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Jul 19, 2017 10:51 AMU.S. Representative Lee Zeldin this week continued to defend Donald Trump Jr.’s decision to meet with Russian operatives last year during the presidential campaign, and stood firm on that position in a nationally televised interview last week, choosing to deflect discussion of that meeting by focusing on threats to the president made by celebrities like Madonna and Snoop Dogg.
On Monday, Mr. Zeldin, who sits on the U.S. House of Representative’s Foreign Relations Committee, said that while he remains concerned over President Donald Trump’s son’s meeting with Russian officials, he does not think it is a “smoking gun” proving that outside powers were trying to influence last year’s presidential elections.
Rather, the second-term Republican congressman from Shirley chalked up Donald Trump Jr.’s misstep to naiveté, as opposed to proof that the Trump campaign was guilty of collusion.
“I would sure hope that, in hindsight, that situation would have been handled differently,” he said. “Donald Trump Jr. has said, over the course of the past few days, that he would handle things differently.”
Mr. Zeldin added on Monday, “I am someone who doesn’t believe that any hostile foreign government, or any foreign government at all for that matter, should be meddling in American elections. I especially feel that way strongly when you look at certain countries like Russia, China, North Korea, Iran.”
His comments echoed his interview four days earlier with MSNBC’s Katy Tur.
In that interview, on Thursday, July 13, Mr. Zeldin appeared defensive, deflecting questions about Mr. Trump’s son’s meeting with Russian officials by instead focusing on threats made against the president by celebrities and others.
“Madonna is saying she wants to blow up the White House, Kathy Griffin holding up a decapitated head, Sean Penn saying he wants to assassinate the president, George Clooney saying he wants to punch him in the face, Shakespeare in the Park killing the president, Snoop Dogg filming a video shooting the president—this is all going on right now by an extreme that I have an issue with,” Mr. Zeldin said during last week’s interview on MSNBC.
“Much of the media is almost entirely focused on Russia and ignoring this actual violence and threats of violence against the president coming from the left,” Jennifer DiSiena, Mr. Zeldin’s director of communications, added this week.
Regarding Donald Trump Jr., Mr. Zeldin continued to defend his decision to meet with Russian officials, again insisting that there was no sinister intent when the president’s campaign’s appeared willing to accept Russian aid. “It was a moment in time when the way the stars were aligned, may not have been vetted the way that it should have, and there was not the right firewall in place to identify it amongst the team,” Mr. Zeldin said.
Similarly, Southampton Town Republican Committee Chairman Damon Hagan said he thinks many people and media outlets have opted to focus on the overblown Russian connections rather than the threats and actions of those on the left.
“If you look at the political climate created by the Democrats throughout the country, it’s very hostile toward Republicans in general,” Mr. Hagan said. “We’ve seen it through the congressional shooting to the somehow media-supported stance of several public figures. You’ve got Donald Trump’s head being disposed of by Kathy Griffin, you’ve got Snoop Dogg doing videos where they’re shooting Donald Trump, to actual violence happening from the left.”
Mr. Hagan was referring to the shooting that occurred on June 14 in Alexandria, Virginia, at the Republican congressional team’s baseball practice. U.S. Representative Steve Scalise of Louisiana was shot and seriously wounded by left-wing activist James Hodgkinson, who was killed in a shootout with police. Four others were also wounded.
When pressed for his opinion on the email evidence that Donald Trump Jr. released, Mr. Hagan brought up the emails hacked by WikiLeaks during last year’s presidential campaign showing that then-CNN contributor Donna Brazile provided John Podesta, the former chair of the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign, with debate questions ahead of time.
“I think that [Donald Jr.’s emails] is a matter of the media trying to snowball something … Should he have taken the meeting? Probably not,” Mr. Hagan said. “He should not have. But at the same time, I have not seen the media go after the fact that all those emails released over the campaign were true and accurate. You have a Democrat Party that was actually cheating in the debates.”
Southampton Town Democratic Committee Chairman Gordon Herr, on the other hand, said he was appalled at what he sees as a lack of concern about the major and disturbing revelation.
“I watched Zeldin’s interview again, and it’s embarrassing to watch our congressman be so inarticulate about such an important issue,” Mr. Herr said. “He appears to have no real grasp as to the significance of the situation and continues to make excuses for the atrocious behavior of Trump, his family and his advisors.”
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Or is he actually altogether fine with such an ignorant and dangerous horror? And to use rhetorical expressions of blowing up the White House versus an actual blowing up of a country and its reputation and influence in the world as some kind of moral equivalence is plain pitiful.
Yeah. Naïveté. Hahahaha hahahaha. Lee Zeldin would be singing a different tune if one of his relatives had been defrauded by builders who paid the Trumps to show up and claim they were moving in to their fraudulent condo project.
Google it. Florida, Baja California -- take your pick. People being led to believe by Trumps -- in person -- that they were investing in Trump projects were left in the dust while Ivanka and Donald Jr jetted off to the next "meet and greet" for free travel, free food and a hefty check for playing pretend. But hey, it's only dumb middle class people they screwed, not anyone important .... like a politician.
Election's over -- Trump and Zeldin won! Better luck next year, so stop whimpering, suck it up and figure out a more constructive path to follow.
Because medical costs weren't out of control beforehand.
Talk about naive.
In the words of Michael Corleone, "Now who's being naive Kate?"
You voted for the first trumpcare saying it would never go through the senate, NOW REPUBLICANS WANT TO JUST REPEAL SO 34 MILLION WILL HAVE NO HEALTHCARE!
Not a good strategy #ByeLee2018
Anonymous, Karl Rove and 2012 Election Fix?
By Thom Hartmann and Sam Sacks
At around 11:25 pm EST on election night, Karl Rove knew something had gone terribly wrong.
Minutes earlier, Fox News called the key battleground state of Ohio for President Obama, sealing his re-election. ...more But as the network took live shots of jubilant Obama supporters celebrating their victory camped outside the Obama re-election headquarters in Chicago, Karl Rove began building a case against the call his employer network had just made.
Rove explained that when Fox called Ohio, only 74% of the vote was in showing President Obama with a lead of roughly 30,000 votes. But, as Rove contended, with 77% reporting according to the Ohio Secretary of State office, the President’s lead had been slashed to just 991 votes.
“We gotta be careful about calling the thing,” Rove said, “I’d be very cautious about intruding in on this process.”
Rove was supremely confident that the numbers coming in from Ohio throughout the night that favored President Obama weren’t indicative of who would win Ohio when all the votes were ultimately tabulated by the state's computers. With a quarter of the vote still out there, Rove was anticipating a shift to the Right just after 11 pm, which, coincidentally, is exactly what happened in 2004.
