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Sep 12, 2017 9:49 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Votes Against Bipartisan Harvey Relief Bill After Debt Ceiling Measure Is Added

Sep 13, 2017 10:46 AM

After initially supporting a $7.85 billion standalone aid package for Hurricane Harvey relief efforts early last week, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin changed course midweek, voting against the relief act once it grew to a $15.25 billion measure and incorporated a bipartisan deal to raise the debt ceiling. The bill was ultimately approved in the House, 316-90.

Friday’s final vote came after President Donald Trump met with Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer and Minority House Leader Nancy Pelosi and agreed to increase the amount of relief money from the initial proposition, as well as to wrap in a continuing resolution to fund the government until December 15 and lift the debt ceiling for the next three months—a deal that drew anger from some congressional Republicans.

Mr. Zeldin took to his Facebook page on Friday: “This proposal stood tall on its own, but it was all downhill from there,” he wrote. “A three-month debt limit increase and extension to the National Flood Insurance Program were added without ANY desperately needed reforms. A three-month continuing resolution was added as well. For years, I’ll be scratching my head why this all devolved so much, so fast, in that Oval Office meeting with Pelosi and Schumer earlier this week.”

A week earlier, Mr. Zeldin had said of the hurricane relief efforts in Texas: “I am fully, completely committed to do whatever I can … to assist. Regardless of whether you’re a fellow New Yorker or a Texan, we want to be as helpful as possible.”

A couple of Democratic candidates running for Mr. Zeldin’s seat next November took advantage of the opportunity.

Former Suffolk County Legislator Vivian Viloria Fisher of Setauket had harsh words for her potential opponent. “Lee Zeldin’s vote against fellow Americans is shameful,” she said on Saturday. “If we let partisan battles get in the way of helping one another as a country, then who will be there for Long Islanders when our next big storm hits? This is a dangerous and callous precedent to set for coastal Long Island.”

Perry Gershon of East Hampton, another Democratic candidate, also criticized the sitting congressman. “Today Lee Zeldin turned his back on Americans in desperate need of help, all in the service of a right-wing ideological cause,” he said in a press release on Friday.

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Everything was fine when it was all about Harvey relief.
Then along came Schumer and Pelosi.
By loading... (579), quiogue on Sep 12, 17 10:16 AM
They cant have a standalone bill. It would make too much sense. They have to add things to it that some people may be opposed to and then politicize it. I saw several headlines naming people who didn't vote for the bill claiming they were heartless for not wanting to help hurricane victims when in reality they didn't like the addons. Ridiculous!
By razza5350 (1910), East Hampton on Sep 12, 17 10:36 AM
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What else could be expected? A choice between ideological purity and the critical welfare of his countrymen. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 12, 17 12:08 PM
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What else could be expected. The resident nocturnal percussion engineer doesn't get it right. What happened was that Chuck and Nancy took a pure bipartisan aid bill and tainted it with debt ceiling wording. The move was so egregious that members of Congress from TX voted against it. But of course Chuck and Nancy played politics with money meant to do no more than help Americans. That's what professional elite Democrats have always done. Push their agenda using Americans in need as their Oxen.
Sep 12, 17 12:44 PM appended by even flow
this is classic: "the unfortunate fact is that the Honorable Lee would likely vote exactly the same way if ..." If they were facts, you wouldn't be using the words ''likely'' or ''if''. You were saying what about intellect, now?
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Sep 12, 17 12:44 PM
to even flow:

As expected, one of the forum Right-Wing intellects has failed to note that the four Texas Republican congressmen who voted against Harvey, like The Honorable Lee himself, where from districts unaffected by the hurricane. Psychopaths CANNOT, by their very natures, be moved by compassion.

Moreover, the unfortunate fact is that the Honorable Lee would likely vote exactly the same way if the East End were hit. In comparison to his faith, the suffering of a true believer's ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 12, 17 2:15 PM
to even flow:
As if the debt ceiling would be voted down even if unencumbered, or that the Texans didn't know the bill would pass.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 2:30 PM
Drain the swamp - start with McConnel, McLaim and Ryan
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 12, 17 4:19 PM
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Morally bankrupt leftists see nothing wrong with tacking on crap that they know would not fly on its' own. Time for the debt ceiling rubber stamp to be taken away from the children.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 12, 17 3:21 PM
Yet more idiocy.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 4:58 PM
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Morally bankrupt is believing in "capitalism" after FOUR decades of failure, with 2008 being the coup de grace.

Laffer was an appropriate nomen. It is to laugh...
Sep 12, 17 7:46 PM appended by Mr. Z
AND, if you think people appropriating mortgages they couldn't afford was the "problem", you're a *****n idiot.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:46 PM
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America GREAT again ! Median incomes rises to highest on record ! Middle-class income has hit highest level on record , Census Bureau reports !

Media does not care will never give President Trump a fair assesment, new study shows Trump News Coverage 91% N E G A T I V E... The broadcast network evening newscasts remain as hostile as ever towards President Trump and his agenda, Analyzing the networks’ spin makes it clear that the goal of all of this heavy coverage is not to promote ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 12, 17 3:58 PM
Reporting anything positive re: drumpf would be the epitome of fake news. No there there, Bucko.
All this good economic news covers 2014-2016, and is thanks to President Obama
The typical household’s income rose more from 2014 to 2016 than in any other two-year period on record (with data back to the 1960s), poverty declined, and the share of Americans without health insurance fell to a record low. This marks the first time on record, with data back to 1988, that ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 6:38 PM
#fakenews
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:55 PM
June, you couldn't support those outrageous claims if your life depended on it. And, I hereby challenge you to produce data from an objective source that supports:

1.) "typical" household income rose more from 2014 to 2016 than in any other two-year period on record.

2.) poverty declined

3.) health insurance is an anomaly. There's never been a law requiring people to buy it else pay a fine enforced by the IRS.

But, you go ahead on numbers 1 and 2.
Sep 13, 17 7:37 AM appended by even flow
nevermind...I took part of your post and did a google search on it and you copied, word for word, the data put out by obama's census team. Hahahaha. You are a stone cold mark.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Sep 13, 17 7:37 AM
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Evenflow, are you surprised that these posers( uh sorry, posters) don't have the ability to formulate an original thought?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:09 PM
LOL
By dbnyeve (19), wading river on Sep 19, 17 5:26 PM
What fake right wing nut web-site did you get that off? 27 dan, did your income go up?, do you pay less taxes?, is your healthcare premiums as promised by Donnie Johnnie going down with better coverage? Fantasy news brought to you by Breibart and Alex Jones, what a joke!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:29 PM
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Cankles is in reality a soul sucking succubus ! Any association with her has ended very badly...Vince Foster, Bed warmer Huma, Anthony the Pedophile, Stevens and Rich...the list is long. Just Imagine an alternate reality where Hillary won. Then Trump chronicles 'What Happened'.
He goes on a book tour to begin The Blame Game. He lashes out at everyone and everything. What would Hillary and her media do? They would laugh and move-on.
So should we.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 12, 17 4:42 PM
You crack us up, joe hampton. The only humans your idol, the sick jackass, hasn't lashed out against or criticized are the Russkis. And whom hasn't he blamed for the failure to repeal the ACA?
Sep 12, 17 5:08 PM appended by June Bug
And high time you "moved on". What's with your obsession---you just can't quit her apparently. Don't worry, she wouldn't like you either. At all.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 5:08 PM
You might want to practice what you preach JuneZ! The Hill lost and Trump is our President, move on.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 12, 17 5:49 PM
IF ONLY WE COULD ESCAPE THE sob.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 6:23 PM
Simple is, as simple does.

Just because you turn a profit, it doesn't make you smart.
Sep 12, 17 7:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
It just means you can add and subtract, and fill a need. It ain't Trigonometry.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:51 PM
Forensics show Vince Foster committed suicide.

BUT, you think climate change is a hoax.

"Stupid is, as stupid does.."
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 8:14 PM
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Amazon and Walmart are discounting Hillary's new book 40% before it's even released.

What Happened?
By loading... (579), quiogue on Sep 12, 17 9:24 PM
All those record breaking numbers came under Barack Obama's watch and budget. Thanks a Democrat for your good fortune!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:45 PM
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I take no small measure of Schadenfreude knowing Hillary greets each remaining day of her miserable life with the cold reality of her abject failure in being beaten by a celebrity businessman with no prior political experience who rallied and led a group of forgotten Americans whom she called a basket of deplorables.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Sep 12, 17 4:48 PM
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bull****
Sep 12, 17 7:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
@ UD
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:40 PM
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No Z, she knows she lost a no lose election. She was that unlikeable.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:12 PM
But of course. Why provide aid to those most in need when one can mount the purely partisan grandstand? Zeldin digs in his heels as the partisan brakes have already been locked and the wheels of government securely chocked when the reasonable action would have been a vote in favor the bipartisan deal incorporating aid and a necesary raise of the debt ceiling.

Zeldin simply agrees to be disagreeable. To paraphrase a famous Daily News headline "Zeldin to Victims: Drop Dead!"
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 12, 17 7:00 PM
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He epitomizes slime in the way any trump sycophant can be genuinely characterized. His kind is mostly reviled.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 12, 17 7:42 PM
The oldest sins cast the longest shadows.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 12, 17 7:59 PM
Good Job Lee. We're all behind your common sense approach to governing.
By BillWillConn3 (179), Southampton on Sep 12, 17 10:16 PM
What exactly makes sense about obstructionism, particularly when it hurts millions of Americans facing great hardship from a natural disaster?

Where is Zeldin's plan? What are his accomplishments? If simply sitting on his butt parroting the same old tired partisan crap is good enough for you, you'll find yourself very disappointed a little over a year from now. America is tired of feeding the creatures of the swamp - fresh blood with fresh ideas is long overdue.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 12, 17 10:55 PM
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So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 13, 17 9:43 AM
Sweden Releases ‘Sex Guidebook’ to Teach Young Migrants Not to Rape

Perfect.
Sep 13, 17 10:36 AM appended by 27dan
Gosh, what a brilliant strategy! All these savage misogynists needed was a guidebook telling them it's OK for women to say no! Think of the implications, folks. We can eliminate rape and other sex crimes in America by 2019 if we simply translate this book and distribute it to every school, courtroom and prison in this country. Leave it to the Swedes to show us the 21st century way of fighting crime! I can't wait to see their next migrant guidebook: "Why Mass-Murdering Non-Muslims is a Not Nice Thing."
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 13, 17 10:36 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving."
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The rest of us are enjoying watching you invert yourself in an empty barrel in order to suck the "good news" out of the crevices at the bottom.
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 13, 17 10:37 AM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 13, 17 11:57 AM
to Po Boy:

Uncalled for, low-low vulgarity, Po Boy. Little children read these comments, for goodness sake. (Confirmed by the fact that some are actually posting disguised as Right-Wing adults.)

Shame on you!
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 14, 17 9:02 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 7:46 AM
NOW BITTER HILLARY BLAMES BERNIE!
61% Say Time TO RETIRE...
Defiant Hillary To Dems: ‘I’m Not Going Anywhere’

Former secretary of state and twice-failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has a message for Democrats who want her to fade into the background: she’s not going anywhere. ROTFLOL

YES,
HILLARY FOR DNC CANDIDATE 2020 ! GET YOUR POPPING CORN READY !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 13, 17 5:36 PM
Hillary drawing more than 50 sycophants proves that the Democrat Party is finished, AMF !
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 13, 17 7:42 PM
Come on.

You even once took the time to lecture me about "taking advantage" of one's circumstances. I guess one's advantage is dependent on their scruples...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 13, 17 10:15 PM
Don't you have a movie theater somewhere to defile?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 16, 17 12:45 PM
Haha, you got to admit that is a good one pw.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 17 7:13 PM
Secretarr Steven Mnuchinnrequested use of a government jet to take im and his wife on their hon ymoon in Scotland, France and Italy earlier tais summer, sparking an “inquiry” by The Treasury Department's Offi e of Inspector oeneral, sources tell ABC News. Arhethese leople so on the take than nothing is too preposterous and all perspective and/or c/gr zance of wrongdoing is simply gone? Talk about a swamp---er, more like a superfund site.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 13, 17 7:46 PM
You do realize it was a REQUEST...it didn't actually take place. Your use of "use" is no surprise blatantly FALSE. From How Government Officials Fly: "Once they become very high-ranking — to the level of a three- or four-star flag officer or an assistant secretary of a cabinet level position — due to the value of their time, private military travel may be approved." All travel at this level is highly scrutinized, with even admirals and generals requiring Secretary of Defense approval ...more
Sep 14, 17 8:04 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
A spokesman for the Treasury Department told ABC News that the secretary requested government travel for his honeymoon out of a concern for maintaining a secure method of communication. “The Secretary is a member of the National Security Council and has responsibility for the Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence," the spokesman said in a statement. "It is imperative that he have access to secure communications, and it is our practice to consider a wide range of options to ensure he has these capabilities during his travel, including the possible use of military aircraft."
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 14, 17 8:04 AM
Hey Snerdley:
You do realize the Treasury Department is not his slush fund.
You do realize the Air Force is not his private fleet.
You do realize the INTENTION does not nullify the impropriety.
You do realize the request was outrageous, and would be career-ending in any other administration.
You do realize the "secure communications" rationale was bullshiite, and applies only to those directly involved in national security.
What's next? Dems get DACA in exchange for US ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 14, 17 1:59 PM
I would think and hope the Secretary takes his role on the National Security Council seriously. In the end and without the spotlight of public scrutiny, as the ABC source tells it: "... the secretary's office decided the use of military aircraft was "unnecessary" after it became apparent that other methods for secure communication were available."
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 15, 17 9:16 AM
Don't blame Zeldin. What junk was added to this bill? Schummer and Pelosi added millions of dollars on that has nothing to do with the storms. Thats why he voted against it.
By longislander40 (37), hampton bays on Sep 14, 17 11:15 AM
Why dont you paint lines and signs for handicapped at both Speonk and Westhampton LIRR statiins
/
before elections!!!!
By Ibill (47), remsenburg on Sep 14, 17 11:55 AM
Is this a question for Zeldin? If so, he could focus for the first time on something he may be able to actually accomplish since taking office.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 15, 17 11:47 PM
If you don't have extension of the debt ceiling, how can the Federal Government fund any hurricane relief?
By mcheck57 (4), Hampton Bays on Sep 14, 17 2:50 PM
Off sets of discretionary spending.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 14, 17 3:16 PM
That's what every political hack who promises to cut taxes and increase services has promised since time immemorial. How's it working out so far?
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 15, 17 11:50 PM
Cutting taxes has been promised and instituted - even Obama extended tax cuts, but increasing services? Who promised that?

So, as we are enjoying a significant recovery since the 2008 crash, one has to respond, it's working out pretty well. The crash that led to the 2008 crash wasn't because of tax cuts. The argument could also be made the recovery wasn't the result of tax cuts. But common sense would say, it's better to put more money in people's pockets at the end of the day, and tax ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 16, 17 11:57 AM
to Po Boy:

Quote:

"So much for Zeldin voting lock step with the President!

I'm enjoying the veiled compliments to President Trump his usual detractors don't even realize they're giving."
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The rest of us are enjoying watching you invert yourself in an empty barrel in order to suck the "good news" out of the crevices at the bottom.

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This ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 15, 17 10:40 AM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 1:01 PM
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By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 15, 17 6:17 PM
You know how things work around here hat - the double standard of, to use your phrase, at the "feed and grain." Apparently the same words when used as an adjective to describe public figures is taboo but ok when used toward another reader. Who knew?

I would LOVE for someone to explain it to me.
Sep 15, 17 7:47 PM appended by Po Boy
Edited: ...when used toward another reader as a verb. Who knew?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 15, 17 7:47 PM
Hey Zeldin a-holel, your "boy" Donny Drumpf made this deal so you better support it just like you have supported all his other knee jerk decisions. As Drumpf himself would say "#weak" "#loser"
By Rich Morey (370), East Hampton on Sep 16, 17 11:00 PM
If democrats could manufacture a successful political run using seething hatred as a foundation you computer nerds would never lose
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 17, 17 7:31 AM
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Wallow in this:

How Big Business Got Brazil Hooked on Junk Food

As growth slows in wealthy countries, Western food companies are aggressively expanding in developing nations, contributing to obesity and health problems.

By ANDREW JACOBS and MATT RICHTEL SEPT. 16, 2017

Photographs by WILLIAM DANIEL
SEPT. 16, 2017 Ler em português Leer en español
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 17, 17 5:14 AM
Using the same playbook as the tobacco companies apparently.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 17, 17 12:09 PM
More anti big business tripe there JuneZ. Did the food companies tie down anyone and shove crappy food down their throats??!! Or did they somehow FORCE anyone to start smoking ? does the term PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY mean anything at all to the left?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 17, 17 3:39 PM
So this is your defense for literal criminality? That it's the fault of consumers who were lied to for years and years when Big Tobacco knew of the health dangers? Go to youTube where you'll find TV commercials for cigarettes starring medical doctors urging you to smoke. Interesting, isn't it, that they'd go to that particular length to promulgate their lie --sort of like the proverbial Freudian slip. Despite the addictive nature of tobacco, it might have given some pause if they were instead ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 17, 17 5:32 PM
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He always gives them a pass and blames the victim, despite one needs a college level organic chemistry book to read the ingredients on far too many products.

From brominated vegetable oil, petroleum based artificial colorings, to tetraethyl lead the dangers of such chemicals are known, and still corporations use them. U.S. foods have chemicals in them which are banned in other countries.
Sep 17, 17 8:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
Edit: "use(d)" Also, check out BHA and BHT. DELICIOUS!!!
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 17, 17 8:49 PM
Videos from the 50's ? Those videos? And warnings have been on packs of cigarettes for almost (or possibly over 50 years).
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 17, 17 11:02 PM
June, your inner anti business Z is showing again.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 18, 17 6:34 AM
Yeah, right.

If you can't see the criminality and/or lack of business ethics in using harmful or banned food ingredients and toxic amounts of sugar in your product, you're beyond help.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 18, 17 7:20 AM
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TRUMP TAKES UN...
Slams Socialism...
Targets rogue regimes...
Threatens to destroy NKorea...
'Rocket Man on suicide mission'...
Draws applause for blasting Iran... MORE
BOLTON: BEST SPEECH OF PRESIDENCY...
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 19, 17 12:15 PM
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Not to mention the gestapo tactics of Monsanto forcing farmers having to use genetically modified seeds or no seeds at all, tainting adjoining organic farms, and literally destroying/toxifying American soil with pesticides and herbicides including RoundUp which Europe banned long ago.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 12:30 PM
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Z... uhh I mean June. I agree with you about the GMOs but please tell us how it was different under obama or how It would have chanced with Hillary at the helm
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 19, 17 2:07 PM
Really joe? This persona puckey yet again?

There is no genuine way to know what would happen. What if there was no anitpodal impact corollary to the Siberian Traps? How about the Chicxulub impact? What if that never happened? What if magma in the early Earth's crust didn't have enough water to breed cyanobacteria? Oh wait, that's Venus.

Speculation and conjecture are fruitless in at some junctures. The only thing that is for sure is that people are angry. Millions lost ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 12:39 AM
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JAMES O’KEEFE: “In the coming weeks, you’re gonna see one of the biggest investigations this organization has ever done. It’s a continuation of American Pravda series. It’s aimed at the media. We’re going after their holy grail. We have tripled our journalists in the field. They are not even here, they are out there everyday. It’s gonna be big, it’s gonna be massive. If they think they can shut us down with this crap [lawsuit] they’re sorely ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 18, 17 11:57 PM
Trump Vindicated: Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Trump Campaign
Paul Manafort, Rick Gates
The Associated Press by KRISTINA WONG18 Sep

5,440 U.S. investigators wiretapped President Trump’s campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to a report by CNN that vindicates the president’s earlier claims, which were mocked as a conspiracy theory.
President Trump had tweeted on March 4: “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” ...more
Sep 19, 17 12:02 AM appended by 27dan
So when do Rice, Lynch, Comey, and Obama go to jail for crimes, corruption and perjury??
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 17 12:02 AM
CNN Report Says Obama Government Wiretapped Paul Manafort During and After Campaign Including Convos with Trump.

If there really was rule of law in this country Lynch and Comey would already be in jail at a minimum.I guess those Democrats who have no problem with the Obama admin spying on the Trump campaign, will have no problem with the Trump admin spying on his next opponent ?
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 19, 17 12:08 AM
Manafort ain't Trump. This is about him, not the POTUS.

They were looking at him hard for A LOT of reasons, mostly lies and Russian/Ukraine connections. His house was raided back in July. He was told to expect an indictment. Those orders to surveille him were well before he worked for Trump.

Seems like facts are kryptonite to a "right winger".

Weak, and sad...
Sep 19, 17 1:01 AM appended by Mr. Z
“If I represented Paul Manafort, I would conclude that my client has significant criminal liability,” ~ Renato Mariotti, partner at Thompson Coburn and former U.S. Attorney's office prosecutor
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 1:01 AM
From the AP wire:

The Justice Department began looking at Manafort’s work in Ukraine around the beginning of 2014, as Ukraine’s president, Viktor Yanukovych, was toppled amid protests of alleged corruption and Russian influence. Business records obtained by the AP show Manafort’s political consulting firm began working as early as 2004 for clients that variously included a political boss in Yanukovych’s party, a Ukrainian oligarch and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian businessman ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 1:11 AM
27 dan:

Donald Trump still has no evidence that his wiretapping claim was right

By Chris Cillizza, Editor-at-large
Updated 12:17 PM ET, Tue September 19, 2017

The Manafort wiretapping doesn't even come close to proving that Trump's claim was or is right.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court had OK'd two separate wiretaps on Manafort -- one in 2014 tied to Manafort's work in Ukraine and and a second focused on Russian involvement in the 2016 election ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 12:54 PM
They were "wiretapping" Manafort.

Trump was stupid enough to hire him.

What a crybaby.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:19 PM
STOCKS HIT ANOTHER RECORD HIGH...

DOW Up 4,000 Points Since President Trump Elected ! Unemployment numbers Down Down Down !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 19, 17 12:14 PM
M2 Jan 4, 1997: 3.8 Trillion dollars

M2 Sept. 14, 2017: 13.6 Trillion dollars


Don't you know how money works?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:23 PM
TRUMP SPANKS THE WORLD but it's TOO LATE to reform this anti-America and corrupt UN ruled by Arabs, Communists/Socialists, and supported by the far Left who are never America First! He also spanked Obama and his Iran and Paris "one-sided" agreements! America's Socialists/Democrats are now hiding in their Safe Space!

OBAMA will eventually lead the UN to rule against the USA. His ego demands it! When, not if, that happens, it will be time to get out of the UN and for them to get out of the ...more
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 19, 17 12:26 PM
So, which ignoramus savant right wing nutjob radio host are you parroting this week?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:27 PM
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He delivers a speech before the world in which he tries to summon it to collectively confront "Rocket Man" (so so cute he can't stop himself from repeating his infantilism even in such an august setting) in one breath, then mocks the world for its efforts to prevent a nuclear Iran in the next. Nickname Boy embarrasses and disgraces us (and himself) yet again.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 1:16 PM
Could you please explain the "efforts" made to prevent a nuclear Iran?
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 19, 17 4:47 PM
It's been in all the papers. Where ya' been, Sturge?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 8:14 PM
I don't usually read the "papers". Nah June you tell me , in your words. While you're at it I would love your thoughts on why Obama abstained from the UN Israel vote and the reason why Saudi Arabia was elected to the women's rights commission for the 2018-2022 term. I think of a few more conundrums that you can clear up for me .
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 3:06 PM
It's quite refreshing to have an American President who puts America first! Surely you are OK with that JuneZ?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 19, 17 1:58 PM
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“He’s an ***hole, but he’s our ***hole.”

