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Apr 2, 2014 11:06 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Deer Slaughter Under Way In Southampton Town

Apr 2, 2014 11:06 AM

Riflemen working for the U.S. Department of Agriculture have been slaughtering whitetail deer for more than two weeks on as many as 20 different properties in Southampton Town, according to the federal agency.

A spokesperson from the USDA, Carol Bannerman, confirmed this week that a “cull” effort has been under way in Southampton Town, and that shooters have been hired by the Long Island Farm Bureau to work on “between 10 and 20” properties on the South Fork, she said.

The killing, which is done at night by teams of hunters using bait, night-vision equipment and high-powered rifles with silencers, is being paid for by the Long Island Farm Bureau using state grant money earmarked for pest control on agricultural property.

The Farm Bureau has not responded to any requests for comment on the slaughter since organized opposition to the effort arose over the winter. Farm Bureau President Joe Gergela could not be reached despite several attempts this week.

Opposition to the cull proposal, and a lawsuit filed by one of the groups, halted consideration by East Hampton Town and East Hampton Village of allowing the cull to take place on public lands in their boundaries. When the municipalities set the idea aside, for the time being, many residents thought it meant the cull was off. But private property owners and the USDA are not bound by the local municipalities’ decisions, and several property owners in Southampton and Southold towns went forward with applications to the State Department of Environmental Conservation for nuisance permits.

The DEC has refused to provide any information regarding the permits issued to property owners in Southampton or East Hampton towns. An application to the offices of DEC Commissioner Joe Martens for copies of the permits issued, in accordance with the state Freedom of Information Law, received no response, and a follow-up appeal to the commissioner’s office for the information was not acknowledged.

Ms. Bannerman said that “less than a dozen” teams of shooters were being used on the South Fork specifically. The kill teams work in groups of three, one a shooter, one a spotter, and one driver of the marked U.S. government pickup trucks.

The leader of a residents group organized specifically to oppose the Farm Bureau cull encountered one of the armed teams on a dark street in Sagaponack Village last week, leading to a harassment complaint registered with Town Police by the hunters, though no charge was filed.

“I was coming home on Monday night, about 9:45, and I drove through Sagaponack and, sure enough, coming down Sagg Main Street I noticed a pickup truck stopped on the street just south of the Fosters’ airstrip,” Wendy Chamberlin, co-founder of the Wildlife Coalition of Eastern Long Island, said. “I pulled up next to it and asked what he was doing, and the man said, ‘Working.’ I asked if he was with the USDA, and he said, ‘Yes, Ms. Chamberlin.’ He knew my name.

“I got out of my car and went to the back of the pickup truck, and there was a young man, maybe 18 or 20 years old, with a rifle in his lap with a [noise] suppressor on it,” she continued. “I started shooting pictures and got pretty upset with them. I told them that nobody wanted them here. They said they were going to call the police.”

Indeed, Town Police confirmed the complaint that Ms. Chamberlin was interfering with federal hunting teams and that officers had interviewed Ms. Chamberlin at her Bridgehampton home. No charges were filed.

Ms. Chamberlin said the hunters appeared to be preparing to enter land owned by Cliff and Lee Foster of Foster Farms. The Fosters’ son, Dean, declined to comment this week on whether the USDA teams were working on his family’s land.

Ms. Chamberlin said she and other opponents were shocked to learn that Southampton farmers had decided to proceed with allowing the cull despite the outpouring of opposition from area residents.

Last month, Mr. Foster and Sagaponack farmer Jim Pike said they were considering proceeding with the cull, in hopes of reducing the amount of crop damage they suffer from the burgeoning deer herd on their lands, but said they were questioning whether or not to do it for fear of angering their customers.

When the Farm Bureau first proposed the cull, which has been ongoing in Southold Town for at least three weeks, local farmers said that deer cost them thousands of dollars a year, from already scant profits, in lost crops and damage to their property.

Opponents like Ms. Chamberlin’s group, the East Hampton Group for Wildlife and deer hunters advocacy group formed this winter, Hunters For Deer, have appealed for property owners and state officials to employ relaxed hunting restrictions to encourage a higher take of deer by civilian hunters and the use of chemical contraceptives to thin the herd more gradually.

