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Feb 14, 2014 4:55 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Suffolk Republican Committee Picks Zeldin To Challenge Bishop; Snubs Demos

Feb 18, 2014 4:42 PM

The Suffolk County Republican Committee tapped a familiar face last week to challenge U.S. Representative Tim Bishop of Southampton for the right to represent New York’s 1st Congressional District—though the nominee most likely will first have to stave off a challenge from a familiar foe from within the GOP.

The GOP’s decision last Thursday, February 13, to nominate current State Senator Lee Zeldin, an attorney from Shirley who made an unsuccessful bid to unseat Mr. Bishop in 2008 before winning election to the State Senate in 2010, also snubs George Demos, another Republican who was seeking the party’s support. In all likelihood, Mr. Demos will challenge Mr. Zeldin in a primary election this June; a primary would ultimately decide who gets the Republican line in November.

“The 1st Congressional District needs one of its own, not someone who’s a part of the bigger establishment, like Tim Bishop or George Demos,” said Jesse Garcia, the chairman of the Brookhaven Town Republican Committee, when reached on Friday, a day after the GOP convention was held at the Ramada Inn in Holtsville.

On Friday afternoon, Mr. Zeldin, who will not be seeking a third two-year term in Albany this fall, issued an email statement confirming that he has accepted the Republican nomination to once again challenge Mr. Bishop, a Democrat. In the 2008 race, Mr. Bishop finished with nearly 58.4 percent of ballots cast, or 162,083 votes, while Mr. Zeldin finished with 41.6 percent of the vote, or 115,545 ballots, according to the Suffolk County Board of Elections.

“We can’t change Washington unless we change the people we send there to represent us,” Mr. Zeldin said. “The unanimous nomination from the Suffolk County Republican Committee shows how united our local communities are going into November’s election.

“Long Islanders are looking for representatives with integrity and a proven record of fighting against Obamacare, cutting taxes, creating jobs and fighting for local needs,” he continued. “That’s what I bring to the table, and that’s what I will continue to fight for in D.C.”

The GOP endorsement comes four months before the Republican primary election scheduled for Tuesday, June 24, that will most likely pit Mr. Zeldin against Mr. Demos.

Two years ago, Mr. Demos also challenged the party’s choice of congressional candidate Randy Altschuler. About a month before the June 2012 primary election, Mr. Demos, a former prosecutor for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission who lives in Stony Brook, announced that he was pulling out of the race to focus on his upcoming wedding, though he remained on the primary ballot. As a result, Mr. Altschuler won the primary with 87 percent of ballots cast.

Kevin Tschirhart, Mr. Demos’s campaign manager, said Friday that the Suffolk County Republican Committee is not accurately representing the wants and needs of the constituents of the 1st Congressional District, which includes the five East End towns, Brookhaven Town, and parts of Smithtown and Islip towns. Mr. Tschirhart also noted that the county-level endorsement will not deter Mr. Demos from challenging Mr. Zeldin in June.

“The party bosses and establishment are out of touch with the rank-and-file of our Republican Party, because we Republicans would never nominate someone who supported Obamacare,” said Mr. Tschirhart as he read from a prepared statement. He was alluding to Mr. Zeldin’s vote in the State Senate related to the implementation of the federal Affordable Care Act in New York State last year.

Additionally, Mr. Tschirhart said Mr. Demos is not concerned about losing potential campaign donations because the Suffolk County GOP has selected a different candidate. “We’re focused on spreading George’s conservative message,” he said.

On Friday afternoon, Mr. Bishop, who is seeking his seventh two-year term of office in November, described the GOP nomination as “meaningless,” noting that Mr. Zeldin must first battle Mr. Demos before either candidate can challenge him in November.

“He’s got a primary against George Demos,” Mr. Bishop said of Mr. Zeldin. “Basically, the Suffolk County Republican leadership can do whatever they want, but ultimately it’s up to Republican voters of the 1st Congressional District to decide who will challenge me.”

He added that he’s not sure why the committee endorsed Mr. Zeldin this early in the year, but offered a guess that the leadership might be trying to persuade Mr. Demos to drop out of the race. Mr. Bishop declined to comment on either potential candidate, saying he did not want to engage in politics so far ahead of the general election.

“For me, I’ve got a job to do and there’s going to be a time for politicking, but that time isn’t now,” Mr. Bishop said. “I’m going to focus on doing the job that I was elected to do.”

Southampton Town Republican Committee Chairman William Wright said Friday that he also supports Mr. Zeldin, noting that, in his opinion, he is now a better and more seasoned candidate than he was in 2008, the first time he took on Mr. Bishop.

“It’s gonna be a great race—I think it’s great for the people to have two good choices like this,” Mr. Wright said. “People have two clear choices for where they want [the district] to go, and Lee and Tim Bishop both can articulate their messages for what direction they want to go, which is good, because there will be no questions when all is said and done.”

He also had a few choice words for Mr. Demos: “My opinion is that George Demos should just go away,” Mr. Wright said.

Mr. Garcia, meanwhile, said the Suffolk County Republican Committee chose Mr. Zeldin because of his leadership experience, both as a member of the State Senate and his prior service in the U.S. Army. Mr. Zeldin served as a military intelligence officer, federal prosecutor and military magistrate until 2007, and currently serves as a major in the Army Reserves, according to biographical information on his State Senate website.

The committee also credited Mr. Zeldin with working to lower state taxes and fees during his time in office, Mr. Garcia said, while maintaining that Mr. Demos failed to “protect Main Street from Wall Street” during his tenure with the SEC. Mr. Garcia added that Mr. Demos is “part of the federal establishment that gave us Obamacare.”

But Mr. Garcia later added: “Last night was more of a testament and it’s always been a testament about the leader that Lee Zeldin is and has been.”

Also during last Thursday night’s nominating convention, the Suffolk County Republican Committee endorsed U.S. Representative Peter King, an incumbent who represents the 2nd Congressional District on Long Island. As it did in 2012, the committee held its nominating convention earlier than normal because the primary elections for the federal races are now held in June instead of September. The party intends to announce its state level endorsements in May.

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By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 14 9:37 PM
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The legend of Zeldin is a pretty fun game. It features a bland politician making promises that he can't possibly keep while taking money from rich people. The game ends when he eventually reaches a room filled with elephants lined up trunk to bottom.
The legend of Tim is a game I'd like to end, as most of lose even when he says we won.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 10:59 AM
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Either of them should be able to take out L'il Tim since he's been a rubber stamp for Obama and all that He stands for. Keep Obamacre and all of His scandals and illegal power grabs in the forefront, that's the path to victory!
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Feb 15, 14 11:21 AM
None to speak of, Phil. All good. Do you need the address to send your DNC check to or do you have it memorized?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 1:57 PM
I don't think an anarchist would have a problem attacking either side. So, maybe the attacks are really just observations and opinion, and maybe there are no anarchists in the room. But, hey, if drama is your thing, dance away, Philly.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 2:30 PM
Not true. Why do you make stuff up? You must be an anarchist.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 2:52 PM
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We have a president that thinks he's Robin Hood, and an opposition party with so many factions that it has rendered itself irrelevant. Anyone thinking that Zeldin will make any kind of profound difference is dreaming. These cause aren't the solution, they are the cause.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 1:54 PM
"These guys"
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 14 1:55 PM
Hmmm lets see, Bengazi, Fast and Furious, using the IRS to target political opponents, illegally changing the law(Obamacare) by executive decree, there's a few for starters.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Feb 15, 14 8:22 PM
Phil, so you know the definition of scandal. If you do, that is quite an admission.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 15, 14 8:52 PM
Oh of course, Democrats would never be involved in anything scandalous. Yeah, mmkay.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 16, 14 10:55 AM
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When people call the ACA "Obamacare", that should tell you a lot about their character. Mostly that they ain't got much...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 15, 14 11:15 PM
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Bullet points for Phil:
(1) The Federal govt is corrupt and inept (both sides guilty)
(2) The Federal govt is overreaching, overextending, and overspending (both sides guilty)
(3) The Federal government is divided by a party system that doesn't have American citizens as the primary interest. That rounds counter to the intended design. (Both sides guilty)
(4) The Federal govt has proven itself to be a poor manager filled with bureaucracy, corruption and waste. (Both sides guilty)

Result: ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 8:43 AM
Couldn't agree more ds but somehow I doubt Phil will ever admit what he must also know to be true, that there is crap on both sides of the aisle. If a Republican stated that water was wet, he would argue that it isn't. Probably blame it on climate change.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 14 9:43 AM
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In 1936 water wasn't wet. Then the Republicans passed the Wet Water Act and messed everything up. And now we have algae and fish, and rich people who use the beach.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 9:48 AM
Fact check states that we had fish before the Wet Water Act. My bad.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 9:50 AM
Your posts betray your insecurity Phil.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 14 5:16 PM
When it comes to you Phil, I no longer get pissed. I just laugh to myself.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 14 8:50 PM
Cap, I wish I could have liked it twice.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 14 8:52 PM
The points are legit Phil, both sides are guilty. Get to rehab for the Kool Aid problem and you'll be able to see the truth.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Feb 17, 14 12:06 PM
Right. And you want these guys running your life? Remember, Philly, politics is cyclical. Eventually Repubs will have the keys to the gate again. Then you have invited them into your living room. So, you are either banking on Democratic control for the next 50 years or so, or signing off on Repubs eventually having more control over you.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 12:38 PM
How could I possibly know? I haven't seen my choices yet. I think that anyone with a brain in their head would want to see the choices, right? So you are voting for Hillary, right?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 12:59 PM
Man I'd love to see Phil's voting record. I'm sure it serves his interests and makes that flat tire sound.
Ddddddddddddddddddddd....
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 1:02 PM
Are you for real? Right wing tactics? Find where I endorsed the GOP and get back to me. I want government out of my life as much as possible. GUH VHER NNNNN MENT.
I don't know how else to explain this to you, Phil.
Such a wounded lil soul.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 17, 14 1:31 PM
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Phil - why are you here? Why do you bother? Every post is either an attack on Republicans (ok, we get it) or fabricated nonsense that makes you look like a joke. Either agree with Phil's liberal ideas, or you are a wingnut, radical, or whatever over the top garbage you dream up. If you can't have a debate without fabrication, you lose. And after 7400 posts a rational person might realize that enough people have ideas that run counter to yours, and perhaps your mindset doesn't apply to everyone else. ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 18, 14 8:35 AM
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@ Capn Amer - My favorite is what is known as the Liberal Distortion Sporulation Technique. It's a tactic that is used when they have absolutely no argument. It's rather clever. It thrusts a bogus position upon you with the challenge to prove it wrong.
ie. You don't want single payer? You must be an anarchist and want babies to die. Prove that you don't want babies to die.
Then they sit in their angry chair and ask mom for another bowl of oatmeal.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 18, 14 6:02 PM
I made it up, Philly. You know how that works. As for the def of double standard, you left out wing nut and fringe lunatic.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 18, 14 9:51 PM
Oh I have a few definitions I'd love to apply, Philly. But this is family place. Enjoy your day. Give your boss an honest effort. Remember, complainers rarely achieve anything. Above all, keep supporting and defending ineptitude. Your government is counting on you. And by you I mean you specifically.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 19, 14 6:26 AM
Aint my problem, kid.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 19, 14 8:24 AM
Phil wrote "By the way, it doesn't bother me if you call me names. Ask your breather in here- they have no problem posting phrases like "GFY" or "GTH" other offensive comments on a family site.

Right, guys?
You know who you are.

Then you wrote "I've heard that, but their talking about particular kinds of idiots", you call posters wingnuts...

First of all, stop lying. Of course it bothers you, why else do you keep bringing it up ad nauseum? Secondly, man up (if possible) ...more
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 14 8:45 AM
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Phil, full of it as usual. My belief system wasn't challenged. Just tired of dealing with a jackass.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 20, 14 4:08 PM
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My what a tangled web we continue to weave, all the while expecting the repetition of history to yield new results!

It takes two to tango.

Nothing lost to stop dancing on one's own (without comment).
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 21, 14 7:11 AM
PBR, you know what they say about unsolicited advice.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 14 9:38 AM
"That's exactly what Altmeyer said would happen."

Of course it is Phil. Poor little Phil the victim was only trying to get the truth out and those big, bad conservatives attacked him. I'm sure it had nothing to do with his posting style and penchant for sniping. Nope, I'm sure he bore absolutely no responsibility for the exchange.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 14 9:44 AM
Dnice, one thing they often say is that it falls on deaf ears . . .
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 21, 14 9:48 AM
However well intentioned the desire to help someone else, unsolicited advice, justifiably or not, comes across to us as one-upmanship, or assertion of dominance, or criticism.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 14 10:07 AM
to Captn America:

Puh--leeeze! YOU are accusing philathome of habitually making unsupportable, irrelevant, irrationally partisan comments.

On second thought, who better to judge him?
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Feb 18, 14 1:22 PM
Speaking of ideas, here are "some worth spreading":

Nick Hanauer explodes the myth of the capitalist 'job creator'

By David Horsey
February 17, 2014, 5:00 a.m.


Especially when it comes to economic policy, too many politicians are motivated by myths more than by facts. A prime example: the myth of the job creators.


Republicans, such as Speaker of the House John Boehner, talk of job creators in reverent, worshipful terms. In their vision of how the ...more
Feb 18, 14 1:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
"...I would respectfully suggest that if you have a business model that can’t survive without paying people poverty wages, maybe you should go out of business.” ~ Nick Hanauer
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 18, 14 1:50 PM
"...I would respectfully suggest that if you have a business model that can’t survive without paying people poverty wages, maybe you should go out of business.” ~ Nick Hanauer

Z, I think there is something to this line of thinking but I don't think raising minimum wage is the answer. I think it may reduce jobs by pushing companies to think about replacing labor with machines or by simply reducing staff. I believe people should be paid what they are worth and lets face it, ...more
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 14 4:31 PM
In a world where compensation at the top of the ladder is 204:1 as of last year's Bloomberg study, and it was only 42:1 just 34 years ago, and 20:1 in 1950, you don't need to look much further for a good foundational reason for our economic woes.

Such inequality sows dischord, poverty, and crime. Our economic system as it stands is a dismal failure and our Gini coefficient is shameful. There is no sane or logical reason that such a small percentage of the population can arrogantly and ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 18, 14 8:44 PM
Because it will catalyze the birth of the international class war/revolution gestating on the womb (Earth)?
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 18, 14 8:50 PM
I agree with you that we have wealth inequality in this country. It is shockingly skewed. Not sure raising the minimum wage will address the problem. Just because we have a right to more does not mean that we are entitled to it.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 14 9:33 PM
So dnice, is what's good for the goose good for the gander?

Or is it just a double standard which should be accepted without complaint?

I have to disassemble a laptop, and reflow the solder on the motherboard in the oven. Goodnight...
Feb 18, 14 10:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
"We were able to be all these things and do all these things because we were informed. By great men, men who were revered. The first step in solving any problem is recognizing there is one. America is not the greatest country in the world anymore." ~ Jeff Daniels, "The Newsroom" ********** "The most dangerous citizen, is an uninformed citizen." ~ Anonymous
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 18, 14 10:32 PM
Z, what double standard are you referring to?

I still think we live in the greatest country. Quotes from Sorkin will not change my opinion. Yes we have our problems but this is still the land of opportunity. Too bad we have a bunch of selfish twats running it.

Z, are you a glass half empty or glass half full kind of guy?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 18, 14 11:19 PM
The glass is always full. Half air, and half water.

I'm what you call a pragmatist. A problem solver, if you will.

The statistics simply do not support your belief in any empirical way, shape, or form. The only support such a belief has is anecdotal at the present time in our nation's history.
Feb 19, 14 12:28 AM appended by Mr. Z
If you have some time, you should check out Bill Moyer's interview with David Simon. We think a lot alike.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 12:28 AM
Still not sure what double standard you were referring to and now I am more confused by what statistics you might be alluding to.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 14 8:35 AM
"Just because we have a right to more does not mean that we are entitled to it."

That's a two way street.

