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Oct 23, 2018 7:00 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin, Gershon And The Two Issues That Are Defining 2018

Lee Zeldin and Perry Gershon
Oct 23, 2018 1:20 PM

In races across the country, two issues have risen to the top of the respective agendas of the Republican and Democratic party platforms once again: immigration, and the future of health care in America.

Democrats have raised the flag of a government-run, tax-funded health care system based on the support it gives senior citizens with Medicare, dubbed “Medicare for All.”

Republicans, for their part, have seized on President Donald Trump’s aggressive immigration policy of seeking increased deportations of undocumented immigrants already in the country and spotlighting criminal elements hidden within the immigrant population.

On the East End, where U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin and East Hampton Democrat Perry Gershon are battling for votes in a district with an aging electorate and an economy buttressed by immigrant labor, but also rattled by episodes of violence linked to multi-national gangs, those two issues could hardly be more pertinent.

This past week, the two candidates offered their views of how the federal government should approach the two complicated and divisive issues.

Some Republicans who once cried for the repeal of “Obamacare” have done an about-face in the run-up to this year’s election, as polls show the Affordable Care Act, as it was officially called, growing increasingly popular.

Mr. Zeldin, however, has remained steadfast in his defense of Republican alternatives that failed to win enough votes in 2017 by the slimmest of margins, and says that those alternatives should still be the preference to the heavy-handed coverage mandates of the ACA.

He pans Mr. Gershon’s pitch for Medicare for All as a financial boondoggle that would require trillions in taxes and strip Americans of their opportunity to choose various forms of coverage, or none at all, in favor of a government-mandated schedule.

The two-term congressman last week said the ACA’s core tenets—including setting minimum coverage demands, like guaranteeing insurance to those with pre-existing conditions—have led to woefully few choices of health plans in some parts of the United States.

In New York, he is quick to point out, protections against rejection over pre-existing conditions have been in place for years already, but he said that those protections and other new standards added to the flight of health insurers from large swaths of the South and Central states. He noted that some 40 percent of counties, almost all in central and southern states, now have only one health care provider offering insurance plans.

“We can’t have a one-size-fits-all model out of Washington,” Mr. Zeldin said. “People like to have a choice of doctors and treatment, and who they seek medical advice from. In a single-payer system … you would not be covered for a second opinion.”

Mr. Zeldin said the replacement for the ACA that Republicans had pledged to deliver failed only because of political decisions by a couple of senators, not because it was a critically flawed approach.

Going forward, he said the federal government should be clearing the way for insurance companies to sell policies across state lines—an approach Republicans have championed for years as a way of bringing down premiums by increasing competition, but that independent analysts have said would erode coverage for the elderly and already sick unless there are minimum standards like those in the ACA in place.

Instead, Mr. Zeldin said, small businesses should be able to band together and form pools of insured employees with others like them to bring down premium costs, and the federal government should be reining in medical malpractice lawsuits, allowing doctors to reduce their own malpractice insurance costs and pass savings along to patients.

Mr. Gershon, a first-time candidate, said the Republicans’ crusade against the ACA was at once flawed and futile.

“The Affordable Care Act made it possible for millions of people to buy health care who couldn’t previously, and Lee Zeldin voted to take it away,” Mr. Gershon said in an interview on Friday. “It brought coverage to people in [the 1st District] who didn’t have it. What we need to be doing is shoring up the exchanges, making sure they are competitive and making sure the mandate is not repealed—because without the coverage mandate, the costs skyrocket for seniors and those with illnesses.”

As he has since the Democratic primary last spring, Mr. Gershon says he supports the Medicare for All approach, though he acknowledges it is certainly not an approach that will be on any congressional agendas as early as the next House term.

“Medicare gives true universal coverage to everyone and is an affordable system that … is going to cost less, not more,” Mr. Gershon said. “You will reduce the burden on emergency rooms, which is the most costly way to do it, because people will go a doctor instead of avoiding it because they don’t want to pay the co-pay. Prescription drugs need the vast purchasing power of Medicare to bring costs down.”

Mr. Gershon also said the approach to immigration policy has for years, and especially since the start of the Trump administration, been deeply flawed—and that more aggressive tactics, ostensibly in the name of fighting crime in immigrant communities, actually push immigrants “into the shadows” and exacerbate crime, rather than reducing it.

He said that Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, should be pressing hard to root out gangs like MS-13 and to deport violent criminals or chronic offenders, but also should be sending a message to the rest of the immigrant community that they need not live in fear.

“The United States should not be a country of mass deportation,” Mr. Gershon said. “ICE should be going after MS-13. Violent criminals should be sent out of the country. If ICE has a judicial warrant for someone, they should be held. We need defendable borders and rules that make sense. And we should take care of the Dreamers with a new DACA act.”

He said that Mr. Zeldin’s campaign has dishonestly claimed he has supported “open borders” and the abolishment of ICE.

Mr. Zeldin made no mention of Mr. Gershon’s platform in a conversation on Friday, but said that ICE’s mission is, indeed, focused increasingly narrowly on combating the pernicious spread of MS-13’s presence in Long Island communities and on fighting human trafficking.

When asked about recent episodes on the East End of longtime residents without immigration documents being apprehended by ICE officers following non-violent arrests or routine appearances for immigration hearings, Mr. Zeldin said that the federal immigration enforcement agency is too busy to deal with non-violent criminals, but that the federal government also cannot make guarantees that undocumented immigrants who commit crimes will be allowed to remain in the country without fear of deportation.

“I do not believe someone should be deported because they are given a traffic ticket,” he said. “But we can’t create an arbitrary threshold, either. You have to start with the worst crimes, and your bandwidth will limit how far your reach goes. The law is, if you are not in our country legally, you are subject to possible removal.”

In a week when government reports showed there are nearly 900,000 more job openings in the United States than there are workers to fill them, and in a community where immigrant workers are the foundation of labor crews that employers can never fill with only citizen employees, Mr. Zeldin acknowledged that a great many jobs, particularly on the East End, could not be filled without large supplies of immigrant labor.

To that end, policy reform that allows more immigration into the United States, through accepted legal avenues like limited-term visas, should be a priority to fill the void in the job supply market, he said.

“We need more legal immigration in our country,” Mr. Zeldin said. “I know numerous employers with good-paying jobs that they cannot find someone to fill them.”

“That is a very important need that local employers have,” he acknowledged, “and a gap that should be filled with people that are here legally.”

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Zeldin and Trump are fear-mongers, plain and simple. And their base buys right into it. Pathetic.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 23, 18 9:57 AM
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You forgot, Vile & Disgusting.
By deepchanel (87), Hampton Bays on Oct 23, 18 10:30 AM
John, fear if you are illegal, plain and simple...
By knitter (1863), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 10:31 AM
Capitalism vs socialism

Limited government vs larger government

Jobs vs MOBS

Zeldin wins in a landslide
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 23, 18 10:31 AM
False dichotomies - vs - scientific facts

Lobbyists running the gov't - vs - citizens guiding the gov't

Short-sighted, frothy economic policy -vs- sustainable growth

Vote for Perry Gershon on Tue November 6th : )

By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 11:21 AM
Break a few eggs, as long as it's not you...


Trump's Tariffs Have Led to Layoffs at U.S. Manufacturers

By Renae Reints, Fortune
July 5, 2018
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 23, 18 6:29 PM
...Zeldin just precluded himself from being my congressman. Beyond despicable, brings tears to my eyes.

The first plane that hit the towers we thought might have been an accident. But with the second one, we knew we were under attack. The same applies to Zeldin's mailers.
By William Rodney (552), southampton on Oct 23, 18 10:35 AM
Have you even been a Zeldin fan?

The first negative comment may have been an accident, the next [fill in the blank] were intentional.

Zeldin all the way. Jobs vs. Mobs. One side may not be perfect, the other is just plain crazy.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 23, 18 12:02 PM
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Tell me about Trumps press conference with Kanye West. Does that fall under “not perfect” or “just plain crazy”?
By sparkhampton (27), Hampton Bays on Oct 23, 18 12:25 PM
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Po boy, go listen to a trump rally. Bluster and falsehoods. If you think that’s normal, you might want to re- think the crazy.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 12:29 PM
Exclusive – Brad Parscale: Big Tech Is Meddling with Free Speech… and Elections The biggest of the Big Tech companies are quickly positioning themselves as the internet’s thought police, threatening to stamp out one of America’s most cherished freedoms — the right to free speech. Funny how the left screams about 'Russian meddling in our elections' as they invite illegals and Big Tech to meddle in our elections.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 23, 18 1:37 PM
Have you ever even read the first amendment? In relevant part:

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

CONGRESS make no LAW.

What law are you protesting TCM?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 23, 18 1:45 PM
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"go listen to a trump rally"

Every chance I get Fred! I see countless people from all walks of life...cheering and smiling, having fun, excited about the promise of their country and it's future! I DO think that is normal.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 1:46 PM
Remember Trump's claim that "criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed" into the caravan?

A lie so egregious even he had to walk it back, but nobody is surprised.

It's certainly normal for this POTUS to lie so unabashedly, but not for others, no.

I guess you're just following his lead when you lie about Elizabeth Warren and her fake quotation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 2:30 PM
They very well could be criminals and unknown middle easterners if crossing history is any indication. Chinese and Cuban, too.

Seems it would be a fool's errand to believe otherwise.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:12 PM
It seems it’s a fool who believes trumps lies. Your framing his bogus claims as true. Sheer foolishness.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 3:23 PM
I believe the Border Patrol and I would say, so does the President.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:42 PM
The President admitted there was no evidence to support his lie.

You could at least say the same about your fake quote of Warren.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:45 PM
He admitted his lie.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 3:50 PM
He said what I said, they very well could be criminals and unknown middle easterners.

I welcome any evidence you have to refute Elizabeth Warren's quote or to shed light on the origin.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 4:01 PM
It's your assertion, why don't you substantiate it?

Oh right, because you can't and are lying about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 4:52 PM
Also, he didn't say "there could be" he said there WERE, and he said it without evidence. Just like you and Elizabeth Warren's quote. You're both liars.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 4:58 PM
“I spoke with Border Patrol [Tuesday] morning, and I spoke to them last evening, and I spoke to them the day before. I speak to them all the time. And they say — and you know this as well as anybody — over the course of the year, over the course of a number of years, they've intercepted many people from the Middle East," he said. "They've intercepted ISIS. They've intercepted all sorts of people. They've intercepted good ones and bad ones.”

“There's no proof ...more
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 8:07 AM
You're avoiding the tweet about THIS caravan where Trump clearly makes a self-admitted unsupportable claim as fact: "Criminals and unknown Middle Easterners are mixed in."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 10:01 AM
I would say given history of what has factually been encountered, without even knowing as fact in this case, is largely a correct statement having its origins based on previous factual events.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 10:29 AM
If I pick a random piece of mail and say "this package holds a bomb" without looking inside, does the fact that some packages have held bombs make my statement correct?

You carry that water, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 10:39 AM
NBC/Wall Street Journal poll: Trump Popularity, Voter Enthusiasm Reach Record Highs Ahead of Midterms

Just two week ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, President Donald Trump is enjoying an all-time high approval rating of 47 percent, up three points in one month, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

I can't think of any conservative I know who is not voting. The pollsters and Dems have no idea what's coming on election day.



By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 23, 18 1:29 PM
" East Hampton Democrat Perry Gershon" He isnt from East Hampton!!!! He is from Manhattan- his NYC politics don't belong on the East End.
Think about how you grew up here. the people and places you know as a local. Going into the local schools and businesses your whole life...
Gershon Has never dont that besides coming out to vacation.
By Hudson5050 (2), East Quogue on Oct 23, 18 5:00 PM
So you're saying if you didn't grown up on the East End, you can't represent the 1st CD. Guess that eliminates Zeldin, too.
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 23, 18 5:42 PM
Zeldin is a local? Really?
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 5:45 PM
Zeldin lives in Mastic...last I checked that is his district...
By Hudson5050 (2), East Quogue on Oct 23, 18 10:51 PM
I realize that. Gershon lives in his district too. I was being sarcastic.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 5:08 AM
Zeldin represents the folks of the 1st CD who actually work for a living , the ones who make it tick , the productive members of society much , much more than some far left whack job limousine liberal from freaking Manhattan. Jobs over MOBS every time.
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 23, 18 5:57 PM
Bluster may work in the first half, but the right wing cheerleaders don't realize their team can't survive the fourth quarter.

Courtesy of CNBC:

"The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell more than 500 points on Tuesday and was on track for its worst month since August 2015, in volatile trading that saw broad-based declines. The tech-heavy Nasdaq is on track for its lowest close in nearly six months.

The Trump administration has slapped tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 23, 18 6:41 PM
One of the best Fed Chairs in history. BTW, #Itoldyouso

Former Fed chief Volcker warns of US descent into 'plutocracy'
By Sylvan Lane
10/23/18 01:07 PM ED

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker said in an interview published Tuesday that the United States is “developing into a plutocracy” and suffering from a crisis in good governance.

Volcker, 91, told The New York Times that he feared the the skill and reputation of the U.S. government has ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 23, 18 6:49 PM
Here's L'ii Donnie Johnny's record on the most important issues of the day. On immigration, no wall, no Mexico paying (one of his many lies that right wing nuts fell hook, line, and sinker), no immigration reform bills, nada, zilch, zero. Meanwhile if you can pull yourself away from Faux news, Obama, nickname the deporter-in-chief, deported more people than all the other Presidents put together. Open borders is Drumpf rhetoric. I thought that those south of the border were so fearful on the orange ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 8:22 PM
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You do realize the wall is being built? Whether Mexico pays for it, that is TBD, but in the end, isn't it more important to enhance national security? If you think Obama deported more than all the other President's put together, he did so by redefining the definition of apprehension and deportation. Democrats are the party of open borders, socialism and disbanding ICE. Every one of those 21,000 border agents will tell you the same thing. Build the wall, the border is NOT secure.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 4:08 PM
Yup, that nasty socialism. I know plenty of right wingers were happy to get an unemployment check when they lost a job. Social Security was necessary because Americans were too irresponsible to save for retirement. So instead of having millions on the street begging for food and shelter, you've got Social Security and some form of health coverage with Medicare. Isn't it interesting you hardly ever see border agent higher-ups on television? I would think they're opinions would be important. However, ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 6:11 AM
On health care, Trump had no plan before he got elected. His campaign promise of giving everyone a better policy for less money was, of course was a huge lie. Instead of working to tweak Obamacare, he went at it at his usual divisive best and failed miserably. Premiums are skyrocketing, Republicans still don't have a plan except to repeal. Two years in, nada, zilch ,zero. Grade on Healthcare F.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 8:28 PM
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On Infrastructure, zero, nada, zilch. Very envious on the Chinese though, building really, really big bridges. Grade on Infrastructure F.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 8:32 PM
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On International Alliances and Allies. Well you know they're still laughing at Trump, who mistakenly thought he was at another of his lemming rallies. Yup, we're the laughingstock of the world. Speaking of Putin, no tough talk when it comes to Syria. I guess the barbaric Assad goes right back in power as the Russian puppet. What no degrading names for Putin? Tariffs were a disaster in the 1930's, we''ll see. A lot of people are suffering mightily from these tariffs. Isn't it interesting with big ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 8:43 PM
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On the Deficit. Remember when tea-baggers dominated the right wing nut scene. Now crickets. He bragged he was going to balance the budget, and finish the deficit. Just another campaign promise that was pure fantasy. I bet you feel good the rich are enjoying they're tax break with a $100 steak at the Palm and buying their fourth home. Your tax break, more fantasy( I paid more in taxes) should buy you a nice dinner at Sabroso's. Meanwhile the increase in gasoline, wipes that and more away. So we have ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 8:55 PM
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Wait, wasn't it Obama who extended the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy and Nancy Pelosi who priased a $40 payroll tax cut passed by Obama as “a victory for all Americans” that will “make a difference.” by called $1,000 bonuses under the Trump tax cut "crumbs and pathetic?" And Obama who wanted to and acknowledged that his energy policy "would necessarily increase" energy prices which DID impact the middle class the most?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:21 PM
What else did Obama do in 2012? Let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Is a payroll tax cut applicable to more Americans than as Estate Tax cut which is only paid by millionaires? Yes it is.

Did everyone get a $1,000 bonus under the Trump tax cuts? No.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:24 PM
Everyone got more than $40!!!
Oct 24, 18 3:33 PM appended by Po Boy
Maybe not everyone, I don't like the use of "everyone"...BUT Pelosi's statement was specific to those who DID get bonuses!!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:33 PM
Who got more than $40? Over how much time?

