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Sep 12, 2017 9:49 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

Sep 13, 2017 10:46 AM

After initially supporting a $7.85 billion standalone aid package for Hurricane Harvey relief efforts early last week, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin changed course midweek, voting against the relief act once it grew to a $15.25 billion measure and incorporated a bipartisan deal to raise the debt ceiling. The bill was ultimately approved in the House, 316-90.

Friday’s final vote came after President Donald Trump met with Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer and Minority House Leader Nancy Pelosi and agreed to increase the amount of relief money from the initial proposition, as well as to wrap in a continuing resolution to fund the government until December 15 and lift the debt ceiling for the next three months—a deal that drew anger from some congressional Republicans.

Mr. Zeldin took to his Facebook page on Friday: “This proposal stood tall on its own, but it was all downhill from there,” he wrote. “A three-month debt limit increase and extension to the National Flood Insurance Program were added without ANY desperately needed reforms. A three-month continuing resolution was added as well. For years, I’ll be scratching my head why this all devolved so much, so fast, in that Oval Office meeting with Pelosi and Schumer earlier this week.”

A week earlier, Mr. Zeldin had said of the hurricane relief efforts in Texas: “I am fully, completely committed to do whatever I can … to assist. Regardless of whether you’re a fellow New Yorker or a Texan, we want to be as helpful as possible.”

A couple of Democratic candidates running for Mr. Zeldin’s seat next November took advantage of the opportunity.

Former Suffolk County Legislator Vivian Viloria Fisher of Setauket had harsh words for her potential opponent. “Lee Zeldin’s vote against fellow Americans is shameful,” she said on Saturday. “If we let partisan battles get in the way of helping one another as a country, then who will be there for Long Islanders when our next big storm hits? This is a dangerous and callous precedent to set for coastal Long Island.”

Perry Gershon of East Hampton, another Democratic candidate, also criticized the sitting congressman. “Today Lee Zeldin turned his back on Americans in desperate need of help, all in the service of a right-wing ideological cause,” he said in a press release on Friday.

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Everything was fine when it was all about Harvey relief.
Then along came Schumer and Pelosi.
By loading... (508), quiogue on Sep 12, 17 10:16 AM
They cant have a standalone bill. It would make too much sense. They have to add things to it that some people may be opposed to and then politicize it. I saw several headlines naming people who didn't vote for the bill claiming they were heartless for not wanting to help hurricane victims when in reality they didn't like the addons. Ridiculous!
By razza5350 (1857), East Hampton on Sep 12, 17 10:36 AM
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What else could be expected? A choice between ideological purity and the critical welfare of his countrymen. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.
By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 12, 17 12:08 PM
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What else could be expected. The resident nocturnal percussion engineer doesn't get it right. What happened was that Chuck and Nancy took a pure bipartisan aid bill and tainted it with debt ceiling wording. The move was so egregious that members of Congress from TX voted against it. But of course Chuck and Nancy played politics with money meant to do no more than help Americans. That's what professional elite Democrats have always done. Push their agenda using Americans in need as their Oxen.
Sep 12, 17 12:44 PM appended by even flow
this is classic: "the unfortunate fact is that the Honorable Lee would likely vote exactly the same way if ..." If they were facts, you wouldn't be using the words ''likely'' or ''if''. You were saying what about intellect, now?
By even flow (419), East Hampton on Sep 12, 17 12:44 PM
to even flow:

As expected, one of the forum Right-Wing intellects has failed to note that the four Texas Republican congressmen who voted against Harvey, like The Honorable Lee himself, where from districts unaffected by the hurricane. Psychopaths CANNOT, by their very natures, be moved by compassion.

Moreover, the unfortunate fact is that the Honorable Lee would likely vote exactly the same way if the East End were hit. In comparison to his faith, the suffering of a true believer's ...more
By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 12, 17 2:15 PM
to even flow:
As if the debt ceiling would be voted down even if unencumbered, or that the Texans didn't know the bill would pass.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 2:30 PM
Drain the swamp - start with McConnel, McLaim and Ryan
By Ditch Bum (264), Water Mill on Sep 12, 17 4:19 PM
Morally bankrupt leftists see nothing wrong with tacking on crap that they know would not fly on its' own. Time for the debt ceiling rubber stamp to be taken away from the children.
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 12, 17 3:21 PM
Yet more idiocy.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 4:58 PM
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Morally bankrupt is believing in "capitalism" after FOUR decades of failure, with 2008 being the coup de grace.

