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Jan 31, 2014 11:09 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

27east.com To Implement Metered Subscription Plan

Jan 31, 2014 3:28 PM

In its ongoing effort to improve reader satisfaction, the Press News Group will soon replace its online pay system for access to its website, 27east.com.

Current print or online subscribers to The Southampton Press, The East Hampton Press or 27east.com will see no change in their digital experience on the website.

Beginning on Friday, February 7, visitors to 27east.com who have not subscribed to the paper or website will be able to sample seven articles per month—for free—after which they will be invited to subscribe to The Press. After the seven-article limit has been reached, visitors can still access articles on the site, but will be limited to short abstracts of the articles until the clock is reset after one month.

Scores of media outlets across the country have adopted a metering subscription system and have found that readers, after given a chance to examine the quality news coverage on the website at no charge, were eager to subscribe and have access to stories on an unlimited basis.

The new metering system replaces the current system of restricting access to a majority of content on the website to non-subscribers only.

Many features of the website that are currently free to visitors to 27east.com—including community photos, restaurant listings and reviews, business listings, classified ads and the East End’s most comprehensive events calendar—will remain accessible regardless of subscription status.

Subscribers will continue to have unlimited access to the site. Both print- and digital-only subscriptions are available, including a 99-cent one-month trial subscription. For subscription information, click on the subscribe button in the upper right corner of the homepage, or call 283-4100.

Bill Sutton is director of digital media for the Press News Group.

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some will never subscribe due to privacy concerns
By loading... (556), quiogue on Jan 31, 14 11:18 AM
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Could you be more specific about the privacy concerns you have?

Is there a privacy concern for instance with a subscription to the print edition which is mailed to you in the US Mail, and if so, wouldn't this apply to all subscriptions for other papers, magazines, etc. which come in the mail?

Or are you referring to electronic privacy concerns with your identity, ISP address, credit card information etc.? Do your concerns include the commenting process and possible disclosure of ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 12:13 PM
PS -- A print subscription is a great deal IMO, especially at the annual renewal rate of $10 I believe, as it permits one to see each week's paper full size, starting on Wednesday afternoon, including all the editorial content and classifieds.

The link at the top of the Home Page is the doorway to this process: "READ PRESS NEWSPAPERS." Included are all the print editions: EH Press, SH Press and Western Edition ("The Chronicle").

All printed supplements are here too -- a great deal ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 12:20 PM
PS2 loading ... , you realize that when you post a comment here, even as a guest who has not provided much personal information, that your ISP address is known to this site, which means that your exact location and computer can be identified by the authorities, if it comes to that for some reason (assuming a hard line cable/telco connection)?

If you are using a cell phone, tablet, etc. and posting via a cell tower link, the tower ID and your device's ISP address is known, which can be ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 8:15 PM
As a non-subscriber limited to two comments per day, I gift you with my remaining response.
If I was worried about the authorities (hello, NSA!), I would be absent from the blogosphere completely. Having been a victim of identity theft, I use my credit card rarely, and never on the internet. When I go to Target, I carry cash.
By loading... (556), quiogue on Jan 31, 14 10:35 PM
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Thank you for the gift, but I still don't see what additional risk a print subscription would carry for you, if you accept that "they" probably already know who and where you are, or could learn this even if you don't subscribe.

Condolences for the ID theft problems -- no fun indeed.
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:26 AM
A subscription might also affect my diet. As much as I love a cheese danish with my morning coffee, a limit of one per week has been self-imposed. I pick it up along with the Western Edition and, weather permitting, consume both at a sidewalk table outside the deli. This weekly anticipation might be upset by a subscription, thereby causing an uptick in danish consumption, negatively impacting my eventual svelte physique.
P.S. thanks for the condolences...my ID was recovered with just a few ...more
By loading... (556), quiogue on Feb 3, 14 10:03 AM
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Good way to ensure I will never visit your site again. Cheers!
By johnj (985), Westhampton on Jan 31, 14 1:42 PM
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Why on earth would you think you're entitled to free use of a service forever?

How do you think newspapers function? Magic? They're businesses.

Your profile says you've posted on this site 156 times. It obviously has value to you. But you're not willing to pay for it?
By Will_James (1), 66 Nicholls Road on Jan 31, 14 11:04 PM
Excellent questions.
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:55 AM
Nobody is going to miss you, not even the
Southampton Press.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 10:49 AM
I have purchased the Southampton Press for more than 40 years but do not subscribe. I look forward to my weekly visit to my local newspaper store to buy the paper and support a local business.. This option does not work for people like me--the old school. I, too, will now not be using this site.
By Mrs.Sea (267), Sag Harbor on Jan 31, 14 3:18 PM
I'm confused. Isn't the press a free paper? They make most of there money off of advertising. Looks like they are exploring other ways to increase revenue.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 31, 14 11:39 PM
No, it is not free. If you have been picking it up in the store and taking it home, you are a thief.
By VOS (1195), WHB on Feb 1, 14 12:13 AM
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VOS you may need to leave WHB and go to East Hampton, where I believe the East Hampton Press is indeed free, which was originally done as a marketing move IMO.

Your Press in WHB (the Western Edition -- the old Chronicle if you remember that name) costs a buck. Does this edition still say "Incorporating the Hampton Bays News" someplace?
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:19 AM
I remember when the transition was made. Someone--it was either Arthur DiPietro or Dean Speir, I think--made the very funny point that the paper would likely have the "Hampton Chronicle-News" subhead slowly fade away, week after week, until it finally disappeared entirely.
By BigBlue (12), Water Mill on Feb 10, 14 3:46 PM
East Hampton Patch
East Hampton Star

both are still free online
By marybmary (53), east hampton on Jan 31, 14 3:24 PM
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No, EH Star does same thing
By Photoman (10), East hampton on Jan 31, 14 5:05 PM
The Patch sites cannot hold a candle to the Press for the breadth and depth of news coverage. [not to mention that they are funded by the deep pocket corporate giant AOL, and are a Trojan Horse, one purpose of which is to drive the local print media out of business IMO.]