If you earn between $10-20K you get an average of $50 more over the whole year.

If you earn between $50-75K you get an average of $870 more over the whole year. That's less than $35 per paycheck if you're paid every two weeks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:41 PM
Which has nothing to do with Pelosi's "crumbs" remark. But, the average household would get a tax cut of $1,610 in 2018, a bump of about 2.2 percent in that average household's income, according to a report released by the Tax Policy Center on the bill that went to the President's desk, that's $62 a month.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:48 PM
Psst...$62 times 12 months isn't $1,610.
Oct 25, 18 4:51 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And no, Pelosi's comment was NOT specific to those who got bonuses.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 4:51 PM
LOL...oh, right, gee got me on that one...love it when ego takes center stage for a democrat...about $134 per month, $67 per pay check if they get paid twice per month. The original calculation boiled down to roughly pay check, and rounding over 52 weeks.
Oct 26, 18 8:28 AM appended by Po Boy
Yeah, Pelosi’s comment to crumbs also follows her claim that 83 percent of the tax cuts go to the wealthiest 1 percent, cherry-picking Tax Policy Center tax cut benefit analysis using 2027 data to justify her crumbs remark. . That’s true for 2027, but only because most of the individual income tax changes expire by then.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 8:28 AM
Thank you for clarifying your incorrect statement, even if it was in less-than-graceful fashion.

Nevertheless, your comment is a great example of why median is preferably to average in many cases.
Oct 26, 18 8:35 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
preferable*
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 8:35 AM
The alleged requirement of "grace" would indicate an error on my part made to the detriment of your position. Pomposity however got the better of the canary in this case.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 8:42 AM
The incorrect use of English words as a second language
exemplified.
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 26, 18 8:43 AM
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Since you ignored my critique of your use of averages, allow me to illustrate my point: Bill Gates walks into a room and on average we're all millionaires.

That's why I cited the $870 figure...median household income in the U.S. is just under $60K.

Thanks for your grammar critique, PW! I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, but it's always nice of you to join us.
Oct 26, 18 8:49 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
There's also no "requirement" that you be graceful, I'm just noting that you weren't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 8:49 AM
On the economy, the tangerine toddler brags about the unemployment rates, greatest ever. Obama took the ball down to the two yard line and he ran it in. African-American rates under Obama, 12.7%, spiking to 16.8 in March 2010, down to 7.8% when he finished for a difference of 4.9%. The child-liar-in-chief has taken it down to 6.0% for a difference of 1.8%, but takes all the credit, how do you figure that. Unemployment rate was 7.8% when Obama came in, spiking to 10.0% in October 2009. He finished ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:09 PM
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On the mood of the country. The biggest lie of all, at his inauguration, he would be a President for all the people. The most divisive President in history, Us and them in every speech. The job is way too big for a petulant narcissistic child. He will always be a little, classless lowlife. Grade on the mood of the country F.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:15 PM
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I find it interesting that right wing nuts called Ford weak or a liar. Yet, I have never heard anyone criticize a man coming forward from thirty years ago that he was molested by a Priest.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:20 PM
Really? do you find the Keith Ellison hypocrisy just as interesting ?
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 24, 18 7:32 AM
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"The [divorce] documents, which were obtained by the Star Tribune, contained no allegation that Keith Ellison abused his ex-wife. They did, however, contain a 2015 statement in which he reported that his ex-wife had hit him throughout their 25-year marriage."

Womp womp.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 7:42 AM
So what does this all mean? Vote on November 6th. If you want the same results as what the Orange Orangutan has done ,then vote for Zeldin. He doesn't have an original thought in his head and will follow the party line line right till the end. Make America normal again!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:23 PM
I forgot one other, Gun Reform. Why don't you ask what steps Drumpf has taken to mitigate the chances of another mass shooting. With innocent people, teen-agers, concert goers, church goers being butchered and massacred across the nation, what has he done, nada, zilch, zero but he did offer his thoughts and prayers. Grade on Gun Reform F.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:28 PM
You mean, like redefining the ban of bump stocks that the Obama administration green lighted multiple times?

Btw, just like "immigration reform" means amnesty, "gun reform" means confiscation...one survey* found "73 percent of self-identified Democrats “strongly” favor banning semi-automatic firearms. The survey found that an additional nine percent “somewhat” favor a ban of that sort.

Translation: 82 percent of surveyed Democrats say they favor a ban on ...more
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:32 PM
Gun reform means making sure mental defectives don't have an easy time purchasing guns. It also means maybe it's time to raise the age limit on certain weapons. Maybe, it's time to make people run through more hoops before owning a gun. Just common sense ideas, if it prevents one mass massacre it was well worth it. Nobody is taking away your playthings. How many guns were taken away during the Obama administration? That's right none, try to be more than a Fox talking point machine.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 10:58 AM
Po boy, post the survey. Not looking for your opinions, just facts.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 11:13 AM
Your on a roll
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:33 PM
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On the environment, Drumpf thinks that burning coal won't have a negative effect on our environment. Let's see, fossil fuels and methane, traps gases on our atmosphere, raising the temperatures on the land and sea, causing more horrific storms. But you believe Drumpf and not the 97% of scientists who believe in climate change. Imagine that conversation with your grandkids after your house gets flooded, that you thought Drumpf knew what he talking about with his extensive science background. Dumping ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 9:37 PM
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Good going, Mets fan. All of this comprises an American authoritarian kleptocracy backed by millionaire white nationalists both in the US and abroad, meant to strip our country down for parts, often using ethnic violence to do so. Not a win for anyone but them. A devastating loss and a dangerous threat for the rest.
Oct 23, 18 10:01 PM appended by June Bug
"Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first." - Charles de Gaulle
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 23, 18 10:01 PM
Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) — who is eyeing a 2020 presidential bid against President Trump — says the United States should be “welcoming” migrant caravans that arrive at the nation’s southern border.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 24, 18 7:43 AM
She didn't say that and you're a liar.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 7:49 AM
Watch–Kamala Harris: Americans Must be ‘Welcoming,’ ‘Tolerant’ to Caravan By John Binder Breitbart 23 Oct 2018
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 24, 18 7:55 AM
Yes, I encourage everyone to watch the video, but to do it on YouTube instead of Breitbart so they don't get your views.

She was asked about "the administration's tone on the caravan" and responded that our strength has traditionally come from being tolerant and welcoming of immigrants instead of vilifying them.

She said she didn't like the way Trump was talking about them, not that we should welcome 7,500 people into the country without scrutiny, that's ridiculous.
Oct 24, 18 8:14 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
For anyone interested, the editorialized title on youtube is: "Kamala Harris Implies US Should Be 'Welcoming' Migrant Caravan To US"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 8:14 AM
^^^^
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 23, 18 10:20 PM
... both candidates make my skin crawl. We all lose.
By William Rodney (552), southampton on Oct 24, 18 6:13 AM
I sense no confidence or upbeat tones from democrats excited about an alleged forthcoming blue wave.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 24, 18 6:58 AM
NBC/Wall Street Journal poll: Trump Popularity, Voter Enthusiasm Reach Record Highs Ahead of Midterms

Just two week ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, President Donald Trump is enjoying an all-time high approval rating of 47 percent, up three points in one month, according to an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll.

I can't think of any conservative I know who is not voting. The pollsters and Dems have no idea what's coming on election day.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 24, 18 7:30 AM
I am quickly losing interest in this site. It is obvious the press has hired some new know it all web manager that thinks making this site harder and less enjoyable for none subscribers is funny. If your objective is to get rid of us then you have found the right formula, the constant security sign ins and now this huge black slash page telling you that you have reached your Maxim of 7 articles is VERY annoying. to the point I find myself sub consciously staying away !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 24, 18 7:39 AM
You should start a GoFundMe for your subscription fee.

What would we do without you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 7:47 AM
by the way there is your "new know it all web manager"
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 24, 18 7:52 AM
Certainly a self-admitted sanctimonious know-it-all, but I'm no "web manager" or plenty of folks would have gone the way of PW and the dodo a long time ago.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 8:48 AM
Use your tax break for a subscription, how cheap can you be? What is it forty five dollars a year? As much as I abhor your posts, I always listen first to opposing views. As a matter of fact, you do a better job on exposing on how ugly the right is than I can.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:56 AM
Its not about money its about privacy, You would love to get your hands on conservatives addresses wouldn't you.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 24, 18 12:24 PM
Personally, I couldn't care less, but if you're worried about privacy that's what a P.O. Box is for.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 12:31 PM
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The New York Times on "What Could Hold Back a Democratic Wave? Economy, Confidence, Independence" By Patricia Cohen and Sydney Ember
Oct. 23, 2018

In many neighborhoods with key House races, daily life is pretty good. Unemployment is at a five-decade low. Confidence is spilling over among consumers and businesses. The economy is on track to grow at its fastest pace in years.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 24, 18 7:51 AM
Obama is the one who started the good daily life. What we have is what, 107 months of a bull market, with Drumpf responsible for 20 of them.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:59 AM
You've managed to touch on the one issue with the bull market of "economy, confidence and independence" that a president has the least influence. See quantitative easing

Obama's magic wand comment is more telling of the Obama stagnation on the economy when he challenged candidate Trump's promise to bring back jobs to the United States when talking about manufacturing - "He just says, well, I’m going to negotiate a better deal. Well, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? What ...more
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 9:17 AM
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OK, so let’s look at the two issues named in this article:

Health care — Almost everyone likes the Affordable Care Act, but Zeldin wants to sink it, while Gershon’s all for it. That’s one out of two for Perry Gershon.

Immigration — Without immigrants, none of the work around here will get done, and everyone knows it. That’s two out of two for Perry Gershon.

Case closed. Vote for Perry Gershon for Congress on November 6th.
By Turkey Bridge (1957), Quiogue on Oct 24, 18 9:11 AM
"Almost everyone likes the Affordable Care Act" LAUGHABLE! There is good and bad in Obamacare. To say one wants to sink it and one is all for it, might not be a good argument for Perry Gershon.

"Immigration — Without immigrants..." Zeldin is not anti-"immigration"

Face it. If you have to use misleading statement to induce fear to win votes, you might want to reconsider the candidate you're pushing.

Case closed. Vote for Lee Zeldin for Congress on November 6th.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 9:45 AM
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Case open. Premiums and copays on health insurance were unaffordable to many under OC, then were forced to pay to opt out. Duh.
Open your doors and invite undocumented immigrants to live in your house, feed them and educate them and their kids asw they send money earned back to home country - while many of US citizens struggle to support themselves. Duh.
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Oct 24, 18 9:25 AM
Can we please all agree not to threaten, intimidate or attempt to physically harm those whose opinions differ from ours?

Anybody who encourages, endorses or engages in violence against others based on a difference of opinion is a despicable pathetic excuse for a human.

Everybody should be treated with respect, dignity and feel safe expressing their non-violent opinions. Spread peace and love : )
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 11:12 AM
Beware of false flag attacks against the Dem's to blame President Trump and Conservatives before election ! Its all B S They are desperate !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 12:20 PM
@ Ditch Bum: Your idol has nothing positive to run on so the only BS is that being spewed by the Liar-in-Chief. In spades. As for your "false flags", try the "caravan" on for size. Funny, isn't it, that they've been happening for 20 odd years, and this is the first time we've gotten to see one, and just coincidentally in time for the election. The August and September ones were both more than twice as large. Further, they are always handled by international refugee orgs, and never reach ...more
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 24, 18 5:02 PM
If they are willing to use fake allegations of drugging and gang raping women against a Supreme Court Justice and fake allegations of Russian collusion against a sitting President, they will be willing to fake a "suspicious package addressed to John Brennan''
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 12:29 PM
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CNN is now reporting that it was not a bomb after all. It was a handmade clock.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 1:37 PM
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CNN colluding with Dims. Has Jim Accosta been seen dressed as mailman? Don't be Fooled ..... U.S. Army Veteran and trial lawyer Kurt Schlichter has sensationally claimed that the mail bombs targeting the Clintons, George Soros, CNN and others could be a “leftist scam”.
Responding to the wave of suspicious devices that have been discovered today, Schlichter, who is a Fox News contributor, suggested that the entire plot could be a political hoax designed to make conservatives look ...more
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 1:39 PM
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Since nobody can tell me I'll ask AGAIN: if the caravan is a political operation, what is the objective? How does it help democrats?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 2:25 PM
this has now been upgraded to 9 to 14 thousand, very concerning

GROWING INVASION FORCE OVERWHELMS MEXICAN AUTHORITIES – APPROXIMATELY 7,000 NOW TRAVELING THROUGH MEXICO TO U.S. SOUTHERN BORDER

Associated Press: Estimates as to the number of economic migrants varies between 7,000 to 10,000 and the numbers are growing fast The heavily financed horde of Central American migrants has overwhelmed the token resistance from Mexican military and advanced north toward the Southern ...more
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 24, 18 2:31 PM
So no answer to my question, thank you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:00 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Enviro Guy (44), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 9:33 AM
You should really see a mental health professional...
By Enviro Guy (44), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 9:33 AM
Obamacare caused my insurance rates to increase by over 50%!! Increased deductible, increased prescription costs and limited provider choices. 3 different companies in five years and Blue Cross decided to eliminate the policy we now have.
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 24, 18 1:40 PM
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Your child-liar-in-chief promised you a better policy for less money, what happened? He said he's the greatest dealmaker in the world, what happened? I'll tell you what happened, he had no plan before the election, two years later, they still don't have a plan.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 4:24 PM
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Your child-liar-in-chief promised you a better policy for less money, what happened? He said he's the greatest dealmaker in the world, what happened? I'll tell you what happened, he had no plan before the election, two years later, they still don't have a plan.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 4:24 PM
It was our former Community Organizer in Chief Barak Hussein Obama who destroyed the health insurance system for many of us , it's now the LAW, President Trump can't decree that Obamacare is null and void. The only ones who benefited under this plan implemented by our product of affirmative action were His freestuffer base. The self employed bear the brunt of this scam.
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 24, 18 4:42 PM
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My very affordable Oxford/United Healthcare plan with -zero- deductible established under my business was non-renewed upon enactment of the ACA. The plan was considered “discriminatory” and not in compliance with ACA guidelines. The closest option through the Marketplace cost 50% more, with a 10% deductible and fewer providers. My net increase under Obama’s Unaffordable Care Act before Trump took office was 100% (I actually thought it was less as stated in a prior comment) followed ...more
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:36 PM
The ACA was one of the sloppiest pieces of legislation ever! Many taxpayers are still waiting for their Premium Tax Credit refunds for TY’s 2016/2017 under the disastrous Unaffordable Card Act. The IRS’ IRM procedure for verifying benchmark plans when no APTC is paid, is in violation of Federal US Code for alternative reporting methods, disallowing alternative benchmark plan reporting utilizing Marketplace tools which is the only verification method available for unsubsidized plans. ...more
Oct 24, 18 8:45 PM appended by SDG1776
ACA enactment was rushed, having some near fatal flaws. IRS wouldn’t acknowledge HealthCare.gov as a marketplace right out of the starting gate...King v. Burwell...what’s that, 38 states? AG Pax­ton multi state Oba­macare tax lawsuit. IRS Guidance On Circular Reference in Obamacare Premium Subsidy and Deduction....Who’s the genius who devised this and how long did it take Intuit and others to remedy? 26 CFR 1.36B-5 (c)(3)(ii) disallowed and only method, consider yourself screwed if you have an unsubsidized plan and and claim a Premium Tax Credit...IRS won’t allow it if they request verification.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:45 PM
The lobbyists designed it to fail, so you could cry about "too much government" when cost were out of control anyhow.