~ GOP Congressman Duncan Hunter
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 6:15 PM
Oh for god's sake, what leader of any nation would put his country last? And would it sit well with you if you were not an American and having donkeysnot like that shoved at you? I want to hear my president speak to the world about our values, not our "interests", and go before the rest of humanity family and deliver an uplifting, inspiring speech, not one of hubris, pompous scold, and bellicosity. And to start a speech to the world by listing what he's laughingly taking credit for and what ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 19, 17 8:10 PM
"Oh for god's sake, what leader of any nation would put his country last? "

“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” Barack Obama October 30, 2008

Questions?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 19, 17 11:21 PM
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Fact check time (courtesy of FactCheck.org):


• Trump boasted that “unemployment is at its lowest level in 16 years.” True, but it is a continuation of a years-long trend that predates his election.

• Trump misleadingly claimed that “we have more people working in the United States today than ever before.” Since the population constantly increases, that’s not unusual. The employment-to-population ratio isn’t higher “than ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 19, 17 11:51 PM
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So the guy who wants to explain how money works thinks there a CNN reporter and an ex-USA Today staffer who are in possession of all the facts. And they have a website. And "the facts" are all confirmed by these two guys in Florida. I sense an impending credibility problem.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:46 AM
Me thinks any hit piece by self-proclaimed "Fact Check" that begins with a statement then followed by a "true, but...", is caveated, or supported by opinion isn't worth the key strokes to respond. Looking at the Fact Check author's other "Fact Check" items is rather enlightening as well. Now, I have to go rinse the seething hatred off me.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 7:51 AM
The Wall Street Journal

Did Obama Know about Comey’s Surveillance?

The media is less interested in Obama Administration wiretapping than in how Trump described it.

By James Freeman
Sept. 19, 2017 4:28 p.m. ET
This week CNN is reporting more details on the Obama Administration’s 2016 surveillance of Manafort / Trump. It seems that once President Obama’s appointee to run the FBI, James Comey, had secured authorization for wiretapping, the bureau ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 20, 17 6:13 PM
Actually "Slime", the FISA warrant for Manafort's activities is public knowledge.

Sad you're so uninformed.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 11:41 PM
MAGA
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 20, 17 6:32 AM
You've been posting for years this is the greatest country on Earth.

Now, it needs to be made "great again".

Do you realize what you sound like to people who actually pay attention?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:44 AM
Muhammad Ali was known as The Greatest. Yet, he was knocked out cold 3x. Your premise is flawed.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:49 AM
Comparing a sports star to a nation is a severely flawed segue analogy.

But, per your moniker...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:31 PM
RATTRY

RESTORE AMERICA TO THE REAGAN YEARS !
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 20, 17 5:44 PM
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You got the "RAT" part right.

Saint Ronnie and his criminal gang. Most indicted and convicted administration of the 20th century.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 20, 17 6:28 PM
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LOL EVERONE GO WATCH THIS on MEDIAITE .......LEAKED: Watch MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell’s Unhinged Outtakes…for Eight Crazy Minutes
by Aidan McLaughlin | 4:10 pm, September 20th, 2017
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 20, 17 7:15 PM
Hell Ya !

Reagan / Thatcher Pope / Pope John Paul II and The Dukes of Hazzard yeee ha.....

MAGA!
Sep 20, 17 5:52 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Hell Ya ! Reagan / Thatcher / Pope John Paul II and The Dukes of Hazzard yeee ha..... MAGA!
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 20, 17 5:52 PM
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I see the regular meeting of the Mental Midgets of the Hamptons has been called to order. The idiocy---it is astounding.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 20, 17 6:08 PM
Wiretaps prove Trump was right — and that’s absolutely terrifying to the UN
The New York Post
By Michael Goodwin September 19, 2017 | 10:50pm

Over the years, a curious habit has taken hold at the United Nations. A body designed to strengthen the best of humanity has too often become a font of doublespeak and appeasement that protects the worst of humanity.

That tragic comity was shattered when President Trump played the skunk at the garden party and dared to ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 20, 17 6:15 PM
We are no longer even considering that our congress/DOJ/CIA/FBI or ANY Government agency is anything other than CORRUPT! Therefore, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason t give ANY of those thieves/liars any sort of leeway. TERM LIMITS for EVERYONE in DC. and I mean ALL of them! IF you get a job as a CLERK you get it for 1 term ONLY! This CORRUPT POLITICAL GRAVY TRAIN has been going on for DECADES and has been grossly abused and it is time to STOP!
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 20, 17 6:24 PM
Why stop there, They? You're forgetting the band of grifters in the Executive Branch. 45 violating the Emoluments Clause of the US Constitution, refusing to divest, profiting while in office, and costing taxpayers obscene amounts for his weekly trips to his castles and golf courses, the Secretary of the Treasury-- and now the HHS Secretary-- flying on our dimes. Then there's all we don't yet know. And for comparison---Poppy Bush's Chief of Staff was ousted when he wrongly used a car--a car--for ...more
Sep 20, 17 8:06 PM appended by June Bug
The Secretary of Health and Human Services proposed cutting billions from his agency. And, as a congressman, Tom Price was a long-time critic of federal spending. But POLITICO is reporting Secretary Price is more than happy to spend on himself, at your expense. Seems the Secretary has become fond of private jets. Five government jets in one week.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 20, 17 8:06 PM
Here's the truth. Carlin was smarter. Feel free to tune in, and turn on...


Culture Desk

George Carlin’s Shocking Prescience on the Nights Before 9/11

By Ian Crouch
September 10, 2016


n the nights of September 9 and 10, 2001, the comedian George Carlin performed shows at the MGM Grand casino, in Las Vegas, working through material that he planned to use at the taping of his next HBO special, in November. It was going to be called “I ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 1:56 AM
Beware of smoke screen ^^^^^^^^ deflecting from "Wiretaps prove Trump was right — and that’s absolutely terrifying to the UN"
The New York Post By Michael Goodwin September 19, 2017 | 10:50pm
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 21, 17 9:25 AM
You mean distraction from the fact Trump was dumb enough to hire a man who was the subject of an FBI criminal probe as his campaign manager? Begun in 2014, BTW...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 2:58 PM
to 27dan:

First, 27dan, in characteristic mendacious Right-Wing fashino, has deliberately misquoted the Post headline, leaving out the "may" in "Wiretaps MAY prove Trump was right ... "

Further, a reading of the article shows that it reaches this conclusion because Trump MAY have been caught on wiretaps of OTHER people when he telephoned them from Trump Tower (thereby "confirming" his assertion that his residence in the tower had been wiretapped.) It throws in some irrelevancies ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 21, 17 11:11 AM
Yes, the Right Wing media's penchant to cleverly create false impressions combined with their consumers' general inability to discern and/or question plus their adamant refusal to accept or even consider the actual truth results in a totally toxic brew.
We know Manafort's lived in trump tower since 2006, and under investigation since 2014. We know he was/is wiretapped. We know his contact with 45 has continued since his "ouster" as campaign manager, so what are the chances 45 hasn't ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 12:19 PM
"Yes, the Right Wing media's penchant to cleverly create false impressions combined with their consumers' general inability to discern and/or question plus their adamant refusal to accept or even consider the actual truth results in a totally toxic brew."

Wow. Now that's a mouthful.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 21, 17 12:25 PM
Whassa' matter? Complex sentences too difficult for ya'?

Herewith an up-to-the-minute example of that "mouthful":

How Matt Drudge became the pipeline for Russian propaganda

Drudge Report has linked nearly 400 times to RT, Sputnik News, TASS since 2012
September 20, 2017 11:05 AM

In July 17, 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing 298 passengers and crew. The next day, President Barack Obama alleged that the responsible ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 1:03 PM
While the Left gets embroiled in the semantics of what defines a "wiretap" it very deliberately avoids the message of even the NY Post article: That something is very rotten...even corrupt... FELONIES...in Washington, and has nothing to do with the actions of THIS President.


Sep 21, 17 1:04 PM appended by Po Boy
"All one needs is common sense to come up with an answer" you say June B". EXACTLY! From the Post article - "Which brings us back to the ultimate test: Did Obama or somebody working for him put Trump under surveillance during or after the election for the purpose of a political coup? It’s a frightening question, all the more so because I suspect the answer will be yes — if we can ever get to the truth."
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 1:04 PM
Oh I see, because the left is never guilty of cleverly creating false impressions? " Like the Affordable Care Act" that was never meant to be affordable or never meant to last . it was just designed to get everybody on a government ran system. It was a bait as a bait and switch yeah, with the real goal to get to an evil single-payer redistribution of wealth system .
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 21, 17 1:06 PM
Oh honey, haven't you heard? The ACA was designed by a right-wing think tank, and first adopted by Mitt Romney, Republican governor of Massachusetts where it's been popularly in place for many years. Can we please dispense with your claptrap?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 1:20 PM
You are going to cite the right-wing NY Post as rebuttal or some kind of "proof" and not expect to hear roars of laughter and derision?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 1:22 PM
to Po Boy:

Baloney!

The article infers and speculates and opines. That's the only basis for your unsubstantiatable conclusion that "FELONIES" have occurred.

Partisan drivel that the Post should have spiked in shame.

Quote:

Did Obama or somebody working for him put Trump under surveillance during or after the election for the purpose of a political coup? It’s a frightening question . . . "
-------------------------------

Are outer-space ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Sep 21, 17 11:05 PM
"That's the only basis for your unsubstantiatable conclusion that "FELONIES" have occurred."

Says you. Clapper flat out denied wiretaps and Comey denied while hedging. Now we know they existed. Why didn't either know? Clapper who was Obama’s director of national intelligence, issued a flat denial when asked if he knew of a FISA court order to wiretap the Trump campaign in 2016. Now he’s abruptly changing his story, admitting that Trump could have been recorded on wiretaps. Makes ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 26, 17 3:37 PM
Whoever said Mitt Romney was a conservative lol. He is a Rino, just like Mitch McConnell, John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Paul Ryan. The ACA was never anything more than a bait-and-switch and I stand by that. It was designed to implode then sneak in a single paying government-controlled redistribution system! You know it and you could not wait for it ! but now you'll never get it will you "honey" People have finally realized it was a scam nothing more than a hidden tax.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Sep 21, 17 5:53 PM
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Woo Hoo !

Widow G telling it like it is !

Truth is like it or not Trump is our president. His numbers are up and so is the economy! People love the way this guy he doesn't take any politically correct S*** from the progressives the media or UN!

Election night was truly the greatest night of my life. MAGA BABY !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 7:28 PM
Lady Gavits, you are one basket of contradictions. Can't discuss until you get things straight.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 7:46 PM
It was solidly a GOP design.

Lies and money have become the GOP "God".
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 8:10 PM
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Widow you are triggering Junezy LOL


Roy Moore: No Such Thing as ‘DREAMer’ Illegal Alien, Program Was ‘Never Passed by Congress’

Our country needs to close the door and lock it. Just like at home...and enforce the laws already on the books and build the wall.

Election night was truly the greatest night of my life. MAGA
Sep 21, 17 8:24 PM appended by Ditch Bum
I wonder what Nancy Pelosi thinks of the dreams of anchor babies.. now that they turned on their mommy.. this is what happens when you enable entitlement illegals.Stop sending money to RNC until wall is up.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 8:24 PM
Nice avatar Ditch, wow. Nice start to MAGA for sure :)
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 21, 17 8:31 PM
Obamacare was rammed through by a STRICTLY PARTY LINE VOTE, all democrat, no Republican votes. Your band of liberal fools owns it JuneZ, all of it.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 21, 17 6:03 PM
And the GOP owns 40 years of deregulation, economic bubbles, and failure.

Deal with it.
Sep 21, 17 7:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
The GOP authored the GLBA, and repealed Glass Steagall. Republicans OWN the worst economic trainwreck in over a generation. Sad...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 7:34 PM
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Why Republicans Have No Business Being Upset About Obamacare
October 29, 2013

By Robert Reich


While Republicans plot new ways to sabotage the Affordable Care Act, it’s easy to forget that for years they’ve been arguing that any comprehensive health insurance system be designed exactly like the one that officially began October 1st, glitches and all.

For as many years Democrats tried to graft healthcare onto Social Security and Medicare and pay for ...more
Sep 21, 17 7:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
It's not surprising you pulled the lever for a serial liar. You espouse lies and subterfuge.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 7:53 PM
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Robert Reich = Communist ROFLOL
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 21, 17 8:33 PM
Well then, he should be the subject of a FISA warrant and a criminal probe by the FBI.

As it stands, he's not. But the President's former campaign manager surely is...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 8:36 PM
Leave it to "progressives" to implement a decades old concept of a health plan (which they fought against at the time), conceptualized when the countries demographics were very different, and then when it has "glithces", blame it on Republicans who voted unanimously against it. That's not even getting to the lies upon lies Obamacare was sold upon of which one reason was to get Obama four more years in the White House and least of which, it's not affordable.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 8:58 PM
Well, they were the GOP amendments and ideas needed to even get it to a vote. The implementation you scorn was compromise with the other side of the aisle. Democrats wanted single payer. More lies, or ignorance?

Trump lies every day. You seem to be OK with that. "Dotard", LOL!

Here I thought the retort might have been "Honky Cat".
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 9:04 PM
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Fact-checking the GOP on healthcare reform

Senate Dems adopted 161 amendments and key GOP planks while soft-pedaling the public option. That’s not compromise?

By Ethan Sherwood Strauss
02.23.2010

As the healthcare reform bill waddles toward reconciliation -- a maneuver that would let the Senate pass certain budget-related provisions with "only" a majority vote -- Republicans are complaining, louder than ever, about being excluded from Democrats' efforts to craft ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 9:19 PM
That's some double talk you got going on. While Democrats wanted single payer, they knew it would never sell to the public, so they lied over and over again to the public to manage the outrage....you can keep your doctor.... premiums will decrease $3,000...

Obama lied every day...You seem OK with that? Frankly, I don't see Trump lying so much as him having IMO a boisterous communication style. YES, I'm ok with it. I'd rather have white lies, than hum dingers Obama style.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 9:23 PM
Well, the fact checkers beg to differ. If Obama LIED at the rate Trump does, the GOP would have had a field day. Do you know what "rationalization" and "justification" is?

Because you're a Poster Boy...
Sep 21, 17 9:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
And you do realize that the compromises made with the GOP caused the inability to "keep your doctor". What you call "double talk" in the legislative process is called "compromise", and the Democrats did a ****load of it crafting the ACA.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 9:27 PM
BTW, is it truly Obama's fault the insurance companies chose not to follow the "Grandfather rules"?

Let's buy you a clue: nope, it's not.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 9:40 PM
Please, Obama is untouchable.... always has been... always will be.
Sep 21, 17 9:45 PM appended by Po Boy
As Politifact notes when they fact checked the claim: Gutierrez says 'hundreds of Republican amendments' were a part of Obamacare" Gutierrez said that "hundreds of Republican amendments were adopted" during the drafting of the 2010 health care law. His statement has some basis, because Republican amendments were adopted in both the House and the Senate during the legislative process. Most of these amendments were not particularly meaningful, though, [caps for emphasis] SO CALLING IT A BIPARTISAN ENACTMENT EFFORT REMAINS A STRETCH.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 9:45 PM
Well, look at it this way if you care to.

The first attempt to undertake what one could consider health care reform was under the Truman Administration. It's taken that long to even get some type of law passed.

It may not be spectacular, but at least it's actual progress. Frankly if the "free market" was so adept at providing affordable health care, such a law would most likely have no need for proposal.

As it stands, well...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 9:57 PM
"BTW, is it truly Obama's fault the insurance companies chose not to follow the "Grandfather rules"?"

Why, Yes, it is his fault. It's Obama's signature legislation. But keeping your planis what Obama and a host of the water carriers promised. The "grandfather rules" was what he/they used to explain AFTER it came to be that people would NOT be keeping their plans. It was a useful lie at the time.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 21, 17 9:57 PM
The "grandfather rules" were there from day one. The insurance companies made their choice. If the company substantially reduced benefits or significantly increased premiums, the plan was scheduled to be terminated. How's that for customer service, eh? The bottom line is what it's about. Don't fool yourself on that one.

I do miss the old Vytra. Preventive care was rewarded. BTW, an Emblem Silver plan is about $400 a month. Includes dental and vision.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 21, 17 10:13 PM
McCain Saves Obamacare Again

As long as McCain, McConnell, Collins, and Murkowski are in the Senate, the Democrats control the chamber.

Don't even get me started on Democrat House Speaker Paul Ryan...
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 22, 17 6:10 PM
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I wept the night the Affordable Care Act passed.
by David Axelrod

Through my closed office door in the White House, I could hear President Obama and my colleagues cheer as the final tally came in from the House of Representatives that, at long last, would send the ACA to his desk. But I wasn't there. Sensing my emotions welling, I had excused myself from the gathering in the Roosevelt Room as the votes mounted and walked across the hall to be alone and collect my thoughts.
This ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 21, 17 10:02 PM
When I was a young man my parents taught me the difference between a politician and a statesman. Today John McCain once again demonstrated that he may be the only statesman in Washington.
By bird (817), Sag Harbor on Sep 22, 17 4:06 PM
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John McCain is a irrelevant spiteful attention grabbing failed presidential candidate. that needs to get out!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Sep 23, 17 9:46 AM
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John McCain is bitter at Americans for not making him President. He's bitter at Trump for being chosen President.

John McCain will now be forever branded as a traitor to his party, his country and himself.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 23, 17 10:03 AM
John McCain is a man facing his mortality and fighting back with the very best health care taxpayer dollars can provide. Perhaps his conscience no longer allows him to put yet another tax break for the wealthy in front of the needs of the many.

"A traitor to his party", thank God yes. The problem with his party and it's die hard supporters is that the Republican solution to everything is to give another tax cut to the rich while running huge deficit budgets.

All the stupidity put ...more
By bird (817), Sag Harbor on Sep 23, 17 4:12 PM
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Once again John McCain has made an argument for term limits !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 22, 17 5:55 PM
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Per your significant contributions and lucid logical arguments on this forum, we should absolutely take you seriously.

NOT.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 22, 17 7:24 PM
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Telling it like it is TCM ! Some people can't handle the truth. MAGA

Every one get out and enjoy this wonderful weather, DO NOT TURN ON THE NFL! Let those morons continue to protest our flag...the silent majority will win again! Love our President..never once regretted voting for him.

By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Sep 23, 17 9:41 AM
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By "silent majority" are you speaking of the 2000 players and coaches who observe the anthem in the traditional way or would you rather focus on a handful of players exercising their Constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech?
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 23, 17 2:09 PM
Leftists are rushing to smooch each other's beanbags in order to defend the pro criminal racists on their teams. As their audience continues to drop so will their incomes.
Sep 24, 17 12:08 AM appended by 27dan
The players are not respecting the country and the fans. I agree with President Trump I have no problem with what they do on their own time. Protesting on the field implies consent of the league, the team owner and teammates.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 24, 17 12:08 AM
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Of course there is the constitutional right to free speech, however , there is no guarantee that said speech is without consequences!
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 23, 17 3:10 PM
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Yes, like the lowlife in the Oval Office who is coarsening our culture and embarrassing us in the eyes of the world with his speech, and simultaneously busy alienating all except low-educated white males who have no idea he's helping the GOP take their healthcare away.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 23, 17 5:25 PM
The consequences being scolded by the likes of you and UD, neither of whom will address the topic of the 99.8% of NFL personnel who observe the anthem in a traditional fashion? I'm sure they're quite concerned about the moron bloc out there.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 23, 17 9:30 PM
"Coursening" our culture. Lol.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 24, 17 6:34 AM
Firstly , health care is different from health insurance JuneZ, moreover Your boy Barry Soetoro was the biggest embarrassment ever to sit in the oval office. Productive members of society pay for their own health insurance in one form another and have been royally screwed by Obamacare, . You have proven once again that liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 23, 17 6:59 PM
The only mental disorder is in the mind of one that defends a system which has damaged or destroyed untold millions of fortunes. The vast majority of which did nothing to earn such a fate.

The more likely problem is you have never been in a sufficiently destitute position. It tends to change one's tune...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 23, 17 9:14 PM
Your right Vos, it is there constitutional right to kneel and It is mine to choose to watch Baseball and tune out the NFL and ESPN ... I still watched college football on Saturday. I've always liked college over pro anyway. The end of Penn St/Iowa was what football is all about. Great game ! Not Interested in hearing some sports commentator talk politics.... that's the point! We watch sports to get away from liberal propaganda! Enough is enough! Eff the NFL.They made there bed just like the DNC!
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 24, 17 12:17 AM
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NFL players have a right to destroy their ratings
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 24, 17 6:33 AM
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Taking a knee to pray is still outlawed in professional sports.
Taking a knee to protest the flag and our nation is encouraged.

Enjoy the "game"
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Sep 24, 17 7:17 AM
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President Trump hit the nail on the head, it is the anti American disrespectful policies of obama that started this crap , They try to say Presidents Trump's actions do not represent America ? What they are accusing Trump of, is exactly what they are guilty of. Trump is standing up for what America stands for, while the leftists show us everyday their primary goal is tearing down what America stands for!

Whats unfortunate is how these owners and ESPN have destroyed the NFL, disrespecting ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 24, 17 10:38 AM
What skata. You're gonna' put the draft-dodging, dividing, mysogynist, racist occupier of the Oval Office out as some kind of model American, much less a model leader? The same horror who thinks the KKK and white nationalist neo-nazis are "wonderful people", but the black American who silently exercises his right to protest social injustice is an SOB? And that as president of a country, skata like this comes out of his sewer of a mouth?
And, fyi, to disabuse you of your ignorance, ...more
Sep 24, 17 9:43 PM appended by June Bug
And one more thing: You do know Kaepernik was protesting while Obama was in office. Per usual, 45 is making yet something else about him. It is not about him. Also, this is about dissent, not "disrespect". Dissent is patriotic, boys and girls.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 24, 17 9:43 PM
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And kneeling to worship an invisible being which controls all Creation is still not considered a psychological disorder.

Of course, if someone told you tomorrow that they talk to such a being, you may well run for the nearest police officer...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 24, 17 10:21 PM
Mathematics predicts a sixth mass extinction
By 2100, oceans may hold enough carbon to launch mass extermination of species in future millennia.

Jennifer Chu | MIT News Office
September 20, 2017


Daniel Rothman, professor of geophysics in the MIT Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences and co-director of MIT’s Lorenz Center, has analyzed significant changes in the carbon cycle over the last 540 million years, including the five mass extinction ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 24, 17 10:04 AM
PW Haaaa
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 24, 17 10:09 AM
madonna released a new album this week and only 3,848 in the world people bought It, let them keep trying to spite america and pay the price for there crazy view points
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Sep 24, 17 10:47 AM
Zeldin.

This article is about Zeldin and his turning his back on our fellow Americans in their time of greatest need simply to attempt to make some partisan political points. This is not a game; it is people's lives.

It is not about Madonna. Please try to pay attention.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Sep 24, 17 8:26 PM
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The Democrats tacked on a bunch of pork and being the fiscal conservative that he is , Lee did the right thing and voted no, a clean bill would have garnered his support, keep up.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 25, 17 10:37 AM
So as huge football fans in our house we have a new policy. As a family we have decided we will continue to watch tonight and next week... But going forward if at the time of respect for our great country anyone takes a knee we will turn off the rest of that game. The players have the right to be digesting and this is our right as American football fans!
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 25, 17 10:16 AM
I'm not sure why any of us really care about what you watch on television. Watch whatever you want, it's your life dude, don't let the television control you!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Sep 25, 17 10:57 AM
Nobody cares about what you or your spawn watch.
But obviously you don't care what they know about what it means to be an American. Do you teach them that dissent is patriotic? Do you teach them that a red, white, and blue piece of fabric doesn't have to be "respected", but that what it represents does. And that what it represents still doesn't apply to all, and that we're still striving for a more perfect union? But I'll bet dollars to donuts they believe there are some "very fine" Neo-Nazis.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 25, 17 11:20 AM
Sorry to hear that Dan. Good a time as any to get into watching soccer. Tennis, perhaps?
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Sep 25, 17 11:22 AM
vile , just vile
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 25, 17 12:52 PM
Kneeling is not, has never been, nor ever will be a sign of disrespect.

