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Jan 21, 2015 11:44 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Questions President's Bipartisan Plea In Response To State Of The Union Speech

Jan 21, 2015 12:32 PM

U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin isn’t convinced President Barack Obama is committed to working with Republicans after sitting through his first State of the Union address in Washington, D.C. on Tuesday night.

In the speech, President Obama touted improvement in economic growth, foreign affairs and America’s values, but pressed Congress to work together on issues the parties don’t see eye to eye on.

In fact, a large portion of the speech focused on the president’s desire to see both sides of the aisle come together in a real way to pass legislation that works for everyone.

“Imagine if we broke out of these tired old patterns,” he said. “Imagine if we did something different.”

But Mr. Zeldin was skeptical of the president’s desire to put politics aside.

“I sat listening attentive to all the words being spoken by the president and a lot of his ideas … as they say, the devil in the details,” he said by phone from Washington on Wednesday morning. “He’s very political. Some things he said may be proposed because they’re popular and would politically score points. He’s not necessarily committed to working with his colleagues on the other side of the aisle to reach a reasonable compromise. If you listen again to what he was saying, he wants to work with us if we agree with him. If we only partly agree, he wants to work with us on the part we agree with.”

He added that it would be impossible for any party to have it 100 percent their way.

President Obama said he would veto any attempt by Republicans to repeal the Affordable Care Act, or “put the security of families at risk by taking away their health insurance, or unraveling the new rules on Wall Street, or re-fighting past battles on immigration when we’ve got a system to fix.”

Mr. Zeldin said his “threats” to veto legislation he didn’t agree with was further proof that President Obama was not committed to compromise.

“He’s not taking a very valid concern of the members of Congress and the American people and saying, ‘I want to work with you to see if there is a way that we can improve healthcare in America,’” he said. “The real spirit of bipartisanship that can result in Washington is showing more of a willingness to talk about reasonable compromise. It has to be somewhere in the middle.”

The president remarked on the strides the country has made in terms of job creation, bringing industry back to America and rebuilding the economy. He said job creation had boosted the middle class up from where they were when the country was in a recession.

“Middle-class economics works. Expanding opportunity works. And these policies will continue to work, as long as politics don’t get in the way,” he said.

In response, Mr. Zeldin said the president’s speech seemed to aspire to achieve aggravated class warfare by promoting more taxes from the rich and less taxes for others. He said America was still faced with growing debt and unsustainable deficits.

“The great irony in this is that the president, through tax policy to essentially redistribute wealth through legislation and regulation, doesn’t create more tools for that individual looking for a good-paying private sector job,” he said. “Part of the president’s pitch says someone can’t work full-time and support their kids by making $15,000 a year, which is true. Where I’m from on Long Island, someone could be making $40,000, $50,000 or $60,000 a year and they can’t afford to get by. Policies should be enacted to help the middle class and low-income Americans. You can’t take money and give it to somebody else. Americans are not looking for handouts—some are—but a lot of people want to earn success and we should want to celebrate that.”

He said the president’s plan to provide a free community college education was misguided because people aren’t complaining about the price of college but about the student loans they have to pay off. He said it is the cost of living, the cost of education and the cost to do business that should be discussed and what regulations and laws can be passed to allow people to operate with lower overhead.

When asked if he thought it was possible that both Democrats and Republicans could work together to find a compromise on these issues, Mr. Zeldin, despite his lack of confidence in the president, said he remains hopeful.

“As a result of November’s election, there are more willing partners on the other side of the aisle,” he said. “We’re not getting a message of obstruction right out of the gate. Nothing is wrong with the president saying that he wants to work with Republicans on our nation’s priorities. It seems to be the mentality in the White House that everything should revolve around their agenda entirely and the agenda of the Congress. It should be about all of Washington and understanding what people’s agenda is across America.”

