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Aug 2, 2016 12:53 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Gun Bill Favors Softer Approach To Background Checks

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin says his alternate gun legislation takes a more fair approach.
Aug 3, 2016 10:57 AM

Gun control is regularly a key issue in federal races, and it figures to be a prominent issue in fall election campaigns in the wake of ISIS-inspired shootings in the United States and attacks around the world.

Representative Lee Zeldin, who faces his first run for reelection in November, has come under fire from his Democratic opponent, Anna Throne-Holst of Noyac, for his stance on a proposal to bar the sale of guns to those on an FBI watch list of individuals who are deemed sympathetic to or engaged with terrorist groups.

But the freshman Republican says that his own bill—and a broader security proposal that includes similar language on gun sales currently being considered by the House of Representative—takes what he believes is a fairer approach to background checks, while still blocking those feared to be connected to terrorism from purchasing firearms.

Mr. Zeldin has criticized the efforts of a fellow Long Island Republican, U.S. Representative Peter King, who introduced a bill last year that would bar anyone on the federal “no-fly” list, or the broader terrorist watch list, from purchasing a firearm. The bill has not been brought to a vote of the full House by Republican leadership because of resistance to it from Mr. Zeldin and other Congress members who have raised concerns that the watch lists are too arbitrary and inaccurate.

“The proposals that were out there [in 2015] put the burden on the purchaser to prove that they are not a terrorist,” Mr. Zeldin said. “I just believe the burden should be on the government to prove that someone is a potential terrorist.”

Mr. Zeldin said earlier this summer that the terrorism watch list has been shown to be unreliable and often in error, and has often included American service members, citizens and even toddlers with names similar to those suspected of terrorist ties.

A Senate bill that would have barred anyone on the FBI watch list from purchasing a gun was voted down by the Republican majority in June, just a week after the Orlando massacre, and Democrats blocked another Senate bill that added to the instant background check system but did not support a more comprehensive background check effort.

Mr. Zeldin has introduced a measure he has dubbed the “Protect America Act” that would allow the FBI to halt a gun purchase for up to 72 hours if a name on one of their lists shows up in the federal instant background check database as someone suspected of terrorism ties. Lawyers from the Attorney General's office would then have to take evidence of their suspicions to a judge to get a more permanent block on the sale.

The heart of his proposal was woven into H.R. 5611, a broad Homeland Security bill addressing feared gaps in the national security net to prevent terrorist attacks. Both bills would allow five-year background checks to see if a would-be purchaser had previously been on the watch list. Such a retrospective search would have blocked Omar Mateen, the Florida man who killed 49 people in an Orlando nightclub with a legally purchased assault rifle, from buying any guns.

“The goal here is to prevent a terrorist from being able to purchase a firearm,” Mr. Zeldin said, “but to do so without violating due process rights or Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans. The fact is, there is a way to do it. So it is important to not settle for anything less.”

Mr. Zeldin has said that the tweaks to terrorism watch list restrictions are not just a matter of protecting the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding gun buyers. Allowing the automatic background check system to halt a purchase could compromise FBI investigations of suspected terrorists, Mr. Zeldin noted, by tipping off would-be terrorists to the fact that they have been spotlighted as suspicious.

Ms. Throne-Holst has blasted Mr. Zeldin for months over his stance, saying that he has effectively voted against measures that would keep guns out of the hands of self-proclaimed terrorists like Mr. Mateen.

“Lee Zeldin has voted repeatedly against Congressman Peter King’s bill that would stop suspected terrorists from buying guns, and is supported by chiefs of police,” she said in a recent statement. “Lee Zeldin’s sham alternative would make Americans less safe and fail to close this dangerous loophole.”

She has called for the restrictions proposed by Mr. King to be adopted, along with other “common sense” measures regarding background checks and restrictions on sales of certain kinds of guns, like assault rifles.

Critics have noted that background checks of almost any kind are easily avoided at largely unregulated gun shows and through online purchases—another point that Ms. Throne-Holst and other Democrats have criticized Republicans over.

Local gun sellers have acknowledged the loose restrictions on sales in other parts of the country, but note that New York State’s background check system is already one of the most robust in the nation.

“We have such strong laws [in New York] that it’s very difficult for someone who shouldn’t have a gun to get one legally,” said Frank Dalene, whose Bridgehampton store, Survivability Services International, is one of the only two retail gun sellers remaining on the South Fork. “In New York State, we have it pretty under control.”

Bill H.R. 5611 was taken up on July 1 by the House Rules Committee, where it will be debated when Congress returns from its summer recess.

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I love it!

AT-H (like Hillary) talks about "common sense gun laws," "assault rifles" and "loopholes" (either "gun show" or "internet, it makes no difference), I have to chuckle. Neither woman has a hint of what they are talking about, and are using either meaningless Progressive "buzzwords" or incorrect descriptions to garner support for their campaigns.

At any upcoming debate, someone ask AT-H to explain just what the "gun show loophole" is -- it'll be a terrific answer, because ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 2, 16 3:58 PM
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The gun show loophole is one of the greatest myths ever perpetrated by the anti gun left.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Aug 2, 16 7:51 PM
When do I have my new ZIP NUMBER?I heard on the grape vine that the new post office will be the BIG DUCK.
By watchdog1 (515), Southampton on Aug 2, 16 4:50 PM
As Frank said, anna has no idea what she is talking about. Only supervisor that needed security at her meetings.
NYS has the toughest gun laws and instant background checks on all sales of firearms, on line and person to person.
By knitter (1624), Southampton on Aug 2, 16 7:52 PM
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How many people have been wrongly accused of being on a terrorist watch list? "Often in error,' is how many? How hard is it to prove you don't belong on a terrorist watch list? What's the inconvenience, you can't have gun right away?
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 2, 16 7:55 PM
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Never been a mass shooting at a gun show - just gun free zones.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Aug 2, 16 7:59 PM
So where is Lee, an Iraq veteran, on Donald Trump's insults on gold star families?
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Aug 2, 16 9:43 PM
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Gold star my rear the guy is a Piece of garbage

GLOBALIST IN ALL OUT PANIC: OBAMA WARNS DUMP TRUMP

The Dem establishment & main stream media are quickly unraveling... so they drag out obama & try to manufacture outrage with Khan.

Khan is an immigration lawyer based in New York who's law firm was a registered agent for Saudi Arabia, handles Hillary and Bill Clinton's taxes and "is deeply connected to" her home brew email scandal. He makes his money from Muslim immigrants ...more
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 3, 16 12:10 AM
Khizr Khan Believes the Constitution ‘Must Always Be Subordinated to the Sharia’
PHILADELPHIA, PA - JULY 28: on the fourth day of the Democratic National Convention at the Wells Fargo Center, July 28, 2016 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton received the number of votes needed to secure the party's nomination. An estimated 50,000 people are expected in Philadelphia, including hundreds of protesters and members of the media. The four-day ...more
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 3, 16 12:20 AM
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Smells like plagiarism, Dan. I you're not trying to pass your cut and paste job as your own writing, where is the citation?
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 3, 16 1:13 AM
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Smells like plagiarism, Dan. I you're not trying to pass your cut and paste job as your own writing, where is the citation?
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 3, 16 1:13 AM
This whole thing is a Khan job... Khizr Khan's chickens have come home to roost or as they say in Mecca, the goats are eating the roof.

The more we know, the worse Khan looks.

Forget talking about what they are trying to distract you with

Concentrate on the big story The Clinton Foundation ...



Spread the word Dan you can qoute me when ever you like.

By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 3, 16 2:27 AM
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Isn't it the right wing that wants the Ten Commandments posted on public property, like courthouses?

