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Nov 13, 2017 10:27 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

UPDATE: Zeldin Votes No On GOP Tax Bill In House Thursday

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin
Nov 16, 2017 5:15 PM

UPDATE: Thursday, 4:18 p.m.

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin voted against the House of Representatives tax bill, joining 12 Republicans and all Democrats in opposing the legislation which passed on Thursday afternoon 227-205. "While I like many aspects of this tax reform plan, too many of my constituents would not see tax relief under this plan as it is currently drafted," Mr. Zeldin said in a press release.

In the Senate, where at least one Republican, Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, has confirmed publicly that he will not support the bill in its current form, the legislation's chance of passing is much less certain. Assuming that all Senate Democrats will vote against the bill, Republicans can only afford to lose two of their members' votes to eke out a win with Vice President Mike Pence's tie-breaking vote. The full Senate is expected to vote on the bill soon after Thanksgiving.

ORIGINAL STORY:

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin is standing firm this week that he will vote against the Republicans’ proposed tax bill in the U.S. House of Representatives, which, in its most recent draft, still eliminates most state and local tax deductions—a refund critical in New York, one of the most highly taxed states in America.

The House version of the legislation unveiled on Thursday, November 9, does feature the small consolation prize of property tax deductions up to $10,000, while the U.S. Senate version eliminates the deductions completely.

“I am still a no,” Mr. Zeldin said in an interview on Friday regarding the House version of the bill.

He pointed out that his objection to eliminating the deductions has been constant since the plan’s first draft, and that the capped deduction in the newest version is not enough to sway his vote.

Despite his opposition, he expects the bill to pass in the House anyway.

“I don’t know what the whip count is, but if I had to guess I’d think the bill has enough support to pass the House currently,” he said. “There’s a lot of unity behind this bill,” he added, referring to his fellow Republicans as the current draft has garnered no Democrat support thus far, passing out of the Ways and Means Committee on a 24-16 party-line vote.

The full House is expected to vote on the bill later this week, with party leaders still courting Republican holdouts like Mr. Zeldin, who met with Vice President Mike Pence at the end of October to discuss his concerns.

“The discussions have been constant for months, straight through to this morning,” he said on Friday, adding that his conversation with Mr. Pence was productive.

Though it seems that the support of Mr. Zeldin’s Republican peers might be enough to push the bill through on the House side, he is much less confident about the Senate’s ability to pass its current version. “I have no idea,” he said. “I’ve decided in 2017 not to predict outcomes in that chamber.”

If the House and Senate pass different versions of the bill, members from both chambers will be appointed to a conference committee and charged with reaching a compromise that’s palatable to both sides. The reworked bill would then go back to both chambers for another vote.

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Props to Mr. Zeldin for his opposition. Obviously “There’s a lot of unity behind this bill” so it'll pass anyway, but I'm proud my congressman didn't vote to cut the tax on dynastic wealth over $5.5 Million.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 11:44 AM
He 's awful but not suicidal. Even King is against it.
By harbor (350), East Hampton on Nov 13, 17 11:57 AM
Thanks for doing the right thing for your constituents Lee!
By bigfresh (3564), north sea on Nov 13, 17 1:08 PM
I feel like this foreshadows just how bad the SALT hit is gonna be...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 1:20 PM
All that King and Zeldin are doing is saving their own butts, and enabling the Democrats at the same time. It is the voters who chose to make NY a blue state, and they want the voters in other states to subsidize blue state policies. If King and Zeldin cared about their constitutes, they would seek to lower taxes in NY, not hide behind their fellow Republicans to escape blame. What a couple of cowards!
By gusef (32), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 3:59 PM
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By gusef (32), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 3:59 PM
More federal tax dollars come from New York than are spent in the state. It's New York doing the subsidizing, and some of the reddest states getting subsidized.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 4:04 PM
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The issue before us is the deducibility of State and local taxes.
By gusef (32), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 4:26 PM
Fore1gnBornHBgrownMovedtoFloridaForCheaperTaxes
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 13, 17 4:52 PM
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Gusef: You said "they want the voters in other states to subsidize blue state policies."

That statement is wrong. New York is not subsidized by other states, it's actually the other way around.

Pw: I've gone on record that the only thing I'd trade with Florida is weather.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 5:21 PM
I was not referring to Federal balance of payments, I was simply stating that if State taxes were not deductable, it would put more pressure on Albany. King and Zeldin are simply enabling State lawmakers. It's fine if the voters in NY wish their state to be blue, but it has proven, and will continue to be proven an expensive option. Live with it. The Federal balance of payments is a separate issue, and should be viewed as such.
By gusef (32), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 6:41 PM
So explain to me how voters in other states are subsidizing blue state policies.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 13, 17 9:23 PM
If you write off your property’s taxes, using your own democratic logic, you are “costing” the government ie taxpayers money. Due to rampant progressive liberal corruption our NY and CA pay highest state and local taxes in the nation. By writing those expenses off we do not contributes our fair share. The answer is to stop progressive liberal corruption but it can’t be done overnight. It’s unfair to punish taxpayers for the sins of democratic politicians.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 14, 17 7:36 AM
I was asking gusef, but thanks for your input Slimy. I'm hesitant to believe you though, because you continue to lie about Trump's campaign not receiving direct donations from the NRA (he did).

In any event, you're literally arguing for more of New York's federal tax dollars to go to other states, when we already get less than a dollar back for every dollar that goes out. That's the opposite of "other states subsidizing blue state policies"; that's asking for even more charity for Mississippi, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 7:55 AM
No. I'm arguing for NY Progressive Democrats to be more ethical stewards of our money and for the federal government to not punish NY taxpayers without giving the NY Progressive Democrats time to stop the bleeding.

Your goal shouldn't be to get more of other people's money. It should be to keep more of our own vis a vis lowering state and local taxes through the arresting of graft, corruption, theft and laziness.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 14, 17 8:31 AM
Thank you for not insisting that Trump didn't receive NRA contributions this time.

The rest of your post is an admission that you'd rather pay more through the repeal of SALT today in the hope that increased taxes would prompt state legislators to lower state taxes, without addressing why we're cutting the SALT deduction: to balance out corporate tax rate cuts and repeal the estate tax.

Unless you own more than $5.5 Million in wealth you're cutting off your own nose to spite your ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 8:42 AM
Here's a noble thought. If NY state didn't have such a massive state government packed with waste and inefficiency, taxes wouldn't be so high.
By BillWillConn3 (158), Southampton on Nov 13, 17 8:02 PM
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M2 Nov. 12th 2007: 7.4 trillion dollars

M2 Nov. 13th 2017: 13.7 trillion dollars
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 13, 17 8:33 PM
Please Mr. Z, help me understand the relevance, cuz I just don't see it.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 13, 17 10:41 PM
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Reference: "When Money Dies" by Adam Fergusson

Ten years, 6.3 trillion dollars printed out of the clear blue sky. There is no simpler cause and effect of supply and demand than the supply of fiat currency.

By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 14, 17 4:04 AM
He doesn’t know either.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 14, 17 6:19 AM
Bizarre.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 9:57 AM
Thank you, you said what I was trying to say with fewer words.
By gusef (32), Southampton on Nov 14, 17 10:13 AM
What's the matter?

I have to hold your little conservative hands and lead you down the path to knowledge and epiphany?

Y'all really are the worst bull**** artists ever to put fingers to a keyboard.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 14, 17 7:39 PM
M2 correlation to NYS waste, inefficiency and taxes will remain a mystery.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 7:56 PM
Well, I'll tell you the same thing you tell others. Get off your *** and do the work to find it. Because the correlation does exist.

There's actually and old joke about Germany's Weimar Republic. Their currency was so debauched and prices so ridiculous that a thief stole a suitcase full of German Marks. He dumped the cash, and kept the suitcase...
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 14, 17 8:52 PM
And the mystery thickens with additional coded quips. All of a sudden, you're a vault Mr. Z., one just has to wonder why that is when an honest request for clarity was all that was asked.

What does the price of eggs in China have to do with the suitcase?

M2 Nov. 12th 2007: 7.4 trillion dollars
M2 Nov. 13th 2017: 13.7 trillion dollars

He replied.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 1:42 PM
Come on, this is easy. If you have to ask me why M2 is important, then maybe it just proves you don't know jack **** and are full of it.

Come on, impress us for a change. Or, do you prefer being under a bridge?
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 15, 17 8:25 PM
What part of this...

"Please Mr. Z, help me understand the relevance, cuz I just don't see it."

Did you not understand?
Nov 15, 17 9:29 PM appended by Po Boy
The question isn't why the M2 is important, the question is how is it relevant to: "Here's a noble thought. If NY state didn't have such a massive state government packed with waste and inefficiency, taxes wouldn't be so high."
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 9:29 PM
No, I understand.

You're full of...
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 15, 17 9:46 PM
So, there is no correlation.

Truly bizarre.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 16, 17 12:16 PM
It's called "catch and release"

They caucus behind closed doors to make sure they have the required votes to pass...then they "release" votes from districts which would be negatively impacted, so the local legislator can strut around telling his constituents how he bucked the wishes of his party in favor of the interests of his district.

Then the local voters write wonderful things about him in the local news feed as they prepare themselves to watch the value of their homes drop ...more
By aging hipster (155), Southampton on Nov 14, 17 6:15 AM
Frankly, whether his vote is fueled by genuine concern of constituents or fear of blowback, it's still a no. The more scared Zeldin is of us, the better.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 6:20 AM
Sophism. He is very specific in his reasoning. Property taxes is his singular concern. Makes a lot of sense. Nice to have responsive representation in DC after the bishop family politicized everything through the career criminal that lost the election last year.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 14, 17 6:55 AM
Controlled opposition is a real thing, even. He gets credit for being part of the "No" votes, but he's not exactly fighting to stop the bill altogether on our behalf.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 7:33 AM
Stop the bill why? He's not supposed to be for middle class tax cuts or tax reform?