Patronize Patch at the risk of losing the Press and the Star among others, again in my personal opinion.

The local reporting on Patch is quite mixed, with Ms. Vecsey (sp?) doing an good job. Former Press reporter ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:49 AM
Why doesn't this article, and therefore the company, just tell the truth. Instead of writing silly things like "in its ongoing effort to improve reader satisfaction...", just level with your non-subscription readers and come out and say that the real reason you are making the change is to drive more revenue from people who are likely still looked at in-house as a bunch of freeloaders. The company is just closing the loop to derive more income from the site, and that may be a logical business thing ...more
By Rickenbacker (255), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 4:15 PM
I have both the digital and weekly printed version of the Southampton Press delivered to my mailbox.. I pay a fee to ten dollars quarterly. I find I am not even opening the printed edition anymore when it comes as it is stale news. I will probably go to digital only soon. One thing I do like is access to the Southampton Press' archives which go back many years.

I wonder if the days are number for the weekly town papers on the south fork. But some folks still prefer the hard copy.
By BruceB (142), Sag Harbor on Jan 31, 14 4:54 PM
Great point about access to the archives, for which the search function works well IMO.
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 8:05 PM
For non-subscribers, this sounds like a better "read" than current, where most articles are "locked" anyway, so all you get is the abstract. if you can now get 7 full articles (that would likely currently be locked) and then continue to get abstracts (same as the current "locked") then its better.
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Jan 31, 14 5:55 PM
So you people are suprised the paper is trying to make more money? The SHP needs to make more money so they can can pay for the liberal policies they support. And. Or. They can make more money since at heart they are really really republicans. This is the Hamptons. And we need to support the people who are keeping our taxes lower and employing our citizens.
By realistic (464), westhampton on Jan 31, 14 7:59 PM
Folks, the bottom line is that publishing the Press and 27east costs a bundle of money, and readers both print and electronic must share some of the costs. If you think the Star and Patch come even close to the Press and 27east for quality and quantity of local news, fair enough, but this reader disagrees.

There is no free lunch.

If two years of the Press costs $60 total, that amounts to Eight Cents per day. Is this really expensive? (And the annual renewals are under three cents ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 8:03 PM
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I'm surprised that this article isn't locked!
By Lets go mets (357), Southampton on Jan 31, 14 10:15 PM
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My principle reason for declining to subscribe to The Press is that it is indifferent to preserving its subscribers' anonymity. As a frequent critic of the STPD, I fear retaliation (a fear engendered by the selfsame p.d. behavior that I criticize) and those worthies could have my identity from the Press for the asking.

Secondly, I hold the Press's unique-unto-itself practice (within the Comments section) of censoring links to other media to be contemptible and unethical and would never ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 1, 14 11:32 AM
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Moderating the topicality and appropriateness of comments here necessarily includes, in many instances, having to assess all the content within each URL-linked site/page. Such a task involves way too much labor cost to keep the discussions here in check IMO.

Those who find such a practice "contemptible and unethical" should feel free to start their own publication, or move on from such a scurrilous and inferior location!

Clearly the editors have very:

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Have ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 1:45 PM
I have never been a fan of unmoderated comment sections, primarily because it becomes a sort of entertainment in itself and detracts many times from the article that supposedly was well-researched and professionally written. Attack the issues, not the people in the articles or the commenters themselves. This is not true of all comments, of course, but I believe many readers would like to see comments relevant to the issue at hand rather than the flaming that often occurs.

That said, if ...more
By Rickenbacker (255), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:29 PM
I guess I will continue to use patch
By BlueStreak (34), East End on Feb 1, 14 1:03 PM
LOLOLOLOL. have any of you bloviated bumpkins looked at patch lately? it's over in the hamptons. have fun reading about bar specials and house fires in dix hills. they fired their last local editor and you got a lady on the north fork reporting on southampton and east hampton now. like it or not this site was always the best source for local news and now it's the only one.
By em (50), east hampton on Feb 3, 14 11:54 AM
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Well said.
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 3, 14 11:59 AM
to PBR:

Quote:

"Moderating the topicality and appropriateness of comments here necessarily includes, in many instances, having to assess all the content within each URL-linked site/page."
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Utter rubbish.

No other news website "moderates" links and the Press is under no burden to do so. Its sole reason for censoring them is to prevent readers from leaving ITS pages for ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 1, 14 2:21 PM
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Disagree. Have a good weekend with joy and love in your heart, if you have one!
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 2:27 PM
"have a good weekend" is his out. He repeats it almost as often as "IMO". PBR, we know it's you're opinion because you're the one saying it and no one would dare think that your words were the opinions of others. Have a good weekend....with some ice cream...IMO
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 14 10:46 AM
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Have a nice Sunday gossip with each other . . .
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 2, 14 12:37 PM
Let's all sing along... You take the HIGH road, I'll take the LOOWWWW road.... (IMO)
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 14 12:59 PM
umm, Patch just laid off most of it's staff as part of a "restructuring" related to their recent sale to a vulture firm. Beginning of the end for that venture, and not surprising either.
Covering the news in depth and broadly is expensive. We are blessed to have some of the best weekly newspapers in america right here in our backyard.
As others on this board have noted, $10 a quarter is a pittance (80 cents a WEEK for heaven's sake) to help keep companies like this in business.
As ...more
By GlassHouses (64), anywhere on Feb 1, 14 3:21 PM
The editors here do a fine job moderating the comments in my opinion. This is a local paper reporting local news, which can be discussed well without URL links. The editors allow a certain latitude for comments which refer generally to other Long Island and East End publications. Further discretion is granted for links which refer to government primary sources such as Town Board agendas and documents, weather information, etc. -- which involve no additional human content added -- "just the facts ...more
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 1, 14 3:27 PM
Banning of URLS has nothing to do with the content of said URLS and everything to do with preventing people from leaving this site.