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Typical rote Republican response. All criticism. No solutions. They don't have any independent ideas of their own. Another obstructionist.
By eagleeye (74), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 1:50 PM
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It's not "obstructionist" to disagree with the Almighty Barak, peace be upon Him. Obama, if left to His own devices would turn this great nation into a third world style banana republic, complete with a penny ante dictator.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 21, 15 2:19 PM
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... is this guy simply gonna' blast Obama for the next two years - is he ever gonna' say something positive - or is his disdain for Obama going to always be part of his every day rhetoric? You are a young guy Zel, don't be against everything - try to think positively. You'll get better results and be less painful to listen to.
By William Rodney (544), southampton on Jan 21, 15 2:54 PM
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One question for the Congressperson. Where is the movement for compromise by the Republicans on these issues?

"President Obama said he would veto any attempt by Republicans to repeal the Affordable Care Act, or “put the security of families at risk by taking away their health insurance, or unraveling the new rules on Wall Street, or re-fighting past battles on immigration when we’ve got a system to fix.”

Mr. Zeldin said his “threats” to veto legislation ...more
By NTiger (543), Southampton on Jan 21, 15 3:42 PM
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"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." - Mitch McConnell, Senate Majority Leader

Not end the wars.
Not fix the economy.
Not feed the hungry.
Not secure the borders.
Not feed the children.
Not...

By VOS (1195), WHB on Jan 21, 15 5:53 PM
Right. If Obama did "backflips" (his word), McConnell would consider a compromise. It's not that he wanted to edit the President's programs, he wanted to erase them.
Jan 22, 15 9:46 PM appended by VOS
Please select just ONE topic from above that was addressed with legislation by the complainers that was stonewalled or vetoed by the president.
By VOS (1195), WHB on Jan 22, 15 9:46 PM
what exactly would compromise look like? would that be 50/50. are there areas where there cannot be compromise. how much ideation does obama accept that would actually be considered a compromise. should republicans compromise more. it seems like most comments are just reactions to the other side. there is such a lack of hearing the Other side. i hope zeldin has success. are we all better off if things were all right or all left. i look at these comments and see such a lack of respect ...more
By bob surfer (8), Hampton Bays on Jan 21, 15 6:12 PM
"Obama aspires to achieve aggravated class warfare "(Newday interview after SOTU with Lee Zeldin.) Increasing taxes on the very rich and giving the middle class-you faithful Zeldenites-a break is hardly class warfare. This guy is more of an idiot than I originally thought.
By wmdwjr (76), east hampton on Jan 21, 15 6:24 PM
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Lee Zeldin has two years to prove he's not one of the nattering nabobs of negativism, in the words of Republican Vice President Spiro Agnew. He has two years to prove he's more than the willing tool of the Tea Party that he seemed to be throughout the 2014 campaign. He has two years to prove that he's capable of something practical and constructive, something more than the chronic small-minded criticism that he's been spewing nonstop.

If Lee Zeldin doesn't pull this off, if he doesn't ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1943), Quiogue on Jan 21, 15 8:02 PM
Phil, he answered you. You changed your question by asking him to be more specific. Maybe you should have been more specific in your initial question. Now waiting for your answer to his question. You can be bland too but give us five examples.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 15 6:47 PM
Sure he did. Just because you didn't like the answer doesn't mean he didn't answer your question. Ask him to be more specific. Stop trying to shift the argument.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 15 7:00 PM
Truly Phil, your "I'm rubber , you're glue" infantile response aside, Where are your five? You admitted that he gave general responses, so give yours.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 25, 15 2:42 PM
Fans of Mr. Zeldin,

I challenge you to come up with viable alternatives to the Obama policies you disparage because he's an African American Democrat. I'm sure I'll be waiting a long, long time for any substantive suggestions.

