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Jul 19, 2017 10:41 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Defends Comments About Donald Trump Jr., Voices Concerns About Threats By Celebrities

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin
Jul 19, 2017 10:51 AM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin this week continued to defend Donald Trump Jr.’s decision to meet with Russian operatives last year during the presidential campaign, and stood firm on that position in a nationally televised interview last week, choosing to deflect discussion of that meeting by focusing on threats to the president made by celebrities like Madonna and Snoop Dogg.

On Monday, Mr. Zeldin, who sits on the U.S. House of Representative’s Foreign Relations Committee, said that while he remains concerned over President Donald Trump’s son’s meeting with Russian officials, he does not think it is a “smoking gun” proving that outside powers were trying to influence last year’s presidential elections.

Rather, the second-term Republican congressman from Shirley chalked up Donald Trump Jr.’s misstep to naiveté, as opposed to proof that the Trump campaign was guilty of collusion.

“I would sure hope that, in hindsight, that situation would have been handled differently,” he said. “Donald Trump Jr. has said, over the course of the past few days, that he would handle things differently.”

Mr. Zeldin added on Monday, “I am someone who doesn’t believe that any hostile foreign government, or any foreign government at all for that matter, should be meddling in American elections. I especially feel that way strongly when you look at certain countries like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran.”

His comments echoed his interview four days earlier with MSNBC’s Katy Tur.

In that interview, on Thursday, July 13, Mr. Zeldin appeared defensive, deflecting questions about Mr. Trump’s son’s meeting with Russian officials by instead focusing on threats made against the president by celebrities and others.

“Madonna is saying she wants to blow up the White House, Kathy Griffin holding up a decapitated head, Sean Penn saying he wants to assassinate the president, George Clooney saying he wants to punch him in the face, Shakespeare in the Park killing the president, Snoop Dogg filming a video shooting the president—this is all going on right now by an extreme that I have an issue with,” Mr. Zeldin said during last week’s interview on MSNBC.

“Much of the media is almost entirely focused on Russia and ignoring this actual violence and threats of violence against the president coming from the left,” Jennifer DiSiena, Mr. Zeldin’s director of communications, added this week.

Regarding Donald Trump Jr., Mr. Zeldin continued to defend his decision to meet with Russian officials, again insisting that there was no sinister intent when the president’s campaign’s appeared willing to accept Russian aid. “It was a moment in time when the way the stars were aligned, may not have been vetted the way that it should have, and there was not the right firewall in place to identify it amongst the team,” Mr. Zeldin said.

Similarly, Southampton Town Republican Committee Chairman Damon Hagan said he thinks many people and media outlets have opted to focus on the overblown Russian connections rather than the threats and actions of those on the left.

“If you look at the political climate created by the Democrats throughout the country, it’s very hostile toward Republicans in general,” Mr. Hagan said. “We’ve seen it through the congressional shooting to the somehow media-supported stance of several public figures. You’ve got Donald Trump’s head being disposed of by Kathy Griffin, you’ve got Snoop Dogg doing videos where they’re shooting Donald Trump, to actual violence happening from the left.”

Mr. Hagan was referring to the shooting that occurred on June 14 in Alexandria, Virginia, at the Republican congressional team’s baseball practice. U.S. Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana was shot and seriously wounded by left-wing activist James Hodgkinson, who was killed in a shootout with police. Four others were also wounded.

When pressed for his opinion on the email evidence that Donald Trump Jr. released, Mr. Hagan brought up the emails hacked by WikiLeaks during last year’s presidential campaign showing that then-CNN contributor Donna Brazile provided John Podesta, the former chair of the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign, with debate questions ahead of time.

“I think that [Donald Jr.’s emails] is a matter of the media trying to snowball something … Should he have taken the meeting? Probably not,” Mr. Hagan said. “He should not have. But at the same time, I have not seen the media go after the fact that all those emails released over the campaign were true and accurate. You have a Democrat Party that was actually cheating in the debates.”

Southampton Town Democratic Committee Chairman Gordon Herr, on the other hand, said he was appalled at what he sees as a lack of concern about the major and disturbing revelation.

“I watched Zeldin’s interview again, and it’s embarrassing to watch our congressman be so inarticulate about such an important issue,” Mr. Herr said. “He appears to have no real grasp as to the significance of the situation and continues to make excuses for the atrocious behavior of Trump, his family and his advisors.”

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Drain the swamp! Start with Zeldin.
By johnj (966), Westhampton on Jul 20, 17 10:14 AM
The Southampton Press... sinking to new depths one fake news story at a time. The only thing missing from this hit piece is a twitter quote from long time Donald Trump nemesis Rosie O'Donnell who tweeted - "shove ur fact pattern up ur a*s @XXXXXXX"... among other lovely nuggets.
Jul 20, 17 10:52 AM appended by Po Boy
THIS---->"But at the same time, I have not seen the media go after the fact that all those emails released over the campaign were true and accurate. You have a Democrat Party that was actually cheating in the debates.”
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 20, 17 10:52 AM
The only thing that's fake is the Trump wannabe.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 20, 17 11:21 AM
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What a moron! Just as dangerous as Trump!
By sokuhl (2), southampton on Jul 20, 17 11:10 AM
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Are there really that many like-minded idiots in this district that Zeldin has to continue a stance of support for trump and defense of the indefensible?
Or is he actually altogether fine with such an ignorant and dangerous horror? And to use rhetorical expressions of blowing up the White House versus an actual blowing up of a country and its reputation and influence in the world as some kind of moral equivalence is plain pitiful.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 20, 17 11:58 AM
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Gotta love the way the left is squeeling like a stuck pig! Thanks Lee!
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jul 20, 17 12:38 PM
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Zeldin disgraces himself daily. A Trump toadie who will defend the indefensible at our expense.
By Jolly Roger (25), Southampton on Jul 20, 17 1:26 PM
Lock him up!!!
By johnj (966), Westhampton on Jul 20, 17 2:56 PM
I dislike this ostrich as much as anyone but what exactly are we locking him up for?
By Pacman (241), Southampton on Jul 20, 17 3:25 PM
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Anyone who supports this administration is guilty of treason. Lock 'em all up!
By johnj (966), Westhampton on Jul 21, 17 8:29 AM
Naïveté? From a member of the Trump family? Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha. Both Donald Jr and Ivanka have gone to sites where "Trump" builders were selling condos. Both mingled with prospective clients and claimed to have bought condos in the development at pre-construction prices. This convinced others to buy condos in the project -- some people sold their homes and used their life savings to buy into the projects that were never built. When purchasers were left holding the (empty) bag, ...more
By btdt (435), water mill on Jul 20, 17 3:27 PM
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Apocryphal progressive B.S.

Election's over -- Trump and Zeldin won! Better luck next year, so stop whimpering, suck it up and figure out a more constructive path to follow.