Since "God's Law" is superior to man's law?

Yet again, hypocrites.
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 3, 16 6:42 AM
How is it that considering Khan's warm embrace of Sharia law(as you put it)that his son enlisted in our army. He wasn't a freedom fighter for the Taliban or Isis.This family turned out a brave, caring, courageous, and patriotic american young man, who gave his last full measure of devotion to this country. Mrs. Khan didn't say much at the convention( she spoke much on Morning Joe) her son spoke volumes about the up bringing in their house.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 3, 16 11:24 AM
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Don't be bothered too much by the comments, Mets fan. That whole thing is some silly Breitbart nonsense. No reputable journalist would back it up. It's truly sad though that Trump's people still refuse to show this man and his family any respect.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 3, 16 11:42 AM
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27 Dan irregardless of Khans background you must admit Trump showed very poor judgement. He could have easily deflected the situation by praising his son and Muslim Americans thn explaining his reasons for wanting to temporarily ban Muslims from entering the country until they can be properly vetted. Note this comment is coming guy who would NEVER vote for Hilary Clinton.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 3, 16 6:41 PM
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Commendable! Very well put!
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 3, 16 7:58 PM
Agreed razza but come on 5 days of this garbage the media tilt is disgustingly obvious and i believe that is what will ultimately drive the people to the polls for trump
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 16 12:01 AM
‘A sense of panic is rising’ in GOP over Trump, including talk of what to do if he quits

Tribune Washington Bureau
By Noah Bierman, Michael Finnegan and David Lauter
9 hrs ago


WASHINGTON — Donald Trump’s relations with the Republican Party — and his political fortunes — worsened dramatically Wednesday, as party leaders fretted openly about the inability of his campaign staff to control him and even began to discuss what to do if ...more
Aug 4, 16 5:47 AM appended by Mr. Z
“Trump’s demagoguery has undermined the fabric of our national character.” ~ Meg Whitman
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 4, 16 5:47 AM
Sadly Zeldin is out-of-touch with voters in his district who want stricter gun safety laws not something drafted by the NRA.
By citykid (11), east quogue on Aug 2, 16 9:43 PM
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Wonderful, wonderful -- someone identifying himself as "citykid" purporting to know what the voters in the 2ndCD want!

Just as "gun show and/or internet loopholes" are cynically contrived fictions of the liberal Left, it's obvious that when those same people babble about "gun safety laws," what they really mean is "No More Guns!"

Now, go ahead "citykid," tell us what sort of "gun safety law" you'd like to see enacted. Careful now -- this is your big chance to offer something substantive ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 2, 16 11:51 PM
to Frank Wheeler:

As you know, the "gun show loophole" is a misnomer since, in reality, most states do not require background checks for the transfer of firearms between private individuals - - - at gun shows or anywhere else. The name probably arose because it is not uncommon at these shows for individuals to walk around totting firearms on their shoulders with a "For Sale" tag on the muzzle. If you want to sell a gun privately, the fastest place to make a sale is in a crowd where everyone ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 3, 16 12:28 AM
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The label "Gun Show Loophole" is a misnomer because the exemption for private sales at gunshows was negotiated and accepted by Congressional Democrats in order to pass Clinton's Assault Weapons ban. They like to maintain the fiction it was an oversight but it was not. Fact is, any and all Federally licensed dealers HAVE TO abide by all background check and waiting requirements required that any gun store would have to abide. If there was no gun show "loophole" private citizens could still walk ...more
By Funbeer (255), Southampton on Aug 3, 16 1:40 AM
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To HHH:

Thank you for your articulate response -- I didn't think "citykid" would show up -- and recognition that "gun show loophole" is a "misnomer." (I maintain "fiction" is a more appropriate term.)

You were doing well until your fondness for hyperbole took over. "A semi-trailer full of AK-47s?" Really?

I haven't been to a "gun show" in over two decades, but this I know: virtually all who take takes to sell firearms are Federal Firearms License-holders, and they as a ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 3, 16 8:06 AM
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Once again ATH and her left wing accomplices in the media have distorted the facts concerning Zeldin's proposed amendment. Be assured this is just the beginning of a never ending parade of anti Lee Zeldin articles that will be manufactured in order to mislead readers and convince them the world will end if he's re-elected.
By BillWillConn3 (174), Southampton on Aug 2, 16 10:39 PM
Mr. Z says "Trump is a busted serial liar"

I say Mr. Z is a busted partasin hack with blinders on

Clinton claims that the FBI director said her email answers were ‘truthful’
By Glenn Kessler July 312016 The Washington Post

Clinton earns Four Pinocchios for mischaracterizing the FBI director's remarks about her email setup
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 3, 16 2:14 AM
I'll go TWO better for you:

Count 'em. THIRTY FIVE. And, that was the March total...


All of Donald Trump’s Four-Pinocchio ratings, in one place
By Glenn Kessler March 22, 2016

There’s never been a presidential candidate like Donald Trump — someone so cavalier about the facts and so unwilling to ever admit error, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. As of July 14, 64 percent (35 of 55) of our rulings of his statements turned out to be Four ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 3, 16 6:47 AM
Hilary Clinton exemplifies the worst that American politics has to offer. She is the definition of political cronyism and if not for her position of power would either be without a job or in jail.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 3, 16 9:44 PM
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FULL: Rear Admiral John Hutson destroys Donald Trump at the Democratic National Convention
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 3, 16 9:46 PM
I heard on the grapevine that Mr Z may consider running for a seat in the Kennesit if ATH gets more votes in Nov.
By watchdog1 (515), Southampton on Aug 3, 16 6:24 AM
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It's spelled "Knesset".

It's becoming quite obvious the "right wing" here is the shining intelligentsia of our society...
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 3, 16 6:45 AM
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In this Duck Dynasty vs. Lena Dunham Election you gotta ask yourself a question?

Were do you stand
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 3, 16 5:53 PM
“Being a K9 handler in the military I got to do a few details involving distinguished visitors. mostly gfenerals, DOD officials, and secretaries of defense,” bonner explained.

He then went on to describe what happened during his encounter with Clinton.

“One of my last details was for Hillary when she was secretary of state. She was in Turkey for whatever reason. I helped with sweeps of her DV quarters and staff vehicles. Her words to me? “Get that F—ing ...more
Aug 4, 16 12:00 AM appended by 27dan
An Air Force public affairs piece published in August 2009 documents that Bonner and Suli, a 9-year-old German Shepherd, were on duty in Turkey in 2009.
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 16 12:00 AM
More unattributed quotes, Dan? What is your source? Is it so embarrassing to you or so untrustworthy you just throw up these things and expect anyone to believe them?

