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Jul 24, 2018 4:24 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Gershon's Comparison Of Trump's Rise To Hitler's Stokes Political Flames In 1st District Race

Perry Gershon
Jul 24, 2018 5:00 PM

The race for the 1st Congressional District between U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin and Democratic challenger Perry Gershon is heating up fast, with comments Mr. Gershon has made during his campaign—in which he compared President Donald Trump’s political rise to the rise of Adolf Hitler—making their way into the spotlight.

Mr. Gershon has spoken publicly several times at various community forums about the moment that he says “inspired” him to become more politically active.

Two years ago, he said, he visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C., with his son, and the experience had a profound effect on him. He shared that story with people in attendance at several political forums this year, including one in East Quogue.

In a February forum in East Marion, Mr. Gershon said he was “struck by the parallels between the rise of Donald Trump today and the rise of Hitler back then,” and that he wanted to “make sure this doesn’t happen in America,” according to an article published this week on the national political website The Hill.

On Tuesday, asked to expand on those comments in a telephone interview, Mr. Gershon said, “I saw an exhibit on the rise of authoritarianism in Germany, and it spooked me, because, all of a sudden, I realized something like this could happen in America.”

Mr. Gershon expressed a strong desire to focus less on those comments and more on the issues he was campaigning on—specifically health care coverage for people with pre-existing conditions and gun control, among others—and accused Mr. Zeldin and his campaign of seizing on those comments as a way to distract from the issues. He has accused Mr. Zeldin and other Republican lawmakers of being “enablers” of President Trump.

For his part, Mr. Zeldin spoke out strongly in an interview earlier this week against his opponent’s comments, calling them “disgusting.”

“Nothing can be compared to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis other than Adolf Hitler and the Nazis,” the congressman said on Monday. “It’s totally insane that you’d have his lack of compassion and sympathy for the circumstances leading up to and surrounding an event that led to the murder of millions of Jews and other people.”

The invocation of Hitler’s name is often considered political napalm, regardless of the context. The fact that both Mr. Zeldin and Mr. Gershon are Jewish adds an extra layer of intrigue to the conversation, something neither Mr. Gershon nor Mr. Zeldin denied, but they both were careful not to place too much emphasis on it either.

“I’m probably sensitive to making sure that what happened never gets repeated, because I’m Jewish and because I spent a lot of time studying it,” Mr. Gershon said.

Mr. Zeldin said he thinks the response to his opponent’s statements should transcend religious or ethnic backgrounds. “My only perspective is as a Jewish person,” he said. “I can’t pretend to speak for anyone else other than myself, but I would imagine that many people out there, regardless of their religion, would find it terrible and appalling to make a comparison like that.”

Mr. Gershon declined to comment on whether or not he thought he’d suffer any political backlash for the comments. When asked for specific examples of what led him to make the comparison, Mr. Gershon cited several examples he said he witnessed both during President Trump’s campaign—which is when Mr. Gershon visited the Holocaust Museum—and since he took office.

“The denunciation of the press, the demonization of immigrants, the denial of science and scientific fact, and a general disregard for the truth,” he said. “And, post-election, I’d cite the fact that he’s putting relationships with authoritarian rulers like [Russia’s Vladimir] Putin and [North Korea’s] Kim Jong-un ahead of relationships with our allies.”

Mr. Gershon stressed that the trip to the Holocaust Museum was not what inspired him to run against Mr. Zeldin, but was the moment he decided to become more politically engaged, and he said his comments about the trip simply reflected his “sincere emotional state” after making the visit. The choice to run against Mr. Zeldin, which came later, “had to do with issues that affected people,” he said.

Mr. Gershon is not the first politician to invoke Hitler’s name, in some way or another, in the political landscape. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in early 2015 criticized Mr. Zeldin for failing to denounce a tweet by Republican Texas U.S. Representative Randy Weber comparing President Barack Obama unfavorably to Hitler because he did not travel to Paris to attend an anti-terrorism march.

When asked about that on Monday, Mr. Zeldin said he did not immediately recall the tweet and the discussion around it, but said his stance on Hitler comparisons to American presidents isn’t guided by party affiliations, and had he been asked to respond to that, his answer would have been simple.

“You can’t compare any president in the history of our country or their supporters and voters to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis,” he said.

When asked if he thought Mr. Gershon’s statements were sincere or an attempt to be provocative and draw attention to his campaign, Congressman Zeldin said he takes Mr. Gershon at his word.

“I get the impression he believes what he’s saying, and that’s scary stuff,” he said. “It would still be bad but would be different if he was saying it and didn’t believe it and was trying to be provocative, and then tried to walk back from [the statements] afterward. But he seems to be tripling down on it and turning it into a fundraising email without an apology.”

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Very scary statements from a newbie, WOW... Sounds like maxine or nancy, something in the democratic water???
By knitter (1537), Southampton on Jul 24, 18 5:43 PM
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Gershon should be ashamed considering his connection to the fraudulent, anti Zionist group JStreet. Disgusting !!!!!

Hey Perry , Trump is Hitler ? Well then you're Soros.....
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 24, 18 5:48 PM
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The fact that you're willing to concede Trump is to Hitler as Gershon is to Soros is laudable. Hitler the genocidal maniac was responsible for the death of 6 million Jews. Soros; well you don't like his politics. Geez.
By Arnold Timer (308), Sag Harbor on Jul 24, 18 7:01 PM
Create a crisis, and set yourself up as it's savior.

Via the "Fiscal Times":

Trump to Provide $12 Billion in Aid to Farmers. Critics Cry ‘Welfare!’

“This is becoming more and more like a Soviet-type of economy here: Commissars deciding who’s going to be granted waivers, commissars in the administration figuring out how they’re going to sprinkle around benefits,” said Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI).

“Our farmers have been in nonstop, ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 24, 18 7:05 PM
Like medicaid for farmers...
By V.Tomanoku (677), southampton on Jul 24, 18 8:15 PM
No Arnold, it's not just his "politics" so ,o need for the "geez" .
Jul 25, 18 8:38 AM appended by Biba
*no need
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 8:38 AM
Comparisons to Hitler are inaccurate, distasteful and muddy the memory of the holocaust. Gershon lost cred with this statement.

Tuck Frump!
By Aeshtron (222), Southampton on Jul 24, 18 6:19 PM
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Let's see what Trump looks like if he gets a second term. Right now just compare him to Hitler in the fall of 1937 and you might agree he looks a lot like a nationalist dictator just getting up to speed.
By Arnold Timer (308), Sag Harbor on Jul 24, 18 7:05 PM
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True and accurate. Yes or no.

“The denunciation of the press, the demonization of immigrants, the denial of science and scientific fact, and a general disregard for the truth,” he said. “And, post-election, I’d cite the fact that he’s putting relationships with authoritarian rulers like [Russia’s Vladimir] Putin and [North Korea’s] Kim Jong-un ahead of relationships with our allies.”

By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 24, 18 6:49 PM
What about that thief, Warren Booth?
By Babyboo (248), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 18 6:57 PM
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If it wasn't so serious, Neo-Nazi Lee Zeldin's remarks would make great comedy. I suggest any person who doesn't believe that Trump and Zeldin are following the Nazi playbook, read the 1935 Sinclair Lewis novel "It Can't Happen Here"... because it can.

Vote on November 6, Perry Gershon for Congress

Make America, America Again
By SpeedRacer (125), Southampton on Jul 24, 18 7:52 PM
Hahahaha
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 8:52 AM
This is all in poor taste.
By Draggerman (840), Southampton on Jul 24, 18 9:20 PM
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Using comparisons to Hitler and Nazism to score political points, rather than strengthening the speaker's arguments minimizes the atrocities committed by Hitler and furthers degrades our political discourse.
Progressive radicals like Gershon merely preach to the choir of Trump deranged Democrats without realizing they are alienating middle of the road level-headed voters. Like Hillary veering leftward in response to Bernie Sanders' challenge to her in the primaries, this new breed of socialist ...more
By HB90 (154), southampton on Jul 24, 18 9:25 PM
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Seems Republicans will do anything for "points". CRTV, "unfiltered and uncensored", lol.

"CRTV, The Conservative Review, posted a video with manipulated footage of Ocasio-Cortez to make it look as if the Democratic candidate was responding incorrectly to interview questions.

CRTV is a news media organization founded and headed by conservative pundit, Mark Levin."
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 25, 18 4:00 AM
what a desperate little man
By Erin 27 E (1124), hampton bays on Jul 24, 18 9:58 PM
I know, Zeldin is incredibly desperate. He tries to deflect and distract instead of actually discussing real issues that matter to constituents. Meanwhile he hosts fundraisers featuring known criminals and racists like Sebastian Gorka and Steve Bannon. What a hypocrite. Perry Gershon will make an amazing congressman for CD1!
By hamptonsfinds (7), sag harbor on Jul 25, 18 12:29 PM
Speaking of desperate....
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 8:39 PM
Yes, like Bezos, Buffet, Soros, and Gershon, you leftists just can't get enough of white male millionaires and billionaires.
By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Aug 2, 18 9:24 AM
Moron, what’s your point?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 9:33 AM
Yes, trump is desperate. Just heard his recording with his ex lawyer. That trump is a good man. Next up, it’s all fake.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 24, 18 10:43 PM
Just another hysterical ultra liberal (sigh . . .)
By CaptainSig (691), Dutch Harbor on Jul 25, 18 6:04 AM
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Trumps not a liberal sig. was my comment hysterical? Hysterically funny? Explain . Good job on the northwestern. Not so good on lame comments.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 6:17 AM
was commenting on the article-not your comment. Hysterical as in out of control, not funny haha. Perry is the liberal. I however am a deplorable. Sheeesh!! Where are the dammmmmm craaaaabs!!!
By CaptainSig (691), Dutch Harbor on Jul 26, 18 7:01 AM
Trump was too mean to North Korea!?
Trump was too nice to Russia!?
Trump was too mean to Iran!?

Lol
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 6:37 AM
Gershon is just another UNHINGED Manhattan limousine liberal, the comparison of Trump to Hitler is insane , no wonder some of the leftists here seem to agree.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 25, 18 6:38 AM
The only persons who are "UNHINGED" are the fools who believe the protectionist and liar in chief.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 25, 18 10:14 PM
Pathetic liberals, keep screaming that today is the worst day in the history of the world everyday...by 2020 everyone will be so numb to your craziness Trump will win in a landslide.
By Preliator Lives (324), Obamavillie on Jul 25, 18 6:48 AM
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Add cohens tapes to

-the billy bush tapes
- the sally Yates testimony
- the comey testimony
-the maddow tax return reveal
- the comey testimony
-the Wolfe book
- the comey book
- manafort case

Field of broken dem dreams
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 7:04 AM
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You forgot Stormy Daniels, lol and those partisan weasels the Khans
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 25, 18 8:19 AM
These are comments made by Perry's supporters on various internet sites:

"Both Trump and Hitler are/were populist nationalist type leaders. The difference is that Hitler was a war hero and pretty intelligent. While Trump isn’t. Both sets of their supporters are frightened worms who are destined to destroy their countries with their bad decisions."

"Obama was a decent family man who was respected around the world. While Trump is a scumbag used as a toilet by Putin. Subtle ...more
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 8:00 AM
GOV. CUOMO PARDONS DOZENS OF SEXUAL PREDATORS
Including offender known as the ‘Voodoo Rapist’

Liberalism is a disease. In there quest for votes these people are not only a danger to themselves but to everyone else. Stay armed & well stocked with ammo. We are at war with a sick, evil, demented ideology.
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 25, 18 8:24 AM
Thanks for your violent rhetoric.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 18 9:41 AM
Your allusions to violence towards those you disagree with is pathetic!
By Aeshtron (222), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 1:06 PM
If Gershon thinks Naziism could happen here, all the more reason for us to KEEP OUR GUNS!!!! You can't have it both ways. GO ZELDIN, MAGA!
By Taz (510), East Quogue on Jul 25, 18 10:10 AM
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BTW, wasn't Hitler a SOCIALIST??????
By Taz (510), East Quogue on Jul 25, 18 10:23 AM
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Trump sure appears to be a socialist with his plan to pay off farmers with tax payer funded hush money/ welfare to make up for the harm he caused by his trade policies.
By hamptonsfinds (7), sag harbor on Jul 25, 18 12:33 PM
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If Trump is a socialist, then what are the current leaders of the Democrat party? R U Kidding?????
By Taz (510), East Quogue on Jul 25, 18 12:38 PM
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And the Democrat Party is in touch with the majority of Americans , riiiight
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 25, 18 11:45 AM
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A reminder that the Democratic candidate for president won more votes than the Republican one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 18 11:47 AM
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President Trump campaigned in order to win electoral college votes, that's the way the system is set up!!!! Get over it , he is our president , thank God.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 25, 18 8:39 PM
Uh, no.

Russian interlopers interfered with the election, in which victory by Trump did not exceed 80k votes.

Agents of an adversarial government worked fervently to make sure Trump was elected. Just like Mark McGwire's home run record, there will forever be and asterisk in the history books. Get over it.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 25, 18 10:06 PM
I'm not saying he didn't win, just correcting your comment on who is "in touch with the majority of Americans"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 25, 18 10:12 PM
How soon we forget that there were "good people" in the KKK. The moron in chief is such a sad joke, it's scary.
By hojo (7), Speonk on Jul 25, 18 12:12 PM
Racists are fine people.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 12:44 PM
Historically Democratic too.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 12:47 PM
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Good one, go read your history book. Deflect. Does Dixiecrat mean anything to you? Blood and soil?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 12:50 PM
The switch of parties has been debunked. If you're suggesting the KKK is typical of the mainstream GOP, then, we'll need to talk Black Panthers and Antifa.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 5:35 PM
Give a citation. The Dixiecrats switched party’s. Is that debunked? The kkk were members of the majority holding down the minority. Black panthers were an outcome of groups like the kkk holding down the minority. Antifa stand up to racists, they are a defensive group, never offensive. Racists march , antifa show up..
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 5:48 PM
Let me play it one step forward. I'll provide any one of countless sources as citation, and you'll say it's not a legitimate citation. Call me Kreskin. It's all readily available with a simple search. Like most issues, it can be complex, but to say "the parties switched" is at best extremely misleading since looking at numbers of seats vs. the complexity of the issues does not do justice to the policy behind the issues.

I have news for you. Hate is hate. It doesn't matter if it's the ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 8:37 PM
It’s complex, the Dixiecrats fled the Democratic Party, now you have the modern Republican Party. The party’s realigned. I know what hate is, I’m slightly aware. Counter protesting the kkk or a neo nazi group can be construed as a protest against free speech but if the free speech is hate, protest you must. You can parse it all you want. You want hateful rhetoric, you’ll get counter protests.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 5:33 AM
Did you just defend ANTIFA Fred?
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 26, 18 6:30 AM
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I defended counter protesters.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 6:55 AM
Um Fred, Antifa is no better than the KKK. They just package the hate differently.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 9:30 AM
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Yup, rather than hate and hurt people for the color of their skin, they do it on the basis of their ideas.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 9:36 AM
Their First Amendment ideas.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 9:47 AM
No, their racist ideas which have first amendment protection.

Protection from whom, you ask? "Congress shall make no law..."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 9:54 AM
I’m Po Boy, the kkk held down black people for many yrs with the use of violence. Murder, lynching and intimidation. It was approved with a wink and a nod. They killed women, children and men to carry out their distorted view of society. When they march now with neo nazis , chances are antifa will be there as a counter. Can you show in history where antifa held down people for yrs thru violence? Antifa is an outgrowth from the violence of the kkk. I don’t condone violence, but when torch ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:12 AM
Supposed to be um Po Boy
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:13 AM
If you're asking me to correlate and/or rationalize a long history of hate and violence with that of the modern phenomenon of hate and violence, you've got the wrong boy. But militant progressives have been in existence for a very VERY long time and progressive militancy has evolved over time coming to prominence when they disagree with their view of government and capitalism. It's no accident Antifa has left it's mark at countless other events not involving the KKK. Antifa believes that political ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 2:21 PM
You don’t want to because you can’t. One has a history 100 + yrs, the other is recent and a reply to racist Neo-Nazis.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 2:41 PM
Antifa believes that political violence is justifiable against fascists and neo-Nazis whereas neo-Nazis believe that political violence is justifiable against anyone to advance the white ethnostate.
Jul 27, 18 3:01 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Where did I pigeonhole them to just the kkk?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 3:01 PM
You sell Antifa short by pigeon holing them to just the KKK. Their hatred goes well beyond and bigotry is not graded on a curve.

No Fred, you seemed to have missed the mention of the (long) history of militant progressives. A direct correlation doesn't exist, but that doesn't make them any less hateful.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 6:02 PM
Make China Great Again.... Photos showing Trump 2020 campaign signs being Zeldin likely uses the same factory as his master. Heel Lee.. Heel.
By harbor (376), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 2:36 PM
Make China Great Again.... Photos showing Trump 2020 campaign signs being made in Chinese factory hit the internet. Zeldin likely uses the same factory as his master. Heel Lee.. Heel!
By harbor (376), East Hampton on Jul 25, 18 2:38 PM
MLK Was a Republican
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 25, 18 2:52 PM
It's so easy to spout nonsense based on memes and billboards.

In chapter 23 of Martin Luther Kings autobiography he wrote the following about the 1964 Republican National Convention: "The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right."

In 1958 Martin Luther King said " I don't think the Republican Party is a party full ...more
By Aeshtron (222), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 3:31 PM
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Well, the 1964 convention was contentious to say the least. But, the Republican Platform contained the following. What MLK was speaking to seems to be directed at Goldwater specifically. "Historically in 1964, the Republican establishment, divided and ineffective, fought Goldwater up to acceptance speech*."

—full implementation and faithful execution of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and all other civil rights statutes, to assure equal rights and opportunities guaranteed by the Constitution ...more
Jul 25, 18 5:23 PM appended by Po Boy
And honestly, there is so much contrary opinion on Goldwater give his support of the civil rights efforts in the late 1950's his protest of civil rights is debatable.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 5:23 PM
If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black. Socialist windbag...
By icecreamman (415), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 3:56 PM
Explain yourself icecreaman.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 4:00 PM
Thanks Aeshtron for clarifying that.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 3:58 PM
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If that’s not the pot calling the kettle black. Socialist windbag..
By icecreamman (415), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 4:34 PM
No, explain yourself.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 25, 18 4:42 PM
FACEBOOK DEATH SPIRAL
STOCK PLUNGES 24%


ZUCKERBERG LOSES $16,800,000,000 IN MINUTES!
USERS VANISH...
EXECS BITCH OVER CONTENT, CENSORSHIP, BLOCKING...
'You're allowed to say something untrue if you're authentic person'...
Jul 25, 18 10:33 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Don't try and censor the voice of the people little boy! JUSTICE HAS BEEN SERVED AND FOR NOW THE FIRST AMENDMENT STANDS !
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Jul 25, 18 10:33 PM
As usual, you found a way to engage in a massive fail.

When and if you allow 50 million profiles to be mined for their data, there are consequences. Also, having a level of security that let's say "blows donkeys" will tend to alienate users and lose advertisers as well. Fake news doesn't help much either. Fools engage deflection...
Jul 25, 18 10:52 PM appended by Mr. Z
Perhaps you should pick some shares up on the cheap. Only 175 a pop for Class C common shares...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 25, 18 10:52 PM
People on Facebook are pretty much aware that they are trying to control free speach and they have had enough! Every time FB bans, limits, or otherwise tries to control the dialog, they just anger the public and thereby add viewers to the sites they are trying to censor. I would just let them carry on with what they are doing. Today's FB stock numbers tell the real story.

The very objective of Amazon, FB, Netflix, Google and other digital media is to own you.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 25, 18 11:12 PM
Facebook admits it blocked Florida State Rep. Matt Caldwell’s (R-79) pro-Second Amendment ad.
On Tuesday the Tampa Bay Times reported that Caldwell’s ad had been blocked , which included blocking news that the NRA had endorsed Caldwell

How much lower can Zuckerberg go? Censorship on decent Conservative content while he allows Liberal garbage. He is a typical Marxist hypocrite.
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:02 AM
If I own a newspaper do I have to accept any and all ads?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 7:05 AM
It’s about time he’s humiliated. Zucket thought he could do whatever he wanted to quash free speech and was invincible. I’ve never had a Facebook account and never will. I value my privacy and prefer to speak freely.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 25, 18 11:19 PM
I think it is clear that the USA is now in an undeclared civil war with Information being a major battlefront. The major platforms (Youtube, Facebook, Twitter) are not impartial/ they have chosen a side and just not declared it openly). All Truth telling media, including Fox , Brieitbart, Infowars and others who have experienced censorship in any form need to unite to build a new and independent independent platform because one day soon, the current major platforms are going to shut you down completely. ...more
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 26, 18 6:56 AM
Infowars is a joke, keep believing.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:11 AM
Easy for the good guys to win while the bad guys are divided over embracing socialism and calling the President Hitler.
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:18 AM
Alex Jones is a good guy? That’s rich
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:30 AM
I have difficult news to share. My comment had nothing to do with whatever tortured dialogue is happening in your head.

This is politics. At some point, you're going to need to find a charismatic candidate with attractive, original ideas. You're on day 575 of a temper tantrum that has everyone desensitized to the B.S. Alex Jones is a fringe nutcase. Both parties have 'em. Your treading water day in and day out here is edgy but it's not putting anyone in the WH. Happy Thursday!
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:42 AM
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Isn't Infowars the place that regularly gets blasted for pushing conspiracy theories and fake news?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 8:09 AM
But it also has accurate and legitimate news, too. The catch is knowing the difference, no different than any other news source.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 9:29 AM
I'm glad you disagree with Dan's characterization of Infowars as "Truth telling media" and his exclusion of other major platforms under that same moniker.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 9:40 AM
You just mischaracterized what I wrote.

They are truth telling media. You just have to know where the truth is.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 9:45 AM
As you said, they are "no different" and no more deserving of the "Truth telling media" moniker than "any other news source"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 10:11 AM
Right...no different than, say, CNN.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 2:09 PM
You hear that Dan? CNN and Infowars are the same.

Now quit peddling your divisive conspiracy theories about "an undeclared civil war."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 2:19 PM
Dan, is 100% correct in his opinion of there being "an undeclared civil war" given the level on censorship. The political leanings and resulting censorship of CNN vs that of Infowars is the issue, not whether any one snippet of information is accurate (the same).
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 2:28 PM
Neither CNN nor Infowars are required to protect speech by the constitution.

At least we agree that they're both equally deserving of being listed under "truth telling media."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 2:57 PM
Constitutionality up until your post wasn't a question. Youtube, Facebook, Twitter not being partial is the topic.

Any news organization such as CNN that claims to be legitimate and impartial yet severely slants it's coverage under the umbrella of impartiality is far more dangerous than that of a tabloid-like news organization. At least with that, you read it with a critical mind, unlike CNN where it's soaked up like gospel which makes Infowars far more "truth telling."

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 5:57 PM
Infowars is a conspiracy site, made up bs. If it was harmless , I’d agree. But thinking of pizza gate and the shameful treatment sandy hooks parents got, it’s not some innocent “news”site.its a conspiracy site, very truth telling, very.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 6:21 PM
Sorry, I thought this was the conversation where you said the people chanting "blood and soil" in Charlottesville were just passionate about the first amendment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 4:03 AM
I've made no mention or correlation to blood and soil nor the level of passion toward the first amendment. ThereFORE, Fore thought wrong.

Fred, while Infowars has contained conspiracy theory and perhaps crossed a line (name one news source that hasn't), it also contains critical and factual news. One can only wonder if your Infowars theory was to hold true, how that is any different than labeling the President treasonous and attempted murder occurs?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 27, 18 12:17 PM
Po Boy, spare me the hand wringing about infowars. It’s not a news site. As I said tell it to the parents of sandy hook kids. I hope they bankrupt the loudmouth blow hard Alex Jones. Comparing infowars to a news site is just flat out wrong.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 12:24 PM
When I said Antifa was opposed to the neo-nazis based on their racist ideas, didn't you reframe it as "their first amendment ideas"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 12:29 PM
Here's an idea Fore. Since you seem to have questions as to what I wrote, how about you repost it here, and we'll go from there.
Jul 27, 18 8:14 PM appended by Po Boy
Sure Infowars is news Fred, and tons of it! I've asked but no response was given, show me one news site that hasn't crossed a line or been sued. Additionally, the suit is PENDING, it might even be thrown out. Not to mention, the statements in question were made on Jones RADIO SHOW, not originally on the website.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 27, 18 8:14 PM
I see no need; you know what you wrote, and I have no questions about it, just reminding you.
Jul 27, 18 8:34 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Though, for the record, "their first amendment ideas" is a direct quote.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 8:34 PM
LOL...coward! Pin you down, and you run for the hills.
Jul 29, 18 1:12 PM appended by Po Boy
If "their first amendment ideas" is a direct quote, quote the entire statement so we can compare and contrast to your interpretation. Sounds simple enough.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 29, 18 1:12 PM
"Their first amendment ideas" IS the whole statement, do you even remember what you type?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 18 1:17 PM
Simply provide the entire statement and we'll compare and contrast it to how you interpreted it.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 29, 18 1:24 PM
I reproduced your entire statement: when I suggested Antifa's targets are picked because of their racist ideas, you responded "Their first amendment ideas."

You can interpret to your heart's content, just as the readers can.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 18 1:33 PM
"Their first amendment ideas" is a partial extract of a statement, where's the rest of it?

I've never considered "ideas" in and of themselves to be correlated to the first amendment, so, I think you're lying at this point.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 29, 18 1:44 PM
So it's true, you have no recollection of what you type and have no problem retreating from it at convenience.