Love how the GOP tends to crash steady economies, blow budget surpluses, and of course deficit spend while pointing their finger; with three pointing back...
Oct 24, 18 10:12 PM appended by Mr. Z
We know you can't accept it, but Obama hit a triple with the economy. All Trump had to do was pinch run to home plate.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 24, 18 10:12 PM
Barack Obama was forcing everyone to get insurance or be fined. How is that giving in the free stuffer base? I was self-employed, the problems started in the Bush era.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 5:56 AM
Interesting that attention is now on this instead of what’s going on south of the border. i say baloney, it’s a leftist set up to make it appear that a “republican” sent the “bombs”.
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 24, 18 2:47 PM
Is anyone saying a Republican sent the bombs?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:24 PM
Maybe it was a Democrat tired of seeing their party hijacked?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:39 PM
I don't think we know enough about the perpetrator(s) to make assumptions. Do you know something we don't?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 3:42 PM
Keeping an open mind and exploring all the possibilities is good investigative principle. But to your question, I'd say, normally, yes.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 24, 18 3:58 PM
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Clearly I was talking about whether you're privy to special information in THIS case, but since we're speculating on all possibilities...it could even be a green party member! Or an independent!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 5:10 PM
I give you for Congress, the Repub Retread, Zeldy the Human Printing Error
(in 2016 and 2018). With special robocalls from Dr. Quackerjack who clearly never read the ACA. Zeldy afraid to defend his Rose Garden dance so he's gets FakeDoc on his burner to do it! Nice. Zeldy, so listen, Orange 45 may try to gaslight us, but you won't get away with it in NY01. Flush Zeldy out into Montauk
Harbor!
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 24, 18 6:29 PM
I'm sure you all have heard this before but I just wanted to post it here for fun. This one is for Metsfan, Junebug, Fred and Fore1n: “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the U.S., undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, lawfully to become immigrants in this country” — Barack Hussein Obama

Love ya!
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 24, 18 8:16 PM
Has anyone you named every advocated for letting people into the U.S. undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people waiting?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 8:29 PM
@Disease: So nice to see you agree with our former and great president, but l have the same question as Fred s.
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 24, 18 8:37 PM
Diseased, why is that for me?seeking asylum is patiently waiting in line. Explain why this post is aimed at me.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:21 PM
Diseased, I call out people on their nonsensical posts, yours included.your post is another foolish attempt at legitimacy.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:38 PM
Triggered much??

You're smart people....I think you can figure out why I posted it. Liberals are hypocrites. That's your short answer.
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 24, 18 8:45 PM
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So nobody you named has advocated for that, got it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 24, 18 8:47 PM
Diseased, post some of my comments on these matters. I don’t believe I’ve advocated anything you posted. It amazes me how you constantly try to prove your wacky points of view, only to fall flat. Get some rest, your acting nutty.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 24, 18 8:57 PM
not a "caravan". an invasion. look at those scenes of the invaders waving honduran flags and ripping apart fences to stampede through mexico into america.

they know the left has rigged our laws so all they have to do is step foot on our soil and they will get released into the country permanently. and if they succeed, imagine the signal that sends to the rest of central and south america.

this is really dangerous
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 25, 18 12:34 AM
Open borders is the tangerine toddler's rhetoric. Disease check out Obama's deportation and removals numbers. There are 21,000 border agents. 21,000 Americans paid to defend the border. Barack Obama wasn't sitting on a mesa in the Rio Grande waving them in like a third base coach.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 6:02 AM
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Exclusive — Bernard Kerik, NYC’s 9/11 Top Cop: I Walked off CNN When They Politicized Mail Bombs, Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik told Breitbart News Tonight Wednesday evening that he had walked off a CNN set earlier in the day because the network had politicized its coverage of mail bombs sent to top Democratic Party figures.
Kerik, who led the New York Police Department (NYPD) during the 9/11 terror attacks, told hosts Rebecca Mansour and Joel Pollak that ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 25, 18 12:18 AM
Bernard Kerik? Now, there's a guy to look up to.

A guy who left his child and her mother behind when he left Korea after an Army tour. A guy who got his corrections and police jobs by falsifying his education credentials. A guy guilty of numerous ethics violations. A guy who employed illegal immigrants in his own home. A guy who took a quarter of a million dollars from a foreign government official and lied about it. A guy who took another quarter million from a real estate mogul ...more
By VOS (1224), WHB on Oct 25, 18 2:50 AM
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Chim chim, the list goes on and on. He’s a convicted felon with zero credibility. Yeah, great example. Breitbart is digging up the dregs of society, good choice. Another pathetic post to add to the long list of breitbart garbage.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 5:11 AM
Fmr FBI Asst. Director: Bomb Plot Culprit 'Could Be Someone Who Is Trying to Get The Democratic Vote Out And Incur Sympathy'Former FBI Assistant Director Chris Swecker on Wednesday said investigators are going to consider all possibilities when it comes to determining the motive of the culprit who sent suspected explosive devices.

Fake bombs for sympathy. Straight out of Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. The Dems are oozing desperation now.

By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 25, 18 7:19 AM
If we're talking about who it "could be" then let's consider that it "could be" someone who simply wants to kill Democratic leaders and Trump critics.

Occam's razor, folks.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 25, 18 7:50 AM
Geez, Kerik left and they were down a liar. They should have called Lyin Lee who voted against ACA - now insists he and Orange Julius have continued to
back insurance for pre-existing conditions even as TODAY, General Beau Sessions is in a Texas federalcourt arguiing the exact opposite!. He is arguing to killthat protection! Wake The F up people. Lyin Lee thinks you are loinfo voters who dont know what is going on. You can toss lying Lee out in two weeks. As for Orange, that would be two years, ...more
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 25, 18 3:47 AM
Geez, Kerik left and they were down a liar. They should have called Lyin Lee who voted against ACA - now insists he and Orange Julius have continued to
back insurance for pre-existing conditions even as TODAY, General Beau Sessions is in a Texas federalcourt arguiing the exact opposite!. He is arguing to killthat protection! Wake The F up people. Lyin Lee thinks you are loinfo voters who dont know what is going on. You can toss lying Lee out in two weeks. As for Orange, that would be two years, ...more
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 25, 18 3:47 AM
Anyine see a close-up picture of a perfectly posed mail bomb just after it was opened before? This was a first for me. Whoever opened that package to CNN and had the nerve to snap and post pics sure was brave. lol.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 6:18 AM
Fake dossier
Fake collusion
Fake obstruction
Fake drugging and gang rapes
Fake bombs
Fake outrage
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 6:37 AM
Last minute Alt Left get out the vote scam designed to change the national conversation
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 25, 18 6:59 AM
That's a lot of assumptions you're making, Ditch. Occam's razor is the proposition that the explanation which makes the fewest assumptions is the one most likely to be right.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 25, 18 8:03 AM
There sending fake pipe bombs to themselves now ! LOL

DESPERATE !

By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 25, 18 6:53 AM
I will continue to say that education is still the #1 problem in this country. It's "they're" as in "they are".

Sorry Fred, you don't get a pass either. It's "you're both nuts".

This has been a PSA.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 25, 18 12:13 PM
Johnj, no problem. Most of the time it’s autocorrect. But I admit I’m lame. Thanks for the correction.they are still nuts.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 12:18 PM
Bum and ud, your both nuts. Your posts confirm that. You two have no morals or sense.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 7:20 AM
Sounds like standard prevaricator worshiping, conspiracy nut qualifications for right wing membership.

And gullibility. Don't forget that one.

The GOP: Burning budget surpluses and steady economies to the ground for over forty years...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 7:15 PM
FALSE FLAG FRED
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 25, 18 7:26 AM
Bum, seek mental help, immediately.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 7:33 AM
Let us hope the DEMOCRAT responsible for these phony bombs is soon caught. This is a Democrat diversionary tactic to take your eyes off the border. VOTE STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 25, 18 7:34 AM
Occam's razor says it was someone who wants to kill Democratic leaders and Trump critics.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 25, 18 7:56 AM
Didn’t have to peel back many layers to figure that out.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 8:03 AM
Dan, get a group rate for a mental evaluation with the rest of your false flag nuts. This is unbelievable.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 7:41 AM
Not a single one of these "bombs" went off, hmmmmm. Democrat Party leftists sending bombs to themselves would make sure they didn't detonate, fake bombs to go with all the other fake crap they have been dishing out, pathetic. Look a squirrel !!
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 25, 18 2:20 PM
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You're making lots of assumptions, BF.

Why not let law enforcement do their job?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 25, 18 2:34 PM
Big duck, your as nuts as the rest of the righty posters on here. The only squirrel is the one popping in and out of your head collecting nuts. Your pathetic.”bombs”? you’re a dud.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 2:46 PM
Two dopes above, no waiting !
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 25, 18 2:58 PM
Thanks PW. Can you give us a good reason to speculate instead of waiting for the official findings from investigators?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 25, 18 3:07 PM
Shan't "themarlinspike" meet the same fate as the previous user profile?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 7:13 PM
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WATCH LIVE: NYPD AND FBI GIVE UPDATE ON FAKE BOMBER AS AMERICA REJECTS #MAGABOMBER NARRATIVE
Desperate leftists rush to blame Trump for non-lethal “bombs”

Police say bombs were incapable of detonating and promise to find a suspect.

Its preety sad when the MSM want to blame President Trump so bad that you have to go to Info Wars to here any honest discussion on this
Oct 25, 18 6:03 PM appended by 27dan
VIDEO: UNANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MAIL BOMBER What the media is not asking Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 25, 18 6:03 PM
Yep. We should implicitly trust a fake news and conspiracy nut website.

NOT.

L-O-S-E-R spells...
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 7:12 PM
BTW, the bombs had timers and were live.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 7:23 PM
Vast majority of public see through terror story as most likely to be a dirty Democrat publicity stunt just days ahead of midterms... Many believe the Democrat operatives made these non-working "bombs" to garner sympathy for their communist candidates and leaders weeks before the elections.The only ones who are on board with this at this point are CNN and their idiot followers who believe anything they see on the Clinton News Network !.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 25, 18 9:19 PM
Infowars? Jeez, your over the edge.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 25, 18 6:44 PM
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In other news, a little tidbit for the denialists and dopes:

Antarctic Ocean carbon dioxide helped end the Ice Age
October 25, 2018, University of Bristol

To bring back these important samples, the team spent months in the freezing waters of the Drake Passage, between South America and Antarctica. "Most people think of corals as tropical creatures, but they also live deep beneath the waves in some of the world's most extreme deep-sea environments," said Dr. Andrea Burke from ...more
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 7:33 PM
Very interesting statistics, but your fly is open.
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 25, 18 7:57 PM
It's time to call out somebody on this website for being a liberal, know-it-all, condescending and downright rude. Fred. I've been noticing how nasty you are to many of the posters here....especially the conservative ones. We all may disagree on certain political topics and sometimes the rhetoric goes too far but to call EVERYONE that you disagree with crazy, is just wrong. Here's a small example: "Bum and Ud....both nuts", "me...getting nutty", "Bum...seek mental help", "Dan...get a group evaluation ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 25, 18 8:37 PM
Believing conspiracies has consequences.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 25, 18 8:42 PM
Your spreading conspiracy theories. They are false misleading statements.they are nuts, the truth hurts. I’m not censoring anyone. They are saying the sky is falling with no prof. Keep defending them, that’s your right. Your false flag nonsense is just plain crazy. You think it’s fine, decent people think it’s nuts. Just like sandy hook was a false flag operation. Jade helm was real too. I take take it back, your normal. Feel better? I stand by my statements.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 5:13 AM
Censoring and expunging opinion you don't agree with has worse consequences... or doesn't the left believe in free speech anymore ? Very telling indeed !
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 25, 18 9:12 PM
From Wikipedia....A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy—generally one involving an illegal or harmful act supposedly carried out by government or other powerful actors—without credible evidence.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 5:25 AM
Lord do I hope and pray that these "bombs" get traced back to some raging liberal with an agenda. Conspiracy theory or not, it would be up there with Hillary losing and Kavanaugh getting confirmed. Please let it be true!!!!!
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 25, 18 10:57 PM
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What a weird thing to pray for. I wonder how god feels about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 6:35 AM
CNN's Acosta: Americans Are Wondering If President Trump Is Secretly A White Nationalist. lol Really Jim ?

Actually, Jim, more Americans are wondering if you consider yourself to be a journalist or if CNN considers itself to be a news organization. It's apparent the answer to both questions is NO. Acosta is a hyper-partisan left wing democrat shill and CNN is literally "fake news". Bitter Acosta is nailing the Democratic talking points and doing their work for them. Acosta is a disgrace ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 26, 18 9:26 AM
How is it bigoted or racist to wonder whether Trump is a white nationalist?

Who is bashing all whites? The issue is with those who believe America is a nation of white people for white people.

If you're unclear on who the white nationalists are, look for tiki torches.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 9:33 AM
Diseased, no, your post is that of a “normal” mind .
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 5:26 AM
If you take away the fake bombs this is a extraordinarily slow news period just good job numbers and the 10,000 plus invasion caravan approaching from the south to get those jobs.

Its actually very peaceful great job president trump !
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 26, 18 8:56 AM
Fake van too!
By Pacman (267), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 1:12 PM
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Kamala Harris to Caravan: We Are A "Welcoming" Country

REPORTER: Is there a political upshot to the Trump administration's tone on the caravan?
SEN. KAMALA HARRIS (D-CA): Absolutely not. Listen, we are a country that our strength has always been that we are a tolerant country, that we are welcoming in particular of those who have fled harm.

Yes Kamala, that is exactly why we don't want extreme leftists like yourself running our government, as we need to control who comes into ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 26, 18 9:21 AM
Thank you for posting the full exchange.

This way everyone can make up their own minds on whether she's actually saying we should let in thousands of people who just show up.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 9:28 AM
USA to send 800 more troops to Mexico border... By Robert Burns and Jill Colvin Associated Press.... Totally organized stunt timed for the election to motivate voters. Maybe MS-13 will kidnap them, if there are any MS-13 left in Mexico, Congress needs to change the laws regarding illegal entry to include jail time at the boarder than deportation.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 26, 18 9:33 AM
What kind of voters are motivated by a mob of people marching toward the border? Those supporting hard-line immigration policies!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 9:45 AM
Hard-line immigration policies???? LOL....

How many of the thousands claimed asylum and were officially processed as such in the first contiguous country they crossed into - as is required by law - before making the next hundreds of miles trek to the United States?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 10:35 AM
I'm not commenting on what these folks should do or should have done, nor whether they should be admitted since all cases should be decided individually (as you are wont to say), just pointing out that just as many reactionary votes if not more are going to come from people opposed to their admission into the U.S.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 10:42 AM
"(as you are wont to say)"

LOL
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:05 PM
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I, for one, am shocked by the revelation that the MAGAbomber is a Trump supporter.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 26, 18 11:42 AM
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Don't worry, even if he admits in open court that he was incited by Trump to commit violence, just as Alvin Bamberger did, Trump supporters won't care.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 11:48 AM
From google.......Police removed the van belonging to the suspect from a parking lot in Florida, which was covered in pro-Trump bumper stickers including a large one depicting the president. diseased, this must break your heart. I’m just glad they caught him,
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 12:09 PM
Did you go to the Bumper Sticker Police Academy? Don’t be such a liberal and rush to judgement. I need more facts. Don’t want to get into another Kavanaugh all over again. Nothing in this world is as it seems...
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 26, 18 1:00 PM
"I need more facts" aka " I need to wait until Alex Jones cooks up some conspiracy about how he was a liberal plant w/ ties to Russia and Hillary and the alt-left.

No DiseasedBrain, nothing in your world is as it seems to the rest of us with actual ties to reality.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 26, 18 1:21 PM
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In all fairness, Disease never said she actually thought it was a Democrat, just hoped, wished, and prayed to her maker that it was.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 1:35 PM
Hey Disease: Here's a fact or two for you: The pipe bomb suspect’s Facebook account is filled with photos of him at Trump events wearing a MAGA hat and holding MAGA signs, as well as pro-Trump memes. And Faux News is blocking out the stickers on his van. Repeat: Faux News is blocking out the stickers on his van. There's your "nothing is as it seems".
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 26, 18 1:40 PM
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Diseased, you never let facts get in the way before. Your one of the conspiracy theory guys. Now you want facts? Your classic. In reality, I agree. I’m just glad no one was hurt or killed. Left or right it’s just another nut job.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 1:07 PM
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Thank goodness the terrorist has been caught. Now can we also arrest the raging fake president for incitement?
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 26, 18 1:30 PM
POTUS Praises Quick Arrest: ‘We must not let political violence take root in America’

By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 26, 18 1:56 PM
FAKE BOMB PATSY IDENTIFIED LEE HARVEY SAYOC
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 1:52 PM
Rolling down the boulevard in a MAGA plastered van, LOL.

Y'all'd be funny, if it weren't so stupid.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 26, 18 9:49 PM
Ditch bum, I stand by my post that your nuts. You got your flag flying in a steady wind.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 1:53 PM
Not so fast there Bitter Freddy... Something still doesn't smell right, They solved this case faster than it took the FBI to clear Hillary Clinton, and they did that in advance! and now some sources are calming this guy is a registered Democrat lets see how this plays out !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 26, 18 2:00 PM
From Fox News: "Sayoc, a registered Republican, has a lengthy criminal history in Florida dating back to 1991...His social media accounts are also full of him attending MAGA rallies."