If you have a legitimate point to make, you won't get there with anyone who really wants answers with your "half fast" approach. Even your vaguest of references in what you appended is insufficient, but that's probably what the source you copied it from is counting on - guys like you who don't think enough or care enough ...more
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 4, 16 2:29 AM
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"At a rally in Omaha on Monday, the business icon [Warren Buffet] praised Hillary Clinton for her policies and condemned Donald Trump for refusing to release his tax returns. Buffett invoked Trump's record of bankruptcies and the failure of his only public company, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, which listed on the New York Stock Exchange in 1995. 'In 1995, when he offered this company, if a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page, the monkey would have made on average 150 percent,' Buffet ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 4, 16 6:02 AM
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Lib Logic:

Guns are killing people? - OMG, get guns off the street as fast as possible!!
Muslims are killing people? - get as many ONTO our streets as fast as possible
By SlimeAlive (1137), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 6:36 AM
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Exactly it's absolutely insane
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 4, 16 9:02 AM
You're a true troll, Slime. It's time liberals and conservatives (and everyone else) start working together. Untrue, alarmist comments like yours just deepen the divide.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 7:29 PM
Oh definitely. When you don't like it, it's an alarmist comment from a troll that deepens the divide. Not sure how you type on this site so much with your head in the sand?
By SlimeAlive (1137), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 7:23 AM
Buffet typically supports dems. Nothing to see here. Move on.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 4, 16 6:37 AM
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The challenge was by Buffett was that he is also audited.That being said, he would produce his tax return if the Donald would produce his. So his point is, it's a phony excuse that your being audited you can't show your tax return. Any rational person would know if you don't want to show something, you must have something to hide. I thought his was the campaign of transparency and brutal honesty.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 8:30 AM
Mets Fan.... So Buffett doesn't like The Donald because in his opinion Trump is not transparent, is not honest and Buffett feels he has something to hide BUT he does like Clinton. LOL. Give me a break.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 4, 16 3:22 PM
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Trump was the campaign of transparency and BRUTAL honesty. Trump is the braggart, carnival barker who says anything and doesn't mean anything. Here's an easy one to shut everybody up, show us your taxes. Hey Hillary has got warts. Trump is a dangerous buffoon, making it up as he goes along.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 9:10 PM
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"Here's an easy one to shut everyone up show us your taxes" LOL that's hilarious.
I'm sure if Hilary had released the 50 million things she has not disclosed to the people that everyone would just shut up. It's a two way street my liberal friend and Hilary has big ugly warts.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 5, 16 7:04 AM
But Trump was going to change all that secrecy. He doesn't have to show his taxes, but here he can't put his money where his mouth is, he certainly has put everything else there. Hillary's been investigated, beating a dead horse is not going to get Trump elected. Oops, forgot the low information voter loves his sound bites. How's the Geneva plane? Say anything, retract anything.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 7:45 AM
You can go back and forth on this all day long. As a lefty you are going to bash whoever the GOP candidate is (Doesn't matter if it was Jesus Christ himself) AND it doesn't matter to someone like you (meaning who will vote for) if he releases his tax return.

For the record if you checked any of my previous posts you will note that I am not a Trump supporter.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 5, 16 9:59 AM
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I voted Republican for thirty three years. I have a very open mind. McCain, Romney, and now Trump, and your asking me why I never would vote GOP. I think those three is enough said. I'm not going to vote Republican again till they move out of Archie Bunker politics.
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 9:36 PM
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I've read some of your prior posts. You are in favor of health care for illegals, big government and obamacare. No self respecting republican would favor any of those things . You flat out call the GOP the do nothing party. Either like Bruce Jenner you have been very confused for 33 years, you are flat out lying or you have lost your marbles in retirement.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 6, 16 6:09 AM
If I lost my marbles I would be voting for Trump. The Do-nothing party still has no response for health care, nor does Trump. Compassion is something today's Republicans lack, if an illegal is in an emergency room, if they can't pay, you would put them on the street? Republicans have been trying to sell that the whole country is going through bad times. Look around you, looks pretty damn good here. 3.8 unemployment figure on Long Island and a shortage of workers. America has always been a violent ...more
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 10:35 AM
see we are Making progress. We ruled out losing your marbles. We are down to confused like Bruce Jenner or Lying (or both). Ford was never elected so you are lying on that one. Reagan and Bush 1 followed the free market economic principles of Milton Friedman so you are confused and Bush 2 stunk.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Aug 6, 16 3:10 PM
I voted for Ford, what's lying about that? He lost. Try to stay with it. You seem obsessed with Bruce Jenner, is that who's on your mind day and night!! Ha-ha, ha-ha. You lose this election, the Republican party will need to expire. Death by living in the past. Hiding behind Christian values. You lose this election , your whole agenda is finished for good with new Supreme court nomination. I think you would be happy sharing a john with Bruce, maybe your evolving. LOL
By Mets fan (1387), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 8:52 PM
I do not want to live in a neighborhood full of muslims and I'm not afraid to say it. Why would any modern woman choose to live in a community that treats its women as property. We should take a lesson from europe before it's too late
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 4, 16 9:09 AM
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Wow, stereotype and generalize much? You do know that there are over 1.6 *BILLION* Muslims in the world living in thousands of different and very diverse communities, right?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 7:21 PM
Also, if you got to know even a few of those billions, you'd realize that by and large they are just like everyone else trying to get by and take care of their families. The discrimination on these comment boards is just sad. Enough hate already.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 7:26 PM
Dump Zeldin. Please. He is an embarrassment to Suffolk County.
By Olongwell (3), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 1:37 PM
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You come up with that one all on your own, Aristotle? After ''Suffolk County.'' was where you were supposed to support your statement if it had been possible.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Aug 4, 16 2:52 PM
Exactly what has Congressman Zeldin done that so embarrasses Suffolk County, widow gavits?

Could you please cite some specifics? Details, please.



By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 4, 16 3:36 PM
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Who is shooting all these people??? Not the lady that has a gun to protect her family. Not the guy that goes to the range with his family. Not the family that shoots at the gun clubs. Why would you wast to take their guns away? They bought them legally, went through a background check...
The people that are shooting up the cities, towns are criminals that have gotten their guns illegally from another criminal. Look at our jails, who are these people? Gun crimes are committed and pled down ...more
By knitter (1624), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 4:56 PM
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Why you ask, Just imagine a partisan bully like obama ("with his phone and pen) or even Trump in a world were only the government has the guns. Pretty scary if you think about it.

Could Hitler been stopped if the German public were armed ?

The second amendment has keep tyranny at bay for 200 years. Do you want to give up that sovereign right now ? Not me! Not in this world
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 4, 16 5:53 PM
knitter, you're missing the point again.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 4, 16 7:31 PM
No Phil it is you that is missing the point as usual
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 5, 16 1:05 AM
I'm not Phil.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 7:09 AM
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That you're "not Phil? doesn't negate the point that "you're missing the point again," does it?

Seems like you're just picking up some of Phil's more disreputable habits.



By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 5, 16 9:26 AM
I didn't mean disrespect to knitter and I should have tried to articulate my point about missing the point, I just didn't have time. I won't say such things in the future then unless it's clear what I mean. I have tried to stay fairly diplomatic on this site and don't mean to be doing anything 'disreputable.' I am fairly new to commenting on 27east and don't know Phil or what you meant by his 'disreputable habits,' but I honestly didn't mean any real offense.

I will put more thought into ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 10:17 AM
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I don't know frank I went back and looked at his 67 comments still think it could be the weasel on his cell phone to hide from the SH Press

But if I am wrong welcome SH_Res

If I am not you will show it sooner than later because as we all know the weasel troll cant help himself!
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 5, 16 11:23 AM
Swear I'm not Phil, so thanks for the welcome They call me. I have to admit it's been a steep learning curve on 27east. It's been rather easy to get caught up when people say things that personally offend me or don't make any sense, but I'm going to make an effort to respond to only those who seem to be taking things seriously and are willing to listen. It's nice to hear other people's points of view, especially those from my own community, and I'm totally willing to listen if others are. It just ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 5, 16 12:15 PM
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ok your definitely not Phil
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 5, 16 11:59 PM
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Don't worry SH_Res, the right wing gaggle via they're paranoia here have thrown out unfounded accusations about identities repeatedly over the years. I've also been accused of being Phil, or been badgered about the color of my skin, and even told I must be filially related to June Bug ad nauseam. Just ignore the stupidity.
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 6, 16 7:35 AM
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By PBR (4900), Southampton on Aug 6, 16 11:03 AM
"Right wing paranoia" ... Mr. Z Maybe you can explain for us about Vice Fosters clean shoes better than an FBI microscopic investigation? An investigation that stated Foster’s shoes or pants did not have a trace of soil, scratches or grass stains on them, though he supposedly walked hundreds yards through a rocky area of wooded Fort Marcy Park to where his body was found.

