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East End Spared Major Damage From Storm; Coastline Affected Again

Publication: The East Hampton Press
  Dec 26, 2012 3:38 PM
Dec 31, 2012 4:42 AM

UPDATE: Thursday, 12 p.m.

Wednesday night’s storm appears to have caused extensive erosion along the oceanfront of eastern Long Island, particularly in areas that were already severely impacted by Hurricane Sandy and the early November nor’easter.

In areas of Hampton Bays, Quogue, Bridgehampton and Sagaponack, the storm waves and exaggerated tides washed away thousands of tons of sand that had been trucked onto beaches to bolster decimated dunes. Consultants who were surveying damage on Thursday said that there was extensive additional loss of the remnants of natural dunes during this storm as well.

“The biggest problem we’re having with these storms now is that [Sandy] dropped the elevation of the beach several feet, so when the storms come in, [waves] just slam straight into the dunes and the residences,” said Steven Mezynieski, an excavation contractor who helped several homeowners rebuild dunes following Sandy. “I’d say probably half the sand that was trucked in is gone.”

It is not clear if there were any washovers of the barrier islands in the western portion of Southampton Town, though one consultant said there were several places on Fire Island where the ocean again flowed across the beaches and bayside marshes where dunes were flattened by Sandy.

“On Fire Island there were overwashes again,” said Chuck Bowman, owner of the environmental engineering firm Land Use. “Tides are very high again, and there are no dunes.”

Southampton Town Police Sergeant Herbert Johnson said there was no major destruction otherwise, but a few power lines did go down overnight. A downed tree near Seabreeze Avenue and Montauk Highway in Westhampton pulled down some lines there, and other lines came down near Wakeman Avenue and Palo Alto Drive in Hampton Bays and Deerfield Road in Water Mill.

Southampton Fire Department Captain Chris Brenner said his department received only two calls on Wednesday, neither of which was storm related.

ORIGINAL STORY:

A winter storm will deliver a mix of heavy rain and sleet, powerful winds, and possibly coastal flooding to the region beginning Wednesday evening, according to the National Weather Service.

Eastern Long Island can anticipate a brief period of rain and sleet beginning late afternoon on Wednesday, which will morph into heavy rains of up to 2 inches in some areas and high winds that will last until Thursday afternoon, according to Chris Vaccaro, a National Weather Service spokesman based in Washington, D.C..

The storm began in Texas on Christmas morning, delivering thunderstorms and tornadoes to the region. It blanketed the Oklahoma and Arkansas region with heavy snow, created blizzard conditions in the Midwest, and pounded the mid-Atlantic with a wintery mix of snow, sleet and heavy rainfall, Mr. Vaccaro said.

Winds ranging from 25 to 40 mph with gusts of up to 60 mph are expected from 4 p.m. this afternoon up until 6 a.m. on Thursday, according to the alerts issued by the National Weather Service on its website early this morning. The strongest winds are expected this evening through tonight, it states.

“Winds of this magnitude will likely down trees and tree limbs … power lines and holiday decorations … and cause minor property damage,” the message states. “Power outages are possible. Driving high-profile vehicles will be difficult … especially on elevated roadways and bridges.”

A coastal flood advisory has been issued for the region from 6 to 10 p.m. for low-lying areas coastal areas along the ocean and southern and eastern bays of New York City and Long Island. Beach erosion is expected tonight and tomorrow morning.

The storm will exhibit nor’easter-like conditions, but the National Weather Service is stopping short of labeling it as such, since it is “more of an interior storm,” Mr. Vaccaro said. “But in terms of impacts, it would be very similar to what you’d expect from a coastal nor’easter.”

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Another full moon, same as Sandy. High tide at Shinnecock Inlet is around 6 PM tonight and 6 AM tomorrow morning, and tomorrow's high tide is an extreme one (about 3.5' above datum). Montauk high tide tonight around 8:30 will be the first tell. Link below.

The South Shore of LI could get whacked again, especially the coastal communities off the Great South Bay, such as Lindenhurst, where high tide is just before 9 PM tonight.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:41 PM
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Montauk high tide last night spiked up. Tonight is TBD.

http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8510560+Montauk%2C+NY
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:44 PM
The actual tide reading is still rising (red) even though the theoretical time of high tide (blue) has passed. The actual high tide was about 2' above normal, and the green Residual line suggests that tomorrow's first low tide (3-4 AM +/-) will be at least 2' above normal, and perhaps higher than tonight's high tide was supposed to be.

http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8510560+Montauk%2C+NY

If the easterly wind keeps up all night as predicted, the resulting ...more
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 9:17 PM
Tides at The Battery are rising above normal IMO. High tide is around 7 tonight and tomorrow morning.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:51 PM
http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8518750+The+Battery%2C+NY
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:52 PM
The green Residual line is rising up toward 4' above normal at The Battery.

http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8518750+The+Battery%2C+NY

High tide recently was over 3' above normal.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 9:20 PM
Buoy 44065 at the old Ambrose Light location is 15 NM SE of Breezy Point, and the wind speeds at taking off, currently around 33 knots from the ENE.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:56 PM
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=44065
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:56 PM
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=44065&meas=wspd&uom=E&time_diff=-5&time_label=EST
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 4:57 PM
Sustained winds of 45 knots, and pressure is falling fast, currently about 29.7".

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=44065&meas=wdpr&uom=E&time_diff=-5&time_label=EST
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 8:08 PM
Correction, gusts of 45.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 8:10 PM
In other words, it's going to rain.
By btdt (288), water mill on Dec 26, 12 7:40 PM
And Sandy was just a storm.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 8:32 PM
Kings Point high tide is running 3.51' above normal, and the red Observed Height line is still rising fast.

http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8516945+Kings+Point%2C+NY

Kings Point is on the western end of Long Island Sound, where the "sloshing bathtub" effect of LI Sound water could be significant overnight, if the Easterly winds continue as predicted.