I'm waiting...
By Arnold Timer (321), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 8:45 PM
These responses are downright comical. Obama claiming compromise even more so. It did take 20 posts for someone to play the race card, so we are making progress. The SOTU is like crack for Liberals. They just can't get enough and don't realize it's killing them.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 21, 15 9:08 PM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 21, 15 9:17 PM
Arnold, the race card?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 21, 15 9:22 PM
Absolutely. I believe many people are legitimately opposed to Obama's ideology with no bias as to his self identification as an African American. I believe there are at least as many others who are VERY uncomfortable and unable to accept a black man as their president.
By Arnold Timer (321), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 9:40 PM
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Sometimes it reminds me of "Blazing Saddles".
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 21, 15 10:19 PM
Phil, what nerve did he hit? It is a somewhat simple mind that blames racism everytime someone criticizes the POTUS, regardless of how many times that is. Sure, we have racists in our midst. We always will, but to pull the race card everytime we are are critical is just lazy. Maybe we are just critical of his policy, not his skin color. Comparing it to Blazing Saddles is silly.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 15 9:47 PM
Uh yeah, still waiting. See what I did there?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 15 2:52 PM
Philly et al, Bill Clinton changed course term two. Why? The country wanted him to. He was able to cut deals. Dems got their butts kicked a few months ago. Will Obama go the Clinton route? Nope. He's digging in. Too arrogant, too ideological, too tone deaf, and 2 years more is too long.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 21, 15 9:16 PM
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One of the "deals" Clinton cut was the GLBA.

How'd that work out for us?
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 21, 15 10:42 PM
I hear.................[crickets]
By Arnold Timer (321), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 9:20 PM
The reason you hear crickets is because no one is going to respond to race baiting.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 21, 15 9:25 PM
Obama has done more long term damage - 92,000,000 citizens now on Food Stamps, instituted socialized medicine, increased deficit by $9 trillion - to our country then one can comprehend. No way to dispute the facts. He does not like the United States and is doing everything in his power to destroy it.
By BillWillConn3 (177), Southampton on Jan 21, 15 10:07 PM
So, thirty years of crap policy had nothing to do with it?

Blaming the guy who didn't plant the nuke or detonate it is pretty stupid.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 21, 15 10:16 PM
Baloney! Site your sources. Fox News doesn't count.
By Arnold Timer (321), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 10:20 PM
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I am not race baiting. Please explain the mistake in my logic.

For the last 22 years we have had a Democrat in the White house for 14 of those years. During the 8 years G.W. Bush was President, we were attacked, we started a war on false pretenses, our economic surplus became a record deficit, our economy collapsed, and the world lost their respect for us. Things have improved dramatically in the last 6 years. Obama has mostly fixed the issues I mention above. You cannot give any credit ...more
By Arnold Timer (321), Sag Harbor on Jan 21, 15 10:14 PM
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I was surprised he didn't mention the over 90,000,000 Americans who are not working.

Or the 40,000,000 plus on welfare.

Or, when he mentioned a "woman's right to choose", that he didn't mention the 13,000,000 black babies that were aborted before birth.

He didn't mention the 7,000 or so of his "brothers" that are murdered each year in America, by his "brothers".

He didn't mention the horrible state of education for black males, only 52% of them graduate. He didn't ...more
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Jan 22, 15 10:37 AM
I suppose that every congressman feels constrained to produce a response to the State of the Union address. In fact, Zeldin could have left it to the Republican Party Central Committee. "Cooperation" to him, and to his ideological siblings, means surrender to the solipsistic Republican program that enables avarice at the expense of the commonweal.

Conversely, rational Americans give thanks to god that his colleagues were excluded from power for the past six years. Our economic recovery ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Jan 21, 15 10:19 PM
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"I suppose that every congressman feels constrained to produce a response to the State of the Union address." You mean like Bob Menendez? the ranking DEMocratic member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who said yesterday "the more I hear from this administration, the more it sounds like talking points that come straight out of Tehran. And it feeds to the Iranian narrative of victimization.”
By loading... (556), quiogue on Jan 21, 15 10:44 PM
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Zeldin is a self serving individual who aspires to enhance Hus own self standing. His views do not reflect the vast majority in the Hamptons as the 20,000 extra votes came from up island. His Fox news standard disdain for anything that was proposed by Democrats is proof if his lockstep mentality of failed and old thinking permeating the Republican party. The President has proposed many jobs programs that republicans have blocked including infrastructure! Democrats are the progressive forward thinking ...more
By PBXER (3), Watermill on Jan 22, 15 5:30 AM
The "1%" will own most of world's wealth by 2016

By Aimee Picchi, MoneyWatch
January 19, 2015, 1:54 PM


Economic inequality is set to reach a worrying tipping point next year, when the richest 1 percent will control more than half of the world's wealth.