By Frank Wheeler (1810), Northampton on Jul 20, 17 4:19 PM
What people are going to have to suck up is no help from the braggadocio orange cheetoh for their medical insurance. Remember he had a really great plan. Lower premiums and better coverage. So when your paying $20,000 to $24,000 for a family policy, remember it was better to alienate every Democrat in the process and not get anything constructive done. As a matter of fact, what has he got done except permission for coal mines to pollute streams. For your info, the biggest snowflake, whimpering, ...more
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 20, 17 7:24 PM
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Why should the government "help" anyone with their medical insurance? Does the term PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY mean anything to you? The Obamacare debacle should have taught you that heavy handed government takeover of the industry has led to skyrocketing premiums, higher deductibles and less coverage. The Obamacare option of Health Republic bit the dust as have most health exchange companies. Get the government the hell out of the way and let business do business.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jul 21, 17 6:00 AM
Sure.

Because medical costs weren't out of control beforehand.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 21, 17 7:08 AM
Because there have been double-digit increases since the 1990's. Business didn't get it done. Your fuhrer was going to make this all go away with his really great, great plan. Remember his campaign promise, that nobody on the right wanted particulars. Now the great "Art of the Deal," couldn't get it done with majorities in Congress. I would be sheepish and embarrassed if this was your comrade that you endorsed.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 21, 17 9:10 AM
6-months in... and it's, "remember his campaign promise".... LOL. It's interesting to see that the Left doesn't mind being lied to by leaders on the Left (Obamacare). Premiums and deductibles have skyrocketed under Obamacare. Exactly what "The Affordable Healthcare Act" was sold to fix... only it was a LIE. All of it!
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jul 21, 17 9:22 AM
This might sound crazy, but consider for a moment that some people may actually benefit from Obamacare.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (6204), KEW GARDENS HILLS on Jul 21, 17 12:57 PM
The great braggadocio was going to fix it all, remember! You voted for him based on that campaign promise, remember. He could have worked with the Democrats, thrown a small bone and it would have passed easily. He's said on inauguration day, he was going to be President for all the people. We all know he is too little a man for that. We also know he doesn't even understand any part of the healthcare his administration put forward. So now he plays politics with everyones healthcare. Bringing Obama ...more
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 21, 17 6:06 PM
Prices would have increased regardless. The wheel has been rolling for nearly forty years. M2 stands at 13.6 trillion dollars. It doesn't get any more supply and demand than the supply of money. Asset bubbles are nigh unavoidable when your treasury is debauching it's own currency.

Talk about naive.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 21, 17 9:08 PM
I've enjoyed Franks' candid comments on 27 East for years. Whether or not you or I agree with him is irrelevant. His real-world pragmatism is sound.
By elliot (246), sag harbor on Jul 25, 17 2:18 PM
"Putin has people killed, celebrities do not."
In the words of Michael Corleone, "Now who's being naive Kate?"
By fire11 (276), east hampton on Jul 20, 17 6:43 PM
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Stupid post from a deplorable.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 20, 17 7:27 PM
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Hey Lee, you voted twice for trump to keep his taxes private. Now that Mueller is looking into his taxes, trump wants to pardon himself, family and part of his administration. Is this what a patriot does?
You voted for the first trumpcare saying it would never go through the senate, NOW REPUBLICANS WANT TO JUST REPEAL SO 34 MILLION WILL HAVE NO HEALTHCARE!
Not a good strategy #ByeLee2018
By LI native (127), LI on Jul 21, 17 7:07 AM
Even Karl Rove stated he would have informed the FBI, instead of sitting down for a meeting with Russians. Not that Karl Rove ever had anything to do with election rigging or fraud.


Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix?

By Thom Hartmann and Sam Sacks


At around 11:25 pm EST on election night, Karl Rove knew something had gone terribly wrong.

Minutes earlier, Fox News called the key battleground state of Ohio for President Obama, sealing his re-election. ...more
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 21, 17 7:17 AM
A much more proximate example of Zeldin's incompetency as our representative came last Monday when President Trump announced that he would approve 15,000 additional temporary visas, but NONE for AGRICULTURAL workers as EAST END GROWERS had requested Congressman Zeldin to facilitate.*

There are two possible reasons for the president's exclusion - - - either he realizes that Zeldin is such an abject sycophant that he doesn't have to pay attention to him in order to insure his loyalty - - ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 21, 17 7:28 AM
If only it were all true hat - but your point is misleading as usual. Congress originally set the cap at 66,000 workers for the fiscal year ending Sept. 30 for H2B (non-agriculture workers). In May, lawmakers (thank you Mr. Zeldin just for you hat) gave DHS Secretary Kelly authority to approve up to an additional 70,000 temporary visas - again - for H2B. H2A visas for (agriculture workers) aka "EAST END GROWERS" ---->HAS NO CAP. Businesses can hire as they wish based on their needs when US workers ...more
Jul 21, 17 8:21 AM appended by Po Boy
...which brings us to a third possible reason for the president's exclusion Of "EAST END GROWERS", that being, vitriol has blinded you to the facts.
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 21, 17 8:21 AM
to Po Boy:

Are you a dance instructor is real life? Your two-stepping is quite remarkable.

As a matter of fact, the problem with the H-2A program (the farm laborer program), as laid out in the earlier Press article that I cited, is NOT that the cap on workers is too low, but that the restrictions and paperwork required to process visa applications are so onerous that the growers can't employ workers when they need them. While we are happy to see that it is at least possible for ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 21, 17 10:19 AM
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By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 21, 17 10:50 AM
As a matter of unfortunate fact hat, your original post as you wrote it focused on numbers of H2A visas - specifically “15,000 additional temporary visas, but NONE for AGRICULTURAL workers” and “president’s exclusion” - you intentionally and incorrectly played a numbers game as it relates to the H2A program.
Jul 24, 17 8:01 AM appended by Po Boy
Sure you cited the previous article at the bottom of your narrative, BUT, no where in that article are the numbers in the H2A program specifically referenced - that's all you... you conflated two points into one (raw numbers and the process itself) - which is why your original post attacking the president on number of H2A visas was misleading and why I offered a third possibility for the "president's exclusion" was pointed out - that being, your facts were incorrect about the H2A program.
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 24, 17 8:01 AM
to Po Boy:

Had you but read my cited reference before writing your reply, it would have been clear to you that I was comparing the effectiveness of other, energetic, federal legislators in acquiring more temporarily-visaed workers for THEIR constituents to the utter failure of The (Indifferent) Honorable Lee in acquiring more for HIS (despite his “promise” to take “action.”)

N-O-T-H-I-N-G has changed since he made that promise five months ago, and, with ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 25, 17 9:37 AM
That's NOT what you stated hat (conflating one issue with the other), and I responded to what you wrote. You wrote on the sheer number of H2A visas, incorrectly applied a correlation to the lack of a cap on H2A (agriculture and what you wrote) and cap on H2B (non-agriculture to what you cited) and THEN castigated the president for not including an increase to visa numbers (to which there is no cap for H2A - "EAST END GROWERS" as you referred to them) and then our good Congressman for not doing anything ...more
Jul 25, 17 11:49 AM appended by Po Boy
It's interesting to note that the very "problem” you rail against existed during Mr. Zeldin’s processors 12 year reign. I’m beginning to see a pattern however. You seem to want Mr. Zeldin to fix everything in months, that Tim Bishop couldn’t fix or chose not to address, over the course of 12 years.
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 25, 17 11:49 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"That's NOT what you stated hat (conflating one issue with the other), and I responded to what you wrote." - Po Boy
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"YES", it is and, "NO", you didn't. Here's what I ACTUALLY wrote:
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"A much more proximate example of Zeldin's incompetency as our representative came last Monday when President Trump announced that he would approve 15,000 additional temporary visas, but NONE for AGRICULTURAL ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 25, 17 3:06 PM
But alas, the citation to which is old and well read when it was originally posted doesn't have a lick to do with the sheer number of H2A visas for "EAST END GROWERS." The linkage in your original post to the president's adding of visa's and as you now assert, was to H2B visas - NOT H2A. This is why your post was pointed out as misleading. Own it.