Maybe you can explain for us how a suicide victim has two gun shots to the head instead of one?

No ...more
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 6, 16 11:32 AM
he cant explain it without stating the obvious
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 7, 16 2:11 AM
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i am not following this ? google here i come
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 7, 16 10:35 AM
According to FIVE investigations, Foster committed suicide. I suppose the United States Park Police, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the United States Congress, Independent Counsel Robert B. Fiske, and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr all colluded to lie for the Clintons. Get a [expletive deleted] grip.

However, according to the paranoid conspiracy theorists the mysteries abound...
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 9, 16 8:16 PM
And what the heck, why not toss in the draft notes for his resignation letter. I'm sure you'll say it was planted, but I do have to say Jerry Falwell is about as credible as good 'ol Jim Bakker. Nothing like having God's Special Education team on the side of the GOP...


"I made mistakes from ignorance, inexperience and overwork

I did not knowingly violate any law or standard of conduct

No one in The White House, to my knowledge, violated any law or standard of conduct, ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 9, 16 8:27 PM
Yes, y'all are S-T-U-P-I-D.

From the laboratory analysis of the weapon. Perhaps we should dumb it down for you?

1. Gun

a. Operation

The .38 caliber revolver recovered from Mr. Foster's hand at Fort Marcy Park had a four-inch barrel and a capacity of six shots. It had one live round and one spent casing. Had the trigger been pulled again, the next shot would have fired the remaining round.

In August 1993, at the request of the Park Police, the Bureau ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 9, 16 8:39 PM
When you contrast Lee Zeldin vs. Tim Bishop it is eye opening. Tim Bishop was nothing more than a doe eyed errand boy for the elites. He would throw the locals a bone by explaining how he saved jobs and money for his cronies but everything he did was aimed at staying in favor of the high powered libs while being bank rolled by a guy who promoted drug fueled raves.

In Lee Zeldin, you have an actual leader. You never saw Tim Bishop on national television being asked tough questions about ...more
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Aug 6, 16 7:15 AM
I'll pass on the Bishop part because that's history now, but if I were addressing it, I'd take issue with what even flow alleges. More importantly, I've made the BIG MISTAKE of clicking "Like" on his comment.

No, I don't like the post, I was just trying to see who did, and discovered it was Frank Wheeler. That leads me to Mr. Wheeler's post at the top of this thread, inviting me and others to respond.

OK, here's the response: Mr. Wheeler uses a common tactic of homing in on ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Aug 6, 16 1:22 PM
You might have had me until your last paragraph. All you political hacks still expect us to believe your cronies will accomplish something for the common good even though decades of experience show us they will only serve and protect each other and the huge, cash-eating machines that put them there.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 7, 16 12:28 AM
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It's pretty obvious I'm right over the target. Perhaps you did not support your statement because you were lazy or maybe because it was impossible.
By even flow (808), East Hampton on Aug 7, 16 6:44 AM
Belgium police machete attack: Knifeman shouting 'Allahu Akbar' hacks two female officers in face
Aug 6, 16 8:29 PM appended by 27dan
BAN ALL MACHETES WITH OUT A FULL BACKROUND CHECK, FINGER PRINTING, INTERVIEWS WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND AND A 72 HOUR HOLD
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 6, 16 8:29 PM
i think i read somewhere that you shouldn't bring a knife to a machete fight or something like that

giggle
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 7, 16 10:34 AM
Anna Does not represent the values or interests of the East End. She prostituted herself to the developers and never saw a PDD that she didn't champion. Now those she serviced are paying her back in campaign contributions. The last thing we need reoresenting us in Congress is another corrupt , self serving Liberal.
By bigfresh (4165), north sea on Aug 7, 16 7:27 AM
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They seem to have some things in commen... from Arkansas to Washington to New York and the world over, the Clinton scofflaws have escaped accountability their entire adult lives for all their calculated transgressions against Americans.

So it should come as no surprise that Hillary Clinton once again was allowed to skate, even though the head
of the very body tasked with investigating her — the FBI — has well and explicitly detailed precisely how Hillary Clinton did in fact ...more
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 7, 16 10:30 AM
Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic vice presidential nominee Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) refused to say his running mate Hillary Clinton lied to the public about her email scandal while promising absolute transparency.
Aug 7, 16 10:56 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
"while promising absolute transparency" Seems I haveI have heard that somewhere before , What a joke
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 7, 16 10:56 AM
TRUMP BACK IN STRIKING DISTANCE AFTER CONVENTION BOUNCE!

Clinton's lead over Trump narrows to less than two points: REUTERS/IPSOS

LATIMES/USC: Clinton +1
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 7, 16 9:33 AM
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Dan said :Khizr Khan Believes the Constitution ‘Must Always Be Subordinated to the Sharia’this now seems to have been clearly exposed so where is the media follow up story ?

Khan who's son died in Hillary's war believes sharia trumps the constitution. He could be considered a enemy of the state as Islam is incompatible with the west.

He apparently hasn't read the Constitution. I still search for the part which says that immigrating to America is the fundamental right ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 7, 16 10:13 AM
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Swallowing all the lies whole, eh?

Snopes:

"No credible evidence supports the assertion that Khan is an operative of the Muslim Brotherhood."

By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 10, 16 3:44 AM

WOW! BREAKING=> Julian Assange Suggests Seth Rich – Who Was MURDERED in DC – Was Wikileaks DNC Source!
Aug 9, 16 9:43 PM appended by joe hampton
Isn't it strange that so many media outlets are now condemning Wikileaks... FOR DOING WHAT JOURNALISTS USED TO DO ?
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 9, 16 9:43 PM
More conspiracy and bull****.

Do you get all your news from Whatdoesitmean?
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 10, 16 3:27 AM
The Hillary picture discussed above and the numerous additional videos of abnormal behavior by Hillary should be of major concern to all Americans, and the world.

Hillary is mentally and physically unfit for office. Her medical state is a danger to this country, as her filmed seizures, blank looks, and physical weakness, does not bode well for any type of competent governance.

Release her medical records.

By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 10, 16 7:40 AM
Idiots.

Video proves Clinton suffering seizures? Not so, I was there
By LISA LERER
Aug. 12, 2016 7:12 PM EDT
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 12, 16 8:18 PM
Steve Mezenieski tied a young girl up and proceeded to rape her. Let that soak in.
By SlimeAlive (1137), Southampton on Aug 10, 16 6:23 AM
As manifest by their comments here over the last few days, the constant hysteria of the Right-Wing has permanently deranged it:

Now one of them (Undocumented Democrat) believes the Khizr Khan, the Gold Star father, is an "enemy of the state" because he allegedly believes in Sharia justice.

They call me thinks Hillary has a brain injury because two gentlemen helped her up some steps that had no handrail.

And joe hampton suggests that Seth Rich's murder was linked to the ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 10, 16 9:18 AM
Newly released Clinton emails shed light on relationship between State Dept. and Clinton Foundation
By Daniella Diaz, Pamela Brown and Elise Labott, CNN
Updated 8:18 PM ET, Wed August 10, 2016Washington (CNN)Newly released emails from Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state raise questions about the nature of the department's relationship with the Clinton Foundation.