That year, John Kerry and the entire nation were watching Ohio just after the 11pm hour. Florida had just been called for George W. Bush and according to the Electoral College math whoever won Ohio would win the election. And considering that exit polls from the state showed John Kerry with a substantial lead, there were a lot of tense moments for Karl Rove and the Republicans that night.
Then the clock struck 11:14pm, and the servers counting the votes in Ohio crashed. Election officials had planned for this sort of thing to happen and already contracted with a company in Chattanooga, Tennessee called SMARTech to be the failsafe should the servers in Ohio go down.
As journalist Craig Unger lays bare in his book, Boss Rove, SMARTech was drenched in Republican politics. One of the early founders of the company was Mercer Reynolds who used to the finance chairman of the Republican Party. SMARTech’s top client was none other than the Bush-Cheney campaign itself and SMARTech also did work for Jeb Bush and the Republican National Committee. And it was Ohio’s Republican Secretary of State, Ken Blackwell, who ensured that SMARTech received the contract to count votes on election night should the servers go down, which they did at exactly 11:14pm.
Sixty long seconds later the servers came back up in Ohio, but now with vote rerouted through SMARTech in Chattanooga. And, coincidentally, Bush’s prospects for re-election were suddenly a lot brighter. The vote totals that poured into the system from SmartTECH's computer in Chattanooga were flipping the exit polls on their head. The lead Kerry had in the exit polls had magically reversed by more than 6%, something unheard of in any other nation in the developed world, giving Bush the win in Ohio and the presidency for another four years.
Unger further explains in his book that the only independent analysis of what happened in Ohio was done by Richard Hayes Phillips and published in the book, Witness to a Crime. Phillips and his team analyzed more than 120,000 ballots, 127 polls books, and 141 signature books from Ohio’s 2004 election.
Phillips found zero irregularities in vote totals from all the counties that reported results before the servers crashed at 11:14pm. But of the fourteen counties that came in after the crash connected Ohio's election computers to SmartTECH's computers in Chattanooga, every single one of them showed voter irregularities - that all favored George W. Bush.
For example, consider Cleveland’s Fourth Ward. In 2000, Al Gore won 95% of that ward's vote. But in 2004, the county reported its results after the 11:14 pm crash, and it showed that Kerry had only won 59% of the vote – a 35% drop without any explanation. There were several other abnormalities across Ohio’s post-server crash that delivered the state to Bush.
John Kerry never protested the election and to this day, these 2004 voter abnormalities have never been addressed.
So the question is: on election night this year, when Karl Rove was protesting the call his network had just made in Ohio, was Rove anticipating a wave of unpredicted vote totals to swing the election back to Mitt Romney after a statewide server crash, just as had happened in 2004?
Perhaps. He did make the point that the race was about to drastically narrow according to the Secretary of State’s office. And as The Free Press reports, a number of odd similarities with 2004 began occurring in Ohio this year just after the 11pm hour once again:
“Curiously, the Ohio Secretary of State’s vote tabulation website went down at 11:13pm, as reported by Free Press election protection website monitors, and mentioned by Rove on the news. This was one minute earlier than the time on election night 2004 -- when Ohio votes were outsourced to Chattanooga, Tennessee -- and then the vote flipped for Bush…This time, the Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) vote tabulation site went down as on election night as well. In his rant on Fox, Rove argued that Fox News should not confirm Ohio for Obama until votes came in from the southwest Ohio GOP strongholds of Delaware, Butler and Warren counties and suburban Cincinnati. It was after the crash of the secretary of state’s site in 2004 that improbable vote totals came in from Republican counties in southwest Ohio – particularly Butler, Clermont, and Warren counties. These three counties provided more than Bush’s entire Ohio victory margin of 119,000.”
Only this time, when the servers came back up, the votes never flipped. President Obama’s lead held and he went on to win, while Karl Rove - and Mitt Romney - watched in slack-jawed amazement.
We know there was a parade of Conservative talking heads in the days before the election predicting a landslide victory for Mitt Romney. Is it because they lived in a bubble, lacking pollster Nate Silver’s facts and arithmetic that actually showed the President winning in a landslide? Could it be that Rove’s election night freak-out was just a result of this same Election Day ignorance held by all Republicans? Or was Rove genuinely shocked by what he was seeing because he knew the fix was in, just like in 2004, and there was no way President Obama was going to win re-election?
And if that’s the case, why did the plan to steal the election not work?
Here’s where the story gets really interesting.
Just a few weeks before Election Day, the hacktivist group Anonymous issued a video statement against Karl Rove. Anonymous is notorious for numerous cyber actions against the Justice Department, the Pentagon, the Recording Industry of America, the Motion Picture Association of America, and even the Church of Scientology.
In the video released prior to Election Day, Anonymous warns Karl Rove that he’s being watched. “We know that you will attempt to attempt to rig the election of Mitt Romney to your favor,” a black-robed figure in a Guy Fawkes mask says in the video. “We will watch as your merry band of conspirators try to achieve this overthrow of the United States government.”
The figure then warns Rove that Anonymous is “watching and monitoring all your servers,” and goes on to say, “We want you to know that we are watching you, waiting for you to make this mistake of thinking you can rig this election to your favor…If we catch you we will turn over all of this data to the appropriate officials in the hopes that you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”
Then, just two days after Election Day, as the Republican Party was in full-blown despair and Karl Rove was trying to figure out what went wrong, Anonymous released a press statement claiming it did indeed prevent an attempt by Rove to steal the election for Mitt Romney.
The statement reads, “We began following the digital traffic of one Karl Rove…After a rather short time, we identified the digital structure of Karl’s operation and even that of his ORCA. This was an easy task in that barn doors were left open and the wind swept us inside.”The “ORCA” that Anonymous is referring to in the press release is a massive, high-tech get-out-the-vote system created by the Romney campaign this year that will keep tabs on potential voters and coordinate with operatives to target who has and hasn’t voted yet on Election Day.
Romney’s Communications Director Gail Gitcho bragged about how sophisticated ORCA is saying, “At 5 o’clock when the exit polls come out, we won’t pay attention to that. We will have had much more scientific information based on the political operation we have set up.” In other words, ORCA will know who won Ohio better than any exit polls.
But, according to Anonymous, ORCA had nothing to do with getting out the vote and everything to do with rigging the vote.
“We coded and created, what we call The Great Oz. A targeted password protected firewall that we tested and refined over the past weeks. We placed this code on more than one of the digital tunnels and their destination that Karl's not so smart worker bees planned to use on election night.”