That's the prediction from the charity Oxfam, which will deliver its report on the world's growing wealth gap at the annual World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, which kicks off on Wednesday. The report tracks ...more
Jan 22, 15 5:54 AM appended by Mr. Z
Trickle-down economics is a failed economic theory that's been tried by different administrations and hasn't shown to produce what it's supposed to." ~ Nick Galasso, Research and Policy Advisor for Oxfam
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 22, 15 5:54 AM
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PBX how about you stop complaining and get off the sofa and work harder.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 31, 15 5:43 PM
<--------- "If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep Your Plan"
By They call me (2690), southampton on Jan 22, 15 10:31 AM
What exactly did the President outline that was not part of the American agenda?
Child care? Equal pay for equal work? Infrastructure upgrade? Tax breaks for the middle class? Educational opportunity for all? Let's hear some details Mr. Zeldin not just regurgitated Republican talking points from the Koch Brothers.
By rbatten (1), Hampton Bays on Jan 22, 15 4:10 PM
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more sour grapes from the give me free stuff crowd
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jan 22, 15 5:10 PM
@ Widow:

"Every GOP administration since 1952 has let the Military-Industrial Complex loot the Treasury and plunge the nation into debt on the excuse of a wartime economic emergency. Richard Nixon comes quickly to mind, along with Ronald Reagan and his ridiculous 'trickle-down' theory of U.S. economic policy. If the Rich get Richer, the theory goes, before long their pots will overflow and somehow 'trickle down' to the poor, who would rather eat scraps off the Bush family plates than eat ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 22, 15 11:45 PM
The president proposed a plan for the benefit of ALL Americans. The solipsistic Republicans, concerned only with keeping everything that THEY have, reject it. (Actually, 99% of the Right-Wing only IDENTIFIES with the beneficiaries of Republican largesse. In reality, they are pitiful pawns who haven't noticed that they are expendable and will pay MORE under the Republican exegisis.)

This will be the course for the next two years. The Republican-dominated congress will punt up awful proposals ...more
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Jan 22, 15 5:38 PM
highhat: you haven't done very well with your predictions (remember Tim)--who do you like in the Super Bowl?
By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Jan 22, 15 8:46 PM
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to nazznazz:

I predict that the Budweiser Cyldesdale commercial will be the best part of the show.
By highhatsize (4028), East Quogue on Jan 24, 15 8:24 AM
Anonymous Takes Down ISIS Websites, Confirms Leaked Government Documents Were Real
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 22, 15 11:47 PM
Zeldin trounces Bishop, Republicans increase majority in the House and take control of the Senate. Obama refuses to acknowledge new paradigm during SOTU. Usual suspects here drink the Barry Soetoro Kool Aid and resort to their usual rants. Anti- Republican, anti Capitalism and anti success are all on full display in the recent posts by our resident leftists. YAAAAAAAWN!
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 23, 15 8:31 AM
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The only Kool-Aid is your incessant love affair with the repeatedly failed hypothesis which is "trickle down" economics.

How's Kansas these days?

LOL.
Jan 23, 15 9:17 AM appended by Mr. Z
"...trickle-down economics has been proven to be a scam to anyone who can look beyond partisan blinders and apply a little critical reasoning. If more money in the hands of the wealthiest of Americans means more money and jobs in the hands of the rest of us, why hasn’t it happened? The answer is that trickle-down economics is a scam sold to working Americans and maybe, just maybe, more and more voters will begin to realize this. ~ Whiskey and the Morning After
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 23, 15 9:17 AM
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So instead of trickle down economics are you supporting Barry's idea of taxing the rich and re distributing their wealth to the less productive Mr. Z? If not, what are your ideas o the subject? Have you ever that instead of spending more than we have, reduce both taxes and spending??!! Did you even notice the sequestration ? The government is bloated and inefficient and is in need of reduction.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 23, 15 12:30 PM
The whole "tax the rich" war cry is as idiotic now, as it was thirty years ago. It reminds me of Steinbeck. People think they're "temporarily embarrassed" instead of being exploited.

The main problem in this country is treating anyone like they're darn near, or worthless.