Laffer was an appropriate nomen. It is to laugh...
Sep 12, 17 7:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
AND, if you think people appropriating mortgages they couldn't afford was the "problem", you're a *****n idiot.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:46 PM
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America GREAT again ! Median incomes rises to highest on record ! Middle-class income has hit highest level on record , Census Bureau reports !

Media does not care will never give President Trump a fair assesment, new study shows Trump News Coverage 91% N E G A T I V E... The broadcast network evening newscasts remain as hostile as ever towards President Trump and his agenda, Analyzing the networks’ spin makes it clear that the goal of all of this heavy coverage is not to promote ...more
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 12, 17 3:58 PM
Reporting anything positive re: drumpf would be the epitome of fake news. No there there, Bucko.
All this good economic news covers 2014-2016, and is thanks to President Obama
The typical household’s income rose more from 2014 to 2016 than in any other two-year period on record (with data back to the 1960s), poverty declined, and the share of Americans without health insurance fell to a record low. This marks the first time on record, with data back to 1988, that ...more
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 6:38 PM
#fakenews
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:55 PM
June, you couldn't support those outrageous claims if your life depended on it. And, I hereby challenge you to produce data from an objective source that supports:

1.) "typical" household income rose more from 2014 to 2016 than in any other two-year period on record.

2.) poverty declined

3.) health insurance is an anomaly. There's never been a law requiring people to buy it else pay a fine enforced by the IRS.

But, you go ahead on numbers 1 and 2.
Sep 13, 17 7:37 AM appended by even flow
nevermind...I took part of your post and did a google search on it and you copied, word for word, the data put out by obama's census team. Hahahaha. You are a stone cold mark.
By even flow (419), East Hampton on Sep 13, 17 7:37 AM
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Evenflow, are you surprised that these posers( uh sorry, posters) don't have the ability to formulate an original thought?
By dnice (1929), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:09 PM
LOL
By dbnyeve (17), wading river on Sep 19, 17 5:26 PM
What fake right wing nut web-site did you get that off? 27 dan, did your income go up?, do you pay less taxes?, is your healthcare premiums as promised by Donnie Johnnie going down with better coverage? Fantasy news brought to you by Breibart and Alex Jones, what a joke!
By Mets fan (727), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:29 PM
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Cankles is in reality a soul sucking succubus ! Any association with her has ended very badly...Vince Foster, Bed warmer Huma, Anthony the Pedophile, Stevens and Rich...the list is long. Just Imagine an alternate reality where Hillary won. Then Trump chronicles 'What Happened'.
He goes on a book tour to begin The Blame Game. He lashes out at everyone and everything. What would Hillary and her media do? They would laugh and move-on.
So should we.
By joe hampton (2833), The Hamptons on Sep 12, 17 4:42 PM
You crack us up, joe hampton. The only humans your idol, the sick jackass, hasn't lashed out against or criticized are the Russkis. And whom hasn't he blamed for the failure to repeal the ACA?
Sep 12, 17 5:08 PM appended by June Bug
And high time you "moved on". What's with your obsession---you just can't quit her apparently. Don't worry, she wouldn't like you either. At all.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 5:08 PM
You might want to practice what you preach JuneZ! The Hill lost and Trump is our President, move on.
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 12, 17 5:49 PM
IF ONLY WE COULD ESCAPE THE sob.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 6:23 PM
Simple is, as simple does.

Just because you turn a profit, it doesn't make you smart.
Sep 12, 17 7:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
It just means you can add and subtract, and fill a need. It ain't Trigonometry.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:51 PM
Forensics show Vince Foster committed suicide.

BUT, you think climate change is a hoax.

"Stupid is, as stupid does.."
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 8:14 PM
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Amazon and Walmart are discounting Hillary's new book 40% before it's even released.

What Happened?
By loading... (508), quiogue on Sep 12, 17 9:24 PM
All those record breaking numbers came under Barack Obama's watch and budget. Thanks a Democrat for your good fortune!!
By Mets fan (727), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:45 PM
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I take no small measure of Schadenfreude knowing Hillary greets each remaining day of her miserable life with the cold reality of her abject failure in being beaten by a celebrity businessman with no prior political experience who rallied and led a group of forgotten Americans whom she called a basket of deplorables.
By Undocumented Democrat (1465), southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:48 PM
bull****
Sep 12, 17 7:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
@ UD
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:40 PM
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No Z, she knows she lost a no lose election. She was that unlikeable.
By dnice (1929), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:12 PM
But of course. Why provide aid to those most in need when one can mount the purely partisan grandstand? Zeldin digs in his heels as the partisan brakes have already been locked and the wheels of government securely chocked when the reasonable action would have been a vote in favor the bipartisan deal incorporating aid and a necesary raise of the debt ceiling.

