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Sep 10, 2019 1:23 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

East Hampton School District Asks Board Of Elections To Keep Voting Out Of The Schools

Sarah Minardi, Wendy Geehreng, Jacqueline Lowey  and Christina DeSanti at the September 3rd Board of Education meeting. ELIZABETH VESPE
Sep 10, 2019 2:32 PM

Citing concerns about student safety, the East Hampton School District has asked the Suffolk County Board of Elections to move polling away from all three of its schools, sending a letter to that effect on September 5.

“This is not a new issue, but as mass shootings continue to plague our nation, school safety has gained significant political momentum in our community,” Richard Burns, the East Hampton superintendent, said in the letter. It was addressed to BOE Commissioners Anita Katz and Nick LaLota and copied to the superintendents of both East Hampton High School’s sending districts and of the Sag Harbor and Bridgehampton schools.

“Parents and the community at large are justifiably concerned about school safety, as indicated by the overwhelming public support for school districts to take steps to enhance school security,” the letter said.

At its meeting on Tuesday, September 3, the East Hampton School Board authorized Mr. Burns to draft and send the letter, which notes “our pleadings over many years … to seek an alternative to the two currently designated school polling locations” at the John M. Marshall Elementary School and East Hampton High School. Voting in local elections is scheduled to take place at John M. Marshall, East Hampton’s elementary school, on November 4 this year.

“It’s now September. The election is November 4,” board member Jacqueline Lowey said at last week’s meeting. “They’re going to tell us they’ve already mailed out mailers telling people where to vote … They’re probably printing them now.”

Ms. Lowey called the Board of Elections “lazy” for not looking into other options.

“They’re putting our kids at risk,” she said. “The taxpayers are paying for school security, and we’re inviting strangers into our schools. It makes no sense.”

According to Kerri S. Stevens, the district clerk, there is a law that gives the Board of Election discretion and jurisdiction over where polling will take place — it is not up to the school districts themselves.

The East Hampton School District has written several letters to the Board of Elections, Ms. Stevens added, and the School Board president, J.P. Foster, has met with the commissioners over the years to come up with a compromise. “This has been going on for a number of years and they’ve chosen not to change the locations,” Ms. Stevens said.

When elections take place inside the schools, she said the district tries to schedule a “staff development day,” canceling classes that so no students are present as strangers enter and exit to vote.

In the past, Ms. Stevens said, there have been some school days scheduled during elections, but the administration tries to design the calendar specifically not to have any students present on election days.

Locally, Ms. Stevens said, there are plenty of other options for voting, including the East Hampton Firehouse and Neighborhood House, where elections have been held in the past. “Why not the American Legion Hall? There are places to consider other than school districts,” she added. “The issue is gaining momentum in school districts.”

The Board of Elections had considered moving Election Day voting from the elementary school to the board meeting next to the high school, which might be more secure because it is separated from the students, but the room was determined to be too small to accommodate all the election districts.

The board discussed adding another room and locking the door that leads to the halls of the adjoining high school, but felt that it would not be a safe option, either.

Board member John J. Ryan Sr. said he thinks other polling places should be explored before considering the high school. “We don’t believe they’re looking hard enough,” he said of the Board of Elections.

“It needs to be pushed, it needs to be publicized and it needs to be fixed,” said Christina DeSanti, the board’s vice president. “At some point they’re going to have to move everything out of the schools.”

In his letter, Mr. Burns invited the Board of Elections to attend a meeting of the East Hampton School Board on Tuesday, September 17, to discuss the matter further.

“It is no longer acceptable to allow our school buildings to remain open to all, without challenge by security personnel. We simply cannot compromise the safety of our students and staff,” the letter said.

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Make Election Day a holiday. Swap the second Monday in October for the second Tuesday in November. All East End schools.
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Sep 10, 19 3:19 PM
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Or turn the day into a Teacher Conference Day and add a day to the school calendar.
By ILOONI (13), CUTCHOGUE on Sep 11, 19 7:22 PM
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Until you realize that effects contracts and pay...
By FarOutEast (16), Southampton on Sep 19, 19 2:36 PM
Despicable fear mongering for political gain. Carefully building the narrative to instill irrational fear in children in order to make them loathe firearms, so that in the future they’ll be less resistant to the elimination of their 2nd amendment rights. School shootings are extraordinary rare. According to the Washington Post, the odds of being shot at school are 614,000,000 to 1. Each year exponentially more children die in school bus accidents, sports injuries, or from diseases contracted ...more
By MoronEliminator (215), Montauk on Sep 10, 19 4:05 PM
I would imagine you have no children in our schools? The problem, generally with our nation right now is that everything is identified as republican or democrat and nobody can have a position on anything without it being categorically called political.