Sorry Ditch, you don't get to make asinine assumptions about false flag attacks then expect to not get called out when all the evidence, even on conservative media, is that it was a Trump supporter.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 26, 18 2:03 PM
Ditch bum, what smells is your denial of the current facts.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:05 PM
Sorry, Ditch, the problem is that the stench surrounding partisan politics and the lying, cheating and deception practiced by the current administration and its lackeys in the right wing media has precluded you and millions of other low information voters from accurately smelling the winds of change.

Your problem is that reality is an alien concept to you and yours so much that even with brilliant facts shining in your face you choose to ignore them and create your own fantastic scenario ...more
By VOS (1224), WHB on Oct 26, 18 2:42 PM
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Erin, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:29 PM
Big Fresh, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:30 PM
a leftist
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 27, 18 7:23 AM
Big duck, more foolishness on your part. It’s expected of you. False claims and bs posts.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:28 AM

Not a single one of these "bombs" went off, hmmmmm. Democrat Party leftists sending bombs to themselves would make sure they didn't detonate, fake bombs to go with all the other fake crap they have been dishing out, pathetic. Look a squirrel !! There’s your pathetic post. That squirrel ate the last nut you possess.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:31 AM
Are you a Russian bot big fresh?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 9:15 AM
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joe hampton, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:30 PM
Ditch bum ,can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:31 PM
27 dan, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:32 PM
Un doc, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:32 PM
Slime, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:33 PM
yes.

fake bombs
fake outrage.

stay tuned.
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:07 AM
According to the FBI, they weren’t fake. A guy sends bombs in the mail, it’s not fake outrage, it’s real.hes your boy, deal with it.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:26 AM
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Another Russian bot weighing in. Certainly not an American. Fake slime!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 9:12 AM
Mets fan, the sad part is they are real Americans. Kinda scary these nuts live amongst us.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 9:38 AM
They call me, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:34 PM
Disease, can you repeat your assumptions on the mail-bomber?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:34 PM
Read some of the bombers posts on Facebook, finally someone who’s spelling is worst then mine.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 2:59 PM
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You're talking about the #MAGAbomber, right?
By Pacman (267), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 4:30 PM
Yes, people make fun of my grammar here. I think they are trying to marginalize my posts.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 26, 18 4:36 PM
Gotta love the way the media uses a sinister act by one individual nut to score political points, but hides the true motives of the Las Vegas Shooter and the Baseball Shooter ! Getting really sick of the one sided narrative and censorship then all out exploitation when it suits there purpose ..... REAL SICK OF IT !
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 26, 18 8:42 PM
What were the true motives of the Las Vegas shooter and the Congressional Baseball practice shooter?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 7:26 AM
Ud, your sick of what? Trumps lies? Your inability to defend his bs? Your unabashed praise of liar? Your outrage is misguided.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:33 AM
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10 days to go and still no FISA docs. WTF Instead somebody winded up some screw ball who lived in a van to wag the dog ! Ignore all of the left's distractions. Just VOTE and let's flush swamp clean with a red tsunami!
Oct 26, 18 8:47 PM appended by joe hampton
Criminal record---check Can't pay his bills---check Lives with mom---check This guy has to be a liberal!
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 26, 18 8:47 PM
GOP=DUMB
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 26, 18 10:00 PM
P.S. He lost his house to foreclosure, and lived in his van.

Seems you have just as good a penchant for truth as Cesar and the President.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 27, 18 7:03 AM
What are you talking about? how delusional are you? You must be a Russian bot, you certainly aren't an American jh.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 9:10 AM
Sounds like a lonely loser who decided to get his 15 minutes of fame.

“I know the guy is a lunatic,” Lenny Altieri, Sayoc’s cousin, told The Associated Press....
"I know he voted for Bill Clinton for a fact"....
After his parents separated, Sayoc was “kind of rejected” by his family, Altieri said....
“When you get no love as a young kid, you get kind of out of whack,” he said....
The lawyer went on to describe Sayoc as “a confused ...more
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 26, 18 8:55 PM
BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

"Libs are going to try to paint the MAGA bomber as a Trump supporter just because he's a registered Republican, avid Trump supporter and has a van covered in Pro-Trump and Anti-Democrat stickers"
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 26, 18 9:59 PM
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Joe, he’s a typical trump supporter. Unhinged and crazy. His social media posts match most of your fellow posters views. Your in good company.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:35 AM
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SURPRISE!

Your true believer fantasies about the MAGAbomber being an agent provocateur have been brought crashing to earth by REALITY - - - and so much more rapidly than one would have hoped. (Had his identity remained undiscovered, god knows what further delusional beliefs you lot would have avowed in your brainless excoriation of Democrats.)

Turns out he's one on you - - - just as every rational human being on earth suspected.

In fact, considering this description ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 27, 18 7:31 AM
SURPRISE !! The shooter who massacred eight people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh earlier today was an anti-Semite who expressed his disdain for Donald Trump on social media. At least eight people were killed and many more injured after the gunman opened fire at The Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill, Pittsburgh while yelling “all Jews need to die.” What a horrible tragedy this has to stop !
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 27, 18 2:13 PM
@ They call me

Quote:

"What a horrible tragedy this has to stop !"
--------------------------------------

I concur wholeheartedly.

However, no one has been so demented as to suggest that the Pittsburgh murderer was really a Zionist agent provocateur who killed Jews in order to inspire hatred of Muslims - - - as the certifiable true believers assert was the case with Cesar Sayoc and the Republicans.

That would be CRAZY.
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 27, 18 2:39 PM
SYNAGOGUE SHOOTER DISLIKED TRUMP, POSTED “I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM”
Gunman was an anti-Semite who hated Trump

Synagogue Shooter: "I Did Not Vote For Him"
The shooter who massacred eight people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh earlier today was an anti-Semite who expressed his disdain for Donald Trump, while also commenting, “I did not vote for him.”
At least eight people were killed at The Tree of Life Synagogue while yelling “all Jews need to die.”
Posts ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 27, 18 3:22 PM
While the mainstream media quickly labels Cesar Sayoc as a bona fide, Trump-loving, conservative Republican, social media and internet investigation shows the alleged, “MAGA Bomber” listed as a registered Democrat since 1980, (only changing to Republican in 2016,) and reveals multiple social media posts hating Republicans and the GOP, bashing George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, posting photos of Bush and Cheney as “war criminals,” and praising Code Pink, “liberal women,” ...more
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 27, 18 7:46 AM
False, he is a virulent self-admitted white supremacist who frequently talked about conspiracy theories surrounding top Democrats and said Muslims and Lesbians should burn in hell.

Does that sound like anybody we know?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 8:03 AM
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Sounds very familiar fore.strange how that is.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 8:06 AM
Chad Olson. Reliable news source even flow?You dig deeper and deeper into your nutty conspiracy sites, it’s funny and sad.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:58 AM
Shad Olson, my apologies for posting your heroes name wrong.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 8:05 AM
Despite the divisions within contemporary society, all true Patriots must focus on the most important issues that face our country -- Crooked Hillary's e-mails, the very unfair witch-hunt against our great American leader and people with darkish skin insidiously integrating themselves here. Ski Wildcat and Mount Snow are both opening today, therefore man-induced climate change is obviously an evil liberal hoax aimed at making it more expensive to operate my giant pickmeup truck. Hey, look over ...more
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 11:18 AM
Thank you Fore1n for letting the ignorant ones here know that I never fed into the conspiracy theory that the bomber was a deep state tool. All said was that I wished and hoped that it was a raging liberal. However, I will predict in 10 days from now that it won't make one bit of difference in the voting booths. People aren't that fickle. I believe most everyone has chosen their side already....
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 27, 18 12:50 PM
Diseased, I did call your fellow posters nuts. The stuff they were spouting wasn’t the thoughts of a normal person. Even you said you need more facts, in essence they were staring you in the face. Fore gave the example of Occam’s razor, which proved to be right. I said left or right I’m glad no one was hurt. There are nuts on both sides of the isle, inciting the nutty ones is the problem.hopefully this is the end of this crazy stuff.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 1:44 PM
Don't forget "prayed." You asked god that the perpetrator of terrorist acts was a member of the political opposition.

You're gross.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 2:16 PM
Obviously right wing nuts were never taught some lessons by their parents on how to be a stand-up person. When you are wrong, admit it, accept the critisism, learn from it, and move on to be a smarter, wiser person. Emulating the orange orangutan is not a way to lead a decent, honest, full of integrity way of life.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 1:00 PM
Ben Carson, Candace Owens Speak at Young Black Leadership Summit prominent members within the conservative movement address young black conservatives on Saturday in Washington, DC.
Hundreds of black conservatives from all over the United States have gathered in Washington, DC, to attend the first annual Young Black Leadership Summit.
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 27, 18 1:50 PM
Many thanks to the secret service, all branches of law enforcement, and civilians for their diligence in keeping our citizens, staffers/elected officials, both current & former, and our USPS employees safe from nut jobs such as Cedar Soyac. I’m very grateful that nobody was hurt.
By SDG1776 (114), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 1:11 PM
AT LEAST 8 SHOT DEAD AT PITTSBURGH SYNAGOGUE
'ALL JEWS MUST DIE'

BLOODBATH DURING BABY NAMING CEREMONY...
FOUR OFFICERS WOUNDED...
SUSPECT ID'D...
'NAZI'...
'TRUMP HATER'...
WARNED ON SOCIAL BEFORE ATTACK?
NYPD DEPLOYS TO JEWISH HUBS...
PRESIDENT CALLS FOR ARMED GUARDS...
IVANKA: WE MUST UNITE AGAINST EVIL...
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 27, 18 1:49 PM
Dems are busy putting Trump stickers on his car.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 27, 18 1:52 PM
Gross.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 2:12 PM
Family members at a baby-naming ceremony are killed and cops shot and you have this response? Really?
By harbor (411), East Hampton on Oct 27, 18 2:06 PM
Your correct this were real bullets not fake bombs multiple people dead, This is a tragedy not a stunt ! what kind of hateful monster kills people in there place of worship! We need armed guards at these and all public assembles to put a stop to these nuts
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 27, 18 2:18 PM
Why not mandate that everyone wear Kevlar clothing head-to-toe?

Nuts? So maybe we enact effective laws that keep weapons out of the hands of nuts? Maybe one that requires a waiting period long enough for law enforcement to scan social media posts etc? Or do we continue letting nuts kill men, women and children and law enforcement officials with military weapons.

By harbor (411), East Hampton on Oct 27, 18 2:29 PM
I guess that’s why they call me bitter Fred. I may be bitter, at least I’m not nuts.the lack of common decency is pretty bad.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 2:17 PM
The Alt Left has created the climate of violence and the Deep State has allowed it to fester by not addressing the Lefts censorship and violence.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 27, 18 2:28 PM
Fake Ditch.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 2:51 PM
I rest my case ^^^^^^^^
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 2:33 PM
"the lack of common decency is pretty bad"......

Yes, I’m angry. Yes, I’m outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House, but I know that this won’t change anything." -- Madonna

Eric Holder on Republicans: 'When they go low, we must kick them'

Johnny Depp about killing Donald Trump ‘When was the last time an actor assassinated a president?’ star asks crowd

Larry Wilmore , Donald Trump: “I don’t ...more
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 27, 18 2:56 PM
Anything bad is absolutely Crooked Hillary and the liberal media's fault. 2:30pm on Saturday -- Peconoc Bay and its tributaries are flooding and eroding significantly -- very clearly libtards caused today's flooding. Thank goodness I have my NYS compliant AR15 with me at all times, our world is unsafe because of liberal mobs and as a true American Patriot Maverick America First Nationlist it is my duty to protect myself! Barack HUSSEIN Obama was born in Africa, it's okay to grab females by their ...more
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 2:58 PM
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All this craziness on this site from both sides. There's only really one way to legitimately voice your opinions. It's on Election Day. Go out and vote. Don't assume it'll go one way or another. This is the one of the most (if not THE most) important midterm elections our nations history. It's really going to come down to keeping America's values and rule of law in tact against the rise of Democrat socialism, which in it's true essence...has NEVER succeeded anywhere. That's it in a nutshell. The ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 27, 18 3:02 PM
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Don't forget to pray that terrorists turn out to be your political opponents before you go to sleep tonight. I wonder how god feels about your prayers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 3:23 PM
Sowing hatred and division and inspiring and encouraging violence are not "American values". Persistent lying is not an "American value." Grabbing women by their private parts is not an "American value". Ripping babies from their mother's breasts and separating them from their families and caging them is not an "American value". Denying healthcare coverage is not an "American value". Demeaning people of color is not an "American value".
As for democratic socialism, what the hell ...more
By June Bug (2538), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 27, 18 7:39 PM
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Freedom vs serfdom VOTE!!!!!
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 27, 18 3:08 PM
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Imagine a world where people wait in line for years
to come here legally, only to watch as thousands
march toward the border in open defiance of our laws.

A world where your nation sends your children to die
for other nations, but you are not allowed to have a
nation for yourself or your children.

A world where you have to remove your shoes at the
airport, but our borders are so porous we have no
idea who is coming in, or what they bring with them.

A ...more
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 27, 18 3:14 PM
21,000 border agents. Obama deported and removed more than all other Presidents combined. Your open border is faux news and tangerine toddler rhetoric and complete b.s. Whatever slipped through are now gainfully employed by the likes of you. Usual hypocritical pick and choose right wing-nuts.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 28, 18 1:34 PM
If they are seeking asylum, it’s not against our laws.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 3:20 PM
Exactly why we need to change them .
Oct 27, 18 3:23 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
^^^^ The cure for 1984 is 1776
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 27, 18 3:23 PM
So you DO have a problem with legal immigration. Thanks for the clarity.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 3:25 PM
it is so obvious the fore and fred are one and the same
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 27, 18 3:37 PM
and if a hoard of 10,000 people mostly men between the ages of 20 and 30 years old are storming the boarder to exploit our countries sovereignty is "legal immigration" then yes there is something seriously wrong with "our laws" at least our laws as changed by the last administration.
By Erin 27 E (1240), hampton bays on Oct 27, 18 3:40 PM
Do you think asylum was a recent invention Erin?

And by now you should know my response: I'm everyone except you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 3:55 PM
If they are seeking asylum the law states they first do so in the first contiguous country they cross into.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 11:25 AM
Specifically, my comment was a reference to Erin's comment on "our laws as changed by the last administration."

Do YOU think Obama invented asylum?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 11:37 AM
FYI, it's not always about you, Fore.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 12:40 PM
I didn't call you, Po. You came to me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 12:47 PM
I must be dreaming the 11:37 AM response to my post.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 1:20 PM
Or just not seeing whose response is directly above yours.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 1:32 PM
Or responding to Fred's initial comment, you know, the topic of the thread as novel a concept as that may be.

If they are seeking asylum, it’s not against our laws.
By Fred s (1274), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 3:20 PM

If they are seeking asylum the law states they first do so in the first contiguous country they cross into.
By Po Boy (2825), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 11:25 AM

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 4:01 PM
You stumbled into our conversation, I didn't stumble into yours, so don't get so upset when you have to bear my response. Or better yet, if I bother you so much ignore me altogether, but you won't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 4:04 PM
If you fear persecution on account of your race, religion, national origin, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group and you are not currently in the United States, you can apply for refugee status. You can also go to the United States and make an asylum claim at the border.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 4:12 PM
You Cannot Apply for Asylum at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate. ... Therefore, U.S. law does not consider asylum seekers at U.S. embassies and consulates to be “physically present in the United States” (or at a U.S. border or point of entry).
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 4:14 PM
Po boy, can you show the law that you are stating? I think you are quoting a European law or Australian law.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 5:53 AM
Thank you Erin, yes we are both not part of the crazy right wing echo chamber on here.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 3:41 PM
Nice display of tolerance for differing opinion here by our alt left fanboise
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 27, 18 3:58 PM
The only opinion getting lambasted is the unfounded belief that the terrorist acts have been perpetrated by liberals, and rightfully so.