The Farm Bureau has said that such an approach was impractical and insufficient to address the deer population problem. The Bureau secured a $200,000 grant from the state to fund the herd culling. Originally it had estimated the sharpshooters would be able to kill upward of 1,000 deer in the two months they had planned for the cull. But Mr. Gergela said in an interview in February that the number would more likely be a few hundred.

Ms. Bannerman said on Tuesday that the federal kill teams have made two deliveries of approximately 1,000 pounds of butchered venison meat to a Long Island-based food pantry. She said she did not know the name of the pantry or organization that was taking in the meat, or whether any of the meat was being distributed to East End food pantries.

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"Slaughter?" That's a rather unfortunate and inflammatory word, don't you think?
By Capt. Phil (63), Southampton on Apr 2, 14 4:55 PM
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it is what it is...
By Jaws (243), Amity Island on Apr 2, 14 10:43 PM
The word is not unfortunate and inflammatory, it's the action itself that is. The word is actually quite accurate.
By frokman (6), Mattituck on Apr 4, 14 1:10 AM
If you were a farmer who has endured years and years of constant damage to crops from the deer, and no other solutions have worked, you would not be using words like "slaughter" in your headlines. That's just fanning the flames for all the animal activists to start squawking. Come on guys, it's a cull. It needs to be done. Otherwise, our local farms will not continue to exist.
By SisBoomBonacker (106), Hamptons on Apr 2, 14 5:58 PM
Right, cuz that's why it's happening... the 'farms'.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Apr 3, 14 10:10 AM
ever here of a fence
By 27dan (2777), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 5:53 PM

They too will meet their maker.
By watermillluvr1 (11), watermill on Apr 2, 14 6:00 PM
You are better than this Michael.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 14 6:17 PM
Actually, he's not!
By Frank Wheeler (1818), Northampton on Apr 3, 14 3:11 AM
"Slaughter"? "Killing"? Tell us how you really feel!
By sparkhampton (27), Hampton Bays on Apr 2, 14 6:38 PM
Once again mike wright, slaughter? It's a cull. How about when you write about going duck hunting I call that slaughtering ducks? Cause it's the same thing right? Oh, it's not? Maybe you should retread your headlines before you post them and really think about them. Unless you are just trying to incite people. In which case I'm disappointed in you. You're better than that.
By bubby (236), southampton on Apr 2, 14 7:52 PM
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The STPD were unable to file harassment charges because there was no case against Chamberlin, but on the contrary, shooting from a public roadway and riding in the back of a moving vehicle with a loaded gun on a public roadway does merit some charges filed against the USDA. The USDA has permission to kill deer on private properties only and are not considered to be HUNTERS or exempt from acting in a responsible and safe manner.

