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Oct 30, 2017 3:18 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Met With Pence On Tuesday To Discuss Tax Reform Bill

On Tuesday, U.S. Representitive Lee Zeldin met with Vice President Mike Pence in the U.S. Capitol for a 30minute one on one meeting in the in the Vice President’s Capitol office.
Nov 1, 2017 11:20 AM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin joined 19 of his fellow Republican colleagues and every Democrat in opposing a budget resolution that was approved by a slim margin in the U.S. House of Representatives last week, paving the way for tax reform legislation—and then met with Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday to underscore his objections to a section of the budget deal.

The measure was approved in the House last Thursday, October 26, by a vote of 216-212. Republican representatives from New York and New Jersey—including Mr. Zeldin—had voiced their opposition in the run-up to the vote, citing the proposed elimination of a federal tax deduction for local and state taxes, especially crucial to inhabitants of the two particularly highly taxed states.

Mr. Zeldin said on Monday that he had many conversations with President Donald Trump’s staff before the vote, but that there was “no arm twisting directly from the president.”

Mr. Zeldin met with Mr. Pence in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday morning to emphasize the importance of keeping the deduction in place for the financial well-being of New Yorkers.

“I am negotiating a better tax bill that will offer relief to the constituents of my home state,” the congressman said. He added that he is in support of keeping the entire deduction, although conversations over the next day or two will likely include discussion of a compromise in which there is a cap on the income level at which taxpayers can use the deduction.

According to his press secretary, Jennifer DiSiena, Mr. Zeldin and Mr. Pence met for 30 minutes, one on one, and discussed the importance of keeping the federal deduction, as well as the United States’s relationship with Israel.

Deliberations are expected to continue this week.

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Can we please refer to the actual bill which is tax cutting, and not reform? Or perhaps even more accurately, as a massive giveaway to the rich at the expense of the rest?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 30, 17 3:34 PM
But just think: if we repeal the estate tax then we'll get to keep 100% of our inheritances above $5.49 million!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 17 3:40 PM
Okay, on second thought....
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 30, 17 3:53 PM
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I'm not holding my breath...;-)
By ValGal03 (48), Montauk on Nov 2, 17 7:40 PM
This is why we need to re-elect Lee Zeldin to office. He has a direct line to the President and VP Pence and will help them craft an excellent tax reduction bill benefiting all Americans. Incredible that the corrupt liberals and anti-American democrats oppose this measure, trying to somehow claim the tax reduction will only benefit the rich. If liberals would just take the time to educate themselves on the issues, they undoubtedly would become Conservatives.
By BillWillConn3 (145), Southampton on Oct 30, 17 8:10 PM
Except repealing the estate tax will literally only benefit the rich.

And reducing the SALT deduction will directly hurt New Yorkers, wiping out the tax cut we're hoping for.

And reducing the child credit could actually result in people with 2+ kids rising.

Maybe it's not liberals who should educate themselves.
Oct 30, 17 9:11 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"result in tax burden for people with 2+ kids rising"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 17 9:11 PM
If you really believe what you wrote here you need to change your name to BillWillBeConned.
By VOS (1010), WHB on Oct 30, 17 11:35 PM
I'm sure there's a goldilocks combination of proposals getting kicked around that would actually decrease my taxes, but what I've seen so far isn't it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 5:56 AM
1- why should there be an estate tax in the first place? The funds have already been taxed as income , why should the government get another bite of the apple?
2- Why is there a child credit? A tax break for having children? ridiculous concept.
There is a SPENDING PROBLEM in DC, not an income problem!
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Oct 31, 17 6:34 AM
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Because a progressive tax system, the estate tax, and incentivized deductions starves the beast of opulence. The same system which created the American middle class and one of the greatest infrastructures the modern world has seen. Instead of parking wealth to generate wealth where is does no work, nor contributes to the economy, a progressive system makes sure wealth works instead of it becoming a "fat cat".
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Oct 31, 17 6:44 AM
Slimy, the point I addressed is "who will benefit and who will lose out", if you want to talk about the merits of these tax cuts:

1. Because the estate tax isn't on the person leaving the money, who was already taxed, it's on the beneficiaries who are receiving INCOME. Also, it's only applied on inheritance amounts over $5.49 Million, so I'm not losing sleep over it.

2. Because raising children is expensive and we've decided that it benefits everyone to let parents take home more ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 7:20 AM
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Or, better yet, elect a Democratic Congress - End Zeldin's career - and never have to worry about SALT. With Schumer as majority leader SALT would never see the light of day in the senate even if a SALT like bill emerged from the house.
By number19 (107), Westhampton on Oct 31, 17 7:59 AM
@bigfresh:
Do you not realize that as a loud proponent of capitalism by favoring repeal of the estate tax, you are contradicting yourself?

Inherited wealth is fundamentally opposed to the principle of meritocracy, a tenet of capitalism.

You cannot claim that wealth is purely a result of merit, and then distribute it without regard to same.
Put another way, allowing unlimited wealth to be given to heirs is like allowing unlimited power to be given to heirs.

The ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 31, 17 1:13 PM
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"Starves the beast of opulence"? What in the world is your issue with hard working successful Americans?! These folks have EARNED their money , it's theirs not yours or the damn governments' , they pay whatever tax they must, why do you feel entitled to more of other peoples' money? There's nothing wrong with inherited wealth, it actually helps to keep our local economy humming.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Oct 31, 17 3:37 PM
When talking about estates the money isn't "theirs" because "they" are dead.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 4:42 PM
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why do you feel that the government is entitled to tax money that has already been taxed?
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Oct 31, 17 4:50 PM
The estate tax is on the beneficiary, who receives income in the form of an inheritance. Dead people don't pay taxes. They're dead.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 4:55 PM
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This is simple:
You earn money and pay taxes on it.
Your son does some work for you, you pay him and then he pays taxes on that money that's already been taxed.
BUT, you think if you just GIVE him the money (when you die) he shouldn't pay taxes on it?
By Arnold Timer (271), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 17 7:19 PM
Dead people also don't spend life insurance money. They're dead.

Estate tax, like life insurance, is inheritance. It differs in that it's been taxed previously as income. Life insurance however, is not taxed. It too is paid to beneficiaries. Unlike estate tax, life insurance is not included as gross income but yet is considered inheritance.

But yet, the two are treated entirely differently at death. Other than income generation, why?
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Oct 31, 17 7:24 PM
That's a good question. Maybe life insurance is not a property interest but a contractual obligation? Is it there an attorney in the house?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 7:32 PM
Thank you Arnold.

Infrastructure in the toilet. Speculation rampant. "Wealth creation" wildly out of control. 13.7 trillion in M2, by the way.

But yeah, we need to cut taxes and park more "wealth". We don't need to cut revenue, "We" need it to be directed properly. That means being proper stewards of the environment. I'd worry more about the ppb of methane if I were you.

Bottom line, greed is not good.
Nov 1, 17 11:31 PM appended by Mr. Z
June: bigfresh doesn't understand what he thinks he believes in. Recommended reading for today: "Empire of Liberty: A History of the Early Republic" by Gordon S. Wood. Barbarism still has not passed from this Earth. The "middling sorts" no longer control the government as they once did early on when it was time to "Get Forward". Read up on Thomas Shippen.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Oct 31, 17 11:31 PM
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@bigfresh: You really have no idea what in the **** you're talking about.

Inherited wealth is antithetical to the founding principles of the United States. If you bothered to learn history, you'd know that.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 1, 17 7:20 AM
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@Mr.Z. So true, bigfresh doesn't understand. His previously revealed greed seems to be at the root of it--so strong that repeated explanations of the reasons for the necessity of taxing inherited wealth in democracy have zero impact. Like a child who won't take no for an answer. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Reading recommendations duly noted. TY.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 1, 17 1:57 PM
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@bigfresh: Nothing wrong with inherited wealth; everything wrong with untaxed inherited wealth. 1500 billionaires controlling the world's wealth isn't capitalism, it's feudalism.
"Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same." Luke 3:11.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 1, 17 2:27 PM
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Many of my clients have inherited properties and the funds to maintain them at a high level, anything that disrupts that has the potential to negatively impact my business and the financial future of my family so I am in favor of EVERYONE , including the mega wealthy, being able to keep as much of their wealth as possible. Can any of our resident leftists explain what they want done with increased tax revenue? Eliminating base line budgeting would be a start towards fiscal sanity.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 1, 17 3:26 PM
Repair our severely neglected infrastructure for starters.

Your post proves you don't believe in what this country was ordained to become. Period.

You sir are no student of history, and your ideals are how fuedalism stood for so long. Nobility is not a birthright.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 1, 17 8:20 PM
What increased tax revenue? You're talking about a steep drop in revenue if the estate tax is repealed.
Nov 1, 17 8:37 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
In other words, we're already using that money. If the revenue is no longer coming in, where should we take it from? Medicare? Social security?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 17 8:37 PM
Any estate tax has already been paid on whatever (inherited) property you service, so what are you worried about?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 1, 17 9:01 PM
If you actually took the time to read the article, you would've noticed that Zeldin broke with his party (for once) and voted AGAINST Trump's tax bill: "U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin joined 19 of his fellow Republican colleagues and every Democrat in opposing a budget resolution..."
I'm as American as you are, thank you very much. Maybe even more! (My ancestors arrived in this country in 1635, Et tu?) And that's a conversation stopper, at any rate. If you want dialogue and cooperation from ...more
By ValGal03 (48), Montauk on Nov 2, 17 7:39 PM
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Mr Zeldin is in lock step with the Trump demolition of our government . His centrist self serving ways are a cancer to our system. This tax bill disables the working class and hands out more to corporation.
Mr Zeldin must stand with the people he represents and not act in the interests of the almighty donor
By lo-cal (47), southampton on Nov 10, 17 10:29 AM
Mr Zeldin is in lock step with the Trump demolition of our government . His centrist self serving ways are a cancer to our system. This tax bill disables the working class and hands out more to corporation.
Mr Zeldin must stand with the people he represents and not act in the interests of the almighty donor
By lo-cal (47), southampton on Nov 10, 17 10:29 AM
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I encourage all democrats to fight middle class tax cuts and reductions in taxes for small family held businesses/pass-throughs. That will be really popular in 2018 and 2020.
By SlimeAlive (655), Southampton on Oct 31, 17 6:30 AM
It's real curious that people keep calling a repeal of the estate tax a "middle class tax cut."

To inherit a $5.49 Million estate takes you out of middle-class by definition, no?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 7:23 AM
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Please provide an actual excerpt from the proposed bill that explains exactly how any middle-class families or small family held businesses will pay less tax. I understand that the Republic party claims this is the case but please show us these changes.
By Arnold Timer (271), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 17 7:35 PM
It's being a worked on behind closed doors. They really can't afford to muck up the CBO score on this one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 7:41 PM
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A real concern is lowering the cap of contributions to 401(k) accounts to $2,400 from $18,000 annually. That is a huge reduction in available pre-tax savings that will impact MANY Americans' retirement planning!
By Mouthampton (354), Southampton on Oct 31, 17 10:27 AM
YES! There's so much anti-middle class garbage in this bill I recoil whenever I see it described as middle-class tax relief.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 10:38 AM
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Yes, agreed. In addition to keeping the 401k contribution where it is, the cap on IRA's should be raised to match. That would help the middle class guy/gal who isn't working for a company that offers benefits. HSA's for all would also help. Not sure why tax reform always means giving the 1% yet another tax cut.
By bird (635), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 17 12:48 PM
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"1%"?

Be careful. Some dope might accuse you of "class envy".
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Oct 31, 17 11:34 PM
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Sorry to hear about Mannifort he was one guy looking out for the little guy.
Did you all see what he was paying the guys that cut his grass.Wish I had that that customer.
By watchdog1 (409), Southampton on Oct 31, 17 11:42 AM
We've been able to keep this discussion focused on the proposed tax-reform...please take the indictment discussion to the other Zeldin article.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 17 11:46 AM
Yes, please watchdog, and when your opinion is required it will be promptly provided to you.
By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Oct 31, 17 9:51 PM
The NY police are now saying the 2 terrorists weren't shouting Allah Akbar. Apparently, they were shouting " I'm With Her".
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 1, 17 1:30 PM
Here's the conversation that took place:
Pence:. You'll do as you're told or you'll never work again.
Zeldin:. Yes sir.
By dfree (326), hampton bays on Oct 31, 17 3:48 PM
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By dfree (326), hampton bays on Oct 31, 17 3:48 PM
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By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 1, 17 3:41 PM
White men need not apply.