Anonymous alleges these “digital tunnels” were leading to servers in three different states. The release goes on to detail what happened on election night as Rove’s operatives attempted to access these tunnels. “We watched as Karl's weak corrupters repeatedly tried to penetrate The Great Oz. These children of his were at a loss-how many times and how many passwords did they try-exactly 105.”
“Karl’s speared ORCA whale was breached, rotting with a strong stench across his playground, unable to be resuscitated,” claims Anonymous.
So might this have really been the reason for Karl Rove’s shock on election night? Under the guise of sophisticated get out the vote operation, had Rove and the Republican Party actually built up a massive system to steal the Ohio election, just like in 2004, only to have it thwarted at the last minute by a group of computer hackers?
If this is true, then the implications are enormous and could take down the entire Republican Party and finally wake Americans up to the fact that our privatized vote system is shockingly flawed and insecure.
In their press release, Anonymous concludes, “We have a warning for Karl – sail again at your own peril. We may just put all the evidence into a tidy little package and give it to a painfully bored nemesis hanging out in a certain embassy in London.”
In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. But given Karl Rove’s history with elections in Ohio and the known vulnerabilities with our corporate owned electronic voting machines, there may be both smoke and fire with these election night allegations.
That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.
There are two possible reasons for the president's exclusion - - - either he realizes that Zeldin is such an abject sycophant that he doesn't have to pay attention to him in order to insure his loyalty - - ...more - OR - - - Zeldin never asked.
* "Amid Fears Of A Labor Shortage, Congressman Lee Zeldin Promises Action to "Local Growers" by Alexandra Talty (The Southampton Press, April 3, 2017)
Are you a dance instructor is real life? Your two-stepping is quite remarkable.
As a matter of fact, the problem with the H-2A program (the farm laborer program), as laid out in the earlier Press article that I cited, is NOT that the cap on workers is too low, but that the restrictions and paperwork required to process visa applications are so onerous that the growers can't employ workers when they need them. While we are happy to see that it is at least possible for ...more the president to change his mind on the H-2B program (as OTHER federal legislators convinced him to), he hasn't done a thing about the EAST END growers' problem. The fact that there is "NO CAP", as you pridefully point out, is utterly irrelevant.
Perhaps you could tell us, Po Boy, just what form The Honorable Lee's "action" to clear the logjam has taken in the five months since he "promised" to do it? Is the problem solved?
While you are engaged in your rationalizations about The Honorable Lee's ineffectiveness, perhaps you could also explain his failure to obtain approval from The Army Corps for the raising of Dune Rd.
Way to go, Lee!
The simple fact, Po Boy, is that you require no more from Zeldin than he does from the president.
Had you but read my cited reference before writing your reply, it would have been clear to you that I was comparing the effectiveness of other, energetic, federal legislators in acquiring more temporarily-visaed workers for THEIR constituents to the utter failure of The (Indifferent) Honorable Lee in acquiring more for HIS (despite his “promise” to take “action.”)
N-O-T-H-I-N-G has changed since he made that promise five months ago, and, with ...more the growing season so advanced, it's too late now for relief to have much, if any, of an effect.
Way to go, Lee!
Quote:
"That's NOT what you stated hat (conflating one issue with the other), and I responded to what you wrote." - Po Boy
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"YES", it is and, "NO", you didn't. Here's what I ACTUALLY wrote:
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"A much more proximate example of Zeldin's incompetency as our representative came last Monday when President Trump announced that he would approve 15,000 additional temporary visas, but NONE for AGRICULTURAL ...more workers as EAST END GROWERS had requested Congressman Zeldin to facilitate.*
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That asterisk refers to the citation which makes my comparison clear. My point was that Trump has provided more H-2B visa workers (for constituencies wherein motivated federal legislators petitioned for them) by increasing the cap on those visas, but has provided NO additional H-2A visa workers for the East End (as East End growers requested that Zeldin arrange) by paring down the bureaucratic maze that makes those visas impossible to obtain
You obviously didn't read the citation until after you wrote your reply. I can only post a reference. I can't make you read it.
Finally, you claim that the same problem existed during Tim Bishop's incumbency. Really? I don't recall ever hearing about it. Could you perhaps post a reference of your own for that unsupported assertion? My own assumption is that it is one of the consequences of the "extreme vetting" policy of the current Republican administration.
Finally, a simple search on "agriculture labor shortage on Long Island" will provide ample documentation that certain groups have been making ...more this claim for years - well before Mr. Zeldin became our esteemed Congressman. "Growing Shortage of Farm Workers
bridget shirvell | NOVEMBER 13, 2014 Lipulse. So why didn't Tim Bishop in 12 years do anything about the problem of H2A backlogs? Don't get me wrong. Asking those in the agriculture business to weigh in on the H2A process is like asking La Raza to weigh in on immigration reform.... but Bishop squarely was either asleep at the wheel or perhaps the problem is complicated and difficult to solve (let alone in five months).
I don't mind people standing up for what they believe. I admit I don't know everything nor have I lived other people's experiences. I do mind hypocrisy and ignorance. It helps no one. I also hate condescension and just flat out meanness. But that's just me.
BY ROBERT HAFFEY
POLITICS | PUBLISHED ON JULY 21, 2017
Poor baby Donnie. The president is exhausted, having worked hard for six months to ban Muslims from entering the United States, fail to pass legislation to strip healthcare from 22 million Americans, attack the free press, and canoodle with the enemy.
It makes sense that after having worked his tiny little orange fingers to the bone trying to destroy the United States, ...more Trump would need a vacation. He’ll be able to relax, recharge and come back to the White House ready to double down on his misguided, nihilistic agenda.
Zeke Miller, White House correspondent for Time, reports that Trump will be at his Bedminster, NJ golf course from August 3rd to the 20th.
The American people elected a man who is far more interested in hitting the green then buckling down in the White House to actually govern. He is utterly ineffectual, the biggest loser to ever sit behind the Resolute desk.
A watchdog website estimates that Trump has already spent $47,378,438 on his wasteful sixteen golfing trips. He’s spent a total of eleven days at Bedminster and twenty-five at Mar-a-Lago.
While it’s pathetic that he feels the need to reward his complete failure as president with another vacation, it has one upside. If Trump is golfing, it means he’s taking a break from undermining our democracy.
Billionaire Florida donor rails against Trump
By Matt Dixon
TALLAHASSEE — Billionaire health care mogul and former GOP megadonor Mike Fernandez has harsh words for Republicans who don't stand up to President Donald Trump.
“All the Republicans who hide behind the flag and hide behind the church, they don’t have the f------ balls to do what it takes,” Fernandez told POLITICO Florida in a telephone interview on Thursday.