Irrational fear for our children when they are taught how to protect themselves from school shootings? Was it irrational fear mongering when I was taught how to hide under my desk in case of a bomb during the Cold War?
By ammills (24), east hampton on Sep 10, 19 4:21 PM
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Well...yeah, Bert the Turtle and his "duck and cover" song were pretty irrational if you think about it now.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 10, 19 4:27 PM
The democrats are essentially saying they do not trust their own constituency. Can you blame them?
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Sep 11, 19 8:34 AM
Do you trust strangers on line at the grocery store?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 11, 19 11:53 AM
Are they Democrat?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 11, 19 12:09 PM
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No.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Sep 11, 19 12:11 PM
Good answer! Do you see the inconsistency in your logic?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 11, 19 10:00 PM
No, I am just choosing to not answer you. Don't be lazy and do some work for yourself for once. We researched and look at various places and found a fantastic private school for our children. I mean do you even have children of school age? If the answer is no then it should be none of your concern where families choose to send their children for an education.
Sep 12, 19 7:09 AM appended by Preliator Lives
put this in the wrong place, sorry, typing too fast i guess
By Preliator Lives (436), Obamavillie on Sep 12, 19 7:09 AM
I guess I'll respond here then: I don't care where you send your kids to school, but I care if you want to shirk your responsibility to the community by refusing to fund public schools.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 12, 19 7:24 AM
What a bunch of dramatic idiots. A wacko doesnt care if its election day or ground hogs day. These people on school boards need to get a grip because they are more than happy to have a school budget vote again and again until it passes.
By chief1 (2800), southampton on Sep 10, 19 4:53 PM
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“They’re putting our kids at risk,” she said. “The taxpayers are paying for school security, and we’re inviting strangers into our schools. It makes no sense.”

It is the taxpayers that are coming to vote. The same taxpayers that are paying for the school security. Not strangers. Taxpaying residents. Some probably have kids that go to the school.

Mrs Lowey needs to do her homework before she speaks. Or at least think.
By AL (83), southampton on Sep 10, 19 9:43 PM
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Smart Those who support losing candidates are completely unhinged.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Sep 11, 19 8:33 AM
Better solution; close public schools, get rid of the over paid administrative staff and give people vouchers to send their kids to better competitive private schools. Problem solved.
By Preliator Lives (436), Obamavillie on Sep 11, 19 9:03 AM
You care to list these "better, competitive private schools, problem solved."?
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Sep 11, 19 3:21 PM
No.
By Preliator Lives (436), Obamavillie on Sep 12, 19 6:54 AM
Public schools are the vehicle of class-mobility in America.

Maybe you don't care about poor people having a fair shot at improving their state in life, but I don't think anyone voted for you.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 12, 19 7:05 AM
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Public schools use to be the vehicle of class mobility, now they are indoctrination centers and cash farms for overpaid administrative heavy hucksters. And I do care about everyone having access to education and improving themselves which is why I stated it would be better if parents received a voucher to apply to the school of their choice for their children. Why should you be forced to entrust your children with people you don't know hired by more people you don't know?
By Preliator Lives (436), Obamavillie on Sep 13, 19 2:16 PM
Nobody is forced to send their kids to public schools, they're only required to support them financially in order to benefit society at large.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 13, 19 2:27 PM
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Chiel and AL.... prepare your apology to Mrs. Lowey... Let me explain so someone from outside of our school district can understand...

The exterior doors of East Hampton High School are locked. A visitor must "buzz" to gain entry from a security guard or school employee sitting in an enclosed booth. The visitor must then approach the booth and provide identification and explain their reason for entering the school. If approved, the visitor must then be "buzzed" through interior locked doors.

