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Feb 8, 2018 4:51 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Calls For Crackdown On Gang Violence; Police Chief Applauds Effort, Cites Evidence Of Activity

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin meets with President Trump and Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen  Nielsen to talk about ways to combat the MS-13 gang. COURTESY KATIE VINCENTZ
Feb 13, 2018 2:30 PM

After President Donald Trump singled out the El Salvadoran gang MS-13 on Long Island in his State of the Union speech on January 30, U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin last week sounded a clarion call, and Suffolk County District Attorney Timothy Sini stepped up measures to crack down on gang-related violence.

Last Tuesday, February 6, Mr. Zeldin met with the president, Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, and assorted members of Congress and law enforcement to discuss ways to combat MS-13.

“From the vicious machete attack of four young men in Central Islip, to the childhood best friends brutally murdered by MS-13 in Brentwood, our community has witnessed the indiscriminate brutality of MS-13 firsthand,” Mr. Zeldin said in a press release. “Every level of government has a role to play in combating the rise of MS-13, and we must crack down on the aspects of our nation’s broken immigration system and other policies that have allowed MS-13 and other gangs to take hold in our communities and stay there.”

The day after, the Suffolk County district attorney’s office announced a new gang initiative, a unit made up of attorneys and investigators that is devoted to prosecuting gang-related crime in Suffolk County. The unit will work with law enforcement authorities on local, state and federal levels, and will be housed under the Enhanced Prosecution Bureau.

The presence of MS-13 and other gangs is “substantial but not significant” in Southampton Town, according to Police Chief Steven Skrynecki. He said that despite the relatively low level of gang-related criminal activity here, the police force is keeping a close eye on it due to the more intense violence plaguing parts of Long Island to the west.

His point: There are, in fact, reasons to believe MS-13 and other gangs have members who are in Southampton Town. But their numbers are small, as is their relative impact so far.

But there are exceptions. Specifically, Chief Skrynecki said a prostitution ring in Hampton Bays that was busted in July was gang-related, with graffiti and other signs found in the home indicating an MS-13 affiliation. He also said there was a report to law enforcement earlier this week involving a member of the Bloods gang in Riverhead, though he declined to give further details.

He sees Mr. Simi’s countywide initiative as a step in the right direction. “It’s an excellent move on his part, to create a unit focused on gang members,” he said on Thursday, February 8, specifically complimenting the plan to bring together local, state and federal authorities.

However, the ramped-up rhetoric on gang violence has caused some in local Latino and immigrant communities to fear that the crackdown will be used as a cover to nab undocumented people who have no criminal associations.

Minerva Perez, executive director of Organizacion Latino-Americana, or OLA, an advocacy group for the Latino community on the East End, said she believes that focusing only on the policing and prosecution of gangs fails to address the root problems, and also stokes fear in the targeted community.

“No one wants gangs out of here more than Latinos,” she said last week. “But I don’t see any money going to prevention.

“You can’t get the information you need while stamping out communication with the Latino community,” she added. “If people feel that they can’t go to or trust law enforcement, that leaves a vacuum for gangs.”

She added that gang activity is a minimal issue on the East End, and worries that renewed efforts to extinguish it will be used to target innocent Latinos here. “This is not Brentwood—this is fear mongering and scapegoating,” she said.

Chief Skrynecki dismissed the idea that the push to eradicate gangs is anything more than that.

“The [district attorney’s] announcement is in no way directed toward undocumented people who are not involved in gang activity,” he said. “Documentation is not in play here.”

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The last gang unit worked out really well for us...
By Brandon Quinn (151), Hampton Bays on Feb 8, 18 10:16 PM
A whole lotta noise from self-serving narcissists. If you want to get rid of gangs then offer after school activities. Extend the school day a couple more hours, with additional tutoring and sports. Weekend sports programs (more than football, which is too expensive and requires too much group coordination). Job programs and/or trade skill training programs in the Summer for those who need that option, which is most kids. When the kids are busy, engaged, and supervised, there is no need to join ...more
By Funbeer (242), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 3:34 AM
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By Preliator Lives (276), Obamavillie on Feb 9, 18 8:11 AM
really? and who do u think is gonna pay for all of this?
By ghandi's view (3), hampton bays on Feb 9, 18 6:04 PM
it's not the job of taxpayers to foot the bill to keep "kids"from joining a gang, it's up to the parents!!! Perhaps the Latino community can exert some pressure on their kids to avoid los cholos!
By bigfresh (3609), north sea on Feb 9, 18 10:55 PM
Public education was one of the greatest American achievements. Next time you lament it's loss, thank a Republican. Prop 13 and Reagan have a lingering legacy...
By Mr. Z (10325), North Sea on Feb 12, 18 5:15 AM
The President appears to be dosing during the time Lee Zzzzzzz was making a profound statement.
By watchdog1 (477), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 9:07 AM
Great original idea. Should have been nipped at the Bud years ago when the other guy was Prez...
The gangs are in out schools, start there...
By knitter (1352), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 10:39 AM
Democrats want you to know that not all illegal latino immigrants are MS-13 or bad hombres, but all white male republicans are nazi racists. Thank you.
By even flow (718), East Hampton on Feb 9, 18 12:24 PM
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"all white male republicans are nazi racists" is a caricature of your own creation.