Zeldin simply agrees to be disagreeable. To paraphrase a famous Daily News headline "Zeldin to Victims: Drop Dead!"
By VOS (952), WHB on Sep 12, 17 7:00 PM
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He epitomizes slime in the way any trump sycophant can be genuinely characterized. His kind is mostly reviled.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 7:42 PM
The oldest sins cast the longest shadows.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:59 PM
Good Job Lee. We're all behind your common sense approach to governing.
By BillWillConn3 (137), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 10:16 PM
What exactly makes sense about obstructionism, particularly when it hurts millions of Americans facing great hardship from a natural disaster?

Where is Zeldin's plan? What are his accomplishments? If simply sitting on his butt parroting the same old tired partisan crap is good enough for you, you'll find yourself very disappointed a little over a year from now. America is tired of feeding the creatures of the swamp - fresh blood with fresh ideas is long overdue.
By VOS (952), WHB on Sep 12, 17 10:55 PM
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So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving.
By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 13, 17 9:43 AM
Sweden Releases ‘Sex Guidebook’ to Teach Young Migrants Not to Rape

Perfect.
Sep 13, 17 10:36 AM appended by 27dan
Gosh, what a brilliant strategy! All these savage misogynists needed was a guidebook telling them it's OK for women to say no! Think of the implications, folks. We can eliminate rape and other sex crimes in America by 2019 if we simply translate this book and distribute it to every school, courtroom and prison in this country. Leave it to the Swedes to show us the 21st century way of fighting crime! I can't wait to see their next migrant guidebook: "Why Mass-Murdering Non-Muslims is a Not Nice Thing."
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 13, 17 10:36 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving."
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The rest of us are enjoying watching you invert yourself in an empty barrel in order to suck the "good news" out of the crevices at the bottom.
By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 13, 17 10:37 AM
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By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 13, 17 11:02 AM
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By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 13, 17 11:57 AM
to Po Boy:

Uncalled for, low-low vulgarity, Po Boy. Little children read these comments, for goodness sake. (Confirmed by the fact that some are actually posting disguised as Right-Wing adults.)

Shame on you!
By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 14, 17 9:02 PM
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By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 7:46 AM
NOW BITTER HILLARY BLAMES BERNIE!
61% Say Time TO RETIRE...
Defiant Hillary To Dems: ‘I’m Not Going Anywhere’

Former secretary of state and twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has a message for Democrats who want her to fade into the background: she’s not going anywhere. ROTFLOL

YES,
HILLARY FOR DNC CANDIDATE 2020 ! GET YOUR POPPING CORN READY !
By They call me (2070), southampton on Sep 13, 17 5:36 PM
Hillary drawing more than 50 sycophants proves that the Democrat Party is finished, AMF !
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 13, 17 7:42 PM
Come on.