Now ...more
By harbor (414), East Hampton on Sep 11, 19 10:08 AM
Chief ? AL? Thought so. Must be doing their homework.
By harbor (414), East Hampton on Sep 12, 19 10:30 AM
Many schools schedule staff development for election days citing safety concerns and then have an open door policy for the school budget vote going so far as to schedule as many activities as possible while students are in attendance. Either it's a safety concern or it isn't. They can't have it both ways.
By cmac (184), EAST QUOGUE on Sep 12, 19 1:05 PM
Close the school, take a snow day. Next will be Southampton and on and on.
Public school, open for the public, paid for by the public.
By knitter (1940), Southampton on Sep 13, 19 3:35 PM
Try strolling into a Federal Government building in D.C. while mumbling that rap about paying income tax and your rights. Have a friend with bail money close by for when the mental evaluation is over.
By even flow (1023), East Hampton on Sep 17, 19 6:04 AM
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Isn't that what basically happened with the Bundy family?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 7:09 AM
Oh Knitter.... sigh. Wouldn’t it just be better to have voting at another location? Clean and simple.. right?

So you’re argument is that there shouldn’t be any security concerns at schools.. anyone should be able to enter and wander halls at their pleasure? Interesting..

By harbor (414), East Hampton on Sep 14, 19 9:56 AM
Seems like a big opportunity to reign in the school budget. If it's harder for the parents to vote then it's easier to vote down the budget. If you want to really scare off the illegal voters, have the school budget vote at the police station.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 16, 19 8:24 PM
What illegal voters?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 6:47 AM
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Maybe none. So you're ok with moving the voting booth out of the schools? Seems like that might backfire on the Easthampton Board of Ed but if that's what they want, go for it.
Hopefully this will spread to all the other school districts. -- let's put the voting booths on the property.of the Mason Halls and the VFW Posts.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 17, 19 7:38 AM
I have no opinion one way or the other about where EH holds school board elections, I'm just challenging your view that there are illegal voters to scare off.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 7:41 AM
If there are no illegal voters, then why check the name and address of people voting in a book with a big print out of the names of people legally allowed to vote on election day before allowing some one to vote?
Unlike New York State drivers licenses, free healthcare at SUNY Southampton Hospital and public education, you still need to be a citizen of the US to vote, and registered in the district where the voting takes place. If not, and you attempt to vote, you are prevented from voting ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 18, 19 6:53 AM
I took it as a slur meaning "undocumented" just as UD did, but I appreciate now that it's not what you meant.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 18, 19 7:05 AM
Now I'm really confused. Is "undocumented" a slur? Or is "illegal" a slur? Or both? What is the politically correct term for "doing something that is not legal"?
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 18, 19 7:45 AM
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Illegal is a slur when used as a noun to refer to undocumented people. I see now that you were using it as an adjective to describe unregistered voters in general.

Thanks for not doing the former in favor of the latter.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 18, 19 9:39 AM
Ok so "people who are attempting to vote illegally" is OK by you.

How about "people who are illegally working without valid work visas". Is that ok?
How about driving after having 4 or 5 drinks and mowing down a cub scout troop out for a hike? That's not an illegal driver, that's a "person who is driving illegally."

Not really tripping off the tongue when you say it out loud.
Seems easier to say "illegal voters" and "illegal workers" but just want to make sure that we ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 19, 19 11:21 AM
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Even "illegal voters" is fine by me. I just thought you meant it as "undocumented people" because some people use it interchangeably, but I'm glad you didn't.

In contrast, "people who are illegally working without valid work visas" refers specifically to undocumented people, whereas "illegal workers" refers to anyone working illegally irrespective of immigration status, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 11:29 AM
How are illegal workers different from undocumented? You mean like in New York State whereby union workers must be used in certain construction projects paid for by taxpayers through the awardimg.of government contracts whereas undocumented workers can be hired by anyone? You mean like.that? So that public schools can only be built and staffed with unionized workers but the children of undocumented immigrants can go there for.free?
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 19, 19 12:58 PM
Children of undocumented aliens may be us citizens.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 19, 19 1:11 PM
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Yes, one example of an illegal worker would be a non-union member on a worksite that requires unionized labor by law.