Literally no one has ever said that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 10:05 PM
Is that why Antifa photo shopped a WWII propaganda caricature of a Nazi soldier wearing a Trump hat?

If you want to speak "literally"...sure that's been said. Heck, you even inferred it by drawing the analogy to Arthur Jones, the self proclaimed Nazi running for the Illinois Republican primary for U.S. Congress. Even though the GOP denounced him, you attributed his personal leaning to the party in its entirety.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 10:40 AM
I did in fact impute Republicanism with the actions of its representatives (people who loudly and proudly proclaim themselves Republicans).

Individuals can, and often do reject those representatives, as in Alabama.

That doesn't mean Republicanism is off the hook for supporting (or failing to oppose, in Arthur Jones' case, since he's running unopposed in the primary) objectionable ideas.

As to antifa and the like...they openly reject the Democratic party in favor of Communism ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 1:54 PM
Republican leadership did in fact speak out against Arthur Jones. This has been previously provided to you. Your response that I'll paraphrase was, well, Republicans will be the ones voting for him.

As to Antifa (who you have vigorously defended in the past) rejecting the Democratic party, who do you think Antifa is voting for?... Following your logic on who is voting for Arthur Jones, that is.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 2:03 PM
I just perused my comment history and you might be as amused as I was to learn that comment was the first time I've used the word "antifa" in a comment on this site, lol.
Feb 14, 18 2:14 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Would this be an example of you telling me what I think? Lol
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 2:14 PM
Merely reminding you of your previous well documented positions whether using "Antifa" or not. So no, that's all you.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:43 AM
So if my positions toward Antifa are so well-documented, what are they? Please, tell me what I think.

P.S. The word count is up to 3 now!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 7:47 AM
Gang activity within Southampton Town is either “substantial” or “not significant”, can’t be both Chief.
By Summerfun46 (7), HAMPTON bays on Feb 9, 18 12:38 PM
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Sure, we'd all love to see Lee do something positive for the community. Am I taking that bet? Heck no!
By johnj (849), Westhampton on Feb 9, 18 1:58 PM
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Typical democrat. Under an article about Lee Zeldin meeting with the President of the United States, getting the President himself to single out Suffolk County out of all 3,142 counties in the US, facilitating the formation of a new gang task force among other things, you're ready to bet money that Lee Zeldin ISN'T going to do anything.

You hoping he would plan a series of federal drive-bys?
By SlimeAlive (908), Southampton on Feb 9, 18 5:26 PM
What did Zeldin have to do with the gang unit? That was the Suffolk County DA.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 10, 18 10:30 PM
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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.

Gives media more access than Obama...New York Times photographer: Trump gives us more access than Obama
By 27dan (2380), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 9, 18 10:23 PM
@ 27dan

Trump remains the most unpopular president in US history at an Approval/Disapproval percentage ratio of 40/55. (The average of all presidents at this time in their term is 62/26.) In comparison to the next worst scoring president, The Donald is a full 20 points lower.*

Instead of Rasmussen, why not ask "The American Thinker" for a poll. They'd probably have The Donald more popular than George Washington.

