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Feb 11, 2015 5:05 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Zeldin Wants More Details Before Supporting President's Call For Military Action

Feb 17, 2015 3:09 PM

Amid escalating displays of shocking violence throughout the Middle East, President Barack Obama has asked Congress to authorize military force for three years against the group that calls itself the Islamic State, saying that it is responsible for the deaths of several U.S. citizens and has conducted terrorist attacks internationally.

While politicians are largely on board with taking action, many want to see a detailed plan first—including U.S. Representative Lee Zeldin, who said he would support the measure if it included an effective strategy.

In his letter to Congress, the president said the resolution would not authorize long-term, large-scale ground combat, like in Iraq and Afghanistan, but would take advantage of the “flexibility to conduct ground combat operations in other, more limited circumstances.” That would include rescue operations, intelligence collection and the use of special operations forces in military action against the group or anyone associated.

In summation, if Congress authorizes the president’s request, it would be authorizing a campaign of airstrikes against the militants, the use of counterterrorism capabilities to prevent attacks, humanitarian assistance to civilians displaced by violence, and an increase of 475 troops to support forces fighting on the ground.

The president said the additional forces would have only a mission to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces with training, intelligence and equipment, as well as to support Iraq’s efforts to set up National Guard units to help Sunni communities remain safe. Additionally, troops would train and equip the Syrian opposition fighting against the terrorist group.

“If left unchecked, ISIL will pose a threat beyond the Middle East, including the United States homeland,” Mr. Obama said, using the administration’s preferred name for the Islamic militant group fighting in Iraq and Syria.

Last week, Mr. Zeldin issued a statement saying that he would support the authorization for use of force as long as the strategy is effective and precise. He said, however, there has not yet been a detailed strategy released and the joint resolution before Congress is “almost completely barren” of strategy.

“We need to know who is in charge,” he said. “What I would be willing to support would be a senior leader in charge, wanting to utilize some of our special operations forces to conduct well-planned and well-executed surgical missions that can take out high-value targets and capture critical intelligence.”

He added that there should be an open line of coordination with allies in sharing actionable intelligence, and a plan to identify various funding streams that have made the terror group “by far the best-financed terrorist network ever seen,” and disrupt that flow of money.

Mr. Zeldin also wants answers to what limitations the president would plan on implementing, and which nations would partner with the U.S., and their roles.

On February 12, Mr. Zeldin attended and spoke at the Congress’s first hearing on the authorization, where he said “it is time for us to defeat ISIS,” using a third name commonly used to identify the Islamic State.

“I want members of ISIS to sleep with one eye open because they fear an army ranger visiting their house or their fellow terrorist’s house and putting a round of lead between their eyes,” he said. “We have to cut off their logistics, commanding control, source of funding streams, and increase intelligence gathering. If we wait five years, what we’re up against will be 100 times greater than what it is now. But I also want us to do our due diligence.”

He said this week that he isn’t sure the White House has a strategy to win yet since the plans have been vague thus far.

“I believe they have a strategy to degrade ISIS, but they haven’t quite figured out how to defeat them,” he said. “ISIS is showing potential to aspire beyond anyone’s broadest guess as to what their end game is.”

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Seems he has a clear strategy for dissolving our country
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 12, 15 9:46 AM
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DESTROYING IT !
By carsrus (65), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 15 11:50 AM
April1 said,

Common core aka federal run Ed is an absolute disaster. The community needs to be made more aware of what's being taught in this district, being snuck into CC curriculum through ELA. The dark and depressing stories our elementary aged children need to endure featuring Islam, never stories on Christians or Jews. 4th graders had to devote the first 1/3 of the school year to poetry. A 3rd of the year! These poor kids are bored out of their minds. This district is sucking the love ...more
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 12, 15 1:15 PM
Mm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said that all must lend a hand
To make this country strong again
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama

He said we must be fair today
Equal work means equal pay
Mmm, mmm, mm!
Barack Hussein Obama
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Feb 12, 15 2:25 PM
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Seems like this is something the Republicans should be jumping on. Of course because it is Obama asking they can't come out and just support it. To me, If Jordan and the UAB want to take on this fight they should have a direct line to the the DD supply house with our backing them in every way they ask; S&R, AWACs, intelligence, drones, etc, etc, etc. There is no excuse for congress politicizing this for a month. Should be settled in one day.
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 9:54 AM
Funny, I seem to recall a lot of people complaining of the rush to war in Iraq (after they voted for it) and now that some folks have learned that lesson they are criticized for it. Well what do you want:
A. A Congress that takes its time, reviews the President's request in a timely and thoughtful manner.
or
B. A Congress that blindly supports the President's actions with out a glint of intellectual curiosity.

I don't care of you have a big D or a big R next t your name, I ...more
By Preliator Lives (431), Obamavillie on Feb 12, 15 11:44 AM
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The difference is that the Iraq war was based on intellectually dishonest policy of preemptive war and signed off on by a bunch of yahoo or yellow politicians who didn't even read what they were voting for while the current situation is an actual ongoing fight with a group that actually has killed Americans and swears to kill more. Additionally there are countries in the area willing to go in and do the fighting and we should be backing them in reality and not just sound bites. If the language in ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 2:17 PM
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By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 12, 15 9:56 AM
and your point is.....
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 10:10 AM
his point would seem to be, if ratings tell us anything

people are done with the progressive line of crap and want the truth

now go and get a job, and if your still not happy get two.