Soldiers kneel at the graves of their fallen comrades.

If you want to know how dumbed down this country has become, well...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 25, 17 3:18 PM
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Well kneeling in this particular case IS disrespectful.
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 25, 17 4:47 PM
Well then, as "Constitutional conservatives", please do explain to us where the First Amendment ends.

Besides crying out "fire" in a crowded theater...
Sep 25, 17 9:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. A military veteran compromised with and advised taking a knee. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 25, 17 9:35 PM
Actions that occur in the work place are certainly not covered. If it's done there then you at the mercy of your employer and/or the customers.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 25, 17 10:01 PM
Well, that depends on contract stipulations. If it's not spelled out, my that does open a legal avenue.
Sep 25, 17 10:03 PM appended by Mr. Z
Jerry Jones joins Cowboys in briefly taking knee before national anthem against Cardinals
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 25, 17 10:03 PM
I would guess that contract stipulations REQUIRE players to follow the NFL rules. Period.
Sep 26, 17 7:38 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
With the NFL following multiple codes of conduct and rules - one of which is the NFL game operations manual - with information circulating referencing standards for players during the anthem, we shall see whether the NFL sweeps the manual or even enforces the code. If could even be all bogus, who knows. But being the NFL is pretty much rule crazy, my guess is the rule that requires players to stand during the anthem as cited in the NFL operations manual is legit. The NFL leaves NOTHING to chance. so be it if the choose their own demise and don't enforce it.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 26, 17 7:38 AM
Kneeling when the National Anthem is being played is disrespectful.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 25, 17 4:32 PM
Oh please, bigfresh, such a righteous demand for decorous behavior. Have we heard a single peep out of you and now Mr. Sturgis re: the most heinously disrespectful lowlife America has ever produced, much less to squat in the Oval Office? Or the "disrespect" of openly killing innocent blacks and literally getting away with said murders?
Please spare us your cafeteria standards, OK?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 25, 17 7:55 PM
Your high horse is such as well.

A military veteran advised such conduct.

Are you a veteran BF?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 25, 17 9:43 PM
You mean the guy that refused to take a knee and told CK, "Look, I'll stand next to you. I gotta stand though. I gotta stand with my hand on my heart. That's just-- that's just what I do and where I'm from?'"

By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 25, 17 10:05 PM
Jerry Jones joins Cowboys in briefly taking knee before national anthem against Cardinals


Even losers get lucky sometimes, @Trump.POTUS

Sucks to be on the wrong side of history...
Sep 25, 17 10:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. I thought Christians knew how to genuflect...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 25, 17 10:12 PM
Wouldn't taking a knee before the national anthem but standing when it was played be HIS constitutional right? How is that the wrong side of history?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 25, 17 10:18 PM
What ??? ....tell me ...who's killing innocent black people? Cafeteria standards? Wow ok
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 25, 17 11:36 PM
Still not over Bernie and Hillary LOSING the election are you JuneZ? Nothing but more leftist drivel from our split personalities. Please cite some references to back up your assertion that there are those who are "openly killing innocent blacks ab=nd literally getting away with said murders".
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Sep 26, 17 6:43 AM
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Apparently a good Christian like Trump doesn't know what "genuflection" means.

I learned what it is at second grade catechism.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 7:31 AM
In second grade I learned that standing during the national anthem was a show of respect.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 26, 17 7:55 AM
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And in eight grade, I learned dissent is patriotic.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 10:03 PM
And I bet you stood and held your hand over your heart when you said the Pledge of Allegiance.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 26, 17 11:01 PM


OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR
Eric Reid: Why Colin Kaepernick and I Decided to Take a Knee

MARCIO JOSE SANCHEZ / ASSOCIATED PRESS
By ERIC REID
SEPTEMBER 25, 2017
In early 2016, I began paying attention to reports about the incredible number of unarmed black people being killed by the police. The posts on social media deeply disturbed me, but one in particular brought me to tears: the killing of Alton Sterling in my hometown Baton Rouge, La. This could have happened to any ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 25, 17 8:38 PM
You must feel strongly about the core issue June B to post such a compelling and well written OP ED example. So let's get specific. What examples are you referring to supporting "the incredible number of unarmed black people being killed by the police" that would indicate a systemic problem? Hmmm? The example cited, Alton Sterling btw had a loaded handgun in his front pants pocket and a record of violence including other gun offenses. Please enlighten us.

By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 25, 17 9:55 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 25, 17 9:55 PM
You see all those news stories about the Sudanese guy who shot up the church full of white people? Yeah, me either.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 26, 17 7:53 AM
Exactly!!!!!
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 26, 17 8:34 AM
BUSTED! NFL RULES REQUIRE ANTI-ANTHEM PLAYERS TO APPEAR ON FIELD
'Stand at attention, face flag, hold helmets in left hand, refrain from talking'
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 26, 17 4:14 AM
And you've been suckered again.

There is no such rule.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 7:32 AM
Isn't there? What does the game operations manual say? You know one exists and I bet it does address player conduct during a game. I even suggest the fact that it is being suggested it doesn't exist is possibly evidence that the "corporate monsters" are sweeping it as we speak. The NFL leaves nothing to chance... NOTHING. And in an attempt to manage damage control and clean their mishandling of the whole debacle, the NFL will further damage the golden goose in a cover up.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Sep 26, 17 7:45 AM
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USA TODAY online. The NFL’s operations manual states:

“During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start ...more
Sep 26, 17 5:19 PM appended by 27dan
I have sent my letters to boycott Ford Motor Co., Nike, Under Armour Inc., Hyundai Motor Co., Anheuser-Busch.... You can't have it both ways! Send these sponsors the message that it is not ok to disrespect the flag!
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 26, 17 5:19 PM
That's the "game operations manual", not the rule book.

Legally, "should" is not must, and "may" means little by means of enforcement. Should or shall were ruled by the Supreme Court to hold the equivalent meaning of "may".

In other words, you have no ground to stand on.
Sep 26, 17 9:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
WWII vet, 97, kneels in support of national anthem protests: "‘those kids have every right to protest."
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 9:16 PM
I agree they should have a right to protest ... Just like I have every right to pull my new truck order from Otis Ford... A major sponsor of the NFL and go look at Chevy instead
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 26, 17 11:54 PM
Now that's the mature attitude we've come to expect from "right wingers"!!!!!
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 27, 17 8:53 PM
seems reasonable or is it only good enough for you to protest mr z

and by the way , they will stand like it or not !
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Sep 27, 17 9:36 PM
After protesting inequality the players who make $22m per year to play 13 football games drove their Ferraris to the South Side Country Club where they had a team meeting and wound down with Grey Goose & tonics.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Sep 26, 17 7:25 AM
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Slime: Do tell us how money or position elevates black people beyond the reach of racism? How it prevented multi-millionaire LeBron James from having the N word painted on his door, or how it innoculated even a President of the United States?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 26, 17 7:27 PM
President should not be telling the Washington Redskins to change their name-our country has far bigger problems! FOCUS on them,not nonsense

9:09 AM - Oct 8, 2013 Donald J. Trump
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 10:15 PM
Businessman Trump was correct on that and as President is correcton this:

Sports fans should never condone players that do not stand proud for their National Anthem or their Country. NFL should change policy!
6:25 PM - Sep 24, 2017
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 26, 17 10:28 PM
They will change there policy and by Sunday !

72% of the American public is demanding it, They have little choice in the matter
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 27, 17 12:58 AM
What if players stand for the anthem but do it in a sarcastic / ironic way, like some will stand but not really mean it.

Also, what's wrong with being disrespectful ?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Sep 26, 17 10:17 AM
DirecTV Allows Some NFL Refunds After Anthem Controversy
Satellite broadcaster will let at least some customers get refunds for its Sunday Ticket package of NFL games if they cite players’ national anthem protests.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 26, 17 5:34 PM
Ethics chief leaves because 45 has no regard 4 ethics.FBI director fired.DEA chief leaves because 45 has no regard 4 law...So much winning.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 26, 17 9:13 PM
White House decided that next generation Air Force One will not have in-flight refueling capability.

Yep, totally "winning". Just like Charlie Sheen...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 9:36 PM
In-flight refueling and Charlie Sheen. Huh.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Sep 27, 17 5:15 AM
Moore wins Alabama Runoff

Trump strangely vexed he backed the wrong horse...
Sep 26, 17 9:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
Trump to Aid Puerto Rico on Navigating Bankruptcy
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 26, 17 9:48 PM
Decent people the world over are watching in horror as trump intentionally lets 3,000,000 BROWN Americans potentially die and/or forces them to permanently migrate --the wet dream of predators like trump's buddy, John Paulson, who has billions recently invested in PR putting him in on the ground floor of the next planned enclave for the very rich. Watch to see when he'll start buying up their debt. Now we hear trump won't lift the Jones Act as Bush and Obama did to get supplies into disaster ...more
Sep 27, 17 2:42 PM appended by June Bug
The man will never entertain helping those unable to enrich him either through business, or votes, or praise. Puerto Ricans, therefore, are worthless to him. And the duped still think he sought the office to work on their behalf. Sad.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 27, 17 2:42 PM
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MAGA !!!
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Make
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ANGER
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GRATE
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Again !!!
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Bullies united in Anger . . .

Yeah, that is a good start building Peace on Earth!

Fiddle! Fiddle! Fiddle!
By Nero (290), Sag Harbor on Sep 27, 17 6:35 AM
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RESPECT
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 27, 17 6:49 AM
Michael Hayden: In Trump versus NFL, standing up for free speech

BY General Michael Hayden
09/26/17 09:00 AM EDT


When I became director of CIA, I kept my Steelers season tickets. It really wasn’t a hard choice. My wife and I and the security detail willingly braved the Pennsylvania Turnpike for the nine-hour round trip to Pittsburgh since, no matter what was going on in Washington, when we settled into our seats at Heinz Field all that mattered for three hours was ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 27, 17 7:08 AM
CNN has been forced to admit Trump is winning fight against NFL!

Anti-American NFL Commissioner In Panic Mode After Seeing What His Protesting Players Have Caused

NFL gets billions of your tax dollars in Federal Subsidy - your hard earned tax dollars at work

BOYCOTT NFL...NOT RACIST...WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY...BEFORE FOOTBALL !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 28, 17 6:33 PM
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Those SOBs will stand tonight if they know whats good for them. You will see !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Sep 28, 17 6:45 PM
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Sure.

'Cause you told 'em so.

What a bunch of losers on "the right". Sad...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 8:26 PM
“This is about equality. This is about unity and love and growing together as a society, and starting a conversation around something that may be a little bit uncomfortable for people. But we’ve got to come together and talk about these things and grow as a community, as a connected group of individuals in our society, and we’re going to continue to show love and unity.”

~ Aaron Rodgers
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 8:29 PM
Arseanal plays Brighton on Sunday Dan. It starts at 7 so you'll have to be up bright and early for it.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Sep 29, 17 10:53 AM
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And the guy who created the dissembling wreck which is GOP economics comes clean:

I helped create the GOP tax myth. Trump is wrong: tax cuts don’t equal growth.

The best growth in recent memory came after President Clinton raised taxes in the ‘90s.

By Bruce Bartlett
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 7:16 PM
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and by the way , they will stand like it or not !



By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Sep 28, 17 7:48 PM
No, they performed as Aaron Rodgers requested.

It's his house.

The arrogance and ego of "the right" is nothing short of astounding.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 8:25 PM
You can lock arms if you like but.......

YOU WILL STAND FOR THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Good call Erin good call !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Sep 28, 17 8:28 PM
Yep.

And the cameramen get a free pass.
Sep 28, 17 8:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
It's a shame and a failure of the educational system that a bunch of ignoramuses consider genuflection a sign of disrespect. First time in human history. Sad...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 8:30 PM
The NFL has learned in one week what it took Hillary Clinton almost two years to find out, and that is, more people agree with Donald Trump.
Sales of NFL tickets at the online ticket re-seller site TickPick have cratered, dropping off 17.9 percent which is a number far worse than the average Week 3 drop off, according to the Washington Examiner.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 29, 17 5:57 PM
It took two years for Hillary to figure out how dumbed down this nation has become?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:32 AM
Deplorable even.
Oct 1, 17 9:36 PM appended by Po Boy
...which is proudly worn as a badge of honor.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 1, 17 9:36 PM
Losers. Sad.

genuflect

intransitive verb

1 a :to bend the knee
b :to touch the knee to the floor or ground especially in worship genuflected before the altar

2 :to be humbly obedient or respectful bureaucrats who genuflect before the governor

— genuflection play \ˌjen-yə-ˈflek-shən\ noun
Sep 28, 17 8:33 PM appended by Mr. Z
an act of bending the knee or touching it to the ground in reverence or worship.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Sep 28, 17 8:33 PM
Do you not recall how this all started and what Colin Kaepernick said about the flag and the national anthem?

"“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.”

Now, you are saying what he did was a gesture of worship? LMFAO.
Sep 29, 17 1:36 PM appended by Po Boy
Talk about the mother of all backtracking and rewriting of history when public opinion goes terribly against your woefully ill conceived methods.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Sep 29, 17 1:36 PM
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My favorite was MICHAEL VICK lecturing me on one of the NFL pregame shows about Donald Trumps lack of character.

You can't make this crap up!!!!!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Sep 29, 17 7:13 PM
Statement by Former CIA director John Brennan:

“Taking a knee during the national anthem shows respect for the flag and for all those who fouth and died for it and, at the same time, concern about problems within American society that need to be addressed. Pejorative and caustic comments about the practice show a disregard for one of the most important foundational principles of our great Nation-freedom of expression-as well as ignorance of the corrosive impact of conscious and unconscious ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:22 AM
Sure, everyone has an opinion, and let me be the first to say, who gives a rats patootie what former Obama CIA Director John Brennan says on the issue. Let's not forget where it all started...

Colin Kaepernick - "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 1, 17 9:30 PM
Disrespecting a 39 year military veteran.

My, how patriotic.
Oct 2, 17 5:45 AM appended by Mr. Z
And, treating the First Amendment as a matter of decorum is not very patriotic either.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 2, 17 5:45 AM
Please.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 2, 17 8:19 AM
You Tube ....National felon league Peggy Hubbard says NFL players are the problem not the cops.....

Watch the video people

And guess what
She's 100% correct

By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Sep 29, 17 10:06 AM
Looking exactly like the bunch of surly, sullen, spoiled babies they are, during Thursday night’s NFL game between the Green Bay Packers and the Chicago Bears, the players might have all chosen to be muscle-bound pouters while locking arms, but… BUT!… those very same surly, sullen, spoiled babies were all STANDING for the “Star-Spangled Banner.”

MAGA !
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Sep 29, 17 5:52 PM
TRUE DAT ! MAGA !!
Sep 29, 17 7:15 PM appended by Ditch Bum
TRUMP APPROVAL JUMPS TO 48%...
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Sep 29, 17 7:15 PM
Because it's what Aaron Rodger asked for. A sign of unity.

Maybe the right wingers here should move to Alabama. I'm sure they'd feel quite at home...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:23 AM
Trump ain't got it. The first and foremost quality of being a leader is honesty. Compulsive/pathological liars are inherently incapable.


Statement by Former CIA director John Brennan:

“Taking a knee during the national anthem shows respect for the flag and for all those who fouth and died for it and, at the same time, concern about problems within American society that need to be addressed. Pejorative and caustic comments about the practice show a disregard for one ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:26 AM
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Still trolling, eh?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:44 AM
Four Star General, and 39 YEAR military veteran:

Michael Hayden: In Trump versus NFL, standing up for free speech

By General Michael Hayden
09/26/17 09:00 AM EDT


When I became director of CIA, I kept my Steelers season tickets. It really wasn’t a hard choice. My wife and I and the security detail willingly braved the Pennsylvania Turnpike for the nine-hour round trip to Pittsburgh since, no matter what was going on in Washington, when we settled into our ...more
Oct 1, 17 8:54 AM appended by Mr. Z
Yes, you've been used and aren't smart enough to know it: "There were tough choices to make: respect for the flag, respect for the anthem, respect for your teammates, respect for justice, respect for your fans, respect for free speech. The president had created what logicians call a false dilemma, that support for free speech or for teammates equated to disrespect for flag, anthem or country. And he did it for political advantage."
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 1, 17 8:54 AM
It's funny how the left doesn't know the difference between a troll and a retort.....
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 1, 17 9:32 AM
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Mr Z I went and watched the video you recommended on you tube

"Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro Infiltrate 'Antifa' Group, Capture Members Planning Politcal Violence.

Oh My Godddd
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 1, 17 3:43 PM
Like their dumbass (and autocratic) idol, not a single one of the flag-wavers on this thread has any idea of what the freedom said flag represents, or what it means to be a bona fide patriot. The Supreme Court has said there can be no mandate by the government or any entity to salute the flag or to stand for the national anthem. Do take a minute and try to understand:

This Culture War Isn’t about the Flag, it's About Conscience
by DAVID FRENCH September 27, 2017 3:42 ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 1, 17 12:37 PM
Typical Democrat. The media told her to be upset about the anthem and the NFL and voilia' over night she is a legal scholar on the anthem and the NFL. hahahaha
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 7:55 AM
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Slime, bigfresh: Typical of those who cherish their freedoms enshrined in the Constitution and the laws of the United States-- but not those of others-- to attack anyone attempting to educate them on what is actually encased in those documents. Just have a childish/mocking response when things aren't geared toward or limited to your sense of white entitlement/superiority, or when truth can't be handled. That'll surely result in making your world view a reality, and legitimately condemn those ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 2, 17 1:02 PM
JB, you aren't really lecturing on civility are you?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 3:04 PM
They'll understand when the stadium is empty...only then.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 1, 17 3:29 PM
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Jeez Junez your antifa buddies could take a lesson from your post
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 2, 17 3:47 AM
Thank a right wing nut and the NRA, that continues their agenda. That every mental defective has the constitutional right to a gun. Thank Nevada for making it so easy to purchase any gun you like. Rigorous background checks with making the process as difficult as possible is only sensible.. Kind of like what the Republicans would like to do with voting rights. Let's see if it is so important that Drumpf calls it what it is, radical American terrorism.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 10:07 AM
Never let a tragedy go to waste eh Mets Fan?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 10:20 AM
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Once you confiscate the guns this country falls to NWO fascism ... We have a second amendment for a reason! Don't like it two bad move to Venezuela!
Oct 2, 17 1:43 PM appended by They call me
to
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 2, 17 1:43 PM
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You need to wake up!!! If your backing semi-assault rifle sales, you are to blame!!
Better to speak up and try to not let another tragedy occur. You are disgusting!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 12:38 PM
blah blah blah. Your logic is ridiculous.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 2:13 PM
Why aren't you outraged, why aren't you moved to change things? My only conclusion is that your okay with the status quo, well are you?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 12:42 PM
Better than being defenseless against Antifa, Radical Islam and obama type martial law goverments... So yes we are ok with it !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 2, 17 1:47 PM
Hey Mets Fan. I have a great idea to prevent drug overdoses. Let's make cocaine and heroine illegal....that will insure that those drugs will never find their way into the wrong hands.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 2:16 PM
Trust me They call me it can happen, I have seen it first hand in my country of origin.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 2, 17 5:04 PM
If you are silent now, and don't demand change, then you are complicit, if it happens again.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 1:01 PM
Nice try Mets fan, but we will keep our second amendment rights, thank you very much.

You just concentrate on standing up for the flag and everything will work out just fine.
Oct 2, 17 1:53 PM appended by 27dan
When trouble comes to this part of the woods someday..... you just stay down in your prius and let the big boys take over. Your type will be glad that your on the same side of the flag that you spit on !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 2, 17 1:53 PM
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Oct 2, 17 3:09 PM
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By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 4:21 PM
So you feel pretty good about this 27 dan, your right to buy semi-assault rifles. Your okay with the blood spilled. Another disgusting post. By the way, I'm come from a military family. A........e
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 4:31 PM
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Never said I was okay with what this disgusting evil POS did ! I just said ill be damed if I'm not going to be prepared for when it happens near my family!


So who is the A.........e !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 2, 17 4:46 PM
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Your okay with the sale of semi-assault rifles. So you are the a.....e with blood on your hands. How did packing a gun help those last night. Had to be plenty of red neck clowns packing there.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 5:13 PM
the FBI is saying "We have determined, to this point, no
connection to an international terrorist group,” said an unidentified
spokesman for the FBI in a brief statement at a news conference Monday in Las Vegas.

the FBI says this man has no ties to ISIS... in less than 12 hours... but its been 9 months... and they still cant decide if Trump has ties to Russia.lol
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 2, 17 5:17 PM
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Not sure what this means yet but this just broke on the wire !

Islamic state claims Las Vegas shooting, says attacker recent convert to Islam
by Reuters
Monday, 2 October 2017 14:15 GMT

CAIRO, Oct 2 (Reuters) - Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago.

"The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of ...more
Oct 2, 17 4:52 PM appended by joe hampton
Somting is up we must take our time to figure this out! They are not telling us everthing they know yet.......Was Stephen Paddock an AntiFa fanatic BEFORE his alleged conversion to ISISlam? The ideological “jump” seems like a horizontal one.......... BTW: AntiFa Melbourne just tweeted out: “One of our comrades from Las Vegas branch has made these fascist Trump supporting dogs pay.”........... And then AntiFa Nashville tweeted “We Warned You...Revolution!”
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 2, 17 4:52 PM
You are correct to state we must take our time to figure out who was behind this Joe. Something not adding up hear! Mark my words there is much more to this story to come.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 2, 17 5:02 PM
And more than a few jokers here think the world was created in seven days.

Khawarij would claim a hacking cough if they thought it helped their cause.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 2, 17 7:49 PM
Erin and undoc so, your okay with the sale of semi-assault rifles in this country?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 5:27 PM
What is a semi-assault rifle Mets Fan? What, in your expertise, is the definition of an assault rifle?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 9:49 PM
admittedly controversial alex jones is saying "he has proof from a high level source that the media is lying and the las vegas fbi hostage rescue team said they killed him and the guy had antifa crap all over his room" there's also several tweets out from antifa taking the blame.
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 2, 17 5:38 PM
America you are doomed when credence is given to anything that comes out of the addled brain of this flim-flam huckster getting rich playing to the six-toed crowd. News flash, Erin, he has no "high level sources" and he has no "proof". Of anything. And haven't you been made aware of the fake antifa Twitter accounts coming out of Vladivostok? Are you not able to decipher fake news? For the love of God, please don't fall prey to the attempts of Russia to use you to achieve their aim of weakening ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 2, 17 7:30 PM
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You've reached a new low, Alex Jones, captivator of all that are brain-dead and deplorable.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 5:39 AM
Here is a picture of the alleged live in Muslim girlfriend in Dubai. They say she was out of the country during the shootings but have not said where ?
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 2, 17 7:07 PM
That's just stupid.

She's in the Philippines visiting family. Any more bull**** you'd like to whip up?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 2, 17 7:40 PM
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Most likely ALL of the guns and magazines he had were not purchased legally.
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 2, 17 7:26 PM
Here are some of the lies and viral bull**** that trolls are flooding the internet with about the Las Vegas shooting. Don't share these unless you don't mind being a complete and total idiot:


About a dozen accounts have been circulating a photo of comedian Sam Hyde.

Far-right trolls are spreading a conspiracy theory that the shooter is actually a man named Geary Danley.