Fernandez, ...more a Miami-area resident, has long been a political rainmaker and donor, spending $3.5 million in ads against Trump in 2016 alone. He has, however, grown disenchanted with the direction of political leaders at both the state and federal level. He left the GOP due to Trump.
“I am out of the political process. Too disgusted, too expensive, too supportive of ego maniacs whose words have the value of quicksand,” he wrote in an email to a Republican fundraiser seeking political contributions.
In the email, the fundraiser was referred to as “Debbie,” but in an interview he would not identify her.
He was a vocal opponent of Trump during the campaign, and spent roughly $3 million backing Jeb Bush's failed bid for the White House. His disapproval of Trump has not waned, and he is now directing his ire at Republicans who won’t stand up to the president.
“It is demoralizing to me to see adults worshipping a false idol. I can’t continue to write checks for anyone,” he said. “I know what it’s like to lose a country.”
He called Trump an “abortion of a human being,” and hammered the New York developer in the harshest terms possible.
“If I was the doctor and knew what that baby would do, I’d have made sure it never would have seen the light of day,” he said of the president.
Fernandez, who is chairman of MBF Healthcare Partners, was also critical of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson for following along with the Trump administration’s foreign policy agenda.
“Why give up your own thought process,” Fernandez said of Tillerson, who was the former ExxonMobil CEO before joining the Trump administration. “This is someone who rose through the ranks of corporate America and probably has more money than Trump does, because [Trump] does not have what he says he has."
His derision was not exclusively aimed at Washington. He says there is also no one currently in Tallahassee that he can support. He briefly served as the finance chairman for Gov. Rick Scott’s re-election campaign, but left and sent an email blasting the “paranoia” of some of the consultants running the race.
“He is probably the smartest, hardest working man I’ve ever met, but to lead you must have empathy,” Fernandez said. “He is emotionless. There is no passion, no sense of obligation, there is only a a sense of self-advancement.”
When asked about Fernandez’s comments, Scott Communications Director John Tupps said “Governor Scott cares deeply about our state and focuses every day on making it a better place for future generations.”
Fernandez said he is not currently planning on supporting any Republican in Florida's race for governor. He has previously given money to Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam, who is running, but said he will not do so in the future.
He also pointed out incoming state House Speaker José R. Oliva (R-Miami Lakes) who has feuded with Fernandez in the past, when talking about what he sees as problems with state political leaders.
The biggest clash between the two came in 2014 when Miami-Dade lawmakers blocked legislation that would have allowed Miami-Dade College to ask voters to approve a half-penny sales-tax increase to renovate classrooms. Fernandez supported the tax. Oliva then told the Miami Herald the college had enough money.
“[Oliva] came to my office and he said ‘this is why I was elected,'” Fernandez said. "There are some issues that are too complicated for the people to understand.”
“I said 'Who made you the people’s dictator?'" Fernandez said he fired back at Oliva.
When asked about those comments, Oliva told POLITICO Florida that he was trying to protect the community from what would amount to a $1 billion tax increase.
“He was upset that one legislator was able to help prevent a highly influential billionaire from imposing a billion dollar tax increase on this community,” Oliva said. “If he [Fernandez] is tired of politics, he should stop playing politics."
The lone person Fernandez praised was former state House Speaker Will Weatherford, who is considered a potential future candidate for statewide office. After leaving the Legislature, Weatherford got out of politics to form Weatherford Partners, an investment firm .
“I have great hope for Will Weatherford,” Fernandez said. “He did it the right way, not living off the government. When he left, people wanted him to run for Senate or governor, but he went home to build a financial foundation for his family.”
Weatherford said Fernandez has a "huge heart and I can understand his frustration with the current political process." He joked "not this cycle" when asked about his political future.
In his email to the unidentified Republican fundraiser, Fernandez recalled a trip he and Weatherford took to Israel, where they met with the late Shimon Peres, the country's former president and prime minister who died two years ago and was a friend of Fernandez.
In the email, Fernandez said that Peres gave one message to Weatherford: “Great leaders serve, they don’t rule.”
Sean Hannity melts down in humiliation after conservative group rescinds his ‘Media Excellence’ award
Clinton=SPECTRE Special Executive for Corruption,Terrorism, Revenge & Extortion! Sessions screwed up on the recusal, that's over, but he could and should be going after democrat corruption - there is plenty to go after!
Dereliction of duty is a good reason to fire someone, Bring in Cruz !
Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., a Senate Intelligence Committee member, noted that Clinton’s missing emails as secretary of state were investigated by the FBI. As a result, he said, there appears to be no need to ...more reopen the case.
“I didn’t support him for the job, but Sessions is doing his job,” said Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va., vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. “It’s one more example of this president’s disrespect for the rule of law.”
BY PATRICK POOLE JULY 25, 2017 CHAT 4 COMMENTS
A 22-year-old man from Oakland, California, man was indicted Friday on charges related to material support for ISIS.
His case represents the 130th ISIS-related arrest in the U.S. since March 2014.
According to the Justice Department, Amer Sinan Alhaggagi opened up social media accounts on behalf of ISIS and was willing to commit a suicide bombing.
Even ...more more disturbing, according to the indictment, Alhaggagi said he wanted to "redefine terror" and kill 10,000 people here in a domestic terror attack.
A Scout Is...
TRUSTWORTHY
A Scout tells the truth. He keeps his promises. Honesty is part of his code of conduct. People can depend on him.
LOYAL
A Scout is true to his family, Scout leaders, friends, school, and nation.
HELPFUL
A Scout is concerned about other people. He does things willingly for others without pay or reward.
FRIENDLY
A Scout is a friend ...more to all. He is a brother to other Scouts. He seeks to understand others. He respects those with ideas and customs other than his own.
COURTEOUS
A Scout is polite to everyone regardless of age or position. He knows good manners make it easier for people to get along together.
KIND
A Scout understands there is strength in being gentle. He treats others as he wants to be treated. He does not hurt or kill harmless things without reason.
OBEDIENT
A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobey them.
CHEERFUL
A Scout looks for the bright side of things. He cheerfully does tasks that come his way. He tries to make others happy.
THRIFTY
A Scout works to pay his way and to help others. He saves for unforeseen needs. He protects and conserves natural resources. He carefully uses time and property.
BRAVE
A Scout can face danger even if he is afraid. He has the courage to stand for what he thinks is right even if others laugh at or threaten him.
CLEAN
A Scout keeps his body and mind fit and clean. He goes around with those who believe in living by these same ideals. He helps keep his home and community clean.
REVERENT
A Scout is reverent toward God. He is faithful in his religious duties. He respects the beliefs of others.
TRUMP IS NONE OF THESE.
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Add Trump and misandry and it's a predictable reaction.