Be sure to pick up a copy of Trump's, "Women who complain ...more
By highhatsize (3645), East Quogue on Feb 11, 18 8:02 PM
If you need a good laugh, just read all the far right comments on any story on 27 East. You guys are hilarious. Trump's approval rate is 49 percent, really? That figure must be from the same loonies who claimed his inauguration was the most attended. You Trump lackeys are a hoot.
By country joe (28), sag harbor on Feb 10, 18 1:02 PM
Back under your rock CJ.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Feb 10, 18 9:37 PM
Hey country joke, who controls the Senate? the House? the Presidency? Good laugh, yea, that's right, I'm laughing all the way to the bank. I haven't been laughing this much since Reagan was president. Happy days are here again. You hillary people from Sag Harbor are pathetic. Get over it, you have SEVEN more years to cry and whine. Soon we will have the Supreme Court stacked with conservatives. I'm still laughing country joke. Laughing! Laughing! Laughing!
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 11, 18 12:43 AM
One if by land, two if by sea, President Bone Spur won't make year three.
By country joe (28), sag harbor on Feb 11, 18 4:20 PM
Dream on Country JOKE. I'm still laughing. Maxine Waters, Chuckie Boy Schumer, Botox Pelosi, and Frederica "the MAD HATTER Wilson are the face of the Democratic party. It's a circus side show. I laugh every time I see or think about those liberal clowns. Life is good and getting better every day for Republicans.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 11, 18 4:34 PM
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Good for the entire country! Anyone who actually works for a living complaining about the tax cuts?
By bigfresh (3609), north sea on Feb 11, 18 6:47 PM
TRUMP DECLARES WAR ON MS-13 GANG

MAGA
By 27dan (2380), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 12, 18 9:53 AM
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Does anyone find it odd that we didn't have MS-13 on LI until we got a bunch of illegal immigrants? Oh, but diversity is our strength. The left just keeps jamming this cultural diversity crap down our throats.
By Babyboo (242), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 18 6:27 PM
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And isn't it odd that we've had the Klan in the Hampton Bays environs for generations? And not an immigrant among them!
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 12, 18 6:46 PM
Are you seriously comparing a gang like MS-13 to the KKK? Are you seriously comparing what happened 50 years ago to what is supposed to be happening in 2018. I hope you are not a history teacher.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 18 7:16 PM
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White supremacists killed a woman and shot a gun into a crowd at Charlottesville. Historically they've killed more Americans than MS-13. Probably not more Salvadoreans, though. Latinos tend to bear the burden of gang violence on Long Island.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 7:39 PM
Not my point - there is no comparison about the history of the KKK and MS-13. Both are very bad but don't have the same origin. June Bug's point made no sense.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 18 7:59 PM
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I think it's mirroring the comment it replied to.

I wonder if Babyboo noticed that the valedictorians and Salutorians announced on 27 East are consistently latino/a.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 8:09 PM
Babyboo didn't say every immigrant from El Salvador is a MS-13 gang member, but there is the Irish mob and the Italian mob, etc and ya' know what...they are mostly Irish and Italian. Some of those...turned out well too
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 18 8:13 PM
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Babyboo is not really saying anything of value, she's just complaining about diversity, aka people different from her.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 12, 18 8:31 PM
"Historically they've killed more Americans than MS-13."

With 17 murders by MS-13 between January 2016 and April 2016 in Long Island alone, that's significantly debatable.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 9:03 AM
Maybe it is, but the KKK has existed much, much longer than MS-13, and was far larger at its peak (5-6 million in comparison with 30-50k).

I don't have any hard numbers on casualties, but if you're willing to put in the legwork I can probably be convinced otherwise.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:10 AM
But MS-13 is exponentially more violent and now has 30+ years under their belt. When cartels use them as muscle, that is telling. The vast vast vast membership in the KKK weren't violent. Just saying.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 9:34 AM
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I'll have to take your word on that, but I define "advocating for the violent removal of people or stripping of rights" as violence.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:39 AM
I define "killing" as death.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 10:15 AM
Ah, but you said the vast membership of the KKK weren't "violent" not "killers." That's what I was referencing.

For fun, let's pull some numbers from thin air: say 1% of the KKK peak membership were killers, that's 50,000-60,000.

So if 1% of the KKK were killers and 100% of the MS-13 were killers, their numbers are comparable.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 10:35 AM
The human person is comprised of an indissoluble relationship of body and spirit (soul). Both can be "killed". The body by force, the spirit by emotional abuse, threat, intimidation, etc. like that perpetrated by gang activity, e.g.
Feb 14, 18 10:41 AM appended by June Bug
To clarify: "gang activity" in the context of this discussion meant to include activity of KKK.
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 14, 18 10:41 AM
Ah, but you said "Historically they've killed more Americans than MS-13."