As for crop losses. "Long Island farms are efficient with ...more
By MichaelHunter (74), East Quogue, New York on Apr 2, 14 9:21 PM
It is a slaughter. Any sane, intelligent person could not deny this. A cull is what wild animals do. They take out the old and infirm in a herd and leave the strong and healthy. The USDA just slaughters. Not only deer, but wolves, coyotes, geese, swans, eagles, beavers, Robins, Red Winged Black birds, Great Blue and Green Herons, they don't care, they don't discriminate. It's a war against wildlife. I have no idea why they are doing this but i do know this is how they make money, how they pay ...more
By WendyChamberlin (3), on Apr 2, 14 9:44 PM
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By localEH (426), East Hampton on Apr 3, 14 5:50 PM
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By CaptainSig (713), Dutch Harbor on Apr 3, 14 6:08 PM
Haha, Wendy they are killing some deer and you can do nothing to stop it. How does it feel? I tell you I love it! The more they kill the better, less chance I will hit another on the road. They are a problem, not only for farmers, but for anyone who is unfortunate enough to hit one or have them indiscriminately destroy a home garden. You are the type of person who is a problem out here, trying to impose your version of right on everyone else. If someone chooses to go this route, it's their right, ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 3, 14 9:22 PM
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Wow, you are sick. And I feel sorry for someone who laughs at death and enjoys it. And who has nothing else to do in this life but respond to these pages in negative, ugly ways as you have, page after page, after page. Yes, all of your comments are listed here. At the top of this page. You seem to have nothing else to do. That's sad.
By WendyChamberlin (3), on Apr 5, 14 6:09 PM
Yes, I am sick of the deer and those who blindly defend them and their indiscriminate destruction of property. The deer kill flowers and not always even in eating them, just random chomps that kill 3'-4' Cosmos for no reason other than them not being able to remember that they don't care for the taste of them. I enjoy having pretty flowers around my yard, deer make it difficult, so less deer equals less difficult. As for you ridiculous assessment of how I use my time, 1172 comment over fours years ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 5, 14 10:54 PM
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Interesting how if you disagree with Wendy or disagree with the characterization of this legitimate and appropriate cull as a "slaughter" your post gets removed. So much for freedom of speech and equal expression of both sides of the issue in the media...
By localEH (426), East Hampton on Apr 6, 14 10:35 AM
Keep up the fight to stop this horrific massacre of the deer . Remember these words ..... When injustice becomes law, defiance becomes duty.....One person with courage is a majority. –Thomas Jefferson We commend you for your courage in standing up for what is right .We the many are behind you 100 percent.
By earthspirit (16), Southampton on Apr 6, 14 8:00 PM
you're a mental case ICE...smh :/
By Jaws (243), Amity Island on Apr 6, 14 8:57 PM
Didn't TJ have slaves?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 6, 14 10:27 PM
Ice as Dan said, ever here of a fence
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Apr 9, 14 7:42 PM
According to most historical accounts, it was a business decision because he inherited most of them via marriage, plus his father in law's debt. He was never happy about it, and they were treated rather well by many accounts. He only kept about 200, and I really think his loss of drive regarding emancipation had a lot to do with his opinion that the people were not ready for it, due to the backlash regarding the Ordinances of 1784, and 1787. In 1807 he signed the Act Prohibiting the Importation ...more
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 10, 14 12:09 AM
Erin, indeed I've heard of a fence, problem is max height allowed by SHT Code for residential fences is 6 feet, ever notice all the ag fences are 8 feet? Deer jump 6 foot fences without any problem. In fairness everyone who wants the deer and say they're natural, should support the return of the wolves and maybe a few Mountain Lions to balence the deer naturally.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 10, 14 2:55 AM
thank you Michael Wright and The Press for calling the so called cull what it really is....A SLAUGHTER! why couldn't the hunting rules and regs been changed temporarily to allow local hunters a chance to do the job? NYS DEC should allow more deer taken during the hunting season and extend the season. It would have saved us tax payers $200k :/
By Jaws (243), Amity Island on Apr 2, 14 10:41 PM
It's not a "slaughter" if the venison is being consumed by destitute people. These animals are not being killed indiscriminately, nor in great enough numbers to justify the headline.

Inflammatory indeed.
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 2, 14 11:08 PM
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Yes, what is being done with the carcasses? Your suggestion that they would be used to feed the hungry is laughable.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Apr 3, 14 11:53 AM
"Ms. Bannerman said on Tuesday that the federal kill teams have made two deliveries of approximately 1,000 pounds of butchered venison meat to a Long Island-based food pantry."