That’s the message from a Democratic National Committee data services manager, currently on the hunt to filll multiple vacancies in the tech department.

The political organization, which routinely makes grand statements about inclusion, recently sent an email to its employees looking to recruit people for eight open spots including IT Systems Administrator, Product Manager and Chief Security Officer.

Though the Oct. 30 email says that the ...more
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 1, 17 4:43 PM
So, Einstein, how do you achieve (desired) inclusion when it isn't?
Nov 1, 17 5:14 PM appended by June Bug
Or put another way: how do you achieve the (desired) inclusion when the starting point is exclusion?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 1, 17 5:14 PM
I could care less about inclusion for inclusions sake, I only care about individual reward based on merit. I guess I am more colorblind than you
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 1, 17 6:56 PM
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Whom are you kidding, Tcm?

a) Like you care about the Democratic Party.

b) "I could care less about inclusion for inclusions sake".
But you're upset that white males aren't INCLUDED.

So upset that you post the article on an unrelated thread.

c) The icing on the cake is that your bias is showing by implying that unless white males are hired, there would be no "merit".

d) We'd be inclined to believe your interest and concern re: merit if ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 1, 17 7:46 PM
Diversity has inherent value and provides tangible benefits.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 17 6:05 AM
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Diversity is neither positive nor negative. It just is.
-The Way Of The Buddah
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 2, 17 6:14 AM
Diversity has inherent value and provides tangible benefits when it's based on the needs of the country.
Nov 2, 17 8:18 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Speaking from the perspective of immigration, of course.
By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Nov 2, 17 8:18 AM
Barack Obama invited the NYC terrorist into the US, Schumer held NYs door open for him.

If you want higher taxes, more innocent Americans slaughtered and higher health insurance premiums- Vote Democrat!
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 2, 17 6:12 AM
And if you want more tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class, vote Republican! Either way, we're screwed.
Nov 2, 17 8:56 AM appended by bird
And by the way, insurance companies are on the record stating current health insurance increases are a direct result of the instabilities being created in the market by the Republicans and DJT.
By bird (635), Sag Harbor on Nov 2, 17 8:56 AM
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You voted Republican even flow, please elaborate about the cheaper, better coverage healthcare that Donnie Johnny promised and passed. It didn't happen even with a majority.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 2, 17 9:09 AM
Actually the law was signed by George W. Bush; the killer was vetted & became radicalized while here in the US; & premiums are increasing more because Trump ended the subsidies. So...YOU'RE WRONG!
By mcheck57 (3), Hampton Bays on Nov 2, 17 3:18 PM
Actually, it was HW. The Visa Lottery is an ill conceived policy wrought with unintended consequences. The TERRORIST should never have been allowed in the United States. Period. He was open to being radicalized consistent with the same argument of why its a bad program. No family in the US, no means to vett connections for family or ties to know terrorist, etc.s. It's like giving a burglar the keys to your house.

Trump ending subsidies is by no means the sole reason premiums are increasing. ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 2, 17 3:40 PM
I have a hard time getting behind a legislative response to this attack when last month there was zero support for congressional action following the attack in Las Vegas
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 17 8:10 PM
Not really feeling support for a fact based ban on vehicles, huh?

I think your consternation stems from on the one hand, you want to focus on the instrument (a gun), but on the other, you want to focus on the person. Fact is in both instances, the focus should be on the person for in of and by themselves and used responsibly, neither a gun nor a vehicle are inherently dangerous.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 3, 17 8:08 AM
Moreso, I meant to say: mass murder is a fact of life in 2017. Deal with it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 10:05 AM
Hiring based on merit alone is the most equitable way.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 2, 17 6:43 AM
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And the merits of diversity in the workplace deserve to be part of the discussion in hiring.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 17 9:42 AM
BF - I will agree with you that hiring, admissions, etc should be merit based but to properly do so means the playing field must be level. In addition, merit is not just a single grade but the totality of what the individual brings to the team.
By bird (635), Sag Harbor on Nov 2, 17 9:59 AM
Let me rephrase my response, the job or position or admission should go to the MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE, without consideration of race or gender.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 3, 17 6:56 AM
We know what you meant, and are suggesting that an element of diversity is a qualification in some circumstances.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 7:22 AM
diversity in and of itself has no value
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 3, 17 8:47 AM
"Diversity" in the abstract is indeed pointless, but purposeful inclusion of groups that have been historically disadvantaged is beneficial to current and future generations.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 10:03 AM
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Diversity is the one trait in geological history which has allowed life to survive on this planet.

Diversity leads to survival, specialization leads to extinction.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 2:34 PM
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Want to feel good , I just got finished watching "The moment ABC NEWS realizes Donald Trump has WON THE ELECTION!!" On you tube so relaxed I could watch over and over and over again! Oh what a night it was !
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 2, 17 4:24 PM
A man who still sleeps with a binky.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 4:57 PM
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I just watched the video and I must admit it was a bunch of fun.

Thanks Dan
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 2, 17 5:25 PM
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Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) spoke on several radio programes today and will be on the Sean Hannity show tonight regarding a proposed Mueller amendment to limit the special counsel investigation to between March 2015 and the present.

“We know now without a shadow of a doubt that the Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, paid Fusion GPS and Steele to acquire this dossier, which required colluding with Russian operatives and Russian nationals. So, they produced this dossier and I believe, ...more
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 2, 17 5:47 PM
Hilarious.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 6:03 PM
A pack of idiots.

Uranium One is a nothingburger.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 1:34 AM
Kneeling clowns by the pair.
By pw herman (725), southampton on Nov 3, 17 9:14 AM
Jeff Sessions allowing Uranium One's "Moscow Mule" Robert Mueller investigate Russian bribery, kickbacks, racketeering, and money laundering, is like J Edgar Hoover having Al Capone investigate mob bootlegging in the 1920's.
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 2, 17 5:50 PM
It's already been investigated. Where have you been?

The United States hasn't used a cyclotron to enrich uranium in fifty years. We already have all the weapons grade material we could possibly need.

Anyone who believes Hannity and Limbaugh is simply an idiot.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 1:20 AM
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Jefferson Sessions is going down, too, friends. Already perjured.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 6:04 PM
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Time for a Special Prosecutor for the Democrats' 'Dossiergate': they paid for a 'Russia Dossier' which the Obama administration then used to weaponize the FBI, and our intelligence services, against the Republican candidate for President. It's absolutely OUTRAGEOUS! Democrats ALWAYS accuse others of EXACTLY what they have been doing themselves. This is why they went after Trump for "collusion with Russia" because it is exactly what they have been doing all along.
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 2, 17 7:06 PM
Y'all ever think of pitching your fiction to Hollywood?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 8:09 PM
Hows this for non fiction,

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017"... Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music..."

1) Inoculate self against accusations of being an unapologetic Collectivist, unrepentant liar, and irredeemable ...more
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 2, 17 9:52 PM
Brrrrrreaking: trump's Twitter account done disappeared.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 8:15 PM
Uh, now it's up again.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 17 8:17 PM
GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP
GOD BLESS THE USA
By pw herman (725), southampton on Nov 3, 17 11:09 AM
Not only is Donna Brazil's book an abandon Hillary Ship Call ! but now on todays broadcast of CNN’s “The Lead,” Liz Warren said she believes the Democratic primary was rigged and Bennie got screwed. Really !!! ? I've been lighting myself on fire for a year trying to tell everyone this!

Warren stated, “Look, this is a real problem, Anchor Jake Tapper then asked Warren, “Do you agree with the notion that it was rigged?”

She responded, “Yes.” ...more
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 2, 17 10:02 PM
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Brazile rejected criticisms of the primary as rigged, saying “no evidence” showed so.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 7:56 PM
june all you friends seem to have left the sinking ship what is hilarious is your going down with it hon.
By Erin 27 E (902), hampton bays on Nov 3, 17 12:09 AM
Yes ! Erin Yes! Bhaaaa, It seems to be true, the entire Democrat machine is turning on Hillery and tossed her under the Bus ! . This is a clear call !

Augaa Augaa .... NOW HEAR THIS!..... NOW HEAR THIS!

Abandon The S.S. Hillary , or go down with the ship

MAGA!
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 3, 17 12:19 AM
Morons
Are
Governing
America

By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 1:32 AM
Hillary would have been a fine president but she's a terrible loser, as opposed to Trump who is an well-versed loser, but a terrible president.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 6:01 AM
Hillary is a criminal, that's hardly the attribute of a fine President in the United States of America. I know she's a criminal because I hold the same clearance she does and I'd be in jail had I done the things she has done and verified as fact.

In less than a year, Trump has exposed that his opposition openly burns the American flag, kneels for the anthem, attacks police and the military, shuts down free speech, is against America's success, against the middle class, destroys American ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Nov 3, 17 8:25 AM
Imagine if the democrats actually put in print that they committed mass voter fraud during a presidential election while disenfranchising millions of bernie voters....and the democrats didn't care?
By SlimeAlive (655), Southampton on Nov 3, 17 8:43 AM
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Define mass voter fraud. As a party member I'm angry that she received preferential treatment from the DNC but that doesn't make it new or criminal.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 9:53 AM
No thanks you can read all about it in Donna Brazil's new book if you need further calcification
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 3, 17 10:57 AM
There's lots of things I'd rather spend money on than old news...yeah, we knew Hillary was funding the DNC in August 2015. Keep up kids.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 11:10 AM
NFL's Litany of Excuses Runs Out After Ratings Fall for Second Year
By Lucas Shaw
November 2, 2017, 12:30 PM EDT
NFL's Goodell wont answers the Fans
TV networks and sponsors are running out of patience for the dwindling popularity of the National Football League.

Goodell tried blameing the election for ratings declines last year, and hurricanes for a soft week one in September. everthing except the real reason, trhe protests during the national anthem!

Advertisers ...more
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 3, 17 11:18 AM
Good, maybe tickets will go down.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 11:23 AM
You couldn't pay me to watch a game or knowingly support a sponsor.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 3, 17 1:12 PM
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I bet there's a price someone could pay to get you in a stadium.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 2:01 PM
Sure, it's protests.

That's why it's been a trend for five years. It's 'cause they've been genuflecting for about half a decade.

You just can't fix stupid.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 2:21 PM
You seem very upset with the fact that we are not taking the players crap ? Why so butt hurt ?
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 4, 17 3:38 PM
Nope.

It's simply that you're full of it.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 4, 17 4:39 PM
Well, this is rather inconvenient for Democrats:

Fact Checker Analysis

Senate Democrats falsely claim GOP tax plan will raise taxes for most working-class families

By Glenn Kessler November 2 at 3:00 AM

FOUR PiNNOCHIOS
Nov 3, 17 7:54 AM appended by Po Boy
The Pinocchio Test. In their haste to condemn the GOP tax plan, Democrats have spread far and wide the false claim that families making less than $86,100 on average will face a hefty tax hike. Actually, it’s the opposite. Most families in that income range would get a tax cut. Any Democrat who spread this claim should delete their tweets and make clear they were in error. Four Pinocchios
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 3, 17 7:54 AM
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Moody's Analytics chief economist: Why the Republican tax plan is set up to fail

By Mark Zandi


The Trump administration and Republican Congressional leadership want to go big on tax reform. They have proposed a broad set of changes to the corporate and personal income tax codes, including tax cuts and revenue raisers.

While the proposal is light on many important details, taken in total, it would not add significantly to economic growth, but it would add significantly ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 2:08 PM
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE LOWEST SINCE '00

The U.S. jobless rate fell to a 17-year low in October and employers hired at a strong pace

By Harriet Torry
Wall Street Journal
Updated Nov. 3, 2017 10:41 a.m. ET

THANK YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP!