Finally, a simple search on "agriculture labor shortage on Long Island" will provide ample documentation that certain groups have been making ...more
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 26, 17 8:29 AM
Let the liberal hatred flow, Lee. Trump is the pied-piper of liberal intolerance and violent hate. He is bringing it all into the light of day so everyone can see what we have known for eons.
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jul 21, 17 8:34 AM
34 million will lose their health insurance when zobamacare is repealed? Bull spit! They can pay there own way like the rest of us do!
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jul 21, 17 11:09 AM
Um...I have Obamacare..I pay $750 per month for a single person policy. I choose it because I am not tied to a policy controlled by my employer. An option that would not exist without Obamacare.

I don't mind people standing up for what they believe. I admit I don't know everything nor have I lived other people's experiences. I do mind hypocrisy and ignorance. It helps no one. I also hate condescension and just flat out meanness. But that's just me.
By kkelly75 (27), Hampton Bays on Jul 21, 17 1:38 PM
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Trump Just Announced His Long Summer Vacation
BY ROBERT HAFFEY
POLITICS | PUBLISHED ON JULY 21, 2017


Poor baby Donnie. The president is exhausted, having worked hard for six months to ban Muslims from entering the United States, fail to pass legislation to strip healthcare from 22 million Americans, attack the free press, and canoodle with the enemy.

It makes sense that after having worked his tiny little orange fingers to the bone trying to destroy the United States, ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 21, 17 4:35 PM
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I'm never going to leave the White House. I'm going to be working day and night for my deplorables. Another lie for his sap supporters to suck up.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 21, 17 6:08 PM
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Well, this happened:

Billionaire Florida donor rails against Trump
By Matt Dixon

TALLAHASSEE — Billionaire health care mogul and former GOP megadonor Mike Fernandez has harsh words for Republicans who don't stand up to President Donald Trump.

“All the Republicans who hide behind the flag and hide behind the church, they don’t have the f------ balls to do what it takes,” Fernandez told POLITICO Florida in a telephone interview on Thursday.

Fernandez, ...more
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 21, 17 10:00 PM
"Sean Hannity: 'I am proud to accept this award.' *award withdrawn* 'Awards are stupid and petty, I certainly don't want one'. William F. Buckley he ain't.



Sean Hannity melts down in humiliation after conservative group rescinds his ‘Media Excellence’ award



By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 21, 17 9:41 PM
Hannity is a propagandist, and thankfully there are conservatives who recognize the difference between that and journalism.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 23, 17 2:06 PM
JuneZ, you and the rest of the let wing CNN worshiping tools here wouldn't recognize real journalism if it jumped up and bit you in the ass.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jul 23, 17 4:56 PM
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Hannity is State-run journalism similar to your communist comrades in Russia and North Korea. It's not really good that you know how someone is going to respond on any issue that arises before they even utter a word.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 23, 17 5:19 PM
College drop-out conspiracy theorist obscenely paid pumpers do not qualify as journalists, Skippy.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 23, 17 7:12 PM
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By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 23, 17 8:27 PM
Thank the lord for Sean Hannity
By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 24, 17 10:29 PM
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By wmdwjr (76), east hampton on Jul 21, 17 11:59 PM
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By Frank Wheeler (1810), Northampton on Jul 22, 17 2:46 AM
More red ink Plllease we are all big boys and girls and can take the sticks and stones
By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 24, 17 10:28 PM
"Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, says President Donald Trump needs to "step back" and not comment on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. Angry tweet about her looks in 3...2...1"
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 24, 17 11:23 PM
Trump's correct if Sessions doesn't get with the program & investigate Clinton Crime Family he should resign or be fired! Sessions caved to MSM & Dems=Witch Hunt!

Clinton=SPECTRE Special Executive for Corruption,Terrorism, Revenge & Extortion! Sessions screwed up on the recusal, that's over, but he could and should be going after democrat corruption - there is plenty to go after!

Dereliction of duty is a good reason to fire someone, Bring in Cruz !
By They call me (2645), southampton on Jul 25, 17 8:57 AM
They call me: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 11:09 AM
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By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Jul 26, 17 9:28 PM
“It harkens back to the notion of a banana republic,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said of what he called Trump’s “inappropriate” calls for investigations into Clinton. “It’s what dictators do, they look to punish their enemies.”

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a Senate Intelligence Committee member, noted that Clinton’s missing emails as secretary of state were investigated by the FBI. As a result, he said, there appears to be no need to ...more
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Jul 26, 17 9:44 PM
Bay Area ISIS Supporter Wanted to 'Redefine Terror,' Kill 10,000
BY PATRICK POOLE JULY 25, 2017 CHAT 4 COMMENTS
A 22-year-old man from Oakland, California, man was indicted Friday on charges related to material support for ISIS.

His case represents the 130th ISIS-related arrest in the U.S. since March 2014.

According to the Justice Department, Amer Sinan Alhaggagi opened up social media accounts on behalf of ISIS and was willing to commit a suicide bombing.

Even ...more
By They call me (2645), southampton on Jul 25, 17 8:39 AM
Wonder if the congressman will defend the atrocity committed by his idol at the Boy Scout Jamboree?

A Scout Is...
TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.
LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.
HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.
FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 25, 17 9:20 PM
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Congratulations June B, that will earn you 50 Demerit badges. The (Boy) Scouting oath will send liberals into a frenzy on the best of days.... Boy Scout Oath or Promise. On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Add Trump and misandry and it's a predictable reaction.

By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jul 26, 17 11:45 AM
Where to begin with such stupidity? Pointing out that trump possesses none of the positive attributes aspired and pledged to by boy scouts equals hatred of males and "predictable reaction" ?
I repeat, better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
Any president who spoke to boy scouts in the manner of trump would be hounded out of office. We have normalized abomination, and you, who can't defend the indefensible and who instead attack those who are horrified ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 12:45 PM
Where to begin? I started with Congratulations June B... are you suggesting for a simple example, the president who doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't keep his body and mind fit and clean...? 40,000 boy scouts were chanting "We Love Trump!", while booing Barack Obama. LOL the reaction to it all is too funny.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jul 26, 17 1:25 PM
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You're right about one thing---he doesn't keep his mind clean, and it sure isn't "fit". Talking to 10 year-olds about sex on a yacht? That sure is who I'd want my kid to be "loving".
Idiocy cannot be fixed.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 5:48 PM
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By They call me (2645), southampton on Jul 26, 17 5:55 PM
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Let's see how far Mr. Dumbass gets with this discrimination.
And what does he propose re: the thousands currently serving? Third, Mr. Dumbass says transgenders cannot serve in any capacity. Do tell us what kind of blood and dying there is in an office, or a laboratory, or behind a computer screen?

In 2016, 18 countries allowed transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, according to the RAND report.