If you believe that Cesar Sayoc was a liberal, you're an idiot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 27, 18 4:12 PM
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Big duck, keep quacking
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 4:00 PM
The carnage continues across America with our law and order chimpanzee-in-charge. November 6th Vote out those bought and paid for by the NRA. Vote out Zeldin, it's to make changes in our gun laws. Time to make people jump through hoops for a license and passing mental examinations. It's time to abolish gun shows and send them to the scrap heap. Guns, Guns, and more guns is obviously not working. Here's your chance to make America normal again!! Vote!!!
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 27, 18 7:14 PM
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Agreed, Metsy. Let Zeldy take his NRA cash and move to Alabama. Let him represent the Gun Culture and the Nationalists down there. This is Long Island,
not the thicket of confederate flags you find surrounding Mobile Harbor. Those people lost that war. Time they get over it or put out in their flotilla into the Gulf of Mexico. Zeldy, take a paddle and go with them! TrumpSayoc2020 - "two crazies for the price of one!"

By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 28, 18 12:35 AM
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By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 28, 18 6:35 AM
What now you cant say Girlyman
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 28, 18 11:02 AM
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Likewise, I'm apparently not allowed allowed to ask whether it's your guns that make you feel like a man.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 28, 18 11:39 AM
I no longer post on this childish site. Serious discussions - NOT!
By Taz (689), East Quogue on Oct 28, 18 12:02 PM
...ditto !
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 29, 18 7:20 AM
...ditto !
By loading... (579), quiogue on Oct 29, 18 7:20 AM
Sayonara, try tomorrow, nice to know ya
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 8:21 AM
It happens
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 28, 18 12:04 PM
You all fear fear mongering?
I put Guldi in jail while exposing Clinton. I hacked Clinton Emails while exposing democrats corruption.
I hacked Gershon and found he plans to hire family into city positions. As would any corrupt democrat. Sadly Guldi was not found guilty of anything but turning fellow democrats in while in the end all those he turned in ended up being corrupt as he said they were. Spota, Steve Levy. All corrupt idiots in a democrat race.

You all complain that Trump ...more
By Raz (2), southampton on Oct 28, 18 4:00 PM
If you think we've been rid of the idiots you don't read enough of your neighbors' comments on this site
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 28, 18 4:46 PM
Let me see, corrupt democrat idiot of the hamptons, vs truth talking veteran Zeldin
By Raz (2), southampton on Oct 28, 18 4:01 PM
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Gershon only called himself a Long Islander since the 90's when his wife who was from Long Island married him. Look at his wiki's and bio's. NO INFORMATION on where he was born and raised because he doesn't want you to know that he's a complete and utter liar. He's a Manhattanite disguised as a suburbanite. But hey, it's par for the course on the Democrat side. Beto isn't Mexican, Warren isn't Native American....and Gershon SURELY isn't a Long Islander. Go sell your liberal crap back in the city ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 28, 18 8:21 PM
Diseased, your not making any sense. Gershon isn’t a white nationalist d bag. He doesn’t bow to the altar of trump.so you want a guy from mastic, that’s local.By the way Beto never implied he was Mexican , as if it matters.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 28, 18 8:55 PM
It seems Sayoc is more than probably a liar...

The Day We Were Face to Face with Cesar Sayoc While Making Our Movie

By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 28, 18 10:43 PM
HILLARY 2020? ‘I’d like to be president’ — will decide on run after midterm election
OCTOBER 27, 2018


GOOD GOD !
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 28, 18 11:26 PM
# WalkAway from the Democrat Party campaign Huge success.......# WalkAway took to the streets of the nation’s capital with a rally that drew large crowds of former leftists and # WalkWith conservatives who support them Saturday at Freedom Plaza.“The Democratic Party has taken for granted that it owns racial, sexual, and religious minorities in America,” Straka said in a video he made to launch the campaign in May. “It has encouraged groupthink, hypocrisy, division, stereotyping, ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 28, 18 11:30 PM
Dan, large success, large crowds? Maybe get the same people who “retouched” trumps inauguration photos. It was more of a scam. People aren’t leaving the Democratic Party for trump, more the opposite. Good job shilling tho, short on facts , large on bs.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 5:59 AM
TrumpSayoc2020 - two idiots for the price of one!
Get out out there and vote for Zeldy - protector of your HealthCare - not!
Facts count: May 2017 - Congressman Cheeseburger votes to kill your HealthCare and preexisting condition insurance.
September 2018 -General Beau Sessions - argues on behalf of Congress -
(of which Zeldy is a member for two more months only) in the case of
Texas v US in Fed Court to kill your preexisting condition insurance.
October 2018 - Zeldy comes ...more
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 29, 18 6:21 AM
Hillary Clinton: “I’d like to be president.”

Lord have mercy. The Hildabeast is now totally batshit crazy. That's some scary stuff right there... LOL

PRESIDENT TRUMP IS AWESOME! MAGA!
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 7:34 AM
This is just a reminder that despite all her flaws, more people wanted Hillary to be president than Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 8:08 AM
LONG LIVE PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP !!!!!!!!!
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 29, 18 8:10 AM
All the cheer-leading in the world doesn't change that inconvenient little fact, PW.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 8:19 AM
The brilliance of the Funding Fathers to save the country from itself.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 11:22 AM
Specifically I was referencing Ditch's assertion that it's "crazy" for Hillary to aspire to the presidency when she got more votes than Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 11:37 AM
The brilliance of the Funding Fathers to save the country from itself.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 12:39 PM
And regardless of who won the election, it will always be true that more people supported Clinton than Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 12:49 PM
And regardless, we'll also never know how many citizens.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 12:59 PM
I don't blame you for using conjecture and innuendo to assert that undocumented immigrants voted for Clinton en masse.

It's all you got.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 1:02 PM
I didn't say either way, simply making innuendo that it would be nice to know.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 1:19 PM
Sure you didn't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 1:38 PM
I'd like very much to know the integrity of our electoral process is in tact.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 3:45 PM
And I trust that it is in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

Did Trump's voter commission ever build that case for his assertion of widespread voter fraud?

Or did it silently shutter in abject failure?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 4:09 PM
While being mired in legal battle, immigration status was never reviewed, nor was it the focus of the commission.

Does fraudulent voting activity exist in the realm of possible non-citizens voting?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:49 PM
It's possible that non-citizens vote, it's just not the bogey man it's made out to be by Trump, evidenced by the shuttering of the voter fraud commission and statements of people who saw the commission's work product.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:02 PM
The commision NEVER reviewed citizenship in the voter rolls.

If you can't acknowledge that as a potential problem given absence of cross check and lenient availability to "official documents," you have motives which are NOT in the best interests of the integrity of the electoral process of the United States.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:03 PM
Sure it's a potential problem, there's simply no evidence that it's to the tune of millions as Trump alleged and set up a commission to substantiate.

That's not just my position, it's that of the people who reviewed the commission's work product before it shuttered in failure. Don't act like 24 states didn't cooperate with the commission's request.

The funny thing is that the lawsuit which shuttered it resulted in a court order to share that information with the Democratic members ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 18 5:56 AM
@27dan

Quote:

"# WalkAway from the Democrat Party campaign Huge success.......#"
----------------------------------------------------

"PHOTOS: #WalkAway from Democrats Rally Draws HUNDREDS of Patriots, ‘We Love America and Trump’" by Penny Starr (Breitbart News, October 27,2018) (emphasis added)

The headline (amusingly, from Breitbart. [This is the best spin that it could put on this squib.]) speaks for itself. Moreover, of all the speakers that ...more
By highhatsize (4149), East Quogue on Oct 29, 18 8:17 AM
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Vote Trump-Zeldin
1. Jews are murdered in Pittsburgh
2. The Orange Man says he has a bad hair day
and should skip that night's Trump Scum Rally
3. Jews are dead on the floor - and Trump says
Dave Roberts should not have pulled Rich Hill
4. Lee Zeldin is #1 Orange Man supporter
5. LZ best friend Sebby wears a Vitezi (Nazi)ribbon on his chest
6. Zeldin goes in 2018; Orange Man in 2020 if Robert Mueller
doesn't get his hairy ass first!
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 29, 18 8:19 AM
The left sucks.
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 29, 18 12:49 PM
What an eloquent and thought-provoking critique of Liberal politics.

You certainly are one of the top minds here, PW.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 12:55 PM
What an eloquent and thought-provoking critique of Liberal politics.

You certainly are one of the top minds here, apc.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 3:55 PM
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Based on the lack of respect and willingness to engage in the exchange of ideas and solutions on these boards, perhaps we are getting exactly what we deserve out of our representative government.
Seriously, at what point do we stop the political football game and childish name calling, and get to work on finding the common ground that most of us share???
The divisiveness is taking us farther away from our goals.
By Craigcat (255), Speonk on Oct 29, 18 10:42 AM
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Could it be that we don't share common goals to begin with?

Simply put, "MAGA" means different things to different people.

An example of this was Trump's "taco trucks on every corner" comment: some people thought this sounded like paradise, while others thought it sounded like hell.

How do you bridge the gap between two inherently and diametrically opposed viewpoints?

You don't, one just outnumbers the other at the ballot box.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 10:59 AM
""MAGA" means different things to different people."

More of the fundamental transformation of the United States Barack Obama promised...

btw, Donald Trump NEVER made a "taco trucks on every corner" comment.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 11:21 AM
Well put, we are getting exactly what we deserve out of representative government!
Many Americans prefer an angry, dysfunctional reality-show circus of a government to a serious, respectable one. We the people are busy meaninglessly and impotently commenting on boards like this one, angrily trying to zing the "other side" and it all amounts to a giant collective waste of time and effort. What collective goals do wingnuts and libtards share?
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 11:37 AM
It turns out Obama wasn't alone in seeking that change, as you'll remember he made that statement before he was elected and re-elected by broad margins.

And you're right, I misattributed the comment to Trump when it was actually made by the President of Latinos for Trump.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 11:45 AM
MAGA means nothing to me, because it's just a slogan and I never stopped thinking that America was great. Arguing taco trucks on corners is a complete waste of time. We get wrapped up in personality at the expense of evaluating policy.
Instead, we can discuss the issue of immigration. America benefits from the labor and service that Latino immigrants provide. Conversely, unchecked immigration is potentially dangerous, unfair, and unsustainable. So instead of arguing absolutes, ie. walls vs. ...more
By Craigcat (255), Speonk on Oct 29, 18 11:53 AM
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Agreed. We could have already secured the border AND provided a path to citizen for deserving folks through the immigration reform legislation which passed the Senate in 2012, but the Republican-controlled House refused to vote on it.

Now Trump wants even greater concessions from Democrats without anything in return? That's a hard pass from me.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 12:13 PM
Bull. H.R.1299 Secure Border Act of 2012 proposed by republicans would have addressed border security however it gained no Democrat support had zero Democrat cosponsor and history has shown Democrats did NOT not make immigration reform a priority (either) when they could have.

The President has agreed to address pathways for certain categories of illegals in his concessions, however Democrats would rather pushback on the proposal until they have 100% of what they want/don't want rather ...more
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 12:38 PM
The Democrats' bill was passed by the Senate AND Obama was willing to sign it.

That's far more support than any immigration legislation proposed during the current administration OR the garbage bill you reference.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 12:46 PM
Right...a "garbage" bill that focused on border security vs. amnesty BEFORE border security that Democrats proposed. As Boehner put it, no one trusted Democrats to enforce the law.

Republicans support immigration legislation. The disagreement for Republicans is in the details of the legislation, just as it is with what Democrats desire. It's nothing new in the immigration debate.


By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 1:16 PM
Right, a bill that addressed only one aspect rather than both sides of the equation.

That's what was garbage about it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 1:37 PM
immigration policy and border security are two very distinct and unique issues. It's completely reasonable to address it as such, that is, unless there are other motivations.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 29, 18 3:43 PM
Like a lack of confidence that one will be addressed without being tied to the other?

Precisely.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 4:06 PM
THE TRUMP OF BRAZIL IS ELECTED, GLOBALIST MERKEL IS OUT, SIGNALING A POPULIST RED WAVE IN 8 DAYS

Donald J. Trump

@ realDonaldTrump
The Fake News is doing everything in their power to blame Republicans, Conservatives and me for the division and hatred that has been going on for so long in our Country. Actually, it is their Fake & Dishonest reporting which is causing problems far greater than they understand!

JUDICIAL WATCH DOCS PROVE MIGRANT CARAVAN FUNDED BY SOROS ...more
Oct 29, 18 5:15 PM appended by They call me
REPUBLICAN PARTY HEADQUARTERS SHOT UP; MEDIA CALLS IT “VANDALISM”
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 29, 18 5:15 PM
The Trump Derangement Syndrome has reached new heights here. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot is wrong with the sky leg here?
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 29, 18 10:42 AM
Kanye West designs new clothing line encouraging black voters to leave Democratic Party

The series is part of a collaboration with right-wing activist Candace Owens

"There is no group in America that has been more lied to, more abused, or more taken advantage of by the Democrats than black people.

At long last, we can return the favor by ENDING their stranglehold on our votes"
Oct 29, 18 10:46 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
BLEXIT: All people are breaking the Democrat chains of Identity Politics. What an amazing time to be alive!
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 29, 18 10:46 AM
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Boy, this comment did not age well.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 7:26 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 11:33 AM
“Mr. Gershon, how do you plan to pay for Medicare For All?”

“I can’t talk right now, I have chocolate all over my hands...”
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 29, 18 1:49 PM
Another insight from political ads on the glowing rectangle: "MS13 is killing our children and Lee Zeldin doesn't care".

I am a young, lonely, attractive white woman looking for NSA who prefers surf casting to trolling but sometimes does pull around umbrella rigs.




By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 4:02 PM
Tree of Life Rabbi to CNN: Trump ‘Always Welcome’ at Our Synagogue, ‘He Is My President’

43 SHOT, FIVE FATALLY, OVER HALLOWEEN WEEKEND IN RAHM EMANUEL’S CHICAGO

CNN just keeps picking at the scab of their own demise. Their credibility with half the nation shrinks with each fake condemnation of our fair and just president.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 29, 18 5:07 PM
Eleven were killed, not five.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 5:19 PM
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Chim chim, your completely gone.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 29, 18 5:35 PM
That was a mistake...meant to hit reply to say he was talking about Chicago ..
By Biba (557), East Hampton on Oct 30, 18 10:05 AM
But you realize that eleven died at the synagogue in Pittsburgh this weekend, right? Not five?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 10:18 AM
179 Death Threats Against President Trump Are Live On Twitter…Real Time Updated List

Published 15 mins ago

on Oct 29, 2018

By Patrick Howley

President Donald Trump has been threatened with death at least 184 times on Twitter, and 179 of those murder threats are still posted on Twitter’s website as of press time Monday evening.

The threats range from simple commands for others to kill Trump, to stated desires to kill President Trump, to more ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 29, 18 9:56 PM
"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy."

~ Aristotle
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 29, 18 10:42 PM
Anybody have some extra breadcrumbs?
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 29, 18 10:11 PM
I have an idea. How about we let all the refugees in, but only liberals and those who support open borders, will pay for everything. Let them pay double for the registered Republicans who don't want to pay. Fore1n? Fred? Metsfan? Junebug? Oh, that's not fair? Do any of you want to house one or two...or maybe a whole family? Didn't think so.
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 29, 18 10:52 PM
Is anyone saying we should let in everyone who wants to come to the U.S.?

I'll save you some time: no.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 29, 18 11:18 PM
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Bolsonaro Supporters Tell Brazilian Socialists: ‘Go to Cuba’
Oct 30, 18 2:55 AM appended by Undocumented Democrat
The tide is turning in favor of sensible people.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 30, 18 2:55 AM
Universities across the country are the target of police actions and the Electoral Justice

Entities and academic community repudiate operations, which happened in several states

Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro
Folha De S. Paulo
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 30, 18 5:35 AM
Universities across the country are the target of police actions and the Electoral Justice

Entities and academic community repudiate operations, which happened in several states

Sao Paulo and Rio De Janeiro
Folha De S. Paulo
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 30, 18 5:44 AM
Open borders is Faux news and Drumpf rhetoric. Barack Obama deported and removed more people than all the other Presidents put together. He was nicknamed the deporter-in-chief by the latino community. Open borders is when your descendants came through. Show up at the front door at Ellis Island, get processed in four to five hours.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 5:57 AM
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Good morning Disease Diocese. Yes please, I would like to house a refugee family in my house. I've got plenty of space and would be very happy to provide housing and food for a year or two to a refugee family in exchange for a heart-felt thank you. I'm being 100% serious, it is an idea I have gently pursued but have not found an organization which connects needy immigrants with people who have extra space on the east end. If you know of an organization that does this kind of work please provide ...more
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 9:18 AM
Room for refugees is an organization that has had success in the UK and is in development here. I've reached out to them in the past about helping to house refugees, but it has been slow going. I have found more success by letting a few local houses of worship know that we have extra room for any who might be in need. I have not had a single bad experience with welcoming in others and have made friendships that continue to this day.
By NorthSeaWhaler (10), southampton on Oct 30, 18 12:41 PM
"Barack Obama deported and removed more people than all the other Presidents put together"

Put together? WRONG! Thank goodness for the policy shift where "returns" were processed as a "removals"...hence the higher numbers.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 12:47 PM
Po is technically correct. According to wikipedia he only deported more people than were deported in the 109 years between 1892 and 2001:

"In the 105 years between 1892 and 1997, the United States deported 2.1 million people.