because the free lunch counter is closing !
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 12, 15 1:11 PM
All of which has nothing to do with the article above. Also note that none of the shows listed above is actually a news program, just talking heads. And I have a job. A pretty good one that at the end of the day, allows me to take home 60% of what I earned after government deductions.
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 1:52 PM
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really a whole 60% imagine that
By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Feb 12, 15 2:19 PM
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yeah, sad isn't it that the the government needs that much of my income to still run at a deficit....
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 2:26 PM
If I understand those numbers correctly...it shows that only 5.98% of Americans watch these cable news shows.
By TheGoodLife (43), Westhampton Beach on Feb 12, 15 3:58 PM
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First Time Ever: Federal Tax Revenues Top $1 Trillion Thru January; Gov't Still Runs $194B Deficit
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 13, 15 11:11 AM
obama always has to have timelines! He stated this would be for 3 years, SO the RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS know exactly how he's NOT going toDEFEAT them, but try to contain them until we have a new President. Dithering and(leading), if one can ever call anything he does, (leading from behind: ABJECT FAILURE!
By carsrus (65), Hampton Bays on Feb 12, 15 11:54 AM
By employing a timeline and limiting our ability to put boots on the ground, He has tied the hands of our military in the fight to ELIMINATE ISIS. Another example of the man child not being fit for the job of POTUS! We should unleash the might of our military both in the air and on the ground and take out these animals, no mercy, no quarter, no prisoners, complete and utter annihilation! If we're not in it to win, we lose, and that's a loss we cannot afford. Grow a pair Barry!
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 12, 15 12:17 PM
Obama prefers to term “ISIL” over “ISIS” to describe the terrorist network that he is currently asking for authorization to be at war with .

Calling this group “ISIL,” or the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant, avoids the direct reference to Syria in “ISIS.” The obama administration had mostly tried to keep the idea of fighting the group in Syria off the table, they wanted to keep that specific reminder out of the group’s name. The ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 12, 15 1:40 PM
They do not care about looking foolish, To them the ends justifiy the means!

Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant?

Do you know why he says that? He’s trying to protect the Muslim faith.

Randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris?

Do you know why he says that? He’s trying to protect the Muslim faith.

Do you know why he trashes Christians at the National Prayer Breakfast? He’s trying to protect the Muslim faith.

Do you ...more
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 12, 15 2:13 PM
A quick reminder that it is people of the Muslim faith that are currently engaging ISIS (or ISIL) and doing all the damage while our politicians do nothing but talk.
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 2:21 PM
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Good. If you feel that way and so passionately so, then we should expect you at the recruiter's office, eh?

By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 12, 15 10:17 PM
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The enlistable years for this tired old body were over 35 years ago. You may also note that nowhere did I suggest putting American (or Israeli) troops into the fight. That would just be a recruitment tool for ISIL(ISIS). What I did say is that if Muslim counries in the area want to take on the enemy then we should back them with all we can offer. And if by some chance American troops end up on the ground and someone decides this old body is needed, I would proudly stand beside our troops and support ...more
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 13, 15 1:43 PM
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... nice sermon, Dan. After each sentence I found myself shouting, "Amen"!
By William Rodney (558), southampton on Feb 12, 15 2:39 PM
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When's the next Two Minutes Hate?
By TheGoodLife (43), Westhampton Beach on Feb 12, 15 3:47 PM
dan said

"I’m not surmising, I’m not implying. I’m listening to him. I’m watching him. He’s telling us this."

TheGoodLife didn't get it
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 13, 15 6:19 PM
Zelden is not Blind but stupid, Anything our finest President Obama has done, proposed and accomplished has been rejected and glossed over as not in Americas best interest. And to the racist comments posted. He won two terms by popular votes of all Americans of all colors and religions. And the Hampton Bays posters, WE Know about your Views already.
By 1percent (52), Quogue on Feb 12, 15 7:58 PM
“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,”

Barack Obama's remarks on ISIS, January 2014
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Feb 12, 15 9:13 PM
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"YOLO, Man"

Obamacare was supposed to solve our health care problems. If this is what he has to do in order to convince people, we have already lost our collective minds. It shows what he thinks of the intelligence level of the public.

Its like the time he gave the Queen an IPod with his speeches as a present, Don't they have anybody in the WH who could tell him how to behave?

Hopefully, one day soon. respect and dignity will be returned to the oval office.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 13, 15 5:25 PM
"Don't they have anybody in the WH who could tell him how to behave?"

You mean the same people who came up with the pajama boy ad ?
Feb 13, 15 5:34 PM appended by Undocumented Democrat
These clowns are the gift that just keeps on giving, Its like watching the Benny Hill Show
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 13, 15 5:34 PM
funny, but.....


really is embarrassing to think this is the president of the United States of America
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 13, 15 5:39 PM
to 27dan, Undocumented Democrat, Erin 27 E and Captn America:

The ankle-biters chorus, in full squeaky voice and shrill harmony. Nothing seems to embarrass these puerile delinquents.

By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 14, 15 1:56 PM
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Oh darn Hat Head didn't include me when calling out the "delinquent" squad...
and Ive tried so hard to make the deans list ... please give me just one more chance.
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 14, 15 7:24 PM
Thanks for the definition sport, we did not understand the meaning of the word till you cleared it up for us dummy's clinging to our Bibles and Rifles.

Enjoy the weather Joe, stay put a wile longer its ugly up here.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 14, 15 7:50 PM
I don't think Joe cares, looks like he is having to much fun,

Besides its not like he is running for president.

If he was he could dance around taking selfies like a child and make mistakes like "Obama Calls Navy Corpsman a 'Corpse-man" and everyone would pretend It did not happen, lollllll

By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 14, 15 8:13 PM
Phil said obama is still no where near of the idiocy of President George W Bush.