Apply those brain cells of yours while you're on vacation this year and learn some economic history. Maybe you'll figure out for yourself what works, and what fails...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 23, 15 4:13 PM
that is simply not true the economy grew more during the Reagan years than it did in all the years we had a presidents before him. Seems to me you are just of a socialist mentality and want to punish successl and redistribute money not a very good incentive to want to wake up and hustle everyday, is it? Why should we work so hard if you're just going to take more as we make more? it would Just be easier to become part of the problem and sit on our rear end everyday. Your way is the way that has ...more
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jan 23, 15 10:31 AM
The economy didn't grow the way you think.

Actually, it was mostly the fact that the Fed printed over a trillion dollars in eight years. Fake as paiste...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 23, 15 4:16 PM
so would you be open to Rand Paul Mr Z
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Jan 23, 15 6:00 PM
crickets as expected
By Undocumented Democrat (1933), southampton on Jan 23, 15 11:04 PM
Frankly, I don't live on this site but I pop in while I'm working other forums.

Rand Paul's father was someone I'm open to. Frankly, the apple has fallen rather far from the tree...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 23, 15 11:08 PM
The only agreement he receives from me is about the Fed, and jus sanguinis as far as immigration. Beyond that, his views are antiquated and based on his belief in mythology.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 25, 15 9:31 AM
Z is more of a Bernie sanders Diane Feinstein type of guy
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 25, 15 8:46 PM
I respect the former as an Independent, and the latter holds the record for receiving the most popular votes in electoral history.

Maybe you need to talk a little less ****, and do a little more learnin'...
Jan 26, 15 12:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sanders was reelected in 2012 with 71% of the vote
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 26, 15 12:55 PM
I wasn't joking. Bernie sanders is a self described democratic socialist. Far more in line with Z's ideology than Ron Paul who is a libertarian favoring small Goverment and balancing the budget. The two men are almost polar opposites
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 26, 15 5:22 PM
71%. So what? Ron Paul won over 80% of the vote in 2010
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 27, 15 6:26 AM
And the stunning intellect rears itself.

In case you don't understand the meaning of "former and latter", learn it for yourself. Additionally Ron Paul is not the subject here, his son is.

If you're not smart enough to use the word "socialism" properly, then you're probably not smart enough to know "conservative" policies in the last thirty years have driven this country into the ditch.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 7:36 AM
“I was astonished, bewildered. This was America, a country where, whatever its faults, people could speak, write, assemble, demonstrate without fear. It was in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. We were a democracy...

But I knew it wasn't a dream; there was a painful lump on the side of my head...

The state and its police were not neutral referees in a society of contending interests. They were on the side of the rich and powerful. Free speech? Try it and the police will ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 8:19 AM
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Speaking of "free stuff", I have some old Zeldin campaign signs in my garage, if anybody wants them .
By wmdwjr (76), east hampton on Jan 23, 15 3:05 PM
Thought you may like to read up on more "free stuff" from the Fed discount window.

11,694.8 Billions of Dollars
Weekly, Ending Monday, Seasonally Adjusted, M2
Updated: 2015-01-22 4:12 PM CST
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 23, 15 4:19 PM
WEEKEND: 'SNIPER' CONTINUES BOXOFFICE RAMPAGE...
By 27dan (2703), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 24, 15 6:22 PM
Hmmmmm...


Do you agree with Governor Jesse Ventura that “American Sniper” Chris Kyle has no honor?

by Maruza Ferous
Thursday, January 29, 2015


Former Governor of Minnesota, professional wrestler, and Navy Seal, Jesse Ventura has spoken out regarding the $1.8 million award he received from the estate of fellow Navy SEAL, and subject of the movie American Sniper, Chris Kyle for defamation after Kyle stated that he punched Ventura out in a bar for ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 8:51 AM
Not even if the evidence shows he's a pathological liar?

The lie about the carjacking and Pentagon cover up? The lie about snuffing people outside the SuperDome? The lie about finding WMDs in barrels made by the French and Germans? The lie that he was spit on by a protester who screamed "baby killer"? And of course the lie about knocking out Jesse Ventura in a bar?

What if he really was just a lying psychopath?
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 11:47 PM
Books are not "BS talk". His fabrications are in print, and have been disproven in a court of law. He even falsified information about how much of the proceeds from his book went to charities.