Between 1997 and 2001, during the Presidency of Bill Clinton, about 870,000 people were deported from the United States.

Between 2001 and 2008, during the Presidency of George W. Bush, about 2 million people were deported from the United States.

Between ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 1:28 PM
3.2 million, in no small part to processing returns as removals.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 1:33 PM
Isn't a removal and the legal consequences flowing therefrom preferable to a voluntary departure?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 2:24 PM
Nope. Why would legal action be preferable to voluntary action. But it does beg the question, preferable to who....
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:04 PM
Because it subjects people who enter or re-enter illegally to three and ten-year bars from applying for legal entry, duh.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 3:10 PM
Okaaaay. And? Is there a point as it relates to the difference between returns and removals embedded in there somewhere?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:23 PM
Just acknowledging the logic behind expanding who gets deported: being deported means legal repercussions that weren't applied to people who were previously allowed to return voluntarily.

In other words their treatment was more lenient prior to Obama. That's the difference between "voluntary returns" and "removals."
Oct 30, 18 3:31 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Whether or not you know or care about the logic behind the change in policy, this was my answer to the question you asked.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 3:31 PM
Well good for you. I haven't provided any opinion on the logic, simply the stated existence of the change in methodology that attributed to the numbers.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:35 PM
So to sum up your point: the Obama administration deported more people because they deported people who weren't previously deported.

How enlightening.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 3:39 PM
Not exactly. The Obama administration deported more people because they processed returns as removals.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:56 PM
Exactly: they deported people who were previously given the more-lenient treatment of "voluntary return"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 4:06 PM
Why yes, kind of. Welcome to the discussion!

Not only did they send returns back across the border returns were processed as removals, meaning, the data was coded as such, something that had not been previously done. So the more lenient condition was co-mingled with the more stringent condition and reported as the more stringent....and I'm simply stating what transpired.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:04 PM
You're forgetting that they also incurred more serious consequences, which one would think you'd be in favor of, or maybe you're just ignoring it.

Regardless, the statistic remains true: Obama deported more people than any previous president.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:15 PM
No they did not incur more serious consequences. The difference is in what they experience administratively (aka ben counting) vs, legally (aka consequences).
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:29 PM
Are you forgetting that removal subjects a deportee to three or ten year bars, which doesn't happen with voluntary returns?

I think your memory is going, Po.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:36 PM
Lee...ga....Lee.

Voluntary removals are not subject to the Lee-gul repercussions.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:45 PM
So you'd rather they suffer no repercussions and not be counted toward deportation numbers than give Obama credit for imposing legal consequences that weren't present previously rather than turn them around with a pat on the back?

Ok then, but I wouldn't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:52 PM
"I'd rather?"

This isn't about what "I'd rather."
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:00 PM
I'm just pointing out that your issue with Obama's change in policy is something you would like if Trump had thought of it: an imposition of consequences.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:03 PM
You know nothing of what I would think or like contrary to your repeated claims.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:10 PM
Don't you routinely point out your desire for greater consequences for immigration violations?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:14 PM
I don't understand the question as it relates to the topic.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:41 PM
I think you do. If you routinely assert a desire for greater consequences for immigration violations, then it's reasonable to assume that you'd be in favor of greater consequences in this scenario.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:45 PM
I'm not stating favor or disfavor. Either factor has nothing to do with my original clarifying statement.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:50 PM
I'm just explaining how my question relates to the topic and identifying the rationale for the policy change: to apply greater consequences for immigration violations than before.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 18 5:58 AM
In Boston yesterday, a pastor tried to read the Gospel of Matthew to General
Beau Sessions. He was arrested. Yesterday, the Plop of Orange Poop says he
will change the Constitution by Executive Order. Clean-up on Stupiidity on Aisle 6. In Fifthgraderville, you can not do this - NOT with the 14th Amendment, you clown! On Fox News - Smallpox reigns. Five thousand troops will be sent to the border to play pinochle with each other - because the only caravan is in Teump's mind. Trump is a racist. ...more
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 30, 18 6:40 AM
No genius ever came from Eastport.
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 30, 18 7:35 AM
In Boston yesterday, a pastor tried to read the Gospel of Matthew to General
Beau Sessions. He was arrested. Yesterday, the Plop of Orange Poop says he
will change the Constitution by Executive Order. Clean-up on Stupiidity on Aisle 6. In Fifthgraderville, you can not do this - NOT with the 14th Amendment, you clown! On Fox News - Smallpox reigns. Five thousand troops will be sent to the border to play pinochle with each other - because the only caravan is in Teump's mind. Trump is a racist. ...more
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Oct 30, 18 6:40 AM
Keep it classy mister.
By tenn tom (250), remsenburg on Oct 30, 18 7:43 AM
Trump: We Will Hold Asylum Seekers in Tent Cities Until Their Trial

During an interview broadcast on Monday’s edition of the Fox News Channel’s “Ingraham Angle,” President Trump stated that asylum applicants will be held in tent cities until their hearing takes place, and people with rejected asylum applications will “get out.”

I hate Trump.
I hate tax cuts.
I hate America.
I hate Americans that don't want an illegal invasion.
I ...more
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 30, 18 7:58 AM
Gab Banned By GoDaddy, Shopify, Medium; AG Plans Investigation; Founder Inundated With Death Threats
The free speech social network Gab has been taken offline after being banned by web domain registrar GoDaddy, shopping cart service Shopify, PayPal, payment processor Stripe, web host service Joylent and even blog site Medium since being blamed by the media for the mass shooting in Pittsburgh.

Make Speech Free Again !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 8:10 AM
My coffee shop doesn't have to host your mass-murder fantasy club.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 8:27 AM
Ditch bum, yes we need spots where deranged mass murderers can have a place to exchange ideas. Neo nazis and white nationalist need a place to bounce ideas off their fellow losers.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 9:14 AM
Democrats should vote for Trump. He’s pro-open borders.
By even flow (945), East Hampton on Oct 30, 18 8:28 AM
Nobody wants open borders. You're regurgitating the garbage you've been fed.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 8:41 AM
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Nobody?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 12:37 PM
No Democrats of any significant degree, to use your own phrase.
Oct 30, 18 12:41 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
You know, from when you said "no Democrats of any significant degree" denounced leftist violence despite the fact they did.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 12:41 PM
Oh, so "somebody" is for open borders.

How many Democrats voted for the bill on "continued support for all United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers and personnel who carry out the important mission of ICE?"

Answer: Just 18 Democrats. Others Democrats voted "no" or dodged the issue all together.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 12:54 PM
I'm sure someone out there is for open borders, just like someone is for pedophilia (Milo Yiannopoulos), and someone is for political violence (Cesar Sayoc), and someone is for a white ethnostate (Robert Bowers), but to label those individuals as representative of anyone but themselves is idiotic at best.

As for the bill you cite, what does it have to do with open borders?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 1:24 PM
House Democrats Introduced a Bill to Abolish ICE
By Renae Reints Fortune July 12, 2018

You don't think a porous border equates to an open border by abolishing the primary agency to enforce deportations and removals?

This IS the Democratic Party!!!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 1:39 PM
Do you think border enforcement didn't exist before ICE was created in 2003?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 1:41 PM
Armed Migrants in Caravan Opened Fire on Mexican Cops

Meanwhile, Second, More Violent Caravan Forms
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 30, 18 1:50 PM
Remember the immigration reform bill that passed the Senate in 2012?

It included forward operating bases along the border.

Republicans refused to vote on it because they feared giving Obama a "win"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 1:53 PM
"Do you think border enforcement didn't exist before ICE was created in 2003?" Huh, dumb rhetorical question...now back to Democrats and open borders!

[Democrat] Ocasio-Cortez Issues Open-Border Battle Cry; "We Have To Occupy All Of It" by Tyler Durden Wed, 07/18/2018.

"New York congressional candidate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has called for progressive protesters to expand their nation-wide physical blockade of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) buildings."

DNC ...more
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:01 PM
What does "Occupy ICE" have to do with open borders? Has Ocasio-Cortez said she supports open borders anywhere?

I noticed you avoided the question, so I'll infer that you know but can't bring yourself to state the obvious answer: "yes, immigration enforcement existed before ICE, and would exist after it."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 3:08 PM
It was about separating families.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 3:17 PM
"No borders, no nations" were the chants and read the signs carried by the Ocasio-Cortez sanctioned abolish ICE mobs.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:33 PM
So she hasn't said that she supports open borders anywhere?

Thank you for your admission by omission; it's your best skill.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 3:37 PM
Like the Democrats not voting to support ICE, Ocasio is saying the same thing by her calls to abolish ICE. Abolishing ICE is tantamount to open borders.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 3:53 PM
Were there open borders before ICE was established in 2003?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 4:06 PM
However you want to count it po boy, Barack Obama deported many, many people. so your open border b.s., is just that. Drumpf is an expert in whipping you lemmings into a fearful frenzy. 21,000 border agents already there. 21,000 hard working americans doing their job.
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 4:22 PM
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LOL, if you're anti-ICE, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-sanctuary city, pro-amnesty...you just might be an open border Democrat.

There are roughly 21,000 Border Patrol Agents nationwide, don't forget the Northern border in your calculation!

If you're looking for comparisons to Barack, how about his separation of families??? Hmmmm?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 12:51 PM
Sure: Obama separated families when the child wasn't traveling with their parents or was at risk of harm by the adult they were traveling with, not as a zero-tolerance policy.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 12:54 PM
Yes and no. They are always separated to some level for both the child's safety and to determine the nature of the relationship. The difference is in the level of prosecution - you know - for entering the country illegally. Obama was known for catch and release - and the illegals never to be seen again as well as ofen leaving unrelated adults with the children given the catch and release policy.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 1:15 PM
But he didn't have a blanket separation policy as Trump did, right?

I thought that's what you wanted to compare in your prior comment?
Oct 31, 18 1:20 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
Oh, you don't want to compare that anymore?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 1:20 PM
Of course policy under Obama had a blanket separation policy. You always have to separate.

See reference to: "They are always separated to some level for both the child's safety and to determine the nature of the relationship."
Oct 31, 18 7:41 PM appended by Po Boy
I especially like the 5 minute taunting from the time I posted my previous post to your append time - Oct 31, 18 1:20 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown Oh, you don't want to compare that anymore?" You just might be a Democrat.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:41 PM
No, they weren't always separated as during Trump's zero-tolerance policy, no matter how much you want to believe it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:03 PM
Adults and children are ALWAYS separated when they go to processing.

Are you saying children are held in areas where unrelated adults are detained?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:22 PM
Children weren't separated from their parents unless they were at risk of harm from them until Trump's zero-tolerance policy.

It's as simple as that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:08 PM
The Obama administration, under its stealthy border externalization program, was complicit in the separation of more children and family units than Trump ever did. The separations occurred at Siglo XXI detention facility with direct U.S. Customs and Border Protection involvement, CBP presence at Siglo XXI, and was funded by the US. Want sources FBHBG? I have plenty of them and they’re not from Breitbart or Fox News. Dig deep and you will find.
By Dawn_O (45), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:25 PM
Please share, Dawn.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:30 PM
^^^^This^^^^

How did Obama policy know it was THEIR child?

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:34 PM
My kid's teacher had a great habit whenever someone came to pick them up. Rather than ask the adult who they were to the child, they asked the child who the adult was to them. Turns out kids are pretty good at telling you who their parents are!

That's just one thought outside of the obvious birth certificate and other identifying documents that people tend to carry when relocating their entire lives.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:10 PM
Oh, well the trafficked kids say it's OK.... well, that changes everything...have a nice life... or should I say...

....que tengas una buena vida....!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:18 PM
Is your answer that all children should be separated from their parents on the off chance the identifying documents are forged and all parties including the child are lying?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:27 PM
All children are separated from their parents on the off chance the identifying documents are forged and all parties including the child are lying?

It's why we see kids in chain link cages.
Oct 31, 18 10:47 PM appended by Po Boy
Meant a "." instead of a "?" after "lying".
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:47 PM
No, you're wrong. Minors who arrive alone have always been placed in US custody, but you knew that.

The Obama administration didn't separate them from their parents as a zero-tolerance policy though, and to give Trump credit he doesn't anymore, because to continue to do so would be idiotic.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 18 6:02 AM
What I know is that you have no idea what you're talking about and would prefer to cloud the issue(s).

"The Obama administration didn't separate them from their parents..." ("as a zero-tolerance policy though").

But they were separated, weren't they, but you already knew that.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 9:40 AM
But you admit there's a difference between separating children from their parents as policy and separating them with cause, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 10:05 AM
Nope. Children are separated from the adult, regardless, but cause results in a longer separation and policy can be considered cause when the law is followed.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 12:37 PM
I think you understand there's a difference between zero-tolerance family separation and what was done during the Obama years, even if you'd rather pretend you don't.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 12:48 PM
I'm sorry if my answer to your question doesn't meet with your satisfaction. But of course, when you follow the law as in zero tolerance, there are larger consequences as opposed to when you don't, most illegals don't show for the immigration hearing.

But...they are ALWAYS separated regardless.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 11:21 PM
That you acknowledge a difference in the way families were separated during the Obama administration and during this administration's zero-tolerance policy is good enough for me.

Can you tell me a little more about the "separation" that "always" happens?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 18 5:17 AM
Do you think Melania Trump will be wearing her "I don't care do.you?" coat when she visits Pittsburgh with our beloved President?
By dfree (783), hampton bays on Oct 30, 18 12:13 PM
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Our?
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 12:21 PM
Aeshtron...what if I told you that you couldn’t choose the refugee and that the refugee would be chosen for you? Hypothetically speaking...what if you couldn’t choose the age, sex, origin, education level, etc? What if I told you the one they chose for you was a 24 year old male with known drug and alcohol problems and has been arrested for burglary, assault with a deadly weapon and may be associated with a Mexican gang? Would you still be interested?
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 30, 18 1:25 PM
North Sea Whaler -- thank you for the suggestion of alerting local houses of worship that I have extra space and would be happy to help the needy with a warm, safe place to stay. I may do just that and really appreciate the good idea.

Disease Diocese -- What if I told you that your hypothetical scenario was another example of a wingnut creating ridiculous false dichotomies in a lame attempt to support their factless opinions?

But to entertain the scenario, I would probably not ...more
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 3:29 PM
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty DD? Isn't that what Trump was crying about when everyone presumed Kavanaugh was a rapist? Can't have it both ways buddy. But let's face it, Kavanaugh probably did that s**t.
By johnj (1017), Westhampton on Oct 30, 18 4:01 PM
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You live in a dark frightened world. I personally know 4 people who were refugees. They grew up to be great people and assets to the community . Does anything not scare you?
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 3:22 PM
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Rule your mind, or it will rule you.

~ Horace
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 30, 18 10:45 PM
STEVE SCALISE CALLS OUT CNN’S DON LEMON FOR DENYING LEFT-WING POLITICAL VIOLENCE.... Race baiter Don Lemon's statement: "The biggest terror threat in this country Is white men".... says it all.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 30, 18 5:58 PM
If ANYBODY in any business said the same about black men they would be rightfully terminated.

CNN keeps this racist as a spokesperson.

CNN's non immediate termination of Lemmon is an honest reflection CNN.

Racism all day, racism all night, this is Don Lemmon, the face of CNN's race pandering poverty pimps.
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 30, 18 6:27 PM
But a vast majority of terrorist acts in the United States ARE committed by white men, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 6:43 PM
Chim chim, your kidding right? You calling out ANYONE for racism is funny, not ha ha funny.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 6:33 PM
Breaking news many sources saying friends of K. West saying life was just threatened
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 30, 18 6:58 PM
The migrant caravan = YouTube’s,

The Latino Comedy Project's "300"
By Sitfu (18), East Quogue on Oct 30, 18 7:01 PM
Central American Migrants Set Fire to Mexican Immigration Facility
Mexican Immigratinon Checkpoint
A group of Central American migrants facing deportation set fire to a Mexican immigration facility in an apparent attempt to escape. The alleged arson comes at a time when Mexican authorities reported the use of firearms and Molotov cocktails within the migrant caravans as they make their way through Mexico to the United States.Looks like the Invasion Sponsor, George Sorós, wants a WAR ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 30, 18 9:55 PM
Isn't it curious that Breitbart is the only source for this story in English or Spanish?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 30, 18 10:26 PM
It’s a cup of gasoline for the trump dumpster fire. More non news for the gullible.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 30, 18 10:46 PM
"Televisa Noticias reported". Curious and no surprise that migrants setting fire to a Mexican immigration facility was ignored given the corrupt state of the U.S. media.