We are well on our way to making America Great Again!
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 3, 17 10:59 AM
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Don't forget: growth about 50,000 jobs under expectation
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 3, 17 11:11 AM
Hey, Tcm, here's your "employers hiring at a strong pace" and the Con Man-in-Chief MAGA:

Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort has been granted 70 visas to bring in foreign workers for the winter season, The Palm Beach Post reports.

That’s a 9 percent increase from last year, when Mar-a-Lago hired 64 workers under the H-2B visa program.

The new visas will go to 20 foreign cooks, 35 waiters and 15 maids and housekeepers for the 2017-18 tourist season, ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 4, 17 1:11 PM
all perfectly legal , what's your point? Business exists to make a profit, period. Any legal way to increase the bottom line is fine. Anti Capitalist rant coming in 3--2--1
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 4, 17 3:52 PM
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Mr. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs can't find American cooks, waiters, maids and housekeepers? You know full well that that is the point. Like normally recognizes like, so how hypocritical does the jackass have to be before you get it? Still manufacturing his crap abroad, and still hiring "fereners". (Except those he banned, that is.) That he's profiting from his presidency is bad enough. The grifting is right out there in the open, and the brayers have no problem with any of it.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 4, 17 6:50 PM
Perhaps this is the disconnect? GOP = D-U-M-B


"On Thursday, House Republicans issued a fact sheet about their new tax cut plan that referred to Americans earning $450,000 a year as “low- and middle-income” — even though that income level would put those taxpayers in the top 0.5 percent of all individual Americans."
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 4, 17 9:42 PM
No problem with keeping down costs when running a business JuneZ, whoever is running Mar a Lago certainly knows that and is doing their job.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 5, 17 9:05 AM
Yeah. And the guy who ran Trump Steaks, GoTrump.com, Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, Trump Magazine, Trump University, Trump Ice, The New Jersey Generals, Tour de Trump, Trump by the Ocean, Trump Network, Trump Media, and Trump Mortgage totally knew what he was doing. That's why they're all extant businesses today, LOL!!!!

It's not hard to run a business when your membership dues far and away exceed operational costs. It really helps when you double the membership fees...
Nov 5, 17 9:24 AM appended by Mr. Z
Trump Golf Courses in Scotland Are a $200 Million Money Pit - Fortune: Even among those who play, Trump-branded gear looks to be a tough sell. Fiona Hunter, a long-time Turnberry member, said the pro-shop tried to get rid of the Trump gear by offering two-for-one deals, because visitors weren’t buying. “They started selling more things with just ‘Turnberry,’” she said.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 9:24 AM
The issue is hypocrisy (and grifting), not the bottom line. May I suggest you bone up on some reading comprehension?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 5, 17 8:33 PM
Crooked GOP:

Emails, documents are stark reminder of Ohio's secret gerrymandering process - Out of Line: Impact 2017 and Beyond

Posted November 01, 2017 at 10:12 AM | Updated November 01, 2017 at 08:09 PM


Using an index to rate districts D or R

This document shows how a "Republican partisan index" was created for help in drawing districts that would result in Republicans being strong favorites to win 12 of Ohio's 16 congressional seats in each election, which ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 3, 17 2:49 PM
TY for putting this spotlight on the masters of voting suppression and fraud.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 3, 17 3:12 PM
Every institution that democrats co-opt becomes a cover for serial rapists:
Hollywood, D.C., print media, main stream broadcast news, Hollywood, US Public School System, College Campuses, the NFL etc...
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 4, 17 1:14 PM
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The catholic church...oh, wait
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 4, 17 9:09 PM
The catholic church...oh, wait
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 4, 17 9:09 PM
Obama and the left fell head over heels for the loony Pope. They found religion after 2000 years and all it took was for the loony pope to mention global climate change.
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 5, 17 6:30 AM
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"Loony" Pope: Greed has created unprecedented inequality.

"Sane" President: We need more nukes!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 17 7:21 AM
Contact (1997)

David Drumlin: I know you must think this is all very unfair. Maybe that's an understatement. What you don't know is I agree. I wish the world was a place where fair was the bottom line, where the kind of idealism you showed at the hearing was rewarded, not taken advantage of. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world.

Ellie Arroway: Funny, I've always believed that the world is what we make of it.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 8:47 AM
Donna Brazile who was caught cheating to help Hillary, wrote a book in which she explains that she was horrified by hillarys cheating.

Meanwhile, she has explained that she was haunted by Seth Rich’s murder. (Because she ordered the hit). I wonder if Seth Rich’s family and the left is upset with Brazille for politicizing their son’s death which was due to a completely random burglary?
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 5, 17 6:47 AM
Are you saying you have evidence of who murdered Seth Rich? Maybe you should be talking to DC Police instead of us nobodies.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 17 7:18 AM
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so you believe in coincidence or Occam's razor when its convenient to your belief system Fore1 ? Interesting
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 5, 17 10:01 AM
Let's go with that, 27dan. Which scenario makes the least assumptions?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 17 10:30 AM
GOP voters pulling the lever against their own best interest. For over forty years. We already tried this "tax experiment", and it failed. Miserably.


The GOP Is Proposing a 250 Percent Tax Hike on Millions of Americans

Traditional Republican voters could get hit the hardest.

By David Cay Johnson / DC Report November 2, 2017, 1:28 PM GMT


The nice young couple who just opened their own independent coffee shop around the corner will likely be hit with ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 9:34 AM
Mr. Z whatever , I just read this on a New York Times online comment section of all places.

ANTIFA fails in low turnouts at nationwide ‘refuse fascism’ protests. Go back to your mommys basements !!
Nothing they are fighting against exists.
Their oppression is an invention of their imagination. They Love to Imagine that they are oppressed. Their anger comes from "their struggle" to "resist" their imaginary oppression !
This is all Street theater for neckbeards and ...more
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 5, 17 10:20 AM
And this right wing apophenic rant is relevant how?

Those are the hard cold numbers from roughly 500 pages of "reform". Many factors have a sunset by 2023. Any big business tax cuts will go the way they always have. Into the pockets of executives as "compensation". This "tax reform" is a short term dysfunctional load of crap.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 4:08 PM
Baldwin Melts Down on TWITTER; Deletes Account...Threatens to "F Up" Reporter.

ABFoundation "Im gonna find you George Stark , you toxic little queen, and Im gonna f... you ...up

and worse! nice guy that Alec!
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 5, 17 9:57 AM
Birds of a feather, "king" and a "killer":

Donald Trump documentary exposes billionaire's shocking treatment of Scottish family

It has been five years since Anthony Baxter's first documentary on the subject and the Forbes family, including 92-year-old Mollie, are still without running water since Trump flew into Aberdeenshire and started building golf courses

Rachael Revesz, New York
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 10:19 AM
And this relates to taxation how?

trump belittles, yells, pouts, stamps his feet and worse when he doesn't get his way, but that's OK.
Baldwin (who does a whole lot for the East End, btw), has an Irish temper. BFD.

Hey dan: mostly it's teenage girls who hang on celebrity news.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 5, 17 11:02 AM
Really June ? So if Robert Downey another actor who does a lot for the East End tweeted hey Lena Dungham I'm gonna find you and F u up. You and the media would just write it off to a hot headed British outburst ? WTF are you taking about this guy just publicly threated a reporter with physical violence ? Are you for real ?
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 5, 17 12:27 PM
Yes really, Tcm. What is wrong with you and 27 that you concern yourselves like little girls with such small, piddling potatoes? Put your big boy pants on and do some legitimate worrying about the trump temperament that's consequential FOR THE WHOLE WORLD.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 5, 17 3:10 PM
Junebug, ever the hypocrite.
By dnice (1990), Hampton Bays on Nov 5, 17 4:53 PM
Guns don't kill people...investigating the Clinton's kills people..

Almost makes you wonder if someone needed to generate a new news cycle and fast.
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 5, 17 6:09 PM
I must admit the whole world even CNN was talking about Donna Brazil coming out against a very crooked Hillary before the shooting,

praying for those people no matter what was behind this. We can get back to dealing with the Clinton's tomorrow
Nov 5, 17 6:20 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Former DNC chair Donna Brazile joins former Clinton 1992 campaign staffer George Stephanopoulos to discuss her new book on the 2016 campaign. She said that those who are telling her to keep quiet about what happened with regard to Russian hackers, and the problems she discovered while running the Democratic Party can "go to hell." "George, for those who are telling me to shut up, they told Hillary that a couple months ago. You know what I tell them? Go to hell. I’m going to tell my story," Brazile told ABC’s 'This Week' on Sunday. Excerpts from Brazile's book have gained much attention this week with regard to the details of an agreement between the Clinton campaign's fundraising committee and the DNC. "I'm not on the payroll, George. I care about my country. I care about our democracy," Brazile said. "And I say go to hell, because why am I supposed to be the only person that is unable to tell my story?"
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 5, 17 6:20 PM
Today's mass killing brought to you by Texas.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 6:53 PM
Everything You Need to Know About the Massive Paradise Papers Leak
13.4 million documents were leaked that expose offshore banking activities of more than 120 politicians worldwide.

By Vice News Nov 5, 2017


The leak is the latest to draw back the curtain on the shadowy world of offshore banking where shell companies allow the wealthy, kleptocrats, or anyone else with something to hide to conduct business largely in secret in known tax havens. This trove, which comes largely ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 5, 17 7:09 PM
Today’s tragedy in Sutherland Springs is downright gut wrenching. The Left’s politicization of this tragedy is downright disgusting.
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 5, 17 10:26 PM
Consider me on the "mass murder is jormal, get over it" team.
Nov 6, 17 6:06 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Normal
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 6:06 AM
What's disgusting is the right's willingness to do nothing. Here's the right's answer, if you are a mental defective, please use your second amendment right to buy as much guns and ammo as you like.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 6, 17 5:49 AM
Also disgusting? 1,520 Americans dead of gunshot since Sandy Hook, and the Know-Nothing, Illegitimate Grifter spouting off about "mental health" as the reason for this latest massacre. He who supported healthcare "reform" that didn't cover mental health, who signed a bill allowing the mentally ill to buy guns, and who advocates violence against opponents and enemies. Any leader who believes that shiiite would at the very least propose some kind of mental health initiative, would sponsor laws ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 6, 17 12:57 PM
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Come on Sessions... Mueller is a dirty cop and he needs to be removed, prosecuted, disbarred and punished. He’s up to his neck in the Uranium One scandal. Americans have had enough with this corruption, specifically from the Clintons, Obamas and Podestas. It's like Chritmas every day twice a day with all this breaking news... Its all falling apart for them now, Seems Obama blew all the money in the DNC vault and did not pay it back as well.
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 6, 17 8:51 AM
Yeah...the DOJ doesn't disbar attorneys, the state Bar Associations do that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 8:55 AM
Dirty cops tend to perjure themselves. Like Sessions.

He met with Kislyak, but denied meeting with Russians in Congressional testimony. This has some merit, as Kislyak was exposed as head of Russian SVR/GRU intelligence operations in the United States.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 2:00 PM
Democrats are upset because a Democrat told the truth and poor little Georgie Stephanopoulos...

He hosted a Sunday forum where the former head of the DNC told all Clinton sycophants exactly where they could go.

Must see TV.
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 6, 17 9:02 AM
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Was this on the Sunday shows? I was more impressed by the shellacking Paul Ryan got on Fox News Sunday
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 9:08 AM
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AND, here's the direct quote:

Brazile rejected criticisms of the primary as rigged, saying “no evidence” showed so.

You don't lie as well as the POTUS.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 5:12 PM
“The agreement — signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and [Clinton campaign manager] Robby Mook with a copy to [Clinton campaign counsel] Marc Elias— specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised,” Brazile wrote in the story under the headline “Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC.”
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 9:07 AM
The animal who conducted the shooting in Texas should be sent to Guantanamo. Or better yet, death penalty!!
By johnj (695), Westhampton on Nov 6, 17 9:06 AM
Since he's a citizen by all accounts, he should be prosecuted in a court of law by a jury of his peers.