I repeat, better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
Any president who spoke to boy scouts in the manner of trump would be hounded out of office. We have normalized abomination, and you, who can't defend the indefensible and who instead attack those who are horrified ...more by him, are equally abominable.
Idiocy cannot be fixed.
And what does he propose re: the thousands currently serving? Third, Mr. Dumbass says transgenders cannot serve in any capacity. Do tell us what kind of blood and dying there is in an office, or a laboratory, or behind a computer screen?
In 2016, 18 countries allowed transgender individuals to serve openly in the military, according to the RAND report.
For their report, the researchers focused specifically on ...more four countries — Australia, Canada, Israel and the United Kingdom — and found that none of these countries' militaries "reported a negative impact on the operational effectiveness, operational readiness or cohesion of the force."
~ Sam Rayburn
Methinks Rayburn would call Trump a jackass.
You can't even get an insult right.
Instead of demonstrating the extent to which you've fallen prey to the paid, imperialist RW propagandists by hurling epithets, how about you list specific examples of what you view as my "anti-Americanism"?
To reiterate, your specious critique simply indicates that you didn't read my illustrative citation before penning your comment. (I note that you haven't denied it.) Nevertheless, in response, I have further explicated the obvious comparison between effective constituent service and that afforded us by The Honorable Lee. Readers can judge for themselves whether your criticism is germane or simply an effort to disguise your dialectical negligence.
Furthermore, the article ...more YOU cite (dated November, 2014) makes it clear that the shortage of farm workers developed late in Tim Bishop's incumbency. "Five years ago", the article states (That would be November, 2009), "Long Island farmers had laborers knocking on their doors looking for work." You have duplicitously implied that the shortage existed since Tim Bishop's first year in office in 2003. (An implication that is factually TRUE regarding The Indifferent Honorable.)
NO sand for Montauk beach renourishment; NO money for Dune Rd. elevation; NO farm workers for East End growers.
Thank you, Mr. Congressman!
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On another topic, I am eagerly anticipating The Honorable's jump aboard Trump's prejudiced transgender bandwagon. Being that the Donald's assertion (that transgender troops are "expensive and disruptive") is flatly contradicted by the most authoritative study of their effect*, one expects that a belief that is SO ignorant will prove irresistible to Trump's principle worshiper.
* "Assessing the Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly" by Agnes Gereben Schaefer, Radha Iyengar, Srikanth Kadiyala, Jennifer Kavanagh, Charles C. Engel, Kayla M. Williams and Amii Kress (The Rand Corporation, 2016)
If you have sources showing No sand, No money I'm all ears.... it's been demonstrated for starters projects of those you note are part of the $1.6 Billion of funding allocated to the Army Corp.
Now on to transgender in the military... Why would someone in the middle of changing gender (trans) be permitted in the military? The military make decisions of who can and can't be in the military based on deployability. If you had a severe peanut allergy, you would NOT be permitted in the military since it would impact your deployability to Peanutstan. The trans in transgender impacts deployability. It's that simple but I won't expect tons to understand simple.
You have reverted to your old habit of repeating assertions that have already been rebutted. Moreover, you have once again avoided answering the question of whether or not you read the citation illustrating my point before you wrote your ignorant reply. Again, all the arguments appear above. Readers my peruse them if they so choose. I know from our prior discussions that if I address your duplicative argument here with a duplicative rebuttal, you will react by RE-deplicating ...more it ad infinitum tediumque without adding anything novel of substance.
Moving on, here's the citation that you asked for attesting to The Honorable Lee's failure to obtain the sand for beach renourishment that his Montauk constituents requested:
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"Zeldin Calls For Public Pleas To Army Corps" by Michael Wright (The Southampton Press, August 24, 2016)
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The article states that Montauk residents requested 1.5 million tons of sand, but The Honorable Lee only prevailed on the Army Corps to "consider" 160,000 tons. So far, NOTHING.
Way to go, Lee!
Transgender people are not people, "in the middle of changing gender (trans)", as you believe. Rather, they are people whose gender identity is different the from the sex that they were identified as having at birth. Your ignorance of their status makes your arguments moot.
In any case, the Rand study (supra) refutes your ill-informed assertions.
I think what everyone has been trying to make clear is the subject is highly debatable and the front line is not the place for a social experiment of any kind.
If somthing is disruptive in a dangerous environment it needs to go ! That is all no other debate is necessary!
There are many resons that the military turns people down
(1) AWOL/Desertion.
(2) Courts Martial convictions.
(3) Concealment ...more of an arrest record.
(4) Discharge for the good of the Service.
(5) Entry level performance or conduct.
(6) Fraudulent entry.
(7) Failure to meet weight standards.
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(9) Personality disorder.
(10) Trainee Discharge Program.
(11) Unsatisfactory performance.
(12) Unfitness.
(13) Unsuitability.
Are just a few...
Ho-hum re: the August 24 citation and merely FAKE NEWS – to use your very own words – “…Every program of this sort is subject to modification ...more by such things as budgetary underestimations. Moreover the Army Corps Chief has yet to give final approval to the project.” The $1.6 Billion speaks volumes. Mr. Zeldin did his job and did it will - both in securing funds and imploring citizen engagement.
As far as the Rand Study, they are merely a group that attempts to improve policy and decision making through research and analysis. Ultimately, it is the decision of the Commander-in-Chief to flush out what is best. You further and once again typically and incorrectly assume ignorance on the part of others who point out something, but yet omit other information for the sake of brevity in this case the sub group of the trans gender who are actively getting treatment. Rand aptly addresses the deployment concerns of those engaged in treatment. Whether it is significant is up to Defense leadership to determine. And then there is the cost considerations..... $millions......
Scaramucci: The President And I Have A Very Good Idea Of Who The High-Level Leakers Are In The White House on Real Clear Politics
Awesome Scaramucci is a sharp guy and a welcomed member of this administration.
Drain The Swamp
"I sucked as a candidate, and lost."
Anything more is going to be useless and unbelievable.
Chapter 2: Hammers
Chapter 3. Muslim Brotherhood
Chapter 4: Orgy Island
Chapter 5: How I Want 500% More Muslims When They Are Burning Down Europe.
Chapter 6- How I lost my shoe getting dragged into the Scuby Van
Chapter 7 Seth Rich
Chapter 8 pizza gate
Chapter 9 What really happened to Vince Foster
Chapter 10 But I'm not bitter.
Chapter 11. The Perils of Cold Starbucks drinks!
Chapter 12 Deflection & rules for Radicals
Chapter ...more 13: Why am I not up by 50 points?
Chapter 14. How drunk I got on election night!
Chapter 15: Who's is this Ben Ghazi guy?