You even once took the time to lecture me about "taking advantage" of one's circumstances. I guess one's advantage is dependent on their scruples...
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 13, 17 10:15 PM
. . . and you ain't got any.
By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 14, 17 8:51 AM
Don't you have a movie theater somewhere to defile?
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 16, 17 12:45 PM
Haha, you got to admit that is a good one pw.
By dnice (1929), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:13 PM
Bill Clinton I am not.
By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 17, 17 8:26 PM
“The day they lay you away what I do on your grave won't pass for flowers.” (The Shootist)
By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 17, 17 8:29 PM
Secretarr Steven Mnuchinnrequested use of a government jet to take im and his wife on their hon ymoon in Scotland, France and Italy earlier tais summer, sparking an “inquiry” by The Treasury Department's Offi e of Inspector oeneral, sources tell ABC News. Arhethese leople so on the take than nothing is too preposterous and all perspective and/or c/gr zance of wrongdoing is simply gone? Talk about a swamp---er, more like a superfund site.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 13, 17 7:46 PM
You do realize it was a REQUEST...it didn't actually take place. Your use of "use" is no surprise blatantly FALSE. From How Government Officials Fly: "Once they become very high-ranking — to the level of a three- or four-star flag officer or an assistant secretary of a cabinet level position — due to the value of their time, private military travel may be approved." All travel at this level is highly scrutinized, with even admirals and generals requiring Secretary of Defense approval ...more
Sep 14, 17 8:04 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
A spokesman for the Treasury Department told ABC News that the secretary requested government travel for his honeymoon out of a concern for maintaining a secure method of communication. “The Secretary is a member of the National Security Council and has responsibility for the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence," the spokesman said in a statement. "It is imperative that he have access to secure communications, and it is our practice to consider a wide range of options to ensure he has these capabilities during his travel, including the possible use of military aircraft."
By Mr. Snerdley (334), Southampton on Sep 14, 17 8:04 AM
Hey Snerdley:
You do realize the Treasury Department is not his slush fund.
You do realize the Air Force is not his private fleet.
You do realize the INTENTION does not nullify the impropriety.
You do realize the request was outrageous, and would be career-ending in any other administration.
You do realize the "secure communications" rationale was bullshiite, and applies only to those directly involved in national security.
What's next? Dems get DACA in exchange for US ...more
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 14, 17 1:59 PM
I would think and hope the Secretary takes his role on the National Security Council seriously. In the end and without the spotlight of public scrutiny, as the ABC source tells it: "... the secretary's office decided the use of military aircraft was "unnecessary" after it became apparent that other methods for secure communication were available."
By Mr. Snerdley (334), Southampton on Sep 15, 17 9:16 AM
Don't blame Zeldin. What junk was added to this bill? Schummer and Pelosi added millions of dollars on that has nothing to do with the storms. Thats why he voted against it.
By longislander40 (34), hampton bays on Sep 14, 17 11:15 AM
Why dont you paint lines and signs for handicapped at both Speonk and Westhampton LIRR statiins
/
before elections!!!!
By Ibill (47), remsenburg on Sep 14, 17 11:55 AM
Is this a question for Zeldin? If so, he could focus for the first time on something he may be able to actually accomplish since taking office.
By VOS (952), WHB on Sep 15, 17 11:47 PM
If you don't have extension of the debt ceiling, how can the Federal Government fund any hurricane relief?
By mcheck57 (1), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 17 2:50 PM
Off sets of discretionary spending.
By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 14, 17 3:16 PM
That's what every political hack who promises to cut taxes and increase services has promised since time immemorial. How's it working out so far?
By VOS (952), WHB on Sep 15, 17 11:50 PM
Cutting taxes has been promised and instituted - even Obama extended tax cuts, but increasing services? Who promised that?

So, as we are enjoying a significant recovery since the 2008 crash, one has to respond, it's working out pretty well. The crash that led to the 2008 crash wasn't because of tax cuts. The argument could also be made the recovery wasn't the result of tax cuts. But common sense would say, it's better to put more money in people's pockets at the end of the day, and tax ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (334), Southampton on Sep 16, 17 11:57 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving."
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The rest of us are enjoying watching you invert yourself in an empty barrel in order to suck the "good news" out of the crevices at the bottom.

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This ...more
By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 15, 17 10:40 AM
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By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 1:01 PM
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By highhatsize (3288), East Quogue on Sep 15, 17 6:17 PM
You know how things work around here hat - the double standard of, to use your phrase, at the "feed and grain." Apparently the same words when used as an adjective to describe public figures is taboo but ok when used toward another reader. Who knew?

I would LOVE for someone to explain it to me.
Sep 15, 17 7:47 PM appended by Po Boy
Edited: ...when used toward another reader as a verb. Who knew?
By Po Boy (208), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 7:47 PM
His mother wears combat boots.
By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 15, 17 8:42 PM
Hey Zeldin a-holel, your "boy" Donny Drumpf made this deal so you better support it just like you have supported all his other knee jerk decisions. As Drumpf himself would say "#weak" "#loser"
By Rich Morey (288), East Hampton on Sep 16, 17 11:00 PM
If democrats could manufacture a successful political run using seething hatred as a foundation you computer nerds would never lose
By SlimeAlive (549), Southampton on Sep 17, 17 7:31 AM
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Wallow in this:

How Big Business Got Brazil Hooked on Junk Food

As growth slows in wealthy countries, Western food companies are aggressively expanding in developing nations, contributing to obesity and health problems.