Either she's a liar, or they don't want protesters in front of the food pantries.
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 3, 14 5:11 PM
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She is a liar. Called every listed food pantry on Long Island and not one received 1,000 lbs of butchered venison meat and as a few took the time to inform me- they could not legally nor logistically accept such a 'gift' anyways.
By local born and raised (3), hampton bays on Apr 8, 14 7:13 PM
Reported Tuesday is that Island Harvest has confirmed receiving 4500 lbs. of venison.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 9:36 PM
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So local, do you like your crow with ketchup, or mustard?
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 9, 14 11:53 PM
It is an outright murderous SLAUGHTER. Using friendly euphemisms like "cull" and "management" may fool some of the people much of the time, but here on Long Island there are enough of us calling it what it truly is. The Farm Bureau and farmers who invite this to take place on their land should be boycotted and should hang their heads in shame for what they are doing to the native deer.
By frokman (6), Mattituck on Apr 3, 14 12:43 AM
Native deer? You just showed your lack of knowledge on the subject. These deer were reintroduced after the "native deer" were wiped out. They were reintroduced for hunting purposes, not for city transplants to feel closer to nature... Read a little so you know what you're typing about!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 3, 14 9:27 PM
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By frokman (6), Mattituck on Apr 3, 14 11:15 PM
You may not like it, but that doesn't change the facts guy... Your antagonistic comment shows how weak your position is. I happen to be part Montaukett Indian. I'm also descended from some of the original English settlers of Southampton, so the more you type the more ignorant you appear. I don't hunt and have never been on a hunting blog, but I may get a hunting license next year to kill a deer out of spite of people like you...
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 4, 14 12:08 AM
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This is insane. The deer are in our way so lets kill them right? Understand the deer have been here probably a long time and we built over their land. Now they are in our way so we must kill them? We need to lose this terrible mentality. Just as when we came here the native americans were in our way and we did not agree to share the land they offered. Instead we killed them as well. Then the trees are in our way for building land and profiting...we kill them. So now the animals are in our way so ...more
By Paul123 (1), southampton on Apr 3, 14 2:39 AM
Ok... let me know when and if the deer or any other non-endangered wildlife are given the same rights as thinking and speaking human beings. Until then, the laws of the Constitution still prevail.
By Allergic2Stupidity (77), Riverhead on Apr 9, 14 9:07 AM
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By G (338), Southampton on Apr 3, 14 6:56 AM
A slaughter? For those of us afflicted with long term lyme disease, it is a God-send. If this helps even one person to not go through what we have, it is well worth it
By tenn tom (251), remsenburg on Apr 3, 14 7:44 AM
Really? I agree Lyme disease is serious and sorry you have it, but it is treatable and not fatal. So you think it is "well worth it" to slaughter 1000-3000 deer if it prevented just one case of Lyme disease? I think God--the real God, not the one people often invent to justify their actions-- would actually object to that exchange. I would choose to have Lyme disease rather than be responsible for the death of even one deer.
By frokman (6), Mattituck on Apr 4, 14 1:08 AM
apparently you also know nothing about Lyme...its a debilitating disease that most of the time goes without being diagnosed. The symptoms are many times written off until the patient is so crippled by neurological and heart issues they are tested. I know of several that have died from extensive heart and /or brain damage..... so while its treatable early it lives in spinal fluid and flares up any time. I really hope you dont get your wish, Lyme is an awful , awful thing to battle. If you do ever ...more
By squeaky (291), hampton bays on Apr 4, 14 8:01 AM
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The deer tick carries not only Lyme disease but also other diseases including babesiosis, anaplasmosis, and Powassan viral encephalitis, all of which can be fatal.
By Jdl59 (7), Milton MA on Apr 5, 14 4:34 PM
May your wish be granted.
By localEH (426), East Hampton on Apr 6, 14 10:37 AM
The question is where is this happening? Near any of us? Shouldn't it be the public's right to know? I wouldn't want to take a moonlight walk in the wrong area.
By oystercatcher (126), southampton on Apr 3, 14 9:26 AM
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Don't worry oystercatcher, it's the gov't running it. What could go wrong?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 3, 14 1:41 PM
Wow, I call for a boycott of Foster Farms and mention generations of Temic use and my comment gets deleted. Guess the censors are working today.
By G (338), Southampton on Apr 3, 14 9:30 AM
Cull=
verb-select from a large quantity; obtain from a variety of sources.
noun-a selective slaughter of wild animals.
No matter how you slice it, or shoot it, it's just wrong. It would have been better to carefully 'cull'-v. from our local yahoos (<--meant with love admiration) who need money, and even venison, after a very long cold hard winter here. Might have been more palatable.
By foodwhiner (146), Southampton on Apr 3, 14 10:13 AM
How many motorists have been slaughtered by deer running into vehicles? Any reduction in the deer count will result in safer roads. No need to lecture on safer driving; you'd understand if you've been run into by a deer or two.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Apr 3, 14 1:40 PM
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The Fosters are anything but "starving farmers" and the family's involvement in questionable land deals is fodder for a Vanity Fair investigative article. All this will come out.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Apr 3, 14 9:12 PM
And please stop about feeding the poor. Who is refrigerating 1000 pounds of deer meat handed over in a couple of days? Who is distributing it? The Board of Health mandates refrigerated trucks and stringent guidelines for transporting food that needs to be refrigerated. There is probably untold diseases carried in that meat. Think Soylan Green, folks.
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Apr 3, 14 9:17 PM
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I really want some 18-20 year-old with a high powered rifle and a silencer a 100 yards from my babies and dogs. Because there is no way he would be smoking crack or drinking because that's not what kids do these days, right?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Apr 3, 14 9:18 PM
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You jumped the shark with that post. Drama much.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 3, 14 9:41 PM
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just shoot me
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Apr 3, 14 9:49 PM
"Deer Slaughter"? Again? Really?