As far as statistics, we are currently at a Gini coefficient of darn near 50, we're 17th in global education, 24th in literacy, 30th in math, 23rd in science, 20th in reading comprehension, and ranked 14th overall in the world. If you still wonder about the NPR poll results which resulted in 1 out of 4 people surveyed answering that the Earth DOESN'T revolve around the Sun, ...more
Feb 19, 14 9:17 AM appended by Mr. Z
The "cherry on top" is that we are ranked FIFTH in social mobility. We're not the "greatest country in the world". If we were, we'd be number one in some meaningful aspect of building a successful society. As it stands, WE'RE NOT.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 9:17 AM
Thanks for the explanation. Like I said, we live in the 14th best country in the world;).
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 19, 14 5:27 PM
Here's one I thought you may like:

"We can choose between the future and the past, between reason and ignorance, between true compassion and mere ideology."

~ Ronald Prescott Reagan
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 11:14 PM
Or this as of late:

"One of the strange things in our society right now is that we have all these low-wage workers who are getting $7.50, $8 or $9 an hour, and because they earn such small wages, the government subsidizes them with billions or tens of billions of dollars of social welfare spending that comes from the taxpayer. It's a classic example of businesses' privatizing the benefits of their workers while socializing the costs."

~ Ronald Unz
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 21, 14 8:40 AM
Z, So what do you think the minimum wage should be and if it came to pass would that lower reliance on gov't programs? Would the increase in payroll also increase tax dollars to the gov't? Basically, would the gov't see an increase in revenue and a decrease in outlay if the minimum wage were to go up? I would imagine that some jobs would be lost so the increase in tax revenue would have to be enough to offset the extra amount the gov't would be paying out in unemployment benefits.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 21, 14 9:58 AM
If minimum wage kept an even keel with gains for the top earners, inflation, and increases in productivity it would be $21/hr, and it should be no less than $11 an hour if you take a good look at a host of economic factors, including M2.

Additionally, it would be guaranteed companies such as Wal-Mart would not have the majority of it's workers receiving "entitlements" because they are paid such a pittance. No one who works two jobs at least fifty hours a week should earn poverty wages, ...more
Feb 25, 14 9:55 AM appended by Mr. Z
It would also help if labor was looked at as an asset, and not some type of liability. In general, it seems to be seen as a liability these days...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 25, 14 9:55 AM
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"One thing is for sure, if the minimum wasn't so pathetic, we'd have a better recovery going with the influx of capital it would allow for. People don't make purchases other than the bare necessities when they are unaffordable."

That's not a bad point.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 14 12:51 PM
Apparently even Alan Greenspan has come to a "Eureka!" moment:

“I consider income inequality the most dangerous part of what’s going on in the United States. You can see the deteriorating impact of that on our current political system, and you cannot talk about politics without talking about its impact on the economy.”


When the majority of the country lacks purchasing power, you cannot drive GDP. This isn't about "class warfare", or "entitlement", or even ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 26, 14 1:11 PM
God bless the rich and the businesses they have created or have purchased, that's the engine that drives the economy, not government spending or whatever neo-socialist system that you fantasize about Mr Z. As I enjoy a dinner with friends tonite while on a well earned vacation deep in the Pacific, my toast will be as always, "MAY THE RICH GET RICHER!" They have made it possible for many of us here in our own piece of paradise to work hard and have a decent life.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Feb 18, 14 9:49 PM
LA,LA,LA,LA,LA,LA...

They've also destroyed that for entire generations. You'll never understand how far removed what you believe is from the truth. Have a nice life in your little test tube of ignorance and selfishness.
Feb 18, 14 10:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
How's the old joke go? Why is arguing with idiots like playing chess with a pigeon? A: Because no matter how good you are, the bird is going to **** on the board and strut around like it won anyway...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 18, 14 10:30 PM
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Yet Z frustrated player keeps coming back to the fouled chess board . . .

A good working definition of Insan... ?
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Feb 19, 14 5:31 AM
There's also the point that there's an audience viewing the game. The reason things are in this state is because there is insufficient debate, and dissent in the pigeon's regard...
Feb 19, 14 9:08 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, "We" consist of far too many idiots.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 9:08 AM
Phil's version of a right wing radical - someone who believes in liberty and independence. Someone who wants as little govt intrusion as possible. Someone who rejects overreach and overspending. Someone who recognizes corruption and wants to push it away.

Phil's vision of America - Dependence. Reduction in liberties. Assistance from a the govt to micro-manage our lives. Ignoring corruption and inviting it in the front door. A one party domination regardless of varied perspectives of the ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 19, 14 8:31 AM
Kappa-Beta-Phi. Should you get the chance, "Young Money" by Kevin Roose is an interesting read.


Here are some of the the people that own our Democracy:


Duff P. Anderson (1994)
Silas R. Anthony, Jr. (1993)
Andrew Arno (2001)
Peter A. Atkins (1977)
Walter E. Auch, Jr. (2000)
Sara Ayres (2009)
George L. Ball (1975)
Vincent Banker (2003)
David C. Batten (1981)
Bernard Beal (2007)
Robert Benmosche (2002)
James A. Benson (1995)
Jonathan ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 10:25 AM
Z You have way to much free time on your hands. If you dedicated 10% of the time you spend on blogging and posting to your business you'd be a millionaire.
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Feb 19, 14 12:28 PM
If you spent as much time as I do being well informed, you'd be a better person and would find such a comment distasteful to consider making. The time I spend blogging, is during the time I'm working on or building computers and monitoring/installing software.

Your ignorance apparently knows no bounds.
Feb 19, 14 1:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
And y'know, I've probably helped more people in the past twenty years than one EVER will in a lifetime through the selfish pursuit of material wealth. Volunteering yourself has far more meaning and grace than throwing money at a problem from a distance. Peace...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 1:43 PM
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Highly doubt it Z..but nice try. I have donated a lot of money back to charities (thanks to my selfish pursuit of material wealth). I also donate time to several volunteer organizations.

You playing the victim knows no bounds. Stop whining and complaining and get to work. Peace out
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Feb 19, 14 3:53 PM
FAIL.

The term "one" is generic. It does not, nor did it imply a directive toward you in the appendment. It's nice to know how you take general statements personally. You should really seek some counseling for that...
Feb 19, 14 7:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. I seriously doubt you know what it is, so my advice to you is to check out a program called "TeamViewer". Maybe you might learn something...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 19, 14 7:03 PM
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Back to the original topic: Zeldin = two more years of Bishop. Anybody want to help start a write in campaign for Thiele for Congress.
By bird (647), Southampton on Feb 23, 14 3:21 PM
If you are a consevative you want Demos. If you want a waffler you want Zeldin. If you want a career polictician whose only accomplishment in life is buffaloing people into voting for him you want Bishop
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Feb 24, 14 2:32 PM
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The defense cuts, to be announced formally in the president’s budget proposal next month, would reduce U.S. ground forces to their lowest level since World War II at a time when world threats are increasing.“we are entering an era where American dominance on the seas, in the skies, and in space can no longer be taken for granted,” Chuck Hagel.

+++

Sometimes friend of my enemy is my friend. Demos or Zeldin are just fine with me.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 14 8:44 AM
I don't care what you call me, Phil. Not even a little. You are the one who needs Mommy govt to carry you around your whole life while the rest of us pay for it. The difference between us is I take care of my own plate and don't expect to be anyone's burden. I only wish that you'd reciprocate, but that seems beyond you. No matter though, it's not people like you that scare me, as you really don't offer much of a challenge in the real world. It's the idiots in govt that are too arrogant to see how ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 14 12:13 PM
This president is so unbelievably inept it is beyond words. His policies are really hurting the country. The fallout will last a long time. But, hey, he's so cool, right?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 14 12:36 PM
I was reminded of this recently:


“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.”

“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws.”

- “On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 26, 14 12:52 AM
Whomever is the Republican nominee for Congress in the 1st District will need to get original, convince independent voters here that he or she will not be part of the chaos that reigns in the national GOP and actually have a REAl record of accomplishment. Absent that, let's welcome to another term, our local, hometown Congressman Tim Bishop.

The locals know and like Tim, trust him to always put Long Island first and are tired of the recycled lies and false rhetoric that, in the case of ...more
By JimmyKBond (151), Hampton Bays on Feb 25, 14 5:10 PM
Yeah locals like Eric Semlear know and love Bishop . He votes with Dems 95% of the time. He is a career politician who votes not for his district but for what is in the best interest of his party. He deserves to be shown the door
By razza5350 (1867), East Hampton on Feb 25, 14 11:29 PM
Over 90% of candidate who raise the most money win their respective elections.

Money talks, and...
Feb 26, 14 12:09 AM appended by Mr. Z
"The end of Democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions, and moneyed incorporations." ~ Thomas Jefferson, 1816
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 26, 14 12:09 AM
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..."What difference does it make"
By They call me (2213), southampton on Feb 27, 14 4:54 PM
Turley: "We Are Now At A Constitutional Tipping Point In Our System"
George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley testifies before the House Judiciary Committee.
"I testified at the earlier hearing about the separation of powers, its history and its function and also my view that the president has in fact exceeded his authority in a way that is creating a destabilizing influence in a tripartite or three-branch system.
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Feb 27, 14 5:01 PM
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Well,Just got in from Fla.& happy to report two things there are no White Americans or Black Americans down there only Americans... I had a lovely 6 weeks & meet many decent people of all races. I was struck once again by the lack of animosity between the races. How well spoken and polite everyone was... and once again have returned with the perception that this race baiting union ran corrupt state is truly a progressive toilet
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 27, 14 8:30 PM
Listen you little ... You must need glasses, I just said how nice it was to see everyone get along. WAKE UP! Down there there are to kinds of people those with manners and responsibility and LOSERS.

everyone is color blind in the South, just people who work and raise there children proper with respect and the bums who hold a will work for food sign in the road next to a Burger King with a HELP WANTED sign in the window.

Stop blowing smoke up our....You had five years all you have ...more
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 27, 14 9:11 PM
Stop twisting posters words. Your attacking style illuminates your closed mindedness. You will never be part of the solution Phil because you can't build consensus with so much contempt.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 27, 14 9:14 PM
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No Phil, you brought it up.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 27, 14 10:07 PM
Joe, you are absolutely correct. Most everyone in Florida just get along. Polite smiles and greets from complete strangers takes a bit of getting used to. I've been here for a few months on business, and I truly dread going back. Most accurate was your statement about the children being raised with respect. I don't think I was ever called "sir" in NY, but I've gotten used to it here. And a conversation concerning politics or religion doesn't have to end in a shouting match. It is almost ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Feb 27, 14 10:23 PM
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Rick Scott has to be one of the most corrupt governors in the US. What in the heck have you been smoking?

Corruption Risk Report: Florida Ethics Laws

Florida statistics versus all U.S. states and territories for federal public corruption convictions include: Ranked #1 state in federal public corruption convictions - five times (1999, 2000, 2001,2004 and 2006) in last 12 years of available data (1999 – 2010), according to U.S. Department of Justice data.

Ranked as ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 27, 14 10:34 PM
If Floridians are to be judged by the actions and ineptitude of their governor, what does that say about We Americans?
By loading... (525), quiogue on Feb 27, 14 11:09 PM
WELL, this speaks volumes...

"Sam Bell is a graduate student in geology at Brown University. He’s also the state coordinator of the Rhode Island Progressive Democrats. No, he didn’t chase the National Rifle Association out by throwing rocks, but he did do some digging. He and his group unearthed serious campaign finance violations by the NRA’s state and national PACs. In an interview with Talking Points Memo, Bell explains that suspicions arose after a popular assault ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Feb 28, 14 12:25 AM
..."What difference does it make"
By They call me (2213), southampton on Feb 28, 14 1:10 AM
Here's Vice President Joe Biden on whether or not he will run for president in 2016:

" there's no obvious reason for me why I think I should not run."

It's the latest quote in a long line of them that all make one thing crystal clear:

Joe Biden would really like to run for president.

RUN JOE RUN

By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Feb 28, 14 8:19 AM
I would really love to see him run. That would be funny. I would love to see him debate Hillary. He'd get run over.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 10:37 AM
This is the problem you dont have in Florida

From todays Time online

Spike Lee’s Racism Isn’t Cute: ‘M—–f—– Hipster’ Is the New ‘Honkey’
What’s really bothering Lee is that he doesn’t like seeing his old neighborhood full of white people, which makes him historical detritus.

By John McWhorter Feb. 28, 20140

It’s interesting that the director of the richest oeuvre of black films ...more
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 28, 14 3:30 PM
i saw this creep on tv and it was clearly he who is playing the race card not joe and not dnice
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Feb 28, 14 5:24 PM
yes by this creep spike lee who ever he is
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Feb 28, 14 5:48 PM
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Phil, you play the race card more than anyone. Give it a rest. Nobody ( well, except maybe Mets fan) falls for your confrontational debate style. You being nothing to the table but contempt and loathing. Somebody please stand up for Phil and tell me I'm wrong.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 8:04 PM
Nonsense Phil, you look for opportunities to be contrarian, even when none exists.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 8:25 PM
Yep, just post some typical Phil nonsense and I will reply. Count on it.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 8:46 PM
Project away Phil.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 9:25 PM
Your wrong again and again and again.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 7:15 PM
RUN JOE RUN,
In a lengthy profile for Politico, Vice President Joe Biden spilled the beans on his high-level control within the Obama administration. Biden said, he the “last guy in the room on every major decision,” People close to both Joe and Hillary say the last 5 years also gave him insight into Clinton’s ambivalence about living in the White House, the shackles of fame and what Biden has described privately as ‘her burden of having to run for president.’”
RUN ...more
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Feb 28, 14 12:20 PM
Oh stop your Crying already
Feb 28, 14 2:26 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
If Hillary's health is as bad as Dem. sources said it is today Joey is your man, Whats the matter ? You have been a supporter of Joe being VP since 2008 Did you lose confidence in him or something?
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Feb 28, 14 2:26 PM
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More like the progressives are so scared of Uncle Joe they would rather run

Al Franken
Feb 28, 14 2:40 PM appended by joe hampton
THIS IS A BIG ...... DEAL
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Feb 28, 14 2:40 PM
It would be a dream come true if Biden was the candidate. He is unelectable. All he has to do is open his mouth the the dumb just flows.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 14 8:00 PM
Joe comes back from Florida with stories of meeting wonderful people of all races saying how great it is the everyone respects each other then Loading confirms every word of it.

Then Spike Lee gets on TV spewing hate like some sort of ignorant raciest piece of garbage, and you side with him.

You relly are a trip,
Feb 28, 14 9:22 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Save it Phil, You forget I came from a Latino Country and they don't have crap like these songs down there. Our children learned these songs on the streets of America where my people came for a better life only to lose so many of our youth to gang violence and the rap culture of the streets. The examples are so many and I don't even know if I can sensor them enough I will try, Devils fear this brand new ****. . . . I bleed them next time I see them. . . . I prey on these devils. . . . look what it has come to; who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing. . . . filling his body up with lead, yah; cra*ker in my way; slitting, slit his throat; watch his body shake; watch his body shake; that's how we do it in the mother****ing [San Francisco] Bay. . . . sitting on the dock of the dirty with my AK." "Heat--featuring Jet and Spice 1"; Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records. "He preys on old White ladies [who] drive the Mercedes with the windows cracked. . . . you should've heard the bit*h scre*ming. . . . sticking guns in cra*ckers' mouths. . . . the cops can't stop it. . . . " "Mad Ni**a"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, Time Warner, USA. "We're having thoughts of overthrowing the government. . . . the brothers and sisters threw their fists in the air. . . . it's open season on cra*kers, you know; the morgue will be full of Caucasian John Doe's. . . . I make the Riot **** look like a fairy tale. . . . oh my god, Allah, have mercy; I'm killing them devils because they're not worthy to walk the earth with the original black man; they must be forgetting; it's time for Armageddon, and I won't rest until they're all dead" "Goin Bananas"; Da Lench Mob, Planet of da Apes, 1994, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, UK. and I could give you more disgusting examples of this garbage all night long go look on the net for yourself - this has to stop!
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Feb 28, 14 9:22 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Feb 28, 14 9:31 PM
Undocumented Democrat Jus wrote
Save it Phil, You forget I came from a Latino Country and they don't have crap like these songs down there. Our children learned these songs on the streets of America where my people came for a better life only to lose so many of our youth to gang violence and the rap culture of the streets. The examples are so many and I don't even know if I can sensor them enough I will try, Devils fear this brand new ****. . . . I bleed them next time I see them. . . . I prey ...more
By local 84 (310), riverhead on Feb 28, 14 10:11 PM
Frijolero done lost hiz mind

haa
By local 84 (310), riverhead on Feb 28, 14 10:15 PM
Don't let him goat you dnice the statement was mine and I stand behind it.