If you say so
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 14, 15 11:22 PM
Frankly, it's downright scary.
By Obbservant (446), southampton on Feb 19, 15 2:58 AM
What I am noticing is a particular ... Dare l say fear, of Governor Scott Walker.

From the latest witch hunt from Howard "Raaaaaaaaa" Dean about not finishing collage, to Phil's avatar... it seems the Governors propensity to get the job done has them worried.

I for one would never be so naive to believe that Gov. Walker will have the resources to battle both the main stream media and Hillary's machine... Not to mention the collage professors and their zombie hoard of foot solders ...more
Feb 14, 15 1:38 PM appended by joe hampton
for 20 months... but It is nice to dream
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 14, 15 1:38 PM
Seems you are on to something as our little community organizer has just changed his avatar to try and counter the wave of support Governor Walker has been receiving.

No matter even doing his best the communist man child from parts unknown will come up short on his goal of destroying the country.

and I agree Joe after the last 6 years even Senator Clinton will be a welcome relief from obama
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 14, 15 7:56 PM
Walker showed a lot of discipline in not letting himself be baited by what this smarmy Brit perceived as a gotcha question. As Walker stated, the question is totally irrelevant for a President. It is only relevant to the ultra left media, who are disappointed Walker did not go for the bait. Scott Walker has already whooped Democrats in a liberal state in 3 elections.

I'm not sure if a person could be more ready.

Well done, Scott - don't take their bait.
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 15, 15 2:21 AM
Phil, your boy Barry has been the laughingstock among world leaders for 6 years, Walker
's interview showed poise, maturity and the ability to see a snake in the grass reporter trying to set him up! Walker's ability to crush the Government worker's union in the people's Republic of Wisconsin and get re-elected after doing so shows strong leadership and the ability to cross the aisle, all the while adhering to conservative fiscal policy. No wonder the Democrat smear machine is working overtime, ...more
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 15, 15 1:52 PM
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Allāhu Akbar , Here we go again...

TERROR IN COPENHAGEN...
Cafe Attacked During Free Speech Event...
Muhammad cartoonist targeted?
One dead, three wounded...
Suspect on loose...
Second Shooting at Copenhagen Synagogue... Developing...
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 14, 15 8:07 PM
how many ?

Where they yell Allāhu Akbar and shoot people over cartoons in defense of radical Islam?

a group that openly admits to

Wanting the " extermination of Israel and its people from the face of the earth"

a group that openly teaches

The subjugation of woman and the killing of gays and handicapped individuals ?

Not to many, whats your point
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 15, 15 2:31 AM
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"It, too, subjugates women and defends killing by the authorities."

Where, who and when? Please back this up.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:29 AM
"YOLO, Man"

By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 14, 15 11:24 PM
Fun fact of the day:

Andrew Jackson's parrot was kicked out of his funeral due to foul and profane language.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 15, 15 1:24 AM
to Undocumented Democrat:

As has been already pointed out, it was the Associated Press rather than the president who determined that ISIL was a more appropriate name than ISIS for the group in light of its geographic reach.

Moreover, for the sake of accuracy, "[t]he United Nations Security Council ... , Canada, Turkey, Australia, Russia, the United Kingdom[32][33][34][347][348][349][350] and other countries generally call the group 'ISIL' ... "*.

Only relentlessly biased ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 15, 15 8:29 AM
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Levin is their messiah in "Jesus Chris Pose" style.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 15, 15 12:44 PM
I.M.O

It is true one reason he is using I.S.I.L. without any explanation is because he enjoys being an arrogant spiteful wise@$$... also obama and his radical left fanboys like Phil and HHS are happy to use it to stay away from having to admit that this group came to power under his watch and whilst he said the red line BS and was indecisive... by saying wrongly Syria they would have to admit Barack Hussein Obama II jacked it up by doing his usual lead from behind,

But It seems ...more
Feb 15, 15 9:26 PM appended by joe hampton
after all he does speak language so accurately its scary...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 15, 15 9:26 PM
I meant to say after all he does speak their language so accurately its scary...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 15, 15 9:33 PM
Or maybe you're just paranoid.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 16, 15 2:12 AM
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Or maybe you're just naive

BIBI TELLS JEWS TO FLEE EUROPE
ISIS releases video of Egyptians slaughtered...
Christians beheaded...
Sisi warns of response...
Prisoners paraded in cages 'to be burned alive'...
Netanyahu Ad Shows ISIS Asking Directions -- to Jerusalem...
Yemen's last Jews eye exodus...

By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 16, 15 3:46 AM
Total and complete attempt at deflection with the use of completely unrelated information to the subject at hand, which is the President and who/what he allegedly is.

Maybe you're just brainwashed. BTW, how is the conservative economy in North Carolina, Kansas, and Mississippi doing these days?

LMAO...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 17, 15 11:31 AM
Sad to say, but this isn't our fight to win or lose. It's up to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey et al to eliminate these roaches, not us. Sure, we can assist with strategic air support and even military advisers, but in the end it's up to the people of the middle east to determine their fate. Jordan has already stepped up. Good for them.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 9:05 AM
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The President's inability to use the term "Islamic Terrorists" and claim that strategic attacks on Jews were "random" is downright alarming. He's either delusional, lying through his teeth, or blind. Other than his most devout lemmings, I think most people that are paying attention realize that there is something wrong with this guy. Note to everyone: don't choose Presidents based on cool and ideology, choose them based on ability, experience and leadership. Mr. Obama is a disaster.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 9:13 AM
See above re. devout lemmings.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 9:50 AM
I didn't find reasons to dislike this president... his actions and policies found me and I had a natural reaction.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 9:51 AM
But he's cool.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:06 AM
Phil, whenever you are ready to debate and make points based on evidence, results and actions, I'm sure you'll find a receptive audience willing to engage. See Hat's post below - He offered a challenge and backed it up. You offer nonsense and back it up with more nonsense.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:23 AM
You don't see the irony in your last post, do you?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:54 AM
I'll get you started, Philly.
Your post:
"the conservative movement here openly wants to eliminate opposition to its flawed ideology.
It, too, subjugates women and defends killing by the authorities."