Popular far-right news site the Gateway Pundit wrote up the Geary Danley shooter conspiracy, describing ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 2, 17 8:54 PM
A dozen accounts doesn't amount to viral Z.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 17 9:51 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 2, 17 9:51 PM
You mean, we shouldn't believe everything we read on the internet?? Since when??? Thanks Mr. Z, good to know. You failed to mention that after police named the suspect, the post misidentifying the shooter was deleted.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 2, 17 9:51 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 2, 17 9:51 PM
Lunatic carries out the worst shooting massacre on US soil in our history, and your initial reaction is to retaliate against people who don't share the same political beliefs as you do? If you can't realize during tragedies like yesterday that we are all in this together as AMERICANS than you don't understand what AMERICA is about.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 3, 17 7:08 AM
Oh, so you think that each account is posted only once? And have no idea that even one post can go viral? Pitiful.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 10:20 AM
The only thing going viral is your hypocrisy JB.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 11:30 AM
To our liberal posters here: its reprehensible that you have taken this horrific tragedy and used it to further your warped political agenda. How about some compassion for the families of the dead and prayers for the wounded? You people are truly deplorable.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 2:42 AM
I agree, but isn't it equally politicizing and repulsive to immediately propose a clampdown on immigration when it's a Muslim American who does the shooting?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 9:08 AM
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For example?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 10:02 AM
Are you seeking an example of folks using an act of violence by an American muslim as grounds for a legislative response, or was that directed at bigfresh?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 10:08 AM
A specific example of an Muslim American who "does the shooting" where there was equal politicizing and "immediately propose a clampdown on immigration."

That's a rather broad stroke you've painted.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 11:33 AM
Boston bombing and Pulse shootings come to mind, even though both were committed by American Citizens. The San Bernandino shooter was also born here, but POTUS frequently referred to it as justification for the muslim ban while on the campaign trail.

I can't be bothered to Google for you, but you may also want to check out the "Bowling Green Massacre" for evidence that tragedies, real and fake, are politicized at the earliest opportunity by guilty parties on all sides.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 1:25 PM
I think the argument that there would be, or that it was used as an immediate clampdown on immigration, is pretty flimsy, especially given they were all citizens. Trump said on the campaign in a generic sense he would crackdown on terrorists, and I don't think any on those examples were used as impetus for the travel ban. The travel ban had absolutely nothing to do with shootings that had occurred in the US. But he DID comment on attacks in other countries in relation to the travel ban. Apples and ...more
Oct 3, 17 2:26 PM appended by Po Boy
And the only thing I found on the Bowling Green Massacre was that it was a misstatement and politicized by the Left. "The Bowling Green massacre is a fictitious incident alluded to by U.S. Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway in interviews with Cosmopolitan and TMZ on January 29, 2017, and in an interview on the MSNBC news program Hardball with Chris Matthews on February 2, 2017. Conway cited it as justification for a travel and immigration ban from seven Muslim-majority countries enacted by United States President Donald Trump. However, no such massacre occurred. The day after the interview, Conway said she misspoke and had been referring to the 2011 arrest of two Iraqi refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky on charges including "attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to al-Qaeda in Iraq". She stated that she had mentioned the incident because it led President Barack Obama to tighten immigration procedures for Iraqi citizens. The misstatement went viral and became the top trending topic on Twitter, with many tweets parodying it. A website was set up anonymously for the purpose of collecting donations for supposed victims. Facebook users used the site's safety check feature to act as if the event were real. Vigils were held in Kentucky and New York in commemoration. It provoked widespread press reaction, with many relating it to Conway's earlier use of the phrase alternative facts to describe false statements by White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer in the wake of the inauguration of Donald Trump.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 2:26 PM
Actually, Trump first called for what was still called the "muslim ban" on December 5, three days after the attack in San Bernardino, so we could figure out "what the hell is happening."

Administration officials subsequently confirmed that an "immigration nexus" in some of these commonplace attacks was sufficient justification to promote the travel ban.

I'm not saying they are good justifications any more than a tragedy where the guns were illegally obtained are good justification ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 3:03 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 8:17 PM
The comment in 2015 was consistent with what he did when he became president. It was a travel ban from predominantly Islamic countries - the same countries Obama declared as high risk. The ban (temporary at that) was to do a deep dive on the screening practices from those countries. He confirmed shortly after the initial statement that the policy would not apply to current Muslims in the U.S. during a Fox News interview. But year, Trump had a valid point in 2015 even.
Oct 3, 17 8:17 PM appended by Po Boy
Does a temporary travel ban that doesn't apply to those who live in the US equate to a immigration clamp down? Eh...
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 8:17 PM
That's cool, man. I'm just saying the politicization of tragedies is about as commonplace as those tragedies, irrespective of party affiliation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 9:49 PM
More hypocrisy from the right. No changes in background checks, loose rules in gun flea markets= supporters of more tragedies. Stands at attention for anthem, then wants to cut medicaid for healthcare to vets. Yup, the right wing nut way. What it should be is to further our political agenda so no more tragedies occur.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 5:47 AM
When is the right time for this conversation? Before or after right wing politicians get their bribe money from the NRA?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 6:11 AM
Maybe it was the first four months of the Obama administration, when Democrats held both the House and Senate? THAT would have been a good time.

Why didn't democrats take action? It either wasn't a priority, they didn't have the votes, or it's much more valuable to use as a political wedge issue - or a combination of all three.
Oct 3, 17 8:40 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Democrats had control of Congress during the roughly first two years of the Obama administration - the 111th Congress, a portion of which was a super majority. They could have passed anything they wanted. Obama was the first president-elect in 32 years to receive a Congress under the firm control of his party. What more are you looking for?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 8:40 AM
You seem to think all Democrats march to the same tune. Don't you recall that it was Democrat detractors to the ACA that removed a public option, effectively neutering any incentive for competition in the law?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 9:03 AM
More rigorous background checks and types of weapons bought. Is that so outrageous?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 11:11 AM
Yes Mets Fan, it is. Study Prohibition.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 11:31 AM
They removed the "public option" to appease the GOP.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 7:20 PM
Yeah right. The Senate removed single payer to appease the GOP so no member of the GOP would vote FOR the bill without single payer, so Obama would then sign it as his signature legislation.

Makes perfect sense...
Oct 3, 17 8:00 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Democrats reject GOP's effort to bait them into voting for single-payer health insurance Eric Bradner CNN. Washington (CNN)Senate Republicans tried to troll their Democratic colleagues into revealing an intra-party rift and casting potentially politically damaging votes for single-payer health insurance on Thursday. Democrats didn't take the bait. Health care debate: Senate vote-a-rama and the 'skinny bill' Health care debate: Senate vote-a-rama and the 'skinny bill' In a purely political move, Montana Republican Sen. Steve Daines offered an amendment to the GOP's Obamacare repeal bill Thursday that mirrored, word-for-word, the single-payer insurance program that Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, has proposed. BOTTOM LINE - If they wanted single payer in 2010 they could have had it. But they couldn't sell it to the American public.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 8:00 PM
Does ANYTHING that spews from a Republicans pie hole indicate for one shred of a moment that the party would support a "public option"?

Obviously you haven't been paying close attention...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:15 PM
Who did they appease? Zero Republicans voted for it. It was for democrats in swing states.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 9:56 PM
It's a simple yes or no. Would any GOP member vote for the ACA with an intact public option.

The answer, in case you haven't guessed is: NO
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:04 PM
The facts are that no Republicans would vote for it even without the public option. We know this because....they didn't. It was a concession to the insurance companies and on-the-fence democrats. We know this because...they said so.
Oct 4, 17 10:33 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
On second reading it doesn't sound like we're talking about the same thing. I'm referring to the original bill passed in 2010.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 10:33 PM
"They removed the "public option" to appease the GOP."

No, THEY didn't. And I quote: "(After all, it was Democrats, not Republicans, who insisted on knocking the public option out of the Senate bill.)"..."The writing was on the wall for the public plan for a while, even though it did make it out of the House; President Obama told key progressive lawmakers last week that the votes just weren't there, but even before that, the White House was being so blasé about the idea that it was ...more
Oct 4, 17 8:01 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Salon and the author further write: "Like so much else about the healthcare debate, it comes down to math. "I would say that in the Senate, there are at most 10 votes for a single-payer plan," Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., a self-described democratic socialist, who isn't shy about his own preference for that kind of solution, told Salon this week. "In the House, I have no idea but it's a small minority ... It's absurd to say, 'Mr. President, go forward and make your bill single-payer,' when you've got 10 percent of the Congress supporting you.""
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 8:01 AM
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The only politician in DC who hasn't taken a dime from the NRA is President Donald Trump.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 3, 17 7:05 AM
The records say he received at least $1,000 in the 2016 cycle. Not a significant amount, but obviously more than "a dime."
Oct 3, 17 8:45 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
That donated directly to the candidate; they apparently spent a total of $30M+ on the election. Nearly $10M was spent on Pro-Trump materials and about $12M was to attack Clinton.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 8:45 AM
Using facts when debating a liberal will send him crawling to a safe space. Seriously Mets Fan, whiskey tango foxtrot is wrong with you? People died, hundreds in the hospital and all you can do is sore left wing talking points. Have some respect
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 8:34 AM
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The facts are that these tragedies are now commonplace; that everyone should accept the new reality, consider themselves warned, and act accordingly.

If you think promoting policy in response to these events is effective, you haven't been paying attention.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 8:53 AM
Anyone not for sure stronger background checks and types of weapons bought=supporter of mass shootings. No hysteria, those are the facts.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 11:07 AM
I prefer to think myself "tolerant of mass shootings" since the emotional price required to be an opponent is far too high with little sign of success in the foreseeable future.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 11:13 AM
Mets Fan, that is complete nonsense. Not facts. Stronger background checks do not stop illegal acquisition of weapons. Period. You cannot legislate against crazy. You really think that stronger gun laws will result in less shootings? Do your research.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 11:27 AM
How about you do your research and see what Australia has achieved when they clamped down after a mass shooting?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 2:45 PM
In 2003, the Centers for Disease Control analyzed ammunition bans, restrictions on acquisition of firearms, waiting periods, registration, licensing, child access prevention and zero tolerance laws. After their analysis, the Centers for Disease Control concluded there was no conclusive evidence that any gun control laws reduced gun violence. Foreign researchers have also come to the same conclusion. In Australia in 2008, a peer reviewed study at the University of Sydney reached virtually the same ...more
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 4:44 PM
In the 18 years before the 1996 Port Arthur massacre in which 35 were killed, Australia witnessed 13 mass shootings, defined as shootings in which five or more people were killed. In the 21 years since, following stricter laws and a government buyback of 600,000 guns which nearly halved the number of gun-owning households, there have been none.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 9:04 PM
Nevada Gun laws. Gun dealers do not need licenses. No limit on ammo.Police inspections of Nevada gun shops not allowed. Gun owners are not required to have licenses, or register weapons, or limit weapons owned. Automatic assault and machine guns legal. Transfer of assault weapons is legal. Stronger background checks might keep guns out of mentally ill. Result, highest gun shootings in U.S. You keep defending the NRA, I guess this status quo is okay with you. The orange cheetoh, save your prayers, ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 11:40 AM
Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was a registered Democrat. 04/11/1984
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 3, 17 11:50 AM
So your answer for this dnice is nothing. Nothing should change, this is life in America and just accept it.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 11:50 AM
Mass Shootings Are Just The Unfortunate Price Of Protecting People’s Freedom To Commit Mass Shootings
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Oct 3, 17 12:10 PM
Yes and saying it's not time to talk about gun control after a mass slaying is like saying it's not time to talk about infrastructure after a bridge collapse. And since when is common sense "politicization"?
And if you insist "guns don't kill people", then you have to agree that nukes don't either, so why are you insisting that North Korea can't have their nukes?
We regulate sinus pills, alcohol and weed sales, autos, boats, marrying who you love, adopting a dog for God's sake, ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 12:39 PM
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I'd wager you're wasting keystrokes, June. Eventually enough people will die, or the right people, and change will happen. Not before.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 2:14 PM
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Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:22 PM
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When I was growing up (graduated high school in 1979) it was commonplace to see shotguns hanging in gunracks in the back of our trucks during hunting season, Guns were no big deal and most families I knew were armed, surely the East End was not unique in this regard. Mass shootings were virtually unheard of but there were seemingly more armed citizens. What happened? Society has gone down the crapper, the gangsta lifestyle and video games have cheapened life to many and the insane are allowed to ...more
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 12:21 PM
When have you ever needed to use a gun?
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 3, 17 1:11 PM
Yes, and once upon a time doctors prescribed cigarettes too.

Nevertheless, over time we learned that more cigarettes led to more people dying, not less.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 3, 17 1:19 PM
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Yea, this was some gangsta and Grand theft auto player. Nothing should change, right bf.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 1:37 PM
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Keep making excuses, blood is on your hands. The only you care about is you that you keep using illegal immigrants to work your business.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 1:40 PM
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1979? Nice head start.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 7:06 PM
And here's your answer June .....^^^
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 12:55 PM
So JuneZ , do you favor repealing the Secong Ammendment? Serious question for you, do you favor repealing the second amendment?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 1:13 PM
Yes, and here's why: Thanks to corporate media's unquestioning regurgitation of right-wing talking points, most think that the Second Amendment is in the Constitution to protect the rights of individual gun owners from the government. That is not remotely true. There actually was no "individual right to own a gun" until 2008, when the SC said there was in its decision in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller. That decision, which struck down Wash DC's handgun ban, was the culmination ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 2:17 PM
Nice cut and paste JB
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 17 4:33 PM
Why thank ye. Too bad you're wrong, but that's OK. It's actually my summary of more detailed history. Maybe you'll at least concede you learned something. One can only hope. (So sorry no pictures.)
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 8:42 PM
Not so JB. Here is the source you swiped

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36506-we-need-to-throw-out-the-second-amendment
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 17 12:03 AM
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Do you not know what a summary is? Or the difference between scanning and summarizing? There is plenty of pertinent C&P on this list correctly used to enlighten, bolster an argument or prove a point.
Your posts could carry more weight if you utilized same now and then. But if you don't read anything, guess that can't be an option.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 12:18 PM
Nice try. You cut and paste someone else's words and pass them off as your own. That makes you a fraud.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 17 8:02 PM
The strongest deterrent to tyranny is a WELL ARMED POPULACE!!!!! When the excitement hits the proverbial fan JuneZ et al , pray for an armed citizen to save your ass!
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 5:56 PM
Just don't shoot the tyrant...:)
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Oct 3, 17 6:17 PM
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By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 5:58 PM
Yep. Just like they have the thirty or so times during mass shootings since the turn of the 21st Century...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 7:05 PM
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By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 3, 17 6:07 PM
what happens when two armed citizens disagree on the correct path for the nation?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Oct 3, 17 6:35 PM
Ha, behold the little, quivering paranoid with stupidest fear one can possibly hold. And the stupidest notion of protection of his backside against the (teehee) "tyrants". You think your little water pistol is going to protect you against drones or chemical weapons? What century are you living in? Hilarious.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 7:27 PM
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Real effective against directed biological warfare too, LOL
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:43 PM
Where was the second amendment saving the fifty nine that died?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 5:38 AM
Ahhh, the last sentence is so VERY descript of the "right wingers" here, which are just a small sample of the nation at large:

90,000 Guns But No Gun-Related Crimes

By Nanna Árnadóttir

Published July 6, 2017


In March, an overzealous gun owner shot a few rounds into the air in Kópavogur, a suburb of Reykjavík. He’d just had the gun serviced and was eager to make sure it was in good working order. Pop! Pop! Pop!

Police were ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:17 PM
Great post! But beware---the cut and paste patrol is out and loaded for bear.
Might have changed recently, but brought Britain's historically unarmed police to mind.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 8:28 PM
The numbers clearly show that homegrown right wing extremists are a greater danger to the citizens of this nation than persons from "travel ban" countries.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmm..."
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:39 PM
No pun intended, but by a long shot. And time to call them by their rightful name: terrorists.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 8:47 PM
Paddock was most likely an Antifa member, and the Hispanic woman harassing people at the concert and telling them they were going to die 45 minutes before the shooting was probably a member as well! Many people are reporting seeing things about this man on Facebook! He was a Trump hater which would fit in with Antifa. This is perception management/manipulation.They (NWO) want you to perceive guns are dangerous so they can take away your guns and you cannot protect yourself. Part of the ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 3, 17 10:08 PM
In case you may be curious:

Every Member of Congress Who Took Money From the NRA and Tweeted 'Thoughts and Prayers' to Las Vegas

Rafi Schwartz
Yesterday 3:15pm
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 8:47 PM
Lee Zeldin‏Verified account @RepLeeZeldin Oct 2

All Americans extend our deepest sympathies & prayers to all impacted by this senseless tragedy & thank all first responders on scene
544 replies 11 retweets 29 likes
Reply 544 Retweet 11 Like 29 Direct message
SAYS THE RECIPIENT OF $14,850 FROM THE NRA.....
THIS AMOUNT IS THE HIGHEST OF 7 OTHER NYS
CONGRESSCRITTERS WITH $4,000 BEING THE LEAST.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 3, 17 9:11 PM
Perhaps a brush up on American History is overdue?

The Second Amendment you don't know

By Saul Cornell
New York Daily News


In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment — the statement that “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” — will be much discussed.

It ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:38 PM
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By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 11:14 PM
UN ambassador Nikki Haley hit with Hatch Act reprimand

By Jessica Estepa


Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which filed the complaint over Haley's retweet, said this was the third time a Trump administration official had violated the Hatch Act this year.

"One is unfortunate, two is a coincidence, but three in less than a year is a pattern," CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. "This all stems from the president's permissive ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 9:19 PM
Michelle Obama: "People Don’t Trust Politics’ Because GOP Is ‘All Men, All White"

Hey Michelle, why make it about the color of someones skin? Why is it the country doesn't trust your husband or Hillary? Actions speak louder than skin color... And your remarks seem both sexist and racist.

PROTECT THE 2nd A ... MAGA
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 3, 17 10:00 PM
Go ahead. Beat your drum while innocent people bleed out in the streets.

Because Alexander Hamilton wanted people to own automatic weapons, eh?
Oct 3, 17 10:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
The Gun Lobby's interpretation of the Second Amendment is one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American People by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime. "The real purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that state armies - the militia - would be maintained for the defense of the state. The very language of the Second Amendment refutes any argument that it was intended to guarantee every citizen an unfettered right to any kind of weapon he or she desires." ~ Retired Chief Justice Warren Burger
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:08 PM
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No but he wanted a militia of private citizens to be able to protect the country from all treats both foreign and DOMESTIC. When the military agrees to go back to muskets so will the Oath Keepers
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 3, 17 10:11 PM
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And exactly what did "militia" mean in the 18th century?

Article 6, The Articles of Confederation:

Every state shall always keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage.
Oct 3, 17 10:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
Well then, if the "Oath Keepers" are true Constitutionalists, then they must keep such weapons in a "public store", and not at private residences. They should be properly logged, accounted for, and the inventory reported to the proper authority.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:15 PM
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Heck, I'll even go one better:

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws."

~ ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:20 PM
For the jokers here who think they know what the **** they're talking about. Frankly, it's HIGHLY unlikely you know more about the subject than this guy:

The Second Amendment you don't know
By Saul Cornell
(Saul Cornell is the Paul and Diane Guenther Chair in American History at Fordham University)

New York Daily News


In the coming months, as the nation begins a serious discussion about gun regulation, the meaning of the Second Amendment — the statement ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 3, 17 10:44 PM
Written in 2012, lol. Fortunately the SCOTUS know even more and have consistently stated such.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 3, 17 11:13 PM
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The 2nd amendment will not have more regulation, nor should it. When will the fearful learn that more regulation is not the answer. More laws will not decrease violence. Never has.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 17 12:08 AM
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BREAKING: SHERIFF SAYS LAS VEGAS SHOOTER COULD HAVE BEEN “RADICALIZED”
Authorities admit potential motive for first time
During a live press conference, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo revealed that the Las Vegas gunman, Stephen Paddock, may have been “radicalized” and that authorities were attempting to uncover the source of his radicalization.
“Did this person get radicalized unbeknownst to us? And we want to identify that source,” said Lombardo.
If ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 4, 17 2:16 AM
So, then the Constitution is a living, breathing document?

So much for the "Constitutionalists".
Oct 4, 17 7:48 AM appended by Mr. Z
Scalia's "decision" had nothing to do with history, and read like a pile of steaming NRA lobby talking points. You're dead wrong, and the SCOTUS truly undid over a hundred years of legal precedent that spoke to the completely opposite view.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:48 AM
To the constitutional scholars BF, dnice, pwherman, They call me, and Po Boy": Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 12:08 PM
Can't you get it through your head that militias were HIGHLY regulated? Even included members being forced to buy their own muskets---you know, just like today's requirements for healthcare.... And, they were not permitted to use them for their own individual purposes INCLUDING SELF DEFENSE. Today's hideous 2nd Amendment court interpretations (on behalf of the arms industry) has turned America into the wild west. Way past time for a return to sanity.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 12:48 PM
The lady professor from Hampton Bays is quite the authority on all things relating to a civilized society. She seems to think amendments get "regulated". Now there's a novel notion.
She also seems to be advocating for a lawless society, and sounds as if she's also sees no efficacy in the Ten Commandments. Better than Colgate Comedy Hour re-runs....
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 6:52 PM
June Bug, you are all drama and no originality.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 17 8:54 PM
A New Jersey car dealership is pulling its television ads from NFL broadcasts for the rest of the 2017 football season in response to NFL teams protesting the national anthem.
Oct 4, 17 1:09 AM appended by 27dan
I remember when the NFL wasn't the DNC. This season can't end fast enough.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 4, 17 1:09 AM
Blood on YOUR hands
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 5:41 AM
Bf, dnice,27 dan, joe h., they call me, sturgis, mr. snerdley, poboy, erin, ditch bum,undoc. All of you that think that the status quo is okay (even after pointing out gun laws in Nevada) you all contributed to the mass murder shooting with your opinions. And it seems so callously proud of it. Why didn't a citizen packing firearms thwart the mass massacre?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 5:49 AM
When the LV Sheriff said they were looking into where the shooter was radicalized, what exactly did he mean? Was it liberalism or extreme islamic fascism?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 8:13 AM
Extreme right wing dementia.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:22 PM
I don't think Mets fan is extreme right wing (whatever that is) but you have it half correct.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 7:38 PM
Metsfan, in no way does being in favor of the 2A equate to having responsibility for a madman's act of terror. Only in the mind of an extreme leftist can such a conne be made
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 4, 17 8:33 AM
Opposing sane regulation of firearms does.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:40 PM
What is your idea of sane regulation?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 17 8:09 PM
So the staus quo is just fine for you. Nothing at all, more rigorous background checks, types of weapons sold, amount of ammo, licensing, etc, nothing should change. This is the America we live in, so just get used to a steady dose of mass murders.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 8:54 AM
You get it, Mets. One day enough people will die, or it'll be a room full of legislators' kids, and change will be prompted.

Until then, we should all come to terms with the new normal.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 4, 17 9:20 AM
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Do me a favor Mets, refrain from putting words in my mouth. You have no idea what you're talking about and to suggest I'm somehow complicit in this horrible event is despicable. Instead of insulting people why don't you put forth your plan to prevent this from happening again. Let's hear it. Because you know if we make guns illegal no one will ever get shot according to your logic. Because according to your logic this would work with drugs as well right? Oh wait I forgot drugs are illegal. And ...more
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 12:26 PM
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For starters, kill the "rifle loophole" which prevents law enforcement from knowing who owns an arsenal. Iceland is a great example of how to keep firearms out of the hands of the mentally disturbed.

"Arms" as referred to by the Second Amendment were weapons intended for warfare, stored in a public stockpile, inventoried, and highly regulated by the state they were present in. The reason for this is that there was no standing army. One did not keep weapons intended for the battlefield ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:32 PM
Every male in our country is supposed to be armed.It is what the founders clearly wanted. If you don't like it, you can simply leave this country. The founders kept it free for you to do so.