All these Hispanic gang bangers are mostly the children of good hard working migrant workers who came here (legally or not) in search of the American dream" They are not bad kids but they never have a chance in the current urban hip hop culture

As UD correctly pointed out these disgraceful lyrics and culture are poisoning our youth.

These self proclaimed "gangsta" rappers need to stop... 99 % ...more
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 1, 14 12:40 AM
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marlin don't bother just look at these lyrics that he wont publicly denounce. Instead he says.

"the conservative requirement to adhere to their definition cultural norms shows a rejection of diversity. ???

conservatives come in all colorers if you do not like living in the greatest country ever devised then move instead of trying to bring down the country with hate like those songs you wont seem to rally against.
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 1, 14 11:19 AM
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..."What difference does it make"




By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 2, 14 2:12 AM
Lets see f this comment isn't censored. The race car is pointless and toothless, the only ones who make a big deal about race are the extreme left as illustrated right here!
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 1, 14 12:11 PM
Lets see f this comment isn't censored. The race car is pointless and toothless, the only ones who make a big deal about race are the extreme left as illustrated right here!
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 1, 14 12:11 PM
Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

Narcissistic, Machiavellian, psychopathic, and sadistic.

By Chris Mooney
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 1, 14 2:53 PM
here is title of book many of you would like to read... Though I'm almost afraid to pass it on since so many of y'all may not understand. The title is "America the Beautiful" by Ben Carson, MD. I found it interesting. But, one in which the writer seems to have his head in the clouds. I wonder if any of y'all read books any more?
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Mar 1, 14 3:46 PM
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Only ones with pictures;) Will give it a read, thanks.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 14 5:56 PM
The only really annoying thing about his prose is the million and one references to a non-existent omnipotent being. However, does any of this sound familiar?

"...an inordinate emphasis on sports and entertainment, a fixation with lifestyles of the rich and famous, political corruption, and the loss of a moral compass."

“If we would spend on education half the amount of money that we currently lavish on sports and entertainment, we could provide complete and free education ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 1, 14 9:15 PM
A smart man learns from his mistakes. A wise man learns from other's mistakes. Unfortunately I find that many, if not most people don't learn from their mistakes and are content to settle for what they have while blaming everything around them for their station in life. I don't know if we are past the point of no return, but I'm reasonably sure that we are close.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 1, 14 9:39 PM
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If this country learned from it's mistakes, there would have been no "Great Recession", no war campaigns halfway around the world, and we'd have an infrastructure which is not a disaster.

The latest:

65 foot crack discovered in Washington State dam
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 1, 14 10:43 PM
And here we are on the verge of yet another war.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 9:31 AM
Soon all we will have is a drum if this guy keeps striping the military in favor of more programs and stimulus

Maybe Putin will go away if we offer him free food stamps.
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 2, 14 11:15 AM
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I have no desire to get into a shooting was with Russia. I lay this entire situation at Obama's feet. 6 years of bowing to every foreign leader he can find and demonstrating that there is absolutely zero bite to his bark has completely emboldened Putin to do whatever he wants. He has seen how Obama reacts to crises, and knows that there will be absolutely zero repercussions to an invasion of Ukraine. This is where poor leadership and poor foreign policy gets you...every time.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 11:48 AM
Was Eisenhower weak in 1956, when Russia invaded Hungry. Was Nixon weak when Russia invaded the Czechs in 1968. Let's start with the domino theory, all over again. What would our presence be in Mexico if they had an unstable government. When Mexico got their independence from Spain, we stole their land twenty six years later.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 1:24 PM
Huh? Go back to sleep Mf.
Mar 2, 14 2:03 PM appended by dnice
Anybody who knows anything about our military capabilities knows that we are ill suited for this fight. When was the last time anybody went to the NTC and practiced fighting Russians? When was the last time we worried about and enemy on technological and tactical par with us? Fifteen years? We're going to shoot, move and communicate in a high intensity land war against RUSSIA? Half our Army is equipped and trained with Strykers and MRAPs. You're going to put a Stryker brigade up against BMP-3s and T-80s? Good luck with that. We aren't trained or equipped for this fight anymore.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 2:03 PM
Hey Phil, who is we? Why don't you stick to speaking for yourself. You have a consensus of one.

Once agains you disagree just to disagree.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 2:07 PM
What protection are you alluding to? You are obviously insecure Phil. What was the question you are referring to?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 2:42 PM
Reaper, posting twice doesn't mean there are two of you.
Mar 2, 14 3:42 PM appended by dnice
See my answer to Phil posted above. You on the other hand have never shown me any hostility so I would be happy to answer any question you may have. I have no problem having rational discussions with liberals or democrats. Some have even changed my opinions on some things(Mr Z is one). But if your sole purpose is just to attack and attempt to discredit or otherwise be confrontational for the sake of argument, I will respond in kind.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 3:42 PM
"Beat those war drums, dnice.
You don't have to go."

Are you dense Phil? I am against any action in Russia. Show me where I was beating the war drum. You see and read what you want and that is why I will not waste my time answering your questions. They are all trap questions. I will have better luck banging my head against the wall for a few hours but then I would only be as smart as you.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 3:47 PM
Victim implies that I have been hurt or harmed. I feel neither. Child psychology does not work on me Phil. It must kill you that you can't get me to play your game. I give you an A for effort though.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 4:02 PM
Again you have no idea about anything. Read a history book, or any book for that matter. You have no idea who you are or who you want to be, which is quite typical of the republican party today.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 7:13 PM
Wow, good one Mf!
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 9:12 PM
Just good advice before posting every nano second with your drivel. Be something besides immature and contrary.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 5:24 AM
facepalm
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 2:01 PM
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Great Book What Took You So Long To Read It ;)
Mar 2, 14 12:51 AM appended by 27dan
I was promoting it here over the summer, Dr Carson is a wonderful man
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 12:51 AM
Hey P@H Libertarians could care less about the color of your skin or who you are having sex with... As long as you have a job
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 2, 14 1:38 PM
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Because it leads to Oligarchy, which is eventually deposed.
Mar 2, 14 3:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, as far as being against, or creating legislation against homosexuality based on moral religious beliefs; HELL [expletive deleted] YES THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Separation of Church, and State remember? You don't want gay marriage in your church, that's fine. But you CANNOT legislate against it in a civic environment, because passing a law based on religion violates the Constitution. Super sorry...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 2, 14 3:22 PM
Leviticus.

Go ahead, live a life of Deuteronomy and Leviticus wholesale, instead of cherry picking what in the F*** you want to believe.

Get back to us after you've run the gamut...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 2, 14 8:28 PM
I wonder if the debt will even be an issue for Biden if he is indeed the candidate in 2016.

I would hope so

By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 2, 14 11:11 AM
I am sure it will come up especialy if he runs against Rand Paul
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 11:18 AM
Yes, those nasty unintended consequences like the ones we got from the Patriot Act.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 3:53 PM
Yeah, I blame the republicans for the Patriot Act, it was mostly their baby. We took a huge step back in our freedom with the passage of that abomination in the name of security.

How does the quote go, "this is how freedom dies, with thunderous applause"
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 4:11 PM
Typical Phil head games.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 4:35 PM
No Phil, you ask a question, all the while complaining that I am not answering them, and when I answer one you act like the malcontent that you are and then wonder what my problem is. Pretty funny actually.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 9:11 PM
Uh, no, don't think so. You take my refusal to answer your loaded question as some sort of weakness? Run with it Phil. I'm sure your ego needs the boost.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 10:06 PM
I knew you were wrapped a little tight but it's not surprising how you just keep going. How many different ways can I say that I am not interested in answering your nonsense? It serves no purpose.

I was correct that you would use more of my words towards you against me. Can't fault you for trying but it is boring me and probably anyone else reading this thread. It obviously bothers you though.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 10:56 PM
to philathome:

Quote:

"Rand Paul- who would have not voted for the civil rights act."
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nor would I nor any other Liberal seeing that the Supreme Court has construed it to establish privileged minorities and "benign" discrimination against white people in clear opposition to the language of the law and in violation of the very purpose for which our ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 2, 14 12:42 PM
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Admit it.
Obama drawing another red line with his crayon, and running down the street to the Hilton for a Happy Hour fundraiser while Putin launched an invasion of Ukraine was embarrassing.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 2, 14 1:43 PM
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Looks like Romney wasn't that far off when he said Russia was our greatest geo political rival. Bush and Obama have dropped the ball on this one.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 11:17 AM
Yes, I hate Obama but it has nothing to do with his color and everything to do with his governing.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 1:52 PM
Why are you so hung up on race? Could it be that it is one of the easier ways to make an argument?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 3:49 PM
I guess the standard response from the republican party would be get out or we'll start bombing.Followed by the insane Mccain saying we should put boots on the ground. Like we should have in Egypt, Syria, and Libya. Never met a war that the right didn't like. History has a tendency to repeat itself. The lessons from Viet Nam and 59,000 dead to stop the domino theory are quickly forgotten. History is funny, our neighbors from the south Mexico won their independence in 1821. Twenty six years later ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 7:32 PM
At least we agree that McCain is an idiot. No way should we get involved but because of treaties signed, we may just get dragged in. This is one fight we need to sit out. For a lot of reasons.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 9:17 PM
IDK MF 22 to 30 an hour not to shaby I know experianced men workin for less than half that each week
By local 84 (310), riverhead on Mar 2, 14 9:58 PM
really what is he supposed to pay them $70 per hour? your funny mets fan, you made me chuckle

thats over 55,000 per year

sounds pretty generous to me
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 2, 14 10:25 PM
It's 44k a year straight time, and after taxes you probably come away with 30-35k after medical and other deductions. Not good with math, are we?

"Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got.
but something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face..."
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 12:11 AM
Way off base again. $44,000 per year minus $24,000 for family health care(under the old rules), take taxes out, rent or mortgage, home insurance, car insurance, fuel oil. Don't forget their off for two months. Now tell me Erin how generous it is to live on $5,000 a year. Yep , that's right. But as Joe has told us how wonderful McDonald's dollar menu is. Those are the realities Erin. Still think it's a great life as Joe insists.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 5:21 AM
$22 an hour, while not great, is still a good wage by today's standards. I'm sure there are some people living according to your math but a lot of families have two incomes, have company provided insurance or at least partial. Your example is a little extreme.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 7:53 AM
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You have some nerve Mets Fan, You attack the business men on this site who have built something with there own hands. I do not think his men are complaining and I bet they gladly work 70 hours at that pay. I am sure he has men who have worked up and making over 100K per Year as most of the companys up and down CR 39.

You three always attack the business man $22 to $30 for cutting grass (If thats what Joe company does) sounds very fair.But I suppose he is supposed to be in business to share ...more
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 8:28 AM
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Wish I had time to respond... but the 14 hour 7 day a week time of the year is here.

Thanks Mets, Sorry for creating fair paying local jobs... it good to be appreciated.

what did you do today?
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 3, 14 8:38 AM
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I worked all year round so my employees didn't have to scramble to live. It's interesting Joe says they don't get unemployment, how is that possible making $22 an hour and having no paycheck for two months. Unless they in rent with other families, get picked up for work(maybe 7-11)go to Southampton hospital emergency room when they need attention. you get where I'm going with this, the numbers don't jive if your doing this legally.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 2:38 PM
i never respond to bigots like yourself. I created over the course of my business about five hundred jobs.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 2:41 PM
yeah it's a good thing your leaf blowing the grass with snow all over it. Another rip-off business that's a legend in his own mind.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 2:45 PM
Mf, a lot of speculation and heavy on the hate in those posts. Employees aren't indentured servants. If they can find a better situation elsewhere, they are free to move on. If an employee is valuable or irreplaceable then the pay should be commensurate to ensure they stay. You know what they say though, the cemetery is full of people that couldn't be replaced.

Bottom line is you have no idea what the relationship is between Joe and his employees. He is paying well above minimum wage ...more
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 3:03 PM
well thank you dnice... I dont know what this guys problem is

By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 3, 14 4:31 PM
I agree he does not really have a problem with what you pay your men , most likely has issue with your tell it like it is nature. the truth makes him uncomfortable
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 3, 14 5:58 PM













what in my statements is an untruth or an exaggeration of economic realities of today.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 4, 14 9:18 AM
get off your self righteous horse. crunch time is the hundred days of hell out here. Nobody is working like that with 22 degrees in March. Try telling the truth once on a while, I know that goes against your republican morals.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 4, 14 9:26 AM
I think it is clear to anyone who has read this extange....You make allot of unfounded assumptions... Is this typical of the way you live your life?

1. "Nobody is working like that with 22 degrees in March" ...trust me everyone that works any kind of construction or service business out here gets way over their 2080 hours per year.What does it matter if its all in 9 months or over 12

2. "Another rip-off business" Really based on what I will be waiting for my apology.
when ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 4, 14 1:34 PM
My business my not be as big as BF's or Joe's but I am a fair employer as well and you sir, you are awfully bitter about something and its do to the way BF, Joe our I treat our employees, No its political or race related or something. You owe so apologies
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 4, 14 1:39 PM
The wonderful Joe is back. His employees who make the fabulous salary of $22 per hour, have lived off the fat of the land without a paycheck for the last two months while boss is sunning himself. He says his employees maybe took a vacation. Where did they go Palm beach?ha-ha. at least his employees enjoy a special type of poverty, they can enjoy a better grade of dog food. If they were paying $24,000 a year for family health insurance under the old laws, how much money could be left. Stereotyping ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 2, 14 7:57 PM
In 1969, the median salary for an "average" worker was $35,567 in REAL DOLLARS. Today, the median wage for the "average" worker is $33,904 in REAL DOLLARS.

Only a complete idiotic, moronic, unintellectual, uninformed, brainwashed, total and complete fool would defend an economic system, and situation as such.

Seems we have a plethora of those who qualify...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 2, 14 8:36 PM
Z, tell us how you really feel;)

How do we fix that? I think it was you that wrote that the minimum wage needs to be $21. When it does gets raised it will probably go up to around $10. How do we fix that disparity? Do you think it will?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 2, 14 9:15 PM
Robert Reich Needs Just 2 Minutes and a Marker...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 2, 14 11:53 PM
He has a great resume and I think he was on Obamas eco team but not sure he had much of an impact. If he was on O's team I think he had a pretty big marker no?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 12:06 AM
Actually he was a cabinet member of the Clinton Administration.
And yes, he has a more than impressive resume.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 12:22 AM
So monetary policy, deregulation, union busting, the decimation of our formerly progressive tax policy, or income allocation in capital instead of wages and compensation have nothing to do with it, eh?

Coming up short, as usual. Try this on for size:

The State of Working America, 12th Edition (Mishel, Bivens, Gould, and Shierholz)
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 2:55 PM
Z, I agree with you on monetary policy and deregulation but not on union busting or decimation of progressive tax( 39% seems like quite enough). Union history is filled with waste and corruption.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 3:11 PM
So is corporate history, and history in general.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 4:43 PM
The majority of academia, and a host of rather intelligent businessmen would disagree with you. Money printing and bubbles have skewed market valuation severely in all sectors across the board. In fact Oxfam has done the math, and the 85 wealthiest people on the planet hold more wealth than 3.5 billion of it's poorest inhabitants. Chew on that for a bit...