When a URL is posted to any other news organization or a government website - it's obvious that there isn't "questionable" material being linked to (even if there was, who cares). It's all about retaining viewers on this site so they can tell advertisers how much time people are on here.

I think it's stupid and annoying - but hey it's the prerogative ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 14 10:50 AM
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As if the absence of URL's forces someone to stay here? Readers don't know how to get other sites? Get real.

You and your buddy HHS are being myopic and naive IMO.

The editors simply don't want to police the comments that much, period, and there is growing evidence herein that their stand is not only justified but



WISE!



[IMO]

PS -- And I stand up for the Press because of the ENDLESS naysayers -- you have it backwards!
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 2, 14 11:33 AM
Banning URLs doesn't force anyone to stay here - but it prevents someone from copying and pasting the link and leaving the site immediately. It's common sense PBR. I hope the Press is giving you a cut for the endless "standing up" you're doing.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 2, 14 12:59 PM
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Web based advertising is based on hits on a site. If less people hit this site than that is bad for advertising. The press is being very short sighted in a new world of free news.
By chief1 (2718), southampton on Feb 2, 14 9:40 AM
I am still not sure how this is going to affect our coments... But if it also limits our ability to discuss the topics as we have done for years... It will affect a lot.

It is true I value my privacy and will not subscribe due to the creepy nature of this being such a small town were everyone talks to much,

But, it is also true I pay the press far more than most visitors in advertising and if this metering effects the comments It will also effect the traffic to the site and I ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 2, 14 3:24 PM
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I think you are absolutely right. I think many people will not subscribe as a result of this and therefore the quality and quantity of the comments forum will fall. IMO...:) There will still be discussion, but that discussion will be by a smaller and less diverse group. The same people arguing the same points over and over.
One of the attributes of this site is this comments section. Often we learn more from the comments section than the articles because of what people in the know contribute. ...more
By V.Tomanoku (743), southampton on Feb 2, 14 6:14 PM
see you all on


PATCH
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 3, 14 1:00 AM
Yes I may not buy a subscription here for the same privacy concerns but I do buy two papers a week at the store to read in the car and at work. This is a alienating move on the presses part
By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 3, 14 4:57 PM
I think that most readers have misconstrued the reason that the Press offers a "Comments" section. Herewith the things that it is NOT interested in:

1) Augmenting its own news withe new provided by readers
2) Providing a forum for civic participation in questions of local import
3) Having a tool by which to gauge local interest in newsworthy topics
4) Attracting more readers in order to increase online advertising rates
5) Stimulating Comment readers to purchase the print ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 4, 14 12:46 PM
Someone's feeling myopic today...
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 14 1:11 PM
And they can also protect there version of what is news worth and keep everyones head where they want it

"In the sand"

Which should suit you and Phil just fine
By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 4, 14 4:47 PM
Because like most liberal entity's they want to maintain control of what the people are exposed to.They do not like competing in a forum of open ideas where young people may be exposed to an alternate view, a view that they have spent so much time and energy sculpting. freedom of speech is dangerous to the progressive agenda.It is obvious some of us are a real thorn in the side of a few peoples political views at the press and now they will try and restrain opinions more.

Sunlight is the ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 4, 14 4:55 PM
Relax UD the way i see it you won...

You forced them to shut it down becoming xenophobic, and isolated again. In the end making the paper more insignificant... look at MSNBC ratings.

It gives people incentive to start different forums where the people can express there thoughts freely.

I to am offended by this move and trust me if I pull my advertising they will feel it.

By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 4, 14 5:07 PM
Anyone can be fearless from behind a keyboard.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 4, 14 10:52 PM
Good one Phil.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 7:39 AM
to 27dan, Undocumented Democrat, and joe hampton:

Nope. The Press it just business. Its only ideological tenet is "Make More Money", which I propose as a logo for its masthead. I challenge any of you to provide an example wherein Press news coverage has been distorted by a "liberal" bias. The Press isn't trying to stop you from directing readers to your loopy Right-Wing propaganda sites. It simply doesn't want anyone going anywhere other than the Press for "news" (and I include the ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 4, 14 5:40 PM
To be honest I re read the article and I do not see anything that would lead us to believe that the comment section will behave any different and maybe everyone is in a panic over nothing...

Maybe now they could even lift the ridiculous 2 comment limit in a 24 hour period as it seems only to encourage people to move on to other sites during the day that in turn reduces clicks and is bad for advertising stats
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 4, 14 5:54 PM
HHS be honest, Phil is the one who tries to post links and direct people off site. Most of us are happy to stay right here on site
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 4, 14 6:01 PM
Cut and paste to disprove this!

When President Obama was first inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt of the U.S. government was $10,626,877,048,913.08, according to the Treasury Department’s Bureau of the Public Debt. As of Jan. 31, 2014, the latest day reported, the debt was $17,293,019,654,983.61

An increase of $6,666,142,606,070.53 since Obama’s first inauguration.

By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 4, 14 11:07 PM
Who is we?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 10:24 PM
"Thank you masked men . . . "


[Lenny Bruce]
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 5, 14 6:43 AM
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to Captn America:

Quote:

" ... 15% of our current debt can be attributed to Iraq and Afghanistan."
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Well, shoot, that's a measly $2.6 trillion dollars. Why is everyone getting on George the Worst's case for a rounding error?