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, under 45 years of age. Militia is National Guard, and Regular Militia is all other American men not in the National Guard.

Abortion is illegal,
Oct 4, 17 7:44 PM appended by 27dan
Abortion is technically illegal but your fine with the changes to the constitution, Well I'm not! Thats why gun ownership is necessary. To the keep this country free from the the likes of the hypocrites that would change the country to benefit there own selfish needs .
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 4, 17 7:44 PM
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms and was adopted on December 15, 1791, as part of the first ten amendments contained in the Bill of Rights.[1][2][3][4] The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that the right belongs to individuals,[5][6] while also ruling that the right is not unlimited and does not prohibit all regulation of either firearms or similar devices.[7] State and local governments are limited ...more
Oct 4, 17 7:45 PM appended by Po Boy
It was designed among other things to protect individual citizens FROM the federal government.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 7:45 PM
So, you now claim the Second Amendment invalidates the treason clause. Let's see how that works out for you in a court of law.

So, when is the next militia muster, and where is the regulated stockpile of weapons? What is your drill schedule? Your state government should have all that on paper, right?

It's no wonder the militia rules are called the "Dick Act"...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:54 PM
MAGA !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 7:56 PM
Behold the new king of America and his laughable proclamation. And all along, I thought the biggest ass in the country was in the White House.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 8:04 PM
I'll take my chances with the precedent of Cramer vs. the United States making Treason very difficult to prove... other than that Mr. Z, take it up with the Founding Fathers.

I'd suggest that IF we are defending against the Federal government, the Treason Clause is somewhat of a moot point.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 8:12 PM
If it does get that bad (highly unlikely), you'll probably just end up at the drumhead.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 8:15 PM
Armed? Yes.

Weapons of war in your personal possession? F*** NO.

Arms for war highly regulated by the state they are present in. There is no debate on that. Do you own a musket? I do. The butt is quite, quite heavy...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 8:18 PM
I hate to tell you this, but that musket was a "weapon of war" at one time and in some countries, sexual violence/rape is used as a weapon of war. See any commonalities in a musket, an AR15 and sexual violence? Yup, you guessed it. A person made a choice to use it in that manner.
Oct 4, 17 8:49 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
You're not suggesting we outlaw free choice are you?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 8:49 PM
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Now you're just desperate.
Oct 4, 17 9:06 PM appended by Mr. Z
Desperation is quite the miasma.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 9:06 PM
Hey Dan, you voted in someone "changing the country to benefit his own selfish needs". For once I'm with you -- gotta "free the country" of the gritting moron.
Oct 5, 17 11:39 PM appended by June Bug
"Gritting meant to be "grifting".
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 11:39 PM
Hey let's start with the sale of fully automatic assault rifles and machine guns which is legal in Nevada. BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 5:53 AM
Let's not mischaracterize the law on automatic weapons. While pre-1986 automatic weapons are legal to own, there are highly stringent laws in place, including a registry and background checks that require the ATF to visit your home, if I remember correctly.

I was still surprised to learn there were hundreds of thousands of these weapons out there, but you can't just walk into a store and get one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:10 AM
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If you read my posts d........s, I've never said to ban all guns. However, mentally ill, types of weapons ,amount of ammo, etc, should be harshly regulated. Well-trained police with all the weaponry needed is good enough for me.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 9:13 AM
FYI Mets Fan, new, fully automatic weapons have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986. Pre 1986 fully auto are almost impossible to obtain legally and are individually tracked by the ATF. Nevada does not impose any further restrictions on them but still, very hard to get legally. If he had it, it was illegal. It is possible he was using a bump stock instead of having a fully auto rifle. Bump stocks can mimic the rapid fire of a fully ...more
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 9:57 AM
For what it's worth, my reading on "bump stocks" says they can be easily manufactured by amateurs.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 10:08 AM
That is true.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 5:01 PM
Man, that Tillerson statement was the best hostage video since Patty Hearst's. What kind of trust, I ask, can you have in someone who took until July to realize his boss is a moron?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 1:17 PM
"NBC News cites three unnamed “officials familiar with the incident” to report that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson referred to President Donald Trump as a “moron” at a July 20 Pentagon meeting. "

At some point, even the blind fish learns to stop taking the bait.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 4, 17 1:40 PM
Ann Coulter: Media Find Las Vegas Shooter’s Motive: He’s White!

There’s a remarkable number of dangling facts about Stephen Paddock’s mass murder in Las Vegas, which the media have shown little inclination to investigate. It’s almost as if they’re worried that too much investigation will ruin it.

For example:

Who was the woman shouting, “YOU’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!” right before the concert? Is any reporter interested ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 4, 17 7:37 PM
Actually, it turns out he may have staked out a couple of music festivals, and procured a condominium near the "Life is Beautiful" music festival.

This was quite the premeditated attack. Apparently he couldn't inflict maximum damage from a condo.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:44 PM
Use a car to mow down people and they blame the person. Use a knife, blame the person....use a gun, they blame the gun. Typical libtard logic.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 7:55 PM
Hey Bum, how about we license and register every gun like we license and register that car?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 17 8:50 PM
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Yes June great idea ...because we all know criminals get their cars the same way they get their guns. Legally.
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 4, 17 9:51 PM
DON'T DO IT !

When i was a younger man living in my country of origin things were wonderful until the wrong people got in power. Thats when they took out that little gun registry June is talking about and those homes were the first place the military showed up. From there it went down hill fast and you want to talk about killing thats when it the ugly stuff began ! Maintain the balance of power or somday you will pay the price of your freedom !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 4, 17 9:57 PM
If you're dumb enough to think than in the modern United States there could be a successful military coup, well, let's just say it makes you a sucker.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 10:12 PM
i think your the sucker believing far left wackos, in a country of spoiled millennial snow flakes and jihadists...... where the last government built fema camps, organized jade helm, and now with blm and antifa ?

sure you would love it if the people were suddenly defenseless
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 4, 17 10:19 PM
Holy crap. Do you believe "PizzaGate" was real too? Let me guess, you read the Bible as a book of history where apples are magic, snakes can talk, and one day from "God's" point of view is 64 million years? You should really seek professional help for your paranoia.

Oh, and keep posting, I enjoy the belly laughs.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:40 AM
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Also anyone possessing a firearm should be required to buy an insurance policy.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 10:17 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 5, 17 2:14 PM
Officers discover cache of weapons, ammunition during Tennessee traffic stop

Posted on October 4, 2017 at 8:12 AM


CBS News reports that Scott Edmisten, 43, of Johnson City, was found carrying a .357-caliber Magnum, a loaded .45-caliber semi-automatic, a .223-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, a .308-caliber fully automatic assault rifle, more than 900 rounds of ammunition, and survival equipment during a traffic stop on Monday.

Edmisten apparently modified the ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 7:47 PM
Just another day on the job by the thin blue line oppressors and an individual subject to the law of the land.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 4, 17 8:01 PM
What Happens In Vegas, Stays With The FBI ...
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 4, 17 8:02 PM
Apparently Paddock being doped up on diazepam didn't stay with the FBI, or in Vegas. Word is out.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 4, 17 9:19 PM
i am still waiting to hear what the note on the table said.

i am just glad donald trump is our president i feel safe from all this un patriotic hate and dissension around us everyday. only 7 more years to go little babies we made it through 8 you can to. until then lets make america great again !
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 4, 17 10:13 PM
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You should feel safe that nothing will change with little Donnie Johnnie. you should feel secure as long as we don't change anything, we will continue to have a steady dose of mass murders. Now does that make you feel safe? Erin maybe you can go to a rally, and feel safe when he p...... grabs you.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 5:57 AM
You don’t have to make any tortured projections. We can proclaim with confidence that obama did not do anything in 8 years. In fact the only Presidential candidate who did not accept a dime from the NRA was Donald Trump
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 6:33 AM
Slimy is a liar. The NRA donated a thousand dollars directly to Trump and spent $30M trying to get him elected. It's all public knowledge so be sure to Google before you blindly believe Slimy liar.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:05 AM
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Per Sheriff Lombardo, it was not a suicide note.

It seems the "right wing" lies about their lies. No wonder they elected a pathological liar to the White House.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:33 AM
Nice try slimey. NRA contributed 30 million for the election of the orange ignoramus.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 9:15 AM
''contributed 30 million for the election"?

nice try.

they spent $30 million on ads. that's not a contribution.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 5, 17 11:22 AM
So they didn't give it to Trump, they gave it to a pro-Trump super pac. Great distinction, even flow.

Nevertheless, Trump still received $1,065 directly from the NRA, slightly more than "not one dime."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 11:34 AM
JuneZ and Mets fan: do you blame the increased obesity rates on forks?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 2:38 AM
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That would be gluttony, overconsumption, orgiastic greed, and of course just plain ignorance or outright stupidity.

Again, you play a dumb and idiotic segue game. It's quite probable the shooter would have performed far less efficiently with single shot weapons, no?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:21 AM
Assault rifles and machine guns legal in Nevada. Unlimited ammo, gun dealers don't have to be licensed, on and on. Like I said, just sit back, do nothing, and just get used to a steady dose of mass murders. This is the do-nothing right running things in America. Happy with continuing with mass murders, vote the right wing nut way.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 6:04 AM
The last president to do nothing was Barack Obama. 14 mass shootings, 14 speeches. No action.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 6:35 AM
LOL let's not act as if nothing was tried, now. Don't we remember Obama being portrayed as the big bad boogeyman coming to take your guns away?

That congress would rather accept the status quo doesn't mean POTUS did "nothing." Trump is the one who said "to actively do nothing is a decision" after the Pulse nightclub shooting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:00 AM
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Serious short term memory problems. Including all their lies.

“When it comes to controlling human beings there is no better instrument than lies. Because, you see, humans live by beliefs. And beliefs can be manipulated. The power to manipulate beliefs is the only thing that counts.”

~ Michael Ende, The Neverending Story
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:26 AM
Seriously. Did you read up top where he lied that Trump got zero money from the NRA? I can only wonder if it's deliberate or compulsive.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:37 AM
I've got a pen and I've got a phone - and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive actions and administrative actions that move the ball forward.

~ Barack Obama
Oct 5, 17 7:41 AM appended by Po Boy
And Mets fan, your statement is damn near completely inaccurate. Assault rifle is defined as a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use. Machine guns ARE legal in Nevada - but are highly regulated. Unlimited ammo" Hmmm, maybe, but sales are always contingent. Yes,gun dealers DO have to be licensed.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 7:41 AM
Did ya'll know that Trump agreed with Obama's push for new gun control after Sandy Hook?

Following the defeat of that new legislation in 2013, Obama took the following executive action:

"In addition to expanding and bolstering the background check system to cover sales that take place online and at gun shows, Obama said the administration will provide more funding for mental health treatment, FBI staff and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives agents."
Oct 5, 17 7:51 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And let's not forget the executive order that shared the information of folks requiring guardianship of their SSA funds when they tried to purchase firearms.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:51 AM
President Obama Signs NRA-Backed Measures into Law
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 2015
SUPPORT NRA-ILA
Fairfax, Va. – President Barack Obama signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). It includes several NRA-backed provisions -- expanding gun rights on stateside military bases; prohibiting the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from banning traditional ammunition; and saving taxpayer dollars by allowing gun collectors to buy vintage military surplus pistols.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 5, 17 8:00 AM
I guess we should clarify.... what could be deemed meaningful executive action. That wasn't. Background checks online and at gun shows were already in place by current laws at the time. I know, because I've done both. Sales through the hobbyist angle was clarified to indicate they MAY actually be “engaged in the business” of selling firearms if they operate an online gun store, pass out business cards or frequently sell guns in their original packaging. Whether the mental health funding ...more
Oct 5, 17 8:09 AM appended by Po Boy
It was all political smoke and mirrors. Support restrictions one day. Take "action" against it another... typical Washington that really equates to NO ACTION..
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:09 AM
It's almost like the power to enact meaningful action lies with the legislators, not the executive.

Expecting POTUS to fix the problem of gun violence by himself is like expecting DACA to fix the broken immigration system.

Which is why I can't fault Trump's flip-flop since Sandy Hook. A belief that frequent mass shooting are not a problem to be solved makes inaction all the easier.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 8:54 AM
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 9:10 AM
Since Republican congress are the ones getting bribe money from the NRA, don't expect the Republican congress to help. Besides, the only thing they say ,now isn't the right time. Of course it isn't.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 9:22 AM
Where would you stop Metsfan? How much of the 2A would you eliminate?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 9:43 AM
Mental and all-round examination, paid for by applicant. No assault rifles of any kind. Registering of all guns. Notice of large cache of weapons to authorities. Some sort of rationing of ammo, that would be hard to enforce.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 11:41 AM
Some of the commenters on this site could use a mental evaluation, that's for sure.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 5, 17 12:52 PM
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This is the only Constitutional gun law...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"...

Those last four words are beautiful...

In case anyone is unclear what the Founding Fathers intended...

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 5, 17 2:41 PM
Coincidentally, a couple of centuries of jurisprudence have proven that there are, in fact, constitutional laws that place reasonable limits on firearm ownership.

After all, the majority of cannon used during the revolutionary war were owned privately but that doesn't mean we have artillery for sale at Wal-Mart.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 3:17 PM
@ 27dan: We scumbag lefties prefer facts based in history, not bull**** and myths.

"Militias were tightly controlled organizations legally defined and regulated by the individual colonies before the Revolution and, after independence, by the individual states. Militia laws ran on for pages and were some of the lengthiest pieces of legislation in the statute books. States kept track of who had guns, had the right to inspect them in private homes and could fine citizens for failing to report ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:50 PM
Claiming those who excercize their 2A rights are somehow complicite in a madman's attack is insane
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 9:48 AM
I agree, "complicit" is a little excessive. "Indifferent" would be more accurate.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 10:05 AM
Bravo Sierra ! How in the world can you claim that??!!
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 10:12 AM
Perhaps you would prefer "ambivalent"? "Tolerant"?

How would you describe the collective response toward regular record-breaking mass shootings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 10:17 AM
Tacit approval.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 11:07 AM
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BF stop giving them attention the bodies were still on the sidewalk when Hillary started screaming GUN CONTROLL It hurt my hears to listen to that screeching again THANK GOD she lost!

The people who fell victim to these shootings (country music fans) , weather it turns out to be a crazy person or something else... would be the first to tell you not to give up our 2nd Amendment rights ... Like UD said a few lines up learn from history or lose your freedoms !
Oct 5, 17 2:13 PM appended by joe hampton
DON'T DO IT ! When i was a younger man living in my country of origin things were wonderful until the wrong people got in power. Thats when they took out that little gun registry June is talking about and those homes were the first place the military showed up. From there it went down hill fast and you want to talk about killing thats when it the ugly stuff began ! Maintain the balance of power or somday you will pay the price of your freedom ! By Undocumented Democrat
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 5, 17 2:13 PM
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Can those who have bought into the successful re-shaping of the 2nd Amendment done to benefit the arms industry not see their hypocrisy when they bang the right to life and law and order drums? Or see the disingenuousness in their idol when he assures them that his first duty is to keep them safe? Apparently that only means safe from brown and black-skinned killers.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 11:21 AM
Well its not like some of those as you put it " brown and black-skinned killers. " do themselves any good when they are 13 % of the population and are responsible for 87 percent of the gun violence in the USA. ( Go ahead and look it up for yourself June and let me know if I am correct in those government statistics )

So yes as an law abiding American citizen it is part of why I may want to own a gun ! Not the only reason but yes it is a part of it .
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 5, 17 2:28 PM
Source: Politifact

PANTS ON FIRE


Pants on Fire! Trump
Says crime statistics show blacks kill 81 percent of white homicide victims.
— Donald Trump on Sunday, November 22nd, 2015 in a tweet
Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims
By Jon Greenberg on Monday, November 23rd, 2015 at 3:35 p.m.



A day after a black activist was kicked and punched by voters at a Donald Trump rally in Alabama, Trump ...more
Oct 5, 17 3:16 PM appended by June Bug
And you can be sure if every black male bought and registered a gun tomorrow, we'd have strict gun controls passed the day after that.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 3:16 PM
JB, the 2nd amendment hasn't been reshaped. You do realize that the gun industry has taken a huge hit in the wallet since Trump won right? Obama wa the gun industry's best friend. No President in history sold more guns.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 5:04 PM
Once a market is flooded, ancd consumers are satisfied, supplies increase, sales decrease.

Simple supply and demand.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:42 PM
Not so Z. Sales were high because people were afraid Obama would try and increase gun control legislation. Had nothing to do with supply and demand.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:17 PM
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Oh. So it was propagated by fear tactics, spread by the NRA and the gun lobby? Who are in bed with the gun industry? Man, they must have made a mint on that. A dip in sales would be natural after such an orgy of gun purchasing.

Fear is such a powerful weapon when dealing with people who have no or limited control over their amygdala.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 8:42 PM
Ironically, you are the one dealing in fear instead of rationality.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:45 PM
Fear of what? Being the next innocent to be killed by a madman because "the solution is more guns" has flooded this nation with firearms?

That's one of the few I do have. And it's quite obviously a rational one.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 10:39 PM
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By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 11:19 PM
That's a really good point, dnice. Since I've adopted the sincere belief that nothing will change, I changed my habits instead and actively avoid these large crowds.

When I do groceries and the like I make it a point to keep my wits about me and make note of where my exits are. I regularly scan others' hands in case I see a weapon and carry a knife in case it's necessary, and if it's my turn, life's been good to me.

The point being these tragedies won't stop, so we should act accordingly.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 6:39 AM
Epidemic mass murder shootings. Right wing response, please have as many guns and as much ammo as you like. Hurricanes are more severe and intense. Right wing response, burn more coal. Contraceptives are a no-no. Right wing response, those kids with irresponsible parents are not going to keep benefiting from welfare, food stamps, and school food programs. Stand at attention for National Anthem to honor our military and country. Right wing response, cut medicaid to 1.75 million vets who depend on ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 11:30 AM
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You leftists are delusional if you think owning a gun gives 'tacit approval ' to mass murder! Liberalism is a mental disorder, an armed population are citizens, an unarmed population are subjects. This evil bastard could have driven into the crowd with a lifted truck and killed and maimed on a grand scale, wanna ban vehicles too?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 2:13 PM
Interestingly enough, we do license, register, and test vehicle owners, don't we?

And you're misunderstanding: it's not mere ownership of a firearm that indicates indifference to mass shootings, but the staunch opposition to any policy measures that may reduce their frequency.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 2:23 PM
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Correct, we do not want a national gun registry or as you put it (policy measures) It would make gun confiscation in a martial law situation to easy and like bigfreash has pointed out would quickly lead to us being a population of "subjects"

No thank you, I for one choose to keep my constitutional rights to the bitter end !

MAGA !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 5, 17 2:35 PM
And that's your prerogative, They call me.

I was merely pointing out that those staunch stances in favor of inaction are why our collective response to mass shootings can be accurately described as indifferent, ambivalent, or tacit approval of the status quo.
Oct 5, 17 2:54 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
As for the "policy measures" I refer to, a registry is an option, but not the only one. One alternative, the ban on "bump stocks" that help maximize the number of rounds a semi-automatic firearm can send downrange, is being kicked around Congress right now. My personal opinion is that this is too little too late; that there are too many firearms out in the wild with too much destructive firepower to do anything meaningful about through legislation. I predict mass shootings will continue as a reflection of the zeitgeist of violence & personal freedom we've cultivated, and that we'll see "number of people killed" turn into an arcade high score that crazies seek to beat on a regular basis.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 2:54 PM
Yes, and now we have Rep. Scalise:
Almost murdered by gunman
Refuses any sane gun control
Life saved by married lesbian
Works to kill LGBTQ rights (about to speak at national
convention of LGBT hate groups)
Healed by access to healthcare; claims it a "miracle".
Votes to gut healthcare
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 6:08 PM
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Gun confiscation? Martial law?

That's your excuses for enabling mass murder?

That's [expletive deleted] idiotic.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:45 PM
What are you suggesting that in your opinion would be considered not "enabling"?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:48 PM
I must most wholeheartedly disagree with your description of those who would not give up their constitutional right. it is not inaction, the liberal catchword of the minute, There is evil in the world, and evil will find a way to manifest itself. Do not presume that the vast majority of. Firearm owners condone in any way the actions of the Vegas madman. Gun owners are no different than anyone else. Could be the shooter was an antifa liberal inspired by extreme liberalism
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 5, 17 6:11 PM
I think you misunderstand: obviously gun owners don't condone mass murder, and there's plenty who support rational regulations (the abovementioned bump stock might be one many agree on), but the blasé response to these events is now a predictable collective shrug.

If you would not describe our response as inaction, what would you call it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 7:26 PM
Do you own semi automatic, or automatic weapons?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:43 PM
Z, what is your point for asking such a question?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:19 PM
If you don't own either, you have nothing to fear from "gun control".

If you do choose to own semi auto weapons, lock them up at the gun club and keep them there. Modern version of regulating and stockpiling arms meant solely to kill in high volume.

More guns means more gun deaths. At least we're number one at something these days besides obesity, incarceration rate, divorce rate, car theft, rape, student loan debt, and murders...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 8:29 PM
That is just plain silly Z. Let me ask you. What personal experience do you have with firearm ownership? Ever owned one? Ever fired one?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:37 PM
Yes and yes.

Other than hunting for sustenance they serve no other useful purpose IMHO. Of course if you want to go old school, persistence hunting is an interesting experience.
Oct 5, 17 8:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
Another coward enabled: A Plainview man was fatally shot Thursday morning on the Upper West Side by a disgruntled former employee who he had fired two days earlier, NYPD officials said.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 8:45 PM
That's three straight comments that end in unanswered questions. Will this be a third?
Oct 5, 17 8:47 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Should have re-freshed the page before commenting
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 5, 17 8:47 PM
I can't rationally discuss the subject with you if you believe firearms ownership should only be for hunting without even considering personal protection.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:53 PM
Might I suggest Mr. Z. an ACOG scope on the old blunderbuss.

Let me ask you the same question Mr. Z, Do YOU own semi automatic, or automatic weapons?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:56 PM
No. I do not keep military grade arms in my personal possession.

As far as "personal protection" do you really need semi or full automatic weapons for that? Oh, I forgot. The United States Army one day will come knocking...
Oct 5, 17 10:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
Shooting people is not a "useful purpose" IMHO. Thanks ever so much.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 10:35 PM
I see. Besides misclassifying civilian arms (semi-auto) as military (full auto) you prefer to diminish the rights of others.

You know absolutely NOTHING about me nor much of America.. but the answer is an emphatic.... yes, I do need them for my protection. But whether I need them or not is inconsequential to the discussion for it is my right to keep and bear and it isn't up to you or any other Leftist Progressive who want to send us back to the middle ages.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 10:52 PM
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Z, you really are out of your depth on this subject.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 11:18 PM
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Assault weapons are military arms. No fancy legal definitions will change that reality. My guess is you probably filed a lawsuit over the AWB.

Why do you need assault weapons in your home?
Oct 6, 17 7:31 AM appended by Mr. Z
Isn't there a reason why one needs a concealed carry permit? Courts decided the Second Amendment did not support that, didn't they?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 6, 17 7:31 AM
Incorrect on all counts and you guessed wrong Z. You see, those "fancy" yet inconvenient definitions are what's used to classify arms. It's the reason the Obama ATF approved certain add-ons. And no, in most states no reason is needed for concealed carry permits. Courts this week in fact, DC specifically, threw out the concealed carry ban as a result of multiple constitutional losses*.

As to why I "need" weapons in my home? First off, none of you f'n business. But I will say, some people ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 10:17 AM
No matter what you think, or believe or what lobbyists and lawyers have wet dreamt up, the weapons in question are designed to maximize damage and kill in as short a time as possible.