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, released 296 pages of emails from the Democratic presidential ...more
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 10, 16 8:35 PM
omg that picture is the best lmao
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 10, 16 8:40 PM
DEVASTATING BOMBSHELLS' IN NEW HILLARY EMAILS
Rush Limbaugh: 'It's an intricately woven web of deceit'

Another batch of previously undisclosed emails involving Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state has been released, and they reveal multiple orders from the private Clinton Foundation to Hillary Clinton’s aides at the State Department.

Meanwhile, CNN reported the FBI asked the Justice Department to open a case into the Clinton ...more
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 10, 16 8:57 PM
haa Philly got all wee weed up LOL
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 10, 16 9:30 PM
Go Trump !!!!!!
By Sturgis (538), Southampton on Aug 10, 16 11:40 AM
This story will explain alot of what Phil is saying , Please go look at:

Left Planned to Stage Violence to Bring Down Trump

You can find the story at Breitbart . com
Aug 10, 16 8:46 PM appended by 27dan
While you there take a minute to watch Clinton Cash Its FREE!
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 10, 16 8:46 PM
If you want to make an argument that people will respect, please please stop citing Breitbart.com. It is widely recognized as being biased, and not just by people from the left. If you cite more reputable news sources, I'd be more than happy to check them out. However, I refuse to go to Breitbart for "news." I do a lot to check out news from different sources, both left leaning and right leaning, and make sure I know which sources are reputable. I promise you (and others, for that matter), Breitbart.com ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 10, 16 9:02 PM
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yes yes keep getting spoon feed from the networks and media matters
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 10, 16 9:08 PM
Yeah, saw this rebuttal coming. I don't get spoon fed. I do quite a bit of digging around and critical thinking about these things. I check my news sources and cross check information I get from them. Breitbart.com is simply not a reputable and unbiased news source. Even if you argue that the rest of the media is left leaning, Breitbart.com has leaned so far over to the right it's fallen down. Sorry, it's the truth. Without being disrespectful, I have to say you are the one who's being spoon fed ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 10, 16 9:14 PM
Phil Phil Phil, you know that you have been banned by this paper for your foul mouthed inflammatory nature... you will be erased by morning so why do you continue to make a new account everyday and come back to haunt us? SH Res is a descent person just disagreeing with some of us while remaining a gentleman something you could never manage.

"The only thing that matters to me is that I'll be around to see TRUMP LOSE AND THEN COME BACK HERE TO RUB IT IN YOUR FACES."
by PhilMotyka (2), ...more
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 11, 16 12:18 AM
The Reuters news service has poured cold water on CNN’s overheated claim that the Secret Service warned Donald Trump’s campaign that his gun rights rhetoric seemed to threaten the safety of Hillary Clinton.
Reuters reported that “a federal official on Wednesday said the U.S. Secret Service had not formally spoken with Republican Donald Trump’s presidential campaign regarding his suggestion a day earlier that gun rights activists could stop Democratic rival Hillary Clinton ...more
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 11, 16 1:51 AM
Reuters, I will take more seriously. However, I personally don't care whether or not the Secret Service warned Trump, I still find what he said appalling. Trump's mouth is exactly what would make him a dangerously divisive leader and awful, awful diplomat. I don't think either candidate is ideal this election cycle, but I simply can't stand behind someone who behaves like he does. I think others will feel the same and this will ultimately work in Hillary's favor.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 11, 16 9:28 AM
Sources: Twitter CEO Dick Costolo Secretly Censored Abusive Responses To President Obama
The move was conducted in secret, according to well-placed sources.
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 11, 16 2:56 PM
This came from Buzzfeed, and the jury is still out as to whether or not it's reputable. Buzzfeed tends to be left-leaning (when it's not reporting utter fluff!), so I surely can't accuse you of any bias here and applaud you for reaching out beyond Breitbart. That said, I honestly don't know that I find this to be a huge offense, mostly because I don't understand the extent to which responses were censored. If censoring "abusive" comments means that, for instance, really awful and purely racist comments ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 1:14 AM
As Trump implies, there would be precisely no point in having a Second Amendment if it did not, like the rest of the provisions written for “the people,” protect an individual liberty. As is clear to anybody who has read the writings of both the colonists and the Founders, who has studied the jurists of the revolutionary era and beyond, who is familiar with the Dred Scott decision and the subsequent fallout, who has looked across the state constitutions, and who has followed the trajectory ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 10, 16 9:27 PM
"International comparisons help highlight how exceptional the United States is: In a nation where the right to bear arms is cherished by much of the population, gun homicides are a significant public health concern. For men 15 to 29, they are the third-leading cause of death, after accidents and suicides. In other high-income countries, gun homicides are unusual events."

~ NY Times
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 11, 16 3:09 AM
Yes, and not to mention last week's statement by ISIS that the proliferation of firearms in the US and the ease in acquiring them makes any attacks on us very easy for them.
By June Bug (2361), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 11, 16 9:56 AM
And that's the same ISIS that Mr. Trump says was "absolutely" co-founded by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

You can't make this stuff up, folks, but he can.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 11, 16 1:52 PM
The proof is Obama not only founded ISIS he gave Iran 1 Billion dollars plus 400 million in cash to support terrorism. MSM refuses to report truth to protect their Affirmative Action experiment.
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 11, 16 2:24 PM
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Obama and Hillary armed the JV team. Never forget that. Obama never struck at ISIS strongholds. He only bombed their periphery to make it look like he was doing something. It was all for show.
Aug 11, 16 2:25 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Trump's actually right about Obama and the spread of ISIS. Obama made three huge strategic blunders. 1. Against the advice of generals, Obama withdrew the stabilizing force from Iraq. Agree with it or not, the war was won. Obama has been forced to put troops back there because it was a mistake. 2. The Arab Spring. Dictators friendly to the U.S., such as Mubarak in Egypt, kept the regional security tight. Yes, they're dictators, but they helped U.S. national security. Obama supported the Muslim Brotherhood, which has turned Egypt into a more violent toilet than before and helped grow ISIS. 3. Obama let Assad use chemical weapons on his own people and did nothing. The Syrian vacuum allowed Russia in. Obama was brought up as a Muslim as he had a Muslim stepfather. Obama's grandparents were communists. Obama was programmed to love Islam and communism. We knew all this as a nation in 2008 just as we know Hillary is a hardened criminal who has sold out her country. Trump/Pence 2016!
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 11, 16 2:25 PM
Don't forget pressure cookers and box trucks and box cutters.
By Sturgis (538), Southampton on Aug 11, 16 8:24 PM
Trump must be lying. His lips are moving.

AP Wire:

"As for the manner of the U.S. withdrawal, Trump actually wanted U.S. troops out years earlier than Obama brought them out."

"He told CNN in March 2007 that the U.S. should declare victory and get out because Iraq was going to get further bogged down in civil strife. He said the U.S. was "keeping a lid" on the situation by being there, but that when the U.S. leaves, "it's all going to blow up" so the U.S. might as well ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 11, 16 8:36 PM
READ MY LIPS ... Its about Hillary Stupid.
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 12, 16 8:45 AM
No, it's also about Trump being a pathological liar.

We knew most Republicans didn't qualify for MENSA, but the gullibility factor is simply astounding.
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 12, 16 8:10 PM
TrumpLetter.docx

The undersigned individuals have all served in senior national security
and/or foreign policy positions in Republican Administrations, from
Richard Nixon to George W. Bush. We have worked directly on
national security issues with these Republican Presidents and/or their
principal advisers during wartime and other periods of crisis, through
successes and failures. We know the personal qualities required of a
President of the United States.

None ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 11, 16 9:47 PM
Donald B. Ayer
Former Deputy Attorney General

John B. Bellinger III
Former Legal Adviser to the Department of State; former Legal Adviser to the National Security Council, The White House

Robert Blackwill
Former Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Planning, The White House

Michael Chertoff
Former Secretary of Homeland Security; former Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, Department of Justice

Eliot A. Cohen
Former ...more
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 11, 16 9:59 PM
During Wednesday’s State Department press briefing, Associated Press Diplomatic Writer Matt Lee asked State Department Press Office Director Elizabeth Trudeau “am I not speaking English?” During a line of questioning about improper relationships between the Clinton Foundation and the State Department.
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 12, 16 1:19 AM
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The reporter was speaking American and the State Department spokesperson was answering in Treason...
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 12, 16 1:25 AM
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The evidence against the Clinton cabal is mounting but makes no difference to the Party faithful , they will pull the Democrat lever no matter what. Idiots.
By bigfresh (4165), north sea on Aug 12, 16 5:57 AM
Hillary is very vulnerable to bribery and corruption... what makes this very dangerous is without doubt the Russians, Iranians, Chinese and North Koreans are in possession of everything that was on her UNSECURED, UNPROTECTED private servers plugged into the Internet. Thus she is a huge target for BLACKMAIL.

Does anybody except the die-hard Hillary-Kool-Aid drinkers think that when Putin threatens her with release of damaging emails, that she'll stand up and expose it, then resign from office? ...more
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 12, 16 8:53 AM
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Do any of you actually think Trump would be a good president, or do you all just absolutely hate Hillary Clinton?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 9:14 AM
I do not believe anyone is in love with Trumps hubris

But big government corruption, entitlement spending, embarrassing enforcement of our immigration laws, uber left wing SCOTUS picks, political correctness, no respect for our military & police, no funding of Intel & defense budgets, not upholding the 1st, 2nd and 10th amendments, trade imbalance, race baiting, public union corruption and redistribution of wealth through health care & workers compensation shell games must end!

Real ...more
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 12, 16 11:36 AM
Joe, again all you've done is point out "problems" that you presumably connect to Hillary and the larger Democratic party. You haven't said how Trump will fix these problems, and I haven't heard anyone make a convincing case that he can. So I think the answer to my question is "no we don't think he'd make a good president, and yes it's all about hating Hillary (and the Democratic party/values more broadly)." Am I getting that right?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 1:02 PM
You are getting It right for me. She's a lier, see latest headlines (again) She is a corrupt enabling self serving political hack.
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 12, 16 8:33 PM
Laughing out loud Dan, because she will still make a way better President than Trump ever would or could!
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Lambs to the slaughter . . .
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 8:42 PM
come on pbr be honest with yourself the clinton's are a corrupt mess.
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 12, 16 8:50 PM
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May be, but it that does not change the fact that Trump has a profoundly dangerous set of character flaws which will get us into more trouble than Clinton ever could.
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Amazing how blind devotion to a tragically flawed character can lead to self-destruction!
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This is a binary choice -- chocolate or vanilla ice cream? You do not get to pick pistachio.
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Lemmings to the sea . . .
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 7:52 AM
PS -- Sadly, it is the bullies who are usually blind to the folly of following a fellow bully . . .
By PBR (4900), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 7:55 AM
Alliteratus bonum!

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle!
By Nero (273), Sag Harbor on Aug 13, 16 9:58 AM
@27dan - as opposed to Trump, who is..... what? Any better? Many people believe he's worse!
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 10:46 AM
I just got word that Oxford is dropping me from my health plan that I have had for 7 years for no good reason, come Jan 1st. so I guess you could say yes I HATE HER!!!

I pay 2,580 per month for a family of 6. They are no longer considering me and my wife who owns a part of the business a group ? I would not be affected and could keep the plan I have if I was gay and living with my partner or divorced and she still owned the same amount of the company, but not if I am married (Not kidding ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 13, 16 2:59 PM
Sure, blame the President and politicians for greedy corporations.

They like it when you do that.
By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 13, 16 6:39 PM
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No. Obamacare isn’t killing the insurance industry.

As health carriers blame losses on Obamacare, their stocks gains continue to be 'yuge,' thanks to one great customer: Uncle Sam

By Wendell Potter
March 1, 2016

By Mr. Z (11002), North Sea on Aug 13, 16 6:41 PM
you did not answer my question did you, because there is no logical answer to what they are doing.If there is high and mighty one tell me what it is.
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 13, 16 9:36 PM
I'm sorry they are doing that to you UD I have several friends who are complaining of the same thing. It seems self reliant small business mom and pop people are the enemy of this administration. I believe they are trying to force a single payer system.

and agree with you, to hell with that.

give us back a free market insurance industry with comation across state lines. The government has no business running our health care system it is more gov control and redistribution of wealth ...more
Aug 13, 16 9:43 PM appended by 27dan
competition
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 13, 16 9:43 PM
2,580 per month my god you would think they were happy to have you just what is going on with the insurance industry?
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 13, 16 9:56 PM
There appears to be a contest going on this thread between Right-Wing zealots as to who can post the most outrageous, libelous opinion.

As usual, those posts are FACT-FREE since the Right-Wingers herein have long ago made it clear that they believe fact to be irrelevant where it contravenes belief.

I suppose that this exercise is cathartic, seeing that they are faced with an electoral catastrophe of historic dimensions, but their fantasies leave little for rational readers to comment ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 12, 16 10:14 AM
Your long-winded name-calling adds nothing to any rational dialogue, HHH.

SH_Res asked a cogent question which only joe hampton addressed, and which you completely ignored, electing instead to punch up your mindless "Right-Wing zealots" macro.

One doesn't need to fit your R-WZ model to reject Hillary Clinton, and your continued reliance on such invective suggests that you belong to an other fringe group made up of, oh say, Left-Wing Loonies.

But don't feel badly, you don't ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 12, 16 3:09 PM
My dog leaves the room if we accidentally end up on a channel with hillary speaking. I am not kidding.
By SlimeAlive (1137), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 3:31 PM
My dog eats poop sometimes and then throws up. They are usually smart, but not always ;)
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 12, 16 3:54 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By SlimeAlive (1137), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 7:33 AM
Trump's hubris is the least of the problem with him, JH. And exactly what is his prescription to fix all of your grievances? He can say anything he wants and the syncophants fall for it. There's no there there except to take care of his taxes and those of his rich buddies. Trust me that's all he's interested in. As for Hillary taking away your guns or abolishing the Second Amendment, do you not realize what's involved in repealing an amendment to the Constitution? For any of you who do not, ...more
By June Bug (2361), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 12, 16 4:18 PM
What a pitiful C&P June. No fact , just a hate filled collection of left wing snark.
By bigfresh (4165), north sea on Aug 13, 16 6:27 AM
Garrison Keillor, an American treasure, is "pitiful"? Tells us all who's to be pitied. As for facts, since when is the right wing interested in such things?
By June Bug (2361), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 13, 16 12:10 PM
to Frank Wheeler:

Your response betrays both your vocabular ignorance and/or your negligent reading. Nothing that I have posted in this thread could be considered "invective". That MIGHT be true if I had called the Right-Wing posters "MINDLESS Right-Wing zealots" (as you assert that I did), but, of course, I did NOT. ("Right-Wing zealots", by itself, is merely descriptive.)

As for SH_Res question, "Do any of you actually think Trump would be a good president, or do you all just ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 12, 16 4:24 PM
Hillary Clinton stated Friday that she did not know if she could even stand up because she was so exhausted from the Democratic convention in Philly.