After all, if we start detaining citizens without due process, what's to stop it from happening to you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 9:10 AM
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Demo-catastrophe: It was worse than we thought
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 6, 17 9:10 AM
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What a snakes nest the Hillary camp was! Many of us Bernie democrats suspected this all along. Everything pointed to it, but we were villified for not voting for Hillary. They will justify her every action, facts be darned. Some people around here owe me an apologee this morning !
Nov 6, 17 11:09 AM appended by local 84
Thank god I can finally come out of the basement !
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 6, 17 11:09 AM
How irrelevant. Bernie had a fun ride but he probably would have lost in the General.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 11:25 AM
BOYCOTT the NFL on VETERANS DAY weekend! The NFL continues to suffer massive numbers of empty seats on gameday. Empty seats matter, Stand up for the national anthem with hand over heart That's America not this crap that is going on by those trying to destroy US and us.

Not showing the anthem is the same as agreeing to the protests.
BOYCOTT NFL!
Nov 6, 17 10:40 AM appended by 27dan
BOYCOTT THE ADVERTISERS TOO !
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 6, 17 10:40 AM
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For a long time now, the news media, entertainment, and now sports has been telling white males like me that I'm an evil, worthless, misogynistic, homophobic bigot and that I should "F--- off."

Nobody likes being insulted, and nobody wants to be where they're not wanted, so I took 'em up on it, and "F---ed off."

They're gonna have a hard time convincing me to come back.
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 6, 17 10:55 AM
Bengals averaging 54k in attendance per game in 31st.

Dallas averaging 92k in attendance per game in 1st.

As usual, you're peddling a load of bunk.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 5:10 PM
The deafening silence this morning regarding the MASSACRE of 26 Christian Americans speaks volumes about the mindset and hipocrisy of the Conservative Right.

But, her emails right?

By johnj (695), Westhampton on Nov 6, 17 11:43 AM
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Mass murder is normal and there's nothing we can do about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 11:47 AM
Listen! I'm a liberal talk to me. Talk about deafening silence, ha! You folks wonder why you lost? Let me break it down for you. All the things that are coming to light now have been known about the DNC/Clinton's long before the first vote was cast. Stop trying to change the subject and clean your house! You just might learn something instead of trying to manipulate what people think. That is why you have been losing, and why you got HUMILIATED 2016. Clean your house! and maybe the voters will trust ...more
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 6, 17 11:56 AM
I don't listen to liberals, I listen to people worth listening to.

Start your own party, bernout.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 12:05 PM
There you go again with that nonsense Fore.
By dnice (1990), Hampton Bays on Nov 6, 17 6:22 PM

Lol! Who's changing the subject? You people are unbelievable. Deflect! Deflect! Spin! Spin! YCMTSU

By johnj (695), Westhampton on Nov 7, 17 9:45 AM
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Mass murder is normal. We must collectively accept the reality that nobody will do anything to limit the amount of damage a single person can do, and live our lives accordingly.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 9:37 AM
local 84: I am also a dem who was disgusted by my party, and voted for Trump. FIx the broken government first, then we can talk about other issues. An ER patient with no heartbeat and a broken leg is treated for his heart first, then his leg. It's called prioritizing. Drain the Swamp & MAGA!!!
By Taz (316), East Quogue on Nov 6, 17 12:39 PM



Another magnificent YUGE thread from Seth Abramson: Trump Tower @ Heart of Russia Scandal

Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson

View image on Twitter
View image on Twitter
Seth Abramson ✔@SethAbramson
(THREAD) Trump Tower Moscow sits at the heart the Trump-Russia scandal. This thread reveals the REAL story behind it. Please share widely.
1:57 PM - Sep 1, 2017
748 748 Replies 24,961 24,961 Retweets 24,716 24,716 likes
Twitter ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 6, 17 3:00 PM
Before the caterwauling starts, know that only a portion of the Twitter thread above was highlighted for posting, but for some reason, and against my intention, the entire thread got posted. (The rest of the thread is extremely informative, btw.)
The following is a (poor) translation of an article from a Greek newspaper which, unlike the American press, is fully covering Papadopoulos' activities. Unfortunately, the C&P doesn't include the accompanying photo, but imagine my shock ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 6, 17 3:21 PM
see : Demo-catastrophe: It was worse than we thought Hon
By Erin 27 E (902), hampton bays on Nov 6, 17 3:57 PM
I thought you held the belief Clinton was evil incarnate? It was worse than that? Bless your heart.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 4:10 PM
Hope you'll enjoy your nothingburgers. Mueller looks to be preparing a solid BBQ.

Slowly but surely the net will tighten around the Oval Office. Brookings Institution analysis shows "substantial evidence" Trump obstructed justice. The Paradise Papers have already shown multiple persons in the Trump circle to be of less than stellar ethics. More indictments of Trump associates to come?

Quite likely...
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 5:16 PM
really JB write a book or get a real job.
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 6, 17 6:07 PM
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On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 6:40 PM

Caterwauler.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 6, 17 8:44 PM
Is any of this a surprise? Let's see? Hillary Clinton took control of the DNC assets and resources four months after announcing her run and rigged the primaries, had the MSM in the bag for her, Twitter and Facebook both covered for her by blocking conservative trending topics and hiding critical trending hashtags, paid Bob Creamer and Scott Foval to hire Leftists to attack Trump rallies and physically assault his supporters, and paid for a spurious dossier that tied Trump with Russian collusion
Nov 6, 17 8:32 PM appended by joe hampton
and she STILL LOST...
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 6, 17 8:32 PM
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"McFly!!!"

AND, here's the direct quote:

Brazile rejected criticisms of the primary as rigged, saying “no evidence” showed so.

You don't lie as well as the POTUS.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 9:04 PM
"Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer."

~ Donald Trump Jr. regarding Russian "dirt" on Hillary Clinton
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 9:05 PM
The Left’s in-fighting over the Hillary Clinton scandal continues: the defeated presidential candidate’s campaign has responded to the recent, severely damaging claims of corruption by Donna Brazile.

The former interim Democratic National Committee Chair alleged Thursday via an excerpt from her new book posted by Politico that Clinton had rigged the 2016 primaries.

When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a ...more
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 6, 17 9:21 PM
You keep clinging to that nothingburger.


"I found no evidence, none whatsoever."

~ Donna Brazile in an ABC interview regarding "rigging" of 2016 Democratic Primary
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 10:11 PM
nothing burger my a*z both Brazil and Warren said it was"rigged over the weekend ! Guess Someone got to them wouldn't you say Mr Z
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 17 1:01 AM
The only people who want to talk about this are Republicans. It fits in with their general obsession with Hillary though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 4:20 AM
Poor, poor GOP slobs...

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level ...more
Nov 7, 17 6:16 AM appended by Mr. Z
"The DNC shouldn't play favorites. But that's a whole lot different from illegally conspiring with Russia. The FBI knows the difference." ~ Elizabeth Warren
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 6:16 AM
Comment posted by Donald Trump Jr. on Twitter on July 11, 2017

To everyone, in order to be totally transparent, I am releasing the entire email chain of my emails with Rob Goldstone about the meeting on June 9, 2016. The first email on June 3, 2016 was from Rob, who was relating a request from Emin, a person I knew from the 2013 Ms. Universe Pageant near Moscow. Emin and his father have a very highly respected company in Moscow. The information they suggested they had about Hillary Clinton ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:15 AM
All I know is that this is going to be one fascinating read
By widow gavits (138), sag harbor on Nov 6, 17 8:43 PM
So was Donald Jr.'s email correspondence with Rob Goldstone.

Rather telling...
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 9:07 PM
As the info is "highly sensitive" do you think they chose to take possession of it? Or, would the "safer" route be to disseminate information to WikiLeaks, the plausibly deny the meeting as a "bait and switch"? Magnitsky Act is a pretty weak excuse...

"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump..."

~ Rob Goldstone via email to Donald Trump Jr. prior to June meeting
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 6, 17 9:16 PM
Donald Trump Jr. portrayed the meeting this way: “It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow-up.”
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:08 AM
All I know is that this is going to be one fascinating read
By widow gavits (138), sag harbor on Nov 6, 17 8:43 PM
You go ahead and buy that book. After all, Brazile's just trying to sell it to you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 17 9:48 PM
What I think is fascinating is that we didn't know about Popadopoulos' guilty plea for weeks.

Perhaps Flynn has already plead guilty?

That's how prosecution works. You find evidence, build a water tight case, and play it close to the vest.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 6:57 AM
TRUMP AT KIM DOORSTEP

And the troops LOVE HIM !
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 7, 17 12:45 AM
"The DNC shouldn't play favorites. But that's a whole lot different from illegally conspiring with Russia. The FBI knows the difference."

~ Elizabeth Warren

"The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously very high level and sensitive ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 6:47 AM
Ms. Veselnitskaya, for her part, said in an statement to The Times sent this past weekend that “nothing at all about the presidential campaign” had been discussed at the Trump Tower meeting, adding that she had “never acted on behalf of the Russian government” and that she had “never discussed any of these matters with any representative of the Russian government.”
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:05 AM
Sure. Because people don't lie, lol.

Email chains proving intent don't.

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:
Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?
Best,
Don

By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 10:30 AM
Since your perception of reality has collided with the world of hypothetical and theoretical, here's one...

Maybe Donald Jr. is working for the Feds. Hmmm...
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 10:57 AM
Thanks!!

That's the funniest joke I've heard all week!!!
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 12:30 PM
Doing research on a political opponent is legal JuneZ. I thought the Russian system of pseudo communism is your dream for the USA.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 7, 17 6:57 AM
Fair bet Flynn has already plead guilty, and any relief the White House may have by distancing itself from Manafort will most likely be short lived.

Research is one thing. Being approached by agents of a foreign and adversarial government is another. Sitting down for a meeting with said agents is a "YUGE" another. Not approaching the proper authorities about said contact?

"YUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!!!!!!!!!!"
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 7:04 AM
Opposition research is legal, but knowingly accepting material support from a foreign government is not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 7:13 AM
Face it bf.

You guys ****** up. You backed a dirty, doped up horse team that speaks with a forked tongue and has serious psychological projection issues. It can be rough when the false reality of a "believer's syndrome" victim is shattered, but lucky for Republicans there is professional help for that.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 7:22 AM
LMAO... that's priceless perspective given the revelations of the Democratic Party confirmed by Donna Brazile.

Refresh my memory, you're the same guy who said Mitt Romney and/or his son(s) were going to jail, right? Seems to be a bad case of SSDD.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 7:39 AM
So how many Hillary associates have been charged with a crime? And how many Trump associates? Ok.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 7:49 AM
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It is certainly good to be a Democrat.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:06 AM
An early draft of former FBI Director James Comey’s statement closing out the Hillary Clinton email case accused the former secretary of State of having been “grossly negligent” in handling classified information, newly reported memos to Congress show. The tough language was changed to the much softer accusation that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in her handling of classified information when Comey announced in July 2016 there would be no charges against her. ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:29 AM
Sure. Because a spy never lies, lol.

People can lie. Email chains proving intent don't.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 10:23 AM
Wow June. First you prattle on about domestic violence being the precursor to mass shootings yet you minimize Alec Baldwin’s disgusting behavior towards Kim Basinger ....and his attitude in general....and call it an “Irish temper”..Interesting
By Sturgis (252), Southampton on Nov 7, 17 7:18 AM
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So a mass shooter and a guy with a temper are one and the same?
Interesting.
And exactly where or when did I ever mention the name of Kim Basinger? I have no earthly idea of that relationship, and neither do you. Can't believe I'm even addressing this stupidity.
Nov 7, 17 10:39 AM appended by June Bug
And by the way, Sturge, what I do know from published divorce papers is that your idol violently raped his first wife and pulled out her hair because he was dissatisfied with the work of a plastic surgeon she 'd referred him to.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 7, 17 10:39 AM
Well Junie you just proved that you know absolutely nothing about domestic violence. Also not sure who you think my idol is....but I know you’re clearly ok with a POTUS playing hide the Stradivarius Churchill in the Oval Office.....
By Sturgis (252), Southampton on Nov 7, 17 1:24 PM
Hillary's actions were grossly negligent
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 7, 17 9:35 AM

Oh look--- another member of the Small Hands Club?