Some other examples off the top of my head would be underage workers and unlicensed workers.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 1:13 PM
Excellent examples. So you are ok with law enforcement officers preventing children from working, unlicensed dentists, pharmacists, electricians, hairdressers, medical doctors, et al. from working, non-union workers on union only jobs and that this prevention includes fines and/or imprisonment for egregious violations of these codes?

Therefore, logically, it is ok for law enforcement officers to prevent undocumented residents without valid work visas from working.
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 20, 19 4:47 PM
Do law enforcement officers prevent those things? I think they're civil violations dealt with through compliance audits and monetary fines.

Also, you're right: I am totally on-board with mandatory E-verify and heavy monetary fines against businesses that fail to comply.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 4:57 PM
Unions are nothing more than a protection racket and have outlived their usefulness by decades. Requiring union labor on government projects is nothing more than payback to the union big wigs who are powerful Democrat Party contributors using union dues to bribe politicians.
By bigfresh (4662), north sea on Sep 20, 19 5:19 PM
Bigfresh, like police and firefighters unions?
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 20, 19 5:26 PM
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Law enforcement officers can be given the mandate of enforcement of the work rules you used as examples. Who would stop a local factory from employing children? And how do you determine if a child is not the legal age to work. You check their age with either their birth certificate or their US issued entry visa.
Once a worker is determined to be illegal, do you prevent their return to work?
Once a resident is determined to be in the US without a proper visa do you return them to their ...more
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 20, 19 6:45 PM
Sure, and they could be given a mandate to start lemonade stands on every street corner too, but that's not their job right now.

Back in the real world:

"The Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division (WHD) administers and enforces the federal child labor laws. Generally speaking, the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) sets the minimum age for employment (14 years for non-agricultural jobs), restricts the hours youth under the age of 16 may work, and prohibits youth under the age ...more
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 22, 19 7:21 AM
Perhaps the ones that need a sign out front along with a ballot printed in a foreign language?! One needs to be a citizen to vote , the citizenship test is in English, with me so far? Those who are citizens have the requisite language skills to vote in English and should be able to figure out their polling place without the Spanish signage.
By bigfresh (4662), north sea on Sep 17, 19 6:52 AM
USCIS tests for a minimum proficiency, not absolute comfort. Being more comfortable with another language is not un-American, just go ask nona.

Don't like the law that requires ballots to be in languages that represent the local community? Change it!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 6:57 AM
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My horoscope today said someone will start an argument with no facts. Thanks bigfresh for making it true.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 17, 19 7:24 AM
English is the de facto official language of our still great nation, those who fail to learn are doomed to a second class existence. It's laudable that previous waves of immigrants assimilated and learned English as a mater of course and didn't demand that those already here accommodate them. The entitled attitude of our current crop of invaders is pitiful.
By bigfresh (4662), north sea on Sep 17, 19 2:21 PM
"Second-class" citizens, as you call them, are still allowed to vote.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 2:45 PM
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Did bf say "second class citizens. Nope.

There is nothing incorrect about the statement, "those who fail to learn [english] are doomed to a second class existence"

Sure, "second class citiens" as you call them, can vote, it they are citizens. How about we implement universal backgroud checks on the voter rolls similar to what is being suggested for gun purchases?


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 18, 19 11:59 AM
Do you mean let's do both as a compromise? I'd be onboard with that.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 18, 19 12:07 PM
Po boy, as soon as the defunct voter fraud Commission comes up with concrete proof of widespread voter fraud, as trump said, let us know. In the meantime we can come up with concrete proof of gun owners committing mass murders. Voter fraud is a non issue, gun violence is an issue.what a joke.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 18, 19 12:08 PM
Well voter fraud isn't a "non-issue"...I remember a cople of folks who were caught voting for Trump more than once.

There certainly isn't any evidence that it's widespread, though.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 18, 19 12:17 PM
I don’t think 20+ people were murdered with the couple of illegal voters.its a “ non issue “ to compare the two.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 18, 19 12:22 PM
From politifact, The Washington Post reported that so far there were a total of four confirmed cases of voter fraud nationwide in the 2016 election. That’s out of about 135 million votes cast.
If that’s not a “non issue “ I don’t know what is.
Update: The CDC’s official tally of 2017 gun deaths has been released.