Scroll up a little in THIS comment section and look at your own post from July 26 at 9:47 AM if you're so inclined; it makes no difference to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 18 1:50 PM
Well lookee....so, you wrote: "Yup, rather than hate and hurt people for the color of their skin, they do it on the basis of their ideas" in defense of Antifa.

My response: "Their first amendment ideas" alluding to the KKK's protected first amendment right to do so(that even the ACLU defend has defended). So, no, I didn't say as you've mischaraterized "the people chanting "blood and soil" in Charlottesville were just passionate about the first amendment."

Compare and contrast ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 9:33 AM
My reading of your comment is that you believe they were not targeted for their racist ideas but for their "their first amendment ideas."

Your spin is falling on deaf ears here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 10:28 AM
So, a clarification of your misunderstanding is spin?

Well, alrighty.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 11:54 AM
Oh, now I see. You're attempting to twist my words and intent toward me some how defending the KKK.

If you pay really close attention (as you did to one post) you'll find that's far from the case. Nice try Antifa boy.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 11:58 AM
Thanks for the name calling! It doesn't change the fact that your comment reads:

"Yup, rather than hate and hurt people for the color of their skin, they do it on the basis of [their first amendment ideas]"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 12:11 PM
Infowars, they are truth telling media, you just have to know where the truth is. Great comment. It’s a conspiracy site. No basis in reality. The kkk is a hate group, based on violence. Keep defending Po Boy, your credibility is melting like a burning candle.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 12:48 PM
Fore, I have no idea what point you're in search of as you beat an issue yet again into ad nauseum, idiotic and moronic telling me what I said, that I didn't say - even after clarification.

Yes, Fred, the KKK is just that, based on hate and violence. But so is Antifa. And Infowars does in fact contain many interesting articles that are fact based. Whether you want to admit that while embracing the other, is up to you. But I get it, it forms the foundation of your opinion to which you are ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 1:08 PM
It's easy: I'm saying that you believe Antifa chooses targets based on "their first amendment ideas" rather than their racist or fascist ideas.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 1:17 PM
There would be no antifa without racist groups like the kkk and Neo-Nazis. That’s what I’m saying.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 1:22 PM
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Ah, that's simple to correct Fore

No, I'm saying Antifa chooses its targets regardless of a group or individual's first amendment rights.
Jul 30, 18 1:35 PM appended by Po Boy
You couldn't be more incorrect Fred. As the CNN report "Unmasking the Leftist Antifa Movement" Antifa keeps busy smashing windows and setting fires during protests at the University of California, Berkeley, leading to the cancellation of conservative speakers (Got it Fore??). So you see Fred, ANTIFA's hate is well established as well.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 1:35 PM
And to add, that's if I were to say that. My original post that you can't let go of never touched on this issue as it was geared toward the KKK's first amendment rights.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 1:42 PM
That is true, Antifa does not care about the first amendment which speaks only to what Congress may not do.

Antifa are private actors subject to arrest and prosecution for their criminal acts, not government actors violating anyone's constitutional rights.

As to UC Berkeley denying a platform based on public safety rather than speech content, I have no problem with it, nor do I think that the government is compelled to protect either neo-nazis or Antifa from each other.

As ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 1:46 PM
Once again for the umpteenth time, please don't tell me what I said, especially when you misquote - which is usually the case.

Where did I say "people who show up to these things know what to expect: one should bear the rational consequences of one's actions, whether they are chanting "blood and soil" or trying to hurt those who are" or any part of it?
Jul 30, 18 4:02 PM appended by Po Boy
UC Berkeley denied a platform based on public safety because of the threat of violence. Government is compelled to maintain law and order which includes keeping violent groups from each other if the threat of violence is present. They were supposed to do it in Charlottesville, and it's why the two groups clashed - the result of a flawed ill-prepared law enforcement plan.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 4:02 PM
In our conversation about Mr. Bamberger's apology didn't you say antagonists should :should be aware that antagonism is likely to result in physical confrontation?

It's the same concept; what's your opinion on how Nazi chants stack up against throwing fruit?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 6:22 PM
Once again Fore, if you'd like to discuss something, be specific. And if you can't quote it, don't tell me what I said. And again, Mr. Bamberger expressed his regrets. I'm beginning to see a pattern here where you take liberties when it's convenient to your argument.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 7:47 PM
You know what you said, or your memory is going, it's not important enough for me to dig up, I'm confident I'm accurately restating your views on the just desserts of antagonism.

Also, are you still insisting Mr. Bamberger didn't apologize? Hilarious.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 8:20 PM
That's about as lazy and disingenuous as it comes.

I'm simply not drawing any conclusions to Mr. Bamberger's mindset based on his actual words to which he NEVER said, "I'm sorry."

btw, throwing tomatoes is at minimum disorderly conduct, at worst, assault, a felony. Hateful chants are neither.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 8:39 PM
Hilarious. Anyway, I happen to think promoting genocide is better than throwing rotten fruit, but to each his own.
Jul 30, 18 9:52 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Oops, typed that backwards: throwing rotten fruit is better than promoting genocide.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 9:52 PM
"I happen to think promoting genocide is better than throwing rotten fruit"

Well, yeah, you're a Democrat.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 10:35 PM
Despite the error above, you should know what was meant, since you are the one defending those chanting Nazi slogans.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 10:41 PM
There it is - "defending those chanting Nazi slogans."

Took you long enough.

You're a piece of work.
Jul 31, 18 9:15 AM appended by Po Boy
Oh, so you're making a clarification. Hmmm, I thought those were not taken into consideration....you've blown mine off so you'll get the same consideration....hmmmm, no, you meant "I happen to think promoting genocide is better than throwing rotten fruit." Freudian slip.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 9:15 AM
Aren't you defending the speech of those chanting Nazi slogans?

Be clear: do you think chanting Nazi slogans is better or worse than throwing rotten fruit?

Or avoid the question and keep insisting Mr. Bamberger didn't apologize.
Jul 31, 18 9:24 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Thanks for the constant name-calling, it's becoming!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 9:24 AM
Don't be obtuse insinuating defense of hateful speech. You know full well, it's the right that is being defended. I'm not the one that said he thought "genocide was better than throwing rotten fruit." That said...

One is a crime.

The other is not.

One is not a protected right under the Constitution.

The other is not.

One is defended by the ACLU.

The other is not.

Requesting to define one as "better' than the other, removing the right ...more
Jul 31, 18 10:09 AM appended by Po Boy
Correction: One is a protected right under the Constitution.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 10:09 AM
Thanks for your lack of clarity; I appreciate that you're not even equivocating anymore.

The first amendment only protects one from government interference, that's why it begins with "Congress shall make no law..."

One should expect the consequences that flow naturally from one's actions; Nazis should expect to get punched and perpetrators of violence should expect to get prosecuted.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 10:21 AM
Well the SCOTUS has said on numerous occasions to the contrary of your opinion - protecting hate speech. You are failing to distinguish legal rights from moral condemnation

So, let's flip your statement because I see little difference in the KKK and Antifa.. Antifa should expect to get punched and perpetrators of violence should expect to get prosecuted? ....following your logic, you're condoning violence and therefore, the death of Heather Heyer? I don't condone violence on either side, ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 2:38 PM
Protecting hate speech from who? The government! Not private actors.

Am I condoning violence, or identifying a reasonable risk of it?

Yes, if you show up to a rally and antagonize the hell out of those you hold in disdain an incident or assault just might occur.

Does that sound familiar?
Aug 1, 18 2:45 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It should, they're your words!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 2:45 PM
Yes, Antifa.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:33 PM
You listed infowars in your post, I responded.what I don’t need is a lecture from you about anything. Keep trolling, it becomes you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 7:47 AM
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Thanks, as always, for your hateful rhetoric.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 8:09 AM
Run off to your safe space and put your hands over your ears ...


"Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla I cant hear you or Alex Jones. You are hate speech Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla"
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 26, 18 8:47 AM
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Just pointing out that the hateful and violent rhetoric liberals are accused of spreading is, lo and behold, coming from our conservative commenters.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 8:53 AM
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 8:59 AM
It is not about the validity of Info wars Its about there right to speak. The left used to be the party of free speech ? What has happened to make them intolerant of the open exchange of Ideas ? What are they afraid of ?
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 26, 18 8:45 AM
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Who is intolerant of the exchange of ideas? The issue was clearly with the characterization of Infowars as "Truth telling media."

People are free to spread lies and take comfort in them, it has been happening for millennia.

Other private parties are equally entitled to reject those falsehoods and deny them a stage.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 8:51 AM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 8:59 AM
Nice try. It's not so much the free speech, but the hate speech and child abuse that decent Americans reject.

"YouTube has deleted four videos posted by InfoWars founder Alex Jones, the controversial online personality famous for peddling conspiracy theories, and issued a "strike" against him.
The strike means Jones cannot livestream content for three months. Should he receive a second strike within that timeframe, YouTube will bar him from uploading new content for two weeks. YouTube ...more
By johnj (918), Westhampton on Jul 26, 18 9:09 AM
Fred s' comment at 8:59am on July 26th is absurd and hateful!

"bicycle seat sniffing Muslim"

Please refrain from name calling and use at least quasi decent English.
Intelligent, well-constructed arguments containing citable facts from vettable sources are valued here on both sides of the aisle.

By Aeshtron (222), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:00 AM
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@Aeshtron: Fred was not "name calling". He was referencing a quote from a previous post by long-time denizen of this list and a regular oh-so-dignified man of letters, one Joe Hampton.
By June Bug (2210), SOUTHAMPTON on Jul 26, 18 10:33 AM
It is true that Joe's rhetoric is consistently low-brow. That doesn't mean we need to repeat it.

Then again, I still pester Sturgis about his half-baked conspiracy theories, so who am I to judge?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 10:37 AM
Not you , joe Hampton. I apologize for the mistake
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:37 AM
Aeshtron, I apologize again for the mistake. My writing “style” probably won’t change. You post thoughtful comments on here, sorry again for the mixup. I will always address the comments accordingly now.i appreciate the vettable sources comment.i don’t think I’ve posted anything that’s unverifiable.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 11:45 AM
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Blocking half the core that built facebook ,, like conservatives ,,, alienate half your core you go down like NASCAR and the NFL .. NETFLIX GOOGLE & YOUTUBE are next
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 8:08 PM
Hahahah *eye roll*

My comments are "half baked".... why ? Perhaps because you pretend to not know what I'm suggesting... sure.....

Another prime example...You didn't know Zeldin is Jewish...


That's correct...stop judging ,because all you do is antagonize and instigate like a petulant child.
Jul 27, 18 8:38 AM appended by Sturgis
FBHG...again HAHAHAHA !!!! 1. FINALLY !!! Your comment tells me you know EXACTLY what I'm alluding to re: the Parkland deputies. And I'm 100% entitled to my opinion and I'm 100% entitled to post what I want and to not post something if I do not want to. However it looks like you did a little research.....Good job !!! 2. You will NEVER convince me you didn't know Zeldin is Jewish. Zero assumption on my part...ZERO.
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 8:38 AM
Half-baked because you never did say what connection exists between the Parkland deputies refusing to enter the school building and the firearm training they gave at a mosque at some point prior.

Since you brought it up, though...did anybody know what you meant? Would any enlightened user care to explain it to me?

Did they forget to wear ear plugs and go deaf at the training, rendering them unable to hear the gunshots at the school?

Did they forget their service weapons ...more
Jul 28, 18 9:39 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Oh no! You're still limited to two comments a day...oh well, maybe you'll use one of them to let us know what you really think tomorrow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 9:39 AM
I did answer you...
Again you already know what I think...Just as I know EXACTLY what you think.
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 8:05 AM
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Can you please elaborate? What was the connection?

I figured this is one of those you're "100% entitled...to not post " though I do think it's out of shame rather than entitlement.

Can you also tell me how to read minds? I asked Biba who claimed a similar talent but they were no help...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 28, 18 8:50 AM
"What are they afraid of ?"
Losing.
By Preliator Lives (324), Obamavillie on Jul 26, 18 8:54 AM
Hitler moved the embassy to Jerusalem ?!?!?!
People CAN change....Hitler ....what a mensch !!!!
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 9:05 AM
Gershon stated he was concern about the similarity of a nation's movement toward authoritarian Behavior. This was the extent of his comparison. If you pay attention to the facts he was referring to a political Trend that is alarming. Leave it to zeldin to turn everything upside down and make it sound like he was comparing Trump to Hitler. That Capitol Hill rag the hill is famous for this type of false news and alarmist rhetoric. Leave it to zeldin to carry Trump's water and accuse Gershon of the ...more
By hogwash (1), east Hampton on Jul 26, 18 11:24 AM
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@ Fore1gnBornHBgrown

Quote:

"Just pointing out that the hateful and violent rhetoric liberals are accused of spreading is, lo and behold, coming from our conservative commenters."
--------------------------------------------

You ought also to have called attention to their incessant lying:

There is now not a single Far-Right contributor to this site who will engage in honest debate. Each and every one either lies unabashedly without any attempt to authenticate ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 26, 18 12:46 PM
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I try to call them all out, but it's exhausting.

At least Slime stopped saying that Trump never received donations from the NRA.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 12:49 PM
Highhatsize, it’s a full time job calling bs on all the lies on here.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 12:54 PM
Zeldin has supported Trump's hate-infused rhetoric from the outset. His morally corrupt character was showcased when he genuflected to the white supremacist Steve Bannon to help him beg for funds. That disgraceful rendered him unfit for any high ground.
By Jolly Roger (20), Southampton on Jul 26, 18 1:00 PM
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UNHINGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 26, 18 4:27 PM
Posts in all caps are unhinged? Agreed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 26, 18 4:31 PM
Omarosa's book looks to be quite the summer scorcher.

L-O-S-E-R
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 26, 18 9:16 PM
Wall Street investors can’t remember the last time a GDP report was so crucial
By Mark DeCambre Marketwatch
Published: July 26, 2018 10:46 p.m. ET

Stock and bond market investors are bracing, with MarketWatch economists expecting Q2 GDP of 4.2%

Great Again !
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:54 PM
The bombshell revelation on Wednesday that the Obama administration funded an al-Qaeda group in Sudan ten years after it was designated a foreign terrorist organization merely scratched the surface of what the Islamic Relief Agency (ISRA) stands accused of.
For a full account of the group that received $325,000 in U.S. taxpayer money in 2014 and 2015, we must turn to the U.S. Treasury Department documents Team Obama apparently did not bother to read.

JUST MORE TREASON! Obama traded ...more
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Jul 26, 18 8:01 PM
America first vs America apologist pretty easy choice for one with any love for our country
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 26, 18 8:38 PM
Well this article just made my decision easier. Gershon is a nut job.
By Spinny OHO (85), Speonk on Jul 26, 18 9:14 PM
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By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 26, 18 9:22 PM
Perhaps if HRC won.....
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 8:43 AM
DEATH TO THE ALGORITHM
FACEBOOK SPIRAL
STOCK -19%

Facebook's $100 billion-plus rout is the biggest loss in stock market history

The First Amendment 1 / Censorship 0
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 26, 18 10:52 PM
STOP SHADOW BANNING !
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 27, 18 7:48 AM
BOOM

U.S. second-quarter GDP growth expected to top 4%

MAGA
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 27, 18 7:53 AM
As long as real wages are stagnant or declining, this is a simple hiccup.

Long term growth higher than 2.8% is not realistic.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 27, 18 2:40 PM
A pro America first, unabashed CAPITALIST in the White House leads to a strong economy! Actually Obama is responsible , when he left things got better in a hurry.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 27, 18 8:28 AM
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Don't worry. Trump is the perfect person to take us through bankruptcy after the national dead balloons to unheard-of levels.

Unless, Cohen ends up getting him impeached first...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 27, 18 3:07 PM
While I realize the only thing that will alleviate your depression is seeing America suffering, getting a well deserved black eye, subrogating ourselves before the world for the pure evil this nation has got to be made to pay for, but your concern about debt and the deficit is obviously phony. After all, you support the importation of an unlimited number of poor, ill-educated people via illegal immigration, and of course, you want every single one to be allowed the cornucopia social welfare benefits. ...more
By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Jul 27, 18 5:50 PM
Wow.

Don't badmouth bigfresh like that.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 28, 18 12:13 AM
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To eliminate a MORON, one needs to reveal the moron. (And his moron followers)

"Illegal immigrants are also "exempt" from taxes, via the 1099, and no real checks on the validity of their status.

How's that?" Apr 2, 10 2:33 PM"
Mr Z.

"Change the rule from being born on American soil for citizenship, and add "birthed child MUST have at least ONE naturalized, or U.S. born parent." .

Then again, maybe I'm a crackpot..." Apr 3, 10 12:06 AM"

Mr.Z

"No ...more
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Jul 29, 18 10:58 PM
@ Ditch Bum

Your "bombshell revelation" (that the US gave $325K to an Al Qaeda affiliate in Sudan) was reported by "i24News", an Israeli news organization based in Tel Aviv. Perhaps it would be prudent to wait for it be be confirmed by some other news organization whose country isn't a party in the Arab/Israeli conflict. And, keeping that $325K figure in perspective, that's 0.000065% of the $5 trillion that our Middle Eastern adventures have cost us to date.

The rest of your ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 27, 18 9:17 AM
Some other news organization ...translation: An Arab news organization

Again HHS I thought it was the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict....????
Who are these Arabs you keep mentioning ...????



By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 27, 18 3:52 PM
Democrats = Hate-riots
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 27, 18 1:10 PM
Tax cuts and less regulation of business are two factors directed attributable to president Trump that have boosted our economy, something that Barak Hussein Obama’s never did
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 27, 18 4:19 PM
Congrats on pres. Trump for the GDP numbers. The last time it was that high was in 2014 when the budget deficit was half of what it is today.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 4:47 PM
In 2014 the sequester took effect, which you and your ilk insisted would ruin the economy. Obama drove the deficit to repeated record levels, until he was reigned in by the Republicans.

It is nice to see you acknowledge that the sequester did not destroy the economy as predicted, and that this is now Trump's economy.

2008 - $459 (George WITH Bush's last budget)
2009 - $1413 (!)
2010 - $1294(!)
2011 - $1300(!)
2012 - $1087(!)
ENOUGH! REPUBLICAN SEQUESTER GOES ...more
By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Jul 27, 18 5:36 PM
The bipartisan TARP bailout and other responses to the 2008 recession also took place around the same time. What was the average annual deficit for the second term?

Even taking into account the first term, do you think Trump's deficits will average higher or lower?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 7:04 PM
"less regulation" caused the derivative meltdown of 2007.

BTW, predicted by a woman who was blackballed.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 28, 18 12:11 AM
Fore, the increase in total public debt outstanding since Trump took office to date is $1.35 trillion. In 8 years under Obama the increase was $9.32 trillion, nearly doubling the total public debt outstanding. If averaged out, Trump is running almost $400 billion less than Obama. I'm not so certain about ballooning to unheard levels as stated by Mr Z. Figures are from the US Department of Treasury.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 8:53 AM
I understand where you are coming from but you should take a closer look at the long term consequences of the Trump tax cuts.

The wager is that GDP growth will raise tax revenues and outpace our debt growth. The same one, btw, that democrats have always proposed with a focus on the middle class rather than high earners.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 28, 18 11:01 AM
The denial of science and scientific fact as stated by Gershon: Trump never denied science and/or scientific fact. What he really questioned and/or denied was the statistical validity and assumptions with regards to man-made global warming studies. Statistics is the science of both number and audience “manipulation”, with political audiences being by far the easiest to manipulate. Trump’s policies related to global warming were not based on his own original thoughts and/or ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 6:27 PM
The earth is flat . I’m with you. Science is over rated.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 6:46 PM
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@ SDG1776

You are quite wrong, The Donald HAS denied scientific fact, including scientific fact affirmed in the very Heritage Foundation study to which you refer.* Moreover, while you imply that that study's findings are the basis for Trump's denial, there is no evidence that he has ever read it. Rather, he supports his denial with ignorant, impressionistic observations** and with (hilarious) conspiratorialist accusations.*** As indicated by his Chinese tweet, Trump's denial of global ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 28, 18 9:08 AM
Highhat,

Thanks for calling me out on this. I’ll be the first to walk back a comment and admit when I’m wrong when presented with a valid argument, and might even be inclined to change my opinion given the strength of one’s argument, although your references alone would not change my opinion, you could have done a better job to discredit my statements and/or sway my opinions.

With Trump’s lack of having a science advisor combined with his earlier proposed ...more
Jul 30, 18 11:51 AM appended by SDG1776
Correction: All FY 2018 science research funding remained flat or better with no cuts based on FY 2017 appropriations
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 29, 18 11:51 AM
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@ SDG1776

On this forum, in order to avoid TLDR, my habit is to present an argument that is as succinct as possible rather than to attempt an exhaustive exegesis of the question at hand. If others show interest in continuing the discussion, I will further elucidate but always with the goal of keeping each comment bite-sized. (If you have read some of my posts, you will see that this is a GOAL rather than a RULE.) Hence the limitations of my reply to you.

It comes as no surprise ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 31, 18 9:24 AM
It probably would have been easier to just say that Trump’s only denial of science is the science fiction fabricated by liberal alarmists, with the solution being setting all liberal alarmists adrift on an ice floe so they can collectively monitor the sea ice melt as they slowly sink into the warming ocean, but the again “His”character is not mine, and I’m neither a Low-Low or dishonest causist....without denial of what is taken for accepted, science would not exist.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 1:15 PM
More like "Trump only denies science when he talks about it"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 1:28 PM
@ SDG1776

Easier to say but no more factual than your contention that "without denial of what is taken for accepted, science would not exist."

By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 1, 18 8:48 AM
It’s called “satire” HHS, although it’s nice to know 27 East commentary has a built-in fact checker! Keep up the good work!
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 10:31 AM
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Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 18 11:16 AM
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Alright HHS & Fore, my position on the denial of science has been swayed based on HHS’s arguments, further self education, and the definition of the word denial, the denial of which can more accurately described as both inaccurate, and uneducated/ignorant stabs at science combined with false claims, and am now in agreement with Gershon in light of Trump’s references to let’s say Geneva, where he mis-spoke “again”, actually meaning the Copenhagen Summit on climate and ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 4:56 AM
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I subscribe to the view that any civilization with the dominance of humans achieved it by being very effective at consuming resources to the point of self-harm.

The question in this case is not "is it our fault" but rather takes for granted that, being an advanced civilization, we would at some point throw off the balance of our environment. The remaining question is "can we use our resources more wisely in a way that protects the long-term future of the human race."

Fingers crossed, ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 7:42 AM
Demonization of Immigrants as stated by Gershon: Last time I checked, the legally accepted terminology as per the United Stares Code is “illegal alien” and not “immigrant”. That’s all I’ll say about that...
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 27, 18 6:29 PM
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So, that happened.

Sean Hannity in 2008: “If you cheat on your wife, are you going to be honest with your country?”
Sean Hannity: Americans “have a right to know before we elect somebody” president if he had an affair


If your marriage is solely for convenience, and not "love"...
Have the ****** stones to just admit it.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 28, 18 12:17 AM
Gershon is on the wrong side of just about every issue and would not represent the best interests of the East End if he were elected to Congress. Socialism doesn’t work , you eventually run out of other people’s money. Zeldin in a landslide.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 28, 18 8:18 AM
I agree, a guy from Shirley knows exactly what we need out here.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 9:14 AM
Glad you agree that Gershon's alt left positions are not representative of what we need. I'll take the capitalist, veteran and pro American over the leftists any day.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 28, 18 9:43 AM
Nah, was sarcasm. He can stay in Shirley. To say someone is more pro American then another isn’t saying much.patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.we are all Americans, comparing whose more American is flat out lame.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 10:07 AM
The only point that I remotely agree with Gershon in the article is the parallel he draws between Trump's denouncing what are generally accepted partisan bias' in the media/fake news, and the Nazis' use of the expression Lügenpresse. The Nazis expression "Lügenpresse" or "lying press" was used as propaganda against Jews, communists, and the enemy press, however, both Trump and the Nazis also shared other similar words and expressions such as "Hello", "How are you", "I am well", "...and ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 8:30 AM
@ Biba

Quote:

"Some other news organization ...translation: An Arab news organization

Again HHS I thought it was the Palestinian/ Israeli conflict....????
Who are these Arabs you keep mentioning ...????"
------------------------------

No, Biba, I specifically said "some other news organization WHOSE COUNTRY ISN'T A PARTY IN THE ARAB/ISRAELI CONFLICT". Your defining bias has caused you to overlook my clear disqualification of any Arab news organization.
...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 28, 18 9:19 AM
With Lee Zeldin having Steve Bannon as the headliner of his campaign fundraiser, I’d have to say Gershon is accurate. Bannon is now on tour of Europe, stoking the flames of fascism and anti-immigrant xenophobia, just as he did from his office in the Trump White House. Sebastian Gorka, a member of a Hungarian right-wing group. Sean Spicer, spewed of Trump’s Big Lies and attack’s on the media, was another.
Trump calls journalists “the enemy of the people”. Not ...more
By major dude (4), East Moriches on Jul 28, 18 10:33 AM
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GDP 4.1%...
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 28, 18 10:50 AM
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It's wonderful....and don't forget:

The Trump Administration has increased U.S. defense spending, shamed NATO members into spending more on their own national defense, blocked Putin, Russia, and Putin client Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and armed Ukraine to destroy the Russian tanks Putin sent to Ukraine to aid the pro-Russian irregulars and separatists there.

Good news, indeed.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 28, 18 1:41 PM
Or, just a hiccup due to a glut of exports purposefully performed to avoid tariffs in the trade war. As usual, false glory and surface scratching.


DECEMBER 23, 2014 / 8:34 AM / 4 YEARS AGO
Third-quarter U.S. economic growth strongest in 11 years

The U.S. economy grew at a 5.0 percent clip in the third quarter, its quickest pace in 11 years and the strongest sign yet that growth has decisively shifted into higher gear.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 29, 18 12:50 PM
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Democrats think Trump is hitler and if you voted for him, you're a follower and supporter of hitler.