1. WHAT MONEY?
Report: Wilbur Ross Is Not Really a Billionaire

Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross Jr. has lied about his net worth since 2004, according to a new report from Forbes, in a story called “The Case of Wilbur Ross' Phantom $2 Billion.” According to financial-disclosure forms Ross filed after his nomination to President Trump’s Cabinet, Ross has less than $700 million in assets. Ross, ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 7, 17 10:52 AM
Donna Brazile's fear for her life reignites Seth Rich murder
Rush Limbaugh cites 'eerily curious' revelations of mysterious killing 'haunting' former DNC boss

It was just a botched robbery, they said.

Move along, there’s nothing to see here, they said.

Quit being paranoid and assuming there’s some conspiracy behind the random murder, they said.

So, if it were merely a botched robbery that killed DNC data staffer Seth Rich, why in the world would ...more
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 7, 17 11:38 AM
She crossed the Clinton Machine. I would expect she is right. Her life expectancy has most likely been reduced considerably.
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 7, 17 11:44 AM
Say it with me now: con-ject-ture
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 12:02 PM
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Or perhaps like a clinical apopheniac, you imagine things that don't exist.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 12:34 PM
Fore1 there is still no evidence of a Trump/Russia 'collusion', but Hillary is a different matter! You know what is not con-ject-ture, It is against the law for the Clinton campaign and the DNC to funnel millions of dollars to a former MI 6 operative to pass on to Russian sources in order to obtain the infamous and discredited Trump “dossier.” The Federal Election Campaign Act (52 USC 30101) prohibits foreign nationals and governments from giving or receiving money in U.S. campaigns. ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 7, 17 12:37 PM
Good luck with your delusions and debunked conspiracy theories.

Seems to be a common right wing mental disorder.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 1:13 PM
I think a fun wager would be to see who has more associates convicted a year from now, sound good?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 5:56 PM
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1-0

Comey: Classified Clinton emails forwarded to Anthony Weiner
Zachary Cohen-Profile-Image
By Zachary Cohen, CNN Updated 1:53 PM ET, Wed May 3, 2017

Weepy Anthony Weiner Sentenced to 21 Months in Prison for Sexting Teen Girl. Katie Zavadski 9;25:.17 10:42 AM ET

By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 9:30 PM
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Lol, nice try. Wiener was never employed by the campaign.

Unlike Georgie. So it's actually 1-0 the other way.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 10:25 PM
Gee, I'm shocked...didn't see a clarification of the rules coming when the other team began to score [insert rolling of the eyes]. You said associates. What, you don't like playing the game?

And technically, "Georgie" hasn't been convicted (yet), or will that rule be changing too. Let me know. Still 1-0, Dem associates convicted to Republican.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 7:50 AM
A guilty plea is equivalent to a conviction, is it not? It's an official finding of guilt.

Your Chief of Staff's husband is not an associate, unless he played some role. Like, say, arrange meetings to solicit opposition research from a foreign government.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 8:01 AM
Yean, I'll give you the guilty plea. But, if you're sending an email to someone as Hillary did to Weiner, he's an associate...

BTW, GP pled to making false statements...not to the impropriety of any alleged interaction.



By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Nov 8, 17 8:29 AM
Is that really the rule you want to go with? Anyone you exchange e-mails with is an associate?

As to GP, if his false statements regarding his interactions with the campaign are not relevant how is Wiener's disgusting sex crime the campaign's issue?
Nov 8, 17 8:43 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
If it makes you feel any better, assuming no new information comes out, I'd be fine with Mueller pulling a Comey and giving Trump & Co. mulligans on the meeting and the FBI director's firing. The conduct may have been criminal, but what we know so far speaks primarily to the family's lack of familiarity with prudence and protocol, rather than any ill-conceived intent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 8:43 AM
I was thinking it didn't go to sentencing yet so technically not a conviction but can see the point as well. But, ok.

To Snerdley's point I think, if you know someone well enough to send them classified information as Hillary did to Weiner, they might just be an associate.
Nov 8, 17 9:53 AM appended by Po Boy
I personally could care less what you're fine with and had every expectation the mere suggestion of "the game" was indication you thought the deck was stacked in Democrat's favor. One might even say, rigged. Go figure.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 9:53 AM
Was it actually her who sent it to him? Wasn't it her Chief of Staff who sent something to her husband for printing?

It's fine that you don't care. I was just trying to make you feel better.
Nov 8, 17 9:58 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
In regard to the "game" I'd be more than willing to eat crow if Hillary's campaign associates were charged and/or convicted of crimes. You (Po), on the other hand, have already said you wouldn't accept anything other than a conviction. So who actually thinks the deck is stacked and is already posturing for defeat?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 9:58 AM
LOL, for printing. Good one. Does it really matter whether Hillary sent classified emails directly to Anthony Weiner or her CoS then sent them along (to her husband), "for printing?" UM, they're classified and were handled with gross negligence.

I think that's really the point.
Nov 8, 17 11:04 AM appended by Po Boy
Awww, you're worried about my feelings, how sweet. Not sure I ever said I wouldn't accept anything other than a conviction. I may have said I don't have faith in the system that would/should bring Hillary and other associates a conviction. Comey has clearly shown himself to be partisan and elements of Mueller's team to include Mueller himself have been shown to have conflicts of interest and I would be suspect of Trump convictions for the same reason. You react like it's a bad thing to be suspect of human predisposition to prejudice.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 11:04 AM
So you're worried about the "human predisposition to prejudice" without actually seeing prejudice employed in the decisions made by Mueller's team, or have you already seen it?

If so, where?

If not, what would it look like in your view?
Nov 8, 17 11:26 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It still sounds like you're hedging your bets and assuming the investigation is/will become tainted because of the result you're predicting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 11:26 AM
Again, with the circular questions when you don't like the answer or my opinion...so I will repeat my previous and throw you a bone or two, and please stop with the "it sounds like you" BS.

Human nature, Washington establishment, the swamp, proven history, recent examples is enough for critics to question the integrity of an investigations especially when there exists the appearance of conflicts of interest. Add to that Comey's partisanship in the Hillary investigation with draft memos ...more
Nov 8, 17 2:43 PM appended by Po Boy
Federal law defines a conflict of interest as: “a personal relationship with any person substantially involved in the conduct that is the subject of the investigation or prosecution.”
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 2:43 PM
Apologies on the "circular questions", though I fail to understand what you mean by that, I'm just a fan of the Socratic method.

Having said that, I better-understand your stance on conflict of interest law, but what is the "personal relationship" here besides being co-workers? Is being co-workers sufficient for a conflict of interest?

By that definition of "personal relationship," is there any qualified attorney or investigator that hasn't had similar contact with these two FBI ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 3:13 PM
11/7/2017
Hey Po Boy: Twice (so far) your little pal Donny Jr. has Tweeted urging everyone to vote TOMORROW.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 7, 17 12:16 PM

Paradise Papers

Offshore cash helped fund Steve Bannon's attacks on Hillary Clinton
Robert Mercer, whose spending assisted Donald Trump’s election win, used tax haven of Bermuda to avoid US taxes

Jon Swaine
Tuesday 7 November 2017 5.00 EST Last modified on Tuesday 7 November 2017 11.13 EST
Eighteen months before guiding Donald Trump to election victory, Steve Bannon delivered the opening shot in the ruthless Republican campaign to paint their Democratic ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 7, 17 12:28 PM
" THEY WANT TO SILENCE ME FROM TELLING THE TRUTH !"

" THEY WANT TO SILENCE ME FROM TELLING MY STORY !"

"Well they can go to hell " ! I am not going to go down with Wasserman and her corrupt DNC and I'm done playing Patsy the slave for HRC ! Donna Brazile to George Stephanopoulos

NICE!
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 7, 17 12:52 PM
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NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The DNC shouldn't play favorites. But that's a whole lot different from illegally conspiring with Russia. The FBI knows the difference."

~ Elizabeth Warren
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 1:16 PM
“It is a federal crime to exchange an ‘official act’ for something of value. It’s called ‘theft of honest services.’ To put it more simply, offering to exchange an official act for something of value is like soliciting a bribe. There can be no serious question that supporting repeal of the Magnitsky Act would be an official act for purposes of this statute.”

~ Renato Mariotti, former Federal Prosecutor
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 1:34 PM
Mariotti said "prosecutors would need to show evidence of a connection between Trump Jr.’s offer and his request for damaging information on Hillary Clinton — but he said that’s not always easy.

“The question is what the Russian lawyer understood Trump Jr. to mean during the conversation,” Mariotti said. “Did she think he wanted dirt in exchange?”

Veselnitskaya would not be the best witness, because she may also have broken the law and ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 2:03 PM
Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm..."

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning
Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.
The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.
This is obviously ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 5:13 PM
Sure. Because a spy never lies, lol.

People can lie. Email chains proving intent don't.
By Mr. Z (9422), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 10:23 AM

By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:49 PM
Sure. Because a spy never lies, lol.

People can lie. Email chains proving intent don't.
By Mr. Z (9422), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 10:23 AM

By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 8:49 PM
Good luck with "Hmmmmmmmmm"....
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 9:06 PM
HMMM kinda like BJ Clinton getting 500K to give a speech and their slush fund "foundation" getting MILLIONS in exchange of favors from the State Department while the PIAPS was SOS?
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 7, 17 1:47 PM
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So exactly what favors did they receive in quid pro quo?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 7:43 PM
"Clinton Global Initiative to shut down, lays off 22 as donations dry up"


CGI was criticized prior to the Nov. 8, 2016, election when stolen emails belonging to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta detailed some of the group’s inner workings. WikiLeaks documents revealed Teneo co-founder Douglas Band discussing ways his consulting firm secured lucrative deals for Mr. Clinton.

By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times - Monday, January 16, 2017
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 9:51 PM
I'm not sure what this is supposed to indicate, but your fans ate it up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 7, 17 10:43 PM
The same people on this page that guaranteed Trump would never win the Presidency to begin with are now asking you to believe them as they guarantee they know how to END Trump's presidency.

They are too blind with seething hatred to see the irony - beginning with Zee Garbage Man.
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 7, 17 2:18 PM
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The President then returned to the topic of Mike Flynn, saying, "He is a good guy and has been through a lot." He repeated that Flynn hadn't done anything wrong on his calls with the Russians, but had misled the Vice President. He then said, "I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go." I replied only that "he is a good guy." (In fact, I had a positive experience dealing with Mike Flynn when he was a colleague as Director ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 7, 17 8:49 PM
"President Trump was right," Republican National Committee Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel said in a statement. "Director Comey's statement reconfirmed what the president has been saying all along — he was never under investigation."
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 7, 17 9:18 PM
Aside from Donna doing the backwards and reverse shuffle on rigging, the funniest line in the story is how she wanted to make sure Hillary's deal hadn't "compromised the party's integrity" . Sorry, Donna, that's the Democrat party you're talking about. Can't compromise its integrity if it doesn't have any.
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 7, 17 10:33 PM
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Yeah, the Democrat Two-Step on her use and now denial of the terms rigging" and "rigged" has been amusing. She probably began to feel some DNC heat after early interviews, even though she uses it on multiple occasions in her book to describe the Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee. Democrats can't even not lie when trying to tell the truth apparently.
By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Nov 8, 17 8:00 AM
Russians Charged With Treason Worked in Office Linked to Election Hacking
By SCOTT SHANE, DAVID E. SANGER and ANDREW E. KRAMERJAN. 27, 2017

Russian Officials Were in Contact With Trump Allies, Diplomat Says
By IVAN NECHEPURENKONOV. 10, 2016

Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MARK MAZZETTI and MATT APUZZOFEB. 14, 2017

Former CIA Director Brennan Testifies He Knew of Russian Election Attack
Former CIA ...more
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 9:43 PM
SiriusXM Patriot will present “Winning” on Wednesday, November 8, 2017, at 2 p.m. Eastern. “Winning” is a celebration of the one-year anniversary of President Donald Trump’s historic 2016 election win over Democrat Hillary Clinton to become the 45th President of the United States.
By Undocumented Democrat (1543), southampton on Nov 8, 17 8:59 AM
Best night's sleep in a year! Thoughts and prayers to all the deflated blowfish on this thread.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 8, 17 12:48 PM
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If a democrat beats a rino is a blue state by winning the districts where filthy rich lobbyists live, what exactly gave you the great night sleep?