Excluding most suicides, at least 15,549 people were killed by guns in the United States in 2017, according to data collected by Gun ...more
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 18, 19 12:28 PM
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You're right, there's certainly far fewer cases of voter fraud per year in comparison to gun homicides per year.

I was just making a funny observation about Trump being a beneficiary of voter fraud.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 18, 19 12:37 PM
"Confirmed cases"..."confirmed"...

Conveniently, the fact the voter fraud commission was blocked at every turn doesn't arise.

Would this be a good time to raise the issue of violent crime committed by illegals in some sort of comparison? Oh right, we probably don't know that either. That too is blocked at every turn.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 19, 19 2:15 PM
If it doesn’t exist, just make it up?illegal voting that is
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 19, 19 2:20 PM
That's exactly it, Fred. It'd be funny if it wasn't so shameful.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 6:19 PM
How do you know it doesn't exist. The simple request for voter roll information wasn't provided. If it doesn't exist, why try so hard to dispel any possibility or perception of it's existence? Let it be dispelled!

Why exclude suicides from your stats from the GVA* Fred? They make up 60% of gun deaths. Meanwhile, 10 million semi-automatic black scary rifles in the US and 403 murders by rifles of any kind...

*Why the “Gun Violence Archive” Is Flawed From the Start
by ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 12:34 PM
Po boy, I left off the suicide rate on purpose. Generally the gun crowd points it out as not being a gun problem. I’m sure the families of the 403 murder victims can rest knowing it’s such a low number.as to voter fraud, Kris Kobachs whole campaign on this issue has been an utter failure and joke. There was never the talk of massive voter fraud till trump brought it up, him and kobach are two giant jokes. One down, one to go.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 20, 19 12:43 PM
Nowhere in Po's comment was there any evidence that voter fraud is widespread, even in the states that did cooperate with Trump's commission.

It is an imagined issue invented by Trump to explain why he lost the popular vote when, in fact, he's juts not that popular.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 12:51 PM
Fore, that’s false. He had the biggest inauguration crowd ever.people love him, unfortunately it’s 37-40 % of the electorate. Thank god he’s been building his base.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 20, 19 1:17 PM
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How do we know there isn't widespread voter fraud? Is immigration status checkeed? Nope. Never.
Sep 20, 19 2:55 PM appended by Po Boy
BTW, NO state fully complied with the request for voter information. To say the commission didn't find anything is a blantantly misleading statement...because...uh....they didn't get the information they requested.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 2:55 PM
Po boy, the commission was a farce and a joke, just like the accusations of mass voter fraud.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 20, 19 3:10 PM
Kris Kobach didn't cooperate with his own commission? Well alright, then. I guess everyone else is off the hook as well.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 3:14 PM
Great, no fraud! Let's check immigration status of voters just to make sure!!
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 23, 19 9:35 AM
Taking medicine for an illness that doesn't exist is a waste of time and resources.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 23, 19 9:40 AM
How do you know whether you're sick?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 8:54 AM
You show symptoms. Where are the symptoms, Po?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 9:03 AM
Not always.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 9:40 AM
At least we're clear that there are no symptoms.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 9:41 AM
Are we clear?

Aren't there? How do you know? Care to provide the medical report where citizenship is confirmed?

You know it's wise to get annual check ups, right?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 10:25 AM
Aren't we clear? Where are the symptoms, Po?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 24, 19 10:30 AM
You said we're clear, didn't you? I didn't.

Symptoms of what? Non-citizens voting? That's NEVER been checked.

Care to provide the medical report where citizenship is confirmed?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 24, 19 11:15 AM
@ bigfresh

Quote:

"[T]he citizenship test is in English, with me so far?"
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No, bigfresh, we are not. Because you are telling ANOTHER porky. In reality, the citizenship test MAY be taken in the native language of the applicant.* Also, when did ENGLISH become the official language of New York (or of the United States or of American citizens for that matter?)

Perhaps that's something that you should work on, bigfresh. Survey your ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Sep 17, 19 7:33 AM
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Thanks Hat, I learned something new today!
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 7:36 AM
Print them up in any language they want so long as the voting booths are out.of the schools. VFW Post and the Main Street Beach Pavilion would be fun alternative voting locations. Go for it Easthampton Board of Ed, what could possibly go wrong for you all?
By dfree (818), hampton bays on Sep 17, 19 7:41 AM
That's LIES by omission, hat. You portray your argument as a matter of fact that testing in English, is optional without mentioning any details behind, "MAY be taken in the native language of the applicant." Fact is, unless you qualify for an exemption, you will have to take the English test and the civics test in English.