Chapter 16: Wiping a server clean ... like with a cloth.
Epilogue: What difference at this point does it make?
Editor's note: I did not have sexual relations with that woman.
And in the ...more last 4 days, Republican men in the house have threatened their female senate colleagues with shooting and beating because of their votes. (And now we hear the Thug-in-Chief is attempting extortion by punishing the state of Alaska as retribution for Senator Murkowski's healthcare vote.) Not that ever appropriate, but mind you 10 GOP senators have voted NO on one or both of the healthcare bills, but nary a threat against them.
Why so threatened, fellas? Why so hateful? Why so ungrateful? Who gave you life? Who rocked you to sleep? Who wiped your noses? Cooked your dinner?
I always admired the morality of a woman who spun her way through her 9/11 Commission testimony, and who banged the drum for America's biggest historical blunder with her mushroom cloud crap.
Now she's of the opinion that trump represents American values and has the interests of America at heart. It is to laugh. In league with "America Firster" trump despite being in the (opposite) pro-global ...more democracy camp. Doesn't agree with him on something as major, but supports him nevertheless. And Miss Priss apparently carries some self-hate being she apparently has no problem supporting someone criminally guilty of sexual assault. Has to qualify as some kind of disorder.
Because of inflation, the most recent one ($7.25/hr. set in '09) is now worth only $6.38/hr. That is a 12% real wage cut that puts downward pressure on wages up to about $15/hr., which in turn reduces income tax revenues.
A year ago, trump said, "I think people should get more", and called for a $10/hr. minimum wage. And right after Inauguration Day, he signed executive orders that help federal contractors LOWER wages.
MAGA, ...more suckers!
Dysfunction growing by the hour.
Wonder how the Bully-in-Chief will react?
Another childish temper tantrum probably, and his supporters will follow suit.
Very predictable.
Very boring.
Make America Great Again.
Dump Trump.
["sigh"] Had you but been diligent - - - had you but read the illustrative and clarifying citation that I included with my comment, we wouldn't all have been subjected (for days) to the bewildering fandango of self-justification of your incomprehension which you have danced for us.
Why can you not simply admit, "I didn't read it. My bad.", and we can move on to discussions that aren't born of ego.
One last time - - - I compared the result of effective, responsive ...more efforts of congressmen from OTHER districts in securing more visaed workers for THEIR constituents to the result of the feckless, indifferent "efforts" of Our Lee in utterly failing to do so for HIS (despite his five-month-old "promise".) My comment on [July] 19th to which you allude ("[I]t was announced yesterday that President Trump will supply 15,000 addition visas for seasonal workers - - - but NOT A ONE for the farm workers that local farmers asked The Honorable Lee to arrange.") is but another iteration of that comparison.
Let's talk about THAT rather than what you THOUGHT you read.
Regarding the August 24th reference, it reveals that Montauk asked The Honorable to secure 1.5 million tons of sand for its beaches. Zeldin got it 166,000 (maybe.) Those are the un-rationalized FACTS.
Next, after incorrectly describing a transgender individual as "someone in the middle of changing gender (trans)" you casuistically attempt to finesse your mistake by claiming that SOME of them are. This is a stereotypical "fallacy of composition". Do you not know better? Again, why not just admit that you were WRONG rather than so embarrass yourself?
Finally, you reiterate The Donald's ignorant and false assertion that that permitting transgender troops in the armed forces will cause deployment problems and will be costly - - - fallacies authoritatively refuted by the Rand study.
Make an effort to raise your game, Po Boy. Please!
What IS mentioned is industry opinion which of course would like regulation streamlined and eased to get needed workers easier but that is tied to immigration law, to which as we discussed but will point out once AGAIN, even the great Tim Bishop in 12 years failed to resolve, but you castigate the Honorable Mr. Zeldin for inaction in 5 months.
I say tisk tisk to partisan ideology which seems to be at the expense of our neighbors.
["sigh"] Hopeless.
Rather than admit that your entire tortuous, multi-segmented screed is but an attempt to conceal the fact that you neglected to read the illustrative citation and, therefore, utterly misunderstood the intent of the post, it is quite evident that you intend to carry on with these tediously logorrheic, self-justifying rationalizations of your misconception until the sun dies.
I will spare the reader further pain.
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"[C]an you explain why HRC took millions of dollars from regimes that subjugate women and toss homosexuals off rooftops? Is it because she's a strong powerful woman ? I'm confused...."
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Your confusion is simply and directly allayed, Sturgis - - - your statement is an incendiary lie (the Far-Right's favorite kind!) It was falsely alleged by Trump publicist Kellyanne Conway in the morning of October of 2016 @ 10:30 ...more a.m. and refuted by Politifact in the afternoon of the very same day.*
This virtually instantaneous refutation hasn't stopped Far-Right acolytes like you (who equate "Right-Wing opinion" with "fact" and "truth" whenever conducive to their expressions of belief) from asserting it anew whenever they want to make a fictitious point.
You are but one of a pack of Right-Wingers on this forum (but, to be fair, not ALL), the appearance of whose username at the bottom of a comment proclaims to one and all that everything that precedes it is hogwash.
* "Do Clinton donors 'throw gays off of buildings'? No, that's ISIS"
by Linda Qiu (Politifact, Sunday, October 23rd, 2016 4:39 p.m.)
"Grab them by the p****."
Nope you're wrong. The regimes that subjugate women and throw homosexuals off of roof tops and donated millions to Clinton are indeed those "moderate" Muslims. But nice try.
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"Nope you're wrong. The regimes that subjugate women and throw homosexuals off of roof tops and donated millions to Clinton are indeed those "moderate" Muslims. But nice try."
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As I have just noted, and as the quoted text attests, when YOUR name (or jr.'s) is appended to a comment, readers can be certain that every word that precedes it is a lie.
(Vide supra "Do Clinton donors 'throw gays ...more off of buildings'? ... ")
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Scaramucci OUT!
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You can't make this stuff up!
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Bully-in-Chief Self-Destruction!
The Deplorable-in-Chief's locker room talk OK, but not the Mooch's?
Not enough superlatives or hyperbole for this s*^tshow.
"The course of true love never did run smooth"*
The Donald is untrue.
* "A Midsummer Night's Dream" (William Shakespeare)
Mission accomplished.
now we need to get rid of mc cain and lying ryan
thank you sir for battling to making our country great again
If all he did was sweep out Priebus thats another HUGE plus... Who cares if it takes President Trump 8 years to find the right people as long as he keeps identifying the bad ones! Great Job.
Drain the swamp!
Now Sessions Needs To Appoint Special Prosecutor To Go After Obama & Clinton!
MAGA!