For their report, the researchers focused specifically on ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 6:41 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Jul 26, 17 6:02 PM
Tammy Duckworth just said she didn't give a flying fig about the gender identity of the soldiers who rescued her when her plane went down. Good thing, because sure as sin, there wouldn't have been anyone in sight named trump.
Jul 26, 17 7:05 PM appended by June Bug
Meant to say helicopter.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 7:05 PM
This edict was issued without any consultation with the military. Mr. Power Drunk Autocrat just took it upon his dumbass self. Christ almighty, even General Mattis is fine with current policy.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 7:44 PM
A jackass can kick a barn down, but it takes a carpenter to build one.

~ Sam Rayburn

Methinks Rayburn would call Trump a jackass.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 26, 17 9:18 PM
Or Obama .....
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 6:21 AM
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By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 26, 17 6:09 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Jul 26, 17 6:22 PM
Someone who laughably thinks President Obama is a Muslim and trump is a Christian now is worked up over a policy in Australia???? A correct policy unless in a theocratic state, fyi.

By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 7:42 PM
Photon torpedoes. And, Sulu was the navigator a.k.a. pilot and normally did not fire weapons. That is up to the tactical officer.

You can't even get an insult right.
Jul 26, 17 9:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
And yes, as Chief Helmsman Sulu can fire phasers. However, it's normally Chekov's job. Chekov handles weapons in the first flick for a reason in the wormhole.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 26, 17 9:16 PM
But they ARE June !!!!
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 6:20 AM
Sturgis: With Christians like that, the devil can retire.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 17 1:20 PM
Ha, Mr. Crowd Size just can't catch a break. He had 8,000 in Ohio last night. Michelle Obama had 8,500 in Colorado. And her attendees were charged admission.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 17 7:49 PM
I suppose it is of no consequence the Covelli Center where the president spoke has a capacity of 6,000. Sounds like 2,000 were on the floor which makes it busting at the seams filled. Now, the Pepsi Center in Denver has a capacity of about 18,000... sounds like a lot of empty seats for Michelle. But, her arms looked fabulous. God Bless the President!
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 10:56 AM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz Must Testify Before Congress on IT Staffer, what a mess is going on here ,, and the blame the russian team of wasserman and clinton looks like its having a credibility issue ,, and they found out and concocted this entire russian crap as a cover story,, but they failed at this cover up as well,, gettem now!I can't wait. I've been praying for the moment that the left finally meet justice. Please Lord, let it be soon.
By They call me (2645), southampton on Jul 27, 17 1:05 AM
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JuneZ, your rants prove beyond a doubt that liberals are , first and foremost, anti American.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jul 27, 17 6:24 AM
To bigfresh and Error 27 East : You are aware that Jesus was a liberal, right?
Instead of demonstrating the extent to which you've fallen prey to the paid, imperialist RW propagandists by hurling epithets, how about you list specific examples of what you view as my "anti-Americanism"?
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 17 12:10 PM
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By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 9:22 PM
to Po Boy:

To reiterate, your specious critique simply indicates that you didn't read my illustrative citation before penning your comment. (I note that you haven't denied it.) Nevertheless, in response, I have further explicated the obvious comparison between effective constituent service and that afforded us by The Honorable Lee. Readers can judge for themselves whether your criticism is germane or simply an effort to disguise your dialectical negligence.

Furthermore, the article ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 27, 17 10:08 AM
Simply incorrect hat and I'll point you to one line from my citiation... "For years farmers and their supporters have looked to immigration reform as the solution to the labor shortage problem". The point now reiterated showing the long standing problem ("For Years" subtracted 2014 the date of the article=Tim Bishop incompetence using your standard), I'll further reiterate the point there is simply no cap on H2A visas to which you used to attack both the president and our good congressman, so that ...more
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 27, 17 10:44 AM
Serve in a office or back base facility not a problem / serve on the front line disruptive and a big problem
Jul 27, 17 11:24 AM appended by They call me
OMG S H press, really all that red ink was not justified. We are still entitled to hold an objective opinion that we do not need this kind of P C disruption on the battle field do to the way the military needs to function this is not a snow flake collage campus It seems the new moderator you have hired has some strong partisan opinions? Did you hire Phil
By They call me (2645), southampton on Jul 27, 17 11:24 AM
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By Erin 27 E (1186), hampton bays on Jul 27, 17 11:35 AM
to Po Boy:

You have reverted to your old habit of repeating assertions that have already been rebutted. Moreover, you have once again avoided answering the question of whether or not you read the citation illustrating my point before you wrote your ignorant reply. Again, all the arguments appear above. Readers my peruse them if they so choose. I know from our prior discussions that if I address your duplicative argument here with a duplicative rebuttal, you will react by RE-deplicating ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 27, 17 12:13 PM
Nice shine you tried to put on the trans thing Hi Hat

I think what everyone has been trying to make clear is the subject is highly debatable and the front line is not the place for a social experiment of any kind.

If somthing is disruptive in a dangerous environment it needs to go ! That is all no other debate is necessary!

There are many resons that the military turns people down

(1) AWOL/Desertion.

(2) Courts Martial convictions.

(3) Concealment ...more
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 27, 17 12:29 PM
Transgenders make up less than 0.3% of the Armed Forces. This was a purely spiteful and mean-spirited move to titillate his base of Neanderthals such as yourself
By johnj (966), Westhampton on Jul 27, 17 12:43 PM
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The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has just announced there will be no changes in current military policy, and await clarification of the president's tweets, and received by the Department of Defense there will be no such implementation.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 17 12:56 PM
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Leggo my Eggo hat... I'm repeating my rebuttal to your assertions to re-rebutt your re-reassertions. You asserted there is a cap on H2A visas, I rebutted. You re-reasserted... I re-rebutted. Simply put, there is not a cap on H2A visas. We could end it there, that is, unless you re-re-re-re-re-reassert the misleading assertion.

Ho-hum re: the August 24 citation and merely FAKE NEWS – to use your very own words – “…Every program of this sort is subject to modification ...more
Jul 27, 17 12:59 PM appended by Po Boy
And just seeing your June 19 post on another thread hat, stating "but NOT A ONE for the farm workers that local farmers asked for"... as if there was ANY DOUBT about the incorrect and misleading nature of your post in relation to H2A agriculture visa that have now been shown to have no cap. And you wonder why I reassert? Pleeeezzze....
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 27, 17 12:59 PM
Also the golf and tennis player with bone spurs!
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 9:20 PM
Just watched

Scaramucci: The President And I Have A Very Good Idea Of Who The High-Level Leakers Are In The White House on Real Clear Politics

Awesome Scaramucci is a sharp guy and a welcomed member of this administration.

Drain The Swamp
By joe hampton (3323), The Hamptons on Jul 27, 17 12:19 PM
Already a national embarrassment, way over his head. Nice interview with Chris Cuomo. Showed what a classless jerk he is. Nice language in interview with New Yorker. Won't last six months, already spinning out of control. Just a game of Celebrity Apprentice with our Government. Your fired is coming soon.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 27, 17 9:18 PM
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Hillary Clinton’s New Book/Campaign Post-Mortem Will Be Called ‘What Happened’This book only needs one page, with a seven word sentence.....

"I sucked as a candidate, and lost."