Before yesterday you haven't paid attention to a state governor's race in your life.

The only silver lining here is that leftists are so happy today that we all get a break from violence, hatred and protests.
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 8, 17 1:12 PM
Next up: Doug Jones takes on crazy Roy Moore for Jeff Sessions' old seat!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 1:43 PM
Did anything happen that wasn't expected, I mean other than learning JuneZ had a thought and was capable of prayer?
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 2:03 PM
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A 9-point win where Hillary only beat Trump by 5?

At least try to distance yourself from the loser like Trump did. Something like "he's the swamp!" would be enough to CYA.
Nov 8, 17 2:20 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I also enjoyed the irony of the self-described "chief homophobe" of Virginia getting beaten by a trans person, though I admit ignorance on the issues in that race or the candidates' positions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 2:20 PM
This was about local issues, at best all it proved is what we already knew ( Liberals in the darkest of blue corners of the bluest states are butt hurt and mad ! It does not change the national picture a bit. So congratulations on winning what you were guaranteed to win ! lol Glad your sleeping better Junezy...
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 8, 17 2:32 PM
If that's what we learned, I'm thrilled! In presidential contests that rarely break 60% turnout, getting your voters energized and to the polls is everything!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 2:37 PM
Silver Lining? Uh, that would be the TOTAL REPUDIATION OF tRUMPISM.
And ever hear of the wisdom The Four Agreements that include never to assume? I've lived in several states, sooooo....

By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 8, 17 2:56 PM
You're out of your mind lady, this had zero to do with Trump. This was a local election driven mostly in Southampton by a golf course in East quogue. You people are hilarious. Anyway I voted for Jay and I'm a Republican because I didn't want more traffic on the back roads. Local issue, local decision. You and your repudiation of trumpism BS can look forward to seven more years of insomnia
By widow gavits (138), sag harbor on Nov 8, 17 3:13 PM
This chain of comments is about the Virginia election. Please catch up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 3:16 PM
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Virginia is DC and DC is the swamp... catch up.
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 8, 17 4:48 PM
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Yes, Joe. Wherever Democrats win is the swamp and wherever Republicans win is real America, we heard you the first time.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 4:57 PM
Glad your finally getting it Fore1gnBornHBgrown, by the way be honest and go on the record about how many aliases do you have here. i count 3 bless your heart , be careful before you lie! right TIW you people will stop at nothing to make it seem like you are filling the stadium with like minded individuals. funny!
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 8, 17 6:30 PM
We understand stupidity and ignorance rather well.

Like blowing a 1.7 trillion dollar hole in the deficit because economics are for dum-dums who stayed in school.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 8:57 PM
Actually, I'm everyone except you, Dan.
Nov 9, 17 9:35 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Did you figure out which Seth Rich theory is supported by Occam's razor yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 9:35 PM
a blue state bordering the swamp elected a liberal for governor, freestuffers wanting more free stuff, ZERO surprise here. The liberals have been beaten down ti irrelevancy and this foregone vote somehow gave them a reason to keep living, wonderful.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 8, 17 3:31 PM
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Doug Jones v. crazy Roy Moore for Jeff Sessions' old seat is in December!

If Republicans lose an Alabama Senate seat will that be enough to take stock?

If the Democrats had lost this one it would have been armageddon, but a nine-point win is still better than expected!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 8, 17 3:35 PM
Broaden those horizons, blowfish. The kicking of trump's broadbeam derriere didn't stop in VA. Went coast to coast. And only a warm-up for '18.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 8, 17 9:05 PM
"Give a man enough rope..."

Or a political party.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 9:09 PM
"Clinton Global Initiative to shut down, as donations dry up" Democrats win locally I'd say this has been a great week !
By local 84 (302), riverhead on Nov 8, 17 4:52 PM
Last week, Papa John’s founder John Schnatter said his company was pulling some advertising from NFL games because player protests were making it harder to sell pizza.Today NBCUniversal exec says more NFL advertisers have threatened to pull out over protests
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 8, 17 4:56 PM
Well gee, other pizza chains don't have revenue issues. Perhaps John Schnatter is the problem?

Or perhaps, more people just chose to buy local instead of supporting a corporate behemoth.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 9:03 PM
"Well gee, other pizza chains don't have revenue issues..."

Bingo!

People being creatures of habit, which is why franchises as a whole have been so successful over the years, they need a reason to be driven from their habit. This reason is player protests and the NFL mishandling of it.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 8, 17 9:31 PM
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Bull&&&&.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 9:44 PM
I get the concept of a boycott affecting business, but Papa John's was awful to start with.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 6:20 AM
With 350 million pizza's sole annually, $3.5 billion in sales, 4,971 locations and in 37 countries, as hard as it is to digest (lol), some might disagree with you.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 8:32 AM
I'd be wary of confusing volume with quality, but I suppose some people must genuinely enjoy it. When it comes to pizza, it really is a privilege to be a New Yorker.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 8:48 AM

Wide swaths of the country are pizza deserts, so the numbers you cite are only indicative of the man with one eye being king in the kingdom of the blind. Never had Papa John's, which I'm sure is awful, but might even be better than Chicago's deep dish which is the equivalent of the man with one eye.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 9, 17 9:49 AM
Check your pizza privilege June! lol ;-)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 9:54 AM
I figured a true American success story where a guy sells his car to buy some pizza equipment to sell pizza out of the broom closet of his dad's bar wouldn't fly well with some.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 1:23 PM
I'm more of a "small business" kind of guy ;-)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 8:46 PM
What do you think any one of the 4,700 franchises are?
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 10, 17 11:17 AM
Why the lifeblood of corporate vampires, of course. I'll support John's over Papa John's any day.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 2:45 PM
27 as well they should.. disgusting players, disgusting league owners. It's our national anthem and all americans should respond accordingly
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 8, 17 5:00 PM
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If you believe the First Amendment is a matter of decorum, you may as well expatriate yesterday.
By Mr. Z (9527), North Sea on Nov 8, 17 9:52 PM
27 as well they should.. disgusting players, disgusting league owners. It's our national anthem and all americans should respond accordingly
By xtiego (604), bridgehampton on Nov 8, 17 5:00 PM
Time to tackle the real problems, like NFL Players kneeling during the anthem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 6:03 AM
You don't think kneeling during the national anthem is symptomatic of bigger societal issues beyond the intended message of the protests? There was a time not long ago when patriotism was the common thread to bond the nation. Now, it's a tool to divide, compliments of liberalism and the Democratic Party (but I repeat myself).
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 8:44 AM
In light of the continued disparagement of players who are choosing to kneel BEFORE the anthem, I posit to you that it was never really about patriotism in the first place: it's about a group of vocal consumers who don't care for the political stances of their entertainers.

Any successful protest forces people to take note, and though I wouldn't personally kneel for the anthem (because I do think it disparages things that I worked very hard to attain, and that others who were born here ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 8:53 AM
People have not forgotten Colin Kaepernick's early statements, whether intended a certain way or not. Perception rules the day. Expression of the First Amendment has consequences and backing away from that once done, is a tough sell. It's that simple

"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Colin Kaepernick
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 10:38 AM
I understand that view, though I don't share it and think individuals' actions should be evaluated independently.

The fact is that players who are not disrespecting the country in any conceivable measure are still being booed for silent protests.

I think that means some fans just realized for the first time that their political stances are diametrically opposed to those of their favorite players, and are merely seeking a means of telling them to "shut up" so they can enjoy their ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 11:01 AM
People could care less about the political stance of their favorite player and "having your worldview shattered" is a ridiculous and inflammatory statement giving way too much credit to NFL players - making them almost god-like in the eyes of the typical fan. They're not and most don't view them as such. Fans just don't want to see it on any given Sunday and think the workplace is an inappropriate venue to express political and social opinion. Whether it be kneeling for the anthem or commentary ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 1:16 PM
Are you sure it's a general disagreement with any political/social opinions being displayed on Sundays, not just this opinion in particular?

What if a player was in a pro-life commercial played during half time?

Do you think the same people would be in an uproar that their entertainment was put on pause for politics?

For the record, this actually happened, but it wasn't middle America that had a problem with it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 2:13 PM
You're doing it again.... extraneous points mixed with extraneous analogies molded into extraneous questions....

We're talking specially about current events.... and a commercial is very different than on field actions or commentary by broadcast announcers as part of the telecast.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 2:25 PM
That's fair, a commercial IS different, but I think the mirror-image treatment of commercials (which still take up time during the broadcast) by different groups illustrate an important point:

The pro-immigrant commercials during the recent Superbowl were soundly criticized by one group and not the other, just like the Tim Tebow commercial was lambasted by one group and not the other.

I think the fact that you know exactly which groups those are without me naming them demonstrates ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 2:34 PM
As a po white boy, you have never been subjugated to the laws and policies that were intended to make sure the black person couldn't rise up. Check out Plessey vs Ferguson 1896. Our gutless Supreme Court of that time made sure to put it's thumb down on black people. I've never been a black man. I couldn't tell you if police act different around blacks compared to whites. I do know plenty of prejudiced white people who have no problem spewing the "N" word. I would always stand for the Anthem, but ...more
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 9:14 AM
Perhaps we shouldn't make assumptions on Po's race through a computer screen.

As a person of color, I will chime in that my personal experience supports the belief that police tend to treat minorities with greater caution.

If I look at police the wrong way, I'm stopped and have to show ID.

If I pull over on a residential street, I'm questioned because I might be "casing" a house for burglary.

If I'm driving at dusk without my lights on, I'm stopped for suspected ...more
Nov 9, 17 9:29 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And I also "know plenty of...white people who have no problem spewing the "N" word" and can have a heated discussion on the difference between "N" words and other black people. If you read that sentence and said to yourself "I can too!" you might be part of the problem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 9:29 AM
well that brought much into focus
Nov 9, 17 10:03 AM appended by They call me
So Mr Z, / June , and Fore1 seem to have the same underling reason for there partisan bitterness whats you reason Mets
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 9, 17 10:03 AM
Thomas Sowell would disagree. But I’m sure with his first name being Thomas ... you would have a comment....
We can thank the Democratic Party for the current situation
Nov 9, 17 10:34 AM appended by Sturgis
This comment was for Mets .... why don’t you fix the glitch Southampton Press ....so annoying
By Sturgis (252), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 10:34 AM
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Oh big deal Fore1gn , I am a 6 1 white male and feel and act exactly the way you do at a traffic stop. Its called acting civil and respecting that the officer is concerned for his safety! Stop the race card drama
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 10:52 AM
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Nice white guilt Mf - I for one do not share in your guilt. If you think I have not been discriminated against as a white male growing up and seeking employment in the age of quotas and reverse discrimination, you are seriously mistaken. I have been subjugated to the laws and policies that were intended FOR a black person to rise up.

Yes, I can so with 100% certainty police act differently around blacks than whites to a certain degree and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that as long ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 10:53 AM
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Bum: I get that, but if you and I both didn't act that certain way, I would fully expect my treatment to be worse than yours, and if an officer were to be "scared" into shooting one of us, I'd wager it'd be me.

Po: I'm not clear on what you mean. You said "I can [say] with 100% certainty police act differently around black [people] than white [people]" but then follow it with "Do police treat a vehicle stop of a white person differently than a black person[?] Hell no."

Those sound ...more
Nov 9, 17 11:05 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
To go on a related tangent that has less to do with race: how do you all feel about how police are held accountable for bad acts? Do you think the status quo is effective, or would you rather see more/less accountability?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 11:05 AM
Po: I'm not clear on what you mean. You said "I can [say] with 100% certainty police act differently around black [people] than white [people]" but then follow it with "Do police treat a vehicle stop of a white person differently than a black person[?] Hell no."

Continue reading...different actions is situational, and to add, which brings with it a heightened sense of vigilance. Think of generic police activity on Dune Road vs. somewhere in Riverhead. The vehicle stop example was a separate ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 11:20 AM
In my view, those separate thoughts were in conflict, but now your "situational awareness" point has shifted away from race to geography. Is race a valid factor in the evaluation of any given situation, or only under certain circumstances?