Scaramucci failed the test and turned out to be a loudmouth "goodfellas" wannabe,
YOUR FIRED!
Good riddance to him and Reince Priebus.
MAGA!
Charged with stopping the leaks, and, sure enough, what happens on Day One? Major leak revealed in the Washington Post that trump dictated Junior's lie re: colluding with the Russians.
Today Ivanka Tweets she's *working*"alongside" Kelly. So the new Chief of Staff is one of two? This dog won't hunt, people.
*Furthermore, exactly what is Lady Ivanka doing in the WH?
Her supposed agenda ...more has been totally negated by the actions of her father resulting in what appears to be a complete sham. Her presence at meetings with world leaders is outrageous and amounts to simple grifting which is the only thing this world-class criminal enterprise of a family is about.
President Trump is taking a more populist approach to health care in the wake of congressional Republicans’ inability to repeal-and-replace Obamacare — putting both insurance companies and Congress on notice for being exempt from the unpopular law.
Trump took to Twitter on Monday to ask why Obamacare, which he said is “hurting people,” isn’t also hurting insurance companies and congressional ...more lawmakers. BOOM!
How very presidential!
Those individuals who haven't abandoned rationality to belief (and who can still discern the difference between pee-pee and rain) see a turd.
Understandable.
As the ACLU noted, "The bill would punish businesses and individuals based solely on their point of view. Such a penalty is in direct violation of the First Amendment."
There being no First Amendment in Israel, the Likud was doubtless unaware of the obstacle that the amendment would present HERE when it sent Lee his instructions.
"Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..."
S. 720/H.R. 1697 makes it a felony punishable by jail time and fines to speak out against Israel's genocide and ethnic cleansing, and to advocate for a boycott of Israeli made goods. Sure sounds like an erasure of the First Amendment. What's the old joke: It's cheaper to buy a Congressman than a Cadillac. Question is did they get a CT6 or was the Constitution ...more only worth a Cimarron? Seems like the Honorable Lee and friends would fit right in in Venezuela.
Apparently not since under the bill cosponsored by the Hon Lee, I would be subject to a million dollar fine and 20 years in prison. So much for the First Amendment.
Question. How many citizens who trade with Israel would be impacted by the law? Answer: Very few.
Question. How many people in the United States are impacted by a US policy that promotes a positive relationship with the US ally, Israel? Answer: Many.
"Question. How many people in the United States are impacted by a US policy that promotes a positive relationship with the US ally, Israel? Answer: Many." Once again your question and answer are irrelevant. You use ...more the same justifications that Hitler and the Nazis used to put Jews in concentration camps. "It is for the greater good."
Just to be sure, I went back and reread the First Amendment. It includes no qualifiers. It is explicitly clear: "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press..." . There is no exception for speech the Jewish lobby doesn't like.
Exceptions to the First Amendment certainly exist, for another example, not being able to yell fire in a crowded movie theater. Your reference and comparison to Nazi Germany is ridiculous.
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Yet another specious, self-serving, unsupportable assertion of Jewish victimhood.
Your conclusion that Jews are entitled to a homeland in The Palestinian Mandate because of Nazi genocide is utterly irrational. The fact is that the Jews were given land that they didn't own by a nation that, also, didn't own it, in disdainful disregard of the rights of the resident Arab owners (who had NO PART in the Holocaust) and who had occupied that land continuously for generations untold. It was THEFT, plain and simple. The Arabs are the final victims of colonialism, different ...more only in that the colonial predation that victimized them was ethnoreligious rather than national.
If Great Britain wanted to give the Jews a homeland, why didn't it give them Cornwall, which it DOES actually own? The Lenape indians have a much, much more substantial claim to Manhattan Island than the Jews do to Israel.
I HAVE read the actual, official, congressional summary of "S. 720/H.R. 1697". Here's what it states:
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"The bill prohibits U.S.PERSONS engaged in interstate or foreign commerce from:
requesting the imposition of any boycott by a foreign country against a country which is friendly to the United States; or supporting any boycott fostered or imposed by an international organization, or
requesting imposition of any such boycott, against Israel." (emphasis added)
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If you are incapable of seeing the overt and blatant violation of the First Amendment free speech guarantee that such a law would engender, it can only be that your reason has been subjugated by your prejudice.
You Tube celebration with Arab Palestinians......
AUG. 1 2017 7:01 PM
Donald Trump’s Utter Economic Illiteracy
The full transcript of Donald Trump's Wall Street Journal interview, leaked to Politico, illustrates his tenuous grasp of reality. In just one paragraph of word salad, he delivers a telling demonstration of his total ignorance on how economies work.
Here's the passage: (trump is trying to explain that he thinks the United States is growing too slowly compared with the rest of the world, and therefore we ...more need to cut our corporate tax rate to 15 percent.)
"So I’ll call, like, major—major countries, and I’ll be dealing with the prime minister or the president. And I’ll say, how are you doing? Oh, don’t know, don’t know, not well, Mr. President, not well. I said, well, what’s the problem? Oh, GDP 9 percent, not well. And I’m saying to myself, here we are at like 1 percent, dying, and they’re at 9 percent and they’re unhappy. So, you know, and these are like countries, you know, fairly large, like 300 million people. You know, a lot of people say—they say, well, but the United States is large. And then you call places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and you say, you know, how many people do you have? And it’s pretty amazing how many people they have. So China’s going to be at 7 or 8 percent, and they have a billion-five, right? So we should do really well.
But in order to do that – you know, it’s tax reform, but it’s a big tax cut. But it’s simplification, it’s reform, and it’s a big tax cut, 15 –".
At some point, it appears Donald Trump heard somebody say that the United States cannot grow as fast as China or Malaysia because we have a “large” economy. No doubt, what they meant is that the U.S. is a highly developed, rich nation and therefore can't expand as quickly as developing countries that can still reap large gains from taking basic steps to improve their living standards. But Trump apparently thought that when whoever he was listening to said “large,” they were talking about population. Therefore, in his mind, if China grows at nearly 7 percent per year with its 1.4 billion people, the U.S. should be able to do it too.
This is the man who millions of voters are relying on to bring back jobs. Bottoms up.
Source: Slate
DOW 22,000!
Sore losers that can't accept the fact that he won and is our president. This is what happens when you have a swamp of career politicians and their partisan cheerleaders feeling threatened, republican or democrat, you cant have an outsider just start talking about term limits and draining the swamp. The enemies have cropped up on both sides ( McCain ) . God bless President Trump for having the guts not give in and fight.
12 TRILLION DOLLARS PRINTED OUT OF THIN AIR IN 37 YEARS!!!!
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"Israeli's are civilized"
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- - - who killed 550 Arab children and maimed 3400 (leaving 1000 permanently disabled) when they attacked the civilian population of Gaza with an army of tanks and air force bombers.