That's one way to win voters back that you lost in 2016...lol
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 11:23 AM
Yes anyone who pays attention can see a sore loser aspect of it is just off the scale
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jul 28, 18 12:47 PM
Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) came out swinging against Facebook for censoring Infowars videos, asserting that free speech protects controversial points of view.
“Am no fan of Jones — among other things he has a habit of repeatedly slandering my Dad by falsely and absurdly accusing him of killing JFK — but who the hell made Facebook the arbiter of political speech? Free speech includes views you disagree with.

Exactly!I am glad there are still so call Republicans with the ...more
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 28, 18 1:46 PM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 2:06 PM
Ezekiel Elliott: We’re the Dallas Cowboys America’s Team., we stand for the national anthem
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 29, 18 9:15 AM
27 dan, can you show me somewhere there’s an official document or law that says Dallas cowboys are America’s team?or is it just a marketing ploy people have fallen for. My money is on the marketing ploy.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 29, 18 9:43 AM
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Somewhere there is a lightswitch just waiting to be turned.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Jul 28, 18 11:43 PM
YOU CAN’T HIDE A BOOMING ECONOMY

Happy Sunday ...
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 29, 18 8:59 AM
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You can't hide a pathological liar either.

"While Mr. Trump praised the 4.1 percent annual growth rate in the second quarter, the economy exceeded that level four times during the Obama presidency: in 2009, 2011 and twice in 2014.

In purely numerical terms, a larger shift took place in the second quarter of 2014, when the economy went from contracting by 1 percent to growing at a rate of 5.1 percent."

Happy Sunday...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 29, 18 12:59 PM
@ joe hampton

Quote:

"YOU CAN’T HIDE A BOOMING ECONOMY

Happy Sunday ..."
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Thank you, President Obama and Democratic Congressmen and Senators!

At services today, my most fervent prayer will be that Republicans don't screw the pooch AGAIN.
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 29, 18 9:34 AM
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Thank you President Obama LOL. Some of you just can't get off of that river denial. Here we are two years in to This Presidents term and the world has been brought into Focus the economy is booming and the manufactured outrage looks more and more ridiculous everyday.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jul 29, 18 10:05 AM
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More falsehoods from the Liar in Chief.


GDP growth touted as “historic” by Trump is anything but

In fact, Mr. Trump didn't inherit a fixer-upper economy.

The U.S. economy just entered its 10th year of growth, a recovery that began under President Barack Obama, who inherited the Great Recession. The data show that the falling unemployment rate and gains in home values reflect the duration of the recovery, rather than any major changes made since 2017 by ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 29, 18 12:55 PM
Congrats to Mr. Trump for 4.1% growth of GDP.

That's good enough to be Obama's 5th best growth number.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 29, 18 12:58 PM
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Pretty darn good considering it was said GDP couldn't again surpass 3%.

That's the point in "historic" kids.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 29, 18 1:09 PM
The average GDP growth rate since 1947 is 3.22%.

The current quarter's 4.1% tally is skewed by an export panic.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 29, 18 4:38 PM
Putting America First has inspired consumer confidence, a pro business, pro CAPITALISM president has boosted our economy out of the doldrums.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 30, 18 4:34 AM
bull****.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 5:46 AM
All the right wing touting of the "free market", and you can't even tell the difference between a capitalist, and a protectionist.

It is to laugh...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 6:33 PM
Sure we can. Many don't agree with everything the President does.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:31 PM
Which is hard to tell because of the lack of criticism.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 18 6:07 AM
Oh, the President gets plenty of criticism. So much so, that it the boty calls wolf.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 1:55 AM
I was talking about a lack of criticism from YOU.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 7:54 AM
YOU aren't at my dinner table.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:00 AM
Yes, I'm sure your dinner table talk is markedly different from your comments here, but a reasonable reader would probably infer that I was talking about your comments here, on the 27east website, on the planet called Earth, in the Milky Way Galaxy, so if it was unclear at all there you go.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 11:19 AM
Sigh....I didn't say my conversation at the dinner table was markedly different from my comments here. I wrote, "YOU aren't at the dinner table" (to hear criticism when it comes up).

And if you think criticism here is none existent, it's likely the result of it being balanced against the context of many things to include the existence of the well communicated double standard. So, it might seem to the jaded there is no criticism when in actuality, context gives the optical illusion.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:53 AM
What are some of your dinner-table criticisms, if you don't mind sharing?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 12:05 PM
I do not.
Aug 6, 18 12:24 PM appended by Po Boy
I mean, I do, lol. It's really not worth my time.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 12:24 PM
And you're entitled to abstain from sharing but it's just another example of your comments being devoid of criticism, whether by coincidence or choice.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 12:35 PM
HHS

Some other news organizations ? Do you mean the Jerusalem Post or Haaretz? How about The Times of Israel ? Because you've cited articles from all of these news organizations.....
My personal favorite : Visualizing Palestine .....

The Arabs that decided to remain after the re birth of Israel remained Arabs and the Arabs that did not suddenly became "Palestinians"....interesting.

The comparison between the Native Americans and Palestinians was already debunked. ...more
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 29, 18 10:53 AM
@ Biba

You've never "debunked" anything that I've said in your entire life, Biba. All you do is repost the same lies (that have been refuted by authoritative reference) over and over again.

1) The Palestinians are not indigenous to Palestine? What mindless rot. The Palestinians are Arabs who have lived in Palestine for thousands of years.

2) Citation of Israeli news media? Sure I do, when they are critical of the Israeli government. In law, those criticisms are ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 29, 18 2:31 PM
@HHS

No need to debunk anything you have written, the circle you speak in ( round and round you go, what you speak of, nobody knows) has a default debunk.

You sir, are the O.G. mythomaniac in chief.

It's time you put up, or shut up. You've stated we HAD to give a terrorist state money.....give up your residence to the poor shinnecock. Stand on your values.


Or don't.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Jul 29, 18 11:16 PM
@ Bayman3142

A suggestion, Bayman3142, stop letting your mortification at being whupped in our "$195,000 STPD Cops" discussion poison your life. Don't hold a grudge for ANOTHER seven years.

As for your most recent comment, you have clearly misunderstood what I said but I can't tell from your post what it is that you think that I HAVE said. If you want to take another run at writing a comprehensible reply, I'll be happy to address whatever idea it is that you are trying to express.
...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 30, 18 12:09 AM
HighHat: Your self reported intelligence is a sham. Please go back to your sub-reddit and agree with yourself all you want there. You have worn out your welcome on the comments in this local news website. Here is some actual history for you to ponder while you spend your time composing a vituperative reply:

"In the 18th century the Bedouin Zahir al-Umar al-Zaidani rose to become a wealthy trader and tax farmer. He developed a base of power in Galilee as Acre prospered. He monopolized ...more
By dfree (588), hampton bays on Jul 30, 18 8:57 AM
@ dfree

What narcissistic presumption. Your opinion is yours alone. Moreover, "I" have never claimed superior intelligence, unlike the "stable genius" whom you worship.

As is your custom (and Bayman3152's) you have once again deposited a load of unaccredited, unexplicated verbiage in the belief that it validates your belief. (Although in this case, as with Bayman3152's ultimate post, I am at a loss to understand just what that belief IS.)

Here's my advice to both of ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 30, 18 9:37 AM
Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 9:43 AM
Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 9:43 AM
Tell victims of Matt Lauer, Les Moonves and Bill Clinton that the media is not an enemy of the people.
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 30, 18 7:13 AM
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President Trump leveled harsh criticism of the fake news media over their constant negative coverage of his administration, and assured the American people he won’t let them continue to sell out the country.
“When the media – driven insane by their Trump Derangement Syndrome – reveals internal deliberations of our government, it truly puts the lives of many, not just journalists, at risk! Very unpatriotic!” Trump tweeted Sunday.
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 30, 18 7:23 AM
You know what's unpatriotic? Having all the Russia hearings behind closed doors.

Bring 'em out in front of the cameras and televise it, I'd love to hear Donnie Jr. sink his dad because he's not as good at lying.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 7:28 AM
Controlling speech is all part of the plan.

16 year plan to overthrow the US and install a Globalist Marxist regime.
Part one Obama's 8 years.
1. Install rogue operators in top governmental positions, like Comey, Lynch, Holder.
2. Weaponize alphabet agencies to promote the agenda and attack political opposition using DOJ, FBI, IRS, CIA, ATF, DHS etc.
3. Purge good guys from government and military.
4. Fund, arm and train terrorists and gangs MS-13, ISIS etc then import ...more
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 30, 18 7:32 AM
Yes, because the president single-handedly decides all of these things.

"Kill NASA", "cut military readiness", "create mass extinction" LOL.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 7:36 AM
They call me, no this post isn’t some crazy conspiracy.can you answer where you read this, or is it just in your mind. This isn’t unhinged, it’s so wacky it’s funny.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 7:40 AM
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Oh I guess you did not see this ? You must be using crome since google blocks this link !

Hijacked! How Obama and the Left Killed NASA: The journey from the Moon to radical activism

When I became the NASA administrator, [President Obama] charged me with three things. One, he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math; he wanted me to expand our international relationships; and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out ...more
By They call me (2522), southampton on Jul 30, 18 1:05 PM
What news source? Need a citation ,they call me.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 1:12 PM
Its pretty easy to find Fred just goggle how Barack Hussein Obama II destroyed Nasa and tasked the agency with "Muslim outreach" instead of science.

I guess they did not report on that on MSNBC back in 2010 when it was happening. See what you miss when you limit yourself to only watching one partisan source for news. I read the NYT and the New York Post. I watch CNN, MSNBC,CNBC as well as Fox and Fox Business Channel. Yes I listen to Rush, Levin, Alex Jones and XM Patriot as well as the ...more
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 30, 18 3:59 PM
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Actually, the "muslim outreach" was an attempt to recruit their best and brightest. Nothing like a "brain drain" to cripple your enemy. Just ask the Germans. It may even help them out of the Stone Age regression their society has fallen into via religious zealotry. Said society pretty much made some of the most major contributions to math and engineering.

The right wing ignorance continues...

By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 8:29 PM
MNUCHIN: US WILL SEE 3% GROWTH FOR NEXT 4-5 YEARS
President Trump even suggested some quarters of 8-9% growth...Treasury Secretary Steven Mnunchin said on Fox News Sunday that he believes the United States can sustain economic growth under the President Trumps polices of at least 3 percent for the next four to five years.

KAGA !
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 30, 18 7:21 AM
What do farmers have in common with Stormy Daniels?

They both got ******, then got a payoff...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 7:23 PM
Watching Fox news the other day, reveling in 4.1 GDP. The young lady giving the story on GDP, that President Trump has reached historical levels, not accomplished since 2014. Umm who was the President in 2014? Maybe Drumpf can reach some of the heights Barack Obama did.Soybeans and exports spurned this rate as companies tried to act before tariffs took effect.
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 7:58 AM
That's pretty sad. You ended up tradingeconomics.com and didn't even understand what you were reading.

The ANNUALIZED GROWTH RATE of the GDP of 2.8% to an ANNUALIZED amount of 4.1% was indeed historic. The GROWTH RATE is what was historic.

Your conclusion regarding soybeans exports and tariffs taken right from that page is a transparent attempt to strengthen your rote 'but, but, obama'' response.
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 8:34 AM
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And YOU didn't understand that 4.1% growth was specific to the 2nd quarter, not annualized.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 10:19 AM
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There is no 4.1% growth, my personal stalker.
Jul 30, 18 10:51 AM appended by SlimeAlive
Neither you nor your buddy are making any sense. People understand what is happening. You can spend as much time as you want trying to convince them not to believe their ''lying eyes''.
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 10:51 AM
It WOULD have been a growth of 4.1% if it happened for 4 quarters straight.

Lo and behold, notwithstanding that the third and fourth quarters haven't happened yet, the first quarter was already substantially lower!
Jul 30, 18 11:12 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Trump's 2nd quarter number was good enough to be Obama's 5 best number, what's hard to see about that?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 11:12 AM
The stupid just burns.
Jul 30, 18 6:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
"In purely numerical terms, a larger shift took place in the second quarter of 2014, when the economy went from contracting by 1 percent to growing at a rate of 5.1 percent."
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 6:35 PM
I know the truth hurts, just like Mexico is not paying for the wall. Remember how gullible you were, Mexico is paying for the wall one hundred percent!! direct quote from the tangerine toddler.
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 8:07 PM
I don't have a clue what you are talking about, trading blah blah, never been on it. Read, first, was watching Faux news. I guess we'll see in October for next GDP. 12 billion bailout, how are you right wing socialists doing tonight?
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 8:12 PM
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You forgot free market touting protectionists.

:-0
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 8:22 PM
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"I don't have a clue what you are talking about"

That I can believe!
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Jul 30, 18 10:41 PM
You voted for the moron, remember I'm going to build a wall and MEXICO is paying for it, one hundred percent. Those pesky little facts that Obama had GDP quarters much higher than l'll Donnie Johnnys 4.1%. Really annoying those facts isn't it. Soy beans, nothing more than buying gasoline before the price goes up. We'll see in October before the election.
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 8:10 AM
Its easy to reach 4.1 when you have the money press working overtime
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 1:08 PM
It's also easy to reach new index heights as well.

M2 August 1, 1998: 4.2 trillion dollars

M2 July 18, 2018: 14.2 trillion dollars

Yep kiddies, you read that right. Nearly 10 trillion dollars printed out of the clear blue sky in the past 20 years.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 6:57 PM
Whoever is President of this nation, whether past, present, or future, I would wish and hope for the highest GDP possible, and would also wish and hope that both our leadership and nation succeeds in doing so. I feel that many would rather see failure just to prove a point, which is to say the least, pointless, because then we all lose.
Jul 30, 18 1:34 PM appended by SDG1776
Correction....Highest sustainable GDP growth possible....
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Jul 30, 18 1:34 PM
"McConnell: Wall Funding Would ‘Probably’ Have to Wait"

McConnell and Ryan gave Obama EVERYTHING he wanted to avert a "shutdown". They did it more than once!

He won't give President Trump or his voters what they voted for, despite being a "Republican".

It's Obvious Mitch is a USELESS, Obstructing RINO!
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 30, 18 4:10 PM
Blaming the Democrats for not building a wall on the border with Mexico is bunkum. In Hampton Bays, there is a huge useless tower on the Coast Guard property (no, it's not to monitor any vessel for Homeland Security, its so boats equipped with a special radio can broadcast for help in an emergency -- and cel phones made that obsolete even before it was built) and a huge new building for some reason -- neither of which went through any zoning or local regulations. Where did that budget come from? ...more
By dfree (588), hampton bays on Jul 30, 18 5:58 PM
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"Hmmmmm..."

Was the 2016 election legitimate? It's now definitely worth asking the question

By Virginia Heffernan
JUL 28, 2018 | 4:10 AM


We need to talk about a forbidden subject: the legitimacy of the current president.

There’s been a code of silence around President Donald Trump’s shady victory in 2016. It’s one of those tiptoe-around-it things that the American family just doesn’t talk about. And with good reason. Whatever ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 7:09 PM
But not a shed of concern that the Democratic primary wasn't legitimate.
Jul 30, 18 7:39 PM appended by Po Boy
Three weeks before the election, October 18, 2016, Barack Obama: "...there is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved. There’s no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances in which that will happen this time. And so I’d advise Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes. And if he got the most votes, then it would be my expectation of Hillary Clinton to offer a gracious concession speech and pledge to work with him in order to make sure that the American people benefit from an effective government."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 7:39 PM
What was illegitimate about the Democratic primary? The Democratic party leadership is not required to be impartial, and it's no surprise it was opposed to an independent getting the nomination.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 30, 18 8:18 PM
He must have skipped over this part:

"We’ve long known that Russian hackers attempted to break into the nation’s voter databases. But NBC reported this year that they succeeded. Senior intelligence officials said that Russia compromised seven states, including California, Florida, Illinois and Texas."
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 8:20 PM
The author must have missed this part:

"All state and federal officials who spoke to NBC News agree that no votes were changed and no voters were taken off the rolls."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 8:28 PM
Irrelevant. They got in, and if they used volatile malware you'll never kow because it dusts it's own tracks. Face it, the Russians installed Trump into office. We know the truth is hard to accept, but maybe in time you'll come to live with the rest of us in the real world.

And well, a Republican admitted this:

"The attorney general of Wisconsin, Brad Schimel, even boasted recently that Trump won Wisconsin chiefly because tens of thousands of eligible voters were turned away."
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 30, 18 8:38 PM
Irrelevant? Face it?? LOL.... you're talking about illegitimacy of an election and the evidence shows no votes were changed and no voters were taken off the rolls.

UNHINGED!!!!
Jul 30, 18 8:42 PM appended by Po Boy
From a source cited by your own source, no less.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 30, 18 8:42 PM
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From CBS: "Under the Wisconsin law, voters must present a driver's license, state ID, passport, military ID, naturalization papers or tribal ID to vote. A student ID is acceptable only if it has a signature and a two-year expiration date. Those who do not have their ID can cast a provisional ballot that will be counted only if they return with the proper ID within a few days of the election."

I personally think all states should require proper ID in order to vote, and on every level, from ...more
By pigroast (72), East Quogue on Jul 31, 18 1:16 AM
Yep, totally "UNHINGED!". Which conservative bat guano psycho radio hoser popularized that new word for the sheep?

It would seem even the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI, the CIA, and even the NSA is unhinged as well. Even if "no votes were changed" physically on a machine, even those with no air gap, WiFi, and PCAnywhere installed, there was a clear and concise cyberattack using operators such as Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks.com. Believer's syndrome is a he** of ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 31, 18 2:43 AM
We’ve never needed any of those things to vote here. Why all of a sudden is it necessary?i can see Schimels point in terms of the presidential election, it got us trump.show a statistic of any kind of voter fraud, it’s a myth perpetrated by the right. Look at the lame attempt to prove it by Chris kobach. It’s non existent.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 5:17 AM
Remember when Trump's voter integrity commission turned up all that evidence of voter fraud?

Oh right, it didn't and was unceremoniously dissolved.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 6:23 AM
The voter integrity commission was a fraud.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 6:30 AM
That c&p is incredibly bias filled , obviously written by a Democrat Party hack who still doesn't understand that Hillary was the worst possible candidate and lost the election all on her own. Our nation was disgusted after 8 years of the Barak Hussein Obama regime and wanted some REAL hope and change and elected President Trump, a pro capitalism, unabashedly Pro AMERICA businessman. The electoral college system is the way we elect our president , deal with it.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Jul 31, 18 6:48 AM
Sad. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 6:39 AM
ODNI Statement on Declassified Intelligence Community Assessment of Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent U.S. Elections


We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process,
denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 6:43 AM
Big fresh, I’ll use the same language as you. The majority of Americans are disgusted after a very short term of the “president “. You are correct with the electoral college, I have no problem with it. It gave us 2 presidents in recent times, with the minority’s vote. You can embrace a low moral lier, that’s great. There’s not one decent thing about the “president “ that’s worth mentioning. But, he’s white. I don’t deny that, or he’s ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 7:11 AM
Thanks for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 8:47 AM
In the latest poll by Harvard/Harris, when voters were asked to rank their top issues for the midterm elections, immigration topped the list with a plurality, 36 percent, calling it the biggest issue facing the nation.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 30, 18 10:02 PM
In the latest SSRS poll, 42% of those polled think Trump should be impeached. Which is higher than another SSRS poll which puts his approval rating at 39%.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 31, 18 2:58 AM
@ Po Boy

Quote:

"Irrelevant? Face it?? LOL.... you're talking about illegitimacy of an election and the evidence shows no votes were changed and no voters were taken off the rolls.

UNHINGED!!!!"
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@ Po Boy

Once again we are treated to a display of your signature casuistry and disingenuous misdirection.

Investigations by our intelligence and law enforcement agencies have uncovered voluminous evidence ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Jul 31, 18 4:54 AM
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The fact is that interference was found, and if collusion follows it doesn't really matter whether the outcome was changed or not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 6:26 AM
"All state and federal officials who spoke to NBC News agree that no votes were changed and no voters were taken off the rolls." THIS!

"the Russians used disinformation to mislead voters into voting for Trump."

Same old same old Leftist drivel. People are too stupid to vote intelligently (after all Trump won), so they must have been influenced by the Russians, or like Hiary said, women were influenced by their husbands. In reality, if anything, they were influenced learning how ...more
Jul 31, 18 9:09 AM appended by Po Boy
The goal of Russia's involvement influencing the election was to fuel discontent in US. Gee Democrats, did the the Russian succeed? You're pawns!
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 9:09 AM
Voters may or may not have been influenced by the Russian operation, but that part is far less important than whether a campaign knowingly accepted or solicited material support from a foreign state.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 9:20 AM
Not only is there no evidence of that crime on the part of campaign Trump, there has been no evidence to suggest that occurred. It's the Democrat pipe dream and likely the cover story for something nefarious committed by Democrats, or simply, attempts toward regaining power.

The use of the Democrat funded fake dossier is far more damning given its linkage to the Kremlin and attempted goal of disinformation and election influence toward the goal of fueling discontent, not to mention the ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 9:53 AM
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Po Boy, the dossier was funded by a anti trump group, then picked up by dems . It’s a false accusation it was used for inappropriate warrants. That fact was debunked with the release of the fisa warrant. On top of that the Steele dossier hasn’t been proven false yet, but keep diverting and trying .
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 10:04 AM
You're wrong Fred. On all counts. Nothing in the dossier as we have come to know it, was "funded by the "anti trump" group" you're alluding to. Dems funded the Steele dossier wholeheartedly.

This is the problem (and goal). Perpetuating incorrect information so the willful soak it up.




By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 10:19 AM
Is Trump declaring that "collusion is not a crime" the perpetuation of incorrect information so the willful soak it up?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 10:22 AM
Po Boy, I’m not perpetuating anything. It’s a fact that the dossier was funded by a never trump group to start with.remember you’re the guy who quotes infowars as a news site. You’re the one who willfully soaks up fake news and conspiracy theory’s. Spare me your nonsense.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 10:31 AM
Yes Fred, it is fact that the Free Beacon funded a different effort...but they were two distinct unrelated efforts that NEVER resulted in an initial dossier. Once Trump received the nomination, the effort by the Free Beacon ceased. None of what came out of the Steele dossier was part of the Free Beacon effort.


THE dossier - the Steele dossier - was singularly funded by the DNC. Even Mr. Z came to acknowledge his error - the same error you are now making.


By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 10:55 AM
Right, the firm had already done a bunch of work, then threw it all out and started over once a new client requested the same information. That's what happened.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 11:00 AM
Steele was not involved in the Free Beacon effort per the Free Beacon, "we retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple candidates."

They go on to say: "All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided ...more
Jul 31, 18 11:18 AM appended by Po Boy
Fusion GPS and the Washington Free Beacon. A note to our readers. BY: Matthew Continetti and Michael Goldfarb October 27, 2017 7:02 pm
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:18 AM
So when Fusion GPS asked Steele to conduct research on Trump did they:

(A) Give him their already-existing information, paid for by the Free Beacon, or

(B) Tell him to start from scratch?

If (A) then the Steele Dossier was a product of the prior research, no matter how removed.

If (B) then Fusion likes to pay twice for the same thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 11:24 AM
(C) None of the above.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:28 AM
Few things in life are binary, but whether or not Fusion gave Steele the pre-existing information paid for by Free Beacon sure sounds like one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 11:36 AM
Po Boy, fusion gps was initially funded by an unknown gop operative. After trump got the nomination, the Clinton campaign financed the probe. I stand by my comment.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 11:38 AM
I believe you are referring to billionaire Paul Singer, founder and president of Elliott Management Corp., who provided financial support to the Washington Free Beacon. He supported Rubio. Initial reports could not name him. You're working off outdated information Fred.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:59 AM
Po Boy, you just named the Washington free beacon above. By outdated info, you mean like 20 mins ago. They started the ball rolling.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 12:37 PM
Didn't Donnie Jr. solicit help from a Russian state actor in a federal election?

I think the only question left is his state of mind: was it knowingly?

If so, the next step should be obvious: what did the president know and when did he know it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 12:50 PM
Be honest. What's the longest you've gone without mentioning russia or putin in the last 3 years?
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 12:58 PM
The rationalization is astounding.

Fred, you seemed to be stuck on the now known issue of "an unknown gop operative." It was Paul Singer working in concert with the Free Beacon.

Listening ears....

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 2:17 PM
Just keep repeating "collusion is not a crime" over and over, maybe it'll become true.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 3:13 PM
Po Boy, I stated the free beacon also. Move on. You can frame it however you’d like. Paul singer financed the beacon. The beacon started paying for the investigation. Clinton camp finished. Is that hard to follow? I’ll use your line, I have neither the time or crayons to continue.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 3:52 PM
No, Fred, the Clinton Camp did not "finish it." It was a completely separate and distinct effort. The Free Beacon paid for their effort, and when Trump received the nomination, it ended. Camp Clinton began it there after, Steele was hired, he traveled to the Kremlin, and the rest is history. There was no intent by the Free Beacon to take it to the level Democrats took it.
Jul 31, 18 9:07 PM appended by Po Boy
To again quote the Beacon, "All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 9:07 PM
Seriously?

Russia voted for Trump.

Do you really think they were trying to help? Are they now our bro?
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 31, 18 10:37 PM
No votes were changed, no voting rolls were impacted.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:28 PM
Knock your heels three times and say "collusion is not a crime"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 18 6:11 AM
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Po Boy, there was no intent by the free beacon to take it to the level the democrats took it? You can read the future? That’s such a lame statement. You or anyone for that matter have no clue as to what would have happened, because it never happened. I think that’s called conjecture.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 6:47 AM
LOL, no Fred, I'm stating actual events.