The citizenship test follows the “50/20” and “55/15” exceptions. These rules provide exemptions to the English section if you are 50 or older ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 17, 19 7:51 AM
...and it's also not exclusively in English
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 7:54 AM
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@ Po Boy

1) Since I provided you with the details in my citation, your claim of "lies by omission" is specious since I-OMITTED-NOTHING. You still have complete ownership of your favorite form of deception.

2) "So you see, as a general rule, YES the citizenship test IS in English." Which statement, stripped of your prefacing qualification, is FALSE.

3) "*US Citizenship and Immigration Services / Policy Manual" What is THIS? An ambiguous reference to the source of the ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Sep 17, 19 8:32 AM
You omitted nothing?

LOL, well yeah...Nothing except the part about the test is in English and the existence of exceptions.

Do you work by chance for the New York Times?

By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 17, 19 9:10 AM
BF said everyone takes the test in English.

Hat said not everybody takes the test in English and left a citation for anyone interested in further reading, end of story.

Don't like further reading? Die mad about it?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 9:21 AM
Do you ever accurately repeat what someone wrote?

"...the citizenship test is in English..." TRUE

"...the citizenship test MAY be taken in the native language of the applicant..." MISLEADINGLY FALSE. It isn't their prerogative.

No where is "everyone" used as you say. The citizenship test IS in English, unless you qualify for an exception. The citizenship test can NOT necessarily be taken in the native language of the applicant. They must first meet an age, time and status ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 17, 19 1:55 PM
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It's obvious that BF implied it was only in English, otherwise why would he use that as a rationale for having English-only signs outside polling places?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 2:01 PM
If a CITIZEN can't read 'VOTE HERE' in English there's a serious problem. Perhaps they aren't a citizen? With NY giving driver's licenses to illegals and the motor voter registration program in place , it's a distinct possibility.
By bigfresh (4662), north sea on Sep 17, 19 2:24 PM
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It's not just the signs you mentioned, but also the ballots themselves.

Not everyone who takes a citizenship test does so in English.

Your excuse for doing away with alternative ballots is moot.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 2:44 PM
@ Po Boy

By god, Po Boy, once you get the bit between your teeth with a lie, there's no holding you back. This thread reminds me of the one where you persisted in your casuistry to the point where you were claiming that "Trump's Wall" needn't be anything more than a split-rail fence. (Bet your [notional] true believer lodge brothers haven't forgotten THAT one!)

Now to work:

Quote:

"'...the citizenship test is in English...' TRUE

'...the citizenship ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Sep 18, 19 2:53 PM
It reminds me of the one where you supported the notion, "Lee Zeldin hasn't done a thing for the East End."

Nope, hat. Fore said, "BF said everyone takes the test in English." He didn't. What bf DID say, was ""[T]he citizenship test is in English, with me so far?" You know this, because you quoted him. The presumption is that the primary means for administering the test, is English, not necessarily, the only. Not to mention, those receiving exceptions, AREN'T even legally allowed to vote. ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 19, 19 12:27 PM
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As long as BF understands that not everyone takes the citizenship exam in English, I have no issue.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 1:14 PM
That doesn't exclude the issue of someone who is 50 or older and has had a valid green card for at least 20 years or 55 years or older and has a valid green card for 15 years not being able to speak or understand English, let alone, enough English to vote.

If they can't grasp the language after 15-20 years, well, say hello to second class existence, let alone, would seem to have some inconsistency to the sworn oath requirement of performing noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 19, 19 2:06 PM
@ Po Boy

No issue, Po Boy.

You are simply mendaciously misconstruing bigfresh's post which would be irrelevant to his purpose if he were admitting the possibility that the citizenship test is administered in any languages OTHER THAN English (as readers can determine to their own satisfaction.) Your claim that he is only saying that "The presumption is that the primary means for administering the test, is English, not necessarily, the only." is infantile casuistry. But then, you're ...more
By highhatsize (4216), East Quogue on Sep 19, 19 2:15 PM
That's correct, "The presumption is that the primary means for administering the test, is English, not necessarily, the only."