Where I come from, to kill someone, requires an element of violence, unless you kill them with kindness of course.

Don't waste your time with BS "for fun" numbers. It's completely irrelevant.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 10:45 AM
It certainly is irrelevant, and merely for fun, but I'd be willing to look at any hard numbers you turn up.

I merely made an inference based on comparative longevity and membership, but I can certainly be convinced otherwise.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 10:52 AM
17 murders by MS-13 between January 2016 and April 2016... 3 months... 20 as of this exchange.

30,000 MS-13 members globally / 400 active on Long Island
10,000 members in at least 40 states.

You do the math.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 11:34 AM
But wouldn't that be arguing against one of those straw men you talk so much about?

My statement was historically all-encompassing, not a snapshot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 11:37 AM
You're the one suggesting "For fun" and "pulling things from thin air."

Now it's a straw man?

Pull away my friend!
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 12:05 PM
So what math should I do with the numbers you gave me that would provide a historically all-encompassing picture?

Since it was your suggestion you surely had something in mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 12:25 PM
It doesn't matter, fuzzy math is fuzzy math.

Having fun yet?
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 1:56 PM
I'm here exclusively for fun and wouldn't reply if I didn't enjoy it :)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 2:02 PM
"For fun, let's pull some numbers from thin air"

Go for it!
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 2:06 PM
I already did, you didn't like them :(
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 2:12 PM
I said made up numbers were irrelevant. :)
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 7:41 AM
So then why are you asking me to do it again? You're cutting into my entertainment, now. Cheers!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 7:53 AM
Because your fun is of paramount priority and importance, of course.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:00 AM
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Only to me, I admit.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 15, 18 8:04 AM
I know, you've openly stated it on more than one occasion.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 15, 18 8:09 AM
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june bug: Name one KKK crime, member, cross burning, meeting place; any evidence at all, occurring in Hampton Bays by one of its citizens. THERE IS NO KKK IN HAMPTON BAYS. Hampton Bays residents are wonderful people that have sacrificed time and money to educate. feed, house and support Hispanics and others in need. You should apologized for slandering the good people of Hampton Bays.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 12, 18 9:47 PM
Perhaps you haven't been reading the papers or haven't found a recruiting leaflet in your mailbox.
The activity of the Klan in local environs has waxed and waned from at least the 1920's (including cross-burnings on the lawns of newly-arrived Catholics) with the latest stirrings centered in Hampton Bays with even a representative showing at the rally in Charlottesville.
Source: East Hampton Star
By Star Staff | June 22, 2017

A self-proclaimed Ku Klux Klan grand ...more
Feb 13, 18 11:58 AM appended by June Bug
KKK RALLY OVER CONFEDERATE STATUE STIRS DEEP-ROOTED TENSIONS IN CHARLOTTESVILLE by Lois Beckett The Guardian.com July 9, 2017 During their brief rally in the center of a Charlottesville park, Klan members, some in satin robes and hoods, shouted “white power!”, gave Nazi salutes and waved Confederate flags. “We’re the only organization in America who are fighting for white civil rights,” Douglas Barker, a Klan member in a wrinkled white satin gown, told reporters. He said he was from HAMPTON BAYS, New York. “I’m not a white supremacist, I’m a white separatist. I believe everybody should stick with their own race. “That’s God’s law,” he said, “We’re not supposed to mix races.” Asked which part of the Bible mandated such segregation, he said: “I don’t have it off the top of my head.” His wife, Amanda Barker, was one of at least nine women of about the roughly 55 Klan members present. She told reporters that if the battles over Confederate statues continued, their group might begin protesting other statues. “If they keep removing ours, we’re going to start retaliating,” she said.
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 13, 18 11:58 AM
Please June Bug stop the rhetoric Even the Southampton Police confirmed that it is basically one guy that everyone knows (look him up). It people like you that want to spread rumors and make this guy larger than life. The police can't do much since, like you, he is entitled to his first amendment rights. Maybe a couple of more haters around, but some of your posts are actually no better. They spread their hate filled literature trying to intimate people just like you spread your hate filled ...more
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 12:14 PM
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Don't like the truth? Go predictably straight to your default position and attack the messenger. That always changes the reality.
"Rhetoric"? Citing print material is not rhetoric. Check your dictionary. Said material was provided in answer to your challenge to me to provide evidence of a Klan presence in Hampton Bays.
That there are (at least) three members is "false information"? Tell the major newspapers, national and international. Tell the Southern Poverty Law Center :
Excerpt ...more
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 13, 18 6:29 PM
June Bug, this article is about MS-13, not the KKK - you tried to change the subject. It is the MS-13 that is attacking innocent young people right now. A chapter of the KKK by definition is ONE person that admits to being a member - we know there is ONE person - he walks around town with his robe. Can you name any others? Do you have pictures? You don't have any proof. Again, you are giving someone power that doesn't deserve it. I am not attacking you. You have 1st amendment rights and ...more
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 6:46 PM
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You are impervious to it, but the FACT is there is a KKK presence in HB.
No attempt to "change the subject". Merely to make a point that gangs and hate groups are not limited to immigrants. Also fact.
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 13, 18 7:40 PM
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Let's all resolve to keep hate out of our hearts & neighborhoods.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 8:28 PM
Juney B, HB asked you pointed questions which, shocker, you would not answer. To compare the KKK presence to that of MS-13 is ridiculous. Funny that you would use the word "citing". It is not really your strong suit.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 8:41 PM
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When you point a finger at someone 4 point back at yourself. Haters come in all walks of life - they don't have to be an organized group. However, in this instance, which you seem to want to ignore, is that the MS-13 is a gang whose origin is El Salvador. You can't deny that just like you can't deny that the origin of the Italian mob is from Sicily. A fact is a fact.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 9:04 PM
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MS-13 actually originated in LA.
Feb 13, 18 10:03 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
So I guess we CAN deny that because it's NOT a fact...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 13, 18 10:03 PM
You mean MS-13's founding members weren't refugees from Central America?
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 8:37 AM
What are you talking about? MS-13 started as a guerrilla group in El Salvator in 1980.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 8:46 AM
And the Colonists who established the USA were immigrants from Europe but this country was still created here, in America.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:01 AM
...and their origin was Europe.