Anything more is going to be useless and unbelievable.
By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Jul 27, 17 2:35 PM
Chapter 1: BleachBit
Chapter 2: Hammers
Chapter 3. Muslim Brotherhood
Chapter 4: Orgy Island
Chapter 5: How I Want 500% More Muslims When They Are Burning Down Europe.
Chapter 6- How I lost my shoe getting dragged into the Scuby Van
Chapter 7 Seth Rich
Chapter 8 pizza gate
Chapter 9 What really happened to Vince Foster
Chapter 10 But I'm not bitter.
Chapter 11. The Perils of Cold Starbucks drinks!
Chapter 12 Deflection & rules for Radicals
Chapter ...more
By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 27, 17 2:50 PM
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The campaign to discredit and disrespect a female powerhouse and threat worked beyond all indecency. The most investigated public servant in our history never found guilty of anything, and the most prepared candidate ever to seek the presidency is derided by those who achieved nothing close to her accomplishments, and who couldn't shine her shoes. At all costs, there must not be a female head of government. (You know, the government presently in record disarray and dysfunction.)
And in the ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 17 5:12 PM
someday we will have a female president but one with character and morals i wish condoleezza would run in 2024
By Erin 27 E (1186), hampton bays on Jul 27, 17 9:02 PM
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trump cultist Error 27 E is now insisting on "character and morals"? Now there's a good one!
I always admired the morality of a woman who spun her way through her 9/11 Commission testimony, and who banged the drum for America's biggest historical blunder with her mushroom cloud crap.
Now she's of the opinion that trump represents American values and has the interests of America at heart. It is to laugh. In league with "America Firster" trump despite being in the (opposite) pro-global ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 17 1:38 PM
The GOP supported the last three minimum wage hikes.
Because of inflation, the most recent one ($7.25/hr. set in '09) is now worth only $6.38/hr. That is a 12% real wage cut that puts downward pressure on wages up to about $15/hr., which in turn reduces income tax revenues.
A year ago, trump said, "I think people should get more", and called for a $10/hr. minimum wage. And right after Inauguration Day, he signed executive orders that help federal contractors LOWER wages.
MAGA, ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 27, 17 5:28 PM
June. Bug.keep hammering away at the motley mob of knuckleheads who actually believe President-Dump is the answer to our country s problems. He is a dangerous dimwit who has no clue how to run anything but his foul mouth. Unlikable as a private citizen, detestable as a Present.
By country joe (41), sag harbor on Jul 27, 17 8:16 PM
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Ditch bum very good you made my night
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 27, 17 9:59 PM
Healthcare bill down in flames.

Dysfunction growing by the hour.

Wonder how the Bully-in-Chief will react?

Another childish temper tantrum probably, and his supporters will follow suit.

Very predictable.

Very boring.

Make America Great Again.

Dump Trump.

By PBR (4906), Southampton on Jul 28, 17 7:18 AM
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Let ObamaCare Implode
Jul 28, 17 8:23 AM appended by 27dan
"I sadly feel a great many Americans will feel betrayed, that they were lied to, and that sentiment will not be unjustified. You cannot campaign against Obamacare and then vote for Obamacare," Republican Senator Ted Cruz said early Friday.
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 17 8:23 AM
And what's he coming to Suffolk County for?? To add fuel to the already racist hate-filled gang. Trump is a man who retreats to violence and bullying anytime he gets his feelings hurt. This is not a man. He is physically a full grown person whose brain never matured into a responsible, compassionate, strong man. He has NONE of those attributes. He's trans-aged . Also, he's a coward filled with shame.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 17 11:10 AM
Well June , how would you deal with MS13 ? Also can you explain why HRC took millions of dollars from regimes that subjugate women and toss homosexuals off rooftops? Is it because she's a strong powerful woman ? I'm confused....
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Jul 29, 17 11:41 AM
Karma is a b.... . I don't like soldiers who get captured. Trump got schooled in politics in one of the biggest issues facing Americans. The ignoramus who said he had a really great plan, and right-wing nuts who didn't press him for details, you are getting what you deserve. What happened to the "The Art of the Deal," ,he's such a great businessman! Aren't you convinced yet, that he is a fraud and incompetent. Don't worry you right-wing nuts, stupid is as stupid does. Trump is still making Making ...more
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 28, 17 10:10 AM
to Po Boy:

["sigh"] Had you but been diligent - - - had you but read the illustrative and clarifying citation that I included with my comment, we wouldn't all have been subjected (for days) to the bewildering fandango of self-justification of your incomprehension which you have danced for us.

Why can you not simply admit, "I didn't read it. My bad.", and we can move on to discussions that aren't born of ego.

One last time - - - I compared the result of effective, responsive ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 28, 17 10:57 AM
Hat, please refrain from gravitating into the abyss for the sake of us all, focus my friend. So, one more time, to your one more time....There is no cap on H2A agricultural workers (we agree). "but NOT A ONE for the farm workers that local farmers asked The Honorable Lee to arrange." is moot, misleading, and factually inaccurate for no where in the aforementioned article is sheer number mentioned NOR indicated as "the problem". Of course there is "NOT A ONE".... it's a bottomless pit if it can be ...more
Jul 28, 17 1:43 PM appended by Po Boy
Please show me where this is stated in your original post? Heck... anywhere in this discussion. "I compared the result of effective, responsive efforts of congressmen from OTHER districts in securing more visaed workers for THEIR constituents" because the original point of your original post is all I've really focused on in this little sand box discussion. AGAIN - factually inaccurate and misleading for your original point was, and I quote "EAST END GROWERS."
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 28, 17 1:43 PM
to Po Boy:

["sigh"] Hopeless.

Rather than admit that your entire tortuous, multi-segmented screed is but an attempt to conceal the fact that you neglected to read the illustrative citation and, therefore, utterly misunderstood the intent of the post, it is quite evident that you intend to carry on with these tediously logorrheic, self-justifying rationalizations of your misconception until the sun dies.

I will spare the reader further pain.

By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 28, 17 2:45 PM
Hat, your initial statement "but NONE for AGRICULTURAL workers as EAST END GROWERS had requested Congressman Zeldin to facilitate.*" is not only misleading, it doesn't even accurately reflect the content of your own citation which focused on alleged "logjam" of visas... not numbers in existence. You've conflated two, no three issues (number of visas, content and conflation of H2A and H2B specifics), likely fueled by ideologue vitriol, and rather than focus on the facts as you presented them and ...more
Jul 31, 17 8:31 AM appended by Po Boy
So rather than continue the blame game charade to obscure your oversight of the facts, simply acknowledge the complexity of the issue as evident by Tim Bishop in 12 years being unable to resolve the very same problem since it is either A) complex and tied to a change in immigration law of a resulte of B) Bishops malfeasance, or C) you simple got it wrong.
By Po Boy (3869), Water Mill on Jul 31, 17 8:31 AM
From Twitter following trump's outrageous performance at Suffolk Community College today:
Suffolk County PD‏ Verified account
@SCPDHq

As a department, we do not and will not tolerate roughing up of prisoners.
1:53 PM - 28 Jul 2017
Jul 28, 17 7:44 PM appended by June Bug
Inside one week the Boy Scouts and the Suffolk County PD have both had to apologize for/and disassociate from the words of the president of the United States.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 28, 17 7:44 PM
to Sturgis:

Quote:

"[C]an you explain why HRC took millions of dollars from regimes that subjugate women and toss homosexuals off rooftops? Is it because she's a strong powerful woman ? I'm confused...."
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Your confusion is simply and directly allayed, Sturgis - - - your statement is an incendiary lie (the Far-Right's favorite kind!) It was falsely alleged by Trump publicist Kellyanne Conway in the morning of October of 2016 @ 10:30 ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 29, 17 12:28 PM
and you always defend the biggest creeps you can find
By Erin 27 E (1186), hampton bays on Jul 31, 17 8:59 PM
Trump is a pretty hefty creep.

