hey, over the weekend, President Obama, you know that, President Obama played golf with Tiger Woods. And Tiger said the president was a very good golfer for a guy who only plays five days a week.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 20, 13 10:22 PM
And Dwight Eisenhower, much like John Boehner (Boehner tole Golf Digest he plays at least 100 times a year) in reality played over 800 rounds, in 8 years.

Obama, around 120 in just over four. I guess that's why the punchline isn't the only joke...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 21, 13 2:35 AM
$16,540,998,878,373

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009



By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 21, 13 11:18 AM
Fiat, fake as paiste dollars printed in the last twenty years, approximately 25 trillion.

There is a correllation...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 21, 13 12:36 PM
"Money is a mirror of civilization. Throughout history, whenever we find good, reliable non inflated money, we almost always find a strong, healthy civilization. Whenever we find unreliable, inflated money, we almost always find a civilization in decay" - Richard J. Maybury
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 13 12:38 AM
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Whole lot o' hair splittin'. And budgets never stopped congress from exceeding them, even if the law requires them. Fact is debt is growing at further $1 trill+ annual deficits for the foreseeable future. Its not only the Dems fault, most GOP with a few exceptions are not fiscal or constitutional conservatives, its just that the Donkey party is that much more irresponsible, particularly with Obama leading the charge.

Debt is almost 100% of GDP. You cannot grow out of that kind of debt/gdp ...more
Feb 22, 13 11:35 AM appended by smacw
Sorry, this got in to the wrong forum somehow Moderator feel free to delete
By smacw (176), New York on Feb 22, 13 11:35 AM
Seems I am in the right place

Whole lot o' hair splittin'. And budgets never stopped congress from exceeding them, even if the law requires them. Fact is debt is growing at further $1 trill+ annual deficits for the foreseeable future. Its not only the Dems fault, most GOP with a few exceptions are not fiscal or constitutional conservatives, its just that the Donkey party is that much more irresponsible, particularly with Obama leading the charge.

Debt is almost 100% of GDP. You ...more
Feb 22, 13 12:05 PM appended by smacw
Back on original topic, If we have a collapse everybody will need to arm themselves
By smacw (176), New York on Feb 22, 13 12:05 PM
$16,541,070,182,133

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009


By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 21, 13 4:00 PM
MY GOD, In just 5 hours

This is a runaway train, Phil are you blind we are doomed and you continue to make excuses.

GOOD GOD MAN, WAKE UP!
Feb 21, 13 4:12 PM appended by 27dan
FOUR MORE YEARS - Because $16T in debt wasn't enough
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 21, 13 4:12 PM
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Listen, this debt is greater than Obama.

In electrical theory, there is an inverse proportion of voltage, to amperage. If you double the voltage, you cut the required amperage in half. That is, if you run a tool at 8 amps, at 120 volts, if you run it at 240 it will draw 4 amps. Just a rough measurment, but close enough for government work.

The wilder the printing press has run, the wilder the debt has spun out of control. There is an inverse proportion between the debt generated, ...more
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 21, 13 7:29 PM
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Your not going to take the house back in 2014...

BHO got re elected on media bias and the cult of personality. The blacks voted for him because he is black and the students because its cool to spite your parents. You will still have woman and the old people are split 50 /50... not enough to offset the kind of politically savvy and educated voter that shows up on a off year election...Thanks for playing
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 21, 13 8:07 PM
Phil said "In the narrowest technical sense" A serious qestion... Are you insane?
What part of $16,541,070,182,133 dont you comprehend ! Say it out loud $16,541,070,182,133

Under President Obama's stewardship, the national debt has grown by more than $4 billion per day, $170 million per hour, $2.8 million per minute and more than $47,000 per second... In my book with interest thats F%*#@D.

Bible says, "Borrowers are slaves to the lender"
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Feb 21, 13 4:29 PM
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NYT: Soledad O'Brien Officially Out at CNN

Thank the Lord!!! Maybe Al Jazeera has a opening!

Bu Bye.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 21, 13 7:52 PM
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to joe hampton:

The fact is that the extremist Republican political wave that bore folks like you (and their candidates) along crested at the 2010 election and broke in 2012. It is now retreating precipitously, leaving behind a flotsam of stunned and forlorn True Believers, while the impending tsunami of popular democracy swells that will sweep the autocratic Republican party, House members and all, into the abyss of 2014.

The Republican National Committee has recognized this ...more
By highhatsize (2324), East Quogue on Feb 22, 13 12:50 AM
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Well said IMO. Mark these words: "popular democracy swells . . . 2014." The rest of the post is prescient too.
By PBR (4417), Southampton on Feb 22, 13 5:05 AM
"Believer's Syndrome".