As to accountability, I'm always reminded of the case where a NYC officer conducted a vertical patrol in a stairwell (which was a banned procedure), discharged his weapon accidentally (did not have any target in view), killed a resident with his ricochet ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 11:35 AM
Is race a valid factor in the evaluation of any given situation, or only under certain circumstances?

Race is never a (valid?) factor (and of course, like any profession, there is a small bad element). White people kill police just as easily as any other and the situation and circumstances are addressed in their totality.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 12:16 PM
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I like your answer, though from a law enforcement point of view race is sometimes a permissible factor when it is central to a criminal profile.

Think of an investigation targeting Los Zetas cartel members or the MS13 gang that uses ethnicity to identify potential suspects, though even then it is only allowed as one factor of many.

At least that was the law when I was still on the job.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 12:26 PM
Poor po boy, didn't get the job because he's white. Ha-ha, in what universe. Your late for your pointy hat meeting.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 1:56 PM
I don't know what you're talking about, but a discussion about the eventual end of affirmative action might be overdue politically.

Even the SCOTUS that found it was permissible discrimination said it was never meant to be permanent.
Nov 9, 17 2:05 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I just saw what you're talking about; I hadn't seen Po's comment on job discrimination. It should be noted that this is IN FACT discrimination. It's simply permissible discrimination as opposed to impermissible discrimination.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 2:05 PM
That's right Mf, didn't get the job because I was white, and I have the test scores to prove it and know the score of a minority that did and it was from our own New York State no less.

You see though, no worries, it all worked out and probably for the better. Life has a way of working those issues out when you continue to push forward.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 2:12 PM
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Come on Fore1 enough of that... You are an upstanding American citizen or your not and if not you are subject to scrutiny! It has nothing to do with skin color except to many dark skinned people fall into the stereotype of a thug by choice! It does not mean they are criminal's but seem to enjoy the role, wouldn't you say? You get out what you put into a situation! both your son or mine...
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 9, 17 2:29 PM
I disagree that "upstanding American citizen" is a binary...what makes one upstanding? Could you and I disagree on what makes someone upstanding? Are either of us necessarily wrong?

I agree with you that skin color shouldn't be relevant when discussing whether someone is an "upstanding American citizen," but consider that there are many people who would disagree with us.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 2:37 PM
Mets fan, they were having a civil discussion and then you go and claim that Po Boy is a member of the KKK. Same old divisive nonsense huh?
By dnice (1990), Hampton Bays on Nov 9, 17 5:52 PM
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whiskey tango foxtrot planet are you from MetsF?
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 9, 17 8:35 PM
By the way, I have no guilt, I just know plenty of prejudiced people, by the way, they are Trumpettes. Bigoted and biased, and proud of it.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 2:01 PM
You're in good company Mf, it's kind of like a Presidential candidate who painted with a broad stroke all Trump supporters as Deplorables. Us Deplorables expect no less and that very sentiment is by definitionf... bigoted.

When Democrats are accusing you of something, it is because they themselves are guilty of it.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 9, 17 2:16 PM
Did you get that from Alex Jones or Hannity? Poor white boy, totally mistreated, boo-hoo, boo-hoo. What a snowflake, just like your the buck never stops here, orange cheetoh.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 8:14 PM
Like I said, bigoted and proud of it.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 8:24 PM
mets fan are you male or female?
By Erin 27 E (902), hampton bays on Nov 9, 17 9:34 PM
Male
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 7:27 AM
oh, ok its just that "orange cheetoh" thing you always use? i have only heard this from ashley judd at the bitter women of the world unite thingy. the own with the p* hats.
By Erin 27 E (902), hampton bays on Nov 10, 17 7:59 AM
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Don't blame the federal government if your SALT taxes are too high, blame you state and local governments. Why should all federal taxpayers subsidize your SALT taxes when it is your state who chooses to play loose with your tax money. The good thing about no SALT deduction is it should put pressure on SAL governments to finally cut back on the cadillac of benefits in states like New York and California if they themselves must pay for them. Have a problem with taxes too high, vote Mr. Cuomo, Mr. ...more
By Walt (264), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 5:09 PM
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And yet more of New York's federal tax dollars are spent elsewhere than in New York...hmmmm
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 7:38 AM
With New York a relatively affluent per capita state, this combined with the tax structure makes that to be expected. What if, NY didn't take in so much in taxes? They would then have to budget accordingly and would likely receive much more than they pay out in Federal Taxes. Mixing apples and oranges a bit, but, $20,000+ in property taxes per year for a modest house is criminal.

*Federal spending and the cost of federal revenues are
not apportioned to the states by any single formula.
Rather, ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 10, 17 11:12 AM
>$20,000+ in property taxes per year for a modest house is criminal.

A fan of the free market until it doesn't suit you, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 12:43 PM
People getting massacred left and right. Nobody from the right has anything to say about it. Ho-hum, just another mass shooting, price you pay for second amendment, ho-hum. I'm haranguing Republican congressman with e-mails. You know the ones that are bought and paid for by the NRA.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 8:19 PM
In the 1950's we had terrible numbers of people being killed on our highways. so we instituted regulations and laws to cut down. Included were seat-belt laws, speed limits, safer cars, etc. People getting massacred and nothing can be changed. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 9, 17 8:23 PM
mental health issues are the problem MetsF, time to institutionalize the nut jobs, not let them roam the streets.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 9, 17 8:42 PM
Bullpuckey. There are mentally ill Canadians, Australians, and Japanese, but no mass shootings in those countries. The mentally ill aren't restricted to the male gender, yet there are no mass shootings committed by females. Anywhere. Try again, bf.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 9, 17 8:56 PM
You're saying no one gets murdered in other countries JuneZ as a result of mental illness?
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 10, 17 10:56 AM
What a stupid reply. June's saying that in some countries people who are mentally ill and want to engage in mass murder are less able because of obstacles raised by policy choices.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 12:42 PM
Stupid is as stupid does. I say JuneZ's (and your?) conclusion is flawed and drawn from a nicely wrapped talking point that compares apples and oranges, first off, by focusing on "mass murder" when statistics bear that murder as a whole has actually dropped over time and has horrible as it is, is actually statistically insignificant from a calculating the odds perspective - one in a million to be almost statistically exact.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 9:08 AM
The odds of getting lung cancer are also pretty low, but that doesn't mean you'll catch me smoking.

I think the flawed conclusion is yours above, allow me to paraphrase: "other countries also have mentally ill people who commit murder which is proof that you can't stop a mentally ill person from committing mass murder."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:49 AM
Listening to Donna Brazille backtrack on what she wrote in the book astounds me! She made it sound exactly like she found her proof of Hillary rigging the election. Now, she's saying that's not what she meant. Come on now! This woman is the biggest con I have ever heard, right up there with Hillary. I guess it's a Democrat thing. Never admit to anything you said even if it's in writing. We are suppose to read between the lines and channel her. OMG! We Republicans better stand firm and campaign hard ...more
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 9, 17 9:32 PM
It is obvious she is very upset in the Tucker interview and the Morning Joe interview... IMO she seems scared for her life I think she has been warned something very bad is going to happen if she goes off script. It is very creepy how much she has changed her story in three days time.
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 9, 17 9:39 PM
Thoughts & prayers!
Nov 9, 17 9:39 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
This was supposed to be a response to Dan but it looks really bad directly following Joe's comment
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 9, 17 9:39 PM
Pray for victory in the eternal fight against the pinkos.
By pw herman (725), southampton on Nov 10, 17 10:03 AM
Why is dan still talking about Hillary? I can't imagine what it would be like to allow one person to occupy that much of you head-space 24-7-365. Sad!
By johnj (695), Westhampton on Nov 10, 17 10:47 AM
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Because that corrupt POS almost won !

You would love it if everyone just forgot how you backed a POS to further you agenda ! Ask yourself how could you support such trash ???

All you have on trump is his comment on grabbing! Big deal, he never really did it . It was locker room talk and he regrets ever saying it. He has expressed how much he regrets it and has said he was just trying to be one of the guys! What he said sounded so over the top because in reality its so far from ...more
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 17 11:44 AM
Nice try. He did every chance he could. He would be a liar if this wasn't the truth. Your not calling the orange pos a liar are you?
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 11:48 AM
Already covered here, She lost because she is:

1. A liar
2. Abuses power
3. Unethical
4. Broke the law
5. Lousy candidate
6. Unlikeable
7. Hypocritical
8. Hippo like
9. Has no record of achievement
10. Nasty
11. Corrupt
12. A leftist with no principles other than what is good for her
13 requires regular medical stimulants to stand up straight and not choke
14 traffics in children's organs from conflict zones
15 murder
16 treason
17 ...more
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 10, 17 11:54 AM
mets fan, haven't you ever said or acted a certain way to fit in and regretted it later ? i have . he is human and it really was not a big deal. its not like he did anything like harvey weinstein, bill clinton or anthony winner ! give it a rest already. at least he was man enough to admit it was a foolish thing to do and apologize for it. that was not easy and I applaud him for it!

We love you president trump!
By Erin 27 E (902), hampton bays on Nov 10, 17 12:01 PM
So saith "Mr. Morality" and his cafeteria religiosity. Ignores the Pig-in-Chief's immorality at every turn---the pig who raped his first wife, cheated on all of them, who lusts after his own daughter, and refers to his sexual exploits as his "personal Vietnam". We know how blind you are to his epic corruption, so can we assume you're also just fine with having a pedophile in the US Senate?
Knock it off already with the object of your obsession and your "what aboutism", and try to ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 17 12:20 PM
Lets see, if a candidate is accused of pedophilia, you would still vote for the candidate. Or do you draw the line at what sexual assault is okay for you. Obviously p.... grabbing passed.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 7:47 PM
For winning the VA governors race, democrats earned the same thing they got for winning the popular vote.

Nothing
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 10, 17 6:54 AM
...and the VA governorship
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 6:59 AM
My thoughts and prayers for you and your family.
By even flow (523), East Hampton on Nov 10, 17 7:36 AM
Thoughts & prayers for your weekend, Even!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 7:39 AM
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"...and the VA governorship"

It would stand to reason you can't get something you already had. If you have a dollar and I ask for it, and you don't give it to me, you still have a dollar.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 10, 17 10:52 AM
Oh did we already have the VA governorship for the next four years? I guess I missed that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 12:37 PM
Some might say, yes.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 8:52 AM
And on another subject:
Today is Veterans Day.
To all who have served, I thank you.
By bird (635), Sag Harbor on Nov 10, 17 9:30 AM
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Show you appreciation to the Veterans by boycotting the NFL this weekend !
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 10, 17 11:37 AM
I'm gonna stop by the V.F.W. hall and watch a couple of games with the boys and drink some cold ones. You should come down.
By johnj (695), Westhampton on Nov 10, 17 1:58 PM
I hate to be that guy, but Veterans Day is tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 2:47 PM
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By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 17 4:16 PM
FB - You are correct. My calendar marks the observed day as Friday the 10th. The actual day was the 11th.
Nov 11, 17 7:49 PM appended by bird
Thank you for the correction.
By bird (635), Sag Harbor on Nov 11, 17 7:49 PM
Amazingly quiet, all the big mouths on here, people getting massacred left and right. No comments. What else could be more important to try and change than innocent people getting slaughtered. The orange cheetoh is just a puppet of the NRA, bought and paid for. Just the way Republican politicians like it. The party of do nothing and no guts. Cowards all of you.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 12:44 PM
Not that long ago when they touted themselves as the Family Values party. Still rail against abortion, homosexuality, gender reassignment, but now they've no problem at all with mass murder, rape, sexual assault, lying, cheating, stealing, treason, racism, or corruption. And the jewel du jour: pedophilia! How's all that for making America great, boys?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 17 1:00 PM
Cons didn't vote for Trump.
By SlimeAlive (655), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 2:02 PM
Uhh...conservatives embraced Trump's deficit of conservative bonafides for a Supreme Court pick.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 10, 17 2:34 PM
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT are you squealing about JuneZ?
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 10, 17 7:35 PM
Have we heard from Mexico yet about paying for the wall? Can you give me details of the really great healthcare plan the orange cheetoh promised of lower deductibles and better coverage. Here is jackass describing Isis, we're decimating them, but they keep popping up elsewhere. Thirty days he promised remember, the great generalissimo banana republic leader. Hasn't passed any major legislation. To finish it off, the tangerine toddler is going to stick it to the middle class with tax reform, while ...more
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 12:55 PM
Donnie Johnny's new motto on his red hat, the buck never stops here.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 10, 17 12:57 PM
President Trump is going to win re-election with 400 electoral votes and he’ll be considered in the pantheon of Reagan and Lincoln and others as one of the great presidents.