By ANDREW JACOBS and MATT RICHTEL SEPT. 16, 2017

Photographs by WILLIAM DANIEL
SEPT. 16, 2017 Ler em português Leer en español
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 17, 17 5:14 AM
Using the same playbook as the tobacco companies apparently.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 17, 17 12:09 PM
More anti big business tripe there JuneZ. Did the food companies tie down anyone and shove crappy food down their throats??!! Or did they somehow FORCE anyone to start smoking ? does the term PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY mean anything at all to the left?
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 17, 17 3:39 PM
So this is your defense for literal criminality? That it's the fault of consumers who were lied to for years and years when Big Tobacco knew of the health dangers? Go to youTube where you'll find TV commercials for cigarettes starring medical doctors urging you to smoke. Interesting, isn't it, that they'd go to that particular length to promulgate their lie --sort of like the proverbial Freudian slip. Despite the addictive nature of tobacco, it might have given some pause if they were instead ...more
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 17, 17 5:32 PM
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He always gives them a pass and blames the victim, despite one needs a college level organic chemistry book to read the ingredients on far too many products.

From brominated vegetable oil, petroleum based artificial colorings, to tetraethyl lead the dangers of such chemicals are known, and still corporations use them. U.S. foods have chemicals in them which are banned in other countries.
Sep 17, 17 8:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
Edit: "use(d)" Also, check out BHA and BHT. DELICIOUS!!!
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 17, 17 8:49 PM
Videos from the 50's ? Those videos? And warnings have been on packs of cigarettes for almost (or possibly over 50 years).
By Sturgis (203), Southampton on Sep 17, 17 11:02 PM
June, your inner anti business Z is showing again.
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 18, 17 6:34 AM
Yeah, right.

If you can't see the criminality and/or lack of business ethics in using harmful or banned food ingredients and toxic amounts of sugar in your product, you're beyond help.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 18, 17 7:20 AM
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TRUMP TAKES UN...
Slams Socialism...
Targets rogue regimes...
Threatens to destroy NKorea...
'Rocket Man on suicide mission'...
Draws applause for blasting Iran... MORE
BOLTON: BEST SPEECH OF PRESIDENCY...
By They call me (2070), southampton on Sep 19, 17 12:15 PM
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Not to mention the gestapo tactics of Monsanto forcing farmers having to use genetically modified seeds or no seeds at all, tainting adjoining organic farms, and literally destroying/toxifying American soil with pesticides and herbicides including RoundUp which Europe banned long ago.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 12:30 PM
Z... uhh I mean June. I agree with you about the GMOs but please tell us how it was different under obama or how It would have chanced with Hillary at the helm
By joe hampton (2833), The Hamptons on Sep 19, 17 2:07 PM
JAMES O’KEEFE: “In the coming weeks, you’re gonna see one of the biggest investigations this organization has ever done. It’s a continuation of American Pravda series. It’s aimed at the media. We’re going after their holy grail. We have tripled our journalists in the field. They are not even here, they are out there everyday. It’s gonna be big, it’s gonna be massive. If they think they can shut us down with this crap [lawsuit] they’re sorely ...more
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 18, 17 11:57 PM
Trump Vindicated: Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Trump Campaign
Paul Manafort, Rick Gates
The Associated Press by KRISTINA WONG18 Sep

5,440 U.S. investigators wiretapped President Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to a report by CNN that vindicates the president’s earlier claims, which were mocked as a conspiracy theory.
President Trump had tweeted on March 4: “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” ...more
Sep 19, 17 12:02 AM appended by 27dan
So when do Rice, Lynch, Comey, and Obama go to jail for crimes, corruption and perjury??
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 17 12:02 AM
CNN Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Paul Manafort During and After Campaign Including Convos with Trump.

If there really was rule of law in this country Lynch and Comey would already be in jail at a minimum.I guess those Democrats who have no problem with the Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign, will have no problem with the Trump admin spying on his next opponent ?
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 17 12:08 AM
Manafort ain't Trump. This is about him, not the POTUS.

They were looking at him hard for A LOT of reasons, mostly lies and Russian/Ukraine connections. His house was raided back in July. He was told to expect an indictment. Those orders to surveille him were well before he worked for Trump.

Seems like facts are kryptonite to a "right winger".