Migrantes incendian garita migratoria en Pijijiapan, Chiapas
POR: NOTICIEROS TELEVISA FUENTE: NOTICIEROS TELEVISA | DESDE: CHIAPAS, MÉXICO | 29 DE OCTUBRE DE 2018
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 5:56 AM
Po boy, maybe you and the rest of your concerned party can head down to old Mexico and defend their way of life. It would be great optics for your party.you got a great grasp on how to create the next “ boogeyman”
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 6:02 AM
I take it back, there's exactly one source in Spanish one source in English (which relies on the one source in Spanish) and for this alleged arson.

Hmmmmm...
Oct 31, 18 10:14 AM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
"there's exactly one source in Spanish and one source in English (which relies on the one source in Spanish) for this alleged arson."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:14 AM
Yep, the burnt building is a fabrication, too along with the absence of any other explanation.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 12:45 PM
I haven't seen the burnt building, nor the story reported by any outlet I consider trustworthy.

In fact, the closest thing to a trustworthy reference is to the Mexican government's National Immigration Institute which (womp womp) says nothing of the like on its own page.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 1:04 PM
Ah yes, if it's not acknowledged and detailed at every crevice, it doesn't exist.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 1:27 PM
Also known as “fake” news. Just your style. No facts, just bs
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:32 PM
Alternatively, if it's only reported by one or two outlets it should be taken as gospel?

Get out of here with that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 1:40 PM
So, to quote Televisa Noticias, "the delegate of Civil Protection of the Costa region, Jaime Marroquin, said that the warning of the fire was made by the manager of the migration port Ernesto Lucio Molina, when he reported that the fire was intentionally caused by undocumented persons who were in the dormitories of mens."

Are we to believe this is all fabricated along with the smoldering ashes, or would a more plausible explanation be that only Breitbart found the article interesting enough ...more
Oct 31, 18 7:09 PM appended by Po Boy
You fine gentleman wouldn't be intentionally running cover for the garbage element of the caravan, no, would you? That's not consistent with love of country! But I guess that depends on which country you love. Hmmm.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:09 PM
What smoldering ashes? I think you're gullible if you think some news outlet other than Breitbart wouldn't have picked up the story.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 7:13 PM
Dime with Ernesto and Jaime. por favor.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:23 PM
What do you think "dime" means?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:06 PM
10 cents jeffe.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:24 PM
So... What does "ten cents with Ernesto and Jaime" mean?

I don't know why I try to understand you sometimes.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:33 PM
Aww Fore, the coy "i don't understand" routine, so cute.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:39 PM
Definitely not being coy. If anyone knows what Po is saying I'd love their insight.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:43 PM
Awww, wilfully ignorant, perhaps?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:47 PM
If I'm ignorant, it's because English isn't my first language and you don't care to explain, probably because it was gibberish but I guess we'll never know.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:49 PM
Awww, poor second language immigrant....

Confirmed. Willfully ignorant.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:54 PM
It's less than graceful to assume someone is willfully ignorant than explain yourself when someone tells you they don't understand you, but you're not really about being graceful, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:04 PM
Of course.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:10 PM
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For clarification...

Sarcastic "of course."
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:24 PM
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But....That doesn't change the fact that migrants burnt the immigration facility.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:51 PM
But....That doesn't change the fact that migrants burnt the immigration facility.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:51 PM
Still no references other than one article in Spanish and one article in English (without verification, simply referencing the article in Spanish).

Is that all it takes to convince you? Womp womp.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 18 6:06 AM
Sure there are other references... to the witnesses.

The degree of you defense Central American migrants in Mexico facing deportation is fascinating and telling of how you'd defend illegals in the Untied States facing deportation.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 9:36 AM
This is not a defense of any individual, but an assertion that the story which mysteriously only exists on two news outlets was inaccurately reported.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 11:15 AM
You've yet to provide any legitimate bases for it's inaccuracy, so the conclusion that your motives are based on ideologue agenda vs. the incident itself is reasonable placed into question.

Just because it wasn't picked up by the corrupt media has zero to do with the legitimacy to its accuracy.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 11:32 AM
I didn't say anything about anyone's motives for inaccurate reporting, but merely asserted that, had undocumented immigrants been responsible for arson at a holding facility to our south, the story would have been independently verified and more-widely reported.

If something is told to me by two people, or only appears on two websites, I don't take it as gospel, but don't let me stop you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 11:37 AM
So we've learned one thing according to your keen analysis, Televisia Noticias is allegedly fabricating news, implicating the following for some yet-to-be determined peculiar motivation to which other Mexico news outlets picked up their story:

the local fire department
the local police department
employees at the facility
property damage, to include manufactured pictures.

Brilliant analysis. It's a conspiracy.


By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 3:06 PM
And yet no major Mexican or American news outlets have picked up and verified the story.

Anybody can put up a website and make up sources, I thought you knew this?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 3:47 PM
Fore, it’s fake news.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Nov 2, 18 3:48 PM
You and I appear to know this, Fred. I'm just having a good time watching Po bend over backwards trying to convince me it's not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 3:57 PM
Right now he’s twisted into knots
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Nov 2, 18 4:02 PM
Perhaps stupidity and hate are as hand in hand as arrogance and ignorance.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 30, 18 10:03 PM
This is what fake news is:



CNN and star anchor Jake Tapper are under fire for remaining silent when a guest on his program declared that President Trump had radicalized more people than ISIS. Hours later, CNN’s Don Lemon drew the ire of Majority Whip Steve Scalise by declaring that Democrats don’t kill people, completing a 24-hour span being labeled CNN’s “new low” by critics.

CNN has preached a call for civility since its New York headquarters ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 30, 18 11:42 PM
Yes, I agree that Trump's rejection of racism is half-hearted and his supporters overlook hateful rhetoric in exchange for tax cuts, what about it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 5:49 AM
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Diseased, here’s some “fake” news from Talking Points Memo.....The head of the National Republican Congressional Committee sharply condemned Rep. Steve King (R-IA) over his most recent racially charged comments, a major break for the party after years of defending the lightning-rod lawmaker. this is one of your great congressmen, racist white nationalist. Continue your feeble attempts diseased, your amusing.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 5:55 AM
Steve King
✔ @SteveKingIA
Americans, all created equal by God, with all our races, ethnicities, and national origins-legal immigrants & natural born citizens, together make up the Shining City on the Hill. These attacks are orchestrated by nasty, desperate, and dishonest fake news. Their ultimate goal is to flip the House and impeach Donald Trump. Establishment Trumpers are complicit,
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 6:03 AM
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His reply to his racism. He’s a loser and a racist. Another weak attempt by king at deflection. Another top notch republican.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 6:12 AM
Po boy, King has a tiny confederate flag on his desk, I wonder if it’s because he likes Lynyrd Skynyrd?
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 6:16 AM
@ Disease Diocese: First -- TLDR. Second -- I am also able to press Control C and Contol V. Third -- it is accepted practice to both quote and cite ones source so as to avoid the impression that one is trying to pass off someone else's work as their own.
By Aeshtron (393), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:19 AM
King does not have a Confederate flag on his desk.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 12:40 PM
From the Des Moines register ......In the midst of national turmoil over race and racism, U.S. Rep. Steve King has come under fire for displaying a Confederate flag on his office desk.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 12:48 PM
From the Iowa starting line.......
Yes, it appears King has a whole little collection of flags on the desk where he works on crafting the nation’s policy. It includes a United States of America flag, a State of Iowa one, the “Don’t Tread on Me” Gadsden flag, a Papal State flag and the Confederate flag. That’s the one used by those folks who seceded from the country and is typically regarded as racist imagery, in case you had forgotten. Also, as an important point ...more
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 12:50 PM
I just read he removed it, after a murder of two police officers.so that means he’s not a racist white nationalist? No, he’s still a d- bag. You can still have him as your hero Po boy.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 12:53 PM
From Talking Points Memo.......Rep. Chris Curbelo (R-FL), currently in the reelection fight of his life against Democratic challenger Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, sought to distance himself from the suddenly toxic Rep. Steve King (R-IA), whose white nationalist ties are proving problematic for him for the first time.

“His comments and his actions are disgusting,” Curbelo said to MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell. “And look, I know nothing about his opponent, but I will tell you ...more
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 12:57 PM
Nope, the Sioux City Journal says otherwise.

But regardless it begs the question, who cares? That is, other than the history erasing rabid Left? Maybe he admires the talent and leadership of General Lee, who was a Union General prior to feeling compelled to not turn his back on his beloved Virginia. Or the tenacity of the men who fought under incredible odds and horrendous conditions?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 12:58 PM
History erasing rabid left? No I applaud slavery, it was a great part of our history. Turn your back on traitors? Make them hero’s? That’s your gig, spare me your distorted view of history.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:09 PM
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

~ George Santayana
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 1:24 PM
Perfect quote for you and your distorted view. Your classic. Does it hurt when you shoot your self in the foot?
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:27 PM
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If he admired the talent and leadership of General Lee then why wouldn't he follow in the footsteps of the General who wrote, "I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war, but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavoured to obliterate the marks of civil strife and to commit to oblivion the feelings it engendered". Lee's writings after the war show that he was adamantly against the erecting of monuments which would glorify treasonous activity. If King wanted to show support ...more
By NorthSeaWhaler (10), southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:29 PM
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Maybe he has an appreciation for historical flags given he had a collection of them on his desk?

GASP!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 6:48 PM
Here’s a no maybe. He’s a white nationalist racist, he’s flying HIS flag.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 6:52 PM
No, he's not.
Oct 31, 18 7:20 PM appended by Po Boy
No, he doesn't have the confederate flag on his desk, yes, he likely is a nationalist in that he puts his country first - as he should!.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:20 PM
Has anyone read about Kanye's political 360 today?

I wonder if all the people who were singing his praises last week will continue do the same.

No? So he was just a tool? At least he realized it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 6:26 AM
The useful idiot, isn’t so useful after all
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 8:28 AM
Blexit and WalkAway movements terrify globalist Dems
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:08 AM
Ud, that’s a dud. No one cares about blexit or walkaway. It’s another lame initiative by the republicans to stir up their base. No ones falling for this horse s_ _ _ ,but the gullible right. Be scared my friend, be very scared.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:19 AM
So you DID see that Kanye completely denied having anything to do with Blexit! Time to change that profile photo and find a new personal hero.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:30 AM
Personally, I found many have found a new heroine in Candice Owens

She is super hot
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:47 AM
Speaking for others there, aren't you TCM?

Maybe good looks aren't as important in a hero to other people as they are to you?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:00 AM
Super hot AND she tells it like it is, much to the Left-wing extremist' dismay. A black woman, conservative, vocal....Liberal kryptonite!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 12:48 PM
No more praise of Kanye West being an independent thinker? Predictable.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 12:55 PM
Nice manufactured issue. Predictable.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 9:32 AM
What, Kanye doesn't have the answers anymore?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 10:11 AM
His viewpoint remains valid regardless of what his opinion and viewpoint is now. It has nothing to do with his "revelation" - for the truth knows no difference.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 11:28 AM
Right, I don't feel that the value of Kanye's opinion is any different today than it was last week, but it appears the people who were exalting him last week and are mum this week would.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 11:33 AM
Just because they are "mum" means nothing other than the value you have chosen to place on it.

with emphasis...you have chosen to place on it.

And know what, no one cares.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 3:00 PM
I know of at least one person who cares enough to continue responding ;)

And I don't post here for their pleasure, but for mine :)
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 3:08 PM
Self-righteousness fits you well.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 12:32 PM
I certainly acknowledge that I can come off as a sanctimonious know-it-all, but that doesn't nrcessarily render me incorrect. In fact, there's this thing called the "ad hominem fallacy" for your recommended reading.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 12:39 PM
Sanctimonious know-it-all and user of "ad hominem fallacy" that "necessarily" considers his opinion as uniformly correct.

I couldn't have said it better if I said it myself.


By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 9:34 PM
I certainly didn't say I was correct, just that being a sanctimonious know-it-all doesn't disprove the possibility I am.

On the other hand, attacking an opponent rather than their ideas...that's a recipe for a lackluster argument.

I don't use ad-hominem attacks, Po. That's you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 9:39 PM
Fore, try as you may to create the persona you have been personally attacked as a general rule, it just ain't so. I have every belief you think that to be true, but at the end of the day, there is just too much fodder to refute the fallacy within the ideology and if I had to guess, I'd chalk it up to the simple fact you don't like being questioned.

Classic projection.
Nov 5, 18 9:55 PM appended by Po Boy
But I do get a kick out of your taunting.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 9:55 PM
Regardless of my self-admitted shortcomings (or fun quirks, depending on your perspective), don't you realize that you do a lot of name-calling, Po?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 9:59 PM
I agree you think I do.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 11:13 PM
I guess I'll just point it out to you next time so you can be more self-aware.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 18 5:13 AM
Did the law and order chimpanzee offer his thoughts and prayers yesterday. I'm sure that was great consolation to the bereaved. How about banning AR-15's? Or do you think you still need it on Little round Top to dispel rebel intruders?
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:14 AM
When guns are out lawed only the government will have guns
Oct 31, 18 9:48 AM appended by They call me
.... sorry ment to say outlaws
By They call me (2756), southampton on Oct 31, 18 9:48 AM
It's time to start reducing the types of arms mass murderers use. Vote November 6th for Perry Gershon
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:00 PM
"reducing" riiiight....LMAO...translation....Goodbye AR-style guns, goodbye shotguns, goodbye handguns...

Why stop at guns, let alone, no mention of what to do with those hundreds of thousands of scary black rifles already on the prowl!?!

Goodbye Democrats.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 1:21 PM
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------ The Alt Left always wants to have a .." Conversation " .. about what Freedoms they want to TAKE FROM US NEXT !

Well , we're not having that little ' talk ' ....... At All !

An AR-15 is the ONLY thing between us and total progressive regulation of the constitution. Just like what you did to the Internet and free speech.!.!

Sorry Ill keep mine thank you !
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 4:04 PM
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Time to reduce the number of forks in order to combat the obesity epidemic,
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 31, 18 1:21 PM
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Whining is always the best tactic. Play the victim, working for trump.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 1:24 PM
What has been done, and is being done, to GAB is unfair. More fascism from the leftists of Silicon Valley, who are afraid of any competition. Fortunately, a few online who have no "twitter" presence have vowed to open a "gab" acc't. ASAP, as a show of support.

I keep checking to see if Gab is back online yet so I can sign up and watch the explosion of subscribers.
Oct 31, 18 4:45 PM appended by Ditch Bum
This whole censorship by Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, PayPal….. in an attempt to stop conservative views is going to backfire massively- a lot of the general public are becoming aware of this dictatorship of news flow and will respond accordingly.
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 4:45 PM
Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg stated recently that the upcoming U.S. midterm elections will be “a real test” of the company’s ability to crack down on “hate speech” and misinformation.

Translation: we will crack down on conservatives and anyone who does not agree with us.
Oct 31, 18 4:52 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
Hate Speech = Pointing out the truth of Communism BC it must be propped up with lies. The truth must not be allowed out.Only a commie would suppress free speech, right Mark.
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Oct 31, 18 4:52 PM
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Ditch bum, agreed. Mass murderers need a space to blow off steam. Neo nazis need a platform too. What don’t you start one? We need true Americans who believe in equal rights for conspiracy theorist. You can do it. Call it the Nazi station or killers are us. It can be your life’s work.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 4:52 PM
Whining is a classic tactic that only one party has used for decades upon decades....and it's not the Republican Party. Nice try though.

The midterms and the future of this country are less than a week away.