You seem to have issue with someone interpreting something in a manner that runs contrary to your own as if YOURS is the only view?

Why would I need a citation to state what should be obvious, that people who aren't citizens YET, AREN'T even legally allowed to vote? By golly, do you ask because you have interpreted something differently than it was written, ...more
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 19, 19 2:29 PM
“Not to mention, those receiving exceptions, AREN'T even legally allowed to vote.”what was the point of stating that?
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 19, 19 2:40 PM
Po Boy's back arches as far backwards as necessary to defend a defenseless point.

They would call him Gumby, but even Gumby knows not everyone takes the citizenship exam in English.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 6:16 PM
LOL... "even Gumby knows not everyone takes the citizenship exam in English."

Didn't I post the exceptions stating that? Have you Foregotten again?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 12:16 PM
Hear that BigFresh, or are you hiding from your initial stupid point?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 12:20 PM
Fore, be a little more precise. Bf has posted many stupid points.
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 20, 19 12:26 PM
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Specifically, the one about multi-lingual ballots and signs at polling sites not being justified because "the citizenship test is in English" which, as we've come to learn thanks to Hat, is not always true.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 12:33 PM
The citizenship, as a standard, is in English.
Sep 20, 19 12:39 PM appended by Po Boy
*test
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 12:39 PM
"Didn't [you] post the exceptions stating that?"
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 12:46 PM
"Yes, English is the standard and exceptions can be requested if [you] they meet one."
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 2:42 PM
Ergo, not every citizenship test is taken in English, which makes "the citizenship test is in English" a stupid reason to suggest multi-lingual ballots and signage are not justified. Hear that, BF?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 3:13 PM
But the citizenship test IS in english. Should we do exceptions similar to the citizenship test for election ballots and signage, too?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 23, 19 9:33 AM
Not every citizenship test is taken in English so we should account for Americans by providing signage and ballots in places where languages other than English are prevalent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 23, 19 9:38 AM
How do you know those voting who speak a language other than Eglish are American?

Isn't a basic tenant of citizenship that they be able to read, write, and speak basic English?


By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 23, 19 9:49 AM
If you say so, Po. I'm not saying everyone who speaks a language other than English is American, just pointing out that, as a fact and contrary to BigFresh's belief, there are Americans who did not take the citizenship test in English, so we should account for them by providing signage and ballots in places where languages other than English are prevalent.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 23, 19 10:01 AM
Election Day 2020 is going to be shiite show no matter where you go vote.
Your children do not need to exposed to the left nuts dressed as vaginas, or the right nuts toting their gun in one hand, holding the confederate flag in the other.
Use the fire stations that are already manned by the finest donut eating bunch o cops tax payers dollars can buy.
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 19 8:29 AM
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By DiseaseDiocese (666), Riverhead on Sep 17, 19 2:09 PM
The Clintons and Soros are nobodies who live rent-free in your mind.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 2:18 PM
Who said anything about firemen? They're the Bravest!
And Southampton has a gorgeous fairly new firehouse over there right next to the school that can be used for elections. And there's cops there all the time on break. I hope your family is not as diseased as you are.
By deepchanel (89), Hampton Bays on Sep 17, 19 3:24 PM
Diseased,it’s called sarcasm. Get over yourself
By Fred s (3320), Southampton on Sep 17, 19 2:16 PM
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Hey libs...how does it feel to have a huge L on your foreheads today? Lewandowski made the Dems look lost and confused for most of the hearing. Nadler must’ve had his belt too tight around his FUPA. Thank you Cory. You’re a great American.
By DiseaseDiocese (666), Riverhead on Sep 17, 19 5:46 PM
Your opinion is noted.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 17, 19 5:53 PM
Behaving worse than a disrespectful juvenile delinquent, committing perjury, protecting a criminal, and proudly proclaiming that he lies is your idea of a "great American"? Are those the values that were instilled in you as you were being prepared for life as an American? Is Lewandowski who you present to your children as a role model?
Can you help us understand the genesis of your admiration of someone whose character is antithetical to any and everything instilled in most decent Americans?
By June Bug (2676), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 18, 19 6:54 PM
Who looks like a complete a$$?