You're correct, "it never happened." THAT's the point. The Free Beacon ended it's efforts with nothing apparently being made public.

It was the Democrat effort that took Steele to Russia and into the political gutter.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 11:54 AM
Po Boy , it’s called reporting. Instead of making things up like say infowars, Steele went to the source. He was a respected agent who dealt with Russia and Russian affairs.so , lol Po Boy, the guy did a thorough job investigating trump and his affairs. Try to delegitimize it any way you’d like. If it comes back unverified, so be it. But at this point in time it seem more true then not.in the end that wasn’t your point.it was a lame deflection, which is ok, it’s your modus ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 12:11 PM
That wasn't reporting, it was fabricated no better than that which you accuse Infowars. More true than not is laughable. Comey called it “salacious” and “unverified.” The only difference is the political ideology of those who lapped it up. Collusion? The DNC paid for information obtained from inside the Russian government as Steele gathered it and used it in an attempt to influence an election.

But all that wasn't at the prompting of the Free Beacon and it wasn't ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 12:51 PM
Po Boy, Comey said Steele was creditable. He stated some of the report seemed creditable.your flat out lying about Comey. I’m beginning to think you just make up your answers, if you don’t agree or the answer doesn’t fit your narrative, you laugh it off. Your wrong.you frame every answer as an absolute, which is far from the truth. Btw, fusion gps ran the investigation, dnc paid for it. You get the horse before the cart.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 1:14 PM
And I quote from Comey's testimony: "I didn't use the term counterintelligence. I was briefing him about salacious and unverified material."

Did or did Comey not say this in your view?

I'm not answering anything Fred merely stating facts which you seem to have a problem with. btw, glad we finally got admission that Democrats paid for their version of the efforts by Fusion GPS...who plead the 5th....btw.

I await your response to my question because i true Democrat fashion, ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 9:04 PM
Po Boy, please try to verify your comments. If one time you post something that isn’t taken out context, altered or a flat out lie , it would be a miracle. Your snippet taken out of context by trumps lap dog Devin Nunes. The brown nose Nunes was trying to prove Comey said the whole dossier was false. Comey was briefing the “ president “ of the salacious parts of the dossier, namely the pee tape. At this point we know trump has no shame or morals, it was an unnecessary point to ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 9:23 PM
To add Fred, I'm in no way discounting other things Comey said referring to the source(Steele) as credible. But Steele's credibility and the credibility of the dossier are two separate issues, Comey even saying himself during the ABC interview that he wasn't sure how much of the information in the dossier checked out. Odd for the head of the FBI to not know that, wouldn't you say?

Comey is a snake when you get right down to it.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 9:25 PM
Good Lord Fred....

Comey said "salacious and unverified material" with his own words, I haven't even mentioned Nunes!!!!
Aug 1, 18 9:30 PM appended by Po Boy
Yeah, sure you're not a Democrat.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 9:30 PM
Po Boy, I mentioned Nunes because it’s relevent . You are taking it out of context.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 9:36 PM
So politifact says this: "The memo suggests that Comey had said the Steele dossier was bunk in its entirety. But that’s not what Comey said."

Not oly have I not mentioned Nunes, I've never once suggested the entire dossier was false, or that certain elements couldn't potentially be true. I do think there is enough garbage in it to refer to it as fake however. Any good smear job has to have an ounce of credibility, so it get's lapped up hook line and sinker.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 9:38 PM
Po Boy, parts of the dossier were verified when he spoke to the president. The pee tape wasn’t, thus the statement.you can have your opinion about Comey, but you’re parroting right wing talking points . The president has led us down this road with his lies , one after another. His main objective at this point is to discredit everyone involved in the ongoing investigation. You took the bait.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 9:42 PM
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Fred, while you deflect down the road of Nunez and the President, I'm sticking with the facts. Comey stated himself during the ABC interview that he wasn't sure how much of the information in the dossier checked out. Odd for the head of the FBI to not know that, wouldn't you say? Further, you've yet to acknowledge Comey actually stated, in Congressional testimony that he referred to the Steele dossier as "salacious and unverified material."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 1:50 AM
Po Boy, this is my last reply on this. You framed your statement to imply Comey was referring to the whole dossier when he said salacious and unverified material. I never said it wasn’t said. It’s on the record of Comey saying it. You were attempting to frame the whole argument around that statement. I never said or implied it wasn’t said. He said it , you took it out of context to bolster your weak or should I say nonexistent argument. I’m done.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 5:42 AM
Facts. The "right wing" kryptonite.

COMEY: The president called me I believe shortly before he was inaugurated as a follow-up to our conversation, private conversation on January the 6th. He just wanted to reiterate his rejection of that allegation and talk about—- he’d thought about it more. And why he thought it wasn’t true. The verified — unverified and salacious parts.


By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 2, 18 6:42 AM
Fred, I simply quoted Comey - twice, if you inferred that on the first one, well, I can't change that one bit. But, I further provide a additional quote which Comey, as the former FBI director, should have knowledge of, paraphrasing, he wasn't sure how much of the information in the dossier checked out. It's odd for the head of the FBI to not know that. And you can't admit to that OR that Comey even made those statements - is beyond baffling.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 12:16 PM
Po Boy, my final answer ( I think I said it like 30 times already) parts were verified. He was speaking of our esteemed presidents alleged peeing tape . He was the fbi director, not Kreskin the great.lets move on to another 3 week long debate.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 12:23 PM
Fred, this is my final answer ( I think I said it like 30 times already), Comey said, what Comey said. You are deducing his state of mind, YOU are not Kreskin. I have never said all the information in the dossier was lacking facts, but the general gist of it qualifies it as FAKE.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 9:32 AM
Can you specify what part of the information in the dossier is proven false?

Since I'm not Fred you're not breaking your promise to stop answering.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 12:09 PM
All readily searchable if you so choose.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 12:23 PM
Leftist logic:

“We HATE Russia and anyone else who would ever meddle in our electoral process!!”

“Oh and Abolish ICE and open the borders!”
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 31, 18 6:41 AM
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You forgot....

We don't like Russia meddling to influence an election, but not taking measures to ensure the integrity of elections that allows illegals to vote, is A-Okay.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:27 AM
Remember all those "millions" of fraudulent votes Trump swore up and down existed?

Remember his voter fraud commission shuttering without a shred of evidence to support that claim?

Oh right, you don't even remember what you wrote last week.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 11:37 AM
Who would remember when they're misquoted.

Until voter rolls are cross referenced to citizenship, the integrity of teh electoral process will remain in question.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 12:03 PM
Po Boy, another bs accusation. Show one reliable source on voter fraud. Chris kobach is not a credible source.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 12:32 PM
"Misquoted" lol. Just reminding you that you asked me to reproduce your entire statement when I already had.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 1:32 PM
You bounce around taking liberties with peoples posts so often, don't fault others when they ask for specifics or pinning you down to a specific thought, so the nonsense can be sufficiently dealt with.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 2:22 PM
LOL, apparently you not remembering what you post is me "taking liberties." Never change, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 2:35 PM
Your reputation precedes itself. Own it.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 2:40 PM
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Ha. Ha HA. HAAHAHAHHHAHAAAHHHAAAAAAA...


Director of Economics at CATO Institute advocates open borders

Jeffrey Miron is director of economic studies at the Cato Institute and the director of undergraduate studies in the Department of Economics at Harvard University. Follow him on Twitter: @jeffreyamiron
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 31, 18 10:41 PM
What does Ha. Ha HA. HAAHAHAHHHAHAAAHHHAAAAAAA...

even mean?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Jul 31, 18 11:25 PM
It means someone didn't take their meds or get a good night's sleep for the past 45 years.

Right Z?
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 12:02 AM
Its is so fun to watch the latest spate of “news” stories predict that the wrath of the resistance will wash away the Republican stain from the Speaker’s Chair in the House, and may even swamp the GOP’s Senate majority. CNN, for example, reports, “Every sign is pointing to a Democratic wave in November.” Unfortunately for the Alt left, this wet dream is based on the claims of discredited forecasters, mercenary pollsters, and roundheel pundits.
Jul 31, 18 6:53 AM appended by joe hampton
The MSM and their pollsters have become nothing more than the American version of Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda, the public relations arm of a corrupt, criminally subversive establishment, whose ability to deceive is rapidly deteriorating. They seem to think even louder and more hysterical hyperbole, more "big lie" tactics, will correct this, but it only speeds up their demise. It seems that many Americans are a lot smarter than they thought.
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 31, 18 6:53 AM
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There is simply no incentive for any Trump voter to tell some angry jerk on the phone who she's voting for. In many areas of the country, being honest about voting for Trump could prove dangerous to your family. Obama lost 1049 seats in 8 years. In 18 mos, they have won back 42. At this rate, they will be at pre-obama levels in 29 years - and they've called that a ''Blue Wave''. Lol.
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Jul 31, 18 6:59 AM
Joe Hampton, I take everything you say as bs anyway. But now your comparing the media to a Nazi propaganda machine? I’d say it’s lame , but it’s par for your course. Criminally subversive? Carry that bucket of trump water, careful you don’t spill any. Your lame accusations are just that lame. Keep believing rush and Alexa jones and hannity . To bad that loser bill o Reilly wasn’t still around. You listen to losers , you end up one. Trump being the biggest liar and loser ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 7:12 AM
Well said even flow. It’s all lies and propaganda to further the agenda. Can’t we all see that by now?
By icecreamman (415), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 7:48 AM
Even flow, don’t post anymore polls then. If you don’t believe them, don’t mention them.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 7:05 AM
On the contrary HHS I've ( as have others ) debunked most of your "facts"...

1. Jews are indigenous to the region known as Palestine. I know it's hard for you to grasp because you hate Jews but that is an actual fact.

2. Hahahaah ok **eye roll**

3. Again there is zero correlation between "Palestinians" and Native Americans .
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Jul 31, 18 9:24 AM
@ Biba

Once again, a non-responsive reply that substantively addresses NONE of the three points that I made*.

And, as usual, being incapable of a rational rejoinder, you allege anti-Semitism.

It is apparent by now that you will never tire of bigoted defamation but it is a continuing surprise that ANYONE can be so dim as to believe that relentless personal aspersion redeems his responses from intellectual bankruptcy.




* "1) The Palestinians are ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 1, 18 8:31 AM
You're wrong. The population of Jerusalem in 1850 BEFORE Zionism, was 15,000 of which 8,000 were Jewish. Also Arabs are not just Muslims, there are Bahai, Druze, Armenian Orthodox, Catholic and other religions currently represented in the Arab population. Not many of them would welcome a Sharia law state that subjects them, and all women, to special legal restrictions.

Now tell us more about how wrong the Supreme Court was in not preventing the Westhampton Beach eruv, and how that is ...more
By dfree (588), hampton bays on Aug 2, 18 6:44 AM
@ dfree

For you lot, to breathe is to defame. Nonetheless, your derogation is appreciated. Readers can place your aspersions beside your bankrupt opinions and decide for themselves whether they are anything more than pusillanimous attempts to cover your ignorant asses.

As Liberals (Liberalism being THE defining political philosophy of our nation) we all believe in the fundamental RIGHT of all peoples to self-determination.

In 1933, Jews made up but 17% of the population ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 2, 18 10:35 AM
All Arabs are not Muslim. Do you think that the Supreme Court did not stop the eruv because they thought that a Feast of San Gennaro sign, a St. Patrick's day sign and the invisible eruv are any problem for our Republic? They are not, but you'r pseudo-intellectual claptrap is. The movement of ethnic populations throughout the 20th Century is the historical fact of the 20th Century -- ask any Hindu from Baluchistan, Buddhist from Tibet or person raised in Hampton Bays of Honduran descent. Or ...more
By dfree (588), hampton bays on Aug 2, 18 2:36 PM
The only people that are going to vote for the democrats are illegals, and the rich people who employee them, dead people, Muslims, perverts and communists. If Republicans can win the midterm elections, Trump will save America for the next generation. That’s how important the midterm elections are this fall.
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Jul 31, 18 12:36 PM
Don't forget that the Democratic candidate for president won a majority of the votes last time around. That's a lot of illegals, rich people, dead people, perverts and communists.

Thanks for your hateful rhetoric!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 31, 18 12:40 PM
Joe Hampton, if this isn’t one of the most idiotic posts ever, it’s a close second. There’s something wrong with you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 12:41 PM
Perry Gershon supports a Medicare for all plan that will cost $32 Trillion Dollars per year - before it's mismanaged and ridden with crime - when our nation will only bring in $34 Trillion per year.

Perry has no way to pay for any of his ideas, but that's fine, he'll never have a chance to implement any.
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Jul 31, 18 12:56 PM
It's $32 trillion over 10 years, not one. Also, you do realize that the existing Medicare program is a form of socialized medical insurance?
Do you wan to abolish Medicare? That's not exactly a vote getter. How about allowing people under 65 years old to "buy into" Medicare at cost? That would be about $500/month with no deductible. Of course, that might cut into the profits of healthcare insurance companies.
By dfree (588), hampton bays on Jul 31, 18 4:16 PM
LMMFAO.

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By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Jul 31, 18 10:33 PM
"Jim Acosta was heckled by attendees."

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The hecklers were right... Fake News CNN does indeed suck.

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By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 31, 18 11:09 PM
What an awesome rally and take that Jim Acosta

Tuesday on CNN’s “Situation Room,” during a live shot before President Donald Trump’s speech at a Tampa rally, the network’s White House correspondent Jim Acosta was heckled by attendees.

The crowd loudly shouted “CNN sucks,” as Acosta said, “You can hear there is a chorus of boos and other chants from this Trump crowd here in Tampa, Florida, saying things like ‘CNN sucks,’ ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Jul 31, 18 11:08 PM
Tommy Robinson freed after winning appeal over contempt of court sentence
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 1, 18 7:45 AM
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27 dan , great news. I’m glad he’s England’s problem. Looks like a major league d-bag.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 8:00 AM
Do you know what he's fighting ? He's not England's "problem". He's trying to fight England's problem.
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 1, 18 8:19 AM
Thanks for the enlightening comment Biba. So he’s fighting against Islam. He is a great guy. Another right wing extremist. We have the same here, the klan , Neo-Nazi s and their ilk. He’s a great man.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 8:33 AM
I don't think you really understand what is actually happening in England . And I'm cool with you labeling me a right wing extremist Islamophobe...See HHS I saved you some time....
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 1, 18 8:53 AM
Tommy Robinson wears masks to rallies, clearly an upstanding lad.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 18 8:57 AM
Here is your Facebook Russian collusion in a nut shell:

Exploit weak minded, ignorant, dolts to "counter protest" Americans first amendment.

This brought anger from real Patriots who want to defend our constitutional rights and brought them out to vote. They voted for Trump.( I did not, I wrote in a candidate)

So the Russians exploited the small minded into action, the Republican and Conservatives responded=Trump.

AND the small minded continue to fall for it...ergo ...more
Aug 1, 18 9:10 AM appended by Bayman3142
George Orwell "1984"
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 1, 18 9:10 AM
Getting shouted down in the public square because you're chanting "blood and soil" is the most American thing ever.

Almost as American as a local government deciding to take down historical monuments that no longer represent them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 1, 18 9:20 AM
ISIS and the Taliban did the same thing. They have/had their war on history, Democrats have theirs.
Aug 1, 18 9:07 PM appended by Po Boy
....Speaking to the second drive-by thought that had nothing to do with Bayman's post.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 1, 18 9:07 PM
Cool story let me know when Antifa blows up a museum. Punching Nazis is patriotic.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 7:57 AM
So you condone violence as a means to repress free speech, albeit vile speech, and claim THAT patriotism?

YOU are part of the problem.

"Getting shouted down in the public square because you're chanting "blood and soil" is the most American thing ever"

Is that all that happened? Or did they deny the right of Americans the ability to peacefully assemble with violence?

Funny how you cherry pick, did BLM respond appropriately to the false narrative that they carry ...more
Aug 2, 18 8:57 AM appended by Bayman3142
Fore, can you not see that what the Russians accomplished isn't winning an election for one party or the other, but driving a violent discord against all America stands for? It's not shame on the left or right, its shame on all who fell for this outrageous scam. And using violence to answer is completely wrong. Let them hold the stupid rally, let the Police do their jobs and identify the wing nuts, then surveillance them and nail them if they act. THATS how it should work, not citizens enforcing what they perceive as wrong.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 8:57 AM
Since you consider Republicans to be Nazis, and have stated as much, you're simply advocating for violence against those who dare disagree with your political views. Your level of hatred has driven you to believe that violence against Republicans is morally justified. I realize you're most likely a blowhard coward, and are offering moral support for those who you hope will commit the violence you crave, but it's a chilling glimpse at the mentality that has driven leftists to commit mass murder repeatedly. ...more
By MoronEliminator (158), Montauk on Aug 2, 18 9:22 AM
Re-read the first amendment. It's about what government is not allowed to do, not private citizens. That's why it starts with "Congress shall make no law..."

Counter-protests of Nazism are patriotic; my statement is limited to this scenario, and not applicable to acts against police or anyone other than proponents of a white ethnostate.

Violent rejection of the genocidal speech is acceptable to me, provided the perpetrators of such violence are not exempt from the legal consequences ...more
Aug 2, 18 9:24 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Hi moron. Violence is NEVER a reasonable response to words? That's just not true. What if the words are "I am going to kill you"? When Nazis chant "blood and soil" that's what I hear.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 9:24 AM
Hi moron. One correction: I never likened Republicans to Nazis. My comments are strictly limited to those chanting "blood and soil" or proposing the establishment of a white ethnostate through forced deportation of non-whites.
Aug 2, 18 9:33 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Bayman, to your append: the question of whether the Trump campaign knowingly accepted or solicited help from a foreign government in a federal election is still under investigation. That is a crime, and should be prosecuted if found, don't you agree? I am also perfectly happy living in a world where Nazis are afraid of being physically assault for publicly proclaiming racist beliefs. Perhaps you are not worried about their existence for some reason but the people whose forceful expulsion from the country they propose (like myself) ARE worried.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 9:33 AM
Great, let's allow Black Panthers, anti-Muslim, nation of Israel, and radical Christians to get punched in the face also.

Sounds like we shouldn't discriminate against any descriminating hate group with violence.

Your perfect world.
Aug 2, 18 11:48 AM appended by Bayman3142
Nation of islam
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 11:48 AM
Have I said we should "allow" it?

Specifically, I said: "Violent rejection of the genocidal speech is acceptable to me, provided the perpetrators of such violence are not exempt from the legal consequences of criminal acts."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 12:00 PM
Batman3142, if you want to compare all these groups to Neo-Nazis and the klan, keep digging. No one is trying to quell dbags like nazis and kkk first Amendment rights . Antifa is meeting the groups violence, using it against them.i myself could care less about the klan or neo nazis rights. Historically these groups main objection was to kill, intimidate and generally not respect groups of people’s existence. If you want to defend them, it’s ok.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 12:01 PM
"Re-read the first amendment."

You are dismissing multiple SCOTUS decisions that say you are incorrect?

Aw, that's adorable.
Aug 2, 18 12:07 PM appended by Po Boy
"So you condone violence as a means to repress free speech, albeit vile speech, and claim THAT patriotism? YOU are part of the problem." Yes, Fore does condone it Bay, yes he is!! It's very typical of Democrats today.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 12:07 PM
Aww Po Boy, your adorable. Keep defending the kkk and Neo-Nazis. Your whole argument is so disingenuous it’s pathetic.trying weasel an argument to fit your lame narrative. Maybe poll the kkk and Neo-Nazis to see what party they are affiliated with. They want intimidation and violence, they get it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 12:15 PM
I will certain keep defending the right of people. I'm in good company with the ACLU and the SCOTUS.

Defending Constitutional rights and having moral indignation are not mutually exclusive of one another.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 12:22 PM
Can you please specify which SCOTUS decisions you refer to and what you think their holdings mean?

If I threaten someone with the intent of suppressing their speech I am charged with a criminal violation, not a constitutional one.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 12:32 PM
Po Boy, your laughable.defending people’s rights. I guess your the man then, right?when I have time I’ll go thru your posts and verifi your a man of the people.in the mean time, thanks for being there for the common man.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 12:37 PM
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By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 8:58 AM
Batman, thanks for the insult, coming from you it means a lot.i have nothing against the religion of Islam. I don’t embrace the Russian doctrine, like the “president “ does. Feel free to insult anytime, it’s enjoyable.i will never defend the kkk or Neo-Nazis. Hate gets what it deserves.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 9:10 AM
Bayman: It's interesting that you're criticizing Fred's reading comprehension when you seemed to think my comments suggested that we should "allow" violence against anyone.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 9:46 AM
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By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 10:35 AM
If you want to quote somebody, do it right:

"Violent rejection of the genocidal speech is acceptable to me, provided the perpetrators of such violence are not exempt from the legal consequences of criminal acts."

That's a pretty big caveat, don't you think?

If a parent kills their child's rapist one can simultaneously find it acceptable and a crime, no?

You also never did answer whether the crime of soliciting or knowingly accepting help from a foreign government ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 10:45 AM
Batman, your right. I’m dumb and have poor comprehension. Thanks for pointing it out again. I didn’t realize you were pointing to Louis Farrakhan. His tiny little group has nothing to say on the big stage. You being way smarter , probably better looking with a bigger truck , nicer looking wife and a dog that can beat up my dog, I appreciate the reply. For now on type real slow in caps so I can follow.thanks for understanding. Forgot to add, really appreciate your condescending attitude ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 10:48 AM
The censors here are so unbelievable, either that or someone needs a blanky and a corner.

@fore

"If you want to quote somebody, do it right:"

I did, let's break it down for you.

"Violent rejection of the genocidal speech is acceptable to me"

YOU accept it, I defined the meaning of such, but apparently the webster's dictionary offends the "moderators" of this site.

Accept, allow, condone. Same difference...but for you, as long as someone does ...more
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 12:37 AM
Ok, then I stand corrected: it is not acceptable, but understandable to me that vocal proponents of genocide be met with violence at the hands of private actors.

Also, I can't help but notice that you would require such a conspiracy between a foreign government and a domestic political campaign to actually "change the vote." For me, and in my understanding of the statute, it's enough that a thing of value was solicited or accepted, for example ad buys or opposition research.

What ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 12:45 AM
I suppose that's as close to an apology for calling me out as I will receive. My reading comprehension skills are not so bad after all.

"Also, I can't help but notice that you would require such a conspiracy between a foreign government and a domestic political campaign to actually "change the vote." For me, and in my understanding of the statute, it's enough that a thing of value was solicited or accepted, for example ad buys or opposition research."

"For me, and in my understanding ...more
Aug 4, 18 10:12 AM appended by Bayman3142
@fore, I do not fear the rounding up if you are referring to Germany 1938. My second ammendment right guarantees that I am able to defend against a tyrannical oppresive government with my right to bear arms. I am sure there are plenty of Americans who would also not let that happen, Republican and Democrat alike. @fred Keyboard commandos like yourself make me giggle.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 10:12 AM
52 U.S. Code § 30121 doesn't make any reference to the impact of such assistance, it simply makes such assistance from a foreign national to a campaign illegal and a knowing acceptance or solicitation renders any domestic participant guilty of conspiracy.

Six-figure ad-buys probably fit the definition of "a thing of value" and I think criminally-obtained e-mails would as well.

You seem to understand that there's a difference between providing such information to a campaign ...more
Aug 4, 18 10:29 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Do you feel fear when you hear Nazis proudly proclaim their support of genocide? If not, is it because you wouldn't be part of the people getting rounded up for forced deportation? Just something to think about, because that fear is real for some.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 10:29 AM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 10:43 AM
Main stream media is on it's knees, gasping for it's final few breaths ... they just don't know it yet

This President has done the whole world a huge service by exposing the agenda driven fake news moguls

I love him for that

President Trump !
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 2, 18 12:08 AM
Did you see the "Dirty Money" episode dedicated to the Prevaricator in Chief?

And the "right wing" has the cogliones to scream "Crooked Hillary". It's be funny, if it weren't so pathetic.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 2, 18 6:38 PM
Using Twitter to speak directly to the public and avoiding the Democrat propaganda machine is brilliant. Well done President Trump!
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 2, 18 6:25 AM
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Lies and falsehoods are propaganda.

Lies and falsehoods are darn near the only things the Liar in Chief tweets.

1 - 1 = 0
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 2, 18 6:33 PM
Last night ,” CNN Chief White House correspondent Jim Acosta said being shouted at by Trump supporters at a rally in Tampa, Florida, last night, “felt like we weren’t in America anymore.”