What would you suggest the Good Congressman do to stop the bill altogether?
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 10:04 AM
To call this bill "middle class tax cuts" is a blatant lie, particularly for New Yorkers, unless you subscribe to the idea that anyone outside of the top tax bracket is "middle class."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 10:06 AM
Ok, no answer noted on what YOU suggest what Mr. Zeldin should do to stop the bill.

For the vast majority of middle class Americans, it is a tax cut. You're repeating blatant Leftist lies, proven incorrect with Four Pinocchio's by the Washington Post.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 10:35 AM
Friday senior Republicans admitted that their assertion no middle class families would see higher tax burdens was a LIE.

For starters, Zeldin could speak out on the bill publicly rather than advocate behind closed doors. As a member of the committee that oversees the baking (see: mortgage) and housing industries, he'd be speaking from a position of authority on the impacts of reducing or eliminating the SALT and mortgage-interest deductions.

Perhaps he could even propose some amendments ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 10:49 AM
Very slick Fore... who said "->no <- middle class families would see higher tax burden?" Republicans have said most middle class would receive a tax break while democrats have said most would receive a tax increase. Democrats were proven to have lied.

I've personally seen Mr. Zeldin on multiple occasions speak out publicly on the bill and ways it falls short. The amendments you seek Mr. Zeldin to pursue have already been taken as part of the subcommitte and committee action. What you are ...more
Nov 14, 17 2:58 PM appended by Po Boy
Mr. Zeldin is fighting the good fight to the best of his ability within protocol and process.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 2:58 PM
Actually, the Senate Majority Leader, among others, originally said NO middle class families would see an increased tax burden, then had to walk that back.

There are degrees of opposition, and for me Zeldin's is lackluster.

I'll give him credit for his "Nay" but not for failing to secure concessions on the items that will impact his constituents the most.

You can, of course, differ from that opinion, and it's no sweat off either of our backs.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 3:05 PM
I'm certain you do realize Mcconnell walked that back, and you call that a "blatant lie"? Well, you do take your marching orders well it would seem. From The Hill -

"I misspoke on that. You can't guarantee that absolutely no one sees a tax increase," McConnell told The New York Times on Friday."

McConnell added that "what we are doing is targeting levels of income and looking at the average in those levels and the average will be tax relief for the average taxpayer in each of ...more
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 6:50 PM
Did you also see the internal memo that labeled people in all but the top tax bracket "middle income"? Do you agree with that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 7:49 PM
Didn't see it, couldn't find it, and not really sure it matters. Middle class is different depending on where you live in the country given income and cost of living. The Washington Post used $86,000 as the benchmark in their analysis to debunk the Democratic claims.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 14, 17 8:00 PM
Median family income is closer to $55k, but dips as low as $40k in poor (Red) states and goes as high as almost $80k in others.

New York State is $63k.
Nov 14, 17 9:19 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
One Newsweek article is called "Republican House Members Think a $450K Salary is Middle Class," you should be able to find it with little effort.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 14, 17 9:19 PM
I would suggest that in certain parts of the country, the 35 percent tax bracket IS damn near middle class. A bit nit picky of critics if you ask me singling out a talking point bullet of an internal closed-door document.

I'm in no way supporting the GOP plan because I too think it falls short, I'm simply defending from misleading criticism that only will serve to derail any progress.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 8:57 AM
You gotta be kidding me...the 35% tax bracket encompasses single people or married couples earning $413,351 to $466,950 per year.

To call that middle class in any context across the nation is outrageous and such views are insulting to people who are actually struggling. You know: the forgotten men and women who, lo and behold, are being forgotten.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 9:05 AM
And hence the focus of your earlier question, "Do you agree with that?"... the end game was to attack me personally. Gee, didn't see that coming. That's fine. But if you remove the emotion and the label of "middle class", cost of living is significantly different across the country. That's all I'm saying. Deal with it.
Nov 15, 17 9:13 AM appended by Po Boy
"Middle Class" is really the perception of the person who is trying to make ends meet each month. Ask a family living in Manhattan or San Francisco or one with severe financial strains.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 9:13 AM
And I'm suggesting to you that a person or family living in Manhattan or San Francisco can make ends meet at far less than $413,351 a year.

Even the state with the highest median family income (Maryland) tops out at $79k.

In San Francisco average family income is $104,879 and median family income is $77,734.

Even on 5th avenue across from Central Park, median family income doesn't break $245k.

To say the 35% tax bracket is part of the middle class is insulting ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 9:26 AM
If you're insulted by a family who has a higher income but who also lives in a higher cost of living area and still struggles to make ends meet, that sounds like your issue. Don't project it onto me.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 9:40 AM
I don't doubt there are people or families who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars but live month-to-month, but that doesn't make them middle class, that makes them foolhardy spenders.

I'm not insulted by their existence, I'm insulted by the suggestion that they're middle class or the claim that they experience the same struggles that other, actual middle-class people, experience.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 9:57 AM
"I'm not insulted by their existence"... you just called them foolhardy. You're entitled to your opinion even if it doesn't account for respective individual challenges.

I understand exactly where you're coming from and I'm not surprised by the reaction. People like to put labels on things whether it be "middle class" - because after all, who doesn't love the middle class, and class warfare, pitting one class against the other - because, who doesn't hate the rich. It's the age old haves ...more
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 10:27 AM
I don't understand...you'd think the party of personal responsibility would be the first to point the finger at a family who can't make ends meet with an income of nearly half-a-million dollars. Or whose fault would it be, if not their own?

I don't hate the rich, I just doubt the majority of us would see a benefit from tax breaks aimed at people who earn $400K+ and I think a congressman who masquerades such tax breaks as "middle-class tax cuts" is lying to your face.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 10:38 AM
"I don't understand" is the first and only thing we'll agree on.

How about medical bills as a reason that would push a family to not being able to make ends meet?

Keep the focus Fore, what was "masqueraded" was an internal closed door handout for a committee. There was no "lying to your face."
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 10:54 AM
Assuming one has health insurance, there's a limit on out-of-pocket spending. That's called a "deductible" and I think around $15k is the highest I've seen in extreme cases where folks purposely lower their monthly premium as much as possible.

If that family doesn't have health insurance, then what in the world are they doing with their income???

If that family is struggling, then what chance do the rest of us have???
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 11:01 AM
Oh, good, we're on to debate the particulars of health insurance and all the assumptions that could go into individual life circumstances. Sounds like a wonderful and productive discussion.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 11:10 AM
Certainly not with sarcastic replies making up one side of the discussion.

No family currently earning $413,351 in this country, either through wages or passive income, is middle-class.

Should they lose that income via illness or disability, then it's a different story.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 11:17 AM
Yeah, watch your tone mister, I knew exactly where you wanted to take the discussion when you asked, "Do you agree with that (a closed-door handout)?" It was no longer about policy, but personal.

I would agree with you that $413k based on traditional definition is not middle class, in general, but in the upper income tier. But, it is a complicated equation with geography, number of family members, outflow all a factor...and if you want to compare to other earners solely on income...well ...more
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 12:46 PM
Ok, I can conceive of a situation where a family has SO many members their lifestyle with $413k in yearly income would be middle-class. According to the Pew Research center, in New York City that number is 22.

Back to the handout: does that make them "middle-income"? I don't think so.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 2:09 PM
It's amazing what you can fathom when you get out the comfort zone and it took a Pew model to illustrate my point. Now add other factors outside of the control of households and it too is conceivable to play a factor. You made the same mistake as when you called out McConnell for saying ALL in the middle class would get a tax cut, only you said ALL who make 413K are not middle class.
Nov 15, 17 3:42 PM appended by Po Boy
Yes, back to the closed-door handout. It wasn't masqueraded nor was it lying to your face - it was for a closed-door Committee briefing. Have you ever done an FAQ or briefing where the information didn't flow right, or was done by a lower level staff member that didn't quite get it and during the briefing someone asks a question and it's correct after the briefing? Because it is such an overt misclassification, until it is used in some public official manner and combined with examples of how the plan DOES give most of the middle class a tax cut, I'm personally willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Literally, if the 35% was moved one line over, it would have been completely accurate.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 3:42 PM
You can view the memo however you want, but I'm going to stick with "families earning $413k are not middle income and to lower their tax rate is not a middle-class tax cut."