Realism and pragmatics vs. Idealism and Hypocrisy

You choose....
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Oct 31, 18 3:09 PM
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The Democrat Party base are the professional victim class, bitter , whiny little beotches. Do they have anything to run on besides whining about President Trump, favoring illegals over Americans, higher taxes , more regulations and bigger more overbearing government?
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Oct 31, 18 4:01 PM
The left created their own Boogeyman, Trump. What are they so afraid of?
By Sitfu (18), East Quogue on Oct 31, 18 5:38 PM
Big duck, listen to yourself whining. Trumps a low moral loser. You adore him, that’s telling. Keep spouting your nonsense, big piece of white bread for you. Quack quack quack
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 4:34 PM
In reality Tuesday is the most important day during our lifetimes. I believe the outcome is already set in stone, we just need Tuesday to find out what it is.

If Republicans hold the house and gain in the Senate then America still has a chance of surviving. If Dems win even the house it will let us know the American people no longer really care about the responsibility of being FREE.
By joe hampton (3395), The Hamptons on Oct 31, 18 4:39 PM
Most people would pick their wedding day or their child's birth, but if next Tuesday is the most important day of your life, who am I to judge?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 5:45 PM
You mean most people in your native land, which is obviously not the USA.
By themarlinspike (483), southampton on Oct 31, 18 6:51 PM
No, I mean most people in general. Is next Tuesday more important than the birth of your child?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 7:09 PM
Unless your child grows up to cure cancer, yes, Tuesday is the most day during our lifetimes.

Otherwise, the rest of us will use Tuesday in an attempt to cure cancer.



By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:19 PM
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What a weird thing to believe. I'd wager most parents would disagree, but to each his own. I know my children are more important to me than which political party is in control of Congress, but to each their own.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 7:22 PM
Aww Fore, you actually think this is a real conversation and your attempted reframing of joe's initial post wasn't noticed, how cute!

Are you suggesting Tuesday isn't the most important [electoral] day of our lifetime?



Oct 31, 18 7:32 PM appended by Po Boy
The reference to eradicating [Democrat political] cancer notwithstanding.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 7:32 PM
If I "reframed" the conversation in an innaccurate way, why did you engage with my comment?

Why wait until now to "correct" me when you were seriously asserting that next Tuesday is more important than your child's birth?

I think it's because you're not a parent and you just realized how stupid that sounds, so it's easier for you to backtrack and pretend you weren't really arguing that next Tuesday is the most important day of your life.

I think it's impossible to say ...more
Oct 31, 18 8:01 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
I also think that Joe was clearly referring to next Tuesday as the most important day of our lives in an unqualified fashion, but not everyone has the same level of reading comprehension and English IS my second language...
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:01 PM
Was there really any confusion on joe's post regarding the importance of Tuesday?

Or....

Were you just being obtuse and are you seriously continuing the charade?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:14 PM
Got it judging from your append...."containing the charade."

I'm not surprised.
Oct 31, 18 8:16 PM appended by Po Boy
And yes, I intentionally typed "containing" instead of "continuing" because English is my first language. Dilly dilly!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:16 PM
There was apparently confusion on your end, as you asserted that next Tuesday was indeed more important than a child's birth, but in any event I'm glad we agree that it's not.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:22 PM
LOL..."we agreed"

The charade continues.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:24 PM
Do you disagree? I wouldn't think it's such a hard thing to ponder, but maybe you're still on the fence depending on whether your child cures cancer or not.

That was my hint that you're not a parent, by the way. A parent doesn't measure the value of their child's life by their achievements.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:34 PM
...and the attempted reframing and charade continues...

And to joe's point of this [Tuesday] being the most important day during our lifetimes," "one might wonder, what country are we fighting for, for our children?

Look no further than these threads for your answer.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:42 PM
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So you'll stick with your assertion that, unless your child cures cancer, next Tuesday is more important than the day of their birth?

Ok, I can't tell you how to feel, but I and many others would disagree.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 8:49 PM
Like joe's original statement contrary to your attempts and chirade to reframe it, I stick with the assertion that "Tuesday is the most important [electoral] day of our lifetime."
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:58 PM
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And I'd disagree with that too, but it's far more reasonable than the assertion that next Tuesday is more important than your child's birth "unless your child grows up to cure cancer."

That'd just be dumb.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:06 PM
Dumb is the game playing charade.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:22 PM
Dumb is the game playing charade.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:22 PM
If your memory serves you'll remember that's what you wrote, and note the lack of inserted brackets.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:25 PM
What else did I write?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:28 PM
Democrat dilly dilly!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:29 PM
You mean when you started backtracking from your assertion that your child's birth would only be more important than next Tuesday if they cured cancer?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you took it back, but that doesn't mean you didn't say it.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:32 PM
In reality Tuesday is the most important day during our lifetimes. I believe the outcome is already set in stone, we just need Tuesday to find out what it is.

If Republicans hold the house and gain in the Senate then America still has a chance of surviving. If Dems win even the house it will let us know the American people no longer really care about the responsibility of being FREE.

By joe hampton (3201), The Hamptons on Oct 31, 18 4:39 PM
Oct 31, 18 9:35 PM appended by Po Boy
The Democrat know as Fore seem significantly invested in derailing the above sentiment. Why would that be?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:35 PM
I'm just pointing out how dumb it is to assert that it's more important than your child's birth, even if your child doesn't cure cancer which (which you asserted is the only situation in which your child's birth would be more important).

However, there's one parallel: just like you wouldn't know whether your child would cure cancer until many years have passed, we won't know how important this election will be until many years have passed, and that's true regardless of who wins.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:42 PM
In reality Tuesday is the most important day during our lifetimes. I believe the outcome is already set in stone, we just need Tuesday to find out what it is.

If Republicans hold the house and gain in the Senate then America still has a chance of surviving. If Dems win even the house it will let us know the American people no longer really care about the responsibility of being FREE.

By joe hampton (3201), The Hamptons on Oct 31, 18 4:39 PM
Oct 31, 18 9:43 PM appended by Po Boy
The only thing dumb is your repeated reframing of the original post and the continued charade.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:43 PM
You don't think it'd be dumb to assert that your next Tuesday is more important than your child's birth?

I think you'd be lonely in that corner.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:48 PM
LMAO Fore!

"In reality Tuesday is the most important day during our lifetimes. I believe the outcome is already set in stone, we just need Tuesday to find out what it is.

If Republicans hold the house and gain in the Senate then America still has a chance of surviving. If Dems win even the house it will let us know the American people no longer really care about the responsibility of being FREE.

By joe hampton (3201), The Hamptons on Oct 31, 18 4:39 PM"
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 9:51 PM
Did you tell your child that their birth is only more important than the midterm election if they cure cancer? I hope they like the sciences.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 9:59 PM
I told them it was the most important day during our lifetimes... and they said, "tell me more daddy."

So I did.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:06 PM
And I hope she and he cures cancer for all of our sakes.
Oct 31, 18 10:11 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
*or
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Oct 31, 18 10:11 PM
Of all varieties!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:19 PM
Wow Po boy, you are Po Herman’s younger brother. Dilly dilly !
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 8:22 PM
Here's to you Fred! Dilly dilly!
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 8:23 PM
Good one po
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Oct 31, 18 8:36 PM
People of all colors are welcome to the conservative side , Unlike the racist CNN host Don Lemon who said on Teusday " Don Lemon: "Biggest Terror Threat In This Country Is White Men"; We Had Muslim Ban, Why No "White Ban?"

Or this racist running Gillum whos staf was stone cold busted today by Project Veritas VERITAS BOMBSHELL: GILLUM STAFF ADMITS CANDIDATE FAR-LEFT, SAYS FLORIDA A ‘F***ED UP’ ‘CRACKER STATE’


All American citizens--Black, White, Latino, ...more
By 27dan (2774), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 31, 18 9:34 PM
"It is not power that corrupts but fear. Fear of losing power corrupts those who wield it and fear of the scourge of power corrupts those who are subject to it."

~ Aung San Suu Kyi
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Oct 31, 18 11:33 PM
Blexit and WalkAway movements terrify globalist Dems

LBJ now we'll have those (N word) voting for us for 200 years after he signed the Great Society Legislation that put African Americans right back on the Plantation as vote slaves for the Regressives.

The ONLY time Regressives seem to remember the black community is once every two years for the votes.

They are walking away because President Trump made them promises and he has KEPT those promises not just to African Americans ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2007), southampton on Nov 1, 18 12:00 AM
Ud, dream on. This is a con job your commander in Chief is telling you. I did my own , very unscientific poll. I asked every person of color I know , over a few week time span, about their feelings on trump. To a person, there was zero support for trump. One person in particular I asked if maybe a nutty uncle etc was for trump, no one he replied. I’ve asked native Americans, no support. Many many Latinos, zero support. Many people of color, black , brown and Asian, again zero support for ...more
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Nov 1, 18 6:09 AM
Dan, project veritas has zero credibility. Their track record is abysmal.if it’s on breitbart or infowars it’s good enough for you.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Nov 1, 18 6:18 AM
hence all the angst from the left, thanks for the great quote JuneZ
By bigfresh (4547), north sea on Nov 1, 18 6:25 AM
Hence the fact Republicans lie like a dog.
By Mr. Z (11561), North Sea on Nov 1, 18 6:52 AM
You people are all pathetic. Not a single one of you can make an argument in any direction without the ridiculous labeling of those you see as your opponents. Politics for simpletons is the name of the game here. Who the hell cares which "celebrity" said what to whom? Deal with facts for once, not rhetoric.

You want to know who the enemy is? It is us! That's why we slide further into the abyss daily.

Apologies to Walt Kelly.
By VOS (1224), WHB on Oct 31, 18 10:49 PM
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Read closer. Peel the away the layers of the onion.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Oct 31, 18 10:53 PM
I think the people praising Kanye West as an independent thinker (until he didn't agree with them anymore) care. It's just fun to throw it back in their faces.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 1, 18 5:39 AM
Kanye is an independent thinker and entitled to think whatever he wants. Who specifically said otherwise, when "he didn't agree with them anymore?"
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 9:31 AM
Well you weren't one of the folks heralding Kanye as a voice of reason (and kudos to you on that).

This comment was aimed at them.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 11:13 AM
Who is "them", but more importantly what did they do or not do, to warrant such criticism? I ask, because I haven't witnessed any actions that would warrant that sort of conclusion.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 11:23 AM
You didn't read the comments pushing Kanye as the "kryptonite" to Democrats in the coming midterm election?

Then I guess that's your problem.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 11:41 AM
The issues are still the same.Whether he has distanced himself is immaterial.

Whether it's Kanye or whoever...
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 1:20 PM
I agree: Kanye's support or rejection of ideas does not increase or decrease their merit.

My issue is with those to disagree and lauded Kanye for one but not the other.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 1:43 PM
Well, then you agree with your own opinion.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 2:57 PM
You don't agree that whether he "distanced himself [or not] is immaterial"?
Nov 3, 18 3:06 PM appended by Fore1gnBornHBgrown
And of course Po would rather turn tail and run than eat crow.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 3:06 PM
The issues are still the same. Whether he has distanced himself is immaterial.

Whether it's Kanye or whoever...
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 12:30 PM
I agree: whether he distanced himself OR NOT is immaterial.

If Kanye was a convincing authority figure to you before (not YOU but the proverbial "you"), then casting him aside once he is no longer pushing your agenda should trigger some serious cognitive dissonance.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 12:52 PM
So, as we come full circle, again....who cast him aside and what did they specifically say?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 9:21 PM
One need not say anything to cast a former hero aside; the sudden change in amount of attention devoted to talking about Kanye is evidence enough, at least to tickle my funny bone.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 9:25 PM
Well, the self-absorption aside, you have no specific evidence, simply the absence of evidence toward your conclusion. I see.

You know, the news cycle is pretty rapid. You may think about altering your expectations.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 9:43 PM
It certainly IS funny how after Kanye was all certain people here talked about for weeks, they can't even bother to acknowledge that their hero rejected being used as a tool any further, wouldn't you agree?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 5, 18 9:48 PM
It's only funny to you. The rest of the world has moved on.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 11:11 PM
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And that's OK, I'm here for me, not anyone else.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 6, 18 5:19 AM
The carnival barker is at it in full force, peddling his lies and pushing his fear mongering. He'll tell you anything he wants before the election because his base believes his lies. Who can forget, I'm building a wall and Mexico is paying for it. I have a really great plan for healthcare. I'm going to be the law and order President. We have innocent citizens, massacred and butchered across the nation. The only thing the orange chimpanzee has done is offer his thoughts and prayers. Inaction is not ...more
By Mets fan (1478), Southampton on Nov 1, 18 6:01 AM
“Mr Gershon, how do you plan to pay for “Medicare-For-All”

“Excuse me, I can’t talk right now. I have chocolate all over my hands.”
By SlimeAlive (1181), Southampton on Nov 1, 18 8:18 AM
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Ten Reasons NOT To Vote For Lee Zeldin,
so he will stop lying about your...

1.HealthCare
2.HealthCare
3.HealthCare
4.HealthCare
5.HealthCare
6.HealthCare
7.HealrhCare
8.HealthCare
9.HealthCare
10.HealthCare
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Nov 1, 18 5:24 PM
SERIOUSLY!!! Healthcare will always be an issue Bottom line NOTHING is Free nor should it be. I used to work for the Fed Gov't and my healthcare was almost no cost but the Salary was less. Nothing will ever be perfect.

GIVING Healthcare away for FREE doesn't solve problems it makes the PROBLEMS worse !!

By mychildmatters (70), SOUTHAMPTON on Nov 2, 18 9:25 AM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Nov 1, 18 5:24 PM
I still respect Kanye West. At least he never told anyone specifically who to vote for like Taylor Swift, Whoopi Goldberg, Oprah and countless other liberals who think they know better than you did. He just said vote your heart...which is exactly how you should vote. That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Most liberals cannot think for themselves.It's all group think and idealistic common ground. And, I said MOST...not all. Gone is the Democrat party of old. A party that I included ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Nov 1, 18 8:06 PM
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor!
By Ditch Bum (860), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 12:22 AM
I do.
I did.
Until I changed insurance companies and ran up against Lee Zeldin's
pre-existing condition BS. Lee Zeldin is a stone cold liar.
Repeat. Reasons 1-10: This man has lied, continued to lie, and has
shown no reason for us to believe he will be truthful in the future. Query:
why did he wait 500+ days to explain his vote to us at a town hall? He's a chickensh*t
liar - coming and going. He's not to be believed.
By allpeoplecount (64), eastport on Nov 2, 18 4:22 AM
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Did anyone receive the Perry Gershon disgusting clothes hanger mailer, stating "Lee Zeldin's plan for women's healthcare?"

Perry seems to be ending his campaign as distasteful and disgusting as he launched it when he compared Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler of Nazi Germany, who murdered 6 million Jews and millions of others.

Gershon will lose this election for all the right reasons.

By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 9:57 AM
Breaking News:

The DNC has been evacuated today after a suspicious package arrived. It turned out to be a copy of our country’s constitution...something none of them have ever seen before!
By DiseaseDiocese (590), Riverhead on Nov 2, 18 12:57 PM
Diseased, trump is a constitutional scholar? We are seeing his grasp of it in regards to the 14 th amendment.
By Fred s (3027), Southampton on Nov 2, 18 1:03 PM
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and ---->subject to the jurisdiction thereof<-----..."

How again are those here illegally, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof?"
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 1:16 PM
If a person commit's murder in the U.S. aren't they charged and tried in the U.S.?

That would appear to be an exercise of jurisdiction.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 1:45 PM
Nope, that's reframing the issue an is simply an exercise of law. That does not mean they are subject to its fursdication as they - as illegal parents - are in defiance of U.S. jurisdiction and are thereby citizens of another country, and subject to its jurisdiction.

If someone was here on vacation and they commit murder, should we simply let them go?
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 2:50 PM
Suggesting that being subject to the laws of the US is an exercise of jurisdiction doesn't mean that I think that jurisdiction shouldn't be exercised, as is done in cases of diplomatic immunity.

It's suggesting that being undocumented should convey diplomatic immunity that's a stupid idea.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 2:57 PM
That's about as jumbled mess as they come that conveys nothing, and everything.
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 2, 18 3:12 PM
That you can't understand what is conveyed is immaterial.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (7679), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 2, 18 3:19 PM
"Illegal parents?"

Is there now a legal requirement to become a parent?

What of those children conceived while their parents were on vacation? Does it matter where they were on vacation? What about on a cruise liner in international waters? Philip Nolan, anyone?
By VOS (1224), WHB on Nov 2, 18 5:42 PM
Why, they're citizens of the world, of course....
By Po Boy (4911), Water Mill on Nov 5, 18 12:27 PM
Hot Tubs,SALE, Southampton Village, SouthamptonFest weekend