Wait, people in the public square reveling in their first amendment right to free speech make you feel like you're not in America? Something tells me that you have no idea what America is.The American people spoke the truth: CNN SUCKS as does the rest of the lying leftist media. ...more
Aug 2, 18 6:51 AM appended by Ditch Bum
TRUMP 2020!
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 2, 18 6:51 AM
Are you talking to me? If so, do you realize I'm talking about the folks shouting Nazi slogans? You think they were "reveling in their first amendment right"? Disgusting.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 7:36 AM
Ditch bum, a small group of deranged trump lackeys spoke. Please do not imply all of America is behind the lier in Chief.speak for yourself. If all of America spoke this way about the press, we are headed down the rabbit hole to hell. A small group of people do not constitute the country. Sorry to break the bad news to you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 7:16 AM
I don't know Fred s.......I see a lot of people at his rallies.....Not exactly a "small group".....
So, speak for yourself......
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 11:22 AM
Sturgis, compare trumps rally’s to the population of the country, or voting population. Is it a large crowd? 30 nuts yelling at a journalist isn’t a drop in the bucket.if you think it does, so be it. Why does this remind me of trumps inauguration crowd size?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 11:37 AM
More name-calling in lieu of substance.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 11:42 AM
Ha, notice all the empty rows in that FL venue? Fact: a cousin of mine (who's a model) was paid $100 to attend along with 50 others she knows from her agency and instructed to seek out the cameras and shout anti-media crap.
By June Bug (2210), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 2, 18 3:25 PM
Junebug,
Which empty stands are you talking about? Are you referring to the empty stands nearly 2 hrs before the rally at 5:05 ET when Acosta was heckled?...or are you referring to the stands during the post rally heckling 1 1/2 hrs after the rally ended at 9:35 ET? Aside from both pre and post rally media coverage the stands and standing-room-only appeared to be filled to capacity. I certainly hope your cousin and her friends weren’t the ones seeking out the cameras in the post rally ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 4:36 PM
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By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 7:40 AM
Maybe YOU have an impulse to shout genocidal slogans, but that would be a personal problem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 2, 18 7:43 AM
POLL: TRUMP APPROVAL 50%...
5 POINTS HIGHER THAN OBAMA AT POINT IN PRESIDENCY...
Hispanics boosting numbers...
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 2, 18 2:40 PM
More "right wing" malarkey.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 2, 18 6:30 PM
27dan, five thirty eight has him at 41% approval rating. Rasmussen is consistently 7-8 points higher . That poll is always an outlier.could you post what poll that’s from?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 3:00 PM
@ dfree

Ignorance vies with amnesia and hysteria in your character to create a mindless homunculus scarcely recognizable as human.

Lets review:

1) Liberal political philosophy, upon which OUR country is founded, professes that all individuals have equal rights, particularly the right to political self-determination. The 60%+ of the Muslims in Palestine had that right abrogated by the British who established the Jews (representing but 32% of the population) as ethnoreligious ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 2, 18 6:24 PM
HH: while I agree with a lot of your statements on the Israel topic, I must take issue with your post above (1), Liberal political philosophy is intolerant of dissenting opinion and will shut down any and all not in lockstep with their warped opinions. Carry on
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 2, 18 8:07 PM
Guess you missed the Trump rally in Tampa, LOL.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 6:36 AM
Big fresh, that’s a right wing talking point, not a liberal one. There , I fixed it for you
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 2, 18 8:17 PM
incorrect Fred, just look at PC speech, liberals can't handle those who refuse to play by their rules.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 3, 18 6:14 PM
Right wing radio host indoctrinate. ^^^^^^^^^^
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 7:58 PM
Big fresh, you say pc, I say it’s being decent human being.saying politically correct is a cop out for not wanting to respect others.i liked when the “president”mocked a handicapped reporter, he wasn’t politically correct. He was sad excuse of a person showing human dignity.keep treating it likes it’s an insult to be a decent human being, I won’t.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 8:08 PM
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Tommy Robinson was abused and tortured with the complicity of the British state in his interviews Tommy looked and sounded traumatised. Okay, it wasn't torture in the Elizabethan sense of having your limbs stretched so they come out of their sockets; but it was certainly psychological torture by agents of the British state.Why was he put in a ground floor cell, opposite the prison mosque, which enabled the inmates to spit and throw excrement through his window – to the point where his only ...more
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 3, 18 8:13 AM
why do liberals side with the most hateful people?

birds of a feather!
By Erin 27 E (1124), hampton bays on Aug 3, 18 8:24 AM
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Sure.

That's why the modern Democrat party attracts neo-nazis and Klan members.

Do you listen to yourself?
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 7:38 PM
Erin27, you and dan27 both project an image to be such loving and caring people. I applaud your concern for the right wing hate spreading nut job in England . You truly are loving people. Damn the liberals.keep up the good fight, what we need are more hate mongers.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 8:40 AM
I don't think you're aware of what Tommy Robinson is fighting. I have a cousin that lives in London. It's not good.
I find it amusing that people like you Fred, fight against intolerance yet ironically the people you care SO much about are some of THE most intolerant people on the planet
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 10:44 AM
This is a straw man: we know what Tommy Robinson stands for whereas Sturgis is relying on a vast generalization of all muslims as "THE most intolerant people on the planet."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 10:47 AM
Is there an echo in here?

Yes, that's precisely the vast (and grotesque) generalization I was talking about.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 11:01 AM
Sturgis, he’s no different then Richard Spencer. I refuse to identify with white supremist or white nationalist. You can if you want, I won’t. Ever think to wonder why so many from the Middle East are headed to Europe? None of this is happening in a vacuum.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 11:13 AM
Wow you are clueless ...Were you aware of the fact that the Middle East was not always predominately Muslim ? Do you know how it became predominately Muslim ? This mass migration was happening long before ISIS et al. You have NO idea what's going on. Again the most intolerant people on the planet expect everyone else to tolerate them. Classic.
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 11:29 AM
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Sturgis again relies on a vast (and grotesque) generalization about how a billion and a half people think. Classic.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 11:46 AM
Sturgis is actually correct. Clearly you don't understand that there is no moderate VS extreme in Islam. Islam is just Islam. I understand that this fact upsets you but I didn't make the rules.....
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 3, 18 4:10 PM
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That's an incredibly narrow view that doesn't account for the factual existence of different sects of Islam (*gasp* just like Christianity and Judaism!) and frankly sounds like something someone who doesn't know any Muslim people would say.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 3, 18 4:51 PM
Funny thing..."knowing" a Muslim doesn't change facts. Islam is Islam. The end.
Aug 3, 18 5:55 PM appended by Biba
FBHG familiarize yourself with the Memorandum issued by the Muslim Brotherhood in the mid 1990's... as far as I'm concerned this is scarier than ISIS...at least with ISIS what you see is what you get. Taqiyya
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 3, 18 5:55 PM
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Some notable Muslim-Americans: Hillary’s Chief of Staff Huma Abedin (no Weiner or Benghazi comments please), Farah Pandith who promoted Middle East diplomacy under both the GW Bush and Obama administrations, sports figures such as Muhammed Ali, Shaquille O’Neal , Hakeem Olajuwon, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and Mike Tyson (a Trump supporter who at one time employed Donald Trump to be his financial advisor...no comments please), architect/engineer Fazlur Rahman Khan whose contributions to high ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 8:11 PM
Biba: if I made that same statement about jews and Judaism, would you call me an anti-semite?

Does that trigger any cognitive dissonance?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 12:46 AM
No because the difference is I’m stating facts.
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 4, 18 10:23 AM
Your generalizations about 1.8 billion members of one religion are facts but another's generalizations about 14.5 million members of a different religion are hateful garbage?

You should be feeling some discomfort holding those conflicting views, but I concede that it's equally likely you simply choose to ignore it in favor of blind dogmatic belief.
Aug 4, 18 10:38 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Coincidentally, that's the same blind dogmatic belief held by some, but not all, adherents of Islam!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 10:38 AM
Sturgis, yes I’m clueless. Your posting about some English white nationalist and defending him?if that’s who you want to identify with, have at it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 11:56 AM
Where are all the immigrants?
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 12:20 PM
The “illegal ones” are at the job I lost because the client didn’t want to pay for “legal” payroll overhead.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 12:34 PM
Slime, we are a country of immigrants, go look in the mirror. That will be one.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 12:25 PM
**** RECORD 155,965,000 EMPLOYED ****

JULY JOBS: +157,000...
Manufacturing +37,000...
Hispanic unemployment record low...

Thank God we elected a REAL President! USA USA USA


Thank God Hillary ISNT our president!! USA USA USA MAGA !
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 3, 18 2:09 PM
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Trade deficit jumps 7% in June.
Federal budget deficit to reach 1 Trillion Dollars by 2020.
But that's OK, the fabulously wealthy got a tax cut.
Reagan's tax cuts ballooned the deficit, Bush's tax cuts ballooned the deficit and now trump's tax cuts have super ballooned the deficit.
What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
By bird (736), Sag Harbor on Aug 3, 18 6:16 PM
Trade deficit jumps 7% in June.
Federal budget deficit to reach 1 Trillion Dollars by 2020.
But that's OK, the fabulously wealthy got a tax cut.
Reagan's tax cuts ballooned the deficit, Bush's tax cuts ballooned the deficit and now trump's tax cuts have super ballooned the deficit.
What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
By bird (736), Sag Harbor on Aug 3, 18 6:16 PM
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Deficit spending is only OK when Republicans do it.

It's so they can stimulate the economy, LMAO...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 7:39 PM
No, it's not.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 9:26 AM
May God Bless Donald Trump, the USA, Israel and Lee Zeldin, Wikileaks, Brett Kavanaugh and Kim Duk-koo
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 5:18 PM
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Slime, you forgot Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 5:23 PM
Weak sauce Fred.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 3, 18 6:17 PM
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Todd Kincannon, former GOP executive director, believes himself to be the "Second Coming" and sacrificed his dog "to the Lord".

You can't make this **** up.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 7:41 PM
It was funny.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 3, 18 6:20 PM
Trump Administration: Thanks for your service, but we're still deporting your wife who should be a citizen via marriage anyway.

Break a few eggs, eh?
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 3, 18 7:50 PM
The MSM is "Gaslighting" the President and his supporters.. They show no respect, and portray everything he's doing or has done as evil. They target us as his supporters by berating us. The attacks have being
coordinated and they are relentless. We who support the President, should be aware of what these evil bast44rds are doing. Thank God only the gullible are buying their lies and misinformation.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Aug 4, 18 7:20 AM
The MSM is "Gaslighting" the President and his supporters.. They show no respect, and portray everything he's doing or has done as evil. They target us as his supporters by berating us. The attacks have being
coordinated and they are relentless. We who support the President, should be aware of what these evil bast44rds are doing. Thank God only the gullible are buying their lies and misinformation.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Aug 4, 18 7:20 AM
Thanks for your hateful and divisive rhetoric!
Aug 4, 18 9:50 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Have we noticed a pattern about who spouts such rhetoric yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 9:50 AM
Did you notice the pattern yet, PW?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 10:12 AM
Thank you president Trump for making America great again
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 3, 18 8:27 PM
@ Biba

Quote:


"[1] Funny thing...'knowing' a Muslim doesn't change facts. Islam is Islam. The end.

[2] FBHG familiarize yourself with the Memorandum issued by the Muslim Brotherhood in the mid 1990's... as far as I'm concerned this is scarier than ISIS...at least with ISIS what you see is what you get. [3]Taqiyya"
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1) Is Judaism Judaism? Is every Jew a Far-Right, Likudnik fanatic?

2) The Muslim Brotherhood ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 4, 18 12:21 AM
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MSNBC and CNN are the extreme examples of left wing propaganda machines. They lie and deceive on a regular basis and now because Trump is saying what they do is causing them grief is insanity. They are attacking our nation from within with lies and deceptions that is undeniable. Now they are attacking Trump for telling the truth on what they are undeniably doing. Liberalism is a truly mental illness with no hope of ever being relevant.
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 4, 18 7:13 AM
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They call me, and your ramblings are some how “normal”? You spout some of the craziest stuff on here. If liberalism is mental illness, what you have is off the charts.keep defending lies with more lies.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 7:28 AM
The attacks on our President are feeding into the Russians efforts to divide our country....don't you get it? The left is doing exactly what Putin wants. DUH!!!!
By Taz (510), East Quogue on Aug 4, 18 9:57 AM
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Putin didn't have to tell us Trump is an awful person, he's been proving it for decades.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 10:12 AM
Is that why Democrats cozied up to him?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 9:25 AM
To Trump? I imagine because they wanted campaign contributions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 3:16 PM
And from such an "awful person" no less.

If it weren't for double standards, Democrats would have no standards at all.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:23 PM
What's the double standard? His money was just as green as anyone's.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 6:08 AM
Democrat Trump = good.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 10:03 AM
Who said he was good? Can't a bad person's money be used to do good things?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 10:07 AM
Democrats said he was good.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 12:12 PM
If only they knew then what we know now.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 12:25 PM
He was welcomed even as candidate Trump by Democrats when they thought he didn't have a chance in hell.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 1:08 PM
Trump =bad. Democrat or republican
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 1:13 PM
Not so. He was openly welcomed on late night shows when he was candidate Trump....before they thought he had a chance to win.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 9, 18 8:32 AM
Bad people get invited to late night shows too.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 1:15 PM
Po Boy, no one thought he’d turn into the nitemare that he is. I know his base doesn’t think so, but a majority of America thinks so.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 1:24 PM
What exactly is the nightmare? Seems like he's doing a pretty darn good job, especially in the face of incessant negative and unsubstantiated press.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 11:37 AM
Po Boy, trump is always playing the victim, he’s done it his entire life. Poor little rich kid. He whines and lies about everything. I give him credit for something, he’s created a whole industry of fact checking his bs.he keeps them fully employed and working constantly. Poor trump.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 12:01 PM
Very specific, thanks Fred.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 2:38 PM
The process of settlement is a “Civilization-Jihadist process” with all the word means. The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and
“sabotaging” it’s miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers.
We must possess a mastery of the art of ‘coalitions’, the art of ‘ABSORPTION’ and the principals of ‘cooperation’

Tatatataqqqqqiiiyyya....

Much ...more
Aug 4, 18 11:36 AM appended by Biba
Hahahaha nope FBHG
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 4, 18 11:36 AM
"All people of X religion are the same, but all the people of Y religion are independent, thinking human beings."

That's you right now.
Aug 4, 18 11:39 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
If not, then why'd you run away from our prior conversation? Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling, so I don't blame you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 11:39 AM
@ Biba

Yet more mindless ignorance, repeating the distortions of which you have been corrected over-and-over-and-over-and-over-and-over-again.

The "Civilization Jihad" narrative is vacuous, prejudiced poop peddled by Ben Carson which originated with the Center for Security Policy (CSP), an organization run by Frank Gaffney that has been designated as a hate group. OY!

"Jihad" means "struggle". It can be spiritual or physical.

"Ikhwan" means "brothers".

The ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 4, 18 1:27 PM
This is all true HHS. We readily admit that some muslims are violent criminals, why is Biba so resistant to the possibility that some are perfectly decent human beings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 1:36 PM
Trump Derangement Syndrome is on full display here by our unhinged Democrat Party faithful. It boggles the mind that they are so blinded by hatred of President Trump that they fail to see the good thing happening in our great nation, business is booming , taxes are down and unemployment is low, if the failed Messiah , Barak Hussein Obama had these numbers the left would be ecstatic .
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 4, 18 11:40 AM
Congratulations to POTUS on his recent GDP numbers; they were so good that they were only exceeded four times by the previous administration.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 4, 18 11:48 AM
Where you exalting the "failed messiah'" when unemployment went from 10% to 4.7%, with seventy five straight months of job growth.
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 11:50 AM
Big fresh, so just disregard the “presidents” despicable behavior? I’m not a Democrat, I find his rhetoric way over the top. Assaulting the press is page one in the despots handbook.im happy about the economy, Obama gave him the car, he just has to put gas in it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 12:15 PM
President Trump has spoken out against fake news, not the media in general, the MSM has declared war on him and his presidency and is using every means at their disposal in their attempt too bring him down. He has the testicular fortitude to fight back against them. What "despicable behavior" are you referring to Fred? Please be specific, thanks. Barak Hussein Obama ran the car out of gas right before it coasted into a ditch , President Trump pulled it out and we're on the right road again, sorry ...more
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 4, 18 2:36 PM
Should Trump go down, he brought it upon himself.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 4, 18 10:21 PM
Bigfresh, I’ll start with the birther movement that the “president “ started. It was a racially biased attempt to discredit Obama when he was running for president and in the presidency. Trying to discredit him because he was black or thought to be a Muslim was pretty despicable. I started with birther thing because you identify with it. It’s sunday so I’m only posting a short retort. I’ll give more despicable behavior reports daily. To discredit someone because ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 12:14 PM
Classic liberal move Fred, the RACE CARD! YAAAAAAAWN. It seems you are one of those leftists who see any criticism of Barak Hussein Obama as being race based, carry on.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 5, 18 5:30 PM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 6:35 AM
There was a question about where Barak Hussein Obama was born , nothing to do with His race, the left made it about race when they deemed any criticism of Him had to be based on race.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 6, 18 6:49 AM
Bigfresh, the only people who believed in the whole birther deal were trying to delegitimize Obama. It was a lame excuse . You can frame it how ever you’d like, or just excuse it like you did above.it doesn’t matter, what’s done is done. Everyone involved tipped their hand to exactly how they felt about a black man running for president. In essence he was only half black, I wonder if his white half was a citizen?the birther movement was an ugly episode in American history, your ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 7:09 AM
The TRUTH is that Barak Hussein Obama, the first half black President of the USA is a flaming liberal whose vision for America was anathema to many Americans. It didn't matter what His race , he is a Marxist , intent on destroying the America we all know and love. Only the left made it about race , as you continue to do.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 6, 18 7:45 PM
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Bigfresh, one thing I like about you, you always use caps for effect. TRUTH, FACT, unfortunately when you use them it’s far from the truth. They are your truths and facts. Obama bought us out of a recession, trump adopted a strong economy.your crazy accusation of him wanting to destroy America is a very outlandish statement.He was elected twice by a majority, more then can be said about the current “president “.you have a very high regard for trump, he lies daily, a man of very ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 8:12 PM
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I'll take the capitalist over the Marxist as President any day.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 7, 18 6:08 AM
For me it's less important what buzz word the president calls himself and more important what the resulting cost/standard of living is.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 6:17 AM
Bigfresh, I’ll take the stability of Obama over the unhinged trump any day. Trumps lies and deceit are catching up with him. Keep pumping up that flat tire.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 6:44 AM
Obama was a sock puppet for George Soros, a creation of the alt left designed to "fundamentally change" America , thank God He didn't get all He wanted. Look at Obamacare, "If you like your plan you can keep your plan , if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor" , we were allegedly going to se a 2K decrease in premiums. That was a bold faced lie! My wife and I now pay $1.540.00 per month for Empire Blue , silver plan and some providers are no longer accepting it. Because of Obamacare everyone ...more
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 7, 18 7:04 AM
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Bigfresh, trumps first day in office he was gonna abolish Obamacare, what happened to that? Trumps new health care initiative is what? Trumps whole policy is just to do away with anything Obama did. Wait till we have offshore drilling off the coast. More coal being mined and burned. Knocking down mpg regs on cars. Yes the “president “ is bringing us back to 1962, he’s a genius. As usual the republicans cut taxes for the wealthy, raising the deficit. The laffer curve is just that, ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 7:24 AM
We all benefitted from the tax cut Fred, that is any of us that actually work for a living! Your failed Messiah , Barak Hussein Obama raised the deficit more than any president in modern history, did you whine about that? Trickle down works here and works well, our local economy thrives because of the wealthy folks who choose to own a second , or third home on the beautiful Ease End. Not whining about health care, my beef is with health INSURANCE , those are two things the left conflates, get it ...more
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 7, 18 4:48 PM
Make sure you keep repeating the factoid about the Obama deficits while it's still true.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 5:10 PM
Media news is a business and not a public service. The # 1 objective in any business is to maximize profits for its shareholders even at the risk of being deemed a propaganda machine. Both Liberal and Conservative biased attacks in the media sell, resulting in record profits for networks such as CNN in 2016/2017. This is where CNN and other news media fail the public, both conservatives and liberals alike. The only ones not being failed are the shareholders. Board decisions driven by fiduciary ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 3:19 PM
Any comment from the media? my thought is:Really?
By summertimegal (90), southampton on Aug 4, 18 6:14 PM
Let me Rephrase: It was once considered a journalist’s public service role to inform the electorate with impartiality, objectivity, and truth in order to foster democracy. Without making too broad of a generalization, corporate forces have undermined this principle to a degree. My statement was not intended to be a slur on journalists or the press, my apologies if it did, rather, it was intended to illustrate that fiduciary responsibilities to shareholders, at times, are in conflict with ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 4, 18 6:31 PM
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@fred s.

You make me giggle when you talk tough. So cute.
Aug 5, 18 1:06 AM appended by Bayman3142
LMFAO!
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 1:06 AM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 12:05 PM
Pro-Islamic State media outlet calls for BIOLOGICAL ATTACKS in the West, posters depict San Francisco
By Pamela Geller - on August 4, 2018
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 5, 18 2:35 AM
@ Ditch Bum

Infamous Jewish Islamaphobe Pamela Geller repeats an entirely unattributed, largely incoherent polemic by "somebody" (but identified as a "Pro-ISIS Media Outlet" [without further clarification]) which appeared in the pro-Israeli propaganda organ (MEMRI) that habitually disseminates English translations of the most lunatically deranged exemplars of extremist Arabic hate speech that it can find without regard to who authored them.

MEMI prefaced its "report" with a crude ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 5, 18 10:10 AM
9/11 and how Muslims treat women and infidels is enough proof for most rational individuals
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 7:01 PM
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If frank gaffney and Pam geller had a baby, it would look like Steve Bannon and act like Richard Spencer. It would have all attributes of all of them with some trump thrown in, kinda like rosemarys baby, but uglier and meaner.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 12:19 PM
Anti Semitism alive and well
You people are SICK !!!
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 5, 18 1:18 PM
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Biba, your all for Pam geller and frank gaffney, and we’re sick?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 2:11 PM
Yes Fred...clearly we disagree...shocker
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 5, 18 5:45 PM
I find in life, there is a very thin line between sickness and stupidity. The stupidity comes from a lack of comprehension and a "diarrhea of the mouth". Can you understand?

MAYBE IF I SPOKE MORE SLOWLY IN ALL CAPS.
Aug 5, 18 5:42 PM appended by Bayman3142
YES!!! MR. DIARRHEA OF THE MOUTH COMMENTED ON MY POST!!! THANKS HAT. TRY PEPTO YOU SORE LOSER YOU.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 5, 18 5:42 PM
@ Bayman3142

Quote:

"I find in life, there is a very thin line between sickness and stupidity. The stupidity comes from a lack of comprehension and a "diarrhea of the mouth". Can you understand?"
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Of course we can. We all do. We've all read your exemplary posts.
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 5, 18 7:01 PM
Still playing chess with pigeons I see.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 6, 18 8:57 PM
What? Do you want me to embarrass you again?

Apr 21, 18 @HHS

"Apologies. My statement about county/town taxes was a misconception. Taxes might, indeed, be higher. However, we would only know how much higher when an actual county tax bill were presented to residents including the assumption by Suffolk County of patrol duties."


Let's not display your ignorance and poor investigative skills again.

You need a blanky and a corner to feel safe again, don't come ...more
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 12:15 AM
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The New York Times is under fire after excusing Sarah Jeong, its newest editorial hire, for numerous anti-white sentiments — exposing the paper’s double standards when it comes to firing new employees over old, controversial tweets.
The New York Times‘ communications department announced on Wednesday that Jeong will be joining the editorial board as part of a “fab group of recent additions” to the paper’s opinions section in September... Is it any wonder that ...more
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Aug 6, 18 1:07 AM
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By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 6:22 AM
To SDG1776

Thank you for that fantastic list. However you failed to mention a few individuals on that list are open anti Zionist and anti Israel which is inherently, anti Semitic. Will devout Muslims support the US Constitution ? Many Muslims consider it Haram if a Muslim member of the US Military is called to fight against a Muslim nation. I've always wondered why so many black athletes , celebrities and inmates convert to Islam.

Oh Silly HHS

Jihad ALSO means a struggle ...more
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 6, 18 8:23 AM
Are you open to the possibility that, just as some muslim people are violent criminals, some are perfectly decent human beings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 8:45 AM
To Biba:
Although it is wrong to generalize or make assumptions, if I had to take an educated stab as to why the conversions by African American celebrities including sports figures, musicians , etc to Islam, it is probably more about achieving cultural and intellectual self-realization and self-consciousness with lesser emphasis placed on Islam’s more literal ideologies, a more modernist approach to Islam, although I’m certain that each has his/her own reasons.

And yes, ...more
Aug 6, 18 3:15 PM appended by SDG1776
Correction: Haram not Hamas..auto spell correct didn’t recognize the word!
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 3:15 PM
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Fun reading all your opinions.
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 7, 18 7:11 AM
To Biba:

Opinions, I agree...so maybe something a bit more factual:

Many conversions by African-Americans to Islam are due to their desire to re-connect with that cultural DNA that was stripped from them during the slave-trade period, with Islam flourishing in Africa, and being “forced” to accept Christianity.

The Mohammedans, as they were referred to in Colonial America, many having served in the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War, also gave ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 7:30 AM
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@ Biba

I’ll throw this out there to you:
The American Islamic Forum for Democracy’s mission statement:
“...mission is to advocate for the preservation of the founding principles of the United States Constitution, liberty and freedom...”. I think I saw the word Constitution somewhere in there....

AIFD also deems the Islamist ideology of “ummah” which is the “Haram” you referred to as being a “false narrative that Muslims ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 11:31 AM
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@ Biba

Unsubstantiatable, prejudiced opinion and casuistry - - - and wholly irrelevant in the face of the reality that the majority of the inhabitants of Palestine were deprived of their human right to self-determination by the imposition of an ethnoreligious hegemony against their will by a foreign power.

So tell us, Biba, when you signed over your house to the Shinnecock Indians in accord with your stated belief that ancestral occupation determines current possessory rights (i.e. ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 6, 18 9:38 AM
Unsubstantiatable , prejudiced opinion and casuistry ...yep you perfectly described all of your posts...

Irrelevant ??? Not exactly. No one was deprived of their right to self determination. The Arabs that call themselves "Palestinians" were duped by other Arabs.

A Palestinian state could have existed on 5/14/1948 but the Arabs put the kibosh on that when they refused to share with the legitimately indigenous Jews , and attacked the reborn state.