"I should write a book on how to get by on $500 million, because apparently there's a lot of people who don't... know how to ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 11:09 PM
When the middle class does not earn a decent wage which allows for disposable income, you will not drive GDP or create jobs. You can't create those skill positions if there is no demand for the product those skills would provide because 50 million of your population live in poverty. Minimum wage and median wage has not kept pace with top income growth and inflation. 10% of the population takes home over half the nation's income, but pay less than a 25% tax rate on average. The pay "most of the ...more
Mar 4, 14 1:00 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, the one thing most college students major in these days is DEBT...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 4, 14 1:00 PM
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The more that's printed, the more they "earn". Income levels go up every time the Treasury runs the presses, but 95% of the gains go to 1% of the workforce. The disparity is not caused by market forces, otherwise it would have been true for the last 85 years, not just the last 35. The disparity is created by the fact that we don't live in a "free market" with proper rules and enforcement. Our markets exist in a state of unregulated fiscal anarchy. You play ball, you have rules. You're corporate ...more
Mar 5, 14 2:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
I must say as well that no one should be in poverty or hungry in a country that easily wastes 35 million tons of food a year.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 5, 14 2:19 PM
You do realize that more than two thirds of our economy is based on consumer spending, right?

That "oil boom" will be the death of this planet. The industrial revolution has been over for quite some time...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 5, 14 8:29 PM
Without demand, there is no production. Without disposable income, there is no demand for more than basic necessities. People will buy the $10 prepaid flip phone (with the lower profit margin), not the pretty smartphone if they don't have the disposable income. Intermediate goods like circuit boards are part of the economy, but if there is no demand for finished products like TVs, phones, or DVDs as examples the production of such goods is a losing proposition.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 5, 14 9:05 PM
You just don't get it, do you?

You can have a great product or service, but if you can't drive volume because people can't afford it, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
Mar 6, 14 10:05 PM appended by Mr. Z
FYI, Radio Shack is going under. Demand for cell phones is down, people are keeping them longer. And you can get what they have from Amazon for less. Hypothesis and theory are nice, but most of us live in the real world...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 5, 14 10:05 PM
Tucker.
Mar 6, 14 4:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
OK, maybe that's not the best example of unaffordability. It is an example of "pay to play" power structure. Toys R Us is also in trouble. More job losses like the Shack to online retailers...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 6, 14 4:15 PM
Being ahead of your time isn't easy, or often good for product sales:


1. Ferdinand Porsche designed a hybrid car in 1898

2. Sony introduced the first consumer-grade video tape in 1975

3. Fujitsu released the first 32-bit gaming system in 1993

4. Xerox invented the graphical user interface (GUI) years before Apple and Microsoft made it the standard

5. Apple created "HyperCard" in 1987

6. Sony invented the MiniDisc back in 1992

7. ...more
Mar 6, 14 4:38 PM appended by Mr. Z
85 people hold more wealth than HALF the world's population. There is no sane or logical reason for poverty to exist. Wealth hoarding is just as much and addiction as cocaine, and it triggers the same neurochemistry in the brain. Money addict, or drug addict, it's the same brain chemistry...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 6, 14 4:38 PM
Affordable education and opportunity mitigate, and even have the potential to eliminate those factors. Certain degrees of difficulty and adversity are the kinds of challenges which can make you great.

A degraded infrastructure provided by hubris does not provide those things.

Which do "We" have?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 7, 14 3:14 PM
i was just watching cnn and found it interesting that john king said If you're the democrats, I know it's only march, but you have to look at the poll numbers and think, "we're about to get thumped."

wow that from cnn

By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 2, 14 10:22 PM
On a sad note this week (and it's only going to get worse):

10 million scallops are dead; Qualicum company lays off staff

"...carbon dioxide levels have increased dramatically in the waters of the Georgia Strait, forcing the PH levels to 7.3 from their norm of 8.1 or 8.2."

"(The high acidity level means the scallops) can't make their shells and they are less robust and they are susceptible to infection," said Saunders, who also said this level of pH in the water is not ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 2:41 AM
And what do you suggest as a solution ? You are great at pointing the finger at everyone else. but I never hear much in the way of your opinion on a corrective coarse of action.
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 8:33 AM
The corrective "coarse" of action is to reduce carbon emissions. If you've been paying attention for, I don't know, almost five years you'd have read posts by me about alternative fuels, carbon neutral fuels, reducing carbon emissions, eliminating corporations as "people", and taking this country back to it's origins when corporations were limited to a business role and there was no such thing as lobbyists, or "borers" as they were originally called.

Any lacking on your part is your problem.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 9:20 AM
Z, is there proof that it is being caused by carbon emissions? I though I read something recently(Greenpeace co founder) that debunked that (CO levels rising as a result of emissions).
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 9:49 AM
Between anthropogenic carbon, deforestation, and development the planet is less capable of processing CO2 than it ever has been. The outgassing by volcanism is less than 1% of all anthropogenic source amounts, and the carbon released by wildfires is about what the planet has the capability of processing to keep an even keel.

Phytoplankton is the basis of the food chain, and it is suffering due to acidification (hypercapnia). Deformation of their shells is only the beginning, and if we ...more
Mar 3, 14 11:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, it would probably disturb you greatly to know the amount of radioactive isotopes the burning of coal releases in the form of thorium, radium, and uranium. And the fly ash? Maybe you're better off not knowing...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 11:59 AM
Assuming for the moment that all the facts and theories you present are proven 100% accurate, how do you draw a link between CO2 emissions and changing PH levels in certain tidal areas? Or is repetitive citing of what "we know" sufficient to blame all our ills on one impossible to quantify change?
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 3, 14 3:56 PM
Antarctic ice cores are rather quantifiable, and are a window into past atmospheric content. When you get into the "nitty gritty" of tidal areas there are other factors to consider such as algae, turbulence, flushing, plant photosynthesis, and animal respiration. Tidal areas are not the rest of the ocean...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 4:52 PM
So why link a solitary area of scallop decline to CO2 levels? Do you think it enhances your credibility?
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 3, 14 6:54 PM
Because nominal ocean pH is dropping, and it is the source of the stress. The lower the source pH, the greater the stress on carbonaceous life forms to begin with. It affects all life in tidal zones, as the ocean is the source of the rising tide.
Mar 3, 14 7:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
As a sidenote, viruses have been documented as surviving for 30,000 years frozen in the tundra. Imagine what wonderful surprises might await us tucked away in the deep freeze...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 3, 14 7:44 PM
"As a sidenote, viruses have been documented as surviving for 30,000 years frozen in the tundra. Imagine what wonderful surprises might await us tucked away in the deep freeze..."

That is an interesting thought and something I have never thought of.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 8:54 PM
Is it being assumed that only GOOD viruses await us tucked away in the deep freeze?

Perhaps Andromeda is straining to get out?

Just a thawt . . .
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 4, 14 12:30 PM
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By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 3, 14 7:10 AM
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deja vu
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 3, 14 9:50 PM
all over again . . .
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 4, 14 5:41 AM
Ha, thanks Yogi;)
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 4, 14 7:52 AM
LT. COL. RALPH PETERS :"Putin Believes In Russia;" Obama "Does Not Believe In This Country"

Look, the bottom line on this is Russia has a real leader. You may not like him, and I don't, but he is brilliant and ruthless, he has clear goals and he moves straight toward those goals. The West lacks a leader. Like it or not, the president of the United States is the de facto leader of the West, and our president just is -- he's incapable and unwilling to lead.

The weakness ...more
Mar 5, 14 12:21 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
LOL , Knew you would say just that, Just wanted to wake up to a laugh, You never disappoint.
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 5, 14 12:21 AM
Let me make this clear of what my point was with the perfect american Joe. The right is against safety nets(raising our debt), illegal immigration, and Obamacare. However Joe insists that the $22 an hour he pays provides a decent life. I'm going to use your numbers. For a family it costs $23 to $24 thousand a year for health insurance. With Obamacare this employee would be eligible for a subsidy. Everyboby insists that their insurance went up after Obamacare. Joe insists that he doesn't have any ...more
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 5, 14 4:27 PM
You still harping on this Mf. Do you have any proof or is this just speculation?

Btw - I haven't met anyone whose insurance went down unless they ended up receiving lesser coverage. Mine went up $300 per month and my copays went up 35%.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 14 8:48 PM
That's why $22 an hour doesn't work according to your information.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 4:47 PM
Listen Pal you clam to be so worldly then I will not bore you with how long it took me to get where I am and the sacrifices me and my family had to endure along the way or what it costs me to operate or the red tape I have to climb through each day so the bureaucracy can pay its bills.

You seem think its so easy.

Last time I checked McDonald's and Home depot where starting people at half of what I do so go harass them for a while.

These guys did not come here with h21 ...more
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 5, 14 4:49 PM
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By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 5, 14 5:28 PM
I never said it was easy, easy on the martyrdom. If you think it's too painful to own a business, go work for somebody. Maybe they'll pay you $22 to $30 an hour, just think how grand life would be. You could work forty hours instead of ninety eight that your matrydom professes.Just think of the overtime for ninety-eight hours would be. But I'm sure you pay overtime. RRRRIIIIGGHHTTT.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 4:44 PM
Mf, I don't think you know what you are talking about. Your dislike of Joe has clouded your judgement. You can't possibly know the particulars of his business and thus have been forced to speculate. What do you really know about it?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 14 5:50 PM
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By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 5, 14 7:37 PM
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By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 5, 14 7:59 PM
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Mike and Ikeathome
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 5, 14 8:49 PM
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By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 14 6:46 AM
Deja vu
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 6, 14 10:04 AM
"Deja vu" adds immensely to the conversation in my opinion, but of course certain people may have to adjust their blinders . . .
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 6, 14 10:48 AM
PBR is free to post whatever he sees fit and he almost always has something to add to the conversation. Why so much anger over a harmless post?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 14 6:15 PM
Not attack, defense. Thought someone smart like you would know the difference.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 14 6:31 PM
Deja you Phil.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 14 8:35 PM
To clarify -- there are SEVEN deleted comments in red just above the "deja vu" comment.

When the atmosphere here, the civility of the discussion, devolves to the point of multiple successive comments being deleted, a comment of

DEJA VU

not only adds to the discussion, such as it is (not), but attempts to get all of you to mind your manners and be as civilized as you expect "the other side" to be!

Really!
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 6:37 AM
Perhaps phil, but YOU are the only one who found the need to criticize the "deja vu" comment! [followed up by dnice who was replying to your solo comment in criticism]

You might learn something here about perception, impulse control, impatience and anger?
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 11:01 AM
And martyrdom . . .
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 11:03 AM
At the end of the day joe 6 mets fan 0
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 6, 14 11:33 AM
At the end of the day I don't want racists, bigots, narrow minded people on my side. Not all republicans are racists, but if you are a racist you are a republican, such as yourself based on your posts.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 7, 14 4:36 PM
You lose in the court of public opinion,

Have a magical day
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 7, 14 9:19 PM
At the end of the day, in a larger scope the right wing bigots and racists have lost every election since this web-site opened. The people of this land have a common sense of good purpose that you will never understand. They can see bigotry and racism in it's purest form and vote against it. You are the minority here and in this country as well due to the hatred and stereotyping of the right.
By Mets fan (954), Southampton on Mar 8, 14 10:13 AM
If readers want to get a clear picture of Congressman Darrell Issa's character, they should read, "Don't Look Back" by Ryan Lizza in The New Yorker (January 24, 2011.) Simply put, he's a lying crook, and has been from an early age. His behavior in the committee meeting is explicable by an arrogance resulting from his (almost) never having had to pay the price for his misdeeds.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 6, 14 4:47 PM
HHS, sadly that goes for all of those bungling idiots in elected positions. There are so few good elected officials. Both sides are embarrassing and the public just lets them continue to act like buffoons. Vote them all out.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 6, 14 6:18 PM
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Cruz is a tank, that's why the left fears and demonizes him so much more than Paul. They know he is a serious threat to their plans. They know Cruz could lead to years and years of Republican control and create an increasingly Conservative Republican Party, which they cannot defeat.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 7, 14 1:32 AM
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I am really starting to like Cruz. He seemed a little too extreme for me at first but the more I read of him and the more I hear, I think there is a method to his madness, so to speak, and I am watching to see what he does. The R party needs good leadership and perhaps he can fill that void.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 14 11:28 AM
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Congratulations Phil thats the most likes you have gotten to one of your posts in years
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 7, 14 8:14 PM
Cruz as a candidate guarantees a Democratic victory in 2016
By But I'm a blank! (1274), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 14 11:35 AM
to But I'm a blank!:

What a presumptuous thing to say about our Ted. All true Republicans know that he is the man of the hour.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 7, 14 3:23 PM
HHS, have you seen what is in the republican pool lately?;)
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 14 5:46 PM
Algae?
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 7, 14 5:54 PM
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No. but I saw Red Dawn 3 times
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 8, 14 6:01 AM
Baby Ruth?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 14 9:08 PM
Dr. Ben Carson Rips "PC Police" at CPAC: "Don't Let The Left Shut You Up"
: Here is the good news. The majority of people in this country have common sense. The problem is they have been beaten into submission, you know the PC Police and all these people, and people are afraid to speak up for what they believe. And, you know, one of the principles of Saul Alinsky, he said you make the majority believe that what they think is outdated and nobody thinks that way and that the way they think is ...more
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 8, 14 11:24 PM
Cruz / Walker 16
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 7, 14 9:16 PM
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CONGRATULATION ! Sen. Rand Paul wins CPAC straw poll !!!!!!!!

Second-place finisher Texas GOP Sen. Ted Cruz !

Third-place finisher was Dr. Ben Carson!

Followed by some Rino from jersey that hhs picked for us, I forget his name .

and next was the Honorable Wisconsin . Gov. Scott Walker !



By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 8, 14 7:34 PM
Yes it is nice to see some men of principle
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 11, 14 10:56 AM
Rand Paul?

The apple fell far from that tree.

You want a real hero? Try this guy:

Samuel Taliaferro Rayburn
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 11, 14 11:34 PM
"Personal Integrity"

Although many Texas legislators were on the payroll of public service corporations, Rayburn refused to do so. As he recounted in a speech during his congressional campaign:

"When I became a member of the law firm of Steger, Thurmond and Rayburn, Messrs. Thurmond and Steger were representing the Santa Fe Railroad Company, receiving pay monthly. When the first check came after I entered the firm, Mr. Thurmond brought to my desk one-third of the amount of the ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 11, 14 11:42 PM
February 21st, 2013
(CNN) - Sen. Rand Paul cut another six-figure check to the United States Treasury Wednesday, taking the money he said he didn't need from his office's budget to make a tiny dent in the nation's massive federal debt.
Last year Paul returned $500,000 to the Treasury, and said he hoped other members of Congress would follow his cost-cutting lead. In total, Paul's office says they've returned $1.1 million that was unspent from his office's operating budget.

Since ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 12, 14 12:14 AM
Sorry, Rand is not his father. He's timid of speaking his mind, is less than stellar on foreign policy, there's the "alleged" plagiarism, his idiotic comments about civil rights, and he's incredibly timid regarding monetary policy.

He ain't got the cogliones his father had. Maybe he'll get them as he grows up.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 12, 14 1:18 AM
It's good he isn't his father. His father was unelectable.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 14 8:46 PM
How does one who is "unelectable" spend 22 years elected to public office?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 13, 14 12:39 AM
Really Z, you were confused as to what I meant?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 14, 14 9:15 PM
It was late, and admittedly it did go over my head. Sometimes the long days catch up with you...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 15, 14 8:19 PM
Yeah man, that they do.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 14 9:25 PM
This is exactly why most Americans want voters to show their ID. Democrats are just plain dishonest

It's unclear how she managed it, but a woman who is thought to have died in 2008 apparently voted in the 2010 midterm elections. That woman: Pia Farrenkopf, believed to be the identity of the person found mummified in a garage in Pontiac, Mich. Voting records show Farrenkopf a registered Democrat voted in 2010,

Just show ID its not that hard


By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 11, 14 5:05 PM
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Are you aware of any election ever held in this country where voter fraud changed the results?
By But I'm a blank! (1274), Hampton Bays on Mar 11, 14 10:54 PM
I don't, but I know of an election in which the servers "went down" in Ohio, and another wherein Anonymous' "Great Oz" stopped Karl Rove from stealing an election.