I ask you to please back this up. Don't make stuff up, but actually back this up with who, how and when. This is your claim and I'm curious to see if there is any evidence supporting it. Can you do that?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:58 AM
Perfect.
9650 posts of propaganda and baseless accusations.
Golf clap, Philly. Golf clap.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 11:05 AM
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Your post:
"the conservative movement here openly wants to eliminate opposition to its flawed ideology.
It, too, subjugates women and defends killing by the authorities."

You posted it, Genius. Run away from your baseless nonsense, Philly.
As hollow as the day is cold.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 1:51 PM
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 15, 15 5:50 PM
Not answering posts anymore.
Get your therapy elsewhere.

Sounds like a plan !

C - YA Tell Progress now we said hello
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 15, 15 8:25 PM
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He has nothing to back up his claim. Sad, but people buy into this garbage and turn a blind eye to the reality of things. We'll see it again during the 2016 campaign and the puppets will spew it here too.
The war on women.
The war on the elderly.
The war on Latinos.
It's oh so tempting to beat those drums because so many respond to them.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 16, 15 7:18 AM
the real war is on the small business man and women
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 16, 15 11:22 AM
Amen.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 16, 15 11:51 AM
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to double standard:

Actually your statement is ONLY relevant as an example of the relentless ideological prejudice which dominates the extreme Right-Wing's perception of every presidential action. Here's what Politifact had to say about the president's comments on the Paris deli murders:

"In one interview, Obama described the attackers as "randomly" shooting people, but he seems to have been answering a question about how the public perceives acts of violence by terrorists. On ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 15, 15 9:53 AM
Don't try to take me to a disco
You'll never even get me out on the floor
In ten minutes I'll be late for the door
I like that old time rock 'n' roll

By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 15, 15 8:27 PM
ha risky business lol
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 16, 15 11:34 PM
If Part A is true then I stand corrected.
Part B example is weak and downright ridiculous. Equating a few anti-abortion nuts with Islamic Terrorists is a non-starter in this debate.
Leadership is recognizing things for what they are, defining them and then planning and executing a course of action. So, yeah, there is something wrong here. Returned fire with "right wing extremist" rolls right off as it offers nothing more than an out for Liberals. Actions and policies aren't trumped by calling ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:04 AM
And Hat, they ARE Islamic Extremists. You can say it.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 15, 15 10:10 AM
"YOLO, Man"
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 15, 15 12:59 PM
Fun fact of the day:

James Buchanan would purchase slaves, and set them free in Pennsylvania.
Feb 16, 15 2:17 AM appended by Mr. Z
Additionally, he is the only president known to have lived an "alternative lifestyle".
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 16, 15 2:17 AM
Acording to Barry Soetoros own admissions he lived in Indonesia as a Muslim so that would make him the second president known to have lived an "alternative lifestyle".


and according James Manning and Mia Marie Pope recently interviewed high school friends of Barack Obama that was not the only alterative lifestyle he has lived
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 16, 15 3:42 AM
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Sure.

And he took his Senate oath on the Koran, he refuses to recite to pledge of allegiance, and he's part of a secret Muslim plot to take over our government because he's the "Manchurian Candidate".



"You can't fix stupid."

~ Ron White
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 16, 15 2:40 PM
to double standard & Captn America:

“I” have no qualms about using the term “Islamic” terrorist but then “I” am not the president of the United States concerned with maintaining cooperative relations with the Islamic nations whose assistance is critical in our fight against ISIL. Prudent diplomacy mandates that he refrain from gratuitously affronting these essential allies by needlessly employing their religious belief as a descriptive of depraved behavior. ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 16, 15 4:51 AM
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The "I" in ISIS stands for Islamic, and they are extremist, barbaric terrorists.
So use any combination of the words, but it will still start with Islamic.
They cut people's off, our president plays word games.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 16, 15 7:08 AM
to double standard:

- - - And President Obama HAS used that title for the maniacal, homicidal degenerates terrorizing the Middle East, as have our Islamic allies with whom we are united to defeat them. That's quite a different matter from using the term to describe the murderous criminals of Paris and Copenhagen whose histories, as they emerge, speak more of dope smoking and of generic violence than of theology.

To reiterate, whatever President Obama may actually think about ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 16, 15 9:20 AM
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Right wing thinking? Again, if something doesn't fit into the Liberal box it must be labeled "right wing" and therefor radical. You couldn't be more wrong. Like Phil, you spew hyperbole, but can't support it.
It's not right wing or left wing or even chicken wing, it's common sense thinking and calling things what they are. I'm a center/right person who has been turned off by Liberalism because it embraces theory over result. I have no love for anyone who spends their time diluting reality with ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 16, 15 10:40 AM
The above in reply to highhatsize.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 16, 15 10:42 AM
Hey guys last night I think I saw the president hatched from a turtle egg
Feb 17, 15 11:05 AM appended by They call me
No wait, wait sorry High Hat , Phil says its just a lame duck egg. and Philly is an expert on the Ducks
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 17, 15 11:05 AM
HH , your touchy feely, let's not offend our 'allies' by calling ISIS ( Islamic State in Syria or Levant) theory is pitiful and exemplifies the feckless and weak position of Liberal America and Barak Hussein Obama. The refusal or inability to even identify our enemy for what it is does not bode well for us in the war to come. These animals are at war with us, do you really think that calling them Muslim terrorists will change that or stop moderate Mudlim nations like Jordan from fighting them? You ...more
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 16, 15 10:22 AM
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Truth be told, if you're not careful what you say people will start harming innocent Muslims and burning their places of worship.