Congratulations to the USDA, the Farm Bureau, the DEC, the Fosters and the Pikes for taking the buck by the horns. Shame on Wendy Chamberlin for unlawfully obstructing them, and shame on Michael Wright and his editor for repeatedly breaking the most basic rules of objective journalism with their slanted headlines and lead sentences.

Why not just headline, "CVS To File For Special Exception Despoiling Bridgehampton Main Street," or "State Police ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1957), Quiogue on Apr 3, 14 11:57 PM
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The Press has a softer headline FWIW.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 4, 14 7:38 AM
Finally an effective use of my tax dollars.
By Local dad (51), West of Nothwest Bub on Apr 4, 14 10:20 AM
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Wonder if folks would feel the same if the targets were ugly cows rather than Bambi like critters?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Apr 4, 14 10:50 AM
Slaughter sounds similar to terms used in water fowling like We Massacred them!!! Slayed em today!! Annihilated them!!! Love the cull should have happened years ago. People need to go back in their their little hedged in pens building illegal pool houses and cabanas, and worrying less about what other people are doing to maintain there own property. Every cries when's peter rabbit and Bambi eat all their hard worked veggies imagine that on a 1000k scale.
Stay at home and mind your own business ...more
By Woodpecker (8), Southampton on Apr 4, 14 4:51 PM
Mike Wright Rules and Townline still Sux Without Him!!!
By Woodpecker (8), Southampton on Apr 4, 14 4:53 PM
The Southold/Southampton deer slaughter will continue. The notorious USDA Wildlife Services will continue shooting deer lured to bait. Southold is now known as the city who kills it's wildlife. It is a town of politics without principle and science without humanity.
Southold leaders are dragging the reputation of the city of Southold into the gutter. USDA/ WS gunning program has recently caused ten human fatalities and 28 injuries. They are known to be environmentally abusive and unethical. ...more
By earthspirit (16), Southampton on Apr 4, 14 9:27 PM
Your numbers on deaths and injuries are bogus. I could make up up some random numbers too, but I prefer facts. Deer are overpopulated there are no natural predators left to balance the herds. Cruel or not it is necessary to reduce their numbers. The deforestation and danger to the public using the roads is enough reason to have a cull

By ICE (1214), Southampton on Apr 10, 14 3:00 AM
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By VOS (1224), WHB on Apr 4, 14 10:20 PM
VOS(539) is your real name? YOU are a fraud. Here is a letter from someone who has personally witnessed the horror of a deer massacre........ Jack J. Schrier
Mendham Road
Mendham, NJ 07945
To Whom It May Concern:
I write from my personal experience as a member of the NJ Fish &
Game Council for the five years, 2000-2005. To put it simply, I
deplore consideration of using the “net-and-bolt” ...more
By earthspirit (16), Southampton on Apr 5, 14 7:39 AM
Let's try this again - there was no need for censorship here. My claim was that certain information supplied in a post 4/4 at 9:27 PM indicates that the writer is unfamiliar with the local area - the area about which the story and comments are written. It doesn't matter what they call themselves, but to indicate they live in Southampton is disingenuous. They clearly are not familiar with the East End, its political structure and its deadly and economic deer overpopulation problem.

My ...more
By VOS (1224), WHB on Apr 5, 14 11:45 AM
The propriety of the use of the word "slaughter" rather than "cull" in the article's headline is obvious when one considers that the latter word is often used to describe an innocuous sorting of insentient objects (like potatoes) whereas slaughter refers only to the killing of sentient creatures. With this is mind, since the program aims to kill a massive number, "slaughter" is clearly the most apt term.

What is most disturbing about the comments herein is that, despite the fact that it ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 5, 14 1:39 AM
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Did anyone factor public awareness into those studies?