Besides it's obvious ...more
Aug 6, 18 3:57 PM appended by Biba
Forgot to add....I don't own a home ...perhaps my landlord will be interested in returning his land. Perhaps if YOU return YOUR home it will alleviate some of your misplaced guilt ?
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 6, 18 3:57 PM
Opposing views in the form of political media-bias that stimulate thought, inducing both constructive and positive change, without promoting divisiveness, is a truly wonderful concept “only” when the media outlet is devoid of biased attacks, ridicule, political motive, the “I just ate sour grapes” facial expressions, and the constant littering of subjective-injected emotionally loaded/tinsel adorned phrases which is pretty much inherent to all news.. Let’s see if Trump ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 11:36 AM
Alex Jones has the same 1st Amendment rights as any other American! Shame on Apple and Facebook. Boycott them.

The truth nowadays is:

Reality speech = Hate speech.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Aug 6, 18 11:49 AM
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Modern day book burning... How about we ban the New York Times from publication for their racial hatred of their newest employee Sarah Jeong. Is this not the most blatant form of hate speech? Hang in there Alex the left is going down a rabbit hole quickly !
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Aug 6, 18 11:53 AM
Isn't Alex Jones the guy who accuses the Sandy Hook parents of being crisis actors?

That's a real winner you folks support.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 12:08 PM
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WTF ??? Candace Owens swaps “White for Jewish” In Sarah Jeong tweet, gets suspended !!!

She was immediately suspended from Twitter as a result Conservative activist Candace Owens quoted newly hired New York Times’ writer Sarah Jeong’s anti-white tweets but replaced “white” with “Jewish” to show how such comments would never be tolerated if it was any other race in the crosshairs.
She was immediately suspended from Twitter as a result.
Aug 6, 18 12:09 PM appended by Ditch Bum
Ministry of Truth ?
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 12:09 PM
So now we are going to advocate the violation of an idiots first amendment rights ?
By local 84 (333), riverhead on Aug 6, 18 12:14 PM
On the contrary: Any idiot can exercise free speech without fear of government interference, they're just not entitled to the use of private platforms.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 12:29 PM
seems to me you would be holding a much different opinion if such a "private platform" was under the control of alt right ownership. but i do agree with what you are saying just make dam sure you remember it down the road. it is a 1984 slippery slope you are standing up for mr. fore.


and i think you know it .
Aug 6, 18 12:47 PM appended by Erin 27 E
i have had an i phone for 10 years and i am very aware they don't care about losing my business but have made up my mind to switch to a yuk android device this morning. in the face of such hypocrisy and in good conscience you have shown me, it is just what i must do!
By Erin 27 E (1124), hampton bays on Aug 6, 18 12:47 PM
Putting aside my indifference toward the absence of liberal politics on, say, Breitbart or Fox News, I commend your choice to vote with your wallet and your move to the vastly-superior Android operating system. If you want any tips I'm happy to help!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 1:06 PM
It is high time to bust up certain big tech firms. They do not exist to foist their political opinions upon the masses.
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 6, 18 12:55 PM
Conservatives: get the government out of the private sector!

Also conservatives: the government should break up companies whose editorial choices we disagree with!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 1:15 PM
Most left leaning news sites do not allow comments. You do the math!

There are also such things as anti trust laws in this country remember the lessons of the past Big Oil the Railroads Ma Bell to list a few

The Koch Bros, Suckerberg and Timmy Cook are ten times more dangerous to freedom than Ford, Carnegie or Rockefeller were.
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 1:43 PM
You think Facebook has a monopoly on social media?

Well, I envy anyone who isn't old enough to remember ICQ/Geocities/Friendster/Myspace/Digg.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 1:52 PM

This is getting insane. Listen, I don't always agree with sites like Info Wars, nor do I agree with everything any conservative or liberal believes, but this is outright censorship. And to any conservative who defends this because "Alex Jones is a crazy conspiracy theorist," you're next. Folks like Ben Shapiro, who is called a Nazi by the left, is next. David French is next. You're all next. This is only the beginning. You either fight now or you won't have a voice to fight with.
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 6, 18 1:04 PM
The Southampton Press is not required to publish your letter to the editor and YouTube is not required to publish your video, I can't believe that's so hard to understand.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 1:17 PM
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I wish I could agree with you on this Fore1gnBornHBgrown. DB is right we have anti trust laws in this country for a reason and this move just does not sit right with me. Moves like this are not American, It reeks of collusion and could be used against our personal points of view in the future just as easy. No ones voice should be systematically snuffed out simultaneously across multiple platforms owed by different company's. This is ugly in its very nature.and just as bad as what the DNC and Hillary ...more
By local 84 (333), riverhead on Aug 6, 18 1:51 PM
True enough, the Constitution doesn't guarantee a megaphone for speech but it does guarantee every American, the right to free speech. The "requirement" isn't the issue. When content is banned for either A) political leanings, B) Done so in context of a double standard when similar postings are permitted, or C) Done so under the guise of hate speech, when it isn't, is a slippery slope for any media or information sharing medium in a so-called free society.



By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 1:52 PM
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Local 84, anti trust laws are mainly to break up monopolies. Aren’t there other social media platforms?. I think Facebook is trying to “catch” up to itself in the fast moving tech world.im not commenting on deleting guys like Alex Jones, I just think it was such a fast growth, no one knew what the outcome would be.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 2:50 PM
Po: that's as close as you've come to admitting that the First Amendment doesn't protect speech from the actions of private actors.

Show me the state action in the ban of Alex Jones and I'll unfurl a banner alongside you.

Until then, behold ye who jones for Jones: alternatives to Facebook and YouTube abound. Know how they can challenge the supremacy of the big boys? By convincing you to lend them your eyeballs and mouse clicks!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 3:11 PM
You are the Grand Dragon of mischaracterization. "Admitting" is more of your typically disingenuous editorial liberties.

As you well recall, THAT conversation was about the right to make (hate) speech and as previously pointed out, the SCOTUS is well on record saying you're full of yourself.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 4:08 PM
Wrong: that conversation wasn't about hate speech and when I asked which cases you referred to suddenly you went awol, as I fully expect to happen here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 6:09 PM
You are wrong. The conversation you are referring to was about concealed carry; where i responded to your request, but not to your apparent satisfaction. Sucks to be you. This issue above deals with the first amendment where you have stated something to the effect didn't cover the KKK, harping over and over that the first amendment only covered speech impacted by the government, citing "Congress shall make no law..." i repeatable noted SCOTUS defense of hate speech by groups such as the KKK, as ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 7:42 PM
I dared you to find me a single case of a private actor being charged with a violation of the first amendment. You can't because there's no such thing.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 8:14 PM
Oh, assuming that's true, you're asking me to provide you with something I've never asserted or argued for/against.

I see. No wonder why I ignored you.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 8:26 PM
I said: Re-read the first amendment. It's about what government is not allowed to do, not private citizens. That's why it starts with "Congress shall make no law..."

In response, you said: You are dismissing multiple SCOTUS decisions that say you are incorrect?

As long as we're now clear that private actors, among them Antifa, cannot be charged with violating anyone's first amendment right to free speech, it doesn't really matter what your misunderstanding was before.

Now ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 8:36 PM
Very good! And what was the focus of the conversation before you went off on a tangent asserting (I guess) that I said Antifa was violating the KKK's first amendment right when all I've ever said, are they're both hatefilled groups, while you defend Antifa.

LOL...you're a freakin' broken record for a guy it makes no difference to while inferring state of mind of someone, but then again, you're a Democrat.


Aug 6, 18 8:55 PM appended by Po Boy
"Cops and Klan go hand in hand." shouts Antifa as they go violent once again this weekend!!! You must be so proud.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 8:55 PM
And where is the part about "I dared you to find me a single case?"

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 9:01 PM
Specifically: "Can you please specify which SCOTUS decisions you refer to and what you think their holdings mean?

If I threaten someone with the intent of suppressing their speech I am charged with a criminal violation, not a constitutional one."

And then you went *poof* as you're wont to do. It's just a few lines up if you want to re-read the whole thing. I'm just glad you understand that neither the KKK nor Antifa can be charged with violations of the first amendment.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 9:10 PM
When EASILY searchable information comes into play, don't hold it against the rabbit if it doesn't want to go down the rabbit hole, because that is the game you play.

"I'm just glad you understand...." LOL. Again with the assertion of nothing I've asserted. POOF!
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 10:31 PM
So, we go...

From cross burning to funeral protests, hate speech enjoys broad protection
Richard Wolf, USA TODAY Published 4:52 p.m.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 10:34 PM
So you're still unclear about whether individuals can be charged with violations of the first amendment?

Hate speech certainly receives constitutional protection, but only from the government.

State action is actually an element of all constitutional violations except one...can you tell the class which is the only amendment that private citizens can be found guilty of violating?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 10:50 PM
While you request something I've never asserted, adding faux assertion upon faux assertion and peacocking for the class in the process, I say, blah blah blah blah blah.

"Hate speech certainly receives constitutional protection, but only from the government."

To this I say: "In a series of cases dating back to the 1960s, the high court has struck down restrictions on so-called "hate speech" unless it specifically incites violence or is intended to do so."



You ...more
Aug 6, 18 11:09 PM appended by Po Boy
"the class"...LOL... Good Lord the arrogance....is that it...are you holding class ....teach?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:09 PM
Noting....

You glossed right over, "Cops and Klan go hand in hand." shouts Antifa as they go violent once again this weekend!!! You must be so proud."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:45 PM
That's right Po, the fourteenth amendment is the only one that private citizens can be found guilty of violating.

I'm glad we cleared up that confusion.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 6:13 AM
"I'm glad we cleared up that confusion."

LOL, no, you're clearly still confused. Having a conversation with yourself. Incessantly harping on something I've never engaged in. Defending a violent radical element of the Democrat party, is a good indication.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 10:01 AM
Did I defend Antifa, or suggest that they should be subject to arrest and prosecution for any criminal acts?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 10:09 AM
You are certainly on the record from a legal perspective.

How about Antifa's despicable conduct? You've certainly danced around the issue alluding to they are somehow morally superior than other hate groups because they're hatred is based on their "ideas" rather than hatred based on skin color.

So what is your view of Antifa's violent, assaultive and bigoted actions? I happen to think Antifa and the KKK are equally abhorrent.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 11:53 AM
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That was an almost-perfect re-statement:

I think Antifa's motivation is morally superior to the KKK's because instead of choosing their opponents based on immutable characteristics like race, Antifa opposes those who hold objectionable ideas (like promoting genocide).

Their actions, however, are often not morally superior, that's why individuals who act criminally should be held accountable.

Nevertheless, it's understandable to me why mere words (like promoting genocide) ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 12:24 PM
So, Antifa is no better than the fascists they say they're against based on what they deem to be "objectionable ideas," like being a Trump supporter, but you think violent and bigoted hate is graded on a curve where it's bad, but not as bad as another brand of hate.

The criticism of Antifa is lost in your defense of Antifa. Glad we could clear that up.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 1:27 PM
You fail to separate motivations from actions. I defend the motivations of one group and not the other, but criticize criminal actions committed by both. In any event, promoting genocide begets violence and violence begets criminal justice, no surprise or qualms here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 2:09 PM
Noted is the continued absence of any denouncing of Antifa aside from the legal ramifications of its typical violence.

Unfortunately Fore the very premise of condoning of motivations is full of holes, conveniently ignoring who Antifa really is. Antifa's very foundation is bigoted violence. I'm not ok with that, and if you are, you are part of the problem. And because you support Antifa's motivations you are apparently ok with hatred and violence just because someone is a Trump supporter. ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 4:14 PM
I will continue to denounce criminal acts, even while sympathizing with the motivations behind them.

You're mischaracterizing my position when you say I'm OK with violence, but what else is new?

Also, where did you get your information on "who Antifa really is" or
the assertion that their "very foundation is bigoted violence"?

In any event, if you see Antifa as equal to white nationalist groups it doesn't cost me any sleep: one supports genocide and the other violently ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 5:09 PM
"Cops and the KKK go hand in hand", right Fore?

Bigotry is the intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. You don't think the blanket hatred of Trump supporters qualifies as bigotry? Sure it does. By definition.

Like Antifa, you latch on to the low hanging fruit offered by the KKK and use it to justify a host of other hatred, because you agree with it.

btw, what's with all the smashing of windows and burning of cars by Antifa?

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 9:01 PM
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Ah, so you think Antifa opposes anyone with different views? My understanding is that they oppose people with particular views: those that promote fascism.

Smashing windows and burning of cars is criminal activity that should be condemned.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 6:20 AM
LMAO... not exactly different views, just views they disagree in their ideologue agenda. You're hitting on the marketing element. Sounds great on the surface, but it goes much much deeper.

So, why then does Antifa shout "Cops and the KKK go hand in hand?"

I guess the police promote fascism?

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 9:30 AM
Since you appear to be so well-versed on the group and clearly know more about it than me, what is their "ideologue agenda"?

I hadn't heard that terrible slogan before and, after some research, now I know why: it was on a sign held one time by one person who later apologized for it. It was rightfully condemned.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 9:40 AM
No, it was chanted in the background by a crowd while an Antifa member damaged a Marine recruitment center.

Video!!!

So, why do they chant such a terrible slogan? How does it fit into their agenda against those that promote fascism? You're the one defending Antifa's motivations.





By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 10:41 AM
Can you be specific about how I can find that video? The only thing that comes up when I search your key words is a single instance of it on a poster comes up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 10:56 AM
The "Cops and the Ku Klux Klan go hand in hand" chant has been used by Antifa for a few years. It shows up in tweets back to 2016.

August 6, 2018 Tucker Carlson
21:20
Youtube

Lots of nice little Antifa and Leftist nuggets you'll be proud of.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 11:31 AM
Can you post the title of the video? I'm still not finding it, nor evidence of any tweets of that phrase.

In fact, when I search that phrase exactly (which is slightly different from the one you used farther up) I get this:

No results found for "Cops and the Ku Klux Klan go hand in hand".
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 12:17 PM
Fore, it’s a Fox News program. They are interviewing a college student who was at a protest. The counter protesters were yelling at the police for protecting the kkk. They were yelling ,” who do you protect”.plus cops and kkk go hand in hand, or something like that. The kkk gets a red carpet welcome , police escort. The counter protesters are kept at bay. I’m not sure if this is the tape Poo Boy is referring to, but it’s pretty tame.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 12:49 PM
Tristan Hallman
✔ @TristanHallman

Rhetoric has turned violent. Plenty of talk of killing nazis. "Cops and Klan go hand in hand" chant just started.
10:13 PM - Aug 19, 2017
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 1:23 PM
Who is Tristan Hallman and why is this hearsay trustworthy?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 1:30 PM
Craig LeMoult @clemoult
Earlier saw convoy of bike cops applauded & thanked. Now chants of "F the police!" & "Cops & klan go hand in hand" @wgbhnews
3:55 PM - Aug 19, 2017
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 1:42 PM
I understand they're both local reporters in different cities. Those reports are credible and the chant is condemnable on its face.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 2:15 PM
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Antifa is condemnable on its face. They should be held accountable for their actions, and ideology, just as any group who communicates hatred and embraces violence in the process. Interestingly enough, it is Antifa who condones violence even in the face of non-violent first amendment expression.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 9, 18 8:30 AM
Po Boy, spare me your nonsense. If the kkk and neo nazis weren’t there, no antifa. You are getting the horse ahead of the cart. Why aren’t you condemning the white supremist the same way? Police blocking antifa, and the nazis and racist are great? Because they don’t yell at the police they are peaceful fun loving Americans? You are being played by the country’s oldest group of racist and losers, poor poor klan. Get a grip
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 8:37 AM
The KKK has a right to be there. Like it or not. I've condemned the KKK over and over again while defending their first amendment right to do so.

You could not be wrong Fred saying no KKK, no Antifa. From the "counter protester" website for this weekends fun in DC: "This is for Heather Heyer, Corey Long, Deandre Harris, ICE abolition, open borders, dismantling the industrial complex and ending the settler colonial system." Give me an f'n break. If the KKK went away, Antifa would still ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 9, 18 12:00 PM
Po Boy , I think you mean stated their piece.im not correcting you, just think it was a mistake.(you could correct my spelling from here to eternity). I’m just saying the kkk is not giving speeches calling for peace and love. They are divisive and hate mongers, their speeches reflect that. Because they are not talking about the police does not give them a free pass. The neo nazis and other assorted racist groups included. The two fringe groups, one spouting hate towards virtually all of America, ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 12:17 PM
The problem with people advocating the violent removal of all nonwhites from the country is that they're not happy with just speaking their peace, they want to forcefully deport American citizens.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 1:44 PM
"I’m just saying the kkk is not giving speeches calling for peace and love. They are divisive and hate mongers, their speeches reflect that."

It doesn't matter, it is a Right, like it or not. Any effort to prohibit the (free) expression, is a violation of first amendment rights.

And while I agree the KKK is a fringe group, I do not agree that Antifa is a fringe group. Here you both are defending them as what can be described as the Democratic base.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 10:58 AM
Po Boy, if antifa isn’t a fringe group, what is it.Do they give a Nazi salute to any democrats. The alt right did just that when trump was elected. Does antifa shout racist chants while marching? The alt right sure does, under police protection, I might add. Has antifa hung anyone? The kkk sure has. The antifa are a tiny fringe group who come together to combat nazis, racists and nationalist. Who are the alt right, nazis , racists and nationalist associated with? That hole you keep digging ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 11:14 AM
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"Any effort to prohibit the (free) expression, is a violation of first amendment rights. "

False. Only the government can violate one's First Amendment rights, because the First Amendment only protects from government action.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 18 11:33 AM
Fred, Antifa IS a fringe group. It's simply reflective of the Democrat base. Any group that hides it's face isn't proud of what they have to say - the KKK, ISIS...Antifa. Think about it.

Yes, Fred, Antifa does shout bigoted and hate filled rhetoric while they march Why do they burn MAGA hats??

Aug 10, 18 1:50 PM appended by Po Boy
Geez Fore give it a rest. YOU ARE WRONG...SCOTUS...ACLU...are you simply LYING? Even the Park Police allow permits for such events as this weekend in DC because it involves first amendment rights.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 1:50 PM
Here you go Fore with a correction added, National Park Service, not Police. From NYMAG THe Cut White Supremacists Are Planning a Second ‘Unite the Right’ Rally in D.C. by Amanda Arnold

"Why is this allowed to happen?
Because last year’s rally was so violent, it wasn’t as easy for Kessler to get approval the second time around. Still, the National Park Service told ABC 12 that it must approve “First Amendment events.”"



By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 1:58 PM
Po Boy, in that note , your base is alt right , kkk , white nationalist, oath keepers, proud boys and many other hate groups. They all get high marks from the southern poverty law center. You and your nonsense. Has antifa every identified with the democrats? I know all the above groups from your side consider trump their savior.your lame reasoning and logic is getting thin, very thin.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:00 PM
Po Boy, that’s your base, own it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:04 PM
"your base is alt right kkk , white nationalist, oath keepers, proud boys and many other hate groups."

There it is!!!!! The Deplorables. THAT is why you lost the last election. Clueless.

All Democrats are not Antifa Fred, but ALL Antifa ARE Democrats whether it be in mindset or voter registration. You sound like one of them.




By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 2:10 PM
Po Boy , thanks for admitting your base is full of racist hate mongers. You’ve finally come clean
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:12 PM
Your willful misrepresentation of a statement and/or extrapolation of your false statement to claim "admitting" is no such admission on my part.

It's wishful thinking on your part.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 2:21 PM
Po Boy, remove your foot from your mouth , your mumbling.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:25 PM
Show me a single court case the says the First Amendment applies to private action and I'll eat my shoe.

"COLUMN: APPLYING THE CONSTITUTION TO PRIVATE ACTORS (NEW YORK LAW JOURNAL)

With the notable exception of the Thirteenth Amendment’s ban on slavery, the individual liberties guaranteed by the United States Constitution protect against actions by government officials but not against actions by private persons or entities." NYCLU.org
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 10, 18 2:28 PM
Here is your homework assignment Fred. Go see "The Death of a Nation," you'll find the deconstruction of the very premise of your claims that the KKK is even right wing - it's based in Left and even far Left principles and policies just as it was when Democrats founded it.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 2:29 PM
Po Boy, I’d rather eat broken glass then watch your right wing propaganda. But you go watch it and have fun.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:37 PM
Po Boy, one review of the “movie” caught my eye tho. Speaking of D’souza, he’s no longer speaking to the choir, he’s speaking to the mentally deranged.you should love the movie.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:42 PM
Noted that Po cannot reconcile his view of the law with what the law actually says.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 18 8:18 AM
Fore, you're well noted in defining the argument to your liking - "private action/actors" whatever you want to call even if it is off topic. Choosing to ignore the protected speech of hate groups doesn't change the fact, it is protected. Sole brother.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 12, 18 2:24 PM
Table for one, right this way:

Matal v. Tam: "The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday that hate speech is protected by the First Amendment."
Aug 12, 18 2:28 PM appended by Po Boy
In wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on hate speech and the First Amendment, more good news may be on the way by Elliot Kaufman | June 19, 2017 Washington Examiner
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 12, 18 2:28 PM
Po Boy, you live blogging from DC?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 2:30 PM
Aww Fred, if your comment wasn't intended to be cutting it would be sad, but you just so happen to be correct, so it's actually rather funny. My work takes me to DC frequently. Need anything while I'm here? Black face mask or similar item perhaps?

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 12, 18 2:42 PM
Po Boy, can I have your rebel flag, your white pride sign with the 2x4 handle and the nails sticking out of it? I know your soooo concerned about them good folks down there. Hey, better yet. One of those proud boy golf shirts. They are extremely cool too
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 2:51 PM
Po Boy , only kidding. I would never imply that about you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 3:00 PM
Po: you said "Any effort to prohibit the (free) expression, is a violation of first amendment rights."

That's false. Only state actions can violate first amendment rights. In Matal v. Tam, the Lanham Act's prohibition on the registration of hateful trademarks was the state action found in violation of first amendment rights.

Get it yet?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 18 3:17 PM
I said a lot of things Fore, But it was all related to the expression of hate speech...and you know that.

Thanks Fred, but I have my own rebel battle flag - purchased it as a kid listening to Skynyrd and southern rock (still do btw...GASP). I have a Confederate flag too - as a bit of a history buff. And yes, and I'm proud to be white, and to be of Italian heritage for that matter - I don't have an ounce of white guilt. treat others as you would want to be treated and judge on the content ...more
Aug 13, 18 10:02 AM appended by Po Boy
Antifa this weekend: "No border no walls, no USA at all." NBC reporters attacked in Charlottesville by Antifa, NBC ignores the story. Antifa clashes with journalists and police.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 10:02 AM
Po Boy, look above, I said I was kidding. It was all in fun. As to skynyrd , I try not to listen to much classic rock, they weren’t a bad band, I like to be progressive in my music and listen to new stuff.proud to be white? That’s ok, I’m proud to be an American. Of course you have no white guilt, that goes with saying your proud to be white, which I find ridiculous.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 10:11 AM
"I said a lot of things [and I can't be expected to be right about all of them]."

The important thing is that you now understand private citizens cannot violate anyone's first amendment rights by definition, only the government can.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 10:36 AM
Po Boy, thanks for filling us in on antifa.compared to neo nazis and the kkk and the rest of the white nationalist, antifa has no message. You can be concerned about them, I’m not. I do like how you conveniently twist the argument around to your point.if the racist Nazi d-bags didn’t exist, neither would antifa.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 11:11 AM
Fore, I'll leave you to argue your point of choice with yourself, meanwhile the SCOTUS, ACLU, and Park Service are all in agreement that hate speech is protected.

Fred, I beg to differ on many counts. Antifa sure does have a message, what do you think they mean when they shout - "No border no walls, no USA at all." Speaking of which, seems the KKK is no where to be heard in that message, so, the KKK DOES NOT even need to be present or in the equation for Antifa to spout their putrid. I'm ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 11:31 AM
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Hate speech is certainly protected from state action by the constitution. Suppression by private citizens is not state action. As long as that point is crystal clear, you can navel-gaze about Antifa all you want.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 12:33 PM
"Hate speech is not protected by the First Amendment,’ Portland mayor says. He’s wrong."

By Kristine Phillips May 30, 2017. Washington Post.
Aug 13, 18 12:43 PM appended by Po Boy
“Hateful ideas (whatever exactly that might mean) are just as protected under the First Amendment as other ideas,” Volokh said. “One is as free to condemn, for instance, Islam — or Muslims, or Jews, or blacks, or whites, or illegal immigrants, or native-born citizens — as one is to condemn capitalism or socialism or Democrats or Republicans.” The American Civil Liberties Union agrees.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 12:43 PM
One can only wonder who the "one" is that the ACLU agrees with.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 12:52 PM
It's less important who the speaker is than who is suppressing the speech : if it's the government that's a constitutional violation; if it isn't, it's not.

Neither Antifa nor the KKK can violate anyone's first amendment rights by definition.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 12:59 PM
Po Boy, your defending the kkks right to free speech, just as it’s antifas right to say whatever they want.both free speech.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 12:59 PM
I'm not defending it, I'm simply pointing out the freedom to express it. Whether it can or can't be violated by either is neither here nor there. It's within the rights afforded to express it.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 1:53 PM
And I'm simply pointing out that the people who say "Antifa is violating the KKK's first amendment rights!" are irrefutably wrong.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 1:57 PM
Sigh...well, if one has the right, and one wants to restrict the right...call it whatever you like, but don't say, "the KKK doesn't have the right."

btw, who said Antifa WAS violating the KKK's first amendment right? I mean, other than you saying it couldn't be done, Fore?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 2:07 PM
"Any effort to prohibit the (free) expression, is a violation of first amendment rights." - Po Boy

If a private citizen walks up to you and forcibly takes your gun they may be guilty of robbery but they're not violating your 2nd amendment rights.