Of course, when one adds the cost of pulling the economy out of the toilet in which he left it and the boom in entitlement spending caused by the millions ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 5, 14 2:12 PM
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oh you are sipping the kool aid again
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 5, 14 2:47 PM
Fiat currency M2 tally:

11 Trillion and rising c. 87 billion per month...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 5, 14 4:39 PM
I really shouldn't jump into this because it's so offtopic and I really don't like participating in this endless federal budget obama/bush/republican/democrat thing BUT here's a simply way at looking at the debt increases from when Obama took over after Bush.

When a pitcher loads the bases and is taken out by the coach a reliever comes in. A reliever can give up three straight walks and he will not be charged for a single run. The reliever can give up a grand slam and only be tagged with ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 2:36 PM
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Agreed, But we must also remember if that reliever also started the next game of a double header we can no longer hold the starting pitcher from game one accountable...
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 5, 14 2:51 PM
Your reply makes me laugh (in a good way). Great contiuation of the analogy.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 3:21 PM
Followed by six years of worse decision making....
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 10:26 PM
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to Captn America:

There is no contributor to this forum that takes up more space and is less responsive. One awaits with anticipation the moment when you actually comprehend the point of a post and respond appropriately.

To repeat, the ENTIRE increase in federal spending following George the Worst is a product of HIS depression.

Of course President Obama initiated NEW spending needed to resurrect an economy prostrated by the Republicans. That's why the debt ceiling ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 5, 14 10:33 PM
I disagree HHS. Obama has had plenty of opportunity and time to follow through on his campaign promises. He is ill equipped to fix the problems that we face, as is most of the gov't. He is kicking the can down the road and frankly the blame Bush line is so tired.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 5, 14 11:37 PM
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Cap they dont want them anyway

"For some people, CBO notes, the incentive to reduce their hours or quit their jobs will be especially strong: for some people those subsidies will drop abruptly to zero when income crosses the threshold.
The Obamacare subsidy cliff is so steep that if you earn just $1 above the threshold, you could end up paying $20,000 more for insurance, depending on your age."

By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 6, 14 11:16 AM
Dan is right have you seen the morning paper its disgusting,

The New York Times editorial board has decided that the elimination of 2.5 million full-time jobs due to Obamacare is a great thing for the country.
The loss of all those jobs, the editorial board says, "is mostly a good thing, a liberating result of the law."

The Times seems quite pleased that over two million Americans will be "liberated" from their jobs. How can they claim this is good? Because the paper seems ...more
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 6, 14 11:26 AM
Didn't you guys pay attention to Pelosi on Sunday... Working less than a 40-hour work week means freedom to ‘follow your passion’

Americans with a lot free time on their hands thanks to Obamacare can spend it pursuing their happiness instead of earning a living,

Where are the jobs?
By philathome on Feb 6, 14 6:10 AM


APPROVING KEYSTONE WOULD BE A START
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 6, 14 11:32 AM
the Demokratz are fine with less people working, it means more dependency on the government that means more Demokrat votes, can't bite the hand that feeds you!
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 6, 14 12:03 PM
the Demokratz are fine with less people working, it means more dependency on the government that means more Demokrat votes, can't bite the hand that feeds you!
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 6, 14 12:03 PM
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What better example could there be to highlight the difference between the Right-Wing and Liberals? Whereas the Right-Wing decries the fact that Affordable Care will enable Americans to quit hateful jobs to which they have been heretofore shackled by having health insurance available only through their employer, Liberals rejoice in the freedom of choice that they now enjoy.

The Right-WIng will always choose coercion (of others) over free choice when it suits their purpose.

By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 6, 14 12:56 PM
HHS,you have officially jumped the shark.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 6, 14 1:53 PM
Liberals rejoice in the freedom of choice that they now enjoy.

PAYED FOR BY US
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 6, 14 3:14 PM
At least the average news consumer is finally seeing what we new all along.

This is nothing more than the redistribution of wealth (robbery) be people that don't care to work as hard as we do.

Steal from the rich to buy votes from the poor
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 6, 14 3:19 PM
this is so disgusting, i have no words to describe it, yet a bunch of you voted for this twice. now own it. it seems to me our president has declred war on successful hardworking people by incentivizing sloths and has sought to punish hard workers. in the long term this will bring down our society to the likes of a third world country.

so disgusting
By Erin 27 E (1209), southampton on Feb 6, 14 3:42 PM
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Here's some basics, by the numbers:

"It's not true, of course. Ronald Reagan said that his tax cuts would reduce deficits, then presided over a near-tripling of federal debt. When Bill Clinton raised taxes on top incomes, conservatives predicted economic disaster; what actually followed was an economic boom and a remarkable swing from budget deficit to surplus. Then the Bush tax cuts came along, helping turn that surplus into a persistent deficit, even before the crash.

But we're ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 7, 14 12:24 PM
So to recap this week events,

Adminastration taxes millionaires who create jobs, while Obamacare creates incentives not to work at those jobs. No wonder recovery is so anemic. The policy here is to create fewer jobs and induce people to work less at those jobs. If my logic is correct, this runs counter to the most basic principles of our economy and our country.

What happened to the America with the virtues of work, family and opportunity.

What I see from the Obama administration ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 7, 14 9:38 AM
Well, at least we learned there is not a smidgen of corruption
Feb 7, 14 9:54 AM appended by joe hampton
Did you notice how the community organizers in this room did not even want to touch that... Well done TCM
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 7, 14 9:54 AM
no corruption found because there was (and is) no investigation
By loading... (556), quiogue on Feb 7, 14 12:05 PM
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"(Social Security) has to be means-tested. And Medicare needs to be means-tested...Let the Bush tax cuts expire. Let the capital gains go back to the same rate as ordinary income."