Weak, and sad...
Sep 19, 17 1:01 AM appended by Mr. Z
“If I represented Paul Manafort, I would conclude that my client has significant criminal liability,” ~ Renato Mariotti, partner at Thompson Coburn and former U.S. Attorney's office prosecutor
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 1:01 AM
From the AP wire:

The Justice Department began looking at Manafort’s work in Ukraine around the beginning of 2014, as Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, was toppled amid protests of alleged corruption and Russian influence. Business records obtained by the AP show Manafort’s political consulting firm began working as early as 2004 for clients that variously included a political boss in Yanukovych’s party, a Ukrainian oligarch and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian businessman ...more
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 1:11 AM
27 dan:

Donald Trump still has no evidence that his wiretapping claim was right

By Chris Cillizza, Editor-at-large
Updated 12:17 PM ET, Tue September 19, 2017

The Manafort wiretapping doesn't even come close to proving that Trump's claim was or is right.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court had OK'd two separate wiretaps on Manafort -- one in 2014 tied to Manafort's work in Ukraine and and a second focused on Russian involvement in the 2016 election ...more
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 12:54 PM
They were "wiretapping" Manafort.

Trump was stupid enough to hire him.

What a crybaby.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:19 PM
STOCKS HIT ANOTHER RECORD HIGH...

DOW Up 4,000 Points Since President Trump Elected ! Unemployment numbers Down Down Down !
By They call me (2070), southampton on Sep 19, 17 12:14 PM
M2 Jan 4, 1997: 3.8 Trillion dollars

M2 Sept. 14, 2017: 13.6 Trillion dollars


Don't you know how money works?
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:23 PM
TRUMP SPANKS THE WORLD but it's TOO LATE to reform this anti-America and corrupt UN ruled by Arabs, Communists/Socialists, and supported by the far Left who are never America First! He also spanked Obama and his Iran and Paris "one-sided" agreements! America's Socialists/Democrats are now hiding in their Safe Space!

OBAMA will eventually lead the UN to rule against the USA. His ego demands it! When, not if, that happens, it will be time to get out of the UN and for them to get out of the ...more
By joe hampton (2833), The Hamptons on Sep 19, 17 12:26 PM
So, which ignoramus savant right wing nutjob radio host are you parroting this week?
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:27 PM
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He delivers a speech before the world in which he tries to summon it to collectively confront "Rocket Man" (so so cute he can't stop himself from repeating his infantilism even in such an august setting) in one breath, then mocks the world for its efforts to prevent a nuclear Iran in the next. Nickname Boy embarrasses and disgraces us (and himself) yet again.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 1:16 PM
Could you please explain the "efforts" made to prevent a nuclear Iran?
By Sturgis (203), Southampton on Sep 19, 17 4:47 PM
It's been in all the papers. Where ya' been, Sturge?
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 8:14 PM
I don't usually read the "papers". Nah June you tell me , in your words. While you're at it I would love your thoughts on why Obama abstained from the UN Israel vote and the reason why Saudi Arabia was elected to the women's rights commission for the 2018-2022 term. I think of a few more conundrums that you can clear up for me .
By Sturgis (203), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 3:06 PM
It's quite refreshing to have an American President who puts America first! Surely you are OK with that JuneZ?
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 19, 17 1:58 PM
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“He’s an ***hole, but he’s our ***hole.”

~ GOP Congressman Duncan Hunter
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:15 PM
Your favorite destination.
By pw herman (614), southampton on Sep 19, 17 6:27 PM
Oh for god's sake, what leader of any nation would put his country last? And would it sit well with you if you were not an American and having donkeysnot like that shoved at you? I want to hear my president speak to the world about our values, not our "interests", and go before the rest of humanity family and deliver an uplifting, inspiring speech, not one of hubris, pompous scold, and bellicosity. And to start a speech to the world by listing what he's laughingly taking credit for and what ...more
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 8:10 PM
"Oh for god's sake, what leader of any nation would put his country last? "

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” Barack Obama October 30, 2008

Questions?
By Mr. Snerdley (334), Southampton on Sep 19, 17 11:21 PM
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Fact check time (courtesy of FactCheck.org):


• Trump boasted that “unemployment is at its lowest level in 16 years.” True, but it is a continuation of a years-long trend that predates his election.