Corey Lewandowski: The Mueller report was very clear. There was no collusion… no obstruction.

Alisyn Camerota: That's not what the Mueller report said.

Corey: It absolutely says that.

Alisyn: Did you read the Mueller report?

Corey: No, I never did.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Sep 20, 19 5:19 AM
Get TSA to check everyone going into the school, very safe for all
By knitter (1940), Southampton on Sep 18, 19 9:23 AM
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Well yes Junebug...I’m glad you asked.
From Townhall:

Jerry Nadler's Troubling History
Ron Kolb  | September 17, 2019






House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler is still desperately continuing his quest to impeach Donald Trump. At a hearing last week in a veiled attempt to advance it, Nadler said he "no longer cared about the nomenclature." And he told CNN "it is not necessarily called an impeachment inquiry...it is however, what we ...more
By DiseaseDiocese (666), Riverhead on Sep 18, 19 8:54 PM
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What "veiled attempt"? The objective of building an impeachment case has been openly acknowledged from the start.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 6:52 AM
The impeachment charade is little more than the Democrat Party pandering to their alt left base. Carry on , please!
By bigfresh (4662), north sea on Sep 19, 19 3:55 PM
Trump did try to order Jeff Sessions to limit the Mueller probe, right?
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 19, 19 6:17 PM
Trump Derangement Syndrome

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

'Charging the president with a crime was...not an option we could consider'

The special counsel on Wednesday also said that he was legally unable to charge the president with a crime, emphasizing ...more
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Sep 20, 19 5:13 AM
LOL...didn't you get the memo Z? The Bitter Clingers have moved on for now. The flavor of the day is ....GASP....making unspecified promises to an unspeified foreign leader. Don't worry though, that wopper will cycle back at some point. Be patient.
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 2:47 PM
More specifically, it's called "quid pro quo" and anyone who's had a good-paying job in the last decade knows it's a no-no.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 21, 19 6:13 AM
Another liberal in blackface. I won’t get into it. But I will ask a question.

What would happen to Brett Kavanaugh if decades old pictures resurfaced with him in blackface? Cmon libbies...you know the answer.
By DiseaseDiocese (666), Riverhead on Sep 20, 19 4:56 AM
It's a Halloween costume. Masquerade, as it were. I suppose Robert Downey Jr. is a racist for "Tropic Thunder" as well?

What a bunch of snowflakes.
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Sep 20, 19 5:17 AM
Rā's al Ghūl

The Man Who Made Trump a Monster: Inside ‘Where’s My Roy Cohn?’

Kevin Fallon


In a new documentary, Roy Cohn is called evil, ugly, corrupt, indecent, a hypocrite, a puppeteer, a liar, and a demagogue. And that is by his family and friends.

Many described Cohn as a mentor to Trump. Some have gone as far as to refer to him as Trump’s surrogate father. Tyrnauer says he was shocked by how many people he interviewed ...more
By Mr. Z (11830), North Sea on Sep 20, 19 5:36 AM
Hey Z...you didn’t answer the question. Ok..it’s a Halloween costume, a masquerade. But what if it was Brett Kavanaugh? Exactly. You can’t answer the simple question because it’s not so simple. He would’ve been thrown own already by now. Keep the non-answers coming though. The non-answers 100% keep proving my point. Who’s next?
By DiseaseDiocese (666), Riverhead on Sep 20, 19 6:56 AM
I agree with you, not on Kavanaugh but that Trudeau was a jackass and should have known better, but can you please learn to respond in the same thread as the person you're replying to? Your current style makes it difficult to follow a conversation.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 7:09 AM
Hear that Fred and highatsize?
By Po Boy (5299), Water Mill on Sep 20, 19 12:14 PM
It's funny to watch democrats defend vaping, black face, John Bolton, Iran, China, North Korea, evil corporate owned media, internet billionaires and Michael Cohen. All because Trump doesn't like them.
By even fIow (60), Westhampton Beach on Sep 20, 19 12:45 PM
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Who is defending any of that? I've heard some people complaining that the vape ban is an example of big government and will only buoy the black market, but they're mostly republican.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (8260), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 20, 19 12:49 PM
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