Pesky, dishonest Republican at play, eh?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 11, 14 11:13 PM
And the first time I am denied my Constitutional right to vote, can I count on you for back up when I refuse to show ID? After all you are Capt America.
By But I'm a blank! (1274), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 14 1:21 PM
"It is critical to the survival of a healthy democracy that the electoral process be clean and fair."

By Captn America (3398), Barack Obama's America on Mar 12, 14 8:38 PM


"Clean and Fair"?

End corporate personhood, and maybe, just MAYBE that would possibly become fair, true, and accurate.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 14, 14 1:53 AM
FLORIDA: Democrats Take Brutal Loss in ‘Must Win’ Race Obamacare bellwether race,

It’s rare in politics that anything other than a presidential contest is viewed as a “must win” — but the special election in Florida’s 13th District falls into that category for Democrats.

A loss in the competitive March 11 contest would almost certainly be regarded by dispassionate observers as a sign that President Barack Obama could constitute an albatross ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 11, 14 8:06 PM
The White House is purposely withholding the numbers that matter. How many have actually paid for insurance? How many of those already had insurance before Obama broke healthcare? When will you have to do another bailout to save the insurance companies?
How many people have they shuffled into Medicaid and they are counting as enrollees in Obamacare? I guarantee you that number will be shocking.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 11, 14 8:14 PM
Representative-elect David Jolly, R-Fla., said that today's victory in a special election "reflects some of the frustration voters feel about ObamaCare and the role of government in their lives."
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 11, 14 11:06 PM
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A district Barack Obama won twice.
In Alex Sink, Democrats had a better-funded, well-known nominee who ran a strong campaign against a little-known, second- or third-tier Republican who ran an often wobbly race.
RNC chairman Reince Priebus: "His victory shows that voters are looking for representatives who will fight to end the disaster of Obamacare, to get Washington to spend our money responsibly, and to put power in the hands of families and individuals. In November, voters all across ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 12, 14 7:16 AM


IT BEGINS: REPUBLICAN WINS FL CONGRESSIONAL SEAT...

Democrats 'have reason to worry'...

FLASHBACK: Race Dems Can't Afford to Lose...

Axelrod 'explains'...
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WSJ/NBCNEWS POLL: Obama hits new low..
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 12, 14 9:59 AM
Republicans have held that seat for over four decades, and won the race by less than 4,000 votes.

Republicans also spent well over 11 million dollars on ads, and vilification of Alex Sink. Plenty of "dark money" flowing in. Here are some basics to chew on, and don't go blowing this out of proportion. It really was a degenerate effort on the part of Republicans, and voters:

Only 39.08 percent turnout. Of the 477,635 active, registered voters in the county only 186,650 people ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 12, 14 10:25 AM
Correction...Republicans spent less than $5 million on Jolly's behalf, according to the Center for Public Integrity’s analysis of FEC records, including the National Republican Congressional Committee ($2.2 million), the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ($1.2 million), the American Action Network ($470,000) and American Crossroads ($470,000).

Dems — including the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and House Majority PAC — also sprung to Alex Sink’s defense, but ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 13, 14 8:58 AM
Yep, sorry the 11 mil was combined.

Still, that's a lot of one dollar, one vote...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 14, 14 1:55 AM
PAUL / CRUZ 2016
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 12, 14 10:03 AM
"You have a country that's undercutting itself for the cheap, quick buck. They're after the fast high; they're after the grift, rather than going all in on America, the long term goal and investment."

~ Henry Rollins
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 12, 14 10:13 AM
Z, attitude reflects leadership.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 12, 14 8:47 PM
"Conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward."

~ FDR
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 13, 14 12:50 AM
Oh Phil, you try so hard but still remain stagnant, uninspired and redundant.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 14 7:15 PM
See what I mean? Boring.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 14 7:43 PM
All over again . . .

Funny, a new person throwing the "Deja vu" stone!

Deja Nu!
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 14, 14 5:55 PM
Not really funny PBR, but totally predictable. Phil loves to sample from other's posts.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 14, 14 7:53 PM
If you are talking about Boehner and McConnell you are right they have to go !
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 12, 14 11:29 PM
You got that right and no more McCain's or Christies lets make this a real decision this time Paul or Cruz VS Hillary, Bidden or Emanuel

The country has seen the last 13 years of the same BS lets restore this Republic to a proud Nation once again
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 12, 14 11:53 PM
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I really think both of you should come over to the independent party.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 13, 14 12:34 AM
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee today said "Constitution Is 400 Years Old"

Sheila Jackson-Lee; Yale '72; B.A. Political Science ???

And the Libs say that GWB is dumb.

Compared this commie, the guy, who says that there are 57 states, and the other guy, who thinks Putin is a 19th century dictator, GWB looks like a member of Mensa.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 12, 14 11:57 PM
The Magna Carta was 574 years old in 1789.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 13, 14 12:53 AM
"The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the COMMONWEALTH; that is, the natural wealth of localities, and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which COMMONWEALTH is the foundation and practical means."

~ Wendell Berry
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 14, 14 5:13 PM
Cave

Idus Martii

Cave
By Nero (235), Sag Harbor on Mar 15, 14 2:44 PM
PLANE TO PAKISTAN?
Satellite data shows hijacked MH370 was last seen flying toward Pakistan OR Indian Ocean as investigators search pilots' luxury homes and reveal one had home-made flight simulator

I held my thoughts on this for 9 days put I think It is time we consider the obvious
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 15, 14 8:12 PM
I agree. Someone jacked it with bad intentions. Hard to make a plane disappear unless you are organized and had a well thought out plan.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 14 9:27 PM
The plane had at least five hours worth of fuel according to what I've read. That's a pretty big range. In addition it appeared to be flown in a manner as to avoid radar detection and the communications failures were sequential which may very well indicate that the systems were intentionally disabled.

It really looks like someone knew exactly what they were doing.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 15, 14 10:31 PM
At first I thought the plane would surely be spotted by ground-based radar if it attempted to enter the airspace of India or any other country within its range, but then I learned of Chinese media reports of late that detail making things disappear using different types of invisibility cloaks. Is it possible the plane was ‘cloaked’ using high-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists currently?
Almost 10% of the passengers on that plane work for Freescale Semiconductor.
"Freescale’s ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 16, 14 8:19 AM
"What about the 200+ people on board? If it's jacked, why no word about them?"

If that door they supposedly found floating in the ocean was blown at 45,000 feet, they are no longer with us unless they had oxygen.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 16, 14 10:40 AM
What are you talking about ? From what I have been seeing on fox there is no door?
CNN Is all over the place on this one
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 17, 14 8:00 AM
That's why I said supposedly.

I try to avoid getting my news from Rupert Murdoch...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 17, 14 4:38 PM
Packed with nuclear waste, the plane would make a dirty bomb of the first degree. Israel should be very concerned.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 16, 14 8:44 AM
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This is the intent I am concerned with. That plane can fly on auto pilot below radar for a great distance. If a group was able to pull this off and hide the plane with absolutely no trace, which we have to admit is a baffling occurrence, then they are seriously organized and are not to be underestimated. This is unprecedented.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 16, 14 9:02 AM
State TV says Russia could turn US to 'radioactive ash'.
By Stuart Williams

Klimentyev).Moscow (AFP) - A leading anchor on Russian state television on Sunday described Russia as the only country capable of turning the United States into "radioactive ash", in an incendiary comment at the height of tensions over the Crimea referendum

Wonderful... Keep cutting that defense budget to finance more spending
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 17, 14 8:04 AM
You called it, It is the most disgusting display of armature behavior we have ever witnessed coming out of the white house in its history.

Did you see the Zack Galifianakis interview , How embarrassing for the President to participate in. Its shameful at best
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 17, 14 3:38 PM
Should have been banging his shoe on the newsdesk while he was at it.

And, get a sense of humor. Puritan levels of propriety are vastly overrated.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 17, 14 4:40 PM
to Captn America:

There are so many impotent, ankle-biting homunculi about that they should form their own party. Oh, wait, they HAVE!
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 17, 14 11:14 AM
Good Luck Mr. Bishop, ummm whatever happened with that ethics probe?
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 17, 14 12:25 PM
Maldives... many witnesses report having seen 'low flying plane'...

Well well well why does that not surprize...

Wonder where it could have been headed flying so low avoiding India

I Wonder? Any ideas

By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 18, 14 10:55 PM
Jackistan?
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 18, 14 11:39 PM
ding ding
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 18, 14 11:49 PM
But we were conspiracy nuts to think it;)
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 19, 14 8:10 AM
Our illustrious VP visits Poland today to purportedly provide "reassuring optics" around the tense situation between Ukraine and Russia.

He declares "Fifteen years ago, I was honored, as the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, to lead the fight for Poland's admission into NATO."

In fact, Sen. Jesse Helms (R-NC) led the fight for Poland's NATO admission.
Poland joined NATO in 1999.

Biden served as chairman from 2001 to 2003.

What an embarrASSing buffoon. ...more
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 18, 14 11:19 PM
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Showing the world this face, it's no wonder we get no "R-S-P-E-C-T."
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 19, 14 12:06 AM
He is poking fun at the fact that Obama misspelled it.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 19, 14 8:11 AM
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to marlinspike:

Not to worry, I am confident that the extremist Right-Wing can field any number of psychopathic, egomaniacal presidential candidates just like the Russian premier whom it admires. Someone who will throw down and reach for his nuclear weapons rather than "just talk".
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 19, 14 11:19 AM
So HHS you saying we should be sending in Barry's buddies?

Maybe you have a point we could send

Dead Fish Emanuele and Tony Rez to deal with Putin.

Maybe Bill Ayers can go do what he does best at the Kremlin

How about sending Jimmy Carter with another reset button
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 19, 14 1:37 PM
associations forecast reputations



By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 19, 14 2:18 PM
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Send Jimmy with a reset another button... Lol

Sending Billy Ayers wont work... Declassified FBI Report on the Weather Underground Organization clearly states Bill had extensive stays in Communist countries of Cuba, Vietnam and Russia; WUO's goals to establish "world communism" and "overthrow capitalism" in "imperialist" America; murder conspiracy; involvement in US Vietnam-era Chicago riots; ties to the PLO, Quebec Liberation Front, SDS, Black Liberation Front and Black Panthers; meeting ...more
Mar 19, 14 1:55 PM appended by joe hampton
But to be fair the NY Times said during the period of time when Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted campaign gatherings at their home with Barry and Michelle they say he had given up bombing and shooting into police stations.
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 19, 14 1:55 PM
associations forecast reputation
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 19, 14 2:16 PM
omg, how did the media not know of these pictures and associations before he got elected it is like nobody vetted this man.

or i guess nobody wanted to vet this man.

it is amazing, and also amazing is how some people on this site could care less.

where did you get that picture? is it really obama and that ayers creep back at collage?
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 19, 14 2:28 PM
The media always knew what kind of people obama runs with, the choose to give him a pass at every opportunity. Just like the progressives here in there heart know how corrupt he is. They do not care because in there minds the ends justify the means.

W was know better, at least Regan stood for something

We need a man like Rand Paul to reach across the aisle and clean house!

Mar 19, 14 3:29 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Like Joe and Captain have been saying, it is up to "WE THE PEOPLE" to restore checks and balances, and the constitution of this great Republic
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 19, 14 3:29 PM
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lol
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 19, 14 3:34 PM
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By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Mar 19, 14 3:34 PM
The truth is most americans dont' vote on policy. Did you read the artical a woman was concerned about Obama's connection to Bill Ayers and his radical beliefs, and how Isreal will be treated. Hmmm she was sold on Republican Rhetoric, We vote on feelings, fear, ignorance, mistrust. What I saw is that many people looked past ...more thier feelings for the first time in a long time and saw a man who just might be able to move this country forward.

By pstevens (346), Wilmington on Nov 6, 08 ...more
Mar 19, 14 3:52 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
We vote on feelings, fear, ignorance, mistrust. Have you seen enough yet? I have!
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 19, 14 3:52 PM
This is a job for Ted Cruz. He should fly to Lenin Square in Simferopol and whine at the Russians for 21 hours.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 19, 14 3:28 PM
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FOX News: Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney was on “Hannity” tonight to explain how missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 could have landed in Pakistan to be used for terrorism.

If McInerney knows somthing thats good enough for me

Its starting to look like we will not have to find this plane... It will find us
Mar 19, 14 8:30 PM appended by joe hampton
Meanwhile on ESPN the President fills out 2014 NCAA Bracket
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 19, 14 8:30 PM
And he did it without a tele prompter or help from Valerie Jarrett.

Really It was amazing to watch him do something he has passion for

So fluid and decisive

very telling
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 19, 14 8:41 PM
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It's his real passion that scares the hell out of me
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 19, 14 10:09 PM
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It was P@H's B Day on Saturday maybe he is still hung over ?

But I am guessing it is a mild depression realizing he is going to lose the senate due to ObamaCare
Mar 20, 14 4:56 PM appended by They call me
Today Pelosi dodges reporter asking why health insurance premiums are rising ??? Pelosi: Dems Not Running On Obamacare; We're Running On Jobs, LOLLLLLLLL
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 20, 14 4:56 PM
Hey ... You gotta pass the bill to see whats in it
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 20, 14 5:14 PM
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All the folks in Oregon saw what was in it, and they were not impressed

More than four months after its scheduled launch and despite receiving $305 million in federal grants and spending at least $160 million on the website, Cover Oregon has not enrolled anyone.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 20, 14 5:46 PM
I'm going to miss the Tea Party. Even as their numbers dwindle to oblivion, their diehards trumpet their renaissance, reminiscent of the stock vaudeville character of the crusty old Southerner gentleman who irrelevantly cries "The South shall Rise again" with dramatic flourish in between sips of bourbon. Don't see them around anymore either. ["sigh"]
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 20, 14 6:36 PM
TCM, I wonder what part of Oregon has not enrolled anyone.
Hat Head did not understand. We are not going anywhere Pal...

Thursday, March 20
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By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 20, 14 7:28 PM
Rand Paul gets standing ovation at Berkeley:

Thats right Joe We are here to stay!

Thanks for dropping by hat, Bu Buy
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 20, 14 7:51 PM
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to joe hampton & Undocumented Democratic:

Quote:

"We are here to stay!"
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Never said you weren't. You are the political hippies of the aughts. The vast majority of Americans will look back on you as we do the love children now, except that you will be remembered for iconic meanness rather than for childlike trust. When mainstream America has long since accepted health care ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 20, 14 8:26 PM
Oh BS, Listen Frenchie, you stand there and by proxy compare the principals of the founding fathers to hippies. I do not recall Jefferson or Adams staring in Coca Cola commercials about teaching the world to sing. There were no Americans being turned away from getting medical care before.

This is a tax in disguise it is class warfare and
in fact it is Robert Reich, You ,Z and P that are much better aliened with the flower children
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 20, 14 10:46 PM
B O makes an appearance on Ellen today, and he gets treated to her fawning adoration (as would be expected).
DeGeneres said "everyone's very grateful" for Obamacare. She gushes, "It’s doing very, very well...you’ve got 5 million (?) people signed up so far. [Applause] An enormous number of people have signed up, so it’s successful....Well, for people who are starting to applaud here, I think everyone’s very grateful that you did this."

O M G
By loading... (525), quiogue on Mar 20, 14 11:35 PM
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to Undocumented Democrat:

Mon Dieu! What do you have against the French, our revolutionary allies without whose assistance we would likely still be British subjects? By comparison, we Liberals are quite fond of the French, whose nation was the creche of the modern concept of political equality upon which our nation is founded and which is the core of Liberalism.

You also seem to have completely forgotten that the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are quintessential ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 21, 14 9:50 AM
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OK Its been 2 1/2 weeks and I still have not heard an anchor from CNN say the work Pakistan what are they afraid of?

They have on 3 separate occasions had a guest one that I have heard with my own ears! Say, " everyone wants to find this plane in the South Indian ocean or It would be wonderful if we found this plane of the coast of Australia" ? I ask WHY !