“By the end of those two weeks that’s exactly how I felt, it was, ‘Oh my gosh, I don’t know that I can get up, let alone what I will do if I am vertical,'” Hillary Clinton said in a campaign podcast.

???
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 12, 16 8:29 PM
and i thought jeb was low energy
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 12, 16 8:52 PM
Guys, stop making something out of nothing. I didn't listen to the podcast, but I'm sure she wasn't saying this seriously. People much younger than her and in fine health say this kind of thing all the time, just to make a point that they're exhausted. You should try keeping a presidential candidate's schedule during a convention week and see if you're not exhausted. Can we focus on some real issues?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 10:37 AM
Fearlessly trotting out my notorious "vocabular{sic} ignorance and/or negligent reading," you, SH_Res, are asking others to give HRC a pass on a podcast statement, yet standing with those demanding Donald Trump's blood for his throw-a-way line, perhaps said sarcastically, about 2nd Amendment supporters?

Isn't that interesting.

These are the worst Presidential choices I've had since my first time eligible in 1976 -- though 2008 was pretty dismal, too.



By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 13, 16 11:10 AM
@Frank - I'm a bit confused by the beginning of your comment because I've never criticized your vocabulary or reading comprehension. I try to stay fairly respectful when I comment. But in response to the rest of your comment - there's a big difference between a statement about being physically exhausted and one that contains insinuations about violence/murder. You can not possibly disagree with that.

I, too, am less excited about the candidates this election cycle than I have been since ...more
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 11:48 AM
@Frank responds:

It seems you haven't been following this "thread" that closely -- the quoted phrases weren't directed at anything you wrote, but at some flatulence from a pontificating gas bag slightly earlier in the comments queue.

If I gave you to think my unease can be described as "less excited," my subtlety failed to fully express my utter disdain -- make that disgust -- at the major party choices presented to us.

I understand the distinction you trying to make, ...more
By Frank Wheeler (1809), Northampton on Aug 13, 16 12:21 PM
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Ah, thanks for clarifying Frank. Agree to disagree about the statement thing, but that's OK. Hope you enjoy your day as well. Stay cool.
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Aug 13, 16 2:01 PM
I agre the choces r dismal. i dont dig the way hill talks down to AA like were stupid, well na aaa, i dont think so

Bernie was hot plated and left out to dry!
By local 84 (340), riverhead on Aug 17, 16 2:59 AM
to Frank Wheeler:

Quote:

"Your long-winded name-calling adds nothing to any rational dialogue, HHH.
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[Y]our continued reliance on such invective ["'MINDLESS' RIGHT-WING ZEALOTS"] suggests that you belong to an other fringe group made up of, oh say, LEFT-WING LOONIES.
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[T]he quoted phrases [were directed] at some FLATULENCE FROM A PONTIFICATING ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 13, 16 2:32 PM
Thursday,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said that if WikiLeaks has emails that prove Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton and her State Department were aware weapons were going to Islamic terrorists, Clinton could get five years in prison for lying to Congress."

“It’s a felony to lie to Congress. You can get five years in prison. And we can’t continue to say the Clintons are above the law. I do believe that the CIA annex in Benghazi was procuring weapons, some ...more
Aug 13, 16 10:01 PM appended by They call me
Only if we had a legitimate FBI and Justice Department, Mr. Paul
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 13, 16 10:01 PM
I noticed today that when its a Muslim that is killed, the media all say "Muslim".

When a Muslim does the killing, the media all say "gunman".

TRUMP // MAGA
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 13, 16 10:32 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

Quote:

"I just got word that Oxford is dropping me from my health plan that I have had for 7 years for no good reason, come Jan 1st. so I guess you could say yes I HATE HER!!!"
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Actually, one infers from your post that the REASON that Oxford is dropping you from your current health plan is that it no longer construes you and your wife to be a "group" which had heretofore enabled to qualify for the lower ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 13, 16 11:30 PM
First I did not enter this country illegally and if I did I should as you suggest be deported. second answer the question why do you support this obvious attack on marriage between a man and a woman.
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 14, 16 9:41 AM
to 27dan:

Quote:

"[W]hy do you support this obvious attack on marriage between a man and a woman."
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Utter Right-Wing madness.

Undocumented Democrat wants to be allowed to classify his wife and himself as a "group" solely to qualify for cheaper group health insurance and to avoid participating in the more expensive ACA individual insurance pool. If individuals such as Undocumented Democrat are permitted ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 14, 16 1:25 PM
It is a painfully simple question i asked you, if two people are considered a group example ( a gay couple or divorced couple) then why not a married couple?
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 16, 16 8:34 AM
to 27:

Quote:

"It is a painfully simple question i asked you, if two people are considered a group example ( a gay couple or divorced couple) then why not a married couple?"
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"'Simple' question"? Love the double meaning!

Here's the simple answer:

Married couples are denied coverage under group health insurance purely for underwriting reasons. The risk of illness for said couples is identical to the risk ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 16, 16 12:17 PM
So let me see if i am following you partisan train of thought ? If i am gay and my significant other is my business partner we can be coved as a group and if my business partner is my wife and we are now divorced we are still considered a group. just not is long as we are husband and wife any longer ? and you support this ???

wow you are a sick one ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 16, 16 4:19 PM
Yes, He is a twisted sort UD, Just do what my friend is going to do get a divorce on paper and live your life my man !
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 16, 16 4:23 PM
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Another fine reason for government to get out of the business of creating discriminatory benefits by regulating any kind of marriage.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Aug 16, 16 4:32 PM
Blacks voting for Hillary and the Dems in 2016 is akin to blacks voting for the plantation owners back in the days of slavery. Can they really be so gullible as to vote for their oppressors? bad enough they made him their maynard now she is steelin his talk points its bs
By local 84 (340), riverhead on Aug 17, 16 3:08 AM
Report: Weiner Caught Sexting Again; ‘Catfished’ by Republican Man


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Sorry couldn't pass that up ROTFLOL
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 16, 16 7:20 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

As I said, married couples who claim to be co-owners and sole employees of a business (or who employ only family members) are denied group health insurance in NYS because, otherwise, every married couple could avoid participation in the ACA insurance exchange by the simple subterfuge of declaring themselves a "business". However, I believe that there is also a simple way for you and your wife to obtain such coverage, to wit, hire an employee who isn't a relative. ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 16, 16 8:44 PM
So? Hat, you are ok with a gay couple being able to capitalize on the group plan just not a husband and wife ?

Wouldn't a better way to make this fair be to take away the gay couples ability to set up the two person group ?

Be careful UD once you take on that employee even one like high hat wants you to... you will expose yourself to many more regulations and intrusive practices against you. Its a trap!

Stay small and buy a more costly individual policy. You will be ...more
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 17, 16 1:06 AM
Yes UD, Joe's giving you something to think about, once you take on employees the got you buy the cashews, theres payroll, unemployment, mandatory workers comp. and if you think the ACA is unfair to you wait till you see what it is like to deal with that rigged system.
Aug 17, 16 9:02 AM appended by They call me
'WE ARE NOW ENTERING THE DEATH SPIRAL PHASE' Obamacare meltdown means Americans' health premiums rocket 40-60%
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 17, 16 9:02 AM
Hillary holds onto railing, table, chair during home visit She is obviously sick, She's just about flat lined along with her rallies, yet the lying mainstream media will have you believe she's surging in the polls! Unreal! Twilight Zone! Would not surprise me if the media tries to push her corpse into the oval office.

Are you Ready...
Aug 17, 16 1:15 AM appended by joe hampton
ZOGBY POLL: CLINTON LEADS TRUMP BY TWO POINTS, THE MEDIA MUST ADMIT ITS BACK TO A CLOSE RACE
By joe hampton (3300), Hamptons on Aug 17, 16 1:15 AM
BUT BUT BUT THE MEDIA SAYS HILLARY HAS IT IN THE BAG!