"MS-13 is a gang whose origin is El Salvador."
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 9:07 AM
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So how far back does "origin" stretch?

Can we say the "origin" of MS-13 is Adam and Eve?

I guess that's technically true, if you buy into Genesis.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:12 AM
You are correct FBHBG - if Eve just didn't eat that apple...
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 9:14 AM
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@HB Proud: You will find photos of Douglas Barker and Gary Munker on the cbsnews.com site titled "The KKK today-Disturbing photos of the modern-day KuKlux Klan".
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 14, 18 10:47 AM
yes is the person we all know..let it go...let it go...let it go....
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 10:57 AM
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Well said HB Proud. June Bug, I subscribe to the SH Press and knew all about that pathetic loser. He "claims" to be a KKK member. If he claimed to be a democrat would you believe him? People like you use his name and give him publicity. That"s exactly what he wants. THERE IS NO KKK IN HAMPTON BAYS, just a pathetic loner, loser, hate monger looking for attention and people like you give it to him.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 5:19 PM
June Bug; I am still waiting for your source and evidence regarding "the third sealed indicment " held by Mueller that you stated charges Trump with money laundering, fraud, etc. Don't believe false Russian news.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 13, 18 9:12 PM
My source is an insider. Can't cite documentary evidence for obvious reasons.
As for believing "false Russian news"--not to worry--probably the least susceptible to it on this list.
By June Bug (2108), SOUTHAMPTON on Feb 14, 18 10:04 AM
I look forward to learning if (rather, that) this is true, though with today's technology an anonymous internet comment is not so anonymous and you may open your insider source to liability by merely repeating his words on a public forum.

Granted, anyone can say anything online. On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 10:09 AM
I suspect given June's fast and loose use of "facts" and drawing conclusions from that, she is referring to the speculation of the 4 sealed indictments to have purportedly been given case numbers in the DC court docket in between Papadopoulos' and Manafort's. This isn't something Mueller "holds" as she's stated, which tells me she's again... fast and loose.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 10:26 AM
Perhaps that's true, and I do hope June is simply drawing conclusions.

I'd hate to see anyone put a family member or friend in professional jeopardy to win an internet argument.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 11:03 AM
Truth to a liberal is like holy water to a vampire
By bigfresh (3609), north sea on Feb 13, 18 11:32 PM
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Remember three comments up when HB Proud lied about MS-13's origins?