"Grab them by the p****."
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Aug 1, 17 5:32 AM
To HHS or am I talking to June ??
Nope you're wrong. The regimes that subjugate women and throw homosexuals off of roof tops and donated millions to Clinton are indeed those "moderate" Muslims. But nice try.

By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Jul 29, 17 11:15 PM
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to Sturgis (& jr.):

Quote:

"Nope you're wrong. The regimes that subjugate women and throw homosexuals off of roof tops and donated millions to Clinton are indeed those "moderate" Muslims. But nice try."
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As I have just noted, and as the quoted text attests, when YOUR name (or jr.'s) is appended to a comment, readers can be certain that every word that precedes it is a lie.


(Vide supra "Do Clinton donors 'throw gays ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 30, 17 10:56 AM
Oooh what a witty comeback. But no , I'm not lying...nice try though June or HHS .....
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Jul 30, 17 8:20 PM
Stop the presses!
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Scaramucci OUT!
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You can't make this stuff up!
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Bully-in-Chief Self-Destruction!
By PBR (4906), Southampton on Jul 31, 17 3:10 PM
But I hire the best people!

The Deplorable-in-Chief's locker room talk OK, but not the Mooch's?

Not enough superlatives or hyperbole for this s*^tshow.
Jul 31, 17 4:15 PM appended by June Bug
Any wagers on who's next? Or how long before his Saturday Night Massacre?
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 31, 17 4:15 PM
Poor Antonio.

"The course of true love never did run smooth"*

The Donald is untrue.



* "A Midsummer Night's Dream" (William Shakespeare)
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 31, 17 7:38 PM
He's just vetting candidates. Even if it takes four years, he'll find the right one for him...
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jul 31, 17 8:11 PM
He can vet until kingdom come. There is no "right one" for a wrong one.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 31, 17 8:53 PM
Trump put this guy in as a 1 time hand grenade and it worked like a charm!

Mission accomplished.
By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 31, 17 8:57 PM
don't under estimate president trump. at the end of the day he alway proves he is the smartest strategist in the room. he is getting rid of the left over moles one by one.

now we need to get rid of mc cain and lying ryan

thank you sir for battling to making our country great again
By Erin 27 E (1186), hampton bays on Jul 31, 17 9:05 PM
Dumbest post yet
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Aug 2, 17 6:21 AM
Good for President Trump... I thought Scaramucci was a going to be a good choice until he turned on Bannon in such a school yard rant. Glad hes gone.

If all he did was sweep out Priebus thats another HUGE plus... Who cares if it takes President Trump 8 years to find the right people as long as he keeps identifying the bad ones! Great Job.

Drain the swamp!
By joe hampton (3323), The Hamptons on Jul 31, 17 8:31 PM
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Agreed ! This is the best thing Scaramucci could do for his Country and the White House. Kelly needs a clean slate! He doesn't need a loose cannon to go on a mindless rant. Bye Bye Reince

Now Sessions Needs To Appoint Special Prosecutor To Go After Obama & Clinton!

MAGA!
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 31, 17 8:36 PM
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Priebus was never a ally of President Trump, If anybody can do this job, It's Kelly.

Scaramucci failed the test and turned out to be a loudmouth "goodfellas" wannabe,

YOUR FIRED!

Good riddance to him and Reince Priebus.

MAGA!
By Ditch Bum (765), Water Mill on Jul 31, 17 8:54 PM
The loosest cannon in the WH is DJT. Kelly has taken on the impossible.

Charged with stopping the leaks, and, sure enough, what happens on Day One? Major leak revealed in the Washington Post that trump dictated Junior's lie re: colluding with the Russians.

Today Ivanka Tweets she's *working*"alongside" Kelly. So the new Chief of Staff is one of two? This dog won't hunt, people.


*Furthermore, exactly what is Lady Ivanka doing in the WH?
Her supposed agenda ...more
Aug 1, 17 11:48 AM appended by June Bug
As for the firing of Scaramucci, it should have been done IMMEDIATELY, not days later, AND BY TRUMP.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 1, 17 11:48 AM
trump (and his spawn) is the swamp.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 1, 17 1:06 PM
Drain the Swamp? This was the swamp only Trump created. Remember, he said I only surround myself with the best people. More delusional lies, obviously he doesn't understand the qualities that make up character. That's why this stinks from the head of the fish down and has created this embarrassing s...show since day one. Ah, day one he was going to replace and repeal Obamacare, Huge Failure!!. Going to build wall, Mexico paying, Huge Lie!! Going to wipe out ISIS in thirty days, Huge delusional lie!! ...more
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Jul 31, 17 10:34 PM
only 7 1/2 more years of trolling to go
By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Aug 1, 17 12:04 AM
Anything I said that wasn't true? I forget ud, you only understand lies, sad. He's on borrowed time now.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Aug 1, 17 6:45 AM
DHS Bypasses Environmental Regulations to Start Border Wall Construction

President Trump is taking a more populist approach to health care in the wake of congressional Republicans’ inability to repeal-and-replace Obamacare — putting both insurance companies and Congress on notice for being exempt from the unpopular law.
Trump took to Twitter on Monday to ask why Obamacare, which he said is “hurting people,” isn’t also hurting insurance companies and congressional ...more
By They call me (2645), southampton on Aug 1, 17 12:41 PM
Right there the thinking of a mob boss.
How very presidential!
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 1, 17 1:10 PM
By the evidence of all five senses, it's a turd, but Ditch Bum, Erin 27 E, joe hampton and 27dan all are sure that The Donald has pooped another diamond.

Those individuals who haven't abandoned rationality to belief (and who can still discern the difference between pee-pee and rain) see a turd.
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Jul 31, 17 11:39 PM
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Looks like President Trump has rained on highhats parade once again
By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Aug 1, 17 12:00 AM
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Sad week for the loser enablers on this site. Putin is waiting for you ud.
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Aug 1, 17 6:48 AM
And while the on going WH circus continues, the Honorable Lee (sic) cosponsors a bill to erase the First Amendment. He and others from the NY delegation are sponsoring a bill (S. 720/H.R. 1697) making it a felony to criticize or advocate for boycotts of Israeli products proving once again he puts Zionist interests ahead of the United States and our Constitution.
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 1:15 AM
That's not entirely accurate bird. Criticize? No. Erase First amendment? No. Boycott? Sort of. The hook is that someone engaged in commerce with a country considered friendly with the US can't boycott commerce with said friendly country when requested to do so by a foreign country.
Aug 1, 17 8:50 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
The primary sponsor is Ben Cardin, Democrat, Maryland. Thank you Mr. Zeldin for the steadfast representation of the interests of the United States and bipartisan cooperation.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 1, 17 8:50 AM
to bird:

Understandable.