"The Republican Party has totally abdicated its job in our democracy, which is to act as the guardian of fiscal discipline and responsibility. They're on an anti-tax jihad -- one that benefits the prosperous classes."

"I invest in anything that Bernanke can’t destroy, including gold, canned beans, ...more
Feb 7, 14 12:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
The Triumph of Politics: Why the Reagan Revolution Failed
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 7, 14 12:31 PM
Let capitalism work, Get out of the way with your stimulus and redistribution,

That goes for the rhinos as well,

17% vat flat tax (No income tax needed) exclude food and meds, is more than enough for the federal government to work

Fix property taxes for the individual to the year you buy the home so nobody gets priced out of there neighborhood.

After that just let the system work and stop both sides from buying votes
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 7, 14 12:50 PM
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Now you getting the idea

The government should get out of the redistribution business assistance should be on a state, local and church level for family's who truly have hit hard times

We have allowed them to crate a disaster
Feb 7, 14 1:03 PM appended by joe hampton
Did you notice how the community organizers in this room did not even want to touch that... Well done TCM and don't forget bullets oh sorry i forgot the feds keep buying them all before the hit the shelves wonder what they are doing that for?
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 7, 14 1:03 PM
Keep on thinkin' joe.

Someday you (and TCM) will figure out that won't work. The only way to remove the "buying of votes" is to kill Citizens United, and Corporate Personhood.

How foolish ye mortals be...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 2:06 AM
FYI, courtesy of Reclaim Democracy:

"Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States"


When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 2:08 AM
What's up, I thought today was the day everyone was moving over to Patch?
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 7, 14 12:46 PM
to loading, "no corruption found because there was (and is) no investigation"

Not true this from todays news

Top secret Benghazi documents prove Obama administration 'knew about terrorist attack within minutes'

•Newly declassified testimonies about what happened among Pentagon officials the night of the Benghazi attack on September 11, 2012 have been obtained

•The documents show the U.S. military found out about 15 minutes after the attack - which ...more
By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 7, 14 1:13 PM
Too many scandals to keep track of. I was responding to the joe hampton comment about there not being a "smidgen" of corruption, as claimed by Dear Leader in his interview with O'Reilly, concerning the IRS scandal. 41 witnesses and not one of them has been interviewed by DOJ or FBI. If there is no investigation, then there must be no corruption, right? Sebelius hiding behind the Constitution, tattered as it is by her boss, hints at more than a smidgen of corruption in my opinion. One person ...more
By loading... (556), quiogue on Feb 7, 14 2:59 PM
If you goggle Krazy Klown Kar Phil's favorite phrase it seems to come back to some communist site "DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUD" sounds about right



Feb 7, 14 4:48 PM appended by They call me
You are all welcome to check it out but if I were you I would just take my word for it because the Occupy Movement seems to be alive and well at that site and It will make you puke.
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 7, 14 4:48 PM
i fail to see what is " off the rails " i watched the u tube video and found it very interesting thank goodness there are still some hard working family men with values left on long island. i learn alot from these boards that i would never find out from average news shows. thank you
Feb 7, 14 5:00 PM appended by Erin 27 E
while i was on you tube i watched this video 65 outrageous lies by president obama . i would like to hear your reaction to it Phillip
By Erin 27 E (1209), southampton on Feb 7, 14 5:00 PM
to Erin 27 E:

The obsession of Right-Wingers with calling up every putative presidential misstatement is merely revelatory of the fact that they can find nothing to fault objectively in his policies. (The unemployment rate, for instance, has fallen to 6.6%!)

Were Liberals to behave so fecklessly, we might endlessly moan about some of George the Worst's falsehoods* rather than point out the EFFECT of his DISASTROUS policies. (An unemployment rate of 10%, a mistaken war that will ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 7, 14 11:30 PM
High Hat while you were talking to Cap it seems our founding fathers called.... they want their country back!
By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 8, 14 2:26 AM
to Captn America:

Well, at least you are debating whether President Obama's policies have been effective rather than whether he "lied" although I do note your disingenuous exculpation of George the Worst for his hundreds of lies about Iraq.

I see, moreover, that you are still trying to finesse the 33% decline in the unemployment rate under Obama (to 6.6%) as if it were not calculated using precisely the same metrics by which the 10% unemployment rate under George the Worst was ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 8, 14 1:41 AM
You can start on You Tube with,

How The Democrats Caused The Financial Crisis: Starring Bill Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo And Barack Obama; With Special Guest Appearances By Bill Clinton And Jimmy Carter

ROTFLOL



By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 8, 14 2:09 AM
Persons who caused the "financial crisis":

Alan Greenspan
Ronald Reagan
Phil Gramm
James Leach
Thomas J. Bliley
Wendy Gramm
Chris Cox
Angelo Mozillo
Hank Paulson
Joe Cassano
Frank Raines
Ian Mc Carthy
Kathleen Corbet
Marion and Herb Sandler
Dick Fuld
Stan O'Neal
George W. Bush
Wen Jiabao
David Lereah
John DeVaney
Lew Raineiri
Burton Jablin
Fred Goodwin
Sandy Weill
David Oddsson
Jimmy Cayne
Feb 8, 14 2:25 AM appended by Mr. Z
et al...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 2:25 AM
SAYS YOU, I SAY BS

THEY DID NOT CAUSE IT THEY PARTICIPATED

FDR CAUSED IT,

thats when this progresive takeover started

Roosevelt was a disaster president. He was a fascist tyrant that:

Tried to Stack the supreme court to get his way, even Democrats spoke out against it.

imposed punitive taxes against business

Favored big business over small business - Crony Capitalism

Imposed a tax of 100% on all income above 25K in 1942.