Wouldn't CNNs guest rather find these people are still alive (even if they are hostages in Pakistan of Iran)

Even ...more
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 21, 14 10:40 AM
All the countries to the west and north, including those NW of the Himalayas were mentioned extensively at the beginning of the coverage by all networks and commentators. Perhaps you missed the early coverage?

From the last satellite ping we know ONLY that the plane was somewhere on a large circle, either north or south of the last point based on previous radar hits (NOT that it was "headed toward yes Pakistan").

Your private agenda is tiresome.

By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 21, 14 11:18 AM
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PS joe, why do you spell Southampton incorrectly as two words if you are such a local?
By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 21, 14 11:19 AM
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If you read my post you would have addressed my qestion... Shouldn't you & Chris Hayes be hoping these poor souls are still alive instead of praying there dead just to be politically correct?

What if this plane is in the hands of radical Muslims loading it with enough dirty bomb material to "Wipe Israel of the Map"

Isn't that what Iran keeps promising to do.

It is you private agenda of burying your head in the sand that grows tiresome...

Mar 21, 14 6:28 PM appended by joe hampton
And I have spelled Southampton correctly for 8 years on this blog. I have been pestered to change the way it came out on the profile for the same 8 years but find that such a trivial thing bothers all you spell police comical. Perhaps you missed that?
By joe hampton (2975), south hampton on Mar 21, 14 6:28 PM
Maybe Joe lives in South Hampton New Hampshire
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 21, 14 6:41 PM
Maybe PBR and Phil should move to Amsterdam
Mar 21, 14 6:46 PM appended by 27dan
Or at least into the room over High Hats garage
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 21, 14 6:46 PM
Really?

Honest to goodness Progressives gave us the Safe Food and Drug Act, National Parks, anti-trust legislation, and worked hard to keep corporate influence on politics at bay.

Whatever you think a "progressive" is, it's not even close to your fool statement.
Mar 21, 14 9:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
And FYI, so far so good Washington state's minimum wage policies are working rather well. We shall see what the future brings.l
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 21, 14 9:12 PM
<---------------Here is the face of there definition of Progressivism
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 21, 14 9:44 PM
There's still at least one right under your nose.

[wave]

And, it would surprise you to know there are more than just me.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 12:04 AM
<---------------Here is the face of there ideology
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 21, 14 9:53 PM
People who care about this country vote in midterms. People who care about following a cult leader only vote in presidential elections.
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 21, 14 10:45 PM
Who is we ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 21, 14 10:13 PM
' In God We Trust " ~ 1956

"We, the People" ~ 1776

As someone who was raised Roman Catholic, I do think that in some ways religion has held back human development over the eons. BUT, there have always been people who are good BS detectors like Galileo, et al. Before the Periodic Table, there was Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and later Aether. Before the understanding of Earth's axis, rotation, and orbit there was polytheism to explain Nature and the seasons. Frankly, from what I ...more
Mar 22, 14 11:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sol Invictus!
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 21, 14 11:56 PM
Harm no one, take no s***.

Sounds like "good conscience" to me...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 9:55 AM
And to the Republic, for Which It Stands
By joe hampton (2975), southampton on Mar 22, 14 12:42 AM
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I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

~ Francis Bellamy
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 12:46 AM
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Oh yes I DO !

Do you really want to have this discussion again .

There is a very good reason that our Pledge of Allegiance refers to our country as a Republic and there is a very good reason that our Declaration of Independence and our constitution do not even mentioned the word "democracy".

You are under the false impression our form of government is a democracy, or representative democracy. This is of course completely untrue.

The Founders were extremely ...more
By joe hampton (2975), southampton on Mar 22, 14 2:38 PM
There is a reason why four colonies declared themselves a Commonwealth. How far we have fallen from the founding principles.

Joe, would it interest you to know that for the first century of our country's existence corporations were prohibited from participation in civic life? No donating to political campaigns, no influencing elections, no purpose other than to conduct their chartered purpose. People like Libertarians who are operating under the premise "One Dollar, One Vote" need not ...more
Mar 23, 14 12:05 AM appended by Mr. Z
A Republic this may be, but Democracy is it's foundation. Without Democracy, there would be no Republic.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 12:05 AM
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I also have to add that two centuries ago "democracy" meant direct democracy, not representative democracy.

There is a difference.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 12:43 AM
Who can be against a smaller, more efficient Federal Government? Doesn't everyone who actually pays federal income taxes feel that we are Taxed Enough Already??!!
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 22, 14 9:02 AM
to Captn America:

You're blathering again, propounding puerile misconstructions of Liberalism and Progressivism and even mistaking the origins of the Tea Party. I'd ask you to provide SOME credible authority for your balderdash but in the past this has only resulted in quotes from extremist Right-Wing propaganda sites or references as irrelevant to the subject as charity and compassion are to your ideology.

to Mr. Z:

Atheists surprise me. Considering our species' profound ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 22, 14 9:40 AM
If there is empirical evidence of "God", it has not been discovered. Is there something bigger than us? Sure there is. Look up in the sky every night and note the powerhouse factories of creation twinkling via the planet's atmosphere creating all the elements that compose us and our environment. Energy, matter, and fusion created all that you see with your naked eye. What brought it into being is the undiscovered answer, but for one to posit that one single being brought it into existence, watches ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 10:03 AM
It is critical thought, empirical evidence, and a belief that we have the potential to get off this floating mudball and explore the vastness of the universe which led me to such a conclusion.

However, if the laws of physics deem we cannot leave the solar system in vessels of our own design, then this planet would seem to be the perfect prison now wouldn't it? If you were designing one, making it escape proof would be first on the list.

Wonder is a beautiful concept. People should ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 10:28 AM
Hate, remorse, and regret were the primary drivers behind the psychopathic, self loathing, murdering Old Testament "God".

I guess once he had a kid, he settled down a bit...
Mar 22, 14 5:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." ~ Carleton Young as Maxwell Scott, "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" (1962)
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 5:43 PM
Relate to humankind?

More like retaliate.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 4:38 PM
Maybe you should ask Galileo about blasphemy, and the 363 years it took for him to be exonerated him for being right.

God is a human construct, and the Bible though based on a true story in many cases is not evidence.

When God shows up in person, maybe I'll change my mind. Until then, there is ZERO proof of the existence of such a being other than the anecdotal musings of a group of primitive people who had not the knowledge or ability to accept or understand the reality and function ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 7:54 PM
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Opinion?

Please, how many gods AND goddesses existed before modern monotheism? Why did this single god finally appear after millennia of other religions? If he is the one "true" god, how was this being not known of a hemisphere away for thousands of years? Why would he not reveal himself to all the "children" of his alleged creation? "Heathens" were murdered in his name across the New World, and genocide committed. Christianity is simply a cult that managed to survive into modern times. ...more
Mar 23, 14 9:58 PM appended by Mr. Z
And regarding a higher power, or state of being after this one, sure there is. But, nobody has proof of what it is, and NOBODY KNOWS they just like to act like they do. The BS and justification of intolerance, bigotry, murder and hatred in the name of "God" needs to stop.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 9:58 PM
The million dollar question really is:

What makes you right, and all these other religions wrong?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 23, 14 10:06 PM
The empirical evidence is that every religion before the current ones have failed, and their God(s) have not shown themselves to any but a scant few "believers". Working on the premise that you can't prove something doesn't exist is the premise of the Inquisition. That's not how proof works. Proof works via empirical data. There is empirical data the universe is almost 14 billion years old. There is empirical data that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old. There is empirical data that ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:22 AM
And what if energy condensing into matter is just how nature works, there is no single "Creator", and it really is that simple that we are just beings of energy inhabiting an organic shell?

You can go ahead and believe in "God" if you want to, but to me it is a waste of time to worship something which, if so advanced, wise, and transcended would most likely and logically not desire servitude or worship anyway.

As far as the "ghosts", we are working on the science and are closer ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 3:48 PM
Given time, with hard work and hard science the proof of what reality is shall come to light. Most likely even the proof of "non-existence". The current religions will go the same way as the hundreds of others beforehand as time marches on.

The main request I have of American society today is to keep religion out of civic life. It has no place there. Separation of Church, and State.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:34 PM
to Mr. Z;

Quote:

"[F]or one to posit that one single being brought it into existence, watches over you at all times, resides on another plane called "Heaven", and has an opposing former minion in the bowels of the planet (should that be where hell is) is downright ludicrous.
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If you construe the notion of god that narrowly, ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 22, 14 10:30 AM
Cary Huang created this great interactive called "The Scale of the Universe". You can zoom in, and out from our size to a Planck length out to the biggest stars and finally the observable universe. You should check it out. We must evolve, or we will perish.

If there is such an enlightened, or higher consciousness I would think that our conduct would incite great sadness and mortification in the very core of it's being. I would posit that such a being would abhor violence, strife, enmity, ...more
Mar 22, 14 10:49 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, it does seem apparent that most "believers" have such a constrained concept.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 22, 14 10:49 AM
A Costly Failed Experiment

The law's treatment of people is arbitrary and unfair. Its economic impact is only going to get worse.

By John C. Goodman
Updated March 21, 2014 7:20 p.m. ET

With Sunday marking the fourth anniversary of Obama Care being signed into law, it's worth revisiting the initial purpose of the president's signature legislation: Universal coverage was the main goal. Four years later, not even the White House pretends that this goal will be realized. ...more
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 22, 14 6:25 PM
No surprise that he is correct.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 14 12:36 AM
And pray tell Phil , what's wrong with health savings accounts?? Combined with a high deductible plan, it works , or more accurately, worked for a lot of people. I say worked because since the implementation of O care catastrophic policies have been declared illegal. "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan, period" Thanks Barry
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 23, 14 7:28 AM
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1- neither has O care
2- one knows that going in, it's not rationing by any means , c o- pays, prescription costs and out of network providers are all covered
3- no costs associated to the HSA my wife and I have had for the past 6 years
4-Anyone in their right mind can use the HSA to pay for "preventative care"
5- on the contrary, coupled with an inexpensive catastrophic care policy insurance is cheaper to purchase
6- please be specific when you back up this statement
7-nothing ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 23, 14 5:07 PM
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By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 14 8:11 PM
Playing victim? Please.
Mar 23, 14 10:11 PM appended by dnice
and it's "deep seeded" smart guy.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 14 10:11 PM
to dnice:

Quote:

"and it's 'deep seeded' smart guy."
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["ahem"] No, it's not.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 23, 14 10:40 PM
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LOL, is that all you got?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 14 10:40 PM
HHS, you are correct. My bad.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 23, 14 10:49 PM
French far-right triumphs in local polls that hammer ruling Socialists
Mar 24, 14 1:53 AM appended by They call me
Nate Silver of 538: GOP Has 60% Chance Of Taking The Senate In 2014 ESPN's FiveThirtyEight editor-in-chief Nate Silver examines the state of the 2014 Senate races. Silver predicts the Republican party has a 60% chance to take the Senate in 2014. Silver also says there is a 30% chance that the GOP can "win big." Silver says the Republican party has a 45% shot to take a Senate seat in Michigan, a 35% chance for a seat in Colorado and 30% for a...
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 24, 14 1:53 AM
to They call me:

“I think we are going to crush them [Tea Party candidates] everywhere,” Mr. McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, said in an interview ... I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.” - NY Times, March 8, 2014

Whatever the 2014 results, NONE of the new senators will be Tea Party members. That lunatic ideology is a spent force, thank god.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 24, 14 6:01 AM
HH: Standing for a smaller , more efficient government and lower taxes is a "lunatic ideology"? That's the crux of the problem in DC today.
Phill: Do YOU have an HSA? Have you spoken anyone who has? I have had an HSA for 5 years and fully funded it each year . We have more than enough to cover the high deductible on our catastrophic policy and have used it to pay for out of network providers when my wife suffered a medical emergency while on vacation this past February. FOR SOME PEOPLE AN ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 24, 14 7:48 AM
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The smaller government the Libertarian "Tea Party" stands for, since 1980; Abolish the:

Department of Energy
Environmental Protection Agency
Food and Drug Administration
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Federal Trade Commission
National Labor Relations Board
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Central Intelligence Agency
Federal Reserve
Social Security
Welfare
Public Schools
Taxation

For a lesson in Libertarian economics, ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 5:15 PM
Well, you see for the first 100 years of this country's existence corporations were very tightly regulated. Any corporation which caused public harm promptly had it's charter revoked.

The problem isn't the agency, or the government. The problem is people not executing their appointed tasks. Public, or private sector it matters not. The process is just a ripe for corruption if permitted. Humans still have the potential to be, and in far too many cases are incompetent.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:38 PM
In other news this week, the Republican Party plans to repeal the 1906 Antiquities Act and abolish the National Park system as we know it. No more new national parks, no more protected land, and plenty of oil drilling, spills, and pollution in what was once pristine wilderness.

These guys have got to go.
Mar 24, 14 8:22 AM appended by Mr. Z
You know what else the founders of this country were against? Generational wealth. The current Republican Party would also like to make sure that if you live off of inherited wealth, that you will do so tax free by eliminating taxes on interest, dividends, capital gains and estates. Yet again like their corporate overlords who buy their seats, totally un-American and against the founding principles of this country. Sounds a bit seditious from here...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 8:22 AM
They have already expressed the view that they want to drill and mine parkland. This is no more than a stepping stone to enable them to do so.

It's the big picture, not the small steps you should be worried about. Their motives have been made more than abundantly clear by their own volition.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:31 AM
How is it only a problem now? Now it's okay to have more government regulations, instead of less?

Oh, I forgot. It's the who is in the White House that's the problem. It's started to feel like Republibrats like to be told what to do when the People don't get what they support.

And for the record, I read about in the International Business Times. Maybe you should read their piece...
Mar 24, 14 3:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
"don't like to be told what to do by the POTUS when the People don't get what they support and he steps in."
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 3:33 PM
Pardon me while I laugh hysterically.

Bill Weise, alleged con artist, real estate scammer, and nightmare exaggerist. You're going to need something better than that snake oil.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:24 PM
You've go no heat. All religion has is anecdotes and fairy tales. Why didn't Apollonius of Tyana get his own book too? He could heal the sick, and according to Philostratus he too underwent heavenly assumption.

All you have is faith something which has never shown itself exists. That's not proof, it's hypothesis.
Mar 25, 14 11:42 PM appended by Mr. Z
The proof it does not exist, is that it has not tangibly shown itself to exist.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 25, 14 11:42 PM
It would seem you missed the stories from the Far East of a man who travelled there from the West with grievous wounds to his body.

Possibly just a coincidence, or was that sour wine drugged?

You must have missed out on the "swoon hypothesis"...
Mar 26, 14 11:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
In fact, none of the Gospel accounts match, and the absolute minimum estimation of when they were written is about thirty years ex post facto, and the last was about fifty years after the crucifixion. Lots of credibility there...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 26, 14 11:09 PM
to bigfresh:

I was referring to insane behavior like purposelessly shutting down the federal government, advocating default on the national debt, or (my favorite) "filibustering" for 21 hours without there being a vote pending to filibuster.

Mad or sane, they're over, regardless of the outcome in 2014. All America breathes a sigh of relief.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 24, 14 8:57 AM
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Or passing a bill to see whats in it?
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 24, 14 8:58 AM
Don't have much love for Pelosi, but pulling that card is disingenuous and a quote out of context, but it shows not only your intellectual mettle, but those who like it as well...
Mar 24, 14 11:34 AM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, can't wait to dig into Thomas Piketty's latest work. Looks like a thorough empirical study of our economic failure.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 11:34 AM
No help there.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 3:51 PM
"but it shows not only your intellectual mettle, but those who like it as well..."

I resemble that remark;)
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 24, 14 5:42 PM
P.S. I told you so.

Q
What are the risks from allowing an ever-increasing concentration of wealth and incomes? Is there a point when inequality becomes intolerable? Does history offer any lessons in this regard?

A.
U.S. inequality is now close to the levels of income concentration that prevailed in Europe around 1900-10. History suggests that this kind of inequality level is not only useless for growth, it can also lead to a capture of the political process by a tiny high-income ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 12:35 PM
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OK Mr Z what's your solution to this alleged "problem"?