If a couple has four sets of quintuplets they can start a reality TV show. The Thanksgiving episode can be a full 11 on 11 football game, it'll be great.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 4:25 PM
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"You can view the memo however you want"
I don't seek or need your permission

"I'm going to stick with "families earning $413k are not middle income and to lower their tax rate is not a middle-class tax cut."
You can view the memo however you want. And I agree.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 9:16 PM
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Zeldin doesn't make enough to qualify for the deduction.
By johnj (833), Westhampton on Nov 14, 17 10:05 AM
Blue states subsidize red states -- not the other way around. That's a non-debatable fact. At any rate, Zeldon will be gone next November.
By btdt (421), water mill on Nov 14, 17 6:01 PM
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I heard this today, no state should get more in government dollars than they pay in. Wouldn't that keep the Teabag party happy?
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 15, 17 2:05 PM
That's not fair. It should fall on more prosperous states to ensure the people in less fortunate states have access to the same opportunity that is available to them, just like it should fall on wealthy people to ensure their less fortunate counterparts have their basic needs met.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 2:11 PM
Communistes
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 15, 17 2:29 PM
Communism is the public ownership of all property so you probably mean socialism, which is the limited redistribution of wealth according to need, and woven into the fabric of American life in a plethora of ways including social security, unemployment, food stamps, public education, and tax credits.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 15, 17 4:41 PM
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They're too ignorant to know the difference.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 15, 17 8:23 PM
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Another campaign promise bites the dust. L'll Donnie Johnny proclaiming himself the law and order President. Innocent people are getting slaughtered at a record pace all around our country. I guess his policies of unlimited guns and ammo for everybody really doesn't work. Too mentally ill to drive a car, but not to own a gun in Drumpf land. Time for an automatic weapon national registry. More stringent background checks, it's only common sense.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 15, 17 7:45 PM
Home many times do we have to school liberals...

1) automatic weapons are ALREADY highly regulated by the ATF to include registry of who owns them and who will shoot them
2) Crime and murders are down. in other words, there is no correlation that more guns translate to more crime.
3) They aren't (only) the President's policies. They are Obama's, W's, Clinton as well.
4) "More stringent" background checks alludes that more stringent background checks aren't already done. They ...more
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 15, 17 9:14 PM
This conversation is tired.

There's nothing we can possibly do to stop people from being able to kill 50 people in an instant.

If it wasn't a gun it would have been a knife.

Mass murder is normal, let's all move on to real problems like this NFL players kneeling for the anthem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 6:03 AM
You’re tired. Your rap is tired, your fingers MUST be tired, in fact your reference to being foreign born is tired..just like Hampton Bays. Tired.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 6:43 AM
Hey slimy, thinking about it I am pretty tired, time to head back to bed. Enjoy your day! Thanks for not lying about Trump refusing donations from the NRA this time!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 6:49 AM
Fore1gnBornHBgrownneedstomovetoChicago
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 16, 17 8:27 AM
Why's that PW? Gun violence is a little wild in Chicago for me to live there. I think I'll stay in New York where I don't have to deal with a neighboring city that has much more lax gun policies like Gary, Indiana.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 11:35 AM
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anyone who thinks mass murder is normal should have their head examined.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 16, 17 12:15 PM
Would you prefer "commonplace"? "Regular"? "Frequent"?

We've stopped calling for policy responses and are just collectively shrugging it off now, I would think you'd be happy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 2:57 PM
Let's face it. It doesn't matter what I prefer. You'll color it with what you "think" regardless.

Every day I wake up, I'm happy. You are correct.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 17, 17 10:28 AM
You got one thing right: I don't care what you prefer.

Mass murder is normal, deal with it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 17, 17 2:55 PM
Oh, ok... so by default you then must think mass murders are normal.

There is nothing normal about mass murder or mass murders.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 19, 17 12:36 PM
Normal: (adj) usual, typical, or expected.

Seems spot on to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 19, 17 12:56 PM
You left out, "conforming to a standard" and the semi colon which is attached to the phrase following the word standard.

What standard is mass murder conforming to?

By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 20, 17 9:31 AM
Words can mean more that one thing? Wild.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 27, 17 7:57 AM
Time to change policies, we already know mass murder doesn't bother you.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 5:42 AM
L'll Donnie Johnny was his usual gutless self when asked about Roy Moore. But I guess, what does one sex offender say to another. Do as I say, not as I do. Have you ever seen a bigger blowhard coward than the child-liar-in-chief? What a gutless coward, but we already knew that about the orange cheetoh.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 5:47 AM
Did that ridiculously childish outburst of hatred make you feel even a little better about your future?

Just last week you were taking over the world on the heels of someone I’ve already forgotten winning VA’s governor race. Reality set in, didn’t it?
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 6:40 AM
still haven't come to grips that we have a PRESIDENT TRUMP have you Mets?
By bigfresh (3564), north sea on Nov 16, 17 6:42 AM
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I have a problem with a child who can't act like a man or act like a president. I don't understand how you don't take him to task after all that he promised and hasn't delivered. Isn't it great we have a pedophile running for the senate and he has no comment about it.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 8:51 AM
Your little experiment will be over soon. Along with it your misognism, xenophobia, white supremacist, divisiveness, lying, dishonest vision of America.After all is said and done, the tangerine toddler will go down as the worst president in American history. You supporting him confirms everything I've said about him, because those are the values you believe in.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 8:58 AM
Can someone give details about his trillion dollar infrastructure program? He was going to fix everything, so far a big, fat zero.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 9:00 AM
By the way bf and slime, he's your coward, not mine.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 9:09 AM
Metsy Wetsy
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 16, 17 10:58 AM
Bingo bingo bingo and bingo Mets fan.

But go easy on the blind Trumpeteers, as childish bullies generally cannot see a fellow fool, because of their own blinders.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!

By Nero (255), Sag Harbor on Nov 16, 17 9:40 AM
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Go easy on them because the more you cast blame and call names, the more likely they are to reject criticism and double down.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 9:50 AM
Trumpettes would support the orange cheetoh if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue or started nuclear war. The good news is that this is just a temporary experiment that will end soon and they can join the many fine people who protested in Charlottesville for the rest of their days,
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 12:04 PM
Script Flips: Sitting Senator Caught in Act

Franken caught in Sex Assault on Sleeping Woman.

Franken has to resign from the Senate. This proves he is unfit for public office and should be forced to register as a sex offender. Leeann Tweeden, a journalist who anchors the morning news at TalkRadio 790 KABC in Los Angeles, California, is filing carges on Senator Al Franken (D-MN) of fondling her while asleep and shoving his tongue down her throat without her consent,and has pictures ...more
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 16, 17 1:57 PM
It is wonderful watching the wheels come off the Roy Moore smear campaign while seeing that Al Franken is now exposed. Now let's see if pervert FrankenGroper is expelled.
Nov 16, 17 2:02 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Darrel Nelson, the stepson of Republican senatorial candidate Roy Moore accuser Beverly Young Nelson, claims that his stepmother’s accusations are “one hundred percent a lie.”“There is a lot of details that just does not add up,” he stated. “Do I believe that she is being paid? I have got a feeling that that is so.”
By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 16, 17 2:02 PM
Yes but the biggest media hoax ever is this sudden contrition over the shielding of Bill Clinton for 25 years against numerous allegations that ranged from sexual harassment to flat-out rape, and they know they can never run Biden because his touch feely episodes are quite recorded through the years! good knows what they would find if he ran for office!
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 16, 17 2:10 PM

But it's all just locker-room talk, remember? Oh wait, you're not into football.
By johnj (833), Westhampton on Nov 16, 17 2:16 PM
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Was the woman underage?

Still gross of Franken, and if he faces a reckoning from his voters he deserves it, but let's not compare him to Roy "Shopping Mall" Moore.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 2:17 PM
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We'll said
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 4:47 PM
It seems the law can't cure pederasty, or pedophilia. You don't get banned from a mall because you're a victim of a "smear campaign".

Roy Moore is just another bible thumping self righteous hypocrite who drew over a million dollars out of his "charity" for himself and his family. Typical religious zealot hate spewing scumbag.

"You're just a child, I'm the district attorney. If you tell anyone about this no one will ever believe you."

~ Roy Moore to Beverly Young Nelson
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 16, 17 6:50 PM
I despise Al Franken but personally I say big deal ! She was a big girl she could handle herself. FrankenGroper and lewis CK are is a morons the end !

Clinton, Weiner and Weinstein on the other hand are proven predators and guilty at a whole different level
Nov 16, 17 7:11 PM appended by Ditch Bum
FrankenGroper and lewis CK are morons the end !
By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 16, 17 7:11 PM
Lol, looks like this tax bill is going to pass. Glad I make more than 75 grand!
By johnj (833), Westhampton on Nov 16, 17 3:44 PM
The Senate and House bills still differ substantially...it will probably go to conference and then it's anyone's game.
Nov 16, 17 3:51 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Though Paul Ryan's amendment to repeal the individual mandate with this deal might be a poison pill, if it makes it into the final Senate version.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 3:51 PM
I will never support you again.You are a traitor to the Republican Party !
By bayview (153), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 5:42 PM
Why do you say that bay? Zeldin is putting his constituents first. I see nothing wrong with that? I also like the fact that the proposed tax reform bill is trying to throw some responsibility back on the states to get their affairs in order. Elimination of the SALT tax and elimination of the deductions for tax preparers fees will not help me but I do like many things in the bill. I'm just nervous of the cost. Dems love to add to the debt through social programs and repubs through tax cuts. None ...more
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Nov 20, 17 10:40 AM
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By bayview (153), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 5:47 PM
Lol, he voted against raising your taxes and the bill passed anyway, get a grip.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 16, 17 6:10 PM
Geez, I hope this is irony. He is sworn torepresent the people, not any political party.
By VOS (1104), WHB on Nov 16, 17 6:57 PM
210,000 gallon Keystone leak. The experts said it would happen and it did. Let Drumpf suck it up with a straw. This is the moron you support.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 16, 17 8:02 PM
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Officials don't believe the leak affected any surface water bodies or threatened any drinking water systems, said Brian Walsh, an environmental scientist manager at the South Dakota Department of Environment and Natural Resources, which has dispatched a staff member to the site.