LMFAO!

I can't wait for November 8.
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 17, 16 9:10 AM
This should not be a surprise, as you point out. I'm pretty sure that the numbers would be even higher if they polled the people on unamously.

I had CBS Morning News running in the background this morning while I was working, and I swear the first 15 minutes of their national broadcast was nothing but one slam against Trump after another. It was striking how blatantly negative these ostensibly neutral professional journalists really were.

but what does not add up at all is the ...more
Aug 17, 16 9:19 AM appended by 27dan
anonymously
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 17, 16 9:19 AM
i just read that a new la times poll taken today says the race is trending trump!

"Shaded gray area indicates the race is too close to call.
Sources: USC Dornsife/LA Times Presidential Election Daybreak Poll"
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 17, 16 9:40 AM
REST TIME? No more public events for Hillary until Sunday

Hillary Clinton just wrapped up her one public appearance for the day, and she has nothing else scheduled until Sunday.

Hillary Clinton resting cropWith 83 days to go, what’s she doing for the next 96 hours?

She just held a rally in Cleveland, Ohio, where she struggled to fill a high school gymnasium — if it wasn’t for hundreds of students.
Aug 17, 16 9:06 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
POTUS is too tough of a job to elect someone who is mentally and physically challenged. Hillary appears to be failing right before our eyes. TRUMP 2016!
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 17, 16 9:06 PM
to joe hampton (& 27dan & They call me & Undocumented Democrat):

Quote:

"So? Hat, you are ok with a gay couple being able to capitalize on the group plan just not a husband and wife ?

Wouldn't a better way to make this fair be to take away the gay couples ability to set up the two person group ?"
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Actually, 2 person Partner (that means "Gay") only businesses are ALSO excluded from group health coverage ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 17, 16 9:46 PM
Nope i will go without before i let this corrupt one sided garbage win . Sorry but i will go without for the first time ever and I will probably regret it if one of my family gets ill. but I do not care!
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 18, 16 12:26 AM
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CLINTON CASH’ GRAPHIC NOVEL’ DEBUTS #1 ON NYT GRAPHIC NOVEL BESTSELLERS LIST
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 18, 16 12:47 AM
I'll leave it to you to google the reliability of the information in that book.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 18, 16 1:50 AM
KABC’s Dr. Drew Pinsky said he’s “gravely concerned” about the health care Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton is receiving during a radio interview with Doug McIntyre on Tuesday.
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 18, 16 2:12 AM
to Undocumented Democrat:

Quote:

"Nope i will go without before i let this corrupt one sided garbage win . Sorry but i will go without for the first time ever and I will probably regret it if one of my family gets ill. but I do not care!"
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Nothing could say more about your character and your values. You spurn your civic obligation, and put your wife and your children's health and future at risk, because the thought ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 18, 16 11:24 AM
No I was much happier living in a free country who's laws and values rewarded hard work individual determination and sacrifice instead of punishing success.

What i am doing is everything in my power to assure my children grow up in a country that still values individualism and abides by the constitution. if i did not stand up for those values and do my part to try a stop this hostile takeover and redistribution of wealth then i have thought them nothing and there children will be doomed ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 18, 16 10:09 PM
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TRUMP SHOWS HEART!
'I will never lie to you'...
I Regret Causing Personal Pain...
'I will be champion of the people'...
'LET OUR CHILDREN BE DREAMERS, TOO'...
Will visit Louisiana flood victims on Friday...
Challenges old truths in media...
Aug 18, 16 10:13 PM appended by They call me
BUCHANAN: October surprise for Hillary... 257 DAYS SINCE LAST PRESS CONFERENCE...
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 18, 16 10:13 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:

What a fine, uncompromising statement of principle. Have you, however, conferred with your "loved" ones and ascertained that THEY are willing to pay the price of YOUR beliefs. Do THEY concur with your decision to forgo health insurance?

Isn't it a more reasonable, unselfish and LOVING alternative to go bareback yourself but leave your family responsibly insured? That way, in the event of serious medical problems, THEY would receive the treatment that ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 19, 16 9:36 AM
You are a all out fraud.

I never admitted any such thing and I dare you to show me were I said that!

If i remember correctly your little partner in dysfunction (P@Home)who has been banned from this sight for his behavior was the one asserting i was illegal.

You sir own me an apogee!

As far as my family is concerned i would never leave them un protected and i have started an aggressive health care savings account as well as looking into a private doctor network.i ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 19, 16 1:38 PM
Easy UD, your going to break him again.

The nine most dreadful words in the English language are, "We’re from the government, and we’re here to help"

Obamacare’s Bait and Switch Has Left Consumers Scrambling in 2016

Consumers used to have an option for that kind of health insurance – catastrophic coverage, used to indemnify against unforeseen major health events. Those policies featured low premiums and left routine care for consumers to negotiate ...more
By They call me (2620), southampton on Aug 19, 16 1:48 PM
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Question : Why Isn’t Obama in Louisiana?

Answer Homeland Chief: ‘He Has A Very Busy Schedule’

‘Can’t Be Everywhere’
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 19, 16 1:55 PM
giggle
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 19, 16 6:45 PM
Obviously you have no idea of what's entailed in a presidential visit. Those poor souls are neck deep in water and muck and until that all subsides, it is no time to interfere with the rescue effort with the disruption of motorcades, motorcycles, greeting committees, etc. The local officials have way too much on their plates right now. Even the governor said better for the president to wait a bit, and Trump's showboating is disgusting.
By June Bug (2361), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 19, 16 7:22 PM
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So, all the first responders, cops, etc, are supposed to stop doing what they are doing and devote themselves to the show that is a presidential visit?
You KNOW timing is everything.
And you got yourself a groupie below egging you on.
Shameful.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Aug 25, 16 2:50 PM
i just read the obama administration admitted $400M was a payoff for u.s. hostages ?

didn't obama just say last week "we do not pay ransom" i am confused? how do they get away with this stuff it seems to me the bs the american public every day and the media just keeps covering for them?
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Aug 19, 16 6:44 PM
to Undocumented Democrat:
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“You are a all out fraud.

I never admitted any such thing [i.e. being an an illegal alien] and I dare you to show me were I said that!”

- Undocumented Democrat (supra)
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By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 20, 16 12:28 AM
It is much more complected than what you and you alter ego have inferred. I arrived here due to a asylum type situation because of a government that was so corrupt it was criminal. I was in the military and the Regan administration helped me by invitation, the rest I can not talk about even if I wanted to. so please do not speak so condescendingly and with such authority on something you know nothing about. I assure you I did not crawl under a fence in the middle of the night. Again you sir owe ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 20, 16 9:20 AM
to Undocumented Democrat:

You made two statements, in print, to which all readers may refer. In the first, in 2012, you confessed to being an illegal alien (and being ashamed of the fact.) In the second (supra), you FLATLY denied making the statement and dared me to "show you where you said it", which I did.

Your statements are mutually contradictory (i.e one of them is a LIE.) Your rationalizations in your ultimate post don't change that fact. If anyone is due an apology, ...more
By highhatsize (3927), East Quogue on Aug 20, 16 10:55 AM
Ashamed was not a good word more like humbled, But I still wish i could have applied from my country and waited my turn instead of jumping the line but that was not possible. I am forever grateful to the US and that is why I feel so strongly that It should never waiver from the great country it was in 1982, but i am afraid it grows closer to what i escaped everyday.
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Aug 20, 16 3:41 PM