Those who wrote the 2nd Amendment would never have allowed them outside of a regulated and inventoried in a militia stockpile. What would James Madison say?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 6, 17 10:38 AM
Z, you know this how? Pure speculative poppycock. My guess is you would never have been a founding father. Probably a loyalist. England will take care of us.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 1:42 PM
Speculative in no way at all.

Weapons for war were regulated, inventoried, and monitored by the state. This is historical fact. States did not tolerate concealed weapons. Even Kentucky set a precedent regarding it in 1850.

The main difference now is you've got fancier lawyers and more people who apparently don't mind mass murder as long as it doesn't happen to them or their family. I'm sure all the victims of mass murder will find comfort in knowing that your alleged constitutional ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 6, 17 3:07 PM
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1850? Really? Weapons are still monitored by the state.

You do realize that most crimes occur with illegal weapons?

You want to get in the head of people alive over 150 years ago and not call it speculation?

My right to own firearms is not alleged.

Lastly. I have no right to own an automatic weapon. I know you are not willfully ignorant so perhaps you just ignore the facts to suit your argument in this case.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 7, 17 12:13 AM
Well, I don't believe you have the right to own semi-automatic weapons either. If you want one, join the military.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 4:02 PM
From the Sydney Morning Herald:
"It is incomprehensible to us that a country so proud and great can allow itself to be savaged again and again by its own citizens. We cannot understand how the long years of senseless murder, the Sandy Hooks and Orlandos and Columbines, have not proved to Americans that the gun is not a precious symbol of freedom, but a deadly cancer on their society.
We point over and over to our own success with gun control in the wake of the Port Arthur ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 6:13 PM
I long for the day when mass murders of all persuasion and size horse (high in this case) used other methods to carry out their deranged acts. Ahhh... the good old days.

"Eight brothers and sisters aged from 18-months to 15 years old have been found stabbed to death in a house in Australia, prompting the nation’s leader Tony Abbott to lament that “these are trying days for our country”". 12/19/14 Telegraph:
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 6:50 PM
Pointing out this anomaly as a case for reinstating liberal gun laws in a country that's been mass murder-free by gunshot since 1996, are you?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 7:24 PM
Of course not, merely acknowledging the problem exists with other instruments in other countries. Acknowledging the common factor is human, are you? When there's a bombing we blame the bomber. When there's a drink driver, we blame the driver. When there is mass murder by knife, we blame the stabber. Why when there is a shooting, do we blame the gun?
Oct 5, 17 8:29 PM appended by Po Boy
Still waiting to hear a solution that would make a difference from the same crowd that think police are oppressive and thinks a symbol of patriotism an love of country and sacrifice ins't worth standing for.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:29 PM
I think the only legislative tools with a possibility of decreasing future deaths AND passing congress (in keeping with the constitutional ban on sawed off shotguns) are regulations targeted at technology that maximizes a weapon's capacity for destruction beyond a reasonable amount.

The bump stock ban being debated would be one example, but frankly my opinion is that it's too little too late.

Record-breaking mass shootings every year are normal and will continue to be until there ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 6:28 AM
You do realize you only need a pair of pants to create the same thing a bump stock can do, right?

Then what? Confiscation? Talk about a slippery slope in the land of the free and home of the brave.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 9:39 AM
How simple bump stocks are to manufacture go to my point of "too little too late."

Perhaps we can knock down a couple of body counts here and there by restricting high-capacity magazines, or bump stocks, or armor piercing rounds, but I predict we'll continue to see mass murder in record-breaking numbers regardless of what regulations we manage to promulgate, merely by virtue of how many arms are out in the wild already, and the inevitability of their firepower coming into unstable hands.

God ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 2:05 PM
You're missing the point. Ban bump stocks to your hearts content, you don't need the part to get the same end result of rapid fire. All you need is a pair of pants, literally, for example. The physical act of producing a product is the byproduct of human mental ingenuity, plain and simple. In other words, give me an altered firearm and in minutes I'll have removed the altered part and give you the same result as had the altered part still been on the gun. The point: people will figure out a way ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 3:17 PM
I get what you're saying, but my point toward such regulations is that, no matter how ingenuous, an amateur hotfix will be less efficient, which would be the point of hardware restrictions: to reduce the amount of damage a mass murderer can commit, not to prevent it from happening at all.

We are stuck with mass murder for the foreseeable future, so we might as well live our lives accordingly.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 3:25 PM
"which would be the point of hardware restrictions: to reduce the amount of damage a mass murderer can commit, not to prevent it from happening at all."

I don't think you're getting the point at all. You can restrict hardware add-ons all day long. The capacity to bump fire exits even without the hardware devices, with just as much efficiency. If the lunatic didn't have BF devices, what occurred could still still take place.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 12:32 PM
The discussion for gun control ended after Sandy Hook, when it became bearable for America to have murdered children.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 5, 17 7:19 PM
Sick!
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:51 PM
It is sick, yet you think it's okay that nothing should change.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 5:37 AM
LOL, incorrect. I would hope the decay of society would most definitely change whether it be carnage in Chicago or in Las Vegas.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 9:33 AM
But are you hopeful that it will in the face of inaction? I know I'm not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 9:35 AM
The decay of society and legislative action for the sake of action are two different things entirely. The latter will have little impact no matter what is passed. The lunatic fringe will always find a way and the law abiding majority will pay the price.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 9:45 AM
You wrote: "The latter will have little impact no matter what is passed."

It's undeniable that tough laws in other countries has been wildly successful in reducing gun fatalities as far as statistics go.

While I hope alongside you for a change in the "decay of society", or more specifically a decrease in mass murder, I am resigned to accept the futility in promoting legislation destined to fail despite its merits.

Evidence-driven legislation should be at the forefront ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 10:24 AM
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You can not legislate crazy. Mass murder continues even in Australia. Sure, if you can even ban soda, but no one except diabetics will be drinking it.

Evidence-driven legislation will show both sides and it will be debated a million ways to Sunday. Gun homicides have declined over the past couple decades.

Like it or not the Second Amendment remains and that's not emotive, it's constitutional and there are probably over 300 million guns include over 60 million AR style semi-automatic. ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 11:35 AM
"Safeguards to the degree constitutionally able" are all we ask for.

Two centuries of jurisprudence have shown that hardware legislation is enforceable, most notably in terms of the US v. Miller decision which says sawed off shotguns are not protected by the 2nd amendment. Perhaps one day well will collectively find that such legislation is also a prudent part of the conversation, probably as the result of an unimaginable tragedy, or one that disproportionately affects those with the power ...more
Oct 6, 17 11:48 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also, what does a "focus on core societal values" look like? The best I can imagine is a high school gun safety class being taught alongside economics and government, which I'd be in favor of.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 11:48 AM
It would change by what? prayer? Don't hurt yourself, just sit on the sidelines spouting, I can have all the guns and ammo
I want. Save your prayers the next time it happens.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 12:22 PM
Fore, you're citing a case that is complicated and BOTH sides reference it as a win. The gun in question, a sawed off shotgun, had not been shown to be "ordinary military equipment" that could "contribute to the common defense. In reality, shotguns WERE used during WWI with 30,000 and 40,000 short-barreled pump-action shotguns were purchased by the US Ordnance Department and saw service in the trenches and for guarding German prisoners. Whether the SCOTUS were aware of that or even considered it, ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 12:47 PM
I'm merely pointing out that constitutional regulations do exist, and by refusing to pursue legislative options we are collectively acquiescing to the status quo.

The lack of specificity in your plan to strengthen "core societal values" doesn't inspire confidence either.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 1:09 PM
Why should it change Mets Fan? Why should law abiding citizens have their rights infringed upon because of the crazy in some? There is no law, or lack thereof, or organization that is responsible for this man's mental illness. Liberals think you can protect everyone from everything regardless of whose rights get trampled. If that is the case we should make the internet illegal to protect me from having to be subjected to stupidity.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 1:57 PM
Thank you dnice! That's the blasé admission I've been looking for: "mass murder is normal, get over it."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 2:06 PM
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I would suggest the core values of the shining example of Australia and the US are much different and it's been years in the making getting to the decay of society we have. Decay rght down to BLM, kneeling during the anthem. general respect let alone respect for authority, the sanctity of life, and so on.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 3:20 PM
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Still waiting for some specifics on how to stop the "po" decay of society.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 3:27 PM
Sit at home, perfectly content with the status quo. More mass murders, so what, as long as everybody has as much guns and ammo as they like. You weren't outraged enough after Sandy Hook, certainly this isn't enough to move you. Despicable people. Save your reality show lingo for your incompetent, classless, bright shade of orange, drama queen president.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 5:34 PM
Don't put words in my mouth. I never wrote not intimated that mass murder was normal.
Oct 6, 17 7:55 PM appended by dnice
nor
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 7:55 PM
It is self inflicted, the stupidity. Get off the computer, feel content that changing nothing is the way to go. Lost fifty-eight, ho-hum. Next!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 8:09 PM
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Dnice: when you wrote "why should it change?" what did the "it" refer to?

I assumed you meant the status quo, which is record-breaking mass shootings on a regular basis.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 11:18 PM
You know what happens when you assume.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 11:22 PM
Well let me ask it this way: what did you think "it" was when you responded to Mets Fan? Gold star if you don't ignore the question this time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 11:24 PM
What is this, child psychology? Not interested in trap questions. You know what you can do with your gold star?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 11:32 PM
It's not really a tough question. In the context of Mets Fan's comment, "it" referred to the status quo of mass murder on a regular basis.

In your response, it sounded like you felt that didn't need to change.

Feel free to clear any of this up for me because I'm confused as to what you meant, or why you're getting so defensive.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 11:39 PM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 12:40 AM
Homicides by firearm per million people:

Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.6
Germany 1.9
Austria 2.2
Denmark 2.7
Netherlands 3.3
Sweden 4.1
Finland 4.5
Ireland 4.8
Canada 5.1
Luxembourg 6.2
Belgium 6.8
Switzerland 7.2

United States 29.7 **** Any *****n questions?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 7:56 PM
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Or put another way:
Number of years to record same number of gun fatalities as US records in one year:
UK 204
Japan 1100
South Korea 1320
Hong Kong 16,500
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 5, 17 8:05 PM
On the bright side, we're NUMBER ONE at something.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 8:15 PM
You sure are number one at being irrational after a national tragedy.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 17 8:18 PM
I bet you both were kneeling when you typed that.

El Salvador has the highest murder rate at 108 per thousand. And?

And so there it is! It will not end until the second amendment is repealed and all guns are confiscated and banned. We've gone from meaningful addressing the evil that occurred in LV to banning all guns. it's the Leftist ultimate goal ideologuely driven by the same people who demonize the police and don't mind if Iran gets ICBMs. among so many other things.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 5, 17 8:44 PM
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And Salvadorans are denied amnesty. Others are deported and sent to their death like Giovanni Miranda.

Makes one scratch their head...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 5, 17 10:37 PM
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By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 7:27 AM
Ahh, the trolls have made their way from under the bridges...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 6, 17 7:40 AM
The public is not being told the truth about what really went down in Las Vegas.

As you will see below Mr Z, the evidence is mounting that there were multiple shooters and that this was an operation that was planned well in advance. But according to the mainstream media, a 64-year-old retired accountant with a flabby physique that had no military training whatsoever and that wasn’t very experienced with guns was able to pull the whole thing off all by himself. We are being told ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 6, 17 12:42 AM
Someone's never heard of Occam's razor.

The only part of this conspiracy theory that I'm going to touch is the one about rate-of-fire: bump stocks make it possible to fire much faster than a semi-automatic rifle would usually allow. The shooter was able to hurt hundreds of people by having the capacity to send hundreds of rounds downrange in a matter of seconds and keeping several loaded rifles on hand.

Now a question for you, Dan: if there were more shooters, why do we only hear ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 6:19 AM
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Because irrationality, fear, and paranoia make one more likely to believe conspiracy theories. Also, plain stupidity listening to right wing radio nutjobs doesn't help either.

Ask any qualified mental health professional.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 6, 17 7:22 AM
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Waterboard the wife and the brother until they sing. They are both lying.
Oct 6, 17 7:25 AM appended by SlimeAlive
Trump has never taken a DIME from the NRA. Now if you can explain your need to defend the girlfriend and the brother of the worst mass murderer in US history that would be great.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 7:25 AM
Remember when Slimy was caught lying about NRA contributions to Trump further up? Who would believe him if he was calling someone else a liar, specially with such scant evidence?
Oct 6, 17 7:32 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
To your append: The information is all public and anyone who is unsure can quickly confirm that the NRA did, in fact, give money directly to Trump's campaign, and poured millions into Pro-Trump Super Pacs. To your second point: I don't need to defend anyone, that's what their attorneys and constitutional rights are for (for example, due process, which stands in the way of your torture fantasy). I just enjoy pointing our your slimy lies.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 7:32 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 9:30 AM
John Podesta, Bill Clinton, Jeff Epstein and Anthony Weiner have all rallied around the Democratic kingpin, East Hampton's own Harvey Weinstein.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 6, 17 8:08 AM
Way to go, Donny Boy:

> September job LOSSES; wage disparity persists.

> Saudi Arabia has signed preliminary agreements to buy S-400 air defence systems from Russia, officials said, on the sidelines of King Salman's "landmark" visit to Moscow.
Along with the S-400 anti-aircraft missiles, Saudi Arabia is also set to buy Kornet anti-tank guided missile systems and multiple rocket launchers under the deal.
King Salman led a delegation to Moscow that ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 11:13 AM
wage disparity persists?

hurricanes impact jobs

an unreferenced cut and past job about saudia arabia

do you have any idea how profoundly that post reeks of desperation?
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 6, 17 12:59 PM
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It's probably unfair to fault Trump for the September job losses. At most, you can say he failed to weather the storms as his predecessor did.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 2:16 PM
That's one possibility that Trump didn't weather the storms as well, or it could have been the one and only time special BLS estimation procedures used in the aftermath of Katrina and other storms - the last active season - to normalize the data to give that impression, now could it?
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 3:06 PM
Last active season was Katrina? Aren't you from Southampton?

Where were you for Irene and Sandy?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 6, 17 3:32 PM
Wow someone has an awful lot invested in seeing there country and president fail. Tell us how you really feel Junezy
Oct 6, 17 5:01 PM appended by 27dan
Watching the decline of NFL ratings is now more interesting to me than following the NFL conference standings.The NFL is hemorrhaging viewers of all races and ages at a frightening pace.With the NFL’s Week 4 in the rear-view mirror, a review of TV ratings through the league’s first month show that the NFL has lost millions of viewers .The best part of it is they seem so supprized to find out that we aint fair weathered fans nor sunshine patriots... we are winter soldiers and I'm heartened to say winter soldiers from ALL DEMOGRAPHICS who love their country and their brother and sister citizens more than cheap entertainment. RIP NFL MAGA !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 6, 17 5:01 PM
The NFL lost me long time ago with the thuggish behavior.I'm proud of all those who care more about their country, flag, national anthem, the military & our wonderful cops than they do about a bunch of thugs.

And, I'm a guy who paid for 4 Season tickets for many years, and a guy who played 8 years of football. Now, I see the NFL as much of an un-American thing as I see La Raza or Black Lives Matter or Antifa.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 6, 17 5:12 PM
you guys are amazing americans thank you for standing up for what is right and making the nfl pay a price for there behavior. and by the way us girls don't mind having you around on the weekends a little more ~ wink ~
Oct 6, 17 5:21 PM appended by Erin 27 E
their
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 6, 17 5:21 PM
Americans Are Pouring Back Into the Workforce, Jobs Data Show
By Jeanna Smialek
October 6, 2017, 11:35 AM EDT
Last month saw a surge in people jumping straight to jobs
Fewer people are going from out of labor force to unemployment

Looks like the slackers and takers are finally getting the message !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 6, 17 5:29 PM
What are talking about, lost 33,000 jobs. First job loss since 2010. What planet are you from?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 6, 17 5:41 PM
Source: NY Times 10/6/17
"Staggering from the impact of hurricanes that walloped Texas, Florida and neighboring states, the economy lost 33,000 jobs in September, the first monthly decline in employment in seven years, the government reported on Friday.

By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 6:01 PM
The kneeling was protesting police brutality. You made it about disrespecting the flag. That is how racism works.
8 years of football? Good luck to you. Meantime, we'll keep that in mind.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 6:44 PM
June - I don't think you can blame DJ for job loses due to a hurricane.
By bird (817), Sag Harbor on Oct 6, 17 6:45 PM
precedent trump is doing just fine, thank you for your concern.
Oct 6, 17 8:06 PM appended by Erin 27 E
"president" sorry long day
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 6, 17 8:06 PM
"The kneeling was protesting police brutality. You made it about disrespecting the flag." Um, seems it was for a country and the flag it represents.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Colin Kaepernick
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 12:22 PM
"The kneeling was protesting police brutality. You made it about disrespecting the flag." Um, seems it was for a country and the flag it represents.

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Colin Kaepernick
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 12:22 PM
Wage disparity JuneZ? Tsk tsk , your inner Mr Z is showing! There's nothing wrong with "wage disparity " in fact it should be a motivating factor in the workplace, but of course a socialist such as yourself will disagree
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 6, 17 3:53 PM
FYI, the kind of wage disparity that now exists in America is totally antithetical to democracy. We are living in a plutocracy in case you haven't figured that out.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 6:32 PM
plutocracy where have I heard that before ?

Mr Z do you remember what other redistributing socialist on this site might have used that phrase?
Oct 6, 17 8:02 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Draining the swamp has to start within his own administration before it can be drained in the rest of the DC cesspool. Trump is learning. I have confidence he will make a lot of progress in 2018. President Trump gave the establishment the benefit of the doubt and a chance to get on the MAGA train for the first 8 months of his Presidency. He proved you can't teach old RINOS new tricks. Mike Pompeo is a patriot and would be awsome as Secretary of State he could repair the State Dept. ‘subverted’ under Obama
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 6, 17 8:02 PM
Wherein he reveals he doesn't know the difference between a word and phrase. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt.
Mueller talking to Christopher Steele. 80% of dossier already validated. Tick tock tick tock.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 8:34 PM
Easy mommy Zebra, we will find somone to fix your clock so you can get the rest you clearly need.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 6, 17 8:39 PM
June Bug, how many times can you post the same tired quotes?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 8:48 PM
As many times as it's applicable?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 6, 17 9:05 PM
Boring though don't you think?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 17 10:28 PM
Trump is outperforming his predecessor, Barack Obama. And, Tillerson is outperforming his predecessors Hillary and John Kerry. Trump has strengths that Tillerson doesn't have. Tillerson has strengths that Trump doesn't have. Both gentlemen appear to have a bias toward solving problems rather than applying bandaids. Things are looking up.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 6, 17 8:21 PM
On what planet are you talking about? He's on his way to being by far, the worst president in history. Except for the 25% that is his demented and delusional base.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 7, 17 3:33 AM
Notice how he said "outperformed" without reference to any measurable metrics.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 7:47 AM
I actually noticed how he said Trump was going to be the worst president in history without references to any measurable metrics.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 7, 17 8:04 AM
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By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 8:15 AM
Mets actually pointed to the first month of job losses in seven years; that's what this conversation is about, please keep up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 8:25 AM
Different career choices equate to differences in compensation, hence the liberal boogeyman of "wage disparity ". JuneZ, do you really feel that all Americans should be paid the same wage?! A business owner who has invested their own money and time to start a company is certainly entitled to much higher compensation than his employees, agreed ? An employees' compensation in a senior management position should be significantly higher than a recent hire, agreed? That recent hire should be paid more ...more
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 7, 17 3:09 AM
When people talk about wage disparity, it's in the context of other problems such as rising cost of living, inflation, and stagnant wages.

Wage disparity is not bad in and of itself, but when the middle class begins to sink into poverty because their income is not keeping up with their expenses...well, that's a problem for everyone in a consumer-driven economy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 7:46 AM
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There is no such thing as the middle class and you cannot define it. Disparity, including as it relates to wages, exists in every aspect of nature. There is no such thing as fairness either. God didn't create it and it exists nowhere in nature. If your spending is greater than your earning, the answer is simple. Spend less or earn more - but that is a personal problem.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 7, 17 8:07 AM
Lol, coincidentally we've come to the collective conclusion that, sometimes, we lose income through no fault of our own. That's why things like unemployment and disability exist.

An economy requires consumers and will crumble without their patronage, isn't that the point of BLM's boycott of the NFL?

If people don't make disposable income they are not buying goods. If people aren't buying goods businesses are suffering. If you businesses are suffering, so do their stockholders & ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 8:19 AM
Tell that to anyone who came of age post World War II, America's golden age, when government policies produced the middle class which resulted in the creation of the richest, most powerful nation on earth.
Only banana republics are devoid of a middle class, and it's the safety net that protects democracy. One that we're barely holding on to now that billionaires are buying our politicians and writing our laws. After all, isn't it those who feel left behind whom trump has been ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 7, 17 1:15 PM
Who is surprized by the bombshell report on Harvey Weinstein from the New York Times.
Oct 7, 17 8:00 PM appended by They call me
No one because for the left its just pre factored in to the equation
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 7, 17 8:00 PM
The way O'Reilly and Ailes and trump are?
I wouldn't gloat if I were you. There's a dossier ripening in the vault.
Oct 8, 17 8:16 PM appended by June Bug
Now that his film career is over, his only option is to become a presidential candidate. The current denizen of the Oval Office made it with the identical credentials.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 7, 17 8:16 PM
The Rules Are Different for the Rich

A recent crop of stories show how the wealthy avoid facing consequences for bad actions.

Harry Cheadle
Oct 6 2017, 2:00pm


What do Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., Harvey Weinstein, and the fine people of JPMorgan Chase have in common? None of them are in prison, nor have they been charged with a crime. That's not because they haven't done things that seem to be potentially criminal—it's because in America, it's better to ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 8, 17 6:48 AM
To be rich is not what you have in your bank account but what you have in your heart.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 2:34 PM
Exploit? 30+ years of bad management has resulted in Washington producing a large enough population of "those who feel left behind" to elect someone who sees their pain. DRAIN THE SWAMP 7 MAGA!!!!!!!!!!
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Oct 7, 17 1:43 PM
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The irony here is that folks "who feel left behind" have existed much longer than 30 years.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 7, 17 6:01 PM
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A sociopath cannot feel the pain of others. A sociopath cannot even see it.
Ask about the pain of Gold Star parents who were mocked and reviled by a future president. Ask those in Flint, MI who three plus years later still have no potable water how he "sees their pain". Ask how someone who playfully throws paper towels at suffering people sees that suffering. Ask the woman whose hard-won reproductive rights he gleefully took away. Ask the woman who depends on birth control medication for ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 7, 17 8:41 PM
Khan was a wisea** partisan SOB opertunist who made me sick... figures you loved him
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 8, 17 10:46 AM
Left behind with section 8 housing, free medical insurance, free collage, free food, $800 cell phones, fancy rims, $325 sneakers, air conditioning, 70 inch televisions and game systems.

poor folks
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 11:00 AM
Bum and joe h: You really don't need to keep putting a spotlight on it. We got it months ago. Oh, and that's what makes true Christians sick.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 12:13 PM
Hey Bum: Until you have a problem with putting $137,000 to date directly into the pocket of the Grifter-in-Chief just for golf cart rentals for the Secret Service, you need to STFU.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 1:03 PM
So, you're saying the President shouldn't receive Secret Service Protection?

Obama is estimated to have cost tax payers $20,000 per hole.

So what's your point other than seething hatred?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 1:54 PM
Is there no limit to your disgusting defense of this fraudulent thief? You enjoy being ripped the hell off? Have you no understanding of the Constitutional and ethics violations rampant in this administration? For you to mention President Obama-- into whose pocket went not a single cent of the cost to protect him--in the light of this outrageousness is also beyond the pale. At $20MM in his first 80 days in office, trump was on pace to SURPASS 8 ENTIRE YEARS of Obama's spending which came ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 2:56 PM
What I'm saying is the President is entitle to Secret Service protection and this is nothing new. By law, Presidents are prohibited from paying for their own protection.