The inability to accept you've been scammed...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 22, 13 6:33 AM
Don't forget fear of Phil.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 13 8:42 PM
"The problem is not that people are taxed too little, the problem is that government spends too much. - The great Ronald Reagan
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 22, 13 9:28 PM
The GLBA, secret letters to the CFTC, and the behavior of the "free marketeers" was a "Liberal" policy?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 23, 13 10:34 PM
$16,541,875,122,198

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009


By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 22, 13 10:29 AM
"Money is a mirror of civilization. Throughout history, whenever we find good, reliable non inflated money, we almost always find a strong, healthy civilization. Whenever we find unreliable, inflated money, we almost always find a civilization in decay"

~ Richard J. Maybury

By dnice (510), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 13 12:38 AM
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 22, 13 6:26 PM
There you go again sounding all libertarian.

There may just be hope for you some day, But you pal is about as shot as it gets.

We should audit the fed, institute a fair tax and go back on the gold standard immediately.
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 22, 13 8:39 PM
I read that book on your recommendation I think.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 13 8:42 PM
Obviously TCM hasn't absorbed most of what I've had to say in the last four years.

Always found this a bit inspiring:

"The system assumes a certain minimum level of ethical behavior and civic instinct over and above what is spelled out by the regulations. If those ethics are absent — well, this thing isn't going to work, no matter what we do. Sure, mugging old ladies is against the law, but it's also easy. To prevent it, we depend, for the most part, not on cops but on people ...more
Feb 23, 13 1:27 AM appended by Mr. Z
The Georgist explanation, in his posthumous work "The Science of Political Economy" published in 1905, Henry George traced the many financial crises in the USA, and the world in the 19th century to bank lending practices linked to asset bubbles in the market for land. As land is a scarce resource, it lends itself to rampant speculation, especially when you have a fiat currency based economy inflating the price of everything instead of a resource, or gold standard based economy. The speculative bubble bursts when the banks run out of money and can no longer lend for such speculative investments. Bank insolvencies follow as the asset price drops and speculators are unable to pay back the loans. This is similar to subsequent speculative bubbles in other asset markets, including equity and mortgages. In short, this is not a theory of economic collapse in a proper form, but an explanation of shortcomings in bank lending and monetary policy as a cause of financial crisis and economic collapse. The excessive cost of everything, has quite a bit to do with a clandestine letter between former CFTC head Laurie Ferber and a Goldman-Sachs subsidiary called J. Arons which fundamentally altered the definition of a speculator, and allowed what should be a physical hedger to bet like asylum escapees on commodities effectively turning our markets into casinos. And, the massive money printing didn't help either...
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 23, 13 1:27 AM
We should audit the fed, institute a fair tax and go back on the gold standard immediately

Really now, what did I say there that you disagree with?
Feb 23, 13 2:11 AM appended by They call me
Tag your it!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 23, 13 2:11 AM
"There you go again sounding all libertarian.

There may just be hope for you some day..."

We are past a gold standard being a viable use of a valuable resource in this world. Especially considering how valuable gold is as a resource for interplanetary travel. Check out the newest breed of bacteria, Cupriavidus metallidurans, and you'll understand why gold could be so plentiful, it would be worthless.

The only real economic solution which would allow humanity to succeed ...more
Feb 23, 13 7:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
Do you really think this is the last type of bacteria we will find that has the ability to s**t gold?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 23, 13 7:24 AM
Sure Mr. Z what ever you say.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 23, 13 10:59 AM
Pure dihydrogen monoxide is a precious resource as well...
Feb 24, 13 10:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
"The thought of eliminating money still troubles us, but consider this: If a group of people with gold, diamonds and money were stranded on an island that had no resources such as food, clean air and water, their wealth would be irrelevant to their survival. It is only when resources are scarce that money can be used to control their distribution. One could not, for example, sell the air we breathe or water abundantly flowing down from a mountain stream. Although air and water are valuable, in abundance they cannot be sold. Money is only important in a society when certain resources for survival must be rationed and the people accept money as an exchange medium for the scarce resources. Money is a social convention, an agreement if you will. It is neither a natural resource nor does it represent one. It is not necessary for survival unless we have been conditioned to accept it as such." ~ "The Future We Want" Project
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 23, 13 10:36 PM
Now were getting somwhere!
Firearms Companies Restricting Sales To GOVERNMENT Agencies In Areas That Restrict Gun Rights
February 22, 2013
A growing number of firearm and firearm-related companies have stated they will no longer sell items to states, counties, cities and municipalities that restrict their citizens' rights to own them.
According to The Police Loophole, 34 companies have joined in publicly stating that governments who seek to restrict 2nd Amendment rights will themselves ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 22, 13 9:14 PM
Please post back with the first purchase order that is turned down. Until then your source is blowing smoke where the sun doesn't shine.