• Trump misleadingly claimed that “we have more people working in the United States today than ever before.” Since the population constantly increases, that’s not unusual. The employment-to-population ratio isn’t higher “than ...more
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 11:51 PM
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So the guy who wants to explain how money works thinks there a CNN reporter and an ex-USA Today staffer who are in possession of all the facts. And they have a website. And "the facts" are all confirmed by these two guys in Florida. I sense an impending credibility problem.
By SlimeAlive (549), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:46 AM
Me thinks any hit piece by self-proclaimed "Fact Check" that begins with a statement then followed by a "true, but...", is caveated, or supported by opinion isn't worth the key strokes to respond. Looking at the Fact Check author's other "Fact Check" items is rather enlightening as well. Now, I have to go rinse the seething hatred off me.
By Mr. Snerdley (334), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 7:51 AM
The Wall Street Journal

Did Obama Know about Comey’s Surveillance?

The media is less interested in Obama Administration wiretapping than in how Trump described it.

By James Freeman
Sept. 19, 2017 4:28 p.m. ET
This week CNN is reporting more details on the Obama Administration’s 2016 surveillance of Manafort / Trump. It seems that once President Obama’s appointee to run the FBI, James Comey, had secured authorization for wiretapping, the bureau ...more
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 20, 17 6:13 PM
MAGA
By bigfresh (2836), north sea on Sep 20, 17 6:32 AM
You've been posting for years this is the greatest country on Earth.

Now, it needs to be made "great again".

Do you realize what you sound like to people who actually pay attention?
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:44 AM
Muhammad Ali was known as The Greatest. Yet, he was knocked out cold 3x. Your premise is flawed.
By SlimeAlive (549), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:49 AM
Comparing a sports star to a nation is a severely flawed segue analogy.

But, per your moniker...
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:31 PM
RATTRY

RESTORE AMERICA TO THE REAGAN YEARS !
By joe hampton (2833), The Hamptons on Sep 20, 17 5:44 PM
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You got the "RAT" part right.

Saint Ronnie and his criminal gang. Most indicted and convicted administration of the 20th century.
By Mr. Z (9145), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:28 PM
LOL EVERONE GO WATCH THIS on MEDIAITE .......LEAKED: Watch MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell’s Unhinged Outtakes…for Eight Crazy Minutes
by Aidan McLaughlin | 4:10 pm, September 20th, 2017
By They call me (2070), southampton on Sep 20, 17 7:15 PM
Hell Ya !

Reagan / Thatcher Pope / Pope John Paul II and The Dukes of Hazzard yeee ha.....

MAGA!
Sep 20, 17 5:52 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Hell Ya ! Reagan / Thatcher / Pope John Paul II and The Dukes of Hazzard yeee ha..... MAGA!
By Ditch Bum (264), Water Mill on Sep 20, 17 5:52 PM
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I see the regular meeting of the Mental Midgets of the Hamptons has been called to order. The idiocy---it is astounding.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 20, 17 6:08 PM
Wiretaps prove Trump was right — and that’s absolutely terrifying to the UN
The New York Post
By Michael Goodwin September 19, 2017 | 10:50pm

Over the years, a curious habit has taken hold at the United Nations. A body designed to strengthen the best of humanity has too often become a font of doublespeak and appeasement that protects the worst of humanity.

That tragic comity was shattered when President Trump played the skunk at the garden party and dared to ...more
By 27dan (2045), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 20, 17 6:15 PM
We are no longer even considering that our congress/DOJ/CIA/FBI or ANY Government agency is anything other than CORRUPT! Therefore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason t give ANY of those thieves/liars any sort of leeway. TERM LIMITS for EVERYONE in DC. and I mean ALL of them! IF you get a job as a CLERK you get it for 1 term ONLY! This CORRUPT POLITICAL GRAVY TRAIN has been going on for DECADES and has been grossly abused and it is time to STOP!
By They call me (2070), southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:24 PM
Why stop there, They? You're forgetting the band of grifters in the Executive Branch. 45 violating the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution, refusing to divest, profiting while in office, and costing taxpayers obscene amounts for his weekly trips to his castles and golf courses, the Secretary of the Treasury-- and now the HHS Secretary-- flying on our dimes. Then there's all we don't yet know. And for comparison---Poppy Bush's Chief of Staff was ousted when he wrongly used a car--a car--for ...more
Sep 20, 17 8:06 PM appended by June Bug
The Secretary of Health and Human Services proposed cutting billions from his agency. And, as a congressman, Tom Price was a long-time critic of federal spending. But POLITICO is reporting Secretary Price is more than happy to spend on himself, at your expense. Seems the Secretary has become fond of private jets. Five government jets in one week.
By June Bug (1219), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 20, 17 8:06 PM
Sag Harbor, Music Festival, Tickets, Nancy Atlas, American Music