By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 24, 14 3:44 PM
A progressive tax code, separation of corporation and state, and an egalitarian society which does not consider any type of labor "worthless" for starters. This country needs to be put back on the rails it went off of after the Civil War, and the 14th Amendment was bastardized and corrupted by greedy men and unlimited charter. The country needs to become the Republic it was intended to be, not the Oligarchy it has become. If you can't see there is a "problem", then you must not be as smart or ...more
Mar 25, 14 3:57 PM appended by Mr. Z
"it" being oligarchy and the throwing off of which (monarchy/corporate commingling) was one of the major reasons why this country was founded.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 24, 14 3:57 PM
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nǐ hǎo (or hello in Chinese) I recomend we all brush up since these fools are at it again,

Obama Seeking to Abolish Tomahawk, Hellfire Missile Programs
by Debra Heine 24 Mar 2014, 3:17 PM PDT

Obama is doing that thing again that he loves to do, "which is surrender whatever advantages the country has – whichever advantages, wherever we dominate...."

The president is seeking to cut two highly successful missile programs, which defense experts say have ...more
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 24, 14 10:53 PM
So, Chicken Little, do you really believe the sky is falling or do you just want everyone else to think the president is knocking it down? Please tell us if you understand why these missiles, which cost two million dollars apiece, are being discontinued or do your chicken hawk fear mongering websites not supply that information?

The Department of the Navy says they don't want any more; that we have plenty in our inventory to last for ten years. Did you know that R&D is getting underway ...more
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 24, 14 11:49 PM
Once production is halted if we need more of them were screwed, but like NASA it does not matter to you because we need more money for more free stuff to buy more votes.

I guess the writing is on the wall now isn't it

"The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) blasted statistician Nate Silver for giving Republicans a 66% chance to take back the Senate"

Phil and the rest of you have given Silver's election projections such credibility so this is most inconvenient
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 25, 14 10:22 AM
I continue to believe the Department of Defense is capable of adequate inventory control. They don't want any more! Why are you so intent on spending, spending, spending when we can save hundreds of millions by following the guidelines of those charged with our defense?

Did you really introduce a new topic just to slide in some irrelevancies about the battle of the pundits?

I also note that after spending well in excess of TEN BILLION dollars, not a single Tomahawk or Hellfire ...more
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 25, 14 2:24 PM
No comparable replacement for the tomahawk.
No comparable replacement for the A-10.
Nothing to replace the men and women in uniform after reduced to pre WWII levels
Reducing our nuclear armament stockpile
Reducing funding to Israeli missile defense
Scrapping the European missile defense plan
Sowing suspicion amongst allies while aiding, in MANY different ways, our greatest adversaries.

These actions amount to what is basically surrender before the war even starts ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 25, 14 5:33 PM
So you have no faith in the Navy understanding our needs as well as you? Ten billion and counting - that's a whole bunch of "tax and spend." Speaking of "every American's greatest responsibility" what have you and Dan done personally? Lipservice doesn't count.

We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 25, 14 11:30 PM
Yes we will need that ten billion to bail out the insurance industry in the next round of forced stimulus wont we?
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 26, 14 12:28 AM
Food for thought:

Our Hidden History of Corporations in the United States

When American colonists declared independence from England in 1776, they also freed themselves from control by English corporations that extracted their wealth and dominated trade. After fighting a revolution to end this exploitation, our country’s founders retained a healthy fear of corporate power and wisely limited corporations exclusively to a business role. Corporations were forbidden from attempting ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 25, 14 1:38 AM
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To They call me:

OPINIONS may vary but it is an incontestable FACT that there will be NO new Tea Partiers in the senate, making us all winners in the next election.
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 25, 14 8:05 AM
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The DSCC Can’t Have It Both Ways
7:47 AM By Nate Silver

There was a lot of discussion Monday about the rebuttal by the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) to FiveThirtyEight’s latest Senate forecast. That forecast identified the Republicans as more likely than not to take over the Senate.
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 25, 14 8:46 PM
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Moving along.........

Risen: Obama administration is this generation’s ‘greatest enemy of press freedom’

by Andrew Beaujon

Published Mar. 24, 2014 3:35 pm
Updated Mar. 25, 2014 11:05 am

“It won’t take me long to alienate everyone in the room,” Jeffrey Toobin told an audience in New York Friday. “For better or worse, it has been clear there is no journalistic privilege under the First Amendment.”

The ...more
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 25, 14 10:55 PM
No surprise here. Barry Soetoro is a wannabe dictator, this is just the latest attempt to seize as much power as possible, He decided to change portions of existing law by decree, bypassing congress on multiple occasions, for example.
Mr Z, how would you enact your ideas without violating the constitution? Thanks for your time.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 26, 14 1:13 PM
Every President has issued executive orders.

It's funny actually how so many people read the Constitution as if it were written today. The vernacular of the time, and the etymology of language since that has changed markedly.

Got anything better than idiotic Tea Party talking points?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 12:28 PM
It is pointless to debate religious belief by reasoned argument. On the other hand, it is ignorant to consider all religions to be pernicious. Christianity, for instance, has mitigated the psychopathic, predatory behavior that is the hallmark of our species whereas other religions simply give divine approbation to our instinctive baseness.

One wonders just how much more despicable Tea Partiers would act were it not for the fact that most of its members, raised in Christian households, ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 26, 14 6:34 PM
Negative views of President Obama have hit a new high, according to a poll.

The AP-GfK poll shows 59 percent of Americans now disapprove of Obama -- a point higher than the previous high set in December.

By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 26, 14 10:29 PM
And it because of crap like this,

Kathleen Sebelius: Obamacare Extension 'Is Not An Extension'

Embattled Health and Human Service Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Wednesday that the Obama administration's decision to extend the Obamacare open enrollment period is not, in fact, an extension.

Thans for clearing that up, What a joke!
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 26, 14 11:33 PM
SO, how about those "Job Creators"?


The 67 Richest Are as Wealthy as the World's Poorest 3.5 Billion

By: Kasia Moreno
Forbes
Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Oxfam International, a poverty fighting organization, made news at the World Economic Forum in Davos earlier this year with its report that the world’s 85 richest people own assets with the same value as those owned by the poorer half of the world’s population, or 3.5 billion people (including ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 26, 14 11:33 PM
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Take a step back and see the little people
They might be young,
but they're the ones that make the big people big
So listen as they whisper:
"What about me?"

~ "What About Me", Moving Pictures (1982)
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 27, 14 11:50 PM
Moving Pictures broke up back in 1987. They were never "worth millions". Most of their members went on to do session work for people who are worth millions like Elton John, and the Blues Brothers Band.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 9:14 AM
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By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 27, 14 4:50 PM
Still waiting on how you would remedy this "problem" without violating the US constitution, be specific please, thanks. Good for the wealthy, God bless them, may they get richer. They employ people , something that a poor man can't do, they own companies that produce goods that the rest of us use, they donate millions to charity , donate on a scale the rest of us can never do. I know you and I have been down this road before but your constant harping on "income inequality" comes off as jealousy ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 28, 14 6:47 AM
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You can't even accomplish the simple task of forum etiquette and post a "Reply" where it belongs, and we're supposed to take you seriously?

The basics I covered (which you obviously neglected to glean from the thread) is historical, pre-Civil War fact, and a progressive tax system does not violate the Constitution and existed for decades in this country. You truly are ignorant on a level which is staggering in the information age, and apparently your brain is pickled in Koch Tea.

People ...more
Mar 28, 14 7:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic, 1789-1815
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 28, 14 7:24 AM
You know what, I have meet the Koch's and I am growing tired of the anti capitalism rant. In my personal experience they are very nice people.

BF is right Z... It does come off as envy

If we went to a consumption tax you would be happy every time they built a house or bought a boat instead of... well you know.
By joe hampton (2975), southampton on Mar 28, 14 8:39 AM
No.

The problem is the way you are conditioned to think. Regardless of personality these men are poisoning our democracy with their wealth and power. Anybody can act nice to your face, and stab you in the back once it's turned in case you missed that lesson in this life. This isn't anti-capitalist. It's pro founders, pro revolution and about what this country was created to become. And corporate money influencing politics is about as UN-AMERICAN as it gets. They are WRONG, and so ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 28, 14 9:11 AM
Sorry Mr Z, I have been pretty busy working for the 1% of the 1% and haven't kept up with your version of forum etiquette . Besides asking for a progressive tax, you failed to produce any actual ways to deal with the "problem" of income inequality. Then, in typical leftist fashion you make a personal attack, no answers, just go into the attack mode, you can do better than this.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 28, 14 1:00 PM
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By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 2:38 AM
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By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 3:05 AM
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backed into a corner with no answer an ignorant man resorts to personal attacks and crude remarks, brilliant!
Not a caretaker but a horticulturist, gardens , roses, pots around the pool sort of thing, an entrepreneur , an employer. One who holds no ill will towards someone's success, an open mind willing to embrace those with different opinions and those occupying different rungs on the economic ladder. See Mr Z , that's where you and I differ, acceptance vs jealousy, the ability to be inspired ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 29, 14 7:29 AM
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Actually, just a little psych exam for you. The only crude thing I see is your ability to be that which you accuse (especially in your diction and grammar) just to gain any foothold you can in an attempt to discredit someone. You really have a psychological "Easy Button".

What you fail miserably to realize and glean from American History is that progressive taxation is an American original. People had a deep seated fear (and rightfully so) that this country was in danger of becoming ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 9:19 AM
Sell my principles?! Providing a service, creating jobs, providing for my family is selling my principles? You truly have a warped sense of right and wrong if you truly believe your own hype. Hard work is the way to succeed, try it sometime.
Mr Z It seems that your answer to the "problem " of income inequality is taxation. That's the only concrete idea that you have put forth. And where would this money go? To those who have less than the mega wealthy? Classic income re distribution , if that's ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 29, 14 10:08 AM
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Possibly our D- grad national infrastructure?

The numbers don't lie. We had more opportunity, more jobs, better stability, proper infrastructure, and more prosperity under a progressive income tax alongside a minimum 25% capital gains tax.

We are getting our a** kicked by the rest of the world when it comes to green energy, high speed rail, and income equality. Our Gini coefficient is pathetic, and our leaders for the most part are inept, with the occasional bright ray of sunshine. ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 6:14 PM
Unfortunately, those numbers don't lie. Apathy is as big a part of our problem. People are all too willing to let someone else fix the problem and the kick the can down the road mentality has us right where we are.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 14 6:59 PM
Just imagine high speed maglev trains paralleling the Eisenhower Interstate system. Not feasible for every mile of highway, but we're supposedly "The Greatest Country on Earth".

Maybe it's high time we proved it and show the world just how innovative, and creative "We" are.
Mar 30, 14 11:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
And for reference, the "free market" is only free to be manipulated by the company who pays legislators the most money to give them free reign over the market.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 11:41 PM
Get GOVERNMENT out of the way and let business do business. If there was a market for mag lev transport private industry would be rushing to fill the need. Imagine the government hoops to jump through and regulations put in place to satisfy different groups. I agree that mag lev would be a great travel option, our trips through Europe and the UK were made possible by a great rail system.
As to wealth transfer and income inequality, your stats may be correct, but a business earning money is ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 30, 14 8:26 AM
Bigfresh- I agree with your notion that the gov't has no right to take my money and waste it. It is proven the the gov't cannot be trusted to do the right thing. Entitlement programs are needed but the gov't is using them to secure their voting base. As far as let "business do business", well that is kind of what got us into trouble on Wall st. While I don't trust the gov't to do the right thing, I also don't trust the upper 1% to do the right thing by us either. They will both do what is in ...more
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 8:52 AM
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Public or private sector it matters not. The potential for corruption, nepotism, and malfeasance is ripe anywhere humans are involved. The moronic and idiotic demonization of government and authority is like a petulant toddler not wanting to be told what to do, or to share their toys under a roof they haven't earned. People of your caliber always want to enjoy the blanket of freedom provided by this country, but never want to pay for it and complain the whole way while never bothering to obtain ...more
Mar 30, 14 11:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
I might add that it is also the view of Libertarian aristocrats bent on the endeavor of being able to do whatever they want, which includes poisoning the environment without pause in the pursuit of "allowing business to do business".
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 11:56 AM
dnice:

Agreed. And, let's visit the history books a bit. Limited charter was a creation of the founders of this country. The men who created this Republic maintained a VERY tight leash on corporations and business in general. They were not permitted to influence lawmaking, PERIOD. There were no lobbyists, or "borers" as they were called just after the Civil War. There was ZERO acceptance of corporate involvement in civic life. The Libertarian view is a smokescreen, and undermines ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 12:18 PM
Either way you vote, it is not healthy to fall prey to attempts by politicians and their media to goad you into class warfare against your fellow citizens.
By KevinLuss (353), SH on Mar 28, 14 7:02 AM
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Railing against aristocracy, oligarchy, and income inequality is not "class warfare". It's an original, revolutionary American idea. In fact, "We" wouldn't be here without such ideas.

Learn some history.
Mar 28, 14 7:35 AM appended by Mr. Z
What one of the truly saddest thing about this country is that only once in 238 years has this country elected anyone other than a white male for President. No women, or any other male other than a Caucasian has occupied this nation's highest office. Not too much diversity, or progress in over two centuries wouldn't you say? Right now there are 19 world leaders who are women. The United States has NEVER had one. Solving any problem requires recognizing and accepting there is one. "We" are rife with them...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 28, 14 7:35 AM
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Z, probably gonna be a woman in charge soon.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 28, 14 7:54 AM
Long overdue in a country which has so boldly touted "equality".
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 28, 14 8:09 AM
Mr Z, The problem seems to be when you or Phil or HHS complain about this lack of diversity you assume fixing that problem comes along with your ideology.you need to seperate the two

I for one have no voting for anyone no matter what there race or gender.

As long as it was Condi Rice or Ben Carson.
Mar 28, 14 8:51 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
I for one have no problem voting for anyone no matter what there race or gender
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 28, 14 8:51 AM
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You are not this country all by yourself. There are over 350 million other people you are forgetting about.

My "ideology" comes from history, egalitarian values, teamwork, and hard work, not selfishness, bigotry, and baseless theology. Coincidentally, many of the things which were highly prized in the early years of the United States...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 28, 14 9:16 AM
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Mr. Z ( not philth) Did you see this ? If not please check it out on U Tube I am very curious what you got out of it.

Bill Maher used his Friday night HBO show Real Time to point out a blatant hypocrisy when it comes to racism in the United States. But in order to make his point, Maher had to mislead his panel of guests.

Maher read a recent quote from Paul Ryan about inner city men not valuing work that got Ryan accused of being racist, and two out of three of Maher's panelists ...more
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 29, 14 9:00 PM
I'd have to really say it's about context and vernacular. I lost pretty much all respect for Paul Ryan after Tom Morello gave him a whoopin' about being a Rage "fan". He stands for everything Rage protested against. Ryan in many ways is a jacka**.

I think Kamau Bell really hit the nail on the head regarding context, vernacular, and audience. And his statement right at the end had me LMAO mainly because of how true it is. The basis of having a working and thriving populace is education, ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 11:27 PM
Obamacare Navigators Helping People Enroll At Mexican Consulates

The Obama administration has been helping to facilitate a series of events nationwide at Mexican Consulate offices to enroll people in Obamacare – and a key activist says the efforts are “our responsibility” regardless of citizenship.

The press deleted this why? So I post it again!

And ask again whats up with this!
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 28, 14 8:14 AM
to 27dan:

Perhaps you were deleted under the new Dry Goods & News policy of censoring time-wasters?

Your silly and misleading post, drawn from the Right-Wing propaganda site, breitbart.com, suggests that the federal government is enrolling Mexicans, or, at least, undocumented aliens, in Affordable Care. That implication is, of course, completely false.

Your deceptive use of the word "responsibility", mimicking breitbart's, actually refers to organizers' efforts to EDUCATE ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 28, 14 9:26 AM
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and Hh is fine with that
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 28, 14 10:27 AM
to Captn America:

Your reply is stereotypical Right-Wing disingenuity. Every reader is capable of accessing the breitbart. com article entitled,

"Obamacare Navigators Helping People Enroll At Mexican Consulates",

and subtitled,

"The Obama administration has been helping to facilitate a series of events nationwide at Mexican Consulate offices to enroll people in Obamacare – and a key activist says the efforts are 'our responsibility' regardless of citizenship", ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 28, 14 10:37 AM
A stunning new CNN poll reveals that President Barack Obama's all-important "effective manager" rating has plunged 33 points since taking office.