Do the ticks which carry disease use the deer as a blood meal for reproduction over the winter? A simple yes or no will suffice.
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 5, 14 8:29 AM
So much for a simple yes or no.
Apr 5, 14 10:09 AM appended by dnice
Yes Z, they do. Phil there is a direct correlation between deer density and tick populations. No such correlation exists for other animal species.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 14 10:09 AM
to Mr. Z:

Quote:

"Do the ticks which carry disease use the deer as a blood meal for reproduction over the winter? A simple yes or no will suffice."
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Yes. So what? You act as if this is the Q.E.D. for the question of whether Lyme Disease incidence correlates with the size of the deer herd. It's not. The implication of your question is that more deer equal more ticks equal more Lyme Disease. That's a perfectly ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 5, 14 11:09 AM
Highhat, you couldn't be more wrong as you quote the deer-huggers' propagandistic lies. Lyme epidemics have been stopped by deer removal. This works because ticks come from tick eggs, and the main source of tick eggs is deer. Adult egg-laying deer ticks require a sizeable mammal to feed on, and over 90% feed on deer. Ticks from just one deer can produce up to a million tick eggs per season. Although mice can host immature forms of ticks, they cannot host the adult egg-laying deer tick. Not one ...more
By Jdl59 (7), Milton MA on Apr 5, 14 5:01 PM
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HHS, keep in mind that the lone star tick is becoming the prevalent tick and while it is not known to carry Lyme, it does carry other diseases. It hasn't been here long enough for us to have rock hard data but what we have seen so far is not promising. The meat allergy is a new disease that it is spreading. It is a fact that deer have been known to carry between 5 and 10 thousand ticks each. Far more than any other animal. It would seem to me that reducing deer populations will reduce overall ...more
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Apr 5, 14 6:51 PM
to Jdl59:

Your statement that, "Lyme epidemics have been stopped by deer removal", is absolutely false. I invite you to provide any documentary evidence in support of your assertion.

To quote Dr. Richard S. Ostfeld, an expert in disease ecology and Lyme Disease, "[C]ompelling reasons exist for controlling deer populations, such as reducing vehicle accidents and increasing forest regeneration. But, in many Lyme disease zones, reducing the deer herd is unlikely to substantially ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 6, 14 12:33 AM
Ostfeld with his pro-deer propaganda is the darling of the animal rights lobby. He is a mouse expert and has not been involved in the successful deer removal projects or scientific meetings. Lyme epidemics have been successfully stopped by deer removal in Mumford Cove, CT; Monhegan Island ME; and Great Island MA.
By Jdl59 (7), Milton MA on Apr 6, 14 7:02 AM
The cases you cite were annihilations of the deer herd in geographically restricted environments (islands and peninsulas) whose animal populations are skewed by their isolation. Even so, with no deer at all present, Lyme Disease still prevailed. The data showing a reduction in incidence, moreover, is largely anecdotal. Posing general conclusions derived from the unscientific observations of these small, unique ecosystems is feckless. In mainland communities, there has been no case in which a ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 6, 14 8:43 AM
FWIW -- east of the Canal, the East End is also a "geographically restricted environment," basically a "long island" of sorts.

Just watched a clip on CNN by Dr. Sanja Gupta about Schuyler Ebersol's multi-year struggle with (what turned out to be) Lyme Disease. The effects can indeed be debilitating, as many folks on the East End and their families know.

As is clear from some of the posts above, however, the general public does not fully realize how bad Lyme Disease can get.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 6, 14 3:29 PM
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By user.name (46), the jungle on Apr 6, 14 4:15 PM
No, in all cases there was a high incidence of Lyme disease which came down, along with tick levels, when deer populations were reduced. I have spoken to Dr. Sam Telford who has run the deer reduction program in Great Island MA, and he told me that the animal population there is not skewed. They have all the other animals like raccoons, coyotes, etc. and have to continually maintain the deer population through hunting. Since they brought the deer population down to 8/square mile, there has been ...more
By Jdl59 (7), Milton MA on Apr 6, 14 8:14 PM
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These deer are a nuisance, weather it is farms, roads, or private residences. For the people that pretend they are "natural," they eat garbage and agriculture... and thrive on it. The real question to me, is why are our local hunters not given an extra tag or two in order to cull the population? I am not "privileged" enough to read the entire article but hopefully this is addressed.
By Genuin (26), Hampton Bays on Apr 6, 14 4:43 PM
Slaughter is a yellow journalistic term to get you to read papers. Do we slaughter the fish when we go fishing? I think not. Its called harvesting and perhpas if the tree huggers ageed upon a management plan long ago we wouldnt have to have them hunted down. 1000lbs of meat is nothing what is that like 10-15 deer. Keep shooting this is for a healthier population. All of our fisheries are managed. I can only take 2 stripe bass per day from the beach. What they need to do now is expand the hunting ...more
By North Sea Citizen (563), North Sea on Apr 7, 14 7:00 AM
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In 1930 there were 300,000 deer in the US. Today there are 30 million. The deer epidemic caused the Lyme epidemic.
By Jdl59 (7), Milton MA on Apr 7, 14 9:06 AM
to Jdl59:

Quote:

"In 1930 there were 300,000 deer in the US. Today there are 30 million. The deer epidemic caused the Lyme epidemic."
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The nonsensical conclusion of a deer slaughter zealot.