But why attribute to malice what can easily be explained by...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 7:41 AM
What are you talking about? MS-13 is Mara Salvatrucha13 which originated as a guerrilla group in El Salvador in the 1980's.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 8:33 AM
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All MS-13 gang members are indeed latinos, there's just no way around it.
By pw herman (1043), southampton on Feb 14, 18 8:34 AM
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I bet that Central American heritage runs a lot stronger through those veins than USA.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 8:38 AM
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While its original members were indeed remnants of the civil war in El Salvador, MS-13 never existed in El Salvador before LA.

You may be conflating two things: the "Maras" which is the slang name for all street gangs in El Salvador, and the "Salvatruchas" which were the peasant groups trained as guerilla fighters.

The first time people united under the MS-13 monicker was in 80's Los Angeles.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 8:55 AM
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By pw herman (1043), southampton on Feb 14, 18 9:00 AM
So you are basically referring to the name (MS-13) like 1/2 of the vocal performers that change their name every day. There tactics are the same from the guerrilla group from the 1980's.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 9:03 AM
Yes, I'm referring specifically to the (violent, wicked, repugnant) gang that calls itself MS-13, because if we follow its origins in the broadest sense we'll wind up at Adam and Eve.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:06 AM
FBHB: HB Proud always states the truth. I attribute your accusation against him to your profound ignorance . According to FBI reports, MS-13 is the most violent street gang in the United States.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 8:58 AM
I've no doubt he thinks he has the truth, but facts don't care what you think, and the birthplace of MS-13 is a hard fact.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:03 AM
FBHBG, I agree that the reports that the organized MS-13 gang has gained recognition and power out of LA, but their roots are from El Salvador. It is no different than the Italian mob from Sicily. The money from illegal activities in the U.S. fueled their power.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 9:11 AM
You're moving the goal post Fore for reasons I'll avoid speculation on.

"MS-13 is a gang whose origin is El Salvador."

It's very straight forward. Created in LA. Origin is El Salvador.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 9:16 AM
While I understand that the American Mob's original members were Italian immigrants, some of whom had previously been involved in Italian organized crime, I've never read that their activities in the US fueled their Italian counterparts, and actually understood that they were an independent offshoot of the Sicilian crime families.

There's also a long written history of the Italian mob prior to the establishment of the American mob. That's just not true of MS-13.
Feb 14, 18 9:19 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Sure, Po, but when they left El Salvador, MS-13 was just a twinkle in its parents' eyes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:19 AM
Yeah, those origins sure had some twinkle...
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 9:29 AM
Ok - it looks like we are not getting anywhere and trying to split atomic matter. Why don't we just agree that this is a really dangerous gang on Long Island and it needs to be eradicated.
By HB Proud (870), Hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 9:24 AM
Agreed. The only part I took issue with was the characterization of that danger as being Salvadorean in origin.

MS-13 started among newly arrived Salvadorean immigrants as a means of protection from other LA gangs (see: Mexican and Black) and we exported that particular gang to El Salvador when we deported them.

There, they combined the tenets of LA gang life with the ruthless guerrilla tactics and amoral approach of civil war to become the pain in the *** we have to deal with ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 9:36 AM
Issue solved. Take it up with Newsday Fore.

MS-13 on Long Island: What we know about the gang
COMPILED BY NEWSDAY STAFF. UPDATED: July 18, 2017

"Where does the gang originate?

MS-13’s home base is in El Salvador."
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 11:27 AM
"Origin" is not equal to "home base"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 11:41 AM
I guess it depends on the origin of "origin."

By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 14, 18 12:16 PM
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BRAVO SIERRA foreign! The illegals that were deported were MEMBERS OF MS 13, don't put the blame on the USA, these criminals bear sole responsibility.
By bigfresh (3609), north sea on Feb 14, 18 12:42 PM
I'm not saying the US intentionally exported LA gang culture to El Salvador, but the establishment of LA gang culture in El Salvador is a byproduct of the deportation of MS-13 gang members.

The criminals indeed bear all responsibility for criminal acts.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 1:13 PM
Forget the origin debate. Let's debate how and why they were let into the U.S. Which administration let them in? I remember something about an earthquake in El Salvador. They came here on hardship visas? Time to throw them out.
By P. Revere (81), hampton Bays on Feb 14, 18 12:27 PM
Temporary Protected Status was granted to people from El Salvador in March 9, 2001 based on the earthquakes. This status is already set to expire in November 2019.

MS-13 was formed in 1980's Los Angeles by immigrants seeking refuge from the state-sponsored violence and civil war at home.