This has been quite a week falsely accusing a candidate is the only remaining strategy for the left because pulling the race card no longer works.The people of Alabama know ALL ABOUT the Washingtom Post and the NY Times Propaganda Machines.

This fake news attck on Moore will not have any effect!
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 10, 17 2:23 PM
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By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 10, 17 4:24 PM
Who is the new king of the removed post?
By dnice (1990), Hampton Bays on Nov 10, 17 7:50 PM
How awesome would it be to see tumbleweeds in the bleachers at every game these America hating thugs play?

LET THEM KNEEL IN EMPTY STADIUMS !
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 11, 17 12:04 AM
Mover over Harding, Buchannon, and Hoover., there is a new leader of the worst President in American history. Can't wait for the blue wave in 2018. The most divisive leader in our history. For those of you, who said get him a shot, should have watched the reality show drama queen on T.V. You would have seen him with his classless, lowlife clown behavior. Put that with that he failed in every business enterprise he tried. We don't even know if his hotel business is solvent, we've never seen his tax ...more
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 8:16 AM
Please do us all a favor and move to a better pinko country and apply for citizenship there. You seem so miserable living in the USA.
By pw herman (725), southampton on Nov 11, 17 8:40 AM
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We'd rather make this one better, tyvm
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 17 8:45 AM
A president who violates the oath he took to protect and defend the United States of America by continuing to betray us by taking the word of an adversary over literally all of our intelligence agencies, and the clueless cheer. At what point will they realize they are no longer free?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 11:12 AM
Wow Junie
You just perfectly described 8 years with Obama !!!
By Sturgis (252), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 12:58 PM
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Idiocy.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 5:22 PM
The ultimate pinko is Trump. He wanted to sell us out to our arch enemy just so he can have naming rights on a Moscow hotel. Believe me, Putin told him he didn't meddle. Which goes against every security agency in this country. You need to follow your commie loving leader out of this country. Bye-bye little, small, tiny, wee-wee, un-American bigot.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 12, 17 2:54 PM
Way more than a hotel. He's been promised a stake in the $70 BB Rosneft oil deal that can't happen until sanctions are lifted--the sanctions he publicly said yesterday he considers too "strong" on Russia, and that it's time to lift them and to "heal". Sure, as in billions for his ailing wallet.
And notice the devious backtracking today re: the intel? Someone has warned him not to piss off the CIA, perhaps?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 12, 17 3:43 PM
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Obama really sucked. Trump, not so much.
By pw herman (725), southampton on Nov 13, 17 9:09 AM
We need a new photo op from the Carrier plant in Indianapolis. Hundreds of jobs being cut. The Carrier plant is using the money that they got from the orange cheetoh, and using it to automate the plant. Carrier can't shed these jobs that were protected from being relocated. However, these jobs can be lost if it's due to automation. Yea, that child-liar-in-chief, he's some deal maker.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 8:26 AM
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Right Mets, he's the biggest mark on the used car lot. Just ask Vlad.
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 11:00 AM
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By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 11, 17 11:11 AM
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By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 3:41 PM
more butt hurt from one of our resident snow flakes, I pity you.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Nov 11, 17 8:42 AM
Maybe you'll care when it's your loved ones getting the shaft, or maybe you won't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 11, 17 8:46 AM
Don't pity me, you'll need the pity after you see your healthcare and tax bill when Drumpf is done with it.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 3:44 PM
Funny how the liberals can easily say “MOVE ON” when it involves their misdeeds. But can’t move on when it comes to Pres. Trump winning the general election.
By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 11, 17 1:19 PM
License plate on Southampton Main Street today: OUTIN20. Uh huh!
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 3:00 PM
Democrat sex offenders go to jail. Republicans elect their sex offenders.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 11, 17 3:45 PM
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OCTOBER 13, 2016
Fact Checked
We need to talk about what Natasha Stoynoff says Trump did the day after assaulting her.
by Jon Comulada

In the early 2000s, People magazine writer Natasha Stoynoff was assigned to cover all things Donald Trump.

It was the height of Trump's "Apprentice" popularity, and Stoynoff was along for the ride. She conducted multiple interviews with Trump, attended his wedding to Melania Knauss, and tracked the success of the show.

On ...more
Nov 12, 17 5:44 PM appended by June Bug
Additional accusers: Ninni Laaksonsen Jessica Drake Karena Virginia Summer Versos Kathy Heller Kristen Anderson Jessica Leeds Rachel Crooks Mindy mcGillivray Jennifer Murphy Cassandra Searles Temple Targart McDowell Jill Harth First wife-rape 13 year-old Jane Doe-rape
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 5:44 PM


‏Verified account
@funder
7 hours ago

.@realDonaldTrump-

You believe Putin over our intel agencies?

That means you are calling our military intel agencies liars including:

-Air Force Intel
-Army Intel
-Coast Guard Intel
-Marine Corps Intel
-Navy Intel

On #VeteransDay, you traitor?

Go to hell & resign,

America
668 replies 9,743 retweets 17,892 likes
Reply 668 Retweet 9.7K Like 18K ...more
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 11, 17 5:51 PM
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The conversation about gun control ended when America found it bearable to have murdered school children. Still don't think nothing should change right wing-nuts?
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 12, 17 6:43 PM
Mass murder is normal, get over it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 12, 17 7:25 PM
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There is nothing to discuss you are not going to turn over the second amendment. Nobody thinks there is anything normal about a person who wants to kill innocents, but such a person will find a way (Truck, Plane, Gun, Knife) and yes it is tragic. The fact is there are evil people in your neighborhood, government and the world. The second amendment makes sure those people will only get so far.
By joe hampton (2931), The Hamptons on Nov 13, 17 8:27 AM
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Exactly, there's nothing we can do about it. It's simply a part of life in 2017. Live your lives accordingly.
Nov 13, 17 8:31 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"It" referring to mass murder, obviously.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 8:31 AM
Mf, if you're going to steal someone's quote, at least give them the credit for it. And Fore, you are correct. It's no different than any other precautionary action someone would take to any number of threats.

I would suggest, there is no such thing as gun control - it is a figment of the Left's political imagination and simply a talking point to get donations by politicizing tragedy. Whether it be from firearms already available, the 2nd Amendment guaranteeing the Right, criminals possessing ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 8:44 AM
To say 3d printing allows you to print "any type of gun" is to deeply misunderstand the technology.

3d printing is accomplished by heating and reshaping material into functional shape.

A 3d printerd gun requires a metal firing pin (see: not printed) to function and a 3d printed gun will quickly degrade until it becomes nonfunctional when fired more than once.
Nov 13, 17 9:04 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Aside from that, I agree with your statement. Gramps will inevitably leave an arsenal to his irresponsible grandchild, or a mom will try to buy her mentally ill son's love with an AR-15, and another few dozen lives will go up in smoke. It's all normal, and there's nothing we can do about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 9:04 AM
So we're going to debate 3D printing now and its translation to ability to be machined? Oy... Technology and human ingenuity has a way of working those details out. Ban or confiscate guns and see how long that takes.
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 9:12 AM
I was pointing out that 3d printing and gunsmithing are two separate things, Po Boy...surely even you can understand that. When we're printing out steel at home that can withstand the temperatures necessary for semi-automatic fire, then we'll talk.

On your second point: I agree with you. There's no hunger to enact any policy that may reduce gun crime, and in truth there are so many guns in the wild that it would probably have a negligible effect (think: where does gramps' arsenal go when ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 9:44 AM
If we had stricter gun control, maybe there wouldn't have been twenty six dead to begin with.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 10:50 AM
You don't know that. But it makes for a great talking point.

Fore, surely even you can understand that a highly motivated person will stop at nothing to carry out unspeakable acts and "gun control" is a pipe dream for a host of reasons most of which will only keep guns out of the hands of the law abiding, and apparently, those incapable of 3D printing and gunsmithing. Point being...after all the law abiding people have been disarmed, it WON'T matter whether the gun is semi-automatic or ...more
By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 11:11 AM
That's what I'm saying. There's no policy that could possibly stem the number of deaths attributable to mass murderers so we should just go about our lives with the knowledge that we, or our families, may be a victim of a mass shooting at any given moment, and rest secure in the knowledge that when it inevitably happens there's nothing we can do about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:21 AM
No such thing as gun control. Po boy quite comfortable with mass murder. Try Japanese gun laws as a start.
By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 9:19 AM
Throw inflammatory bombs all you wish Mf...it doesn't change reality that the United States isn't Japan nor Australia. And when you peel away the argument and compare it to like-analogies within the United States, there is very little difference in the statistics.

By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 11:07 AM
Yeah, MF. If it wasn't 26 with a gun it'd be 27 with a car, or 28 with a pressure cooker, or 29 with fertilizer, or 30 with a gas leak, maybe not today, or tomorrow, or next year, or even next decade, but EVENTUALLY we'd be talking about a record-breaking mass murder again, proving that any steps, no matter how many people they save, are pointless.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:17 AM
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They're not pointless, the issue will continue to be used as a wedge issue to drive fund raising and make Democrats and politicians feel good about themselves while pointing fingers.

By Po Boy (529), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 11:27 AM
Any time spent talking about policy responses to mass murder with firearms is wasted for two reasons:

1. there is no hunger to policy to stop it, and even if that policy were to be enacted...

2. there is zero positive effect that policy could potentially have.

Mass murder is normal, let's all move on before we run out of thoughts and/or prayers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:38 AM
Can that 3D printer print a Home Depot truck ?
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 3:23 PM
You know what you need to rent a Home Depot Truck? A license, and registration to a list.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 3:25 PM
? Why Fore ? Do you think a Radical Jihadi hell bent on running people over would not just get in any truck and drive ?
Did Mohammad Atta rent the plane from Avis did he have a license to fly a 767 into the towers that day that they killed 3027 people ?

Have you forgotten..... ?
By 27dan (2148), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 13, 17 6:30 PM
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Thank you Dan * For remembering
By widow gavits (138), sag harbor on Nov 13, 17 6:41 PM
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And you know what you need to fly now? Screening and your registration to a list.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 6:41 PM
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By Mets fan (897), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 9:20 AM
MENTAL ILLNESS & THE BREAKDOWN OF SOCIETY IS TO BLAME - NOT GUNS!!! Keep ignoring the obvious and you will get nowhere.
By Taz (316), East Quogue on Nov 13, 17 11:30 AM
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
By Mr. Snerdley (358), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 11:38 AM
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My view is that there's no policy we could possibly ponder that would have any positive effect, but the floor is yours:

Is there anything we can do to impact the role of "MENTAL ILLNESS & THE BREAKDOWN OF SOCIETY" in mass murder?
Nov 13, 17 11:41 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Don't all speak up at once...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:41 AM
"Breakdown of society"? Care to elaborate on your assertion so as to enlighten us with specifics and direct attribution?
And how do you explain mental illness as the cause of mass murder when none happen in many countries of the world, or are committed by females, neither of which instance is there an absence of mental illness?
By June Bug (1472), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 14, 17 7:00 PM
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By They call me (2172), southampton on Nov 13, 17 3:12 PM
"In related news, the 46% of the country that voted for Trump refuses to admit their mistake, will insist that nuclear war was Obama's fault"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (675), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 3:19 PM
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That would be correct, Now would you like me to list the reasons why It would be Obamas fault ?
By Ditch Bum (331), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 3:25 PM
There you have it, folks. Anything good that happens is Trump, and anything bad that happens is Obama. We can all go home now.
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