As the ACLU noted, "The bill would punish businesses and individuals based solely on their point of view. Such a penalty is in direct violation of the First Amendment."

There being no First Amendment in Israel, the Likud was doubtless unaware of the obstacle that the amendment would present HERE when it sent Lee his instructions.
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 1, 17 9:56 AM
To Snerdley: The Bill of Rights: Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."

S. 720/H.R. 1697 makes it a felony punishable by jail time and fines to speak out against Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing, and to advocate for a boycott of Israeli made goods. Sure sounds like an erasure of the First Amendment. What's the old joke: It's cheaper to buy a Congressman than a Cadillac. Question is did they get a CT6 or was the Constitution ...more
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 11:03 AM
SocialistWorker dot org would agree...but with 45 U.S. senators and 237 congressmen in bipartisan support signing on, perhaps it is Democrat Richard Neal who says it best, "I take the views of the ACLU seriously, but remain deeply concerned about a movement that demonizes our close ally and rejects a two-state solution."
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 1, 17 11:11 AM
Whether Israel is our close ally or not is a separate discussion and the BDS movement does not reject the two state solution but instead advocates for it thru putting economic pressure on Israel. Any reasonable look at the facts would show that while Israel gives lip service to the two state solution, they are actually doing everything possible to sabotage it.
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 11:45 AM
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Israeli medical, surgical, defense and entertainment advances should be spurned by anyone espousing BDS, otherwise they are hypocrites. Too bad Israelis are not the type to refuse these advances to racists who selectively promote BDS.
By Taz (582), East Quogue on Aug 1, 17 11:15 AM
Yes Taz, when you can't refute the facts, pull out the racist card.
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 12:01 PM
Well bird , it is in fact ,racist. But you don't understand why.
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Aug 2, 17 9:50 AM
I call em as I see em. BDS proponents are racists, my right to free speech. You have every right to disagree. Make sure you don't need any medical diagnostics, computers or phones, even microwaves, since many of their parts are made or were invented in Israel. I can't compete with a closed mind. Lucky for us so many of our elected officials see BDS for what it is.
By Taz (582), East Quogue on Aug 1, 17 12:11 PM
" You have every right to disagree."

Apparently not since under the bill cosponsored by the Hon Lee, I would be subject to a million dollar fine and 20 years in prison. So much for the First Amendment.
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 1:03 PM
And, Taz, to get back on topic, the point is not about the validity of the BDS movement, it's about the assault on the First Amendment to the Constitution by the Hon Lee and friends. Tell me Taz, would you be just as comfortable with a law jailing anyone who practices Judaism?
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 1, 17 1:25 PM
The REAL question bird is what is the greater good. The First Amendment and freedom of speech is a limited one with exceptions granted to the government when the government is the "subsizier or speaker."
Question. How many citizens who trade with Israel would be impacted by the law? Answer: Very few.
Question. How many people in the United States are impacted by a US policy that promotes a positive relationship with the US ally, Israel? Answer: Many.

Aug 2, 17 8:43 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
District 1 is fortunate to have Mr. Zeldin representing us!
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 2, 17 8:43 AM
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By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 2, 17 8:43 AM
"Question. How many citizens who trade with Israel would be impacted by the law? Answer: Very few." - Your question and answer are irrelevant since S. 720/H.R. 1697 says nothing about creating a US government policy that restricts any individual from doing business with Israel.

"Question. How many people in the United States are impacted by a US policy that promotes a positive relationship with the US ally, Israel? Answer: Many." Once again your question and answer are irrelevant. You use ...more
By bird (776), Sag Harbor on Aug 2, 17 12:44 PM
Bird, the summary from Congress' website certainly does reference"individuals, the language is specifically "any U.S. person engaged". If it doesn't include "any individual", then what are we even talking about?? Further, a boycott by definition IS the restricting of commerce.

Exceptions to the First Amendment certainly exist, for another example, not being able to yell fire in a crowded movie theater. Your reference and comparison to Nazi Germany is ridiculous.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 3, 17 8:34 AM
to Taz:

Quote:

"I call em as I see em. BDS proponents are racists ... "
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Yet another specious, self-serving, unsupportable assertion of Jewish victimhood.
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 1, 17 12:23 PM
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By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 1, 17 12:26 PM
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By They call me (2645), southampton on Aug 1, 17 12:56 PM
Victims? YES!!! 6 million Jews including at least 1 million children were murdered during the holocaust...in their own homes, neighborhoods, towns and countries. Unless of course they were shipped via trains to death camps. Israel was created by the UN to give the Jews a chance to return to their ancestral home (Jesus was a Jew and was born there 2017 years ago)and create a safe place to live since it was clear that their european homes were taken from them. They created a beautiful country ...more
By Taz (582), East Quogue on Aug 2, 17 10:24 AM
BTW, the bill does not prevent free speech nor one's right to choose BDS for oneself. It is against the UN 3/24/2016 resolution urging BDS. Read the details of the bill before you embarrass yourselves.
By Taz (582), East Quogue on Aug 2, 17 10:55 AM
to Taz:

Your conclusion that Jews are entitled to a homeland in The Palestinian Mandate because of Nazi genocide is utterly irrational. The fact is that the Jews were given land that they didn't own by a nation that, also, didn't own it, in disdainful disregard of the rights of the resident Arab owners (who had NO PART in the Holocaust) and who had occupied that land continuously for generations untold. It was THEFT, plain and simple. The Arabs are the final victims of colonialism, different ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 2, 17 11:54 AM
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Taz.....don't waste your breath.
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Aug 2, 17 12:08 PM
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Taz you're taking the wrong approach. You're not going to make anti-Semitic people understand anything. Also the Jews are not the victims they once were. They built a state, they're doing productive things. No one talks about Abbas and the palatial palace he lives in . No one questions that.
You Tube celebration with Arab Palestinians......
By Biba (541), East Hampton on Aug 2, 17 12:21 PM

AUG. 1 2017 7:01 PM
Donald Trump’s Utter Economic Illiteracy

The full transcript of Donald Trump's Wall Street Journal interview, leaked to Politico, illustrates his tenuous grasp of reality. In just one paragraph of word salad, he delivers a telling demonstration of his total ignorance on how economies work.

Here's the passage: (trump is trying to explain that he thinks the United States is growing too slowly compared with the rest of the world, and therefore we ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 2, 17 2:49 PM

DOW 22,000!
Aug 2, 17 11:02 PM appended by 27dan
The Dow Jones Industrial Average achieved yet another milestone Wednesday, hitting 22,000 for the first time in history. The Dow is up 20 percent since President Donald Trump’s election Landslide. The rally will likely continue, too. Drexel Hamilton analyst Brian White said he expects more to come.The Market loves President Trump!
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 2, 17 11:02 PM
Hey good news. Where were you when Obama took office at 8,000 and finished at almost 20,000? Not one word, that either makes you a racist or un-American? Which is it?
By Mets fan (1418), Southampton on Aug 3, 17 6:06 AM
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Mr. Z, would you like to set Mets fan straight? He seems to think it was Obama who got the stock market back on track.... hint: "Donald Trump: Fed has created a 'false economy'"
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Aug 3, 17 4:07 PM
DOW 22,000!