Whooooo haaaa!
By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 22, 13 11:02 PM
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Do some research VOS. There are indeed a large number of companies that are not going to sell to the gov in states that restrict sales to it's residents. Whether or not its going to make a difference is unknown but I appreciate the solidarity.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 13 12:29 AM
Research to date reveals absolutely zero government orders refused by any company making idle threats because they are simply...idle threats by corporate windbags. But, please, any of you who can show us a pertinent refused purchase order or RFQ feel free to shout it from the treetops. Talk is cheap.
By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 26, 13 1:20 PM
Wow Vos, a whole 3 days and you can't find any evidence. Well it must be a farce then.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 13 9:16 PM
Order Watch wants to know...Have any of these blowhards turned down a t, government contract yet? While we're at it,ahve any of those blowhard chain restaurant owners actually added the "Obamacare Surcharge" to their customers' bills?
By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 27, 13 11:59 PM
Order watch? Is that headquartered in mom's basement?
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 13 12:58 AM
Come on now, DN; between you and Cap, Dan, UD and Call or anybody else, somebody must have seen a refused order or a real surcharge added to a restaurant tab. Or is it possible that the blowhards have gone beyond making these claims tohaving their minions touting these bogus claims on websites like this one?
By VOS (673), WHB on Feb 28, 13 4:24 PM
A letter from Wilson Combat

Wilson Combat will no longer provide any products or services to any State Government imposing legislation that infringes on the second amendment rights of its law abiding citizens. This includes any Law Enforcement Department, Law Enforcement Officers, or any State Government Entity or Employee of such an entity. This also applies to any local municipality imposing such infringements.

States currently included in our No-Sale Policy are:
California
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 13 6:33 PM
So you still can't show an order for a single pack of BB's that was refused by anybody on that list? Bloviation runs wild!
By VOS (673), WHB on Mar 1, 13 3:36 AM
Now you are just being obtuse.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 13 8:41 AM
Fascism
From Wikipedia,
Fascism (pron.: /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism.[1][2] Fascists seek to unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 23, 13 10:26 AM
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Sure sounds like Barack Hussein Obama to me, Thanks TCM
Feb 23, 13 10:57 AM appended by 27dan
Rand Paul: Cut Foreign Aid From Countries Burning Our Flag: "I would say is that I would start by cutting foreign aid from countries that are burning our flag and chanting 'death to America,' countries that don't really seem to be acting like our allies." Bravo sir, its Amazing how simple these things are and how long we've been deprived of leaders who think clearly.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 23, 13 10:57 AM
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Corporate fascism, you ignoramus.
Feb 25, 13 5:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 25, 13 5:27 PM
"Say goodbye to that 2-liter bottle of Coke with your pizza delivery, pitchers of soft drinks at your kid’s birthday party and some bottle-service mixers at your favorite nightclub"

Not one word of that is true.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Feb 24, 13 12:44 PM
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$16,543,636,669,535

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009



By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 25, 13 1:10 AM
Oregon is the latest state to draft legislation that puts major restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. House Bill 3200’s summary states the “crime of unlawful possession or transfer of assault weapon or large capacity magazine” is punishable “by maximum penalty of 10 years’ imprisonment, $250,000 fine, or both.”
The entire first part of the bill tries to define an assault weapon. The definition will hinge upon one or more of the items in a list of cosmetic additions. ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 25, 13 4:01 AM
Military tracer rounds cause raging fire and explosions at Texas gun range


Any questions?
By Mr. Z (6844), North Sea on Feb 25, 13 5:33 PM
The current price of tea in China is: ¥ 6.98
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 25, 13 6:27 PM
lol
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Feb 25, 13 6:35 PM
$16,583,244,947,210

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009


By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 26, 13 3:04 AM
"Say goodbye to that 2-liter bottle of Coke with your pizza delivery, pitchers of soft drinks at your kid’s birthday party and some bottle-service mixers at your favorite nightclub"

Not one word of that is true.

By But I'm a blank! (175), Hampton Bays on Feb 24, 13 12:44 PM

I guess by now you know it was true


By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 7:37 PM
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Taking a big bite out of a crow sammich.
By But I'm a blank! (938), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 13 8:45 PM
Not necessary You have me confused with Phil.