Your impressionistic viewpoint, here and in previous posts, is wholly refuted by scientists who have actually investigated the phenomenon ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 7, 14 11:09 AM
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Well, its not a senseless slaughter, the meat is going to food pantrys. Its not as if they are killing the dear and dumping them in a pit. I wonder why no one gets worked up and starts petitions about finding shelters for homeless people? Or homes for children in foster care. Why is it that we care more about wild animals then we do about our fellow man. Just a thought.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Apr 7, 14 4:01 PM
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Holder Explodes At Louie Gohmert: 'You Don't Want To Go There, Buddy'...I'm not here to tell the truth!!!
By 27dan (2777), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 5:49 PM
And the OT melee resumes . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 6:17 PM
Yes PBR, Just take the 5th like the rest of them did
By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 8, 14 6:48 PM
Nothing will become of this, just like all the other corruptions and scandals surrounding this administration. Just a few sound bites and then on to collecting the bribes and organizing for 2016.
I hope I am wrong , but based on what we have seen in the past 5 years, ain't nuttin gonna happen.There could be consequences to for contempt of congress. The problem is in order for that, Holder himself as head of DOJ would have to sign off , how conveinent.
By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 8, 14 7:05 PM
Off-topic was the point = OT.

Did you guys notice how all the comments under another article were deleted recently, as in disappeared entirely?

This article is about a local deer cull.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 7:48 PM
PBR everything can be related to the current topic... most of the deer haters just want a cheap solution to the deer eating there flowers they are to cheap to put up a fence and want the gov. to take care of the problem for them. Also they do not like fences much because they perceive fences and hedges to be symbols of wealth and they do not like others buying nature and keeping them out... most of all these big houses with the hedges and fences raise property taxes and they do not like that one ...more
By joe hampton (3398), southampton on Apr 8, 14 8:21 PM
Island Harvest confirms receiving 4500 pounds of venison Tuesday.
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 8, 14 9:37 PM
So that makes all those spring baby deer looking around for there mothers ok ?
By joe hampton (3398), southampton on Apr 8, 14 10:48 PM
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The cull is not without its downside costs -- to be weighed against the the benefits.

Human life is imperfect . . .
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 9, 14 8:53 AM
I guess we should all listen to pbr, Ideally we need to eradicate all non-human life from this planet. The goverment knows best,

As pbr pointed out, the only real moral consideration any living thing deserves is how it benefits us. All non-human life on this planet competes with us in some way or another, stealing our air, water and land. We should start with all the direct threats, predators such as sharks, tigers and bears. Next, we should eradicate any animals that compete with humans ...more
By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 9, 14 10:03 AM
TCM are you a vegan, like Hat?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 9, 14 10:48 AM
Alec Baldwin Does It Again - Posts, Then Deletes Homophobic Tweet
By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 9, 14 8:32 PM
Wendy said ... It is a slaughter. Any sane, intelligent person could not deny this. A cull is what wild animals do. They take out the old and infirm in a herd and leave the strong and healthy. The USDA just slaughters. Not only deer, but wolves, coyotes, geese, swans, eagles, beavers, Robins, Red Winged Black birds, Great Blue and Green Herons, they don't care, they don't discriminate. It's a war against wildlife. I have no idea why they are doing this but i do know this is how they make money, ...more
By joe hampton (3398), southampton on Apr 9, 14 9:48 AM
There will be NO benefits to this program, only COSTS. The deer herd size will not be reduced since fecundity will bring it back to its ante-slaughter numbers in one season. Ergo, deer/vehicle collisions will continue and the decorative plantings of homeowners will still vanish. It goes without saying that the Lyme Disease infection rate will remain constant, at the least.