Oh, wait...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 16, 15 2:43 PM
Public Approval of Health Care Law Gallup* For/Favor 41, Against/Oppose 52 Against/Oppose +11
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 16, 15 11:40 PM
Fun Fact:

Andrew Johnson was so intoxicated at his Vice Presidential inauguration he slurred his oath horribly, and was unable to swear in new Senators.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 17, 15 12:51 AM
Doesn't make him a bad guy...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 17, 15 2:32 AM
Zeldin was just on CNN a few minutes ago discussing this topic. FYI. he came across well I thought.
By Toma Noku (616), uptown on Feb 17, 15 10:16 AM
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Federal judge stalls Obama's executive action on immigration...
President's legal footing 'eviscerated'...
White House to appeal...
RULING...
Feb 17, 15 11:12 AM appended by They call me
AMNESTY SMACKDOWN 'WIN FOR RULE OF LAW'
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 17, 15 11:12 AM
This judges ruling is very explicit in all the areas that affect amnesty. Even the Fifth Circuit will have a difficult time overruling this judge without showing they are in the tank for Obama. But I don't think Obama will abide by the ruling.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 17, 15 2:47 PM
Phil, it seems as if you are equating some barbaric African atrocities with a highly organized movement carrying out military operations and mass killings in the Name of Allah!! Surely I have misconstrued your meaning? Why not just admit that ISIS(L) is a radical Islamic group, the evidence is clear.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 17, 15 11:14 AM
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Just got finished reading the latest article by the (left leaning) Atlantics, Graeme Wood... May I suggest everyone takes a moment out to do the same.

What ISIS Really Wants

The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.

What is the Islamic State? ...
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 17, 15 11:25 AM
wow, so you give the war lords a pass on their actions BECAUSE they are black?

You just made me want to puke.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Feb 17, 15 1:46 PM
There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them. The Qur'an:
Feb 17, 15 2:58 PM appended by Erin 27 E
could you imagine ( who was it again who said his goal was to fundamentally change the country ?
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 17, 15 2:58 PM
I had an argument at lunch today with a fella worker who said the minority of Muslim extremists call for Sharia Law or restoration of the Caliphate while the majority of Muslims stay silent. When the extremists win, the majority goes along with them.

Hence, Muslims are part of the problem, whether they are chopping off heads or going with the flow.

I said I am not part of da problem and I do not need to be part of your solution either. dont you try and pin this on me. ya hear ...more
By local 84 (348), riverhead on Feb 17, 15 5:19 PM
Fun Fact:

Andrew Jackson was quite the prankster. He is even said to have invited prostitutes to a Christmas Ball while in dance school.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 17, 15 11:26 AM
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me finish tonight with the news. Like many of you, I live in conflict over this horror for the Mideast. These 21 beheadings of Coptic Christians.

They’re killing people in the most disrespectful way so they can be seen doing it by the people they want to recruit. By the people they want to kill.

What can we do? Can we do nothing? Can we just look at the pictures, ask what’s for supper? What’s on TV tonight? What’s the weather like tomorrow ...more
Feb 17, 15 2:26 PM appended by 27dan
Perhaps W was right in calling it a war of civilizations.Spreading a democratically based ideology which promotes the dignity and rights of all human beings was what America was all about.Those historic elections where middle eastern women got the right to vote for the first time was a highlight of a great cause.The hard won freedoms were given back when Obama decided to prematurely withdraw stabilizing troops from the region andLeftist journalists like Matthews are to blame,Now quit complaining. YOU are one of the reasons we are stuck with that jackanapes in the White House. Bitching and moaning now won't bring your credibility back.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 17, 15 2:26 PM
wow ! capitan and dan if two guys from msnbc are even admitting it its serious
By Erin 27 E (1261), hampton bays on Feb 17, 15 3:47 PM
Schieffer: Jordan Bombs ISIS After Hostage Killed, Obama Goes To California To Do A Fundraiser and Golf
By Undocumented Democrat (2039), southampton on Feb 17, 15 4:51 PM
If we send American troops into the Middle East again, thousands of our countrymen will die, many more will be maimed for life, it will cost us billions (or trillions) of dollars, and, when we eventually leave, the local Muslims will resume the murderous fratricide that our presence temporarily interrupted.

Nothing will change. Has not our recent experience demonstrated that fact clearly?