Just cant believe this guy who the hell dose he think he is its government gone wild!
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Feb 26, 13 11:03 PM
Democrats complain about presence of debt clock on Capitol Hill
7:26 PM 02/26/2013
Some members of Congress apparently don’t like to be reminded about how much debt the country continues to rack up.
During a House Financial Services Committee hearing Tuesday on the budget, two Democrats complained about two monitors in the hearing room that display a real-time running national debt clock.
California Rep. Maxine Waters and Minnesota Rep. Keith Ellison both issued complaints ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Feb 27, 13 1:50 AM
Popular Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned Under Proposed Bill

DENVER (CBS4) – A popular hunting shotgun could be banned under one of the bills moving through the state Capitol.

A pump or semi-automatic shotgun is the gun most hunters in Colorado use. It’s a gun state Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, says could be banned under a bill that’s already passed the House and Gov. John Hickenlooper says he’ll sign.

“They’re coming after the standard ...more
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Mar 2, 13 10:52 AM
Why is it so important for liberals to disarm us and take away out 2nd amendment rights to defend ourselves. why do they loath our Independence so. I dare not say it out loud. No I will keep that opinion to myself along with my peace of mind.
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Mar 4, 13 7:07 AM
$16,665,246,873,747

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 6, 13 7:11 AM
$16,665,247,866,756

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!

By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 4:54 PM
Carville had it right "It about the economy Stupid"

$16,670,247,876,482

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!
Mar 8, 13 1:51 PM appended by They call me
BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLIC - Summarized in three words: Taxpayers vs. Taxeaters
By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 8, 13 1:51 PM
Joe did a stellar job of explaining why that is a bunch of Huff Post garbage on the other thread, Thanks for playing!
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 9:55 PM
UPDATE: Number Of U.S. Gun Makers Refusing Sales To Gov't In 'Firearms Equality Movement' Triples In Two Weeks
March 9, 2013
On February 22, CNN reported that a growing number of firearm companies have suspended the sale of guns to states, counties, cities and municipalities that restrict their citizens' rights to own them.

In just two weeks, the number of companies participating in what has been named the "Firearms Equality Movement," has more than tripled from 34 companies to ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 10, 13 12:25 AM
Here is more from the "do as I say, not as I do" crowd. What a hypocrite and then insults our intelligence by acting like it was some type of research project. Nope, caught with his hand in the cookie jar.


Mark E. Kelly, gun-control proponent and husband to former Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, recently purchased an AR-15 (an "assault weapon," he called it)—which he now says he intended as an illustration of the need for more stringent gun laws.
Kelly reportedly bought ...more
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Mar 10, 13 10:53 AM
Carville had it right "It about the economy Stupid"

$16,694,256,998,482

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!

BATTLE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE REPUBLIC - Summarized in three words: Taxpayers vs. Taxeaters
By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 15, 13 10:51 AM
$16,700,747,994,434

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!
By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 17, 13 11:14 PM
Hasta La Vista: Assault Weapons Ban Fades in Senate

After a meeting yesterday with Harry Reid (D-NV), Sen. Dianne Feinstein learned that her controversial assault weapons ban mess will not be part of the gun control bill package heading to the Senate floor next month.
By 27dan (1170), Southampton on Mar 19, 13 9:33 AM
$16,731,727,736,888

***** US NATIONAL DEBT!*****

Senate Democrats have not passed a budget since 2009

Everyone go to www.usdebtclock.org and get hypnotized,

STOP THE OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING NOW! BEFORE ITS TO LATE!

By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 21, 13 4:15 PM
Getting closer to the 2,985 people died in the September 11, 2001, attacks, by Islamic fundamentalists who want us DEAD! "ALLA AKBAR!"

Thank GOD we have the 2ND amendment!

Have you forgotten - We haven't

The 2nd amend is NOT about hunting, it is NOT about sport shooting. It is solely about guaranteeing an American, law-abiding citizen the God given right to self defense through the ownership of firearms for the purposes of securing their home, property, and country. ...more
By They call me (1202), southampton on Mar 25, 13 12:54 AM
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Sounds like you didn't read TCMs post very well.
By Undocumented Democrat (821), southampton on Mar 25, 13 5:03 PM
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I agree with you TCM. We reserve the right to defend ourselves without any desire to ever have to. Next thing you know, we will be accused of hiding something when we exercise out 4th amendment rights.
By dnice (1523), Hampton Bays on Mar 25, 13 11:34 PM
Well said Dnice
By joe hampton (1991), south hampton on Mar 26, 13 12:51 AM
No one cares
By They call me (1202), southampton on Apr 30, 13 10:51 PM