"For you to mention President Obama-- into whose pocket went not a single cent of the cost to protect him'

To that I say, WTF are you talking about?

Oct 8, 17 3:48 PM appended by Po Boy
BTW: The government ethics head had an appealing offer in hand from a nonpartisan advocacy group, and he said "the time was right to leave." He was an Obama politically appointee.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 3:48 PM
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Of course a president is entitled to SS protection. But never has a president refused to divest his businesses that would benefit from taxpayer money in the course of that protection, or refused to eliminate his conflicts of interest, openly violated all ethics rules, or refused to show his tax returns.
Oh, and please do tell us how President Obama profited from SS protection?
And the ethics head? The one with a more-than-sterling reputation? He left precisely because ethics enforcement ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 4:32 PM
your inability to get over the FACT that the Democrat Party lost the presidency to a political outsider, thank God, has rendered you incapable of rational thought in regards to said President. GET OVER IT!!
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 8, 17 4:54 PM
An "outsider" is entitled to behave as an outlaw? I see.
Oh, and btw, trump didn't win. Hate won. Fear won. Racism won. Misogyny won. Homophobia won. Prejudice won. Indecency won. Stupidity won. Self interest won.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 5:12 PM
"Of course a president is entitled to SS protection."

Hard stop! Everything after that is pure emotional conjecture. Everything in your above post, is damn near a melt down!! Poor snowflakes. Gonna be a long eight years.






By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 6:37 PM
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When you learn the difference between conjecture and fact, then we can talk.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 6:45 PM
Outlaw? Racist? Homophobe? Misogynist? You have just proven my point. Incapable of rational thought when dealing with President Trump. Absolutely hilarious JuneZ, tanks for the chuckle.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 8, 17 7:41 PM
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Do you know how to read people?

If you honestly know how to ascertain body language, facial expressions, and vocal inflection you'd know he's afraid he's in well over his head.

The fear is quite well founded...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 2:20 PM
President Trump is doing an excellent job of trying to keep his promises ! It is up to us to vote out the bums in our own party who want to keep the system the way it is ( CORRUPT ) so they can continue to get rich off the backs of us business people. Vote them out in 2018 and help Our President Make America Grate Again !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 7, 17 3:45 PM
Half Empty Stadiums Today! NFL Ticket Sales Fall Off A Cliff…



KAEPERNICK CAVES: I'LL STAND IF SIGNED! To late ingreat! Get a job at Wendys you bum!
Oct 8, 17 4:20 PM appended by 27dan
Vice President Mike Pence leaves Colts-49ers game after players kneel during anthem. They've burned down their own house, let them suffer the consequences. BASEBALL / NASCAR / HOCKEY / GOLF We will survive without the NFL!
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 8, 17 4:20 PM
Pence works for trump who urinates on the flag and the constitution every day. Today he played trump's poodle in a pre-meditated stunt, and now we learn the photo Pence used in his huffy Tweet was taken at a 2014 Colts game. How could it be otherwise when the press pool was told to stay in the van "in case Pence leaves early"? Like they don't know there'd be kneeling at a 49ers game?
They lie, they steal, they dangle bait for their six-toed sycophants and you fall for their shameless ...more
Oct 8, 17 5:35 PM appended by June Bug
And another thing---that disingenuous SOB who, like Dear Leader, never served a day in the armed forces either doesn't realize , or conveniently forgets, that soldiers--including his own father--fought to defend the Bill of Rights including the freedom to "disrespect" the flag. Disgusting.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 5:35 PM
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Speaking of publicity stunts and urinating on the flag, if I were an owner I wouldn't touch Kaepernick. I think when things got tough for him he'd throw another tantrum and up the stakes somehow, drawing more attention to himself and away from the league.
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 8, 17 6:44 PM
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By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Oct 8, 17 6:44 PM
Again JuneZ, your inability to hold a rational conversation regarding President Trump is just pitiful. The liberals were soundly defeated , DEAL WITH IT.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 8, 17 7:44 PM
No sane person looks to cultists for "rational conversation" when their limited abilities match that of their idol which is to insult and to parrot a laughable slogan.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 8, 17 8:00 PM
Just can't stop lying, or being suckered by liars can you? You'd love the song by Henry Rollins.

Ticket sales have been unaffected. Ask most any ticket broker.

The stupid just burns.
Oct 8, 17 8:43 PM appended by Mr. Z
Not only have fans not stopped going to games, but they're watching on TV more than they did last year. Despite Trump's claim that TV ratings are down, the overall figures for the past two weeks say the opposite. Week 3 ratings were up 3% across all games from 2016, including a spike of 63% in the rating for Monday Night Football,the league announced last week. Overall, viewership for Monday Night Football is averaging 11.9 million through the first four weeks, a 5% increase from last year.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 8, 17 8:43 PM
Even alleged "winners" can be a bunch of losers. Case in point:

CORRECTION: CBS reporter clarifies on saying Kaepernick would stand for anthem, says they didn't discuss issue.
Oct 8, 17 9:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on. ~ Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 8, 17 9:30 PM
Pence proves himself to be without shame.

What a pathetic PR stunt.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 8, 17 9:26 PM
I love it when the Left gets beat at their own game. PR stunt or not, he's entitled to express his opinion too.... you know.

I guess only over payed disrespecting prima donna NFL players and the like can express their opinion.

I salute you Mr. Vice President!!
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 8, 17 9:47 PM
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Pence the Poodle is not entitled to spend tax payer money "expressing his opinion". How about the way President Donny the Insult Comic Dog does?
Oct 9, 17 11:31 AM appended by June Bug
And who's disrespecting the flag if not these jackass dogs exploiting it to sow racial division?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 9, 17 11:31 AM
"Goodness is not being better than the worst."

Sometimes, fighting fire with fire makes you worse than your opponent. Case in point...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 11:54 AM
Donny the Insult Comic Dog ? ?

It is so obvious when one person is really two. lol its really a joke at this point. good morning junez
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 9, 17 11:57 AM
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Really just one
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 9, 17 12:21 PM
Rather significant proof you cannot accept that a group of people other than those you associate with can express the same feelings, opinions, and ideas.

It makes one of quite abject character.

Also, assuming June and I are the same person just makes you a fool. If you're smart enough, you could ping some IP addresses and figure it out for yourself. As it stands...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 1:23 PM
Jerry Jones says those who 'disrespect flag' won't play...
DOLPHINS required to stand...
Oct 9, 17 12:27 AM appended by 27dan
I remember the football strike and how much fun it was to watch a bunch of walk-ons play. Fire the entire team if they act this way. Replacements can be found for a lot less coin.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 9, 17 12:27 AM
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" Replacements can be found " You are correct . Take the absence of highhatsize to this blog, no one misses him since his last peculiar statement on the site . lol

Are outer-space ...more invaders massing on the dark side of the moon in preparation for an invasion?
By highhatsize (3290), East Quogue on Sep 21, 17 11:05 PM

If sick I wish him well if incarcerated not so much. Jay Sears ?



By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 9, 17 12:16 PM
could be, HH was the only one speaking out in favor of the pervert.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 9, 17 5:35 PM
BREAKING NEWS .... Veteran Republican RINO Sen Bob Corker confirmed to the N Y Times that the Republican establishment has been focused on "corralling" President Trump and his agenda.
In an interview with Jonathan Martin, Corker said that most Republican senators realized Trump was a threat to the general world order.

Hey Bob , that's why we elected him, and why people like you will be primaried out!
MAGA !!!
Oct 9, 17 11:16 AM appended by joe hampton
Corker confirming "most Republican senators" are bought and paid for. Elitist boot lickers against freedom.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 9, 17 11:16 AM
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The trip of 1000 miles begins with just one step. Be patient. Trump has weights on both hands and both feet. He then has to swim across a pool of sharks.We the people can see what the establishment and media are trying to do to him and will take further action in the mid terms!

God bless the USA and our elected Patriot President Trump !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 9, 17 11:26 AM
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our president trump will prevail against the deep state and media. don't worry they have been wrong about everything. they have been predicting his fall from day one and he always prevails!
By Erin 27 E (1239), hampton bays on Oct 9, 17 12:00 PM
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More proof that paranoia is the first qualification of being a "right winger".

Do you even remotely realize how you're being used? Please do the human race a favor, and evolve.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 1:27 PM
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@Mr.Z The obliviousness on the part of the cultists is astounding. Then again, when you are incapable of questioning spoon-fed lies, propaganda and appeals to the lower faculties, and do no serious reading, there can be no leap in awareness or evolution.
What follows deals with the very point you make about being used:

New York Magazine: 'The Year Of The Sociopathic Baby-Men'



Without a doubt, 2017 is shaping up to be a year showcasing the worst specimens ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 9, 17 5:00 PM
... talking to yourself is the first sign your losing a grip on reality
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 11, 17 8:15 AM
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Lumping President Trump in with the criminals you mentioned is another example of your inability to be rational when mentioning him. Time to GET OVER your failed liberal ideology being soundly rejected JuneZ. You've become quite a boor.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 9, 17 5:38 PM
Uh, last I checked sexual assault is a crime. Have you not seen/heard your idol openly and proudly boast of his? And did you know he's been twice accused of rape? Once by his ex-wife in their divorce proceedings and which she is legally bound under the agreement to never mention again, and once by a (then) 13 year-old? Defrauding the public is a crime. Are you not aware of his court-ordered settlements to the trump University "students" he defrauded?
Oh, and the author of the article ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 9, 17 6:02 PM
Harry Cheadle
Oct 6 2017, 2:00pm


What do Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr., Harvey Weinstein, and the fine people of JPMorgan Chase have in common? None of them are in prison, nor have they been charged with a crime. That's not because they haven't done things that seem to be potentially criminal—it's because in America, it's better to be rich than innocent.

But a week's worth of stories about the alleged misdeeds of the powerful shows the subtler ways money acts as a ...more
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 6:15 PM
Won't take the time to delete the extraneous, but here's a list of 16 women who have come forward to accuse the Groper-in-Chief of sexual assault. God knows how many haven't......
Judd Legum‏Verified account
@JuddLegum 4 hours ago

1. When Trump became president, people stopped talking much about the numerous women who alleged he sexually assaulted them.
484 replies 9,697 retweets 14,289 likes
Reply 484 Retweet 9.7K Like 14K Direct message
Judd Legum‏Verified ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 9, 17 6:18 PM
I stand with Prisident Trump,

The wall must be built.
NAFTA must go.
The Iran deal must go.
Corporate tax rates must be cut below 20%.
The tax code must be thrown out, and rewritten to less than 25 pages.
China must be cut off until they stop manipulation of the currency markets.
Obamacare needs complete repeal, and no replacement.
We must get a balanced budget agreement.

Stand with Trump, stand for his policies. If he loses his base we go back to ground ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 9, 17 7:04 PM
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Sunday night football has sliped again as arogant NFL ratings continue to tank ! NBC’s sunday night football earned 10.6/18 in metered market results, that fall constitutes a 3% drop from last week’s numbers and now Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones seems to be fed up with the disrespectful national anthem protests infesting the NFL. Jones told the media on Sunday, that if his players don’t stand for the anthem, then they won’t play!
Oct 9, 17 7:15 PM appended by 27dan
Stand up for our country! Walk away from the NFL. United we stand. Say no NBA. Say no to record companies propagating rap. No sjw teachers. No thugs in our communities. Secure our border and unite this country. We must fight in any way we can to save our culture and history and future. In big ways and small, united. BOYCOTT ESPN,
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 9, 17 7:15 PM
Facts, the right wing kryptonite:

SeatGeek said according to their sales data, they’re seeing a similar number of transactions each week. So the conclusion here is that there either has been no impact from a call for a boycott or there is a number of folks buying tickets because of the publicity the league has been getting.

Not only have fans not stopped going to games, but they’re watching on TV more than they did last year. Despite Trump’s claim that TV ratings ...more
Oct 9, 17 10:16 PM appended by Mr. Z
"Winning", LOL!! As Oakland-Denver was a late start game, most of the country probably went to bed. Logic is a word which does not exist in right wing vocabulary. Perhaps you've heard of "Occam's Razor"?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 10:16 PM
Dan don't worry the NFL and ESPN are getting there clocks cleaned ! The ESPN reporter who tweeted that D T was a white supremacist has been suspended after a second violation of company social media policy... and all the empty stadium seats everywhere... MAGA !
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 9, 17 7:22 PM
Have you ever heard of "True Believer's Syndrome"?

It's ordinarily symptomatic of those who refuse to believe they've been conned...
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 9, 17 10:27 PM
'MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL' Ratings Fall To Season Low...

NFL Owners to Discuss Policy on Standing for Anthem
A league spokesman said the rule change would not require player approval
By Matthew Futterman

Oct. 10, 2017 12:35 p.m. ET Wall Street Journal
The NFL owners will discuss at meetings next week whether to unilaterally change the league policy to require players to stand during the national anthem.
Oct 10, 17 1:29 PM appended by 27dan
I have gone four weeks without a Anheuser-Busch product
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 10, 17 1:29 PM
Riiiiiiight.


"...last night’s game was up 8% in MM ratings from the last year’s Week 5 matchup between Tampa Bay and Carolina."

Perhaps it's moreover related to yesterday being a holiday (week 5 usually falls on Columbus Day weekend) or perhaps you missed the MM rating skyrocketing during the "Star Wars" trailer?
Oct 10, 17 10:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
Incidentally, yes you do look like fools to anyone capable of logic based reason.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 10, 17 10:28 PM
Trump losing his grip on rural America.

According to the Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll, the Republican president’s popularity is eroding in small towns and rural communities where 15 percent of the country’s population lives. The poll of more than 15,000 adults in “non-metro” areas shows that they are now as likely to disapprove of Trump as they are to approve of him.

In September, 47 percent of people in non-metro areas approved of Trump while 47 percent ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 9, 17 7:49 PM
Speaking of losing your grip....ahhh....never mind.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 9, 17 8:50 PM
Mr. Z is dreaming keep up the good work, Boycott the NFL!!! Boycott the NF L's Sponsors, boycott Nike, boycott Budweiser! Its working you will see 2 more weeks and they will cave bigly!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 10, 17 12:42 AM
Jehovah Witnesses don't salute the flag or sing the national anthem. They regard both as a form of worship. Quakers do not recite the pledge of allegiance or serve in the military. The Amish do not display the flag or recite the pledge in their schools. One black man kneels peacefully and all hell breaks loose. Players must not accept any attempt to forbid their freedom of expression at their work, and in a free country no president can dictate workplace rules.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 10, 17 7:10 PM
Its not the president dictating anything! Its the patriotic American fans that don't like what there doing ! We acknowledge it is there right to kneel if there is no NFL rule forbidding it and we choose to boycott until there is rule ! See how simple it all is.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 10, 17 10:04 PM
Genuflection is no longer a sign of respect or devotion to the "right wing", despite it has been treated as such since the days of the Persian Empire.

If you think a "boycott" is having an effect, you need to put down the Kool Aid. Facts are facts, and Columbus Day falls on Week 5 of the NFL season pretty much every year. This year's game rated higher than last year, and Week 5 is usually a bye week as well.

"Don't left facts get in the way of your wet dreams" should be the new ...more
Oct 10, 17 10:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
P.S. Just for reference, people like myself haven't purchased Anheuser-Busch products or most any other big corporate brew in well over a decade. We support local breweries and and ciderhouses. BTW, Riverhead Ciderhouse is a solid new kid on the block.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 10, 17 10:36 PM
Interesting NFL Facts:

2011: The N.F.L. experienced a rare, if not
unprecedented, religious feud over "the knee" Tim
Tebow took.

2013: The NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing
green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental
health disorders.

2014: Robert Griffin llI (RG3) entered a post-game
press conference wearing a shirt that said "Know
Jesus Know Peace" but was forced to turn it inside
out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking ...more
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 11, 17 8:12 AM
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Don't forget when Miami safety Don Jones gots fined, suspended and sent to re-education camp for daring to criticise nasty on screen Michael Sam tongue kiss with boyfriend on Twitter.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 11, 17 8:20 AM
Was there really any criticism of Tim Tebow's kneeling? Didn't it go viral, culminating in everyone "Tebowing"?

Would love to see evidence of this criticism, because I don't remember it at the time and am skeptical every time someone brings it up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 11, 17 8:30 AM
The unfit, lazy, draft-dodging moron has done nothing but dictate to owners what racist fans are demanding. Here's just one:
Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump Oct 9
A big salute to Jerry Jones, owner of the Dallas Cowboys, who will BENCH players who disrespect our Flag."Stand for Anthem or sit for game!"
His most recent Tweet on the subject demands that Roger Goodell does the same saying "it's about time". And I see Goodell has caved. ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 11, 17 10:56 AM
Jeez JuneZ, more faux outrage, and playing the race card is the last possible , desperate act left for you. AMF
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 12, 17 6:22 AM
To Fore1gnBornHBgrown ....Try google for info on Tim Tebow ...and while you're on line check out You Tube ....Peggy Hubbard can explain what the NFL really stands ( no pun intended) for .......
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 12, 17 7:55 AM
Didn't find any "criticism" of Tebow's faith, and a handful of mocking reactions at most.

Certainly nowhere close to the vitriol aimed at anthem protesters.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 13, 17 6:57 AM
GOODELL: 'EVERYONE SHOULD STAND'...

College Quarterback Dismissed From Team After Kneeling For Anthem...

Meanwhile ... HARVEY OFF TO REHAB
Oct 11, 17 8:00 AM appended by 27dan
Wall Street Journal, By Andrew Beaton Updated Oct. 10, 2017 12:40 p.m. ET Carson, Calif. StubHub Center is an apt name for the modest soccer stadium-turned NFL foster home for the Los Angeles Chargers. The tiny 27,000-seat stadium, named for a ticket-resale behemoth, has struggled this year to fill up for what was once the country’s most popular sport.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 11, 17 8:00 AM
The San Francisco 49ers are 2-19 since their ex-quarterback started this marketing debacle.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 11, 17 8:33 AM
The owners of a business have the right to dictate their employees' behavior when on business time, from dress codes to behavior. Especially when it impacts the bottom line. We have a free work society.....employees can quit if they don'r like the rules.
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Oct 11, 17 11:10 AM
Are you parroting Rush Limbaugh?
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 11, 17 8:45 PM
"Share if you think the President of Puerto Rico is an Idiot and should be fired for incompetence."


Sorry, "delete" doesn't dust your tracks like a typewriter with white out onboard, LOL!!!

It feels like "Blazing Saddles" with The Donald as Headley Lamarr!!!
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 11, 17 8:24 PM
Trump administration's approaches to staffing and security inadequate:

How Israel Caught Russian Hackers Scouring the World for U.S. Secrets

By NICOLE PERLROTH and SCOTT SHANEOCT. 10, 2017
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 11, 17 9:02 PM
Oh please June , "lack of furor"... ?!? Tim Tebow was generously mocked for his dedication to his faith. Compared with a bunch of felon crybabies that complain about the flag and the police....sure June, it's a race thing.....smh
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 12, 17 7:37 AM
Oh please Sturgis, "it's a race thing"? Why, yes, Sturgey, I do declare it is. (With no doubt a side of jealousy.) And to keep his fellow-travellers fired up, the racist president seized on this particular bright, shiny object and outrageously went over the constitutional line for his own ends which has disgustingly further divided the country. What legitimate leader would ever even consider such behavior? Mr. Draft Dodger is suddenly such a patriot? And you shake your head? I just now ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 12, 17 1:02 PM
A QUICK NOTE TO ALL CRIMINALS REGARDLESS OF RACE--- DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME!! Justice is color blind.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 12, 17 5:38 PM
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Tell that to the black victims of police brutality and assassination and the hundreds and hundreds of black victims of the following massacres for which not a single white criminal was punished:


Las Vegas Is Only the Deadliest Shooting in US History Because Black Lives Aren’t Counted

Michael Harriot
10/03/17 2:52pm
News reporters and anchors have repeatedly referred to the recent tragedy in Las Vegas as the “worst mass shooting in U.S. history.” Like ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 12, 17 8:39 PM
@BF: BULL****.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 13, 17 5:43 AM
Sturgis: I took your advice and Google confirmed my experience. The most "mocking" I found was that "hallelujah" was played by a minor league team when he came up to bat and the mascot frequently kneeled, or "Tebow-ed".

Looking further back, there was one writer that exhibited reservations about the Jets signing Tebow because of the LGBT fanbase, which is not really scathing criticism. In fact, the articles that try to dig up this criticism in retrospect seem to have a hard time finding ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 13, 17 6:55 AM
The NFL knelt
The President dealt
The fans felt
Now the NFL stands
Because the ratings in the can
Fake Dreads and Bruised Wives
Entitled easy lives
Whining to no one
Not watching with my son
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 12, 17 7:42 AM
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"The President dealt". Full stop. A government official is forbidden to curtail free speech. Your outrage is wholly misplaced, and you are abusing your son with lessons antithetical to the founding principles of America.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 12, 17 8:54 PM
"The President dealt". Full stop. A government official is forbidden to curtail free speech. Your outrage is wholly misplaced, and you are abusing your son with lessons antithetical to the founding principles of America.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 12, 17 8:54 PM
Abusing??!! By teaching a young person about respect for the flag? You're beyond help.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 13, 17 6:16 AM
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Teaching him that he can burn the flag if he chooses, that dissent is patriotic, that a president is forbidden to insert himself into the affairs of employees of a business enterprise, that no president should refer to a fellow countryman as a son of a bitch, that there is unequal justice in America. Just for starters.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 13, 17 5:14 PM
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NBA has boycotted Trump hotels.

Looks like "The Donald" was secretly retaliating against professional sports.
Oct 12, 17 9:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
“The president has seemingly made a point of dividing us as best he can,” Golden State Warriors coach Steve Kerr told the Post in an interview this week, explaining the shift. His team quit using Trump SoHo in 2016. “He continually offends people, and so people don’t want to stay at his hotel. It’s pretty simple.”
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 12, 17 9:31 PM
Ahhhh, the "Sycophant in Cheap"...

"Moving on from Coal Miners, Trump now says Truckers are the lifeblood of the economy. Next up Fry Cooks and Mechanics as Trumps shores up the "poorly educated" fan base"
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 12, 17 10:06 PM
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION: 'LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION'
Bold new strategic plan declares personhood of unborn.
The Department of Health and Human Services has published a draft of a new strategic plan that states in its introduction that life begins at conception.

Thnak God for President Trump !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 13, 17 12:33 AM
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And if life begins at conception, spontaneous embryo loss is a bigger tragedy than 9/11, the holocaust, and the rise of communism combined.

We should also revise all our population statistics accordingly.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 13, 17 6:43 AM
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And all you "small government" types do not see the hypocrisy, much less the total overreach of the absurdity of government bureaucrats evolving into theologians? Perhaps you'd like it if the state decides what the date of your death will be?
The leading opponent of abortion, the Catholic Church's definition of personhood is viability, i. e. when the brain stem forms and when the fetus can live outside the womb which is considered to be 26 weeks. Until then, it is the equivalent ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 20, 17 1:07 PM
What makes Obamacare, obamacare, is the subsidies. No more subsidies. No more obamacare. RIP. October 2016
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 13, 17 6:07 AM
Hey slimy. So Obamacare died October of last year?