Talk about a traveling road show of failure.



By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 28, 14 8:03 PM
"All-important" to whom?
By VOS (1022), WHB on Mar 28, 14 9:43 PM
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“I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.”

― Albert Einstein


A difficult lesson society has not learned.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 3:14 AM
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your a garbage man and we speak to you
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 29, 14 9:18 AM
Actually I would rather speak with you than Phil and i heard here he works at a school,

So maybe your right, I would be more polite to you than him on the street
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 29, 14 9:21 AM
Actually, I haven't been one for quite some time...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 29, 14 9:25 AM
Phil, Z's quote is about nobody above anyone else and you think UD should feel "prove lagged" that he speaks to him? Why don't you let posters(Z) speak for themselves?
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 14 4:30 PM
LOL, once again, right over your head Phil. My point is that if Z feels that we should treat each other as equals, why would he think that someone was below him? Why would he feel the need to lower his standards? My guess is that he doesn't. Just you trying to stir the "us against them" pot.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 29, 14 6:54 PM
I think It is clear we would all rather hang out with a garbage man who's hobby is reading Shakespeare

Rather than a twisted school consoler who's spends his free time trying to Organize on the net.

NX ~ THE RELENTLESS HARD HITTING ANTI-GOP BUSHCO AWARENESS TRUTH FORUM who belives "opposition to GWB and his neocon chickenhawk administration that has done all it could to cripple democracy and restrict the rights of our citezens while using their power to push an agenda of religious ...more
By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 29, 14 8:33 PM
Phil, she already knows.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 8:00 AM
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By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 30, 14 10:12 AM
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By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 30, 14 11:01 AM
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By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 1:13 PM
you ave been weighed, you have been measured.....
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 1:36 PM
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By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 1:56 PM
"A Knight's Tale"
Mar 30, 14 2:07 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Welcome to the New World. May God save you, if it is right that He should do so" ~ Heath Ledger as Sir William Thatcher
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 2:07 PM
Lol. Some posters are very tightly wound.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 2:08 PM
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Exactly Z!
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 2:09 PM
to Captn America:

As I have mentioned before, there seems to be no bottom to your unscrupulous behavior. Your snide insinuation that Mr. Z is a malingering swindler exceeds even your previous nadir of deplorable vileness. In the course of your appearance on this forum, you have transmogrified from a reasonable commentator to a malicious libeler. It's like watching the progress of a disfiguring disease.
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As ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 29, 14 11:07 AM
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By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 29, 14 8:36 PM
HHS is allowed to be offended, and I wasn't sure if I should be offended or laughing at first. And you'd be correct about pursuits in the IT arena.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 12:52 PM
(HUFFINGTONPOST) — Piers Morgan concluded his final CNN show Friday

A liberal-socialist and revisionist to the end. British "sensibilities" are why our colonial ancestors left the United Kingdom in the first place. Those misguided ideas and values emphatically do NOT need to be imported to our nation in the 21st Century. Goodbye, Piers, and do not hurry back. Try Canada, next time.
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 29, 14 9:07 PM
Hate ? No, just love of the constitution and the principals this republic was founded on
By 27dan (2190), Southampton on Mar 30, 14 1:12 AM
to Captn America:

My apologies. I didn't realize that your calling Mr. Z a malingering swindler was jocular badinage. For your clarification, however, my rebuke was by no means made in his defense (since he needs none) but is an expression of my own disgust at your ever-degenerating behavior. I suspect that Mr. Z himself would find it infra dig to comment.

Regarding the “Mexican consulate” article, you claim that Sen. Sessions' assertions are CLEAR and ACCURATE but ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 30, 14 1:57 AM
Some of you are professional spin doctors for this administration,

The disasterious effects of obama care, Benghazi, The snooping on journalists, and the lack of leadership shown on the invasion of Ukraine all reflect the full flowering of the policies of this armature.

obama owns the world he made, or more accurately, the world he tried to remake.
His chickens are coming home to roost, and what a mess they are making.
Mar 30, 14 10:51 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Nothing important has worked as promised, and there is every reason to believe the worst is yet to come. Americans have fear about his leadership and about where he is taking the country. After all, he has stated it is his belief...... " The U.S. should not necessarily be viewed as exceptional" ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 30, 14 10:51 AM
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By They call me (2213), southampton on Mar 30, 14 11:06 AM
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Hyperbole and BS have no value when it comes to truth.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 12:36 PM
Liberals strive for equality, not by allowing folks to raise themselves up, but by government dragging the successful down. There it is Phil, right out in the open for all to see, disprove it if you can.
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Mar 30, 14 11:11 AM
FUD, BS, and propaganda.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 11:37 PM
Its called redistribution of income the progressive way
By joe hampton (2975), southampton on Mar 30, 14 12:33 PM
Obviously the unfettered, unregulated capitalist way isn't working. Ask Greenspan about his "flaw" and how treating government as an adversary has worked out...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 12:47 PM
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“When all the trees have been cut down,
when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted,
when all the air is unsafe to breathe,
only then will you discover you cannot eat money.”

~ Cree Prophecy
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 1:00 PM
Oh come on now Joe, surly you cant be (as HHS would say) this mean after all don't you see this is necessary and for your own good.

Let’s say that you are a healthy, hardworking 54-year-old single adult living in Southampton earning $45,960 per year, the income level at which federal obamacare subsidies from your fellow taxpayers are no longer available to help you pay your monthly health insurance premiums. As a Southampton resident, you are permitted to choose from among 13 separate ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1574), southampton on Mar 30, 14 1:02 PM
Talk about hyperbole. Nice rant. Got anything else more detached from reality, or is that your next stand up routine at open mic night?

If you take home 350 a week after taxes, you realize that you clear $16,800 per year? If we built a better world instead of destroying it these problems wouldn't exist. Life isn't fair. Get used to it, right?
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 1:20 PM
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ud, wow!

i read that 3 times and passed it on to everyone on my email list. mr. z even liked it a little i think

tee he
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 30, 14 2:40 PM
Good Sunday reading:

Invisible world, invisible saviors: The secret to overcoming the threat of extinction

If we want to avoid the worst ecological catastrophes, we're going to have to begin thinking small. Very small.

Nicholas P. Money
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 1:09 PM
No time for reading Z the 1% will be here next week and they expect proposals to be in order and work to be underway... so lunch break is over, back to work for me an BF there will be plenty of time for reading next February under a palm tree after the 12 hour 7 day a week season is over.
By joe hampton (2975), southampton on Mar 30, 14 1:17 PM
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So, you are part of the problem.

"The most dangerous citizen, is an uninformed citizen."

Maybe you should strike a better balance between work, and the work it requires to be well informed before you take the time to post here. Admittedly I have the good fortune of being able to read rather quickly. I'm sure you do paperwork on Sundays, because I can't imagine you landscaping on a Sunday with the laws on the books...
Mar 30, 14 1:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also, please educate us on how working for ten months every day then taking sixty off makes you better than people who have one day off a week all year long? Unless of course your attitude is not one kin to some type of superiority complex...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 1:27 PM
Joe Youn should read more so you can be less dangerous, lol
By Erin 27 E (935), southampton on Mar 30, 14 3:07 PM





Since this thread is getting pretty long, maybe everyone should migrate over to post ON-TOPIC comments under this new article about funding for mental health services on the South Fork?

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/East-End/56220/State-Legislators-Hope-To-Secure-Money-For-Mental-Health-Services-On-South-Fork

Hah!



By PBR (4822), Southampton on Mar 30, 14 4:38 PM
I hear it will devolve into a debate about gun control.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 8:12 PM
Pb & j, always raining on our parade;)
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 8:48 PM
Ya know PBR, sometimes I can be a little slow. You suggesting we need mental help? lol
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 30, 14 8:52 PM
I thought it might be time for a "lurker roll call".

If you do read this thread, but don't post in it, please reply to this one. I think it would be interesting to know how many lurkers we have...
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 30, 14 9:00 PM
GOP Has Built-in Advantage In Fight For The House
AP by STEPHEN OHLEMACHER
Posted: 03/31/2014 12:50 am EDT Updated: 03/31/2014 12:59 am EDT

WASHINGTON (AP) — Even if Democrats recruit great candidates, raise gobs of money and run smart campaigns, they face an uphill fight to retake control of the House in this year's congressional elections, regardless of the political climate in November.

The reason? Republican strategists spent years developing a plan to take ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 2:07 AM
It gets even better:

Michael Lewis: “The stock market is rigged”

The financial journalist explores legalized front running in his newest book, "Flash Boys"

Summarized: Banks are “able to identify your desire to buy shares in Microsoft and buy them in front of you and sell them back to you at a higher price,” Lewis explained. “It all happens in infinitesimally small periods of time. There’s speed advantage that the faster traders have ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 10:58 AM
Darn those republicans. The dems would never stoop to something so underhanded.
By dnice (2034), Hampton Bays on Mar 31, 14 9:08 PM
For the most part, the majority of them have got to go. The level of corruption is not only systemic, but royally intolerable. Republicans are simply more blatant about it.

I've never claimed a party affiliation, and I probably never will.
Mar 31, 14 10:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street by Neil Barofsky
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 10:59 PM
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More "fun" from the "right wing" (who incidentally is SO wrong):

"If a woman has a right to an abortion, why shouldn't a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman?"

Rep. Lawrence Lockman, (R-Maine)


YES, he actually said this.
Apr 1, 14 11:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
“The American people could get better government out of monkey island in the local zoo." ~ Rep. John Dingell (D-Texas)
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 11:43 PM
to bigfresh:

Quote:

"Liberals strive for equality, not by allowing folks to raise themselves up, but by government dragging the successful down. There it is Phil, right out in the open for all to see, disprove it if you can."
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I see that you are a “Plan 9 from Outer Space” debater, as was the character in the final scene of that film who declared that everything that had gone ...more
By highhatsize (3363), East Quogue on Mar 31, 14 8:59 AM
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Let's see if BF can follow forum etiquette, or just keep starting new threads instead of responding to existing ones. That's not "my rules", it's the rules of most any forum in existence including the one I work for, and the one I volunteer at. It's harder to see through shattered glass, isn't it?
Apr 1, 14 9:56 AM appended by Mr. Z
"I have been pretty busy working... ...and haven't kept up with your version of forum etiquette" ***** Seems like a pattern with LIbertarians. Too "busy" to follow rules, and disregard them whenever it suits them so "business can conduct business", even if it means poisoning entire river ecosystems not once, not twice, but THREE times in less than six months, or spilling crude oil like they are vomiting at will. Someday you will wake up, and when you do "We" will be back to the egalitarian roots of this country's founding.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Mar 31, 14 9:56 AM
LOL!
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 1, 14 1:36 AM
Banks Have Become the Permanent Government of Europe

Shocking new deal pushed through by elites is a ticking time bomb for taxpayers and depositors.

by Ellen Brown (attorney, chairman of the Public Banking Institute)


For historical reference (don't forget to brush up on your Colonial vernacular):


"...historical facts which belong to the present, as well as future times. I doubt whether a single fact, known to the world, will carry as clear conviction ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 12:44 AM
"Rules" ? On a small town newspaper" web site? In the comments section? Way too much time on your hands if posting on a comment of yours 2 days later so offends your sensibilities. You have beaten the dead horse of EVIL CORPORATIONS to oblivion, we get it. You have preached an anti- business position ad nauseum, we get it. You have screeched about income inequality at every opportunity, we get it. Now , without violating the US Constitution, how . specifically , would change our great nation to ...more
By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Apr 2, 14 7:04 AM
Wrong on all counts. My point of view is not anti-business, but you're intellect apparently doesn't allow for you to see a Jeffersonian point of view.

You're not as perceptive as you think. And the "rules" are about common sense and logic. You'd be kicked off the forums where I work as a moderator, and the other where I volunteer. And, your profile title would be replaced with "I can't follow the rules" highlighted in red. Yes, despite your tantrum there are rules of decorum...
Apr 2, 14 4:39 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, nice double post.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 4:39 PM
P.S.

"Above all, the Jeffersonians were devoted to the principles of Republicanism, especially civic duty and opposition to privilege, aristocracy, and corruption."

Your "employers" are a self styled aristocracy, are they not?
Apr 2, 14 4:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
The Federalists were losers for the first forty or fifty years of this country's existence, and those who still hold their values are losers to this day regardless of whether or not they are "winning".
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 4:43 PM
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BF wants to talk "Constitutional"? Here ya' go:

“Corporations have no consciences, no beliefs, no feelings, no thoughts, no desires. Corporations help structure and facilitate the activities of human beings, to be sure, and their ‘personhood’ often serves as a useful legal fiction. But they are not themselves members of ‘We the People’ by whom and for whom our Constitution was established.”

~ Justice John Paul Stevens
Apr 2, 14 11:21 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, you don't know what the word means. The "Founding Fathers" would VEHEMENTLY disagree with Justice Anthony Kennedy, and Chief Justice Roberts. They kept corporations OUT OF CIVIC LIFE. Outright banned them, in fact. They did not grant them suffrage, or free speech. The historical facts beg to differ with our five justices who are bought and paid for.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 11:21 PM
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By bigfresh (3092), north sea on Apr 2, 14 7:05 AM
The McCutcheon decision is in. The "may the rich get richer" Federalists have gotten their wish. That awful sound you hear is the last nail in the coffin of democracy. Welcome to the Plutocracy.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 5:17 PM
Just in case anyone missed this. Things that make you go "hmmmmm....":

Rothschild owned Blackstone Group benefits from missing flight 370, becoming primary patent holder of new technology, reports say

In this bizarre case of the missing Malaysian airliner, one plus one is starting to equal two

By Shepard Ambellas


AUSTIN (INTELLIHUB) — New information, fact checked by Intellihub News, may shed some light on the missing Malaysian Airlines flight which ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 11:56 PM
Avoiding radar via “cloaking technology” has long been one of the objectives of the defense industry and Freescale has been active developing chips for military radar. In fact, they had just launched a new electronic warfare gadget for military radar systems five days before the disappearance of flight MH370. The Chinese are also very much into cloaking technology, as they have been touting in recent articles.
hmmmm
By loading... (525), quiogue on Apr 3, 14 1:31 AM
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Well, the high and mighty "Libertarians" strike again...


Wed Apr 09, 2014 at 10:23 AM PDT.

Guess who got Obamacare money? Of course it's the Kochs!

by Joan McCarterFollow .


Moocher.

Here's a fun question, posed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

"If the Affordable Care Act is so awful," Reid asked, "why did Koch Industries use it to their advantage?"

That's a rhetorical question, by the way. The answer is because they could ...more
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on Apr 9, 14 4:28 PM
That's ridiculous. The Koch brothers support free market organizations, they are primarily interested in protecting economic liberty for the next generation to enjoy and to provide maximum prosperity for everyone.

Some of the groups the Koch brothers donate too may attack Obamacare in the process, but that is unrelated. Many people have conflated the Koch brothers to donating to many things they do directly support -- for instance, restricting abortion. They donate to free market organizations. ...more
By DanElton (2), Queensbury, New York on May 6, 14 7:52 PM
So, "We" should applaud them using money to influence our government and lobby politicians, which is in DIRECT violation of a founding principal of this country?

When this country was founded, corporations were not permitted to influence politics, donate to political campaigns, or influence elections. They existed to conduct business, and were tightly regulated. The Koch brothers violate said founding principal on a regular basis, and historically speaking, it is UN-American behavior.
May 6, 14 9:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
Also historically speaking, I would have to call them Federalists, and in no way resembling Democratic-Republicans. The Federalists lost, and lost badly. Their party was dissolved. The Articles of Confederation were replaced for a reason. They failed. These men are no better than the Federalists of yore, IMHO.
By Mr. Z (9651), North Sea on May 6, 14 9:10 PM
Remnants, area rugs, rolls in stock