"Ultimately, the cleanup responsibility lies with TransCanada, and they'll have to clean it up in compliance with our state regulations," Walsh said.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 17, 17 6:48 AM
Would you live next to it?
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 18, 17 2:11 PM
It looks like Sen. Franken has come clean and apologized. Pres. Trump did far worse against far more women and lies about it. Moore is not only a liar but a pervert and likely pedophile. For those engaged in keeping tallies of the political persuasions of offenders, do some research about the homosexual child prostitution ring brought after hours to Poppy Bush's White House which made the June 29,1989 front page headline of the Washington Times. A story that got promptly shut down (there ...more
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 16, 17 8:48 PM
Fake news from the Washington Slimes all the way back in 1984, no surprise. So in your opinion JuneZ does Franken's apology make the crime go away?
By bigfresh (3564), north sea on Nov 17, 17 7:12 AM
Not fake news---covered up news. There are photos. Poppy is a known perv--had a mistress and is still being accused of a**grabbing from his wheelchair. This despite all the sickening canonization by his family and the MSM.
And no, Franken does not get a pass. He does get props for fessing up, and at least he doesn't go after children. I notice crickets from the Abuser-in-Chief re: pedophilia, but high dudgeon over behavior he has boastfully engaged in all of his life. That Mr.-Devoid-of-Authority ...more
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 17, 17 10:42 AM
Now Mr. bigfresh, let me ask you a question.
What say you about the following direct quote from the Access Hollywood tape being it describes what Franken has been charged with: “I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.?
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 17, 17 11:39 AM
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Besides felony sexual assault, are there any other crimes you think wealthy democrat men should get skate for if they apologize?
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 19, 17 12:35 PM
Junezy , Mets, johnyj How you doin

good night
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 16, 17 10:25 PM
Watching libs on this site attempt to explain why they are angry at Zeldin is laughable. They would have been just as angry if he voted in favor of Trump's tax increase on the wealthy. In just 11 months Trump has exposed the left for the anti-American, anti-woman party of the rich elites they are....something we've known for eons.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 17, 17 6:46 AM
I read back the comments and this is the only one I can find complaining about Zeldin's vote:

"I will never support you again.You are a traitor to the Republican Party !"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 17, 17 7:32 AM
"Tax INCREASE on the wealthy"? In what world are you living?
You're being royally screwed, and you like it? Makes sense I guess when you have a room temperature IQ.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 17, 17 10:53 AM
Everything is exactly the opposite of how it is reported in the media. There is Shenanigans going on on both sides it's just the nature of men . Most of the time when it goes over the line it is on the left. Most Republicans have an element of decency built into them after the initial infraction. It is the Bill Clinton's of the world that we have seen go beyond the line. As far as this judge Moore thing is concerned.... we are talking about the 1970s here and Alabama to try and hold this man responsible ...more
By widow gavits (193), sag harbor on Nov 17, 17 7:25 AM
She was FOURTEEN
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 17, 17 7:29 AM
What was the legal age of consent with permission of a guardian in those years in the south ? I know in my home country it would be a pretty common this back then. Assuming the judge did what his accusers are trying to say he did, were there any laws broken ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1683), southampton on Nov 17, 17 10:03 AM
Common in the Old Testament.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 17, 17 10:37 PM
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By widow gavits (193), sag harbor on Nov 17, 17 7:25 AM
Meanwhile . . .

Muller keeps building his foundation -- brick by brick.

When his House of Interrogation is further along, the noose of guilt will occupy a special room upstairs. Its manila fibers will eventually start to prickle and irritate the neck of you-know-who.

And he will fidget, squirm, and keep denying things, as reality closes in.

His minions will have turned on him, in what will appear to be betrayal.

Such is the nature of fantastical dream ...more
By PBR (4869), Southampton on Nov 17, 17 7:49 AM
Do you have any idea the irony in your accusing others of living in a fantastical dream world of self-deception, after writing this, which can only be described as a fantastical dream world of self-deception?


"Muller keeps building his foundation -- brick by brick.

When his House of Interrogation is further along, the noose of guilt will occupy a special room upstairs. Its manila fibers will eventually start to prickle and irritate the neck of you-know-who.

And he ...more
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 17, 17 7:56 AM
POTUS is okay with Manila.
By loading... (547), quiogue on Nov 17, 17 12:52 PM
Watergate took 27 months.

Food for thought...
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 10:21 AM
Nixon couldn’t account for 8 mins and did not erase anything.
Hillary can’t account for 8 years and “you mean, with a cloth?”

You’re still talking about Nixon. Food for thought.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 19, 17 12:33 PM
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will remind our leftist members here of this quote when the special prosecutor is set up for the PIAPS
By bigfresh (3564), north sea on Nov 19, 17 12:33 PM
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“you mean, with a cloth?” condescending POS deserves to go to jail for that alone!

By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 19, 17 1:43 PM
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No, it's actually a valid comparison to creating an airtight case.

There are some things you don't want to **** up.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 9:31 PM
Ballsy vote for Lee.
By Toma Noku (616), Southampton on Nov 17, 17 9:12 AM
Why? Isn't it what his constituents want?
By VOS (1104), WHB on Nov 19, 17 12:18 PM
For widow gavits, google Wes Goodman from Ohio. Another family values blow-hard from your right wing of decent people.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 17, 17 1:14 PM
Cancelled my cable today.

Cable wouldn’t bundle in stations without ESPN, so I guess only have internet for now.

Ratings continue to fall for the NFL’s games, the ratings for the various Sunday pregame shows on the broadcast networks have also cratered.
ESPN, has seen a decline in viewership for Sunday NFL Countdown of nearly 20 percent through the first nine weeks of the 2017 NFL season.

It is “the most significant drop of any of the networks,” ...more
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 17, 17 2:45 PM
Thank God! At least you won't be able to watch Fox News. There's hope for you yet, Dan. You might as well cancel the Internet too. All the NFL games stream live on there.
By johnj (833), Westhampton on Nov 17, 17 2:50 PM
Congrats, cable-cutting is the hottest trend of 2014.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 17, 17 2:56 PM
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Schweizer: ‘Very Inside Guy,’ Whistle-blower Coming Forward on Uranium One

Clinton is the Titanic, all the lifeboats have already felt the ship. She's sinking and doesn't want to believe it!
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 17, 17 4:36 PM
"The witness, a Florida businessman and former FBI informant named William Douglas Campbell, was considered so unreliable that prosecutors dropped him as a witness in an unrelated case involving Russian uranium sales, according to the sources."
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 10:14 AM
RUSSELL SIMMONS SEX ASSAULT CLAIM as LAPD investigates nearly two dozen sex crime cases tied to Hollywood
by SAFIA SAMEE ALI and ANDREW BLANKSTEIN
Los Angeles police are investigating almost two dozen cases of alleged criminal sexual misconduct connected to multiple people within the entertainment industry, a senior department official told NBC News.
Nov 19, 17 12:24 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
in an unrelated case
By Undocumented Democrat (1683), southampton on Nov 19, 17 12:24 PM

GOLDMAN SACHS: IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT NEW YEAR...
Economy to roar in '18...

MEGA
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 18, 17 11:28 PM
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So sad that Obama rejected Keystone Pipeline. Thousands of jobs, good for the environment, no downside! Guess what ignoramus tweeted that? Trusting our environment with this moronic clown. Explain to your grandchildren how you trusted Drumpf with our precious environment. Who would like to drink the water next to the oil spill or next to one of those unsealed pits filled with coal waste?
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 19, 17 10:04 AM
Get real will you ! The local aturitys are saying It was sabotaged by activist group, "The spill was completely isolated withing 15 minutes and emergency response procedures were activated. The saftey of the public and the environment were never in danger"

Eco terrorism
By Undocumented Democrat (1683), southampton on Nov 19, 17 12:35 PM
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You live next to it then! Or live in Carolina next to one of those coal waste pits.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 5:45 AM
The pipeline leak was underground. Some of it surfaced.

GOP = dumb as a box of hammers
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 20, 17 7:40 PM
Yeah, ecoterrorists if it was ecoterrorists aren't smart enough to get to pipeline 3-6 feet deep.

DEM=DUM
Nov 20, 17 9:55 PM appended by Po Boy
Coincidentally a neighboring state was to make a major pipeline decision next week. Hmmmm....
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 20, 17 9:55 PM
Herschel Walker: ‘I Absolutely Think the Protests Are Disgusting, I Blame the Commissioner , he should have stopped the protests from the very beginning.”

Walker is one of the greats from a time when the NFL was about football ! Remember not to watch a single game today ! Keep the pressure on the National Felons League. The sponsors are leaving and the people are winning!

STAND!
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 17 12:13 PM
I was just reading that President Trump’s approval ratings, often mocked by the media, top those of Europe’s biggest three leaders, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Britain’s Theresa May and French President Emmanuel Macron.

A new Zogby Analytics survey of people in those countries finds that the disapproval ratings for those leaders are much worse than that of President Trump.

Nice job Mr. Trump
Nov 19, 17 1:32 PM appended by joe hampton
This poll comes on the heels of a new Quinnipiac University National Poll that said most of the country remains angry and divided over, the media’s treatment of President Trump and his administration, it found that 58 percent “disapprove” of the coverage. Going on to say the American voters disapprove 58 - 38 percent of the way the media covers Trump and feel that the media “focuses too much” on any negative stories they can find.
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 19, 17 1:32 PM
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DRAIN THE SWAMP !
By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 19, 17 1:41 PM
"It is not goodness to be better than the worst"

~ Seneca
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 9:27 PM
A Reminder That America Is Incredibly Corrupt and Only Getting Worse

A mistrial in a major case against a sitting US Senator is just the latest reason to despair about unlimited shady behavior by powerful politicians.