Sore losers that can't accept the fact that he won and is our president. This is what happens when you have a swamp of career politicians and their partisan cheerleaders feeling threatened, republican or democrat, you cant have an outsider just start talking about term limits and draining the swamp. The enemies have cropped up on both sides ( McCain ) . God bless President Trump for having the guts not give in and fight.
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 3, 17 6:50 PM
M2 13.6 TRILLION!!!!!!!


12 TRILLION DOLLARS PRINTED OUT OF THIN AIR IN 37 YEARS!!!!
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Aug 8, 17 8:41 PM
Israeli's are civilized
By They call me (2645), southampton on Aug 2, 17 10:54 PM
to They call me:

Quote:

"Israeli's are civilized"
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- - - who killed 550 Arab children and maimed 3400 (leaving 1000 permanently disabled) when they attacked the civilian population of Gaza with an army of tanks and air force bombers.

This appalling slaughter of innocents proclaimed to the world the Likud government's amoral devaluation of non-Jewish lives. One need only ask it it would have launched such a lethal, ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 3, 17 8:12 AM
Stop poking the snake and you wont get bit
By Undocumented Democrat (1910), southampton on Aug 3, 17 1:31 PM
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Why is it a back page story when the Palestinians Kill Innocent women and children. Where are the human rights activists of Amnesty International after The cries of “Allahu Akhbar” are heard in Gaza ? After crowds cheer in the streets when a bus full of innocent people is blown up in Tel Aviv?

hhs, Its not the Jews cheering in the streets about killing Arabs is it?

Prior to 1967 the "nation" of Palestine did not even exist.The double standard you paint against Israel ...more
Aug 3, 17 6:31 PM appended by They call me
tell me how Israel the only jewish country on earth, can occupy a land which has always belonged to the Jewish people? The fact that it was occupied by many others, throughout 2 millenniums doesn't change the fact, that there were always jews in Kana'an (Isreal today). There are no archaeological evidence of random arabs living in this land before the Ottoman empire. The whole occupation thing is nothing but shallow propaganda, which the world media cultivates. Only the primitive people ae brainwashed so easily and buy this story. Sadly, it seems that our planet is full with them.
By They call me (2645), southampton on Aug 3, 17 6:31 PM
Emet!
By joe hampton (3323), The Hamptons on Aug 3, 17 6:37 PM
Question HHS.....
During which conflict did this occur ?
By Sturgis (563), Southampton on Aug 3, 17 10:49 AM
it's the conflict between our military and Alec the the highway commisioner of the town of Southampton. He doesn't get it about painting white lines at the Speonk and Westhampton LIRR stations which could avoid a lot of mishaps by drivers crossing the non-existant lines, and also, more blue lines and handicapped parking signs so the can find proper parking when they get to the station. Oh well, he won't get the votes this election!
PAINT THE LINES BUDDY! IT"S BEEN 10 YEARS OR MORE>
By Ibill (47), remsenburg on Aug 3, 17 11:09 AM
to Sturgis:

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"Question HHS.....
During which conflict did this occur ?"
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The atrocity was committed in July/August, 2014. There was no declared conflict. It was an extension of Israel's despicable "collective punishment"* of the entire Gazan civilian population by economic and political blockade.

(Ironically, the ongoing Israeli blockade of Gaza is an extreme version of the far milder sanctions that BDS proposes ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 3, 17 11:52 AM
Sturgis, you are absolutely right. A waste of time to debate closed minds. But I must say that it was the UNITED NATIONS that created Israel, not the UK. I'm done with Hat and his cronies.
By Taz (582), East Quogue on Aug 3, 17 12:11 PM
Top priority ... McMaster must go!

MAGA
By joe hampton (3323), The Hamptons on Aug 3, 17 1:30 PM
JULY JOBS: +209,000...
Record 153,513,000 Employed...
Strength...

GREAT AGAIN !!! : Trade deficit drops...

TRUMP FIRES UP WEST VIRGINIA...

GOVERNOR SWITCHES PARTIES AT RALLY...

Republicans Have Full Control of 26 States...
Aug 4, 17 10:45 AM appended by 27dan
Meanwhile in Sorelosserville mueller probing collusion,obstruction,financial crimes, parking tickets and interviewing president trumps 3 rd grade class to see if maybe they can pin a bulling charge on him..... CNN investigating Russia connection
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 17 10:45 AM
Uh, 27, trump produced 172,000 FEWER jobs in the last 5 months than President Obama did in the same period a year ago.
He handed trump an economy that was close to what economists consider full employment, so you can quit your unjustified bloviating.
Remember when trump would mock Obama's employment numbers as "fake news"? Now he's bragging on the positive results of Obama's economic engine? Pathetic, but typical behavior of a con.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 5, 17 2:03 PM
to They call me:

Unless you are willing to surrender ownership of your OWN home to the Shinnecock Indians, don't attempt to use prior ancestral ownership to rationalize Jewish theft of Arab land in the Palestine Mandate.

One notes - - - AGAIN - - - your defamatory allegations of anti-Semitism. Will you and your colleagues never rid yourself of the misconception that specious personal attacks rescue a bankrupt argument?
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to Taz:

No, ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 4, 17 10:46 AM
Take a look at a map and leave Israel alone already. Why cant you let them have there little corner of the world. How do you defend the Yaser Arafat argument and terrorism? I am not jewish but really to me you look like the bully not DT
By 27dan (2657), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 4, 17 10:55 AM
This conflict is not about land, never was ,never will be.
By Biba (541), East Hampton on Aug 4, 17 11:47 AM
To Taz & TCM
Some people will continually insinuate that Jews have no connection to Israel, or that the connection they do have doesn't matter. These people don't care or even believe that there was always a Jewish presence in the region. They insist that the only people with any connection are Muslims.
These are the same people that ignore the human rights abuses in many many countries and will only focus on "human rights abuses" in Israel.
These are also the same people that ignore ...more
Aug 4, 17 11:12 AM appended by Biba
I forgot to mention that these people also conveniently ignore the years between 1948 and 1967 when the Jews had nothing to do with the so called displaced Palestinians and there were zero cries for a state for these Arabs. These people ignore that other Arabs refused to absorb their brethren.
By Biba (541), East Hampton on Aug 4, 17 11:12 AM
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to Biba:

Lies, misstatements, misconceptions, misdirections and unsupportable opinions, all of which have been refuted in our prior discussions. Your ENDLESS repetition of them makes them no more credible. (Although I do enjoy your only novel assertion - - - that genocide can't have happened if the victimized population has grown!)

AGAIN, in the absence of rational argument, you descend to personal aspersion, the habitual recourse of Jewish/Israeli apologists who cannot rationally ...more
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 4, 17 1:11 PM
See Taz & TCM
More delusional diatribe...
By Biba (541), East Hampton on Aug 8, 17 4:19 PM
to Biba:

Let me know your address, Biba. I'll give it to the Shinnecock Indian tribal leadership. Have your deed ready. They'll be coming over to reclaim your home as their ancestral right. (I know that you have no objections since you have repeatedly asserted your belief in the supervening right of such claims.)
By highhatsize (3958), East Quogue on Aug 8, 17 7:44 PM
Jose R. Martinez-Cobo.
By Biba (541), East Hampton on Aug 8, 17 8:26 PM