This has nothing to do with "liberals" or "liberals who despise the military". I don't see any Oscar nods from here...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 12:36 AM
I was an American sniper, and Chris Kyle’s war was not my war

Don’t make the mistake of thinking the hit movie captures the truth of the Iraq conflict. I should know. I lived it

By Garett Reppenhagen


I spent nights in Iraq lying prone and looking through a 12-power sniper scope. You only see a limited view between the reticles. That’s why it’s necessary to keep both eyes open. This way you have some ability to track targets and establish 360 ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 4:03 PM
the movie depicted an accurate portrayal of animals
By 27dan (2703), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 25, 15 12:20 AM
War is not a fun game, Philly. The idea is to kill more bad guys while you keep yourself and fellow soldiers alive. Chris Kyle did his job and he did it well. If I had to go into combat, I'd want a Chris Kyle supporting me. Everything else is just Liberal blabbering, and consider yourself lucky that Chris fought on your behalf so you can continue the blabbering.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 29, 15 5:29 PM
War Is A Racket
By Major General Smedley Butler


WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 7:46 AM
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War is a racket? Maybe sometimes. Sometimes not so much. IMO ISIS is an evil worth fighting, and hopefully exterminating. That's another debate. When dealing with religious psychos that are cutting people's heads off, I think it's a worthwhile endeavor to kill as many of them as possible. If that means we use Chris Kyles on rooftops then so be it.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 30, 15 2:23 PM
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WALKER WOWS CROWD IN IOWA...

DES MOINES, Iowa — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) delivered a fiery speech in Iowa on Saturday, wowing the conservative crowd with a passionate argument for small government
By 27dan (2703), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 25, 15 12:23 AM
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Google image search: Distribution of Average Income Growth During Expansions


"Trickle Down"?

More like Horse**** economics. Three attempts in American history, three colossal failures.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 5:13 PM
Yes, it is.

Because trickle down works so well, and it does work as it's designed to. It's just designed to work in the opposite of what the public at large has been fed.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 11:21 PM
Z - Obama's attempts at Robin Hood economics won't work either. I agree that the concentration of wealth is frightening, unfair, unsustainable, and downright unhealthy for the country. However, the Dems haven't found a solution, and in many ways they are guaranteeing and subsidizing poverty. At the same time they are adding stress to already stressed small businesses and the middle class. I've said it a million times, intention does not trump result. Both sides, Dem and Repub, need new faces and ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 15 10:59 AM
Z (again)
pertaining to the graph, wouldn't a flat tax make things worse for the lower earners, assuming wages remain flat? And let's be honest, increased taxes on the wealthy will not lead to higher wages.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 15 11:21 AM
The system is very far out of balance, but it became so during the "Roaring Twenties" as well. Some subtle differences between then and now are that not only was the economy not permitted to fail, war brokered us into poverty instead of reviving the economy. Well, for the entire country at least. The racket has proved very profitable for entities like Halliburton and Blackwater but the public at large has suffered losses.

Under a progressive tax system and proper regulation of the financial ...more
Feb 1, 15 12:12 AM appended by Mr. Z
"incentivized deductions"
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 12:12 AM
Have you ever worked for a poor man Mr Z? Most folks here work in one way or another for the mega wealthy who choose to own a home in one of the most beautiful places on earth. Call trickle down bull**** economics, but trickle down is the engine that powers our local economy. If you had your way you would somehow make the rich less rich, more "equal" perhaps in your way of thinking, but the rest of us would be out of work. Hmmm , guess equality means reducing everyone to an equally miserable existence.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 30, 15 10:17 PM
Same old trite baseless talking points with zero merit. And what you think is "my way" is just a baseless and stupid comment to make. It doesn't work. PERIOD END OF LINE. You're just too stubborn and complacent with justifying status quo to accept it, possibly just too blatantly and willfully blind, or just plain ignorant of history.