ByErin Schwartz
llustrated byLia Kantrowitz
Nov 17 2017, 3:00pm
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 9:36 PM
What's negative about covering a loser. Did you get your new red hat, "The buck never stops here."
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 5:48 AM
U.S. Growth Forecasts Are on the Rise.

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, By Chelsey Dulaney
Nov 20, 2017 8:47 am ET

Don’t look now, but U.S. growth forecasts are moving higher. That’s helping to support U.S. stocks.

Projections for U.S. economic growth from two Federal Reserve banks have risen in recent weeks. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Friday forecast that gross domestic product will rise 3.8% in the fourth quarter, up from a forecast of 3.2% a week ...more
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 20, 17 9:45 AM
KATHY GRFFIN BLACKLISTED: I HAVE NO GIGS IN USA!

Perfect
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 19, 17 8:07 PM
karma's a bitch and so is kathy griffin.
By Erin 27 E (1038), hampton bays on Nov 19, 17 8:12 PM
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"A bad man, when he pretends to be a good man, is the worst man of all."

~ Publilius Syrus
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 19, 17 9:28 PM
ESPNers trying to escape sinking ship...In the next few weeks, ESPN is expected to undergo another round of massive layoffs, Sporting News cites 40-60 layoffs coming,

NICE Go try MSNBC Liberal social justice commentary is what you have experience doing anyway !
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 20, 17 4:28 PM
Ivanka’s signature real estate deals were disasters linked to drug cartels and money laundering

The president’s daughter has been at the center of a pair of the presidential projects tied most closely to grand corruption.

CASEY MICHEL
NOV 18, 2017, 4:47 PM


"...a Reuters investigation also found that Alexandre Henrique Ventura Nogueira, the building’s primary broker, admitted that he offered money laundering among his services. “When I was ...more
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 20, 17 7:46 PM
OMG.....they had a meeting. The horror.

Meanwhile, the typical Democratic modus operandi is in full swing... accuse Republicans of what Democrats are guilty of. We're seeing full well what the War on Women was all about.
Nov 20, 17 8:45 PM appended by Po Boy
The only thing less surprising from Think Progress is you gulping it down and vomiting it back up.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 20, 17 8:45 PM
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Loser. Sad, can't see glaring red flag...


Make Nepotism Great Again: 20 Families Got Jobs in Trump Administration

Rudy Giuliani’s son, Seb Gorka’s wife, Eric Trump’s brother-in-law. Multiple members of the same families hold positions of power.

LACHLAN MARKAY
11.20.17 5:00 AM ET


A Daily Beast examination of public records reveals that there are at least 20 families, joined by either blood or marriage, in which multiple members ...more
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 20, 17 10:41 PM
GOP Surrenders Cherished IRS Scandal at Last

The fiction served the GOP for years, yet died quietly this month, forsaken and alone.

By Francis Wilkinson
November 20, 2017, 9:00 AM EST


Republicans claimed the IRS served as an attack dog for the Obama White House. But inquiries by the House Ways and Means Committee, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the Senate Finance Committee, the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and the Justice ...more
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 20, 17 10:49 PM
"all failed to produce evidence of political interference."

"Yet the IRS clearly applied extra scrutiny to groups that it thought might be engaged in too much [CONSERVATIVE] politics to warrant the preferential tax designation."

If we haven't learned by now that the slimy underbelly of establishment politics doesn't leave a smoking gun, then we really are as Deplorable as the Left believes us to be.
Nov 21, 17 7:39 AM appended by Po Boy
Feds to pay ‘generous’ settlement to tea party groups for targeting. Sessions reaches deal, apologizes for Obama-era behavior. By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, October 26, 2017. The government apologized Thursday for illegally targeting tea party groups for intrusive scrutiny and agreed to settlements with hundreds of organizations snared in the targeting, bringing to a close one of the more embarrassing episodes of the Obama administration. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said the IRS owed the groups an apology after years of poor treatment and even longer refusal to concede bad behavior. He placed blame on “the last administration,” saying the targeting that went on under President Obama “was wrong and should never have occurred.”
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 7:39 AM
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By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 8:00 AM
You're purposely obfuscating the activity of the IRS with your [BRACKETS].

They targeted political groups that should not receive "social welfare" designation by searching for key words in their name such as "patriot", "tea party", "occupy", and "environment".
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 8:32 AM
Yes, saw that in the opinion piece, nothing new there. The vast VAST majority were conservative groups. This is undisputed fact.

And as Mr. Z plants the victory flag in the shadows of Lois Lerner pleading the 5th, the findingsshouldn't surprise anyone: IRS Wipes Another Hard Drive Defying Court Order...But You Must Keep Tax Records*

"In March 2014, nine months after receiving a congressional subpoena to preserve and turn over the information, the IRS deleted approximately 24,000 ...more
Nov 21, 17 8:52 AM appended by Po Boy
I would suspect "occupy"and "environment" elements collateral damage of the IRS literally doing its job and getting caught up in the Conservative fray.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 8:52 AM
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Sounds like the sheer number of conservative groups started during the Obama administration was far greater than the number of liberal groups. It's almost like conservatives were energized for some reason, unified in opposition to something, but what could that be?

Is it possible, nay, probable, that the quantity of liberal groups started in the wake of Trump's election has similarly mushroomed?

And FYI, the IRS has been using names to screen political groups for scrutiny since ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 9:01 AM
More laughable selectivity and hypocrisy: Cite an article from (the right wing) Washington Times that purports to bolster your mistaken belief but actually deals with only HALF the story, but slime it when it (accurately) reports that a child sex slavery ring is brought after hours into Poppy Bush's White House.
Nov 21, 17 12:55 PM appended by June Bug
This meant for PoBoy.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 21, 17 12:55 PM
Uhhhh....events are what events are there JuneZ. As much as you may want to hold your breath and pretend a settlement with Conservative groups didn't happen...it did. Will this help you sleep better at night?

Justice Department settles IRS targeting lawsuits. Tal Kopan By Tal Kopan, CNN
Nov 21, 17 1:05 PM appended by Po Boy
No idea what the rest of your rant was about, other than making a Leftist turn at the fork in the road.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 1:05 PM
Is Trump's Justice Department choosing to settle the claims a political choice, equivalent to Obama's Justice Department refusing to defend DOMA?

I think so.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 1:07 PM
CBS fires Charlie Rose after Sexual Harassment Report
Nov 21, 17 1:54 PM appended by They call me
good ole charlie,, slinging his meat all over CBS thinking it was a shared moment lmfaoo,, funky old guy waltzing around naked saying ,, its mutual ,, only one problem,, the women kept their clothes on lol
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 21, 17 1:54 PM
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CHARLIE ROSE, CHARLIE FELL
Nov 21, 17 1:59 PM appended by Ditch Bum
New allegation against Franken, this time met with silence / ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) A woman says Al Franken pulled her in tightly and put his hand on her buttocks in 2010 while posing for a picture at the Minnesota State Fair, the second allegation of improper conduct against the Democrat and first involving his time as a senator.
By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 1:59 PM
I'd complain about our collective inability to stay on-topic, but I'm part of the problem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 2:00 PM
Melissa Gilbert Accuses Oliver Stone Of Sexual Harassment: “It Was Humiliating And Horrid”
By Ditch Bum (495), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 2:01 PM
Be careful... Its a trap. The media has stopped being hyper hypocritical with liberals on the sexual harassment issues for the first time in 20 years ! Why ? They are creating sacrificial lambs to try and bolster some B S infraction of President Trump!

The harmless and fictional Billy Bush bus comment is all they have after an army of dirt diggers have lived for nothing else for 12 months. To me this implys that President Trump just might be the cleanest man to hold the office in decades.
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 21, 17 2:11 PM
There's also the violent rape that Trump's ex-wife documented, then recanted in exchange for her divorce settlement.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 2:13 PM
So what does that make her ?
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 21, 17 7:56 PM
What about the other 16 women?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 9:03 PM
"Is Trump's Justice Department choosing to settle the claims a political choice, equivalent to Obama's Justice Department refusing to defend DOMA?"

Huh? Leftist turn. On the surface, I get it, but what does that have to do with the inabiity of Congressional leaders to find wrong doing in light of 24,000 emails and backups being deleted?

And following your logic of political choice, it would stand to reason it was Obama's Administration that chose to destroy 33,000 emails by Hillary ...more
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 21, 17 9:32 PM
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I guess what I was trying to highlight is that, if the Justice Department chose to defend the actions of the IRS, you would see the Trump Justice Department arguing that Tea Party groups engaged in political actions not permitted by tax-exempt entities. Why would they do that?

It'd be like Obama's justice department fighting against gay marriage in the courts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 10:26 PM
Harmless and fictional, it's on video. You are part of the problem to dismiss Drumpf of sexual harassment. You live in some delusional world.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 22, 17 7:45 AM
He did get me to start talking about the IRS a comment after I brought up the 16 women accusing POTUS of sexual abuse. That's a hell of a deflection.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 7:52 AM
But what does that have to do with 24,000 missing emails and 422 backup tapes that were wiped clean which would seem to give cause as to why no "political interference" was found. Why would the IRS defy a preservation order and subpoena and shy would Lois Lerner plead the 5th?

Where is the correlation in your example of such an egregious and insubordinate act?
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 7:56 AM
The original hard drive crashed, the backups were unintentionally deleted, and the investigation turned up nothing to suggest criminality. In addition, other sources turned up many of the deleted emails, from what I remember.