Massive ...more
By 27dan (2703), Southampton on Feb 8, 14 2:35 AM
Phil, "we let? Who is we? You never seem to be able to answer this very simple question.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 8:40 AM
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Ahh, another vague answer from Phil. Always sidestepping, deflecting and childishly throwing back. Your arguments are utterly simple minded and as usual you suffer from a lack of original thought and and a severe case of false bravado. "Inconsequential" is an apt projection.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 12:57 PM
Name calling? You making stuff up again?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 4:15 PM
@27dan: You call "BS" because you have a gross and negligent lack of understanding culture and daily life. Which in turn leads to being inept at history.

Oh well...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 4:41 PM
Not quite Phil but nice stretch.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 5:08 PM
LOL, are you kidding? Is that the best you got? Rubber meet glue. Phil, you are fooling no one.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 9:03 PM
"I don't care what you say about me"

Of course you do Phil. Why else do you protest so much?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 9:46 PM
Oh please, cut and paste away. Always good for a laugh.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 3:32 PM
Just got in from playing cards with some real nice folks... Glad my friends in NY are getting along so well this evening... makes me want to come back to the progressive toilet sooner

Gonna go take a dip on the pool then hit the hay

Good night all...
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 8, 14 2:51 AM
Why come back. Worried about your employees on unemployment insurance.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 8, 14 2:13 PM
Sheer folly . . .
By PBR (4917), Southampton on Feb 8, 14 9:57 AM
No GLBA = no financial crisis

Since no one is able to come to this startling conclusion, I'll say it. We haven't had a good president in almost a century. And yes Reagan was a scandalous crappy president who sold this country out to the financial industry. Please do get over it.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 12:42 PM
Z, a century is a long time and that is a depressing thought about the state of politics in our country. A country that I still think is the greatest in the world but a shadow of what it used to be and a unrecognizable from what it was intended to be.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 1:00 PM
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Unfortunately there is no evidence whatsoever to back the statement that this is the greatest country in the world. It takes a serious level of hubris to say that at this point considering we have a level of socioeconomic disparity which rivals few. Our Gini Coefficient is probably close to 50 and has steadily increased since the Seventies when it was quite a bit lower. That's on par with countries like China, Chile, Swaziland, and El Salvador. It's NOT something to be proud of. Developed countries ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 3:26 PM
Ha, ok, no other country I would want to live in. Still lots of great things about this country even with the dysfunction.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 4:13 PM
No doubt.

Yosemite, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Daniel Boone Forest, Mammoth NP, Crater NP, and even the Catskills.

But "Greatest Country on Earth"?

Nope, we've got a long way to go...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 4:20 PM
And while we argued during this latest battle how much money did they print
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 8, 14 1:39 PM
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According to the St. Louis Fed we've broken the ice on 11 trillion dollars in M2 fiat currency.

Can't imagine why things cost so much. Weimar Republic anyone?
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 4:10 PM
to Captn America:

When Affordable Care has been fully implemented, perhaps some authoritative body will calculate how much the average family would have paid for their current level of health insurance were Affordable Care NOT the law. As things stand, nobody knows whether that figure will be higher or lower, or by how much. Ergo, your assertion that the president's claims of premium savings is a lie is simply more tendentious Right-Wing poppycock, as is each and every one of your accusations ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 8, 14 2:28 PM
Heard from my broker last week and my policy with Oxford for my wife and two children is getting re written to include prescription plan at a cost increase of $ 502 per month

So when you get your hat out of the sand, tell me some more about your Poppycock
Feb 8, 14 3:50 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
No not special just a non union small business man, You know the enemy of the left
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 8, 14 3:50 PM
Meanwhile, your quality of life has never been better. People take vacations, have time saving conveniences, luxury items our previous generation couldn't even dream of. More gloom and doom from the right. I haven't been on a plane that wasn't packed. Go to a tourist destination without it being packed. The right can keep living their life while waiting for the armageddon that isn't coming. We passed that when the greedy bankers and Wall-Streeters tried to bring our whole economic system down. Loving ...more
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 8, 14 2:34 PM
you must have a job at 7-11 and a pre existing condition if you expect us to believe that $900 a month savings tale

Anyway if its true I guess my money was redistributed to your wallet
Feb 8, 14 3:54 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Where are the jobs? By philathome (7381), Southampton on Feb 6, 14 6:10 AM
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 8, 14 3:54 PM
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Hey Metsfan, ever hear of credit? You are going to use a full plane as an example of a good economy? You really think a majority of the people in this country have a quality of life that has never been better? You show your level of wisdom with these posts.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 4:19 PM
True.