When we had a progressive tax system, the "wealthy" still had their estates. When we had a progressive tax system, we still had an "elite". We've always ...more
Jan 30, 15 11:13 PM appended by Mr. Z
“I've always resented the smug statements of politicians, media commentators, corporate executives who talked of how, in America, if you worked hard you would become rich. The meaning of that was if you were poor it was because you hadn't worked hard enough. I knew this was a lie, about my father and millions of others, men and women who worked harder than anyone, harder than financiers and politicians, harder than anybody if you accept that when you work at an unpleasant job that makes it very hard work indeed.” ~ Howard Zinn, You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train: A Personal History of Our Times
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 11:13 PM
Same old trite baseless talking points with zero merit. And what you think is "my way" is just a baseless and stupid comment to make. It doesn't work. PERIOD END OF LINE. You're just too stubborn and complacent with justifying status quo to accept it, possibly just too blatantly and willfully blind, or just plain ignorant of history.

When we had a progressive tax system, the "wealthy" still had their estates. When we had a progressive tax system, we still had an "elite". We've always ...more
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 30, 15 11:13 PM
I disagree, may the rich get richer! If anyone is not satisfied with their economic situation, there is nothing standing in the way of improving it except HARD WORK and SACRIFICE. PERIOD END OF LINE
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 31, 15 1:30 PM
Maybe your idea of betterment is boundless material wealth. Such is simply and fully from a psychological standpoint primitive and shortsighted. Such primitive behavior can be likened to a chimpanzee with a cache of fruit at the top of a tree tossing rinds down at the rest of the group.

Your hypothesis is fundamentally flawed, as our "society" is shining proof that whatever "reward" is earned is seemingly never enough for some. They always seem to need more, and avarice is a psychological ...more
Jan 31, 15 3:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
You know what the most comical thing is about people like yourself? They don't realize that motivation comes in many forms, and the world you live in would not exist if one man's motivation was material wealth. His name was Tesla, and his motivation was not material wealth, excess and avarice. His motivation was betterment of the self and creating a better world. The way espoused by yourself is beyond a pathetic or primitive means...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 31, 15 3:59 PM
Z It shocks me that you are not married
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jan 31, 15 7:32 PM
Tesla was a genius. Burned by Edison, bankrupted by JP Morgan. Ultimately destroyed by those who didn't understand the idea of doing things for the betterment of society. Today he'd be the wealthiest man alive, assuming he'd surround himself with the right people. This is way off point, but I wish Tesla would be recognized for all of the marvelous things he contributed. A truly amazing man.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jan 31, 15 7:52 PM
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Sorry, not the marrying kind if you know what asexual means. Some say it's an orientation, some aren't sure yet. Anyway...

Without Tesla's four basic patents, there would be no communications as we know them today. History would have been quite different. All the modern technology, power grids, and their evolution is completely based on his work even Marconi's radio.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 31, 15 11:59 PM
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Mr Z my livelihood depends on the mega wealthy and their willingness to part with some of that wealth in order to beautiful their homes. It's common sense to hope that they continue to be financially successful. I'm not looking to get rich, just to be able to live a comfortable, financially secure life. Certainly you can't fault that?!
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Jan 31, 15 9:49 PM
No, your livelihood depends on paying clientele just like everyone else.

And no, I don't fault basic comfort and security. I don't fault taking only that which you need to survive. Such methods are respectable endeavors. I however do fault a society which does not allow such for those who work plenty of overtime and still can't have it. I fault a society which allows for such "mega-wealth" to be had at the expense of society at large. The lavish lifestyle you claim to depend on is ...more
Feb 1, 15 11:37 PM appended by Mr. Z
And for reference, I have worked for a "poor man". The owner of the first shop I worked for while earning my post secondary education lived in a trailer park and didn't even own the land.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Jan 31, 15 11:37 PM
Wow. Just when I thought the comments couldn't get any stupider above and below.

Thread is closed.