Likewise, a private citizen who forcibly attempts to silence another's speech may be guilty of battery, but they're not violating anyone's first amendment rights.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 2:13 PM
Ahhh, finally....sigh...I think it goes without saying...to most...that if someone has a right to something, and attempts are made to restrict that right...it's a violation...hindrance...impediment...call it whatever you want.

Here is someone's post on Quora to highlight the GENERAL SENTIMENT: "How do we push the KKK, alt-right, and other hate groups back into obscurity without violating their First Amendment rights?"

Aug 13, 18 2:30 PM appended by Po Boy
Come on Fore. More focus on denouncing Antifa for the fascist THEY are, less senseless nit picking. Keep your eye on the ball.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 2:30 PM
Po Boy, push back against nazis and racist. Don’t forget them white nationalist, for good measure.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 2:39 PM
Sounds like you should read up on the difference between free speech principles and the 1st amendment of the constitution, two related but distinct concepts. Then maybe you wouldn't make such glaringly false statements as "any effort to prohibit the (free) expression, is a violation of first amendment rights."
Aug 13, 18 2:42 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Violence is always condemnable, but understandable in opposition to folks advocating the forced removal of all non-whites from the country.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 2:42 PM
You know Antifa really stands Fore?

Anti (F)irst (A)mendment

Fred, how many times would you like me to beat that drum? How about joining the band?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 2:50 PM
Lol, sure it does, Po. I wouldn't know. You're the resident expert on Antifa here.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 13, 18 3:10 PM
Po Boy, your laughable. Antifa is some new group that came up to counter the Nazis , kkk , white supremist and other white nationalist groups . The kkk is over a hundred yrs old, neo nazis have been around for awhile. Your trying to frame this whole argument that antifa is some kind of wing of the Democratic Party. Po go look at the pics of the racists and Nazis and other d-bags. Notice the make America great again hats, all trump supporters. One pic one of the good nazis had a “18”tattoo ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 3:57 PM
You know what else is lol, you argued the "private actor" point like I was expecting a KKK vs, Antifa SCOTUS case. Too funny.
Aug 13, 18 3:59 PM appended by Po Boy
Yes Fred, yeah, you posted the history of the KKK already. And I posted the CNN article "Unmasking the Lefitst Antifa Movement" that pointed out the rich history of radcial progressive groups like Antifa. You asked me, "why CNN." As I sed Fred. All Democrats are not Antifa, but all Antifa are Democrats. Why would there NOT be MAGA hats? Antifa hates Trump. Why wouldn't Trump supporters turn out against Antifa? Do you think we should equally associate BLM protesters, with Antifa since they protest together?? Are some Trump supporters soft on the KKK? No doubt. I don't think I ever said Antifa was a wing of the Democrat party, but YES the Democrat base is largely rooted in the activities of Antifa - case in point, both yourself and Fore. Sadly for you and laughable but incorrect, you actually think Trump supports are rooted with the KKK. LMAO.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 3:59 PM
I don't know what your comment means, just want to point out that I'm not a member of Antifa as alluded to in your append, nor would I consider myself a member of "the Democratic base"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 18 6:30 AM
Po Boy, go re-read one of your August 10 posts. All antifa are democrats, etc. are some trump supporters “soft” on the kkk. That’s a very strong strong statement you made there in reference to the right condemning the kkk. Soft, now that’s some strong language. Milquetoast anyone?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 7:03 AM
I'll give you that Fore, you've at least denounced the ugliness of Antifa when it comes to their hatred toward police. But you stop short of denouncing the entire ugly thing. Must be the "No borders, no walls, no USA at all," But Fred on the other hand......not a peep other than defending all of it.

Well Fred, "soft" is all I got since I personally don't have any first hand proof otherwise of the specific affiliation of Trump supporters in the KKK. DO they exist? I'm sure they do. A also ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 14, 18 2:03 PM
Can you support your belief that "Antifa has classified all Trump supporters as their so called fascist enemy"?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 18 2:25 PM
Other than the general acts of violence against Trump supporters present day, attacked for no reason other than supporting the President, for me it was the Antifa website dedicated to disgusting anti-Trump “resistance” portraying violent imagery against conservatives. Specifically, a caricature of a Nazi soldier with the silhouette overlay of a person wearing a MAGA hat, with both the Nazi soldier and the MAGA hat wearer being held at bayonet with hands raised in surrender, with the ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 14, 18 9:41 PM
Can you point me to that Antifa website?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 7:27 AM
Nope.
Aug 15, 18 8:21 AM appended by Po Boy
It's no longer up but there are summaries of it still floating around if you so desire to find them. It was well covered when it was live.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 8:21 AM
Po Boy, no calls for genocide or separation of the races? Oh wait, those are the fringe elements associated with the right. Carry on your crusade don Quixote.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 8:30 AM
Hm...I'd rather see the actual product than read hearsay, but as the website is no longer up perhaps it is not an accurate reflection of their current beliefs anyway.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 8:32 AM
Yes, Antifa has seen the light, that's it. LMAO. How convenient for your conclusion, that the site no longer exists. Keep defending. Keep rationalizing. You too Fred.

You requested me to "support your [my] belief that "Antifa has classified all Trump supporters as their so called fascist enemy" and I told you. The current unprovoked attacks on Trump supporters only reinforces it as an accurate reflection - past and present.
Aug 15, 18 10:40 AM appended by Po Boy
Posted on the Leftist site It's Going Down
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 10:40 AM
To clarify Fore, the site still exists, they just updated there content. focusing on "Providing News and analysis on revolutionary anarchist, anti-fascist and autonomous anti-capitalist movements in so-called North America."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 11:44 AM
So the site didn't just disappear, the organizers instead chose to change the mission statement?

That sounds like a positive move, no?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 15, 18 1:57 PM
Po Boy, so when antifa attack’s neo nazis , racist and white nationalist, they are attacking trump supporters? Got it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 15, 18 2:01 PM
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There is nothing positive about an anarchist group that attacks the police or the innocent.

LOL, not quite Fred, when antifa attack’s neo nazis, racist and white nationalist, they're attacking free speech. Get it?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 15, 18 2:22 PM
@ Ditch Bum

Candace Owens was NOT censored for conservative opinion, she was censored for "anti-Semitism", even though her tweet made it perfectly clear that, far from engaging in ethnoreligious prejudice, she was calling attention to the alleged racial prejudice of Sarah Jeong.

It's just another example of how craven individuals and institutions run for cover whenever the bloody shirt of anti-Semitism is waved - - - at the expense of rational discussion.
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 6, 18 2:07 PM
Democrats' idea of massive gov't, controlled business and deprivation of freedom (individual rights) of their political opponents is the same as their fellow socialists and communists who ran/run NAZI Germany, USSR, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, . . .
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Aug 6, 18 2:13 PM
Business controlled by whom? The whims of the shareholders? That's the most American thing I've ever heard!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 3:13 PM
Hahahah ok
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 7, 18 7:21 AM
Undocumented, can you give a few examples of what your talking about?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 2:41 PM
Whether you like AlexJones and Infowars or not, he is undeniably the victim today of collusion by the big tech giants. What price free speech? These tech companies' practices are opaque and given their power must be made more transparent. This is a coordinated PURGE. This is political censorship.We must expose the entire rotten tech machine.The irony is they all just proved what AJ has been screaming about for years... Facebook, CNN, Twitter, Apple, Google, Spotify and YouTube are Anti-American.
... ...more
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 6, 18 3:20 PM
Isn't Alex Jones the guy who, in his most recent lawsuit, defends himself with the assertion that no reasonable person would take what he says seriously?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 3:25 PM
No, "no reasonable person would take what he says seriously" is largely what some have said here.

"He's playing a character. He is a performance artist" is his defense.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 4:23 PM
Maybe some posters on here Po Boy don’t take him seriously. There are people who obviously do, to the detriment of the people being harassed. Looking at some of the posts on here, it seems a few like style.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 4:56 PM
Hear it clearly folks: Alex Jones is lying to you because it is earns him money.

Too bad people like Sturgis eat up his rantings hook, line and sinker.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 6:05 PM
"Alex Jones is lying to you because it earns him money."

The same could be said of the Democrat party.

"Too bad people like XXXX eat up his rantings hook, line and sinker."

The same could be said of Democrats.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 7:45 PM
A big difference is that the latter is your inference while the former is Alex Jones's admission.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 8:11 PM
Never let a good crisis go to waste a prominent Democrat once said back in 2012. I think Fore you're tapping into the hook, line and sinker element of the Democrat base.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 9:06 PM
Sure I am, that's why no liberal with an audience the size of Jones's is promoting conspiracy theories, nor defending themselves in court by suggesting that no reasonable person would take them seriously.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 9:11 PM
Maxine Waters sure has an audience.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 10:33 PM
Cool, what conspiracy theories does she promote?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 10:52 PM
Cool, the treasonous ones.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 11:01 PM
What, did her campaign solicit a thing of value from a foreign state actor? Or did she just promise to pay her supporters' legal fees if they assault anyone from the opposition?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 6:09 AM
Why yes, Hillary did. A dossier. No, Maxine directed assault be done for free.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 9:56 AM
Congresswoman Waters never advocated violence. The Clinton campaign never solicited help from a foreign government. Evidence to the contrary is welcome.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 10:12 AM
We have a Democrat funded dossier which sought Russian involvement that proves otherwise.

I wouldn't expect you to acknowledge the call for harassment and taunting as not advocating for violence... "And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them..." Interesting however, that you see a man who was convicted of harassment as being assaultive.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 11:10 AM
Cool story. Did anyone in the campaign solicit that dossier from the Russian government?

We all saw how Mr. Bamberger went hands-on and was subsequently charged with assault. We know he alleged that Trump offering to pay the legal fees of anyone who was willing to "knock the crap out of 'em" encouraged (induced) him to engage the woman physically. The original charge was pleaded down because of Mr. Bamberger's contrite apology, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Something I didn't ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 11:28 AM
"Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund political research into Donald Trump that ultimately produced a dossier of allegations about his ties to Russia, a person familiar with the matter told the Associated Press on Tuesday night." Report: Clinton campaign and DNC helped fund Trump-Russia Steele dossier. 2017/oct/25 The Guardian.
Aug 7, 18 12:05 PM appended by Po Boy
That's what I love about you Fore, you have this do as I say, not as I do mentality. After all, you're the guy that said he would punch a Nazi for being confrontational, yet, when confrontational people who come to antagonize and act assaultive, are confronted and promised they'll be dealt with as such, it's a crime of mega proportions. So as we've seen example after example of Democrats "pushing back" as the antagonist Waters has directed, it's way way way more than two examples.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 12:05 PM
So the dossier wasn't solicited from the Russian government? Great! That clears that up.

Where did I say I would punch a Nazi? I'd stay far, far away if given the option.

You haven't raised a single example of anyone saying they were induced to commit violence by the words of Maxine Waters, but I'm not surprised.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 12:29 PM
When asked: "If I was yelling in your face, blocking your path, and acting antagonistically to you, what would you do?"

"..... As for the question of what to do if someone "was yelling in your face, blocking your path, and acting antagonistically to you," I'd personally expect the rational consequences of my actions: If I was a Nazi I'd expect to get punched."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3484), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 27, 18 10:14 AM
Aug 7, 18 1:18 PM appended by Po Boy
Oh, right...."anyone saying they were induced to commit violence by the words of Maxine Waters" Ever hear the old saying, actions speak LOUDER than words? We've seen example after example since Maxine Waters rhetoric.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 1:18 PM
Po Boy, your barking up the wrong tree. Maxine waters never , ever incited violence. You are again using a false narrative to defend the violent actions of the kkk and neo nazis. Good try, but a very weak argument.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 1:25 PM
But yet Fred, the radical Left is coincidentally doing, the very thing "she didn't say to do" according to you.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 1:28 PM
Since there are clearly no words, what actions did Maxine Waters take to promote violence?

Re-read carefully: I didn't say I would punch a Nazi. I said it's a consequence that flows rationally from the actions you outlined, and that one should expect the rational consequences of one's actions.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 2:12 PM
Po Boy, if haranguing Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Mitch Mconnell at a restaurant is the same as the kkk and neo nazis, I’d say there would be no antifa. You are trying so very hard to smear and place blame on Maxine waters for something that never happened. You have a very circular way of arguing, you never have an exit, just more excuses to make a non existent point.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 2:28 PM
If it were only as simple as you both portray. If only.

Some see the attempted mass murderer of Congressman by a lunatic who mimics the same hateful rhetoric as no coincidence. One day it's tomatoes, water, antagonistic behavior. The next, bullets.

Fred, you've falsely woven two arguments - Waters and the KKK into you're own little conversation. No, I'm drawling no analogy to the two. That's all you Frederick.




Aug 7, 18 4:06 PM appended by Po Boy
That's.... "lunatic who mimics the same hateful and conspiratorial rhetoric as Maxine Waters, as no coincidence."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 4:06 PM
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Po Boy, that’s Fred s to you. I’m not weaving anything. It’s your technique. When were the Congressman shot? Nothing to do with Maxine waters. It was a random nut. It wasn’t a conspiracy. Explain who the nut job was listening to. Is there a left wing talk show host who initiated it? Your the one bring the shootings in. I know you said you were a man of the people, who stood up for everyone. I looked at your history, actually didn’t get past the first page. I applaud ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 4:27 PM
Did the shooter make any suggestion that he was induced to commit violence by a Democrat?

Because I know two people who said that about Trump...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 5:13 PM
No, Fred, No Fore it was not a random nut. He was a run of the mill nut, who spouted verbatim the Maxine Waters radical Left talking points. Pointed out to you in another thread, Hodgkinson wrote "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co." above his repost of a Change dot org petition demanding "the legal removal" of Trump and Vice President Mike Pence for "treason". He belonged to numerous political Facebook groups, including those named "Terminate ...more
Aug 7, 18 8:47 PM appended by Po Boy
That's right Frederick, I believe the confederate statues are part of our history, not to be white washed from existence, but to be learned from and remembered. You don't have side with the KKK to think that. We've seen incremental creep even into literature of the same mentality. If anything should be banned it should be political correctness.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 8:47 PM
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Poo Boy, nowhere in the article or any article does it mention Maxine Waters. That’s conjecture on your part. There’s no arguing, he was a nut , a left wing nut. He definitely shouldn’t have had a gun.please poo boy, stay focused. Your hate for certain people doesn’t mean they can be blamed for everything.by the way, you call me Frederick, I call you poo boy.fair is fair.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 5:46 AM
By that logic the anti-abortion movement is responsible for shootings at planned parenthood. It just doesn't add up, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 6:22 AM
It's not conjecture at all...it's the Democrat party line - whether it be Maxine Waters or a nut who mimics the same statement. The only different, they manifest the delusion, differently.

Fore, you isolated the argument in your example to one defined issue. This is the bigger picture we're talking. A mindset. Not, I'm against or for a singular issue.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 9:26 AM
Poo Boy, your grasping at straws. It’s getting tiresome.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 9:32 AM
It's the same logic, Po: you're attributing the actions of an individual to the unrelated "slogans" of a particular group.

No anti-abortion group actually suggests shooting up a clinic just as the Democratic party doesn't condone violence.

Despite that, some religious crazies or liberal nuts take the nonviolent rhetoric of those groups as justification for violent, criminal acts.

Two sides of the same coin, and the groups are not responsible for acts they don't condone ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 9:34 AM
I see. Ok. so, following your logic, Fore: you're attributing the words of an individual to the unrelated "actions" of a particular individual. I would suggest that the anti-abortion movement you are referring to is just as radical as that of Maxine Waters and the radical shooter of the GOP Congressman. Therein lies the danger of Maxine Waters rhetoric.

Aug 8, 18 10:27 AM appended by Po Boy
"and the groups are not responsible for acts they don't condone in either case." Exactly why the President isn't ultimately responsible for the act of poor Mr. Bamberger. "I don't condone violence," Trump said in an interview on CBS' "Face the Nation." He insisted he's done nothing to incite the violence himself, he said he had no problem with supporters who decided to "be effective" with protesters in the audience who were antagonizing and even being assaultive.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 10:27 AM
I don't follow your application of that logic: are you saying the words are caused by the actions? How does that make sense?

I also don't think many religious conservatives would agree with you that their belief that life begins at conception is so radical, I sure don't.

As to Trump's later condemnation of violence after his earlier words induced violent acts, evidenced by the claims of both Mr. Bamberger and Mr. Heimbach, that's all it was.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 10:53 AM
You've alluded that words don't necessarily correlate to action. This is what I've stated all along.

As to the "conception" comment, I never made any mention of it. I simply stated the radical nature of someone who would shoot up a clinic is similar to the radical rhetoric and actions we've seen from the Left.

Politifact looked at the incitement of Trumps words. They found citing Brandenburg vs. Ohio, "the court ruled that the First Amendment permits liability for incitement ...more
Aug 8, 18 11:51 AM appended by Po Boy
You've alluded that words don't necessarily correlate to action. This is what I've stated all along....in regards to Bamberger.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 11:51 AM
Words don't necessarily correlate to action, but that means sometimes they do!

That legal liability wasn't extended to Trump doesn't negate the fact that Trump's words were precisely what Mr. Bamberger and Mr. Heimbach said convinced them to engage in violent acts in the first place.

You said that radical rhetoric is what prompted violence, but the planned parenthood shooter I refer to repeated the same tame rhetoric that anti-abortion groups use: the idea that abortion is the ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 12:14 PM
Correction to follow your logic. Words don't correlate to action.
My bad, you didn't use "necessarily" in you example.

Have you even watch the video? There is nothing violent about it. It's a 79 y/o man in veteran attire shooing the miscreant women out - the one who was harassing and acting antagonistically. Maybe three attempts before they exchange words and she continue on. The fact that you continue to come back to "violent" shows the desperation of the argument. Trump is heard ...more
Aug 8, 18 1:36 PM appended by Po Boy
"You said that radical rhetoric is what prompted violence, but the planned parenthood shooter I refer to repeated the same tame rhetoric that anti-abortion groups use: the idea that abortion is the cold-blooded murder of defenseless infants." So, your call...does the rhetoric incite violence, or doesn't it?? I'm good with any way you decide. We'll go from there. Waiting your decision.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 1:36 PM
I'm saying there was a nexus between Trump's offer to pay for the legal defense of assaults and subsequent criminal acts that does not exist in the planned parenthood shooting or the congressional baseball team shooting.

That nexus is evidenced by the assertions of both perpetrators regarding their motivations.

Yes, I saw it. Both Mr. Bamberger and Mr. Heimbach shoved a person several times. That's why they were charged.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 2:11 PM
And so what if there was Nexus? These were not people minding their own business. They were taunting, harassing, acting disorderly and reportedly shoving others in the crowd for at least an hour.

Free will still exists on the part of Mr. Bamberger and of course the Trump defense would be used. No duh. That's what defense attorneys do. But as we know, this sort of thing was occurring frequently at Trump rallies. Trumps words had no bearing, other than to be mentioned as a defense...whether ...more
Aug 9, 18 8:23 AM appended by Po Boy
So, to the question, "does the rhetoric incite violence, or doesn't it??" I guess I have my answer, and Maxine Waters does not get a pass as we've seen repeated actions of "pushing back" in public places of people minding their own business and harassed simply for their political ideology. Pathetic of Democrats.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 9, 18 8:23 AM
I understand your personal opinion is that Trump's words had no bearing on their actions, that just flies in the face of their own assertions and I'm going to have to believe them over you.

As for whether "push back" was literal or metaphorical, we'll have to disagree on that as well.

What remains fact is that people who were accused of crimes asserted that they were induced by Trump's words to commit those crimes; something that is not true of anything said by Congresswoman Waters.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 11:40 AM
Ignoring the literal "push back" resulting after Maxine Waters comments, is your prerogative. But, "So what?" remains as to whether there was bearing to Trumps words. If you are acting belligerently, aggressively, antagonistically and doing your own pushing and shoving, you can expect to be told and escorted accordingly.

I see, it's ok for Maxine Waters to clarify her words deflecting the actual statement, but when Trump does it, NOPE! btw, one would wonder why we've had an uptick in ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 9, 18 12:09 PM
Po Boy, if trump had to clarify his lies and misstatements he’d be on Twitter 45 hrs a day. You keep bring up Waters, she’s a congresswoman from California. Her bearing on anything on the national stage is minuscule, yet trump as the supposed leader of the free world has the largest bully pulpit. To compare the two is just flat out wrong. Your looking for a punching bag, only thing your doing is shadow boxing.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 12:24 PM
The DA's office that charged Mr. Bamberger and Mr. Heimbach but not the person they shoved would disagree with your "characterization of the events.

I don't think Congresswoman Waters needed to clarify her words and happen to think her nonviolent intent was clear from the get-go.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 1:19 PM
But Maxine Waters DID clarify her words and in the age of 24/7 news coverage, Fred, Waters as one of the leading voices of the Democratic Party is poised to potentially lead the House Financial Services Committee and use that perch to probe endless unsubstantiated theories she's espoused. It's why Democrats rabidly defend her - because they are committed to take down Trump any way they can, and why Republicans hold her accountable - because they know it will embroil the country in unsubstantiated ...more
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 10:53 AM
Po Boy, maybe in your mind and the minds of republicans.you are just looking to demonize her. It’s not working. You do realize the commander in chief pushes conspiracy theories all the time, right?Dems are in the minority now, you’d better make sure you control Congress . When the dems take control they will do what they elected to do,hold the president accountable for all his bs, unlike what your republicans are doing now.i find in hilarious that your aghast at what Maxine waters does.Dog ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 11:06 AM
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So, if the President "pushes Conspiracy Theories all the time" it's ok for Maxine Waters to use her own conspiracy theories to badger and administration in search of zero evidence of any crime? That's NOT holding an administration accountable for "all his bs" (whatever that is), it's SUBVERTING AN ELECTION.

Aug 10, 18 1:44 PM appended by Po Boy
You're aghast that I'm against headlines like this? My good fellows, sound the dog whistle loudly and proudly, we should all be aghast! "Waters scares Democrats with call for all-out war on Trump. With her constant calls for President Donald Trump to be impeached, Waters is making even members of her own party anxious. By ZACHARY WARMBRODT 06/25/2018 Politico."
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 1:44 PM
Po Boy, impeachment is a political process. Waters is a congresswoman, it’s within their powers to impeach. She can’t on here own. You post articles that have nothing to do with anything. I read that Politico article when it came out. It’s about democrats not wanting impeachment to be part of their platform.waters has not conspiracy theories posted anywhere. You are trying to make this into something it’s not, it’s not even a good try. All you can say is but , but Maxine ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 1:54 PM
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An all out declaration of war by Maxine Waters on the President doesn't have anything to do with anything?

What is the foundation and basis for Maxine Waters declarations to impeach Trump? “I am not about to let this country go by the way of Donald Trump. ... We are sick and tired of him. He's been there too long. They dare me to say 'Impeach him.' Today I say, 'Impeach 45.'”

Well Fred, what basis?


By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 2:04 PM
Po Boy, I don’t speak for Maxine Waters. Contact her office for some clarity. You might want to look back in recent history in regards to your own party, they were on the impeachment trail of Obama. Po , keep up the but , but , but Maxine Waters nonsense, the little bit of credibility you have is vanishing.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:09 PM
There is no comparison to what Obama endured by those elected to office to that of what Trump is enduring by Democrats. Don't forget, Obama had the great equalizer....the first black president.

Let's not forget, Obama was thought to have violated the Constitution on several fronts, least of which was not enforcing laws he was duly sworn to enforce. Democrats want to impeach Trump for actually DOING job he was sworn to do. HUGE difference.

By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 2:17 PM
Po Boy, Obama was thought to have violated the constitution.your party thought a lot of stuff,like he wasn’t an American. That was a doozy. Time will tell Po Boy, the sitting president is the worst in modern times, lowest approval ratings. Yeah he’s great, a low moral good for nothing. November will tell
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:23 PM
History will tell more.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 12, 18 2:19 PM
Po Boy, it will. Trump will come out even worst then estimated.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 2:26 PM
OR better than he already is and all the lemmings will be forever marked as pawns of Russia and haters of America.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 12, 18 2:35 PM
Po Boy, don’t get your horse before the cart. After mueller is, then you can say trumps a pawn of Russia.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 2:45 PM
Then he can go after Hillary!
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 9:51 AM
Po Boy, she’s been investigated more then anyone. Her husband and their foundation. Convenient punching bag, when all else fails,LOCK HER UP. Time to re-brand the trump nonsense.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 9:59 AM
Almost two years in and they're still talking about Hillary.