This appalling slaughter of innocents proclaimed to the world the Likud government's amoral devaluation of non-Jewish lives. One need only ask it it would have launched such a lethal, ...more indiscriminate assault if there were the slightest chance that those dead/maimed children would have been Jewish.
THIS is "civilized" Israel.
hhs, Its not the Jews cheering in the streets about killing Arabs is it?
Prior to 1967 the "nation" of Palestine did not even exist.The double standard you paint against Israel ...more is sickening, the people of Israel simply wish to live as a free people, un molested in a free land, and are unable to do so without scuds bning fired at them daily.
Seems some people simply cannot leave them alone to live in peace. Israel is attacked in the media because they respond to attacks upon innocent citizens.and on this board out of what seems like some twisted anti semitic hatred.
During which conflict did this occur ?
PAINT THE LINES BUDDY! IT"S BEEN 10 YEARS OR MORE>
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During which conflict did this occur ?"
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The atrocity was committed in July/August, 2014. There was no declared conflict. It was an extension of Israel's despicable "collective punishment"* of the entire Gazan civilian population by economic and political blockade.
(Ironically, the ongoing Israeli blockade of Gaza is an extreme version of the far milder sanctions that BDS proposes ...more and which irrational Israelophiles claim is anti-Semitic!)
Just another example of the casuistry that so often defines the arguments of Israeli apologists.
* "Collective punishment is a form of retaliation whereby a suspected perpetrator's family members, friends, acquaintances, sect, neighbors or entire ethnic group is targeted. The punished group may often have no direct association with the other individuals or groups, or direct control over their actions. In times of war and armed conflict, collective punishment has resulted in atrocities, and is a violation of the laws of war and the Geneva Conventions"[1][2]
- [1]"Collective Punishment" (Wikipedia)
- [2]Black's Law Dictionary (8th ed.), Garner, Bryan A., ed. (2007), p. 280
MAGA
Record 153,513,000 Employed...
Strength...
GREAT AGAIN !!! : Trade deficit drops...
TRUMP FIRES UP WEST VIRGINIA...
GOVERNOR SWITCHES PARTIES AT RALLY...
Republicans Have Full Control of 26 States...
He handed trump an economy that was close to what economists consider full employment, so you can quit your unjustified bloviating.
Remember when trump would mock Obama's employment numbers as "fake news"? Now he's bragging on the positive results of Obama's economic engine? Pathetic, but typical behavior of a con.
Unless you are willing to surrender ownership of your OWN home to the Shinnecock Indians, don't attempt to use prior ancestral ownership to rationalize Jewish theft of Arab land in the Palestine Mandate.
One notes - - - AGAIN - - - your defamatory allegations of anti-Semitism. Will you and your colleagues never rid yourself of the misconception that specious personal attacks rescue a bankrupt argument?
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to Taz:
No, ...more Taz, you are wrong, the U.N. did NOT create Israel. The U.K., the occupying authority in the Mandate, did. The U.N. passed a resolution RECOMMENDING the partition of the Mandate. The U.K., which was under NO obligation to accede to the recommendation, created Israel by its agreement to and enablement of the resolution.
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The fact is that Israeli apologists rationalize Israeli theft, despotism, and homicide by irrationally bestowing an exceptional entitlement on Jews so to act because the Nazis killed so many of them(?). They rationalize the Jews' reoccupation of Israel by further claiming that Jews have an ancestral RIGHT of ownership that exists for no other people or nation state on earth. And, finally, they cynically justify Israel's ongoing expansive thievery of West Bank Arab land and its despotic overlordship of FIVE MILLION(!!) Arabs on the basis of "security" concerns which, in reality, could be effectively addressed by the terms of an agreement to return the West Bank to its rightful owners.
The bottom line is that reprehensible behavior isn't transformed into moral behavior by virtue of one's membership in an exceptional ethnoreligious group - - - the arguments of Israeli apologists notwithstanding.
Some people will continually insinuate that Jews have no connection to Israel, or that the connection they do have doesn't matter. These people don't care or even believe that there was always a Jewish presence in the region. They insist that the only people with any connection are Muslims.
These are the same people that ignore the human rights abuses in many many countries and will only focus on "human rights abuses" in Israel.
These are also the same people that ignore ...more the fact that Israel gave up land for peace, and are still fighting the very people that were given the land. Most rational people have figured out that land for peace does not work out. Especially when Hamas is involved. These are the same people that do not know what is in Hamas' charter , or maybe they do know and they just agree that's always a possibility.
These are the same people that cry about the genocide of the Palestinian people, when ironically the Palestinian population has grown since 1948. These are the same people that accuse Israel of apartheid. These people don't know the definition of apartheid, and they gravely insult the people that suffered apartheid.
These people do not know the history of the region, insist that land was stolen when it was not, and condemn Israel for defending not only Jews but Muslims that do live in Israel. They also do not understand that BDS hurts Muslims as well.
These people insist upon calling Jews victimhood promoters wow they are productive individuals trying to live their lives, fighting off the actual victimhood promoters that are victims because of people like Abbas, not because of Jews or Israel.
These people are anti Semites.
Lies, misstatements, misconceptions, misdirections and unsupportable opinions, all of which have been refuted in our prior discussions. Your ENDLESS repetition of them makes them no more credible. (Although I do enjoy your only novel assertion - - - that genocide can't have happened if the victimized population has grown!)
AGAIN, in the absence of rational argument, you descend to personal aspersion, the habitual recourse of Jewish/Israeli apologists who cannot rationally ...more defend their prejudice.
The plain fact is that modern Israel was born of one the greatest thefts of our time.
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"Take a look at a map and leave Israel alone already. Why cant you let them have there little corner of the world. How do you defend the Yaser Arafat argument and terrorism? I am not jewish but really to me you look like the bully not DT
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For realpolitik reasons, I endorse Israel's existence. However, I will not close my eyes to the fact that its creation was a crime against the Arabs, nor am I willing to prostrate myself before patently phony, self-serving Jewish/Israeli propaganda - - - no matter how often it is proclaimed nor how often I am defamed.
Lastly, as I have often noted previously, I in no way rationalize the depravity of Muslim terrorists or condone their murderous behavior. Nor do I do so for the Israelis. It is this impartial objectivity that fanatical Israelophiles cannot abide.
More delusional diatribe...
Let me know your address, Biba. I'll give it to the Shinnecock Indian tribal leadership. Have your deed ready. They'll be coming over to reclaim your home as their ancestral right. (I know that you have no objections since you have repeatedly asserted your belief in the supervening right of such claims.)