A full 2/3 do not enjoy an excellent quality of life. Just because you have a cellphone or possibly a computer does not mean you have the "American Dream". Carlin wisely opined that you have to be asleep to believe in the last thirty years.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 4:24 PM
Mets fan, here is what Carney said, "Gov't is giving people the opportunity to decide if they want to work". What do you think they are going to choose? And when they choose it, who do you think is going to subsidize it?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 9:20 PM
Don't forget Pelosi with "Economists agree that unemployment benefits remain one of the best ways to grow the economy in a very immediate way".
By loading... (556), quiogue on Feb 8, 14 11:45 PM
Ninety four percent of the country has a job.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 10:24 AM
No pre-existing illness. Former business owner out here who retired at at age forty eight. I worked while you slept. Was paying $24,000 before Obamacare, now paying $13,000. Never took a dime of federal money . I can guarantee i've paid more taxes than you. As for paying for this country, my family has defended this country since the civil war, spilling blood on three continents. so much for your bigoted, biased, stereotypes of democrats ud.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 10:31 AM
how's your quality of life? You were very content to pay $500 a week for insurance.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 10:35 AM
My quality of life is great. I guess that is all I should be concerned with huh? Pretty selfish way to go through life Mets fan but I guess that's to be be expected from a flip flopper like yourself. You see, I look at the big picture and while I may be doing well, I see a lot of people who are not. I am also concerned for my children and their children, but hey, the planes are full so....
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 3:00 PM
Mets fan the only thing you can guarantee is that you don't know what you are talking about.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 3:01 PM
Your a republican who wants to cut all safety nets. who are you kidding? You don't give a crap to those who are hurting. Again I waste my time responding to your sky is blue, no the sky is red conservatism. immature and contrary with a narrow mind. You and the rest of your cohorts always make my decision from being a card carrying republican to a democrat the smartest thing I've done. Keep paying $500 a week and be happy with that, you make the perfect republican. the party of do-nothings. Remember ...more
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 5:30 PM
Yeah, you are wasting your time and if you think that the republican party is on the verge of extinction then you know absolutely nothing about history. We can put that in the category with the rest of your knowledge.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 7:31 PM
If you know anything about history, parties disappear. Whigs, federalists just to name a couple. Try again, read a book once in a while.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 11, 14 9:41 AM
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OK Mr Z, if the USA is not the greatest country on earth, which is? If the USA sucks so bad why does the entire 3rd world and most of the rest want to live here?! This is the land of opportunity where one is limited only by their ambition and the amount of hard work they are willing to put forth. Is it perfect? Of course not, but I dare you to find anywhere else where anyone can rise to the top like they an here, Look at our Prez, a bi-racial kid born to a single mom, raised by His grandmother ...more
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 8, 14 9:05 PM
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Freshness, as great as this country is, there is a lot of room for improvement and I think that is where Z is coming from. I think we all want the same thing but have different ideas how to get there.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 14 9:12 PM
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Don't waste your time with the Irving Berlin song and dance fool with a mind drunk on hubris and pride. The level of disrespect in any of the comments that spout from his keyboard should tell you most everything you need to know about his character.

Just sit back and laugh at him like many of us do.
Feb 8, 14 10:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
Oh, and if you return the favor, it's also fun to watch him throw it up and draw attention to it like a petulant schoolboy. It'd be funny, if it weren't so pathetic...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 10:06 PM
"This self-congratulatory notion Americans have that their country is Number One is borne of ignorance and bad manners."

~ Bryan Cranston
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 9, 14 8:58 AM
Z, I think that it is perfectly natural for citizens of this country to view it as the best. That is patriotism and pride. I don't agree that it is bad manners to think that, depending on the manner in which it is stated. Now whether or not it is ignorant is another question.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 3:05 PM
"I did not know then that pride is a wonderful, terrible thing, a seed that bears two vines, life and death"

~ The Scarlet Ibis
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 10, 14 1:54 AM
Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times.

~ Gustave Flaubert
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 8, 14 11:11 PM
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to Captn America:

On this very forum, a correspondent reports that Affordable Care saved him $11,000/yr. Did you forget this when you said that there is "NO indication" that premiums have decreased? As I said, we will know the truth only when Affordable Care is fully implemented and a statistical comparison is made by a respected authority. Your specious accusations of presidential mendacity rest on probatively useless anecdotal accounts (largely reported by individuals and websites ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 9, 14 3:19 PM
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insurance in those states were ridiculously low averaging $300-$500 a month, they needed to pay more and we were paying ridiculously high rates, we are paying less.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 5:47 PM
"they needed to pay more and we were paying ridiculously high rates"

Don't you see Cap, Those responsible states, They just needed to kick in more $

It wasn't faaair, (like those Yankees with all there money) they needed to bail out Mets fan, because the 10 Amendment means squat to him.

Why not vote with you feet and leave NY If you don't like it here. Something tells me you won't. No obviously something else is keeping you here.
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 9, 14 6:34 PM
Hey Mets fan, I am paying approx $300 more for the same plan. Thank goodness for the ACA and the useless dental coverage I now have to pay for. But you know, I'll just take the extra out of my great standard of living account.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 7:36 PM
How much is your medical insurance ud? Nobody bailed me out. Obama implemented a program that insurance companies had to sharpen their pencils. Out of fifty three policies offered on the exchange, only two were more expensive than I had previously. I remind you again ud , the rights you now enjoy as a recent immigrant were in part paid by my family in blood, fighting for this countries freedom since the Civil War.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 10, 14 5:36 PM
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Mr Z, That sword cuts both ways depending on your point of view, but as a rule of thumb you should not spend money you do not have and then force it out of people who do.

HHS, You only see what is convenient for your argument, when you use a dictionary to form a common sentence as you like to do, does not make ignoring facts like UD having a $6,024 a year increase any less grievous
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 9, 14 3:53 PM
Nice pigeonhole talking point.

Got any other BS for us?
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 10, 14 6:14 PM
Haven't heard from Joe Hampton yet, what are your employees doing while your in Florida for the winter? Unemployment insurance? If your not part part of the solution your part of the problem. I could see Joe tooling around in his five mpg escalade, complaining about the price of gas. Nice of you to use the system to your advantage. No backbone to leave for good the progressive toilet to let's secede and re-instate slavery south. How about Texas, Joe?
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 9, 14 5:39 PM
They might be plowing the snow in your driveway some are doing my winter maintanace...

Some choose to live off the $22 and up per an hour they make the other 10 months a year... vacationing themselves. some just watch tv... two work for a family business delivering fuel oil... non are on unemployment

To my knowledge I don't believe I have every complained about the price of gas or anything else for that matter

Why so concerned? seems you have retired at 47 lol. I would ...more
Feb 9, 14 6:10 PM appended by joe hampton
And just for the record I did my part and got a smaller truck last year... I now drive Benz G550 since you asked...
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 9, 14 6:10 PM
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joe hampton the man the whiners love to hate, tee hee, you always brighten my day with your wit, you and the rest of the hard workers on this site have nothing to apologize for.

thanks for providing so many good paying local jobs, don't let them goat you, enjoy the sun
By Erin 27 E (1209), southampton on Feb 9, 14 6:21 PM
You are most welcome... And thank you ;)
By joe hampton (3348), south hampton on Feb 9, 14 8:09 PM
Why thank you as well.