Sad!
By johnj (918), Westhampton on Aug 13, 18 10:04 AM
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I love the privileged double standard she's been afforded. She broke the law. Anyone with a security clearance knows she broke the law. Maybe Mueller can change the definition of her activities back to "grossly negligent" now that the corrupt agent Strozk who authored the change to "extremely careless' has been fired.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 11:43 AM
Po Boy, anyone with a security clearance knows she broke the law.as soon as we let anyone with a security clearance start charging her with something, let me know.my take on it is trump accuses anyone who has anything to do with the mueller investigation is corrupt. He is using all his tactics to discredit. Spittlely old Giuliani and his other attorney doing hannitys radio show was the icing on the cake. His base is eating this up like a bologna sandwich, his lies and bologna are both bad for you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 11:54 AM
PoBoy - Time for some reality in your rant. Forget Mueller & Strozk. Nunz, Gowdey and a cast of right wing hacks have been holding hearings ad infinitum spending many tens of thousands of dollars without ever once finding something indictable. Perhaps it's time for the Trumpetts to admit there is nothing or to admit that the Republicans are completely incompetent. You can't have it both ways so which is it?
By bird (736), Sag Harbor on Aug 13, 18 12:17 PM
PoBoy - Time for some reality in your rant. Forget Mueller & Strozk. Nunz, Gowdey and a cast of right wing hacks have been holding hearings ad infinitum spending many tens of thousands of dollars without ever once finding something indictable. Perhaps it's time for the Trumpetts to admit there is nothing or to admit that the Republicans are completely incompetent. You can't have it both ways so which is it?
By bird (736), Sag Harbor on Aug 13, 18 12:17 PM
Ah Fred, yes, you've touched on the double standard. You know, not everyone who breaks the law, is charged, right?

bird, we know she knowingly used a private server which transmitted Top Secret information. What more would you like to know cuz that's a whole lot of nothing.
Aug 13, 18 12:20 PM appended by Po Boy
...that "lesser" people have gone to jail for.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 13, 18 12:20 PM
Mueller investigating ad infinitum still looking for a crime by Trump et al.....
By Taz (510), East Quogue on Aug 13, 18 12:20 PM
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Does Alex Jones have a disclaimer at the beginning and end of his show stating it’s all bs and entertainment?if not , he’s only claiming it after the fact. Or trying to cover himself with the lawsuits.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 3:55 PM
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Does Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, Joe Madison, Joy Behar or Rachel Maddow have a disclaimer
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Aug 6, 18 5:59 PM
Widow Gavits, has anyone gone to a pizza place with an ar because they were spouting conspiracy theories about it? Did anyone haunt the mass shooting victims families because they were spouting “false flag” conspiracy’s about them?you forgot to name hannity, and the now disgraced bill o’Reilly. They don’t compare to the nut job Alex Jones, now an entertainer, a bad one at that.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 6:30 PM
No, they prefer baseball fields filled with Republican members of Congress.
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 6, 18 7:46 PM
You mean quislings, don't you Po Boy?
By June Bug (2210), SOUTHAMPTON on Aug 6, 18 8:33 PM
@HHS

Only recently have I had the pleasure of debating a poster with a deeper ignorance. BUT.....you still are a very close second.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 6, 18 8:22 PM
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Law Dome.

Vostok.

There's two more new words you can learn this week to go along with "ignorant".
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 6, 18 9:08 PM
@ Bayman3142

Your shallow comprehension (as demonstrated on this thread and on so many others) renders you as incapable of understanding others' arguments as you are of expressing your own confused thoughts.

The ignorance you are observing is endogenous.
Aug 7, 18 2:12 AM appended by highhatsize
@ Bayman3142 - - - - - One could not ask for better proof of the veracity of my opinion than your reply (infra).
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 7, 18 2:12 AM
I cannot explain how honored I am that you two can take the time from your busy schedule of gibberish, dictionaries, and sleep deprivation to come out in support of fred s.

Birds of a feather.

@z

Here are two words for you to research, 10,305 posts and counting.

bái mù.

@HHS

And here are two words for you, Ms. D.O.M.

bái làn

For the others like myself, you know who you are, remain.....

top krian
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 9:35 AM
Have any of you sensationalist trolls checked the price of FaceBook stock this week? Seems that it's well above it's 52 week low, and gaining...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 6, 18 8:56 PM
make no mistake these foolish companies are only digging their own graves.americans no matter what their political leanings dont soport censorship and know exzactley where this is heading.And they don't like it one bit.
By Erin 27 E (1124), hampton bays on Aug 6, 18 8:57 PM
Make no mistake, you don't know what a typical missed expectations earnings call and a panic look like, lol.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 6, 18 8:59 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say few people are losing sleep over Jones being jettisoned from online platforms that want nothing to do with him.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 6, 18 9:17 PM
Democrat logic:

It's wrong to attribute qualities of 1 person to an entire class of people!
Oh and all white republicans are alex jones.
By SlimeAlive (1021), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 7:23 AM
Who said all white republicans are Alex Jones? Classic Slime.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 7:26 AM
This might be the dumbest thing I have read here yet. Your fragility truly is a sight to behold.
By NorthSeaWhaler (8), southampton on Aug 7, 18 9:39 AM
Please you people on the left make up the rules as you go along! You censor Tommy Robinson and Alex Jones last week ! but NY Times newest hire and confermed racist Sarah Jeongis A - OK ??? , Why are you afriad of the open exchange of ideas ? Your hypocrosiy is on display each and every day..... for example: "The West Hollywood City Council on Monday evening voted unanimously to remove President Donald Trump’s Walk of Fame Star.
The resolution calls on both the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce ...more
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 7, 18 9:40 AM
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How do you know someone follows Alex Jones? They say things like "the satanic cult known as Hollywood."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 7, 18 10:05 AM
27dan, it’s seems your belt is slipping a bit.poor Tommy Robinson, he’s a British white nationalist. Let him stay in Britain, he’s their problem. The toad Alex Jones is an entertainer, a loud mouthed conspiracy spouting phony. Hitch your wagon to him, he’s a fine example of a great entertainer. As to Polanski, I wish he would come back and face the music,he’s just a loser who never faced justice.then there’s trumps “star”. I don’t think I seen ...more
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 10:43 AM
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Fred you forgot to libsplain "The racist Sarah Jeong" talking points from HQ have not arrived on that one yet ?
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Aug 7, 18 11:13 AM
Joe Hampton, you have zero credibility. You get no answer. Thoughts and prayers.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 11:41 AM
You got him Joe
By 27dan (2527), Shinnecock Hills on Aug 7, 18 12:02 PM
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@ Biba

To answer the question of whether the state of Israel is legitimate, all any American needs to know is that in the advent of the founding of that state, 60% of the residents of Palestine were Muslim and 30% were Jewish and no one was permitted to vote for the government of his choice.
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 7, 18 9:24 AM
Hahahaha oooh boy that’s a good one ....
I can’t stop laughing!!!!
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 10:48 AM
Hey Fred, If Alex is so crazy then why does almost everything he warns about as crazy as it sounds eventually COME TO PASS?
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 7, 18 11:16 AM
Things he has warned about that have not come to pass:
- Super Bowl halftime show being used as cover for a satanic ritual
- basement of a pizza shop being used as a pedophilia ring
- widespread election fraud
- government controlling and weaponizing the weather
- government using chemicals to turn frogs gay
- numerous false flag claims
- his use of supplements (if the purpose of the supplement was to more beet like, then I will admit error on this one)
- that he ...more
By NorthSeaWhaler (8), southampton on Aug 7, 18 11:34 AM
I would be happy to beat Adam Schiffless A* and if give just the smallest opportunity I assure you it would come to pass !
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 12:05 PM
... Just the smallest opportunity
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 7, 18 12:06 PM
Atta boy ditch bum, threaten to beat up a string Congressman.you are a true American.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 12:36 PM
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Sitting
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 12:42 PM
TOP ATTORNEY CALLS BIG TECH INFOWARS BAN DEEPLY CONCERNING
Suggests purge of Alex Jones was an abuse of power. Top attorney David A. French has penned an opinion piece for the New York Times in which he argues that Big Tech’s ban of Infowars is deeply concerning and a potential abuse of power.
After making it clear that he despises Alex Jones and Infowars, French still argued that the purge was extremely troubling.
“There are reasons to be deeply concerned that the tech companies ...more
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 8, 18 1:28 AM
NorthSeaWhaler, thank you.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 11:39 AM
@HHS


bái làn

(Chinese: 白爛; literally: "white rot"), which describes a post completely nonsensical and full of folly made to upset others, and derives from a Taiwanese slang term for the male genitalia, where genitalia that is pale white in colour represents that someone is young, and thus foolish.

investigative skills....let's see how Z does with his.

(I'm not holding my breath, he once mocked a 9/11 first responder with cancer, and ...more
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 7, 18 6:46 PM
Considering Revelations 14:20 predicts God has plans to kill at least 100,000,000 people if you do the math, maybe you should call the police.

As far as the "mocking", my name ain't Trump.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 7, 18 7:04 PM
Your ignorance is overshadowed by you inability to tell the truth.

Your "belief in God" statement was past and current timing, and your use of the Bible to attempt to explain a moronic statement, ignorant statement speaks volumes

Maybe this will help you remember the mocking tone you showed that 9/11 responder.

"Polmic anyone?"

Blankly, cookie, corner. Its safer for you.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 6:29 AM
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There is no God. It is a human machination, and there have been literally thousands of them. All you have are the ramblings from a society thousands of years old, heavily edited and redacted I might add. Lose a couple gospels somewhere? Stick with counting only the Christian god to keep believing how "ignorant" I am.

Deal with the former, or live in a clinical psychotic delusion. It seems to work for untold millions...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 9, 18 8:10 PM
That is not proof or example of your outright ignorant statement, which is all I am asking for. I could give two if you believe or not.

You made a statement, made some claims about me, and have yet to offer 1 shred of evidence to prove anything you said.

And there in lies your ignorance, and the fact that you absolutely did in fact mock a 9/11 responder with cancer.

10,317 statements of ignorance and counting...
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 9:02 PM
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Nah. You just ignored what you don't want to hear.
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 10, 18 5:04 AM
10,318

By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 9:37 AM
@ Mr. Z

That's nothing more than an unsupportable belief. All one can say is that one has, personally, seen no evidence of the existence of god. But to declare "him" nonexistent because his presence hasn't become apparent to our own (possibly disabled and certainly limited) senses is sheer foolishness.

Perhaps others sense phenomena that you do not.
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 10, 18 10:11 AM
Well hat, I am one of the "others" you speak of. As far as phenomena, I've dealt with more than my fair share...
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 10, 18 6:34 PM
@z

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both in regards to the Christian belief.

Both your statements. Please choose just 1 and offer proof.

Just 1.
Aug 11, 18 8:41 PM appended by Bayman3142
I also happen to be an "other" z, my phenomenal senses detect B.S. and the artist with 100% accuracy. Hold on....I sense a tingle when you respend....
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 8:41 PM
God is in quotes in the first one, so you're dead wrong on the first statement. There has also been "God on the throne" in human history. Slavery is older than Christianity, so wrong again.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 12, 18 8:17 PM
Taibbi: Beware the Slippery Slope of Facebook Censorship

By MATT TAIBBI

........... The sheer market power of these companies over information flow has always been the real threat. This is why breaking them up should have long ago become an urgent national priority.
Instead, as was obvious during the Senate hearing with Mark Zuckerberg earlier this year, politicians are more interested in using than curtailing the power of these companies. The platforms, for their part, will ...more
By joe hampton (3231), The Hamptons on Aug 7, 18 10:52 PM
Nice cut and typical out of context "right wing" sound bite.

It was also stated that at least 70% of America is dumb enough to get there news from less than a few sources. Just like screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, spreading baseless conspiracy theories and reckless disregard for truth and fact is not protected speech. The "right wing" is up in arms because it's one of their own. If it was a "liberal windbag", there would be celebration. Alex Jones is not the crux, it's those ...more
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 8, 18 5:46 AM
Z, they are mad because all the Russian bots are banned. It’s not fair. They helped trump get into the White House. The right ate up the fake news as if it was real. Now infowars, where are they gonna get their fake news?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 5:54 AM
Z, they are mad because all the Russian bots are banned. It’s not fair. They helped trump get into the White House. The right ate up the fake news as if it was real. Now infowars, where are they gonna get their fake news?
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 5:54 AM
Don't worry its easy just go to the G play store and download the Info Wars App Its free and very easy to use. REAL NEWS with David Knight is still streaming on You Tube with the emergency channel on YT "Ron Gibson" still up and running.

Also Twitter refuses to Censor Alex Jones and still believes in freedom of choice and the second amendment!

It is pretty amazing that the Alt left is up in arms about a small business man refusing service and not wanting to bake a cake . but your ...more
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 8:29 AM
Well that's easy, Bum: the baker was denying service to a gay couple because they're gay; the tech companies are just denying service to Alex Jones because they don't like him.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 9:42 AM
NOW THAT FACEBOOK, YOUTUBE AND APPLE HAVE COME FOR ALEX JONES, NOW THEY WILL START COMING AFTER THE REST OF US
August 6th was one of darkest days in the history of the Internet
By They call me (2522), southampton on Aug 8, 18 1:32 AM
"WOLF!!!!" ^^^^^^^

Do you have a "Facebunk" page?
By Mr. Z (10710), North Sea on Aug 8, 18 5:51 AM
Leftists are all about free speech and tolerance, until they don't agree or are "offended" with what's being said, then the hissy fits begin, see above.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 8, 18 6:25 AM
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Bigfresh, sell your shares of Facebook and delete your page if you have one.im sure your getting tired of posting pics of trump holding kittens.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 7:30 AM
Usual pick and choose Republican stance. It's free speech when Nazi's and white supremacist's march. Cursing out the media at rallies. Black players take a knee to protest racial inequality and police brutality, all of a sudden that doesn't come under free speech.
By Mets fan (1289), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 8:02 AM
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I don't own Fakebook stock or have a Fakebook page Fred, that whole thing is just too narcissistic for my taste. My comment had nothing to o with Fakebook censoring conservative speech, it was about the rest of the liberal agenda of stifling differing opinions, does the BS at Berkeley ring a bell?
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 8, 18 6:03 PM
AP is reporting that Trump got peed on by a hooker in Cincinnati before he flew to Cleveland to meet with Putin where they planned the collusion that caused Ohio's special election to be won by the Trump-centric candidate.
By even flow (804), East Hampton on Aug 8, 18 6:28 AM
Silly HHS that's not what PLO member Zahir Muhsein thought .....

So now it's Muslims not Palestinians....Hmmm you're getting closer .....

Israel is 100% legal.

The region was NEVER 100% completely void of Jews ....EVER. And YES that is an important point.

You feel only the Muslims living in the region had rights huh ? Typical. Fun fact, many of the Muslims in Palestine can trace their lineage to Egypt, Syria , Lebanon and Jordan.

Jews are from Judea ...more
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 8, 18 7:13 AM
Biba: have you thought about the question I asked? In you view, is it possible that there exist muslims who are perfectly decent human beings?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 8, 18 9:44 AM
@ Biba (& Sturgis)

To reiterate, in the year of Israel's inception, the population of Palestine was 60% Muslim and 30% Jewish and no one was permitted to vote on his choice of government. It was imposed by the British. The Muslims were forcibly compelled to submit to the foreign ethnocentric suzerainty of European Jews.

This is the illegitimizing FACT of Israeli nationhood that is responsible for the tsunami of Isralophile apologist propaganda to which we Americans are subjected ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 8, 18 9:48 AM
HHS's thoroughly anti Semitic crackpot tin foil hat response in 3....2....1
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 7:25 AM
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Candace Owens: ‘Leftist Media Is Inciting Violence and Hate’

Candace Owens credited “leftist media” with “inciting violence and hate,” offering her comments during a Tuesday interview with Breitbart News’s Curt Schilling.
By Ditch Bum (632), Water Mill on Aug 8, 18 8:31 AM
Very good ditch bum, three nuts in one . Candace Owens, Kurt schilling and Breitbart, you got the trifecta.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 8, 18 8:51 AM
HHS
What more can I say ? You just ignored the actual post ( as usual) and spewed more anti Semitic lies. Please see Sturgis' comment from 8/8 for my response to your nonsense because he/ she summed it up ! Thanks Sturgis !!

FBHG
Islam is incompatible with Western enlightened values . Where Muslims rule, authoritarianism, oppression and misery reign. The "liberal" Muslims cannot hide from the tenets and history of their faith. The current epicenters of Islamic power in the world ...more
Aug 9, 18 11:28 AM appended by Biba
I almost forgot FBHG .....150 rockets were launched into Israel from Gaza
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 9, 18 11:28 AM
Nowhere in that was the answer to my question: In your opinion, is it possible that there exist muslim people who are perfectly decent human beings?

All that's necessary is a quick yes or no, though the closest you got to an answer ("Islam is incompatible with Western values") leads me to believe you're leaning toward "no."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 11:45 AM
Ha just as I suspected.........you're going to "pretend" you don't understand and that you're confused. My answer is ALL over my post. You are so predictable. You seem to get off on it. Did you take the time to watch the videos I suggested ?
Aug 9, 18 12:35 PM appended by Biba
No comment about the rockets. Typical
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 9, 18 12:35 PM
So is my inferred "no" correct?
Aug 10, 18 1:14 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
It's fine if you think it's impossible for decent people to be muslim, it just negates the value of any conversation with you on related topics: you've made up your mind and that's that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 1:14 PM
Hahaha FBHG you are an insufferable piece of work. I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest Biba means no......Ray Charles could see that. You just like to instigate. Biba's answer is CRYSTAL clear !!!!

You are a petulant nagging trouble maker trying to prove some point you have in your head......You try to "out" people and yes you are 100% a bully.


Aug 9, 18 2:09 PM appended by Sturgis
Let me add that no, I'm not ashamed of my feelings on the subject of the school shooting because I know you're gonna start with that shit in 3....2...1
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 2:09 PM
Assuming that's true (I don't like to put words in people's mouths) do you agree with Biba's assessment that it is impossible for muslim people to be perfectly decent human beings?
Aug 9, 18 2:19 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And since you brought it up...what ARE your feelings regarding the Parkland shooting? Since you never did say...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 9, 18 2:19 PM
"Assuming that's true (I don't like to put words in people's mouths)...."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....good one Fore.
Aug 10, 18 1:23 PM appended by Po Boy
"what ARE your feelings regarding the Parkland shooting?" What a ridiculous question. What are your feeling regarding domestic violence?
By Po Boy (3162), Water Mill on Aug 10, 18 1:23 PM
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FBHG.....you don't strike me as someone that has a problem reading between the lines.
Do a little research ....read some of my older posts. Then put it together .....
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 10, 18 2:54 PM
As far as I can tell you're alluding to some kind of conspiracy surrounding the Parkland shooting in relation to the Sheriff's deputies and a mosque.

I do wish you'd say exactly what you think happened but I think I know enough to disregard your opinion on just about anything, notwithstanding continued efforts to draw out your beliefs.

Obviously that's what I'm referring to when I ask about his feelings Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 18 8:15 AM
@ Biba

The residents of Palestine were never permitted to vote on their own form of government - - - and despite the fact that Muslims outnumbered Jews by 2 to 1, the British handed over their land to the Jews. That's a gross violation of THE Liberal principle (i.e. the ABSOLUTE EQUALITY of each individual's human rights regardless of race or sect) that WE AMERICANS believe is the only moral course of behavior for the righteous and which is the CORNERSTONE of our republic.

All ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 9, 18 3:10 PM
Appearances can be deceiving.
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 9, 18 4:47 PM
HHS

Which residents of Palestine ? Because along with Israel , the state of Palestine was created. The British handed land to the Jews AND the Arabs. What the Arabs chose to do ( on 5/14/1948 and 5 times after) is another story .No one's rights were violated. I enjoy when you constantly talk about what Americans would do when you support a group of people that burn the American flag and use American tax payer $$ to pay terrorists that kill Jews....

You've "refuted" absolutely ...more
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 10, 18 2:20 PM
Biba: There were Muslims living on the land that is now Israel that were ejected, by force from their homes and land because they were not Jewish refugees, that is a fact. I have good friends whose parents were victimized in just such a way. Just needed to get that info into the discussion.
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 11, 18 11:50 AM
Biba thinks muslims can't possibly be good people. It's time to disregard his opinion altogether.
Aug 12, 18 8:15 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
*her
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 18 8:15 AM
Fore, agreed. She argues so far from the right she’s fallen off the cliff. The argument that one whole group of people are no good and can’t assimilate into any society is very troubling.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 8:33 AM
@ Fore

I’m going to throw something out to you: I would have to side with Biba on his/her point that Islam is Islam, as well as his/her “other” point “if” the accepted definition of Islam is that of fundamentalist/originalist Islam, which is more modernly referred to as “radicalized” Islam, which does not deviate from the Quran’s Arabic written word, both practiced and lived by as if it were 632 AD, which is the only “true” Islam ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 12:56 PM
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I wouldn't pretend to know what the "fundamentalist/originalist perception of Islam" claims to believe, but I do know that it exists, and that a less fundamentalist interpretation exists as well, as tends to happen in all religions.

My gripe is specifically with absolutist statements, whether in the form of literal interpretation of scripture, or generalizations about billions of people.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 12, 18 3:22 PM
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@ SDG1776

It is true that the Suras and the Hadith are considered immutable of new interpretation but the allegation that they mandate war against infidels is but a bigoted libel by Islamophobes with an axe to grind.

Here's a article that succinctly refutes that vile misconception:

"Does the Quran Really Sanction Violence Against ‘Unbelievers’?" by Kabir Helminski (The Huffington Post, May 25, 2011)

Islamic scriptures no more encourage violence than ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 12, 18 9:07 PM
Wrong
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 14, 18 3:16 PM
What a thoughtful and thorough response, how can anyone remain unconvinced?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (4800), HAMPTON BAYS on Aug 14, 18 3:26 PM
@ Biba

Casuistry.

The residents of Palestine were never permitted the fundamental human right to decide their own form of government. Rather, the British despotically awarded a piece of the land in which the Muslims were the dominant religious sect (Muslims 60%/Jews 30%) to the Jews in an affront to all lovers of Liberal democracy - - -and particularly to all Americans for whom the denial of political self-representation was the cause of our Revolution.

Your ultimate ...more
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 10, 18 4:53 PM
Dayum ......anti Semitic and beyond disrespectful and a distortion of reality and facts ....




Never ends
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 11, 18 12:58 PM
Dayum ......anti Semitic and beyond disrespectful and a distortion of reality and facts ....




Never ends
By Sturgis (468), Southampton on Aug 11, 18 12:58 PM
To BF
I believe I debunked this a while ago. It's not your fault you ( like many others) were sold this horrific lie. It's great that you , "needed to get that into the discussion" but its patently false.

To FBHG When did you become the moderator of the post ?

Fred Take the time to view what I suggested. The 9/11 hijackers "assimilated" just fine.


HHS
A Yiddish speaking, lie perpetuating, fact ignoring anti Semite ....weird.....
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 12, 18 11:20 AM
Bibs, not the weakest argument, but right next to it.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 11:52 AM
@ Biba

["sigh"]

Blind, zealous fidelity to lying cant joined to brainless, bigoted defamation - - - for what must be the hundredth time.

For (what one hopes) is the LAST TIME, whining protestations of victimhood don't make your case, Biba.

Reasonable people expect reason - - - not aspersion.

You could try it!
By highhatsize (3795), East Quogue on Aug 12, 18 12:09 PM
No Biba, all you did was claim that no non Jews were physically removed from THEIR LAND to make room for Jewish interlopers. It happened , would you like to sleek with their children and receive an education o what actually happened??
By bigfresh (3914), north sea on Aug 12, 18 5:20 PM
Jewish interlopers......ah yes....
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 14, 18 9:37 AM
Oh HHS the drama ........*** Le Sigh*** .....

I agree it's mighty frustrating so.....

Read your post back to yourself......that's my response to you ........


Whatever Fred.....keep on the path of useful idiot and fight for a group of intolerant people that DEMAND tolerance from everyone else ... what a joke. Keep that head of yours firmly planted in the sand.
The very FACT that terrorists "assimilate" is far from a "weak argument".
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 12, 18 1:30 PM
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Biba, your speaking like a bigoted islamaphobe and I’m simple? I have no love nor respect for anyone like you.my head may be in the sand , beats yours being stuck in your _ _ _.
By Fred s (1672), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 1:40 PM
Not simple, I think he meant ignorant.
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 12, 18 7:56 PM
Sure Fred but you love and respect a group of people that will not tolerate other religions, cultures or traditions ,but demand full tolerance for their religion and culture and traditions, makes sense. You love and respect someone such as HHS, crying over HAMAS members that are killed while engaging in violent protests against Israel. Makes even more sense ......

PS
No such thing as Islamophobia.
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 13, 18 5:58 PM
@ HHS

I agree with everything you say except that the allegations are bigoted libel by Islamophobes with an axe to grind”. The allegations would also include libel by Muslims.

Below is an interesting piece supporting your claim. The Ashtiname of Muhammad, was a covenant granting protections to Christians and Jews. It was imprinted with the hand of the prophet Muhammad in 628 CE.

The following was published at the Jewish Post and provided by the Pave The Way ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 1:50 AM
@ HHS

I agree with everything you say except that the allegations are bigoted libel by Islamophobes with an axe to grind”. The allegations would also include libel by Muslims.

Below is an interesting piece supporting your claim. The Ashtiname of Muhammad, was a covenant granting protections to Christians and Jews. It was imprinted with the hand of the prophet Muhammad in 628 CE.

The following was published at the Jewish Post and provided by the Pave The Way ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 1:50 AM
SDG1776
There are a few discrepancies in terms of the timeline of the covenant but honestly it's immaterial . Explain to me how the covenant changes the CURRENT climate in Gaza or perhaps Iran.... ? How does it change the lies that are still perpetuated about Israel's rebirth? I find it hard to believe that the Muslim population is unaware of the covenant but to perhaps suggest the violence will stop if suddenly every Muslim is made aware of it, is absurd. What a great excuse however for all ...more
By Biba (494), East Hampton on Aug 13, 18 5:50 PM
I couldn't keep this one to myself all the way up on the thread, I had to share a good laugh.


@z

"Belief in a "God" is the single greatest cause of death and war in human history."
Or
."The crux of the issue is that when you enslave a being, it's worse than murder"

Both in regards to the Christian belief.

Both your statements. Please choose just 1 and offer proof.

Just 1. Aug 11, 18 8:41 PM appended by Bayman3142
I also happen to be an ...more
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 9:03 AM
Here is Z' answer,

God is in quotes in the first one, so you're dead wrong on the first statement. There has also been "God on the throne" in human history. Slavery is older than Christianity, so wrong again.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
By Mr. Z (10320), North Sea on Aug 12, 18 8:17 PM
By Bayman3142 (193), Southampton on Aug 13, 18 9:05 AM
Free stuff is very appealing to people who have never had to work or pay for anything.

The rest of us know that there is no such thing as free stuff, it's just a bill given to somebody else.
By Undocumented Democrat (1811), southampton on Aug 13, 18 4:08 PM
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