Why were we talking about this in the first place? I thought this discussion was about the 16 women accusing Trump of sexual abuse.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 8:05 AM
Very convenient, those hard drives crashing (if true) and multiple backups deleted.

You're wrong, but be my guest. I haven't been.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 9:56 AM
Why would it be convenient? The deletion raised more issues than anything they found on subsequent computers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:00 AM
I’m asking about one in particular.
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 22, 17 10:05 AM
Ho hum... where there is smoke there's fire.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 10:06 AM
Sturgis, you're saying you disbelieve one allegation, and I get it, because the person who wrote it cast doubt on it herself, but there's strength in numbers, and 16 women is a lot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:12 AM
You know what commenters here won't do?

Defend Al Franken, John Conyers, or Charlie Rose the way some have defended Roy Moore.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 2:07 PM
I don't think anyone here is defending Roy Moore. The people of Alabama should be given a choice to vote for someone that holds there values and not be forced to vote for a Democrat who is a late term abortion advocate at worst and a big government liberal at best.
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 21, 17 2:16 PM
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You must have missed the comments from folks referencing relationships that were common in "biblical times" and defending his sexual contact with women including a 14 year old as "acceptable at the time" and "not illegal"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 2:21 PM
Since when is "force" involved in a vote? Ever hear of the options of writing in a candidate, or staying home?
Oh, and isn't it time you learned the difference between "their" and "there" for crying out loud? Who is handing out diplomas to the local illiterates that show up on this thread?
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 21, 17 8:52 PM
Yes June your solution will assure a much better outcome for the Democrats in the general senate. That is why the media, your party and the rinos are trying to destroy Judge Moore. We all get it so please stop insulting everyones intelligence. It is really none of your business. let the people of Alabama decide there the ones voting unless you plan on moving their.
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 21, 17 10:06 PM
Let's face it: nobody here would be surprised if the people from the great state of Alabama voted for someone who fondled a 14 year old at the age of 32 as long as they vote against abortion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 21, 17 10:20 PM
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Nope I would not be surprised at all when the choice is Alabama would have to elect a liberal that wants to put pervs in the girl's bathroom to the Senate or who is advocating late term abortion on demand, I would vote for Moore on the pro life issue alone. What's worse, asking a teen for a kiss or a grope or the killing of late term babies ? the latter is much more evil than the dating a girl with legal permission of the guardian where no laws of the day were broken.
Nov 21, 17 11:43 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
there is still the it possibility that Moore is not guilty? He could be innocent of the charges?Women like Gloria Albrite lie for money all the time,I'm not saying they will not prove Morre guilty but as of now the do not have enough to force him out.
By Undocumented Democrat (1683), southampton on Nov 21, 17 11:43 PM
I understand that you (and many others) would vote (and have voted) for someone who stands accused of sexual impropriety by several women, as long as they promised to vote the way you want, I'm just saying I would rather stay home than vote for bad people.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 6:12 AM
I know right? It not like every day we hear about another prominent Democrat being exposed as a prolific serial rapist!?

Oh wait. Yes it is.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 22, 17 7:04 AM
Isn't it weird how nobody is defending the democrats as opposed to Roy Moore? Weren't you the one who was saying "it wasn't illegal!" (for a 32 year old man to fondle a 14 year old girl).
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 7:31 AM
Note to you and all Democrats: NO MEANS NO!!
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 22, 17 7:38 AM
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Tell Roy Moore that being a minor means no.
Nov 22, 17 7:41 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Note: there are still ZERO democrats defending Franken and Moyers, but there's a line of Republicans deflecting for Moore and Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 7:41 AM
Inquiring minds would like to know how the initials D.A. were signed in the year book when Roy Moore wasn't even a DA at the time of the alleged incident.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 7:47 AM
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That's a question for Roy Moore, I understand he refuses to deny signing it in the first place, despite attacking its authenticity.

Also, the accuser is offering to hand over the book for verification by 3rd party upon the start of an official investigation. Seems fair, no?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 7:51 AM
No, it's a question for the accuser and her attorney which they have refused to cooperate or respond to by allowing the handwriting analysis. Roy Moore's attorney has already provided a response. No defense here of Roy Moore, simply a legitimate question of anyone being accused of something. The answer has been given that it is a similar signature of the accusers divorce decree when she appeared before Judge Moore and as was typically done, witnessed by Delver Adams who typically stamped his initials ...more
Nov 22, 17 8:05 AM appended by Po Boy
Seems fair, no? Are you f'n kidding??? How is that fair AFTER the election. What's wrong with here and now? THAT would be fair. But, it's not about being fair, it's about winning an election.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 8:05 AM
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So why wouldn't Moore deny signing it altogether?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 8:12 AM
What, denying he ever knew the woman wasn't enough?

So why won't Gloria Allred allow analysis immediately? What is she afraid of and what is she hiding?
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 8:44 AM
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I think he denied knowing two of the four women that had come out at the time in the Hannity interview but he waffled so much it was hard to make sense.

His attorney, on the other hand, has deftly used legalese to address the accusations:

He questions whether the signature in the yearbook was "altered" but does not deny Moore signing it.

He calls the allegations "politically-motivated" which is not mutually exclusive with true.

I say let's wait until Moore is ...more
Nov 22, 17 9:07 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Now we're up to eight women, btw
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 9:07 AM
You asked why Moore didn't deny sighing it all together.

The answer is: he denied ever knowing the woman.

You've ignored this interesting facet...Why won't Gloria Allred allow analysis immediately? What is she afraid of and what is she hiding?
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 9:32 AM
If the accusers back down from their commitment to testify before a Senate hearing I'll be the first to doubt their claims, but in the absence of a formal process they can let the allegations dribble out on a daily basis if they choose.

To answer your question: they're not handing over the book because they don't have to.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 9:36 AM
"To answer your question: they're not handing over the book because they don't have to."

You must have some insider information. Please share!! Friends with Gloria?

I would think they'd want to substantiate the allegations in the face of the denial.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 9:53 AM
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You can choose to disbelieve one or all of the eight women, Po. It's no skin off anyone's back, and nothing they didn't expect the moment they decided to speak up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 9:57 AM
I think most would be interested in seeing verification where it was present and find the fact that where it does seem to have the opportunity to be present, the accuser through her attorney have place stipulations knowing full well what they are asking for would likely never happen.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 10:05 AM
I thought we were going to investigate Roy Moore once he's a Senator?

I have no doubts he'll be elected, so why wouldn't we follow through on the investigation?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:10 AM
* woman who have been silent for 40 years? Please this is politically motivated and if not then let the election take place until proven guilty then if McConnell wants to trow him out we will replace him in the proper procedure
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 22, 17 10:31 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm saying Joe. When he enters the Senate we'll hear everyone out in the correct, formal setting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:50 AM
The voters of Alabama will need to decide if an accused child molester is better than a Democrat and I like your optimism Fore.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 10:55 AM
It's less optimism, more personal opinion of 'Bamers. But when you call 'em dumb they just go to the polls in droves to prove it, so...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 11:07 AM
They know you think they're dumb too. They're not as dumb as you think.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 11:22 AM
The statewide HS graduation rate (75%) says otherwise.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 11:44 AM
Well Mr. Wallace, would you like to add in any additional stereotyping while you're at it? You're on a roll, the floor is all yours Mr. Wallace.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 22, 17 1:46 PM
I'm not saying anything new or inaccurate, who did you think Trump was referring to when he said he loved the lowly educated?

The statistics speak for themselves, and 'Bama's students are below average in math, science, and reading from elementary through high school.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 2:05 PM
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No, just simply stating your opinion of the people of Alabama and trying to back it up and dig out somewhat bigoted comments with stretch statistics. Trump was in Nevada when he said that, a state with the lowest graduation rate. BTW, New York's graduation rate isn't much better than Alabama, at 77%, so the stats don't really support your claim and you must not think too kindly on New Yorkers either. In reality, Alabama has fairly a fairly decent graduation rate. Keep digging.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 23, 17 10:11 PM
Lol, a fairly decent HS grad rate is ranked 3rd worst in the nation?

Let's compare the education rates among adults (25+), then.

New York isn't near the top, ranked 35 with 84.9% of adults holding HS diplomas, but Alabama is ranked 45, only beating out Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, California, and Texas.

And college degrees? New York ranks 9th with 32.5% of adults having earned a bachelor's or higher.

Alabama? Ranked 44 with 21.9% of adults having at least ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 23, 17 10:43 PM
75% HS graduation rate... Alabama vs. 77% New York. Nuff said.

You raised the issue with the colorful opinion, and now down the rabbit hole you go. Have fun down there.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 8:34 AM
It's less optimism, more personal opinion of 'Bamers. But when you call 'em dumb they just go to the polls in droves to prove it, so...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (586), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 11:07 AM
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 8:38 AM
Regardless of your view on how educated New Yorkers are, the opinion that 'Bamers tend to be lowly educated is well-supported.

If I wanted to express a colorful opinion I'd crack a joke about affectionate cousins.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 24, 17 8:42 AM
The statewide HS graduation rate (75%) says otherwise.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (586), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 11:44 AM
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 8:55 AM
Well that was the last trustworthy number, since the state has apparently been embroiled in a scandal for misreporting numbers for a couple of years.