Remember when you were caught lying about the NRA's donations to Trump further up the page? Good times.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 13, 17 7:03 AM
Hey Slimey: How do you feel about the subsidies you are paying to profitable corporations? And who do you think pays for your catastrophic care when you put in your insurance claim. Insurance for which you paid a pittance in premiums vs. the care you expect now that you're ill?
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 13, 17 11:43 AM
I feel richer already. You have to pay for your own family's insurance as I'm off the hook!!
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 13, 17 1:13 PM
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It's a good start!!
Once we can also stop paying for the healthcare of veterans then we'll finally be free.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Oct 13, 17 1:37 PM
only non citizen veterans
Oct 13, 17 3:15 PM appended by 27dan
meaning illegals who fought in foreign battles not for the USA
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 13, 17 3:15 PM
Good luck NY Yankees and dont forget to foget to watch the NFL this weekend!

SCREW the NFL.
Do networks think that by not showing the National Anthem we will come running back to watch a bunch of spoiled, overpaid thugs denegrate our country?
SCREW the NFL.
SCREW the networks.

CBS Does Not Air Anthem Protests But TNF Ratings Nevertheless Slide from Last Week

The Eagles-Panthers Thursday Night Football matchup dropped five percent of the viewership of Pats-Bucs. ...more
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 13, 17 3:36 PM
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Nobody is genuinely suggesting we cut veterans' health benefits.

We're suggesting that purposely hurting folks by leveraging their healthcare politically is a grimy thing to do.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 13, 17 3:41 PM
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You care to elaborate on that word salad?
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 7:33 AM
Yes, I am actually suggesting that if we are going to take health care subsidies away from some then we should go the distance and take them away from everyone, Veterans, the disabled, young mothers, the poor, the middle class...everyone.

That way we can move on to the next thing that we dont want to pay for....like all of those roads that I don't ever drive on.

I'm tryna maga already.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (735), southampton on Oct 14, 17 12:59 PM
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By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 13, 17 12:18 PM
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By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 13, 17 12:18 PM
You just proved my point, Sturgey. Just too blind to realize.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 13, 17 12:51 PM
Well SH press
That was ridiculous to remove my post. Typical, but ridiculous. No Junie , I'm not blind. But I'm interested in how you feel my point proves yours ? Clearly you're not aware of the lengthy rap sheets of many of these athletes that cry police brutality.
Oct 14, 17 7:08 AM appended by Sturgis
Junie I would also love love LOVE to hear your opinion about Thomas Sowell and his opinion on racism!!!!! Oooooh please please PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 7:08 AM
CONSUMER SENTIMENT HITS 13-YEAR HIGH
STOCKS SET NEW RECORDS

MAGA
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 13, 17 3:28 PM
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Our veterans deserve the best of everything! The rest of us should pay our own way without relying on others to pick up their slack.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 13, 17 5:17 PM
Luke 3:11:
He answers and said to them, He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 13, 17 8:10 PM
THOU SHALT NOT KILL how does that square with the liberal sacrament of abortion JuneZ? Amazing when a leftist quotes the Bible, just amazing.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 14, 17 6:32 AM
Someone quoted the Bible hypocriticaly? That would NEVER happen...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 14, 17 6:47 AM
“Pay your own way, cheapskate”
-Alfalfa, Our Gang c 1961
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 14, 17 8:28 AM
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"THOU SHALT NOT KILL".
So saith bigfresh who does not know the Sixth Commandment does not cover all human life. Provided they’re growing, fingernails and hair comprise human life, semen and ova have human life before and after their juncture, and even after that. A fertilized egg that does not lodge itself to the wall of the womb has life, but is there any attempt to retrieve it and give it a decent burial? No, because it is not a person, and that is what the commandment ...more
Oct 14, 17 3:31 PM appended by June Bug
" ....the denial of any of it to PERSONS."
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 14, 17 3:31 PM
And, Mr. bigfresh, you can't call yourself a Christian unless you're a follower of the original "leftist". And when you're a follower of the Molester, Defrauder and Traitor-in-Chief, you can't call yourself a Values Voter.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 14, 17 4:31 PM
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Hollywood Unravels: Clooney Accused of Helping Blacklist Actress Who Complained of Sexual Harassment, NICE, I LOVE IT !I always thought that Clooney was a homosexual and his Arab wife was his beard.This is getting fun! Alec next ? Aflick ?
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 13, 17 7:57 PM
Congress can’t tie their shoes on 60 days. We are out of the Iran deal before years end. By the time Trump is done in 2024, obamas legacy will be reduced to a chip in the east wing’s bathroom tile where he dropped his bong.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 7:05 AM
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Without an original thought, all the orange ignoramus can do is undo Obama's legacy. What is his replacement healthcare plan? Still don't want to ask? Has the first installment come in from Mexico for the wall? ISIS defeated in thirty days? He tried to sell us out to our arch enemy Russia, just so he could have naming rights on a hotel in Moscow. As he said, wouldn't it be great if we got along with Russia. As storms grow more severe and harsher, the orange cheetohs answer, burn more coal. You wouldn't ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 7:47 AM
The irony of you starting off with a comment about original thoughts followed by your listing of profoundly unoriginal thoughts is not lost on me!
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 14, 17 8:27 AM
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Those aren't thoughts. Those are FACTS!!! You keep buying his b.s. Saps all of you, he tried to show you every which way possible that he was incompetent.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:10 AM
Isn't that your composition?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:14 AM
Pee-wee
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:46 AM
Some people are just very raciest round here....
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 14, 17 8:29 AM
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By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:16 AM
It should be painfully obvious, why the orange tangerine has failed in every business he's tried by himself. We don't even know if his hotel business is solvent because there is no transparency with his tax returns.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:08 AM
Yes, I guess I'm racist against orange people, ha-ha!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 9:11 AM
Do you think you guys could leave kindergarten behind?
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Oct 14, 17 10:36 AM
Can you give me details about the Drumpf's trillion dollar infrastructure program? More campaign promises, is there anything he's actually going to accomplish besides letting mentally ill buy guns or polluting our streams?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 11:56 AM
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Former Wharton Professor: "Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had."
Oct 12, 2017 5:26pm EDT by FrankDiPrima

Late Professor William T. Kelley taught Marketing at Wharton School of Business and Finance, University of Pennsylvania, for 31 years, ending with his retirement in 1982. Dr. Kelley, who also had vast experience as a business consultant, was the author of a then-widely used textbook called Marketing Intelligence -- The Management of Marketing Information ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 14, 17 3:54 PM
U Penn states that Prof. Kelley died on July 17th, 2011. Yet all of the fake stories going around the internet quoting him are no more than 2 months old.
It is funny when a simple web search reveals that your spreading fake news.
By Spinny OHO (94), Speonk on Oct 15, 17 9:07 PM
Junie .....you never answered my question...what's your opinion of Thomas Sowell's opinion of racism......???
Come on pal ....I'm dying to know !!!!!!
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 14, 17 5:02 PM
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Uncle Tom Sowell? The darling of the racist right? That Thomas Sowell? Sorry, pal, the opinion of anyone who defended flagrant racists like Robert Bork and Charles Pickering, and called Sonia Sotomayor a racist is not pertinent in any serious discussion of the subject.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 14, 17 10:04 PM
This is getting repetitious JuneZ but the hypocrisy of the left needs to be pointed out. Calling Tom Sowell an Uncle Tom is blatantly racist and just because he holds an opinion different from your own extremist one doesn't make him wrong. Playing the race car as you have done ad nauseum is just desperation, carry on.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 15, 17 9:02 AM
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Is it still racist if many black people hold that same opinion?

Isn't it weird how every time there's a conservative academic of color, they're trotted out by the Republican party for everyone to see?

It's like "but I have black friends!"on a grand scale.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 15, 17 9:08 AM
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Thomas Sowell is a thoughtful gentleman and a great American... thats all
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 15, 17 9:36 AM
I Went to School With the Vegas Shooter
By Greg Palast, Greg Palast's Website
14 October 17
When we were at Francis Polytechnic High in Sun Valley, Steve Paddock and I were required to take electrical shop class. At Poly and our junior high, we were required to take metal shop so we could work the drill presses at the GM plant. We took drafting. Drafting like in "blueprint drawing."
Paddock. Palast. We sat next to each other at those drafting tables with our triangular rulers and ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 14, 17 11:08 PM
And there you have it Junie, you just proved MY point. Mr Sowell is a brilliant man that cites facts, something the over emotional left is not familiar with.
Oct 15, 17 12:51 AM appended by Sturgis
BTW Junie both Bork & Pickering were civil rights activists that were smeared just like ....yep DJT......ironically the only minority you mentioned actually did something racist!!! What are the odds huh ???
By Sturgis (605), Southampton on Oct 15, 17 12:51 AM
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So Sturge, anyone who opposed the Civil Rights Act qualifies as a "civil rights activist"? I see the lies of the likes of Mona Charen still has all o' y'all in thrall. Bork was an extremist and a segregationist who regarded the CRA as "an unwanted intrusion on the right of individuals to choose with whom to associate". His words.

And Pickering? He lied about his efforts “to establish better race relations” in the 1960s both in and after his confimation rejection – discovered ...more
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 15, 17 1:01 PM
Is it politically correct now to talk about gun control. Google the Japanese laws with regard to firearms. Time for action, not prayers.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 15, 17 1:16 PM
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You can talk about anything you like, but the fact of the matter is most Americans do not want gun control, they want there guns! They want there second amendment right to be able to protect there family's from all threats both foreign and domestic.so I suggest you and June move to Japan if you like there arrangement better than our right to bear arms that according to the US Constitution WILL NOT BE INFRINGED !
Oct 15, 17 7:32 PM appended by 27dan
or were you you absent from class that day in the seventh grade ?
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 15, 17 7:32 PM
"They want there? guns". There? second amendment. There? family's?
there? arrangement." Looks like you're the one who was "absent from class that day in the seventh grade".
News flash, Shakespeare: the Japanese have guns, and nobody wants to take yours away. Got it? Oh, and polling shows that most Americans want stricter gun laws. I suggest you get your facts straight.
By June Bug (2536), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 15, 17 7:59 PM
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Wrong again June, Dan is right and the District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), proves it beyond any further discussion! This landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense of family and property. and that any further attempt at regulation by the states would violate this guarantee. The Supreme ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 15, 17 9:21 PM
Yes, of course, the discussion for gun control ended, when America found it bearable to have children murdered. As usual, your okay with that. In todays world, when someone drops a bomb on your head, ask yourself, how will a gun help me. I'm bringing something like Japan's gun laws here. You'll will have to go through very stringent procedures to keep your gun.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 5:46 AM
"I'm bringing something like Japan's gun laws here. You'll have to go through very stringent procedures to keep your gun". Please elaborate on this bit of liberal fantasy Metsfan, are you advocating for the police or military going door to door and ATTEMPTING to confiscate weapons from those who don't meet your criteria for gun ownership? Additionally , trotting out the tired canard of gun owners tolerating mass murder is preposterous.
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 16, 17 6:49 AM
And you have no stench ridden, rotting canards.

It is to laugh.
By Mr. Z (11558), North Sea on Oct 16, 17 7:53 AM
Mr Z tell the gun advocates here about a world similar to THX 1138... think it cant happen ?
Oct 16, 17 8:02 AM appended by joe hampton
just keep taking your meds and be a productive citizen for the state...
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 16, 17 8:02 AM
Kind of like North Korea meets 1984 or Sharia law following country's. Good luck convincing Mr Z , he would love to see America go that way. Everybody equally miserable seems to be preferable to people on the left.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 16, 17 8:18 AM
Why are you tired of it, mass murders still happening, google Japan's laws for firearms, they make a lot of common sense. you don't go through the procedures, you don't get a gun. Just like a driver's license. I see your still very comfortable with mass murders, because you wish to try nothing.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 8:54 AM
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I am all for it as long as every citizen takes the test and it shows up as a passed or failed back round check on our license! Thats it nothing more! That does not mean any one person has a gun or not! NO REGISTRY!

Gun owners have a right to privacy and an expectation they will not become a target for ridicule or confiscation like what happened in New Orleans during Katrina or what happened in Puerto Rico

After Sandy hook the S B papers started to post the names and addresses ...more
Oct 16, 17 10:27 AM appended by joe hampton
New York Times - NEW ORLEANS, Sept. 8 - Local police officers began confiscating weapons from civilians in preparation for a forced evacuation of the last holdouts still living here, as President Bush steeled the nation for the grisly scenes of recovering the dead that will unfold in coming days. Police officers and federal law enforcement agents scoured the city carrying assault rifles seeking residents who have holed up to avoid forcible eviction
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 16, 17 10:27 AM
You register your car, but no guns. If people knew you were a gun holder, wouldn't that be a deterrent to crime, as you claim.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 10:42 AM
You overlook the obvious, deterrent to crime ? yes maybe but you loss the element of surprising a intruded, also disadvantage under Marshall law or forced confiscation. lastly it makes you a target for criminals who want to steal your weapon. try and keep up Mets.
Oct 16, 17 10:48 AM appended by They call me
you also conveniently side stepped the premise of Joe's comment. He said he was fine with a broad based endorsement on everyones drivers license. based on age, citizenship, felony convictions or past mental health record
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 16, 17 10:48 AM
So that is a yes, und dem, mass murder is tolerable for you.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 5:49 AM
Current mood toward mass murder: ambivalent
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 9:02 AM
Current mood toward Constitutional Rights: high
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 10:52 AM
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....... according to the US Constitution WILL NOT BE INFRINGED !



By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 16, 17 7:57 AM
Yes, that's why you can go into walmart and get a bazooka...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 8:59 AM
The Second Amendment is not limited to guns; other forms of "arms" are in fact protected by the 2nd Amendment. However, none of our enumerated rights under the U.S. Constitution are "absolute" rights. The standard of legal review for a law that infringes on those rights is one that requires that such laws be the least-restrictive method to achieve a legitimate governmental purpose. And that's where we are today.

Ensuring the safety and security of the general population from people carrying ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 11:14 AM
Times change, and your not part of any well regulated militia. As it is now, you sit in your basement hiding from sharia law.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 8:56 AM
The leftists here have nothing else to fall back on besides an insane thought that gun owners are ambivalent to mass murder Just ludicrous. Metsfan did you advocate for gun confiscation?
By bigfresh (4546), north sea on Oct 16, 17 10:03 AM
How would you describe the hand-wringing that follows any discussion of gun control?

At least I'm being honest in my resigned admission: mass murder is normal, deal with it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 10:30 AM
Stronger background checks, mandatory education, registering guns, buying ammo from local precincts. Not gun confiscation, gun restrictions.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 10:39 AM
What does any of that mean? It's the same old argument. We don't want to confiscate, we want to restrict. Oh, and if some Leftist that wants to confiscate is elected, we'll "restrict" the supplies at the "local precincts" - how very Soviet bread line. And assuming you can get ammo from the after standing in the bread line, if you don't obey the severe restrictions, THEN we'll confiscate. What part of "WILL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 11:01 AM
So, in your view, the 2nd Amendment is unlimited? How much is an RPG at the corner store?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 11:13 AM
See post above on "absolute" rights and least-restrictive.
Oct 16, 17 11:16 AM appended by Po Boy
But yes, RPGs ARE covered under the second amendment.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 11:16 AM
Well, if you think weapons on the scale of RPGs should be readily available for public consumption and destruction...that's just stupid.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 11:20 AM
Dumb comment since an RPG obviously would be much higher on the scale of mass destruction than the currently banned fully automatic weapon.


Again what part of "WILL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you not understand?



By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 16, 17 11:22 AM
"if you think weapons on the scale of RPGs should be readily available for public consumption and destruction...that's just stupid."

That's NOT what I said. That's what you said. I stated RPGs ARE covered under the second amendment, but they are determined to not be absolute rights and are therefor subject to least-restrictive regulation.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 11:29 AM
You're the one repeating "WILL NOT BE INFRINGED" but apparently agree with the RPG ban? That sounds like an infringement, no?

If it's not an infringement, then you agree that some regulation is necessary and are merely weighing the benefits of such regulation against its downsides.

If it's an infringement, point me to the M1 Abram dealership.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 11:32 AM
Why are you guys arguing a point that the Supreme Court already decided. As a country we are not giving up our Semi automatic rifles or any weapon under that class. Functioning tanks, require a special permits at this time and in my opinion they should. THE END !

We the people will make America Great again !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 11:54 AM
You're characterizing the Heller decision: the holding was that the 2nd amendment guarantees the right to own a handgun in the home. It does not nullify Miller, which held that a sawed-off shotgun was not covered.

My point being that we already "INFRINGE" on the 2nd amendment as necessary: There's no consensus on military-style rifles, but regulations that experience public support DO exist.

If our goal is to decrease incidences of mass murder, or to decrease body counts when it ...more
Oct 16, 17 12:07 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
*mischaracterizing
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 12:07 PM
Crimes are not acceptable nor should they be normal. That's for the violator to own. NOT the innocent.

Let's not forget the decision last week where DC will not appeal concealed carry gun ruling to Supreme Court. It was specifically not pursued fearing the loss at the Supreme Court would have wide spread concealed carry implications nationally.
Oct 16, 17 12:19 PM appended by Po Boy
And yes, there is plenty of consensus on military-style rifles. Semi automatics are Ok...automatic heavily regulated. The 1986 law dictated consensus.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 12:19 PM
Your comment distilled is: "mass shootings are normal and there is nothing we can do to stop it."

If I'm wrong, and that's not what you mean, do tell: what do YOU think we should do?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 12:43 PM
You guys , lol stop letting Mets bait you into a discussion that you have already won. It's so obvious Mets / Fore is just trying to put a stick in a hornet's nest. We have a second amendment and a court decision to back it up . So don't play his game of trying to normalize more regulations. Lol
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 16, 17 1:05 PM
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So what does widow gavits think we should do? All ideas are welcome.

"Nothing" is a tacit admission that mass murder is a normal part of life in 2017.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 1:10 PM
Well, I also think Joe has a common sense approach (above) to who should be eligible to purchase a gun. But I'm not sure about that, it's for smarter people than me to decide. I would be willing to look at this bump stock device and possibly ban it. but for the most part am for the Second Amendment as it stands. I think during the Obama administration we got a look at how scary an unchecked government could abuse it's control .To witness first hand how the power was abused, Lois Lerner and the ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Oct 16, 17 1:38 PM
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Thank you for your contemplation, Widow.

I think there's no single answer to the question of how to stop mass murder in 2017, and many of the potential answers, like unbridled "gun confiscation", would undoubtedly come with more perils than benefits.

At the same time, measured approaches may yield significant improvements over the status quo and we should all be open to evidence-based legislation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 1:58 PM
Be careful what you wish for its not so cut and dry, A year or two ago i would have said conservatives were government conspiracy nuts. Then Bernie supporters got bit, and bit hard ! by the "deep state" and its corruption. At this point in our history I would say widow is right , any government drunk with power can be a very dangerous thing !

I'll be in the basement if you need me.
By local 84 (343), riverhead on Oct 16, 17 2:32 PM
Be careful what you ask for - redux... "evidence-based legislation."

The 2015 violent crime total was 0.7 percent lower than the 2011 level and 16.5 percent below the 2006 level according to FBI Uniform Crime Reporting. How many millions more guns do we have on the streets now than in 2006?
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 2:56 PM
Your understanding of this conversation is really "po"

We're discussing mass murder, not "crime"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 3:03 PM
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Well foregone, I know that fits into a nice little emotional knee jerk reaction bundle for you, but by your own example, we're talking about evidence-based legislation that would restrict gun owner rights. Is mass murder not a violent crime? Does the evidence not potentially support a correlation to more guns and less violent crime? Even local84 injected a response other than mass murder.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 3:23 PM
Do you really want to compare gun deaths in places with less guns to gun deaths in places with more guns?

Are you aware that the U.S. is not the only country in the world?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 3:36 PM
Let's see, let's put widow gavits on the side of the status quo. School children get murdered, an epidemic of mass murders, your okay with doing nothing. Your are right, widow, the conversation about gun control is over when America found it bearable to have murdered children.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 5:12 PM
I'll bet knowing you widow gavits, your husband has never been happier!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 5:13 PM
It sounded to me like widow was willing to contemplate rational, well-thought out legislation, don't be a jerk mets.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 16, 17 5:52 PM
"Do you really want to compare gun deaths in places with less guns to gun deaths in places with more guns?"

Do you really want to compare gun deaths in places with less guns to gun deaths in places with more guns and have a Constitution that gives people the right to own them? First up, I submit the USA.... you're up!
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 6:54 PM
She wasn't willing to contemplate anything. Her view is the same as every right wing-nut on this site. No new measures, mass murders are the price you pay for your interpretation of the second amendment. As usual, the hypocritical right supports the police, but doesn't care how much weaponry potential criminals can obtain.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 16, 17 8:11 PM
Um.... they're criminals. They know a guy who knows a guy. If they want something bad enough.... they'll get it. It's what criminals do. And the police who the Right supports and the Left despises, will tell you that.

By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 16, 17 10:03 PM
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The left are the ones trying to look out for the police d.......s. Criminals just have to walk into a gun show to get what they want. Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada. Gun registry and buying ammo from local precincts will start identifying who is possibly abusing or potentially dangerous.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 17, 17 5:46 AM
But...a majority of mass shooters in recent memory obtained their arms legally.

The problem wasn't "enforcing laws already on the books", it was that the current laws were insufficient, from the extra time (outside the maximum 48 hour waiting period) Adam Lanza's background check required to uncover his mental illness, to the ease with which Steven Paddock assembled a near-automatic arsenal.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 17, 17 7:15 AM
"Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada"... they are legal to buy and possess in almost every state, if you want to pay the fees and taxes for a Class III license. And Mets fan, how you are suggesting this, like you can walk into walmart and simply buy one, is an out right LIE! You've been schooled on this before, so it must be lying intentional.
Oct 17, 17 7:57 AM appended by Po Boy
And Fore, Adam Lanza used his mother's rifle to murder her and her other victims. His mother (an irresponsible gun owner knowing his issues) allowed him access to her weapons. Victims sued the estate due to her irresponsibility. Much of Lanza's preoccupation with violence came from video games and yes, he had mental health issues as well.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 17, 17 7:57 AM
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You're 100% right on Adam Lanza, I meant Dylan Roof...too many mass murderers to keep them all straight.

In that case, the complete, and disqualifying, background check failed to materialize within 48 hours and the laws in play prohibited them from withholding the gun purchase past that time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 17, 17 8:35 AM
And Roof committed his despicable act with a handgun which he owned for months before. But just to keep things real, Roof probably should not have been sold the gun based on his recent drug arrest. The store can always deny the sale even if the background check doesn't come back within three days. Big stores like Walmart do it to avoid public criticism. Small stores don't have the flexibility in their bottom line, and every sale counts and that's what occurred.
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 17, 17 8:54 AM
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Ah, thanks for the detail. It still looks like a gap that can be addressed, whether in extending the 48 hour waiting period, empowering stores with better background resources, or recruiting law enforcement to revoke the unlawful gun purchase.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 17, 17 9:12 AM
Pay a $200 tax and fill out some forms, and your good to go. What am I'm lying about? I saw that people blamed video games and gangs for mass murders. How do you relate that to Paddock?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 17, 17 1:38 PM
"Machine guns are legal to buy in Nevada"

In this example, you've singled out Nevada, implying that they are somehow above federal law. This combined with previous statements that you can buy automatic weapons at Walmart is a pattern... of LIES.

Good to go? HAHA... automatic weapons go for 15-20 thousand dollars and there is a tax/fee each year. What do automatic weapons have to do with Paddock? You see, your correlation of Nevada to Paddock again implies and confirms your original ...more
By Po Boy (4904), Water Mill on Oct 17, 17 2:31 PM
Yep, paddock's were all legally and easily bought.

He easily assembled an arsenal, and skillfully navigated the law by spacing out his purchases, which suggests our current regime of regulations is insufficient to stop mass murder.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7667), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 17, 17 2:41 PM
Where did I say you could buy at Walmart??
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 17, 17 5:29 PM
"He easily assembled an arsenal, and skillfully navigated the law by spacing out his purchases, which suggests our current regime of regulations is insufficient to stop mass murder."

Deep disappointing sigh of