The green Residual line could easily reach 5' above normal by the morning high tide, around ...more
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 9:40 PM
Your high wind warning holds little value without including the direction the wind is blowing from. I live on the edge of Gardners Bay and need wind direction information as much as I need the potential.vilocity.
By Ray Hartjen (1), East Hampton on Dec 26, 12 10:19 PM
The Montauk tide station does not have wind data.

New London:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=ldlc3

Has ENE winds over 20 knots and Ambrose Light buoy south of LI (links above) also shows ENE winds with gusts now over 50 knots, or 60 MPH +/-.

Predictions on TV call for more of the same overnight with winds shifting more to the north I believe overnight.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 10:36 PM
Low tide at The Battery appears to be happening early, well ABOVE the normal high tide, and is currently 5.63 above normal. The green Residual line is spiking up, and looks to aiming IMO for a top in the morning around 6-7' above normal +/- and TBD.

Winds at Ambrose Light S of LI seem to have maxed out.

The tide at Montauk appears to be rising again, well ahead of the predicted time of low tide, and the green Residual line seems to be accelerating upward, to max out in the morning ...more
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 11:35 PM
PS -- The New London data is almost 5 hours old, as if this station has stopped reporting.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 26, 12 11:38 PM
Doesn't anyone spell check before they finish an article? "a coastal food advisory" last paragraph.
By LongIslander 22 (6), hampton bays on Dec 27, 12 12:03 AM
Good catch.

At least it did not say "coastal fool" !
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:15 AM
Fixed--sorry. Can't have enough proofreaders!
By Joseph Shaw, Executive Editor (174), Hampton Bays on Dec 27, 12 2:04 PM
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Please consider getting your photo editor a wide angle lens as many of the images you use could benefit greatly from a wider viewing angle. Especially those above, the perspective is very limited.
By ICE (1196), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 5:22 PM
Winds have continued ENE during the night, but appear to have maxed out at most stations above.

Montauk high tide is around 8 AM, but will probably crest later than that IMO. Recent low tide was higher than the normal HIGH tide, and is now 3.78' above normal, and will likely go over 4' on this metric IMO.

The Battery tide chart is similar, but is only 2.5' above normal so far. Good news for NYC.

Kings Point is running 5.86' above normal, just after low tide, and high tide ...more
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 5:36 AM
Other buoys and stations:

The buoy south of Montauk stopped working in 2011 and has not been repaired.

The buoy SE of Nantucket is not reporting wind data at this time. The winds at Station Nantucket are increasing as the storm moves easterly. Recent gusts were over 50 knots, directly from the East. [links below]

The Block Island buoy does not have wind data.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:02 AM
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=ntkm3
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:03 AM
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/show_plot.php?station=ntkm3&meas=wdpr&uom=E&time_diff=-5&time_label=EST

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:04 AM
The Coopers Beach and Three Mile Harbor web cams are dark right now, but will be instructive after sunrise IMO. Hopefully the editors here will permit the links below to stay, in the interests of public safety and awareness.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:11 AM
http://www.hamptons.com/Hamptons-Beach-Cam#.UNwtGLavw8Y
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:12 AM
http://www.hamptons.com/Harbor-Cam#.UNwtObavw8Y

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 6:13 AM
As the day brightens, and high tide approaches, it appears that the water in Three Mile Harbor may top the bulkhead at the Town Dock on Gann Road. Go to the Full Screen view at the link above.

There is normally an American flag on the pole at the lower right corner, to help assess wind speed, but it is not there this morning. This is a live cam, so once in a while the scene will jiggle as the camera moves in the wind.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 7:18 AM
Strong winds from the NW now, and the approaching Montauk low tide is about 1.8' above normal. Will the NW wind create problems with north-facing areas on Gardiners and other bays, such as Lazy Point?
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 1:58 PM
http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8510560+Montauk%2C+NY

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 1:59 PM
New storm snow forecast just out from NOAA. About 4" up island and less out here.
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 4:10 PM
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/okx/stormtotalprecip.php

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 27, 12 4:10 PM
NOAA's forecast for LI snowfall has been cut in half since yesterday afternoon, with the East End to receive less than an inch.

South of Boston 6-8" is anticipated.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/StormTotalSnow/

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 28, 12 5:34 PM
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By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Dec 28, 12 10:54 PM
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By ride the truth wave (125), southampton on Dec 28, 12 10:55 PM
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Peace on Earth.

And Happy New Year . . .
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 30, 12 1:43 PM
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By CaptainSig (434), Dutch Harbor on Dec 29, 12 7:39 AM
Montauk high tide around 10 AM to be a problem? Last night's high was about 2' above normal, and the winds at New London blew all night out of the WNW at 15-30 knots. Lazy Point, and other north-facing areas on Gardiners Bay may feel the impact this morning?

Total 24-hour snowfall just north of us in the hills above New London was 10-12" BTW.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/hydromet/erEventDisplay.php?event=stormTotal_12&element=snow¢eron=BOX

PS -- Just a couple of gauge ...more
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 30, 12 5:49 AM
http://tidesonline.nos.noaa.gov/plotcomp.shtml?station_info=8510560+Montauk%2C+NY

By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 30, 12 5:50 AM
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By CaptainSig (434), Dutch Harbor on Dec 31, 12 9:31 AM
Time to re-calibrate your compass?
By PBR (4368), Southampton on Dec 31, 12 10:44 AM
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