If ISIL is to be eradicated, Middle Eastern Muslims must do it themselves. We can help them ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 18, 15 2:45 AM
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I actually agree with Hat on this, though there's not much we can do economically. Unless we want to stay there forever and kill terrorists forever, and watch our guys die too, then we should force the hands of the surrounding nations to step up and fight. Yes, we can and should assist. However, this a not our war despite how vile ISIS is. Our planes and our bombs? Ok. Our advisers? Ok. Our boots and blood? Not ok.
We can't solve the problem of Islamic extremism unless Saudi Arabia, Jordan, ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 18, 15 12:45 PM
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Since Barak Hussein Obama , peace be upon Him in the name of Allah the merciful, was elected, Qadafi was ejected, with help from the USA, in Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood has gained enormous power , again with our help, our military has cut and run from Iraq. Obama has backed the wrong side at every turn when it comes to the mid-east. Were the dictators staunch allies, of course not, but they kept a lid on the radicals, the same radicals who now are ISIS. Way to go Barry, way to go! God help us all ...more
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 18, 15 9:00 PM
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Obama did cut and run when he pulled our military out of Iraq before the Iraqis were ready to defend their country from the Islamic radicals. Backing the rebels in Syria was another of His blunders , he has paved the way for Isis(l) to grow in both power and numbers, not intentionally but by sheer incompetence .
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 19, 15 11:52 AM
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By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 19, 15 11:31 PM
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By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 19, 15 11:52 AM
Fun Fact:

Technically John Hanson was our first President under the Articles of Confederation.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 19, 15 11:35 PM
Rudy spoke the truth, nothing to regret! Incredible that Rudy, not running for office, not an elected official gets more plat from the MSM than did the terrorism summit. Sycophants , toadies and lackeys of the Democrat Party.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 20, 15 8:55 PM
to marlinspike:

How ironic (if entirely predictable) that YOU should call one of the most admired men in America a fool.

The abysmal and ignorant vileness of your personality is revealed with each new deplorable post.

You are the poster boy for Right-Wing extremists.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 21, 15 10:49 AM
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The ignorance and stupidity exemplified by the average right winger is deplorable in this country.

Training, weapons, planes, strategy, training, fine. However, the chickenhawks should not be permitted to sacrifice any more American lives in a fight which should belong to the indigenous people who want to be free.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 21, 15 2:22 PM
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On February 12, Mr. Zeldin attended and spoke at the Congress’s first hearing on the authorization, where he said “it is time for us to defeat ISIS,”

Wow, what a brilliant insight! Can one person be so intelligent?
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Feb 21, 15 8:51 AM
"It is time for us to defeat ISIS"
"We need to create a jobs program for ISIL"
I just can't decide which statement is more intelligent.
By loading... (588), quiogue on Feb 21, 15 12:38 PM
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to Captn America & marlinspike:

Like your despicable brethren, you scurry around the feet of great men, stretching up to bite the nibs of their shoelaces, while squeaking as loudly as you can in the hope that SOMEONE will take notice of your insignificant (verminous) presence.

Jimmy Carter was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. What awards have either of you received in recognition of your service to humanity?

Were your criticism not so farcical it would be contemptible. ...more
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 21, 15 7:45 PM
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While Jimmeh Carter seems to be a decent man, he will go down in history as our second+ worst president, right behind Barak Hussein Obama. These two prove that liberals are not able to handle leadership positions, weak, feckless leftists on who's watch the USA lost power and influence around the world. On the domestic front they spent us into oblivion, anyone remember the MISERY INDEX under Carter? Energy crisis, Iran taking US hostages? A great man HH? Unfreakin believable.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 21, 15 8:44 PM
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As I recall, the "Energy Crisis" had far more to do with Nixon pulling us off the gold standard, and OPEC throwing a hissy fit because the dollars flowing in were inflated and lost substantial value.

Carter tried to do a lot of good things for the middle class and poor, especially when it came to workplace safety.

Reagan followed up by tripling the deficit, and his administration holds the record for most convicted felons.
Feb 21, 15 11:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
"tripling the national debt via deficit spending"
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 21, 15 11:41 PM
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Those would be the result of fiat currency, and the end of Bretton Woods.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 22, 15 10:28 PM
Maybe you are too young to remember the disaster that was Jimmeh Carter's presidency. There was a misery index to describe how horrific the economic situation was , how miserable we were. Liberalism at its finest.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 21, 15 9:53 PM
More like the inner workings of the inception of the Powell Doctrine, and the lead up to a criminal administration.

138

Do you ever tire of being wrong?
Feb 22, 15 10:18 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW, the economic conditions that resulted from pulling us off the gold standard is referred to in academia as the "Nixon Shock". Though it was successful politically, the instability it created in world markets led to the rotten economic conditions during the Carter presidency. To blame President Carter for stagflation is pure ignorance.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 21, 15 10:18 PM
Once again, proof that liberalism is a mental disorder! Do you believe in American exceptionalism or do you see our still great nation as the problem like Mr. Z does?
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 22, 15 1:12 PM
Hey, *******.

This nation is number one at one thing anymore pal.

Most people incarcerated per capita. Maybe I don't like my country much right now, but don't you ever dare question whether or not I love it. Because I do, I will question it's conduct. I will question the scruples of it's leaders. I will question every single thing about it.

Bottom line is: "We" are failing. Please do get over it, and your Irving Berlin BS.
Feb 22, 15 9:11 PM appended by Mr. Z
"As an American, I find Rudy Giuliani's vicious comments about President Obama 'not loving America' to be profoundly offensive to both the President and the Office." ~ Howard Schultz, Starbucks CEO
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 22, 15 9:11 PM
In other news:

Climate change denier took $1.25 million from Koch brothers, energy companies

By Suzanne Goldenberg, The Guardian
21 Feb 2015 at 20:03 ET


A prominent academic and climate change denier’s work was funded almost entirely by the energy industry, receiving more than $1.2m from companies, lobby groups and oil billionaires over more than a decade, newly released documents show.