Also, everything I found says NY is 79.4%, for what it's worth.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 24, 17 9:05 AM
So what you're saying is your opinion of "'Bamer's" is actually much less given the numbers might be lower. Good to know. Thanks.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 9:09 AM
Let's not put words in my mouth, now. I may have called 'em dumb en masse, but that doesn't mean many of them aren't fine people.
Nov 24, 17 9:13 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also: "Bamers" is the plural, "Bamer's" is possessive.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 24, 17 9:13 AM
Time to exercise your right of return.
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 24, 17 10:33 AM
I'm fine right where I am, tyvm. You can pry my American citizenship from my cold, dead hands.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 24, 17 10:50 AM
Dual citizenship no doubt.
Nov 24, 17 2:36 PM appended by Po Boy
The disparaging comments that "'Bamers" are dumb continues to be noted and we'll add condescending for good measure. BTW, I was quoting your use of "'Bamer's."
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 2:36 PM
I don't think you were, because the first instance of "Bamer's" on this page is in your comment. Hit "CTRL+F" and check yourself.
Nov 25, 17 2:53 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It's funny that the most ignorant people about American citizenship are the native-born: when one goes through the naturalization process they are required to disavow all other allegiances, including other prior citizenship.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 24, 17 2:53 PM
Noticeably absent is a confirmation or denial of your dual citizenship.
Disavow allegiances...good one. So to recap, you can still legally have dual citizenship. Well?

It's funny that the most ignorant people about Americans in general are the foreign born.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 25, 17 11:58 AM
Funny thing is I had to earn my citizenship, as opposed to those just born into it, and isn't that the most American thing of all?

The U.S. doesn't recognize dual citizenship but I'd have to research the laws in my birth country, which I honestly couldn't be bothered to do.

I only hold a US passport, if that's what you're asking.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 25, 17 12:32 PM
Please do define "earn it" and "just" born into it. Wow. The filing out of the paperwork linking you to another relative...and the waiting.... oh the waiting. Must have been horrendous. Oh, and the test... How did you survive it? All those who are legal are welcome to the US, but the attitude and sense of entitlement Geez.

The US has no official policy or laws on dual citizenship.
Nov 26, 17 11:14 AM appended by Po Boy
You do realize you just said you were "more" of a citizen for "earning it", right? Just imagine if I had said you were lesser of a citizen for not being born here. Good Lord.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 26, 17 11:14 AM
"Just born into it" seems self-explanatory. As to how I earned my American citizenship...well, I have a policy of not divulging too much personal information on the internet...désolé.
Nov 27, 17 12:03 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Also, I'm not saying I'm more of a citizen, which is a legal status, I'm saying I'm more American (unless you're a member of the military), which is a state of mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 26, 17 12:03 PM
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown

"I understand that you (and many others) would vote (and have voted) for someone who stands accused of sexual impropriety by several women, as long as they promised to vote the way you want,"

Really ? Like Anthony Weiner, Bob Menendez or the King of swing Billy Boy Clinton ?



By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 22, 17 10:25 AM
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I don't know anyone that defended Anthony Weiner.

Bob Menendez was never charged on the prostitution allegations and all the women recanted their stories.

Bill Clinton got a pass for a long time, but it looks like it just ran out.

In any event, I didn't vote for any of them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:49 AM
Rachel Maddow devoted to the subject a few days after Weiner was initially caught tweeting an indecent picture of himself in the summer of 2011. The MSNBC host devoted nearly six minutes of her show to posing laughable theories that sought to explain away the incident as a hacking, per Weiner's contention.

Embattled Congressman Anthony Weiner Defended by Jon Stewart (Video)

The New York representative is embroiled in a scandal involving a lewd photo he allegedly tweeted to an ...more
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 23, 17 7:10 AM
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I didn't know that, thanks for the information.

Wasn't this when we found out about a consensual but adulterous relationship, though?

Before we learned that he was also a pedophile?

I don't think anyone defended him after that came out.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 23, 17 9:43 PM
Happy to Thanksgiving to you all ... we can argue again on Monday!
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Nov 23, 17 12:00 AM
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The NFL ratings slump is getting worse
By Richard Morgan November 22, 2017 | 4:23pm

The TV audience for NFL games steepened its slide in Week 11, losing 1 million viewers versus last year’s season-to-date average.

The 6.3 percent slump — worsening from comparable declines of 5.6 to 5.7 percent during the previous three weeks
Nov 23, 17 1:24 AM appended by 27dan
DON'T FORGET TO KEEP THE NATIONAL FELONS LEAGUE OFF THE TV THIS HOLIDAY ! Bring a game to your relatives and play after dinner for a nice change of pace .
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 23, 17 1:24 AM
Chargers playing Dallas today, what kind of Thanksgiving match up is that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 23, 17 7:00 AM
Not one that will garner decent ratings.

May as well be Cleveland v Buffalo.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 25, 17 7:56 PM
Crushing the spirit of democrats and ending the reign of rinos does not take a holiday.
By SlimeAlive (876), Southampton on Nov 23, 17 6:54 AM
Billy Baldwin Rages: ‘Fat A**’ Donald Trump ‘Hit On My Wife’

I wonder if your brother who likes to shove photog"s around and call his daughter a pig is allowed near your wife?

Real headline should read ''Struggling actor desperate to get his name circulated''
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 25, 17 5:16 PM
That makes no sense at all. Why on earth would you sneak a taste of hamburger when you have steak at home. Melania's class and beauty makes Chyanna look like armature hour.
Nov 25, 17 5:33 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
That makes no sense at all. Why on earth would you sneak a taste of hamburger when you have steak at home. Melania's class and beauty makes Chyanna look like amateur hour.
By Undocumented Democrat (1683), southampton on Nov 25, 17 5:33 PM
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Because some people with psychological disorders simply can't help themselves regardless of their "dish".

And, there is no class or grace with plastic and botox.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 25, 17 7:53 PM
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@Undoc Dem:
Help me understand-- your standard of "beauty" is limited to artifice that can be purchased, and in your version of morality, a woman who posed in the nude can be regarded as having "class"?
Do you recognize how warped such standards are?
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 26, 17 12:20 PM
Remember Trump revealing methods and sources to the Russians? Well the person he outed is probably dead. We'll see if the source is ever heard from again...

"One former Israeli official would not disclose what happened to the source but told Vanity Fair, "Whatever happened to him, it's a hell of price to pay for a president's mistake."


Derp, da derp derp, derp, derp, derp.
Nov 25, 17 8:10 PM appended by Mr. Z
Days Trump has been president: 307====== Days Trump has spent at one of his golf courses since being sworn in: 101 Cost: approximately 81 million dollars... Derpity derp derp, derp derp: "I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go play golf." ~ Donald J. Trump, August, 2016
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 25, 17 8:10 PM
Junzy when will you go away??? Your like the Keith Richards of partisan politics, After the apocalypse, You'll still be here, along with cockroaches and leftover styrofoam.....Just you Mets and Phil scouring around the basment looking for some free leftover crumbs.
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 26, 17 9:50 AM
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Those three are most likely the same people that don't ever get over in the left lane ( THE PASSING LANE BY THE WAY ) to let you by.
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 26, 17 9:03 PM
President Trump has made 1,628 false or misleading claims over 298 days

By Glenn Kessler, Meg Kelly and Nicole Lewis November 14


I'd stop supporting the lying sack of **** if I were you. But, thank Providence I'm not you...
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 27, 17 9:56 PM
Coal mining fatalities up sharply as Trump cuts safety regulations, cripples MSHA

By Mark Sumner
Friday Nov 24, 2017 · 1:01 PM EST


No matter what the signs say, Donald Trump does not “dig coal.” Trump may do favors for coal mine owners, but the actual digging is left to the nation’s small number of coal miners. Since Trump took office, the number of mining jobs has gone up. But it hasn’t doubled, no matter what lies Scott Pruitt tries to ...more
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 26, 17 8:50 AM
I wonder what Hillary is doing today. Ahhh yes, coal. One of the Left's hot button issues. This isn't rocket science. The coal mine industry was decimated under Obama. So when it says "and federal safety officials say workers who are new to a mine have been especially vulnerable to fatal accidents", well no duh. 83,000 jobs and 400 mines were closed under Obama due to over regulation. Obama dug graves AND killed jobs.

Have a nice day Hillary.
By Po Boy (1968), Water Mill on Nov 26, 17 11:32 AM
Talk about screwed up thinking.
"....decimated under Obama"? Who was president when the last coal-fired furnace was included in new housing construction? Oh, right--President Obama. And the mine accidents and fatalities that happened since 45 lifted safety regulations were caused by? Oh, right-- President Obama.
And Boy, you seriously need to consider getting some help with that obsession of yours. That is not normal.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 26, 17 12:30 PM
melania just unveiled the first trump christmas white house! the white house unveiled its christmas decorations on monday, with a theme of 'time-honored traditions', melania invited youngsters to view the decorations and do crafts, visiting the white house from nearby joint base andrews,the first lady was greeted with squeezes and hugs, as one young man told her that she looked 'beautiful, like an angel!'