Hundreds or thousands of innocent lives will be snuffed out, however, and hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars ...more
By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 9, 14 10:23 AM
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Other than HHS, who is a total vegan?
By PBR (4947), Southampton on Apr 9, 14 11:07 AM
My canines are about as pointy as they get. Count me out from a personal, and genetic standpoint. On top of that, I only have three incisors instead of four and naturally have a full set of 31 teeth. Meat eater born and bred.
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 9, 14 11:52 PM
Quote:

"What next, an annual potato slaughter ?"
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D'uh.


By highhatsize (4150), East Quogue on Apr 9, 14 12:30 PM
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"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Senseless slaughter is never an answer.
By Ms. Jane Q. Public (147), Southampton on Apr 9, 14 1:17 PM
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i personally will be voting out any incumbent that had anything to do with this, it was horrible, dishonest and sneaky the way they went about it. they said the mass killing was off due to public out cry, and did it anyway!

now we must vote them out and show them not to play us for fools.

don't forget
Apr 9, 14 7:42 PM appended by Erin 27 E
this is cruel and unnecessary, and also causes a huge amount of stress and terror to the surviving animals.
By Erin 27 E (1240), southampton on Apr 9, 14 7:42 PM
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I will take you call to arms seriously Erin and vote them out due to this Issue.

At least Phil as remained consistent in showing a lack of compassion for baby deer or unborn humans, but I can't figure out high hat size who seems so indifferent to the horror and pain of abortion yet as such compassion for animals ??? go figure
By 27dan (2777), Southampton on Apr 9, 14 7:53 PM
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Asked about Holder’s recent coments, The House Speaker insisted, “There’s no issue of race here !
“The American people have not been told the truth about Fast and Furious,” and the administration has also not been “forthcoming” about other scandals.
“We’ve been having to hold people in contempt because they’ve made it impossible to get to the documents, They owe the American people the truth.”

By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 10, 14 10:19 PM
Can you imagine a fact pattern where somebody takes the stand and says, ‘I didn’t rob the bank. But I’m not gonna answer why my fingerprints are on the demand note. And I’m not gonna tell you why I’m on the surveillance footage with a gun in my hand. And I’m not gonna tell you why the dye pack blew up in my car. I’m just gonna tell you I didn’t rob the bank!’ That’s not the way our system works Mrs Learner

By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 11, 14 9:44 AM
Apparently some of our system works like this:


Conservatives bitch that their taxes go to help poor people.
Conservatives don't want to raise minimum wage.
See the contradiction?

Conservatives bitch about poor people getting affordable healthcare.
Conservatives bitch about outrageously expensive healthcare costs.
See the contradiction?


Conservatives bitch about illegal Mexicans.
Conservatives want cheap groceries.
See the contradiction?

Conservatives ...more
By Mr. Z (11564), North Sea on Apr 11, 14 5:04 PM
NO, I don't , But don't worry The usual "suspects" see it
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Apr 11, 14 9:04 PM
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Really, lol

Good company there Mr. Z

Rotfl
By 27dan (2777), Southampton on Apr 11, 14 9:11 PM
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5600 comments and other people are bitching huh!? That's funny.
By Beach Grass (7), Westhampton Beach on Apr 12, 14 6:57 AM
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By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 12, 14 10:35 AM
Niceeee Zee pulls out the card, Whapp

hey, membership has its privileges you know

but by the looks of the rest of the club,

3 "members" liked this comment

Ughh?

No thanks.
By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 11, 14 9:21 PM
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By They call me (2757), southampton on Apr 12, 14 10:27 AM
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DURHAM, NC — A drug trafficker who worked for Al Sharpton’s nonprofit in the 1980s said that despite the preacher’s denials, he was eager to get a slice of the lucrative drug deal captured on FBI surveillance video.

“It was greed. He just wanted money,” Robert Curington, 72, told The Post during a two-day interview at his North Carolina home, detailing for the first time how Sharpton stepped into the FBI’s trap — and was then forced to become a ...more
Apr 12, 14 10:39 AM appended by 27dan
**LIVE BROADCAST** Trump, Cruz, Lee, Paul at New Hampshire Freedom Summit: Broadcast by Breitbart, Sirius XM Manchester, NH - On Saturday April 12, Breitbart News will carry the New Hampshire Freedom Summit live from Manchester, NH, from 9 AM-4PM EST.
By 27dan (2777), Southampton on Apr 12, 14 10:39 AM