Over the last 14 years Willie Soon, a researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 22, 15 12:14 AM
Arctic at it's warmest in 40,000 years.
Ocean pH dropping due to increasing carbonic acid levels.
Glacier National Park has 25 remaining of it's original c. 150.
Cavernous craters have opened up in the Siberian Tundra.

Just FYI, carbonic acid is formed when CO2 dissolves in water...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 22, 15 9:49 PM
The numbers have all been played with before so why should we believe them?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 22, 15 10:07 PM
USGS numbers are pretty accurate, as is the science and empirical data accumulated to back up ocean acidification and ice pack/glacier loss.

If coral reefs dying from acidity aren't a wake up call, what will be?

Shall we wait for methane to set the sky on fire?
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 23, 15 12:43 PM
I'll hold my breath.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 15 5:26 PM
If 97% of engineers said not to cross a bridge, would you?

The same percentage will tell you we're well on the way to pushing the planet into the next "Great Dying". Y'know, that geological period which created just about all the oil we've burned in the last century, and the coal was created millions of years before that.

Unless you're a creationist, then it only happened 6,000 years ago...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 25, 15 2:50 AM
Because the liberal egg heads have come to a "consensus". No heretical thought or dissent will be tolerated! All this brought to you by the open minded tolerant leftists. See posts above.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 23, 15 12:25 PM
Egg heads.

More proof of conservatism as a mental disorder.


"We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men."

~ George Orwell
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 23, 15 12:59 PM
Goerge Orwell also said

"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 15 5:30 PM
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He also said this:

"Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception."


"Patriotism" is often held very high, and more often suspended by very fine thread...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 25, 15 2:47 AM
In today's news:


Scientists Witness Carbon Dioxide Trapping Heat In Air In Real-Time Field Measurements

"The study is good technical work, said climate scientist Andrew Dessler of Texas A&M University, but it is expected — sort of like confirming gravity with a falling rock."
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 26, 15 4:39 AM
Well, it seems phil and dan got the hook...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 23, 15 1:03 PM
Yep. Looks like it was Cap and Phil.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 23, 15 5:10 PM
Well, it seems phil and dan got the hook...

What happened?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 15 5:33 PM
Their dispute became extremely accusatory, quite personal, and rather out of control.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 25, 15 2:53 AM
Unfortunate on several levels. I've had the pleasure of viewing the ongoing exchange - the other night as well. Accusing someone of egregious acts certainly falls into the category of accusatory, personal and out of control. Defending from that, not so much IMO. If I recall, Highhat was in the mix as well and from what I saw, seemed to be stoking the flames some (again, just my opinion), yet calling for the Press to allow the discussion to remain (notice the deleted post at 9:44 on 2/22 on the ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 10:43 AM
Ding dong the witch is dead?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 23, 15 5:38 PM
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Ave atque vale unpersons philathome & Captn America, liquidated by the Feed & Grain & Press in imitation of the old KGB.

It will be distinctly more boring around here in your absence.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 23, 15 9:35 PM
Listen Hat, I could not stand that trouble maker any more than a dozen others on this site, but if I had my way and I am sure everyone feels the same they should not have been bounced out of here. We have a group that is over five years old and as dysfunctional as it my be at times it is still our group... I believe the press being a news outlet should (In the spirit of freedom of the press and the 1st amendment ) reconsider.

So I will put forth this open post to the editor and the new ...more
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 24, 15 12:42 AM
I agree completely. Bring them both back.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 24, 15 7:53 AM
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No more Philly? Aw man he was our resident Michael Moore only angrier. I enjoyed our "debates" and always saw the humor behind it. I agree with my fellow 27E posters that they should be reinstated. Perhaps a probation period? I don't want to be left arguing with Hat. His vocabulary is too advanced for me.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 15 7:14 AM
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to joe hampton:

I daresay that Captn America displays character traits (to which I have often referred) that I find equally objectionable. Nonetheless, his input, and philathome's, prevented this forum from becoming a clone of the torpidly insipid journal that sponsors it (which is precisely why they were expunged.)

Strong opinions, effectively stated, make for interesting conversation. We are going to have a lot less of that.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 24, 15 6:18 AM
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Well the new site looks way different and It defiantly does not promote interaction among us any more... so I guess the feed and grain press as HHS would call it found a way to marginalize outsiders driving the Walnut Grove news cycle and giving our opinions beyond the initial first day, fells very xenophobic
By joe hampton (3428), southampton on Feb 25, 15 2:11 AM
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I always liked the brutal honesty of anonymous posting. I'm always open to listening to opposing points of view that might make sense.
By Mets fan (1486), Southampton on Feb 24, 15 9:42 AM
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I'm surprised that the Press simply didn't expunge the comments section entirely rather than make it less noticeable. It has long been but a pale shadow of similar sections on respected journals thanks to the Press's totalitarian censorship policy, and I doubt that it adds anything to the bottom line of the Feed & Grain. Moreover, the competition from forums on other local news sites (principally, the moribund "Patch"), which might formerly have led readers to go elsewhere, has evaporated.