If any non-American gang members are caught they should be deported, but many of the current members are US citizens who should be handled by the American justice system.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 12:40 PM
MS-13 = IRAN-CONTRA = REAGAN-BUSH-REPUBLICAN PARTY = ZELDIN Read and follow the trail.
By SpeedRacer (101), Southampton on Feb 14, 18 12:28 PM
Our country has been playing king-maker in Latin America and the rest of the world as long as it's been able to. We shouldn't shy away from our imperialist history, as it turned this country into the super power it is today, but we should do better.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 14, 18 12:34 PM
You care to give one example?
By even flow (718), East Hampton on Feb 19, 18 11:39 AM
Do I really have to? "American Imperialism in Latin America" probably has its own wiki page.

I'll start with the Monroe Doctrine/Big Brother Policy in general and the support for Panamanian independence in exchange for control over the Panama Canal specifically.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 21, 18 10:19 AM
I saw a program on chaneel 13 about how teens were rounded up on Long Island and sent to prison across th country , put in solitary confinement with no bail posted and no trial until as long as six onths after arrest. Our constitutional laws are threatened as these young people have to prove innocence rather than government proving guilt. Many there was no just cause for arrest, This is truly frightening.
By imaginethat (3), East Hampton on Feb 15, 18 9:52 PM
We arrest and convict foreign criminals all the time. Including Russians.

US District Attorney Southern DIstrict:
" In the summer of 2014, BURYAKOV met multiple times with a confidential source working for the FBI (“CS-1”) and an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-2”). Both CS-1 and UCE-2 purported to be working on a casino development project in Russia...in the United States as a private citizen, posing as an employee in the Manhattan office of a Russian bank, ...more
By dfree (540), hampton bays on Feb 20, 18 4:25 PM
Googling is fun!

Sep 1 (Reuters) - Russia's state-owned VEB bank approved a 29.2 billion rouble ($917.3 million) subordinated loan to Alfa Bank, the country's biggest privately owned lender, Alfa Bank said in a press release on Tuesday.

Alex Van Der Zwaan
6 hours ago · Van der Zwaan's father-in -law is Russian oligarch German Khan, a founder of Alfa Group (which owns Alfa Bank), who has sued BuzzFeed over publication of the Steele Dossier ...
By dfree (540), hampton bays on Feb 20, 18 4:59 PM
HMM some Democrat / Russian collusion perhaps?
By bigfresh (3609), north sea on Feb 22, 18 3:24 AM
Zeldin Introduces Bill to Strip Immigrant Gang Members’ Citizenship
Feb 22, 18 9:15 AM appended by loading...
Zeldin said, “United States naturalization is a privilege, not a right, and those who have had this privilege bestowed upon them must respect and uphold the laws of our land.”
By loading... (547), quiogue on Feb 22, 18 9:15 AM
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To answer the question that immediately jumped to my mind: he's talking about naturalized citizens, not people born U.S. citizens.

Currently, immigration law only allows revocation of naturalization when a person makes material misrepresentations on their application.

One of the current questions asked to determine moral character during naturalization is criminal history. Zeldin's proposal "would revoke citizenship for anyone deemed to have been involved in gang activities within ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 22, 18 9:25 AM
In February, United States Center for Immigration Services (USCIS) Director Lee Francis Cissna explained to President Donald Trump how current immigration laws prevent the agency from deporting foreign-born MS-13 gang members.

Cissna explained to President Trump:

…There are no grounds in the law right now that permit us to deport a gang member merely because he’s a gang member. We have to wait until they’ve actually killed somebody or harmed an American. ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on Feb 22, 18 10:14 AM
So gang membership enters consideration, but since membership is not a crime in itself it is not immediately disqualifying? Sounds fair to me.

A proposed change to make it immediately disqualifying, even after naturalization, also sounds fair to me if there is due process for that determination.

My problem is that giving the government "unreviewable discretion" to label anyone a gang member sounds like a terrible idea, and probably fails constitutional muster.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 22, 18 10:21 AM
Tattoos might be a good place to start to determine if someone is in MS-13, then look at who they're hanging out with. I don't hang out with gang members. I'm not in a gang. You are the company you keep.
By Po Boy (2162), Water Mill on Feb 23, 18 9:05 PM
Are you in favor of giving the government "unreviewable discretion" to label anyone a gangmember? I thought you were opposed to slippery slopes?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3527), HAMPTON BAYS on Feb 23, 18 9:18 PM
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