Anyone need a refurbished desktop? I have a new Frankenputer fresh out of the lab. If you're a student in need, no charge and cut rate OS/software is available.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 10, 14 2:07 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 10, 14 2:27 PM
That must be it Erin, only Republicans work in this country. You must get over your stereotypes. I'm retired because I worked hard and long hours. You seem to think if you work hard there's no way you could be a democrat. What type of thinking is that?
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 10, 14 5:46 PM
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A whole $22 bucks an hour, that should sustain them for two months without a paycheck. Where are they vacationing, in Palm Beach? Ha-ha.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 11, 14 9:38 AM
I'm not anti-gay, anti-latino, anti-women's rights, anti-black such as yourself. Your posts have proved this over and over again.
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 11, 14 2:28 PM
The real reason they aren't getting unemployment, is because there not citizens of America!
By Mets fan (1428), Southampton on Feb 11, 14 5:37 PM
Why is it that people who think they know the most really know the least? Cue the lame attempts at wit.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 7:34 PM
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to Captn America:

Adding personal invective to your profoundly biased opinions doesn't make your specious claims more believable but it does indicate that you have at last reached rock bottom. You have gone from rational debate to unsupported assertion to irrelevant citation and now, having never contrived a convincing case, finally resort to ad hominem attack. Stick a fork in yourself.

Your ultimate post is a typical effort. You refer to the CBO as if it affirmed your assertion ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 9, 14 9:06 PM
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HHS, I need a thesaurus to follow your posts. Feels like I am reading posts from Don King;).
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Feb 9, 14 10:31 PM
Breaking........

THE HILLARY PAPERS: RUTHLESS FIRST LADY

ARCHIVE OF 'CLOSEST FRIEND' REVEALED...
CLINTONS: SEX FILES...
ALL THOSE WHINEY WOMEN... 'PATTERN OF SLEAZE'...
SINGLE-PAYER HEALTHCARE 'NECESSARY'... MORE...
Nobody in White House was 'tough and mean enough'...

This should be interesting......... Developing




By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 10, 14 1:59 AM
Not at all Phil you are delusional,

You will find no support for Chris Cristie here and if you go back a few months I have seen no one else on these boards support him.

"Formerly considered the GOP front runner for 2016"
(by Chris Matthews the left and the Rino's)

But nice try, now how about that Benghazi matter
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 10, 14 8:54 AM
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OBAMA: 'I Can Do Whatever I Want'...

'Rewriting the law on a whim'...





EMPLOYER MANDATE DELAYED ANOTHER YEAR
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 10, 14 6:36 PM
Occupy Healthcare
by Wendell Potter, author of "Deadly Spin:An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans "

“If you’re curious about what I used to do as a PR guy for the health insurance industry, how I often took facts and figures and twisted them to advance a specific political or financial agenda, take a look at the behavior of some members of Congress last week.”

“Like I used to do, ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 10, 14 7:35 PM
You mean like AOL looking to cut back on their 401k contributions and instead of just admitting they didn't want to give their employees so much money, trying to link it to health insurance costs, specifically that of two newborns with problems?
By VOS (1195), WHB on Feb 10, 14 10:21 PM
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to Captn America:

Can't help but notice your continued despicable attack on Secretary of State Kerry, a man who served his country in a dangerous theater of war at immediate peril of his life and was slandered by extremist Republicans revisionists decades after the fact.

It has been established that no Swiftboat veteran who served on Kerry's boat had anything but respect for him but for one whose latter expressed extremist Right-Wing views led him to contradict every other crew ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 10, 14 11:59 PM
MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES: EMPLOYER MANDATE DELAYED AGAIN
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 11, 14 12:39 AM
to Captn America:

If the "actions" of Secretary Kerry to which you referred were his discarding (or not) of his military decorations, you should have indicated it in your post. Not only is that question de minimis but its answer depends on whether ribbons and medals are considered to be identical. Both the subject matter and the facts of the topic are too insubstantive to merit discussion.

However, you DID refer to the question of whether Secretary Kerry accepted a medal for ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Feb 11, 14 11:24 AM
MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES: EMPLOYER MANDATE DELAYED AGAIN...
Obama Rewrites Obamacare...
BOEHNER: Exempts Corporations, Not Families...
Directly Violates Text of Affordable Care Act...
AIDS patients to be shut out of exchanges...
THOUGHT POLICE: Firms must swear Obamacare not a factor in firings...
FOURNIER: Nearing 'impossible' to defend...
Krauthammer: 'This is stuff you do in banana republic'...
Doctors 'Astonished' To Find Themselves Listed On Exchange...
FIT: ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Feb 11, 14 4:54 PM
Nothing like a bunch of big government tax and spend Demokratz holding both the Senate (for now) and the Presidency to send the greatest nation on earth deeper into debt! Gotta pay for those votes somehow Barry, might as well take out another loan with China. They own this fetid pile of feces, thanks Barak, thanks a lot. If He ever held a real job He would have a clue as to spending more than one makes.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 11, 14 9:07 PM
This from a guy whose Golden Calf was a tax and spend liberal Republican who tripled the national debt, and whose EIGHT main scandals while in office totaled 138 officials convicted, indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever. As Carlin said "These are the 'Law and Order People', folks."

Whatever y'all are smoking, you can keep ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 11, 14 11:30 PM
How does one cancel their subscription? I cannot find any person or number to contact to cancel!
By marinekatherine (1), Oro Valley on Jun 11, 15 4:03 PM