Ergo, ...more
Feb 25, 15 9:28 AM appended by highhatsize
Oops! - - - "Moritur[u]s"
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 25, 15 9:28 AM
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It was never our intention to make the story comments less noticeable. We certainly value everyone's input.
The removal of the Who's on 27east widget from the homepage was part of an effort to improve its aesthetics. It has since been returned to the homepage.
There may be more changes in coming months, please feel free to contact me at billsutton@pressnewsgroup.com with any comments or concerns.
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (116), Westhampton Beach on Feb 25, 15 12:27 PM
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Thanks Bill. Any chance of bringing Cap and Phil back? They both should be given serious consideration considering their contributions to this forum.
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 25, 15 1:21 PM
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I'm sorry. Both were given multiple warnings about violations to the 27east terms of service--more than many might, because of their frequent contributions to the site--but continued to post inappropriate comments.
By Bill Sutton, Managing Editor (116), Westhampton Beach on Feb 25, 15 1:48 PM
Can we let Philly back in for one day after Jeb Bush gets elected president?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 15 4:01 PM
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Je suis Philly!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 15 4:01 PM
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Curious... warnings in what manner Mr. Sutton? The 27East policy states repeated violation of policy will be “banned from posting on site without notice”. Warnings would seem to be in itself inconsistent with the 27East policy. Does 27East send email warning notices?

Everyone here gets red lined at one point or another in what often appears to be an inconsistent and discriminate manner and a half dozen of us have likely ventured into similar troubled waters at one point or ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (397), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 5:44 PM
I received an e-mail chastisement year or so ago after a nasty , more than usual, exchange with the recently departed Phil but , obviously, was not banished. Phil needed a time out.
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 25, 15 9:48 PM
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Welcome, Scarlet Letter.
I''d give you a tour, but you look like the kind of fella that knows his away around.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 26, 15 5:04 PM
Welcome back Cap, we did what we could to convince the high command to reinstate you, sent a few emails.

Joe and Bill seem pretty pissed so maybe you should ease back in slow,

I have been using this avatar since you got the boot to show solidarity and would be honored if you want to use it. It would help us keep track of you if you need to morph again.

By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 28, 15 2:24 AM
You probably did them a favor. They were here waaaaay too much. They need to get out in the fresh air for a bit.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Feb 25, 15 4:41 PM
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Who are we to tell them what to do with their time;)
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 26, 15 4:17 PM
My blood pressure has gone down with the absence of Phil and things sure are a lot more peaceful around here... maybe you right blank, I think he brought out the worst in everyone.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 25, 15 6:06 PM
He wanted to. Philly's hate for conservatives and Republicans ran so deep that if you didn't agree with his far left agenda, then you must be a right wing radical. And whether it was true or not, he argued as if you were. I don't think Philly's aim was to have debate, but more an opportunity to throw out propaganda as bait and insult whoever took the bait. I thought it was fun. I'll miss you, Philly. This racist, republican wing nut, woman hating, war mongering, elitist, radical, gay bashing, liar ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 25, 15 9:16 PM
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I might miss the opportunity to show him how radical his Ideas where but that never would have happened.
By 27dan (2814), Shinnecock Hills on Feb 26, 15 1:41 AM
"My name is Karl Glocken and this is a ship of fools! I am a fool. You’ll meet more fools as we go along. This tub is packed with them. Emancipated ladies and ballplayers. Lovers. Dog lovers. Ladies of joy. Tolerant Jews, Dwarfs. All kinds. And who knows—if you look closely enough, you may even find yourself on board."

Ship of Fools (1965)
By PBR (4952), Southampton on Feb 25, 15 11:17 PM
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I will miss them both. Of all the correspondents on this forum, they were the two most likely to incite debate. Without them, the volume of postings will probably decrease by half.

It's a shame that there isn't a bulletin board out here for uncensored debate. I find it ethically uncomfortable to use the Feed & Grain site.
By highhatsize (4183), East Quogue on Feb 26, 15 3:21 AM
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Ha! I think an uncensored debate with Phil would turn into a Quentin Tarantino movie within two minutes.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 26, 15 7:43 AM
I luv Quentin Tarantino movies.
By bird (824), Southampton on Feb 26, 15 12:55 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing from the new guy "Billathome"
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Feb 26, 15 5:05 PM
Hope he will have learned something lol
By They call me (2795), southampton on Feb 27, 15 4:48 PM
Phil taught me more about Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" than I had intended to learn.
By loading... (588), quiogue on Feb 26, 15 8:54 PM
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Fun Fact:

John Stafford Smith, an Englishman, wrote the original melody for the "Star Spangled Banner". It was the melody to a drinking song named "Anacreon in Heaven" written in about 1780. Francis Scott Key used the 19th century version of sampling, and used the melody for his composition during the bombing of Fort McHenry.

And hey, it's probably better then the melody to "In Heaven There is no Beer"...
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Feb 28, 15 12:36 AM
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Sampling beer is a good thing no?
By dnice (2346), Hampton Bays on Feb 28, 15 8:18 PM
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Nice to see that the Republicans in the House have the testicular fortitude to do whatever it takes to stop Barak Hussein Obama's, Peace be upon Him in the name of the Prophet, illegal amnesty for illegals. Shut down HLS, "Essential workers" will still be on the job. Why are we paying NON essential workers in the first place??!! Any other business owners here have non essential workers on the payroll?! The government works for us, not the other way around. Theoretically at least, we can see that ...more
By bigfresh (4593), north sea on Feb 28, 15 1:39 PM
Fun Fact:

Abraham Lincoln was the co-proprietor of a bar named "Berry and Lincoln" before being elected to the Illinois State Legislature.
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Mar 1, 15 12:48 AM
Today in Science:

Scientists Find Direct Evidence That Atmospheric CO2 Heats Earth’s Crust
March 1, 2015
By Lisa Winter


When scientists discuss increasing levels of carbon dioxide, they are generally referring to carbon that either stays in the atmosphere where it has a greenhouse effect, or dissolves into the ocean where it contributes to acidification. However, a new paper published in Nature describes the first evidence that confirms what climate models have ...more
By Mr. Z (11670), North Sea on Mar 1, 15 7:54 PM
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