Buh-bye.
Feb 1, 15 3:04 PM appended by Mr. Z
"There is no shame in the Republican game." ~ Bill Maher
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 3:04 PM
No, I don't. Nor do I have a mechanic, an HVAC man, an electrician, or an IT repairman...
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 8:26 PM
Well, you got the first part right.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 9:35 PM
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I dispute your claim that "mega wealth " is had at the expense of others! .These folks EMPLOY people, lots or people, how many folks work for the Fortune 500 companies??!! You are still spouting the same old class envy bravo sierra. Working "plenty of overtime " will lead to better things, one of which could be the desire to get a job that will allow some upward mobility, if that's the desired result of working hard, some are content to be employees , others are motivated to be business owners, ...more
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 1, 15 1:48 PM
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It is at the expense of others. At the expense of the former "middle class". The evidence is stacked up to prove it, but you're just too stubborn, vapid, stuck in what you believe, and defensive of your status quo to admit you're wrong much like the Grand 'Ole Party of fatuous, quid pro quo servants.




GOP Trickle Down Has 70% of Americans Near Financial Calamity
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By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 8:23 PM
Three attempts: Horse and Sparrow. Mellonomics. Reaganomics.

FAIL 3x.

Piketty and Saez call bull**** on you cappy.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 1, 15 9:33 PM
OK Mr Z, in the past when questioned as to what you would do to solve the "problem" all you came up with was raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations. For discussion's sake your wish has been granted, taxes are back to confiscatory rates. What will you do with the increased revenue?
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 1, 15 9:39 PM
The same thing the "Greatest Generation" did.

Fund infrastructure, education, job training, and maybe even once we're done repairing the wreck our infrastructure has become, build a more advanced more carbon neutral one.

And, calling them "confiscatory" tends to reveal bias or deep set resentment/anger issues. I'd try to structure any posts more diplomatically if we really are to take you seriously.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 2, 15 12:38 AM
In other words redistribute the confiscated funds via governmental programs to give work to unions (democrat donors), more money to education ( teachers' unions ,another big time democrat vote machine) job training , if not union jobs , is a positive, carbon neutral? On board with Al Gore's insanity? , Sorry I can not go along with this idea.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 2, 15 1:05 AM
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By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 2, 15 5:34 AM
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97% of scientists most likely are not.

And, the Patriots have no honor. From SpyGate, to DeflateGate (Vinatieri's missed FG two weeks ago is rather suspect) and not sending Edelman to the locker room per league policy for a concussion check was another disregard for the rules on their part. They have tainted the game, and their conduct will always be suspect.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 2, 15 10:10 AM
Nice, real nice, personal insults are the last refuge for the ignorant. To your point- instead of taxing the daylights of us, how about this idea, cut government spending to the bone and let us keep more of our income? More disposable income equals more purchasing power and more goods and services sold, that would provide more jobs, keep the feds out of the equation except for defending our country.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 2, 15 11:42 AM
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Personal insult is not the issue here, but statement of fact is. Anthropogenic based climate change is real. We can tell which carbon is geologically based or anthropogenic. Playing the victim is ignorant.

Stop snorting the Koch.
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 3, 15 12:00 PM
Gridlock is good. Now we a clear direction in oil prices, and the Fed to keep the liquidity pumping so the rich can keep getting richer and employing more people.
By smacw (239), New York on Feb 2, 15 9:27 PM
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By nazznazz (276), east hampton on Feb 2, 15 11:19 PM
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And why is it wrong for us to keep more of our income instead of sending it to DC Phil? Do you think the govt knows how to spend it better than we do? If so you are truly a lost cause Komrade.
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 3, 15 11:03 AM
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Daily Derp: Vermont’s New State Motto Is In Latin – Conservatives Bash Latinos
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By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 3, 15 1:03 PM
Nothing but red ink Phil? Classic!!
By bigfresh (4364), north sea on Feb 3, 15 8:52 PM
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Note to the NYS Assembly:

Colorado May Have To Refund As Much As $30 Million In Pot Taxes
By Mr. Z (11364), North Sea on Feb 4, 15 5:34 PM
MSNBC SUFFERS LOWEST RATINGS IN A DECADE !

MSNBC registered its lowest full-day rating in nearly a decade on Tuesday, a devastatingly low benchmark that shows just how severe the decline has become.

The liberal cable news network drew an average of 55,000 viewers in the all-important 25-to-54 year-old demo on Tues, its lowest full-day rating since July 2005, CNN had nearly three times as many viewers in the demo; Fox News nearly five times as many.
By They call me (2690), southampton on Feb 4, 15 8:12 PM