By Erin 27 E (1038), hampton bays on Nov 28, 17 1:40 AM
Yes, we know, Trump's been hocking holiday MAGA stuff for months now.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 28, 17 9:12 AM
Wow you’re bitter
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 28, 17 9:38 AM
I won't lie, it does make me uncomfortable for a sitting president to capitalize on black Friday this way, even if it's just fundraising for 2020.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 28, 17 9:50 AM
Botox and plastic ain't classy.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 28, 17 6:56 PM
"Time-honored"? Did you actually see what she has overseen as "time-honored"? A production of a stylized winter motif more appropriate for an emporium where the 1%ers would shop? So non-traditional so as not to "offend" non-Christians. Looks to me more like a cry for help.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 28, 17 7:23 PM
Sorry, i guess you miss the Kwanzaa kumbada fruit strings Moochelle had laced all over the place.
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 29, 17 7:57 AM
Thank you for your drippingly racial citation.
We're talking about Christmas here. Check side-by-side photos of this year's and last's WH grand hallway decorations, and compare the cheerful Obama decorations in traditional red and green vs. trump's which I previously characterized as something generic you'd find in an urban retail emporium, but which is better described as Nuclear Winter. It is downright creepy, and totally laughable against the backdrop of Mr. Deplorable and his ...more
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 29, 17 3:04 PM
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By bigfresh (3564), north sea on Nov 29, 17 3:24 PM
Did the first lady Obama actually put up Kwanzaa decorations, or are you just saying it because it's a "black" thing?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 30, 17 6:12 AM
Yes, there were rooms M O decorated very Kwanzaa like and my point was that know one criticized her for it. The media has unfairly jumped all over Melania once again like the savages they are. Just trying to make a point!
Nov 30, 17 7:41 PM appended by They call me
"no one" on my phone, dam auto speak
By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 30, 17 7:41 PM
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Yeah, it seemed like a meaningless thing to focus on when there's so much consequential stuff happening m
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 30, 17 7:55 PM
GREAT AGAIN: New home sales rise to 10-year high...

STOCKS CONTINUE RECORD RUN...
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 27, 17 2:22 PM
Another embarrassing day for our country and disrespecting our military. Your child-liar-in-chief uses the term Pocohantas in a derogatory way in front of brave Native American code talkers. Disrespecting our military seems to be a common theme to Mr. Bone Spur.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 28, 17 6:06 AM
It was actually racism when Liz Warren (D) lied about being a Native American and stole an education meant for an authentic Native American child. By stealing from them again she used he white privilege to victimize those who had already suffered enough.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 28, 17 6:29 AM
Racism is the belief that one's race is inherently superior to others'.

Even if Warren had purposely lied about her heritage, I don't think you're using that word right.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 28, 17 9:05 AM
It was more like cultural appropriation, which in my opinion is even more insulting. But I’m picking up what you’re putting down.....
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 28, 17 9:43 AM
It would definitely be discriminatory to take the affirmative action benefits fraudulently, but we're assuming a knowing intent.

I still think it's possible that Warren simply took her family's statements about a Cherokee relative at face value, I know I considered gam gam's word as good as gospel back in the day.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 28, 17 9:53 AM
@even flow: You are promulgating a lie trumped up by her opponent (whose name escapes at the moment--Scott something) when she ran for the US Senate. On her application to Rutgers asking if she was applying under the school's program for Minority Group Students, she answered "NO". On her Univ of Texas employment documents, she indicated she was "WHITE".
She was RECRUITED by Harvard based on her expertise in a particular branch of law, not her DNA. The Boston Herald has twice quoted ...more
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 28, 17 12:29 PM
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They're not objective or intelligent enough to research anything.

They only get it, if they're fed it.
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 28, 17 7:22 PM
How does using an Indian slur honor the Native code talkers? He couldn't even give a speech to Boy Scouts without screwing it up. We all knew Drumpf was a moron, we underestimated his supporters.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 28, 17 9:23 AM
Just when you think this lowlife has exhibited the most appalling behavior possible, he outdoes himself. Takes a special kind of depravity to insert one's oafishness and racism into a ceremony meant to honor proud war heroes, old men without whose unique contribution we might not have prevailed at Iwo Jima. And with the added affront of holding it with Andrew Jackson's portrait as background? Anyone who is unaffected by this sickest of displays can accurately be characterized as deplorable.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 28, 17 12:48 PM
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STOCKS. KEEP. CLIMBING.

Home Prices Surge...

BREAKING: Consumer confidence hits 129.5 in November vs expectation of 124, Amazon leads S&P 500 and Dow to record highs after stronger than ever Cyber Monday sales

MEGA
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 28, 17 10:07 AM
If the stock market is doing so well, why do these public companies need tax relief? And what do you think is going to happen to home sales/prices when mortgage deductions are taken away?
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 28, 17 1:06 PM
Don't forget how we were supposed to repeal loopholes to balance out the decrease in the corporate tax rate...have we actually done that, or are we lowering the corporate tax rate for free?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 28, 17 1:13 PM
You mean "loopholes" like being able to deduct uncovered medical expenses, or interest on a student loan, or the cost of classroom supplies that teacher's provide out of their own pockets, or.....?
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 28, 17 6:39 PM
I meant in regard to corporations. For example: individuals will no longer be able to deduct State and Local Taxes but you know who still gets to? Corporations.
Nov 29, 17 6:36 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
One of the selling points for "reform" was that we'd simplify the tax codes for businesses by lowering the overall rate and doing away with special interest deductions that sometimes result in corporations paying effectively 0% tax.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 29, 17 6:36 AM
Corporations are owned by people, staffed by people and invested in by people. Corporations aren’t inherently bad. Perhaps now the focus will be on reducing the need for such high SALT. Punishing the people that approve of such irresponsible, corrupt NY progressives by voting for them is fine with me.
By even flow (700), East Hampton on Nov 29, 17 6:48 AM
I don't have a problem with businesses making money, but I have a problem with being lied to: there is no "reform" of the tax code for businesses, just a straight cut that leaves special interest deductions untouched.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 29, 17 8:40 AM
You know what makes me sad? The fact that the President makes me so happy that he says Merry Christmas. How lost have we become as a nation when we have to get excited to hear Merry Christmas... Obama and the Dems tried real hard to destroy our country. God bless Donald Trump and the good people that elected him.
By 27dan (2364), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 29, 17 12:10 AM
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"In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

~ Justice Hugo Black
By Mr. Z (10233), North Sea on Nov 29, 17 6:52 AM
Thank Christ that slime bucket Matt Lauer is gone from the airwaves. Have a Holly Jolly Christmas !!!!!!
By pw herman (1009), southampton on Nov 29, 17 7:57 AM
When keeping Christ in Christmas this year, don't forget: Jesus was a refugee.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 29, 17 8:43 AM
Why say Merry Christmas to non-christians. Why do you feel the need to force your religious beliefs on others. This country was founded on freedom of religion or not having any religion at all. You want to say Merry Christmas to a fellow christian, knock yourself out. It's nice you believe in God. The ten commandments make a nice foundation on how to live a civilized life and for society to do the same. However, God is Santa claus for adults. Life sucked so bad, religion was created to help ease ...more
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 29, 17 9:41 AM
Why didn't you have the same feelings for the sexual molester you voted for. His is even on video to confirm.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 29, 17 9:43 AM
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By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 29, 17 9:44 AM
A long time ago I had a Jewish boss. He wasn't the most devout Jew, but every December I'd get a kick of the newbies who said "Merry Xmas" to him and, with a great big smile he'd reply: "and a Happy Hanukkah to you!"

Most people would get embarrassed, a few confided in me that they didn't like it, and at least one quit shortly after, but they all received an important reminder about inclusion.

He wasn't offended, but felt compelled to reciprocate their incorrect holiday greeting ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 29, 17 9:48 AM
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You're living in a fantasy world if you believe we live in a Judeo Christian society
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 29, 17 11:01 AM
I'm not sure how your point is related, but the Abrahamic religions DO still account for a majority of the US population.

However, that's making zero distinction between Easter & Christmas Christians and those who regularly keep the Sabbath.

Nov 29, 17 11:10 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Perhaps we should start calling them "Easter, Christmas, and Election Day Christians"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 29, 17 11:10 AM
My post was directed to Mets. But while we're on the subject... As a Jewish person I can tell you that I'm not offended when someone assumes my religion. I'm offended at the asinine and insulting comments I receive after I tell a person that I'm Jewish and that I don't celebrate Christmas and Easter. Also, plenty of not so devout Christians never have to explain why they still celebrate Christmas, or why they may feel the need to defend Christianity. Interesting. Not everyone is "Christian at ...more
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Dec 1, 17 3:48 PM
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And remember Jesus was Jewish.......
By Sturgis (403), Southampton on Nov 29, 17 9:34 AM
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DOW 24,272!
MCCAIN 'YES' ON TAX CUTS

MAGA!
Nov 30, 17 5:44 PM appended by They call me
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By They call me (2369), southampton on Nov 30, 17 5:44 PM
Looks like Tillerson next to go. I only trusted him and Mattis. Guess he got tired of working with a huge moron.
By Mets fan (1154), Southampton on Nov 30, 17 7:58 PM
Hardly anyone showed up at the DC Christmas tree lighting tonight. Says it all, folks. And can't blame cold or bad weather. Will we be subjected to Tweets claiming otherwise?
Nov 30, 17 8:25 PM appended by June Bug
Event is usually standing room only, by the way.
By June Bug (2105), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 30, 17 8:25 PM
Scooter Libby.

What a surprise that the only thing Mueller can find after he and the other 17 "intelligence agencies" have spent millions of dollars and 10s of thousands of hours, is that someone falsely miss-remembered something.

Great work Robert, I'm sure Big Tall Jim is proud of you.
Dec 1, 17 10:19 AM appended by joe hampton
Flynn also lied to Trump and Pence. Trump is the only person in DC that's actually clean. That's why the DC Swamp Rats hate him so much. The real criminal is Mueller, he was Hillary's bagman in Uranium 1.
By joe hampton (3121), The Hamptons on Dec 1, 17 10:19 AM
"The only thing Mueller can find"?

In case you're not counting, that's four members of Trump's campaign charged and two that took plea deals.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3303), HAMPTON BAYS on Dec 1, 17 10:31 AM