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Sep 19, 2012 4:17 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

East Hampton Village Police Charge Man With Felony In Connection With Anti-Obama Graffiti

Sep 25, 2012 3:43 PM

East Hampton Village Police on September 18 arrested Lawrence G. Nickel, 63, of East Hampton and Stuart, Florida, on charges that he was responsible for a rash of derogatory graffiti in the village targeting President Barack Obama and his policies, including using a racial slur to describe the president.

Mr. Nickel was charged with one felony count of criminal mischief, 12 misdemeanor counts of making graffiti and one misdemeanor count of petit larceny. The felony count stems from damages in excess of $250, according to Chief Gerry Larsen. His department put the total at $488.38 in damages to both public and private property.

Among the targets were the United Artists Cinema, park benches, signs and the ticket dispensing machines in the Reutershan and Schenck parking lots in the village’s shopping district. The last target appears to have been a side door in an alley off Main Street, where “Obama Lying Socialist P.O.S.” was written in black marker at some point between September 16 and the day of Mr. Nickel’s arrest, according to police.

Police said the charges stemmed from a four-month-long investigation. With the cooperation of several village businesses that provided video evidence, police said, they were able to identify Mr. Nickel.

He was released on $750 station house bail and will be arraigned in East Hampton Town Justice Court on October 11.

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Mr Nickel, Some of us understand your frustration. I for one thank you for trying to raise public awareness despite a media blackout. You are a patriot.
Sep 19, 12 4:54 PM appended by They call me
For the recored, The ones I saw had the terms socialist, American apologist and 16 trillion dollar debt, which I believe were fair statements. If there were truly racial remarks elsewhere I do not condone them
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 19, 12 4:54 PM
I wouldn't be so quick to assume he's not an Obama supporter.

The grafitti I saw was "Obama, lying P.O.S.", which any of his supporters could easily justify as an honest assessment.

As to the "racist" comments, the police have been known to embellish once or twice....I'd prefer to know what that comment was and characterize it myself.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 6:15 PM

I can't understand why this cretin is not charged with a hate crime. Using a racist epithet in commission of a crime is a hate crime, pure & simple, under NY State Law. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/FOUR/Y/485/485.05

The police must have witnesses or photos of what he scrolled upon a public surface. The law is very clear on this alleged crime, that deserves the added charge..
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 30, 12 11:52 PM

I can't understand why your hero, this cretin, is not charged with a hate crime. Using a racist epithet in commission of a crime is a hate crime, pure & simple, under NY State Law. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/PEN/FOUR/Y/485/485.05

The police must have witnesses or photos of what he scrolled upon a public surface. The law is very clear on this alleged crime, that deserves the added charge.
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Sep 30, 12 11:58 PM
63 years old -- you would think he would handle his frustrations and voice his opinions in a more mature manner. Defacing public property is something a teenager would do.
By Mrs.Sea (267), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 12 5:06 PM
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I agree he could have found a better way of getting out the word, to spite the 47 percent of the people who are receiving the entitlements and paying Zero in income tax would vote for this guy even if there was video of him burning the American flag himself.
The Unions,
Gays,
Feminists,
And Blacks
Do not care about his policies that are spending this country into oblivion and discrediting us as a nation they only care about there agenda
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 19, 12 5:37 PM
The 47 percent well actually the latest numbers say 46 percent as broken out by the tax policy center:

23 percent income is to low to pay income tax
10 percent benefits for the elderly
7 percent benefits for the WORKING poor and their children
6 percent is classified as other like benefits for veterans and members of the military and their families.

I'm sure that there are some members of the union, gays,blacks,and feminists are included in those those numbers. ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Sep 19, 12 6:20 PM
Shouldn't everyone pay something toward the federal government we all benefit from? Why should anyone get a free ride (other than those with no income)?

By the way your numbers make no sense. Anyone not paying federal income tax is because their income is "too low" after deductions.

What does this incoherent statement mean: "6 percent is classified as other like benefits for veterans and members of the military and their families."
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 6:25 PM
Just posting what was put out by the tax policy center...never claimed to be an expert...you can always visit their website yourself. Perhaps I mixed something up. I doubt the people in the 47 percent feel like they are getting a free ride. Contrary to popular belief (that stereotype I mentioned) people in the 47 percent are not dependent on the government programs. But hey like I said I'm not an expert. I’m Just waiting for someone to say something that isn’t spin. Waiting for someone ...more
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Sep 19, 12 6:39 PM
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By PJC (5), Westhampton on Sep 19, 12 7:57 PM
Typical violent OWS'er.

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 9:08 PM
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My,My,My, such left wing progressive hate, Why so bent PJC I would really like to know what was said that was so horrible, seemed like a fair assessment to me.?
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Sep 19, 12 10:01 PM
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That's a good one phil :)

Really, it gave me a good laugh, and I'll use that line in the future.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 20, 12 9:39 AM
Oh c'mon ... you have decided who you are voting for. As I have. Change will occur when people who want ot go back to work - go back to work! Not for increased pay or benefits - but for an hourly wage or to work more than 40 hours a week to pay their BILLS. Without government subsidies. I used to own a business ... I see people who owed me $200 or $300 in the grocery store with a full grocery cart - not saying they were on food stamps - but they have cars (payments of ?? insurance??), cable ...more
By Board Watcher (532), East Hampton on Sep 20, 12 9:54 PM
Purest stupidity. "there agenda" indeed. You left out many other minorities who love Obama in overwhelming numbers: Asians, Brown people, immigrants, educated people with post-graduate degrees, the handicapped, among others. Like Lawrence Nickle, all of the rabid Obama haters are just on the wrong side of history & they're failing badly. A country for privileged white males has long gone--with the doodoo bird. Many of the haters seem to be going berserk about how democracy has changed our nation ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Oct 1, 12 12:03 AM
Left out Asians by design. They are the smallest minority and were despised after WWII. They have had much less help in the form of affirmative action. they have too much pride to accept food stamps unless starving. The difference is there personal responsibility and strong family values. Both a mother and a father bringing up the children.I admire them.
By 27dan (2695), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 2:09 PM
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By johnj (980), Westhampton on Sep 19, 12 5:25 PM
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I saw a left winger with a sign that read "F**k the troops".

Since the actions of a single person can be applied to entire groups, I have to ask. Why do you hate the troops? Why do you cheer the deaths of American servicemen and women? Why do you side with those who want ot destroy America?

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 5:44 PM
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I think TCM said it already... they have a radical progressive agenda and will stop at nothing to get there man in for what will surly be a very destructive (nothing to lose) second term. I fear for what is left of our constitution. If these charlatan manages to buy his way into the white house once again. I do not think Mr. Nickel was thinking clearly if he defaced private property but it is a shame the blatant hypocrisy the occupy wall street thugs get away with.
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Sep 19, 12 5:54 PM
The administration has repeatedly asked law enforcement to "go easy" on Occupy.

Dissent is a right shared by us all equally.

Unfortunately, some are more equal than others under this regime.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 6:20 PM
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So what, should that be illegal? It's SPEECH idiot. How many times have democrats called republicans Nazi's? How many times have YOU called GWB a Nazi?

OWS, on the other hand got away with trespassing, vandalizing, assaulting police, and setting fires.

Ar eyou proud of OWS and their behaviour phil? What would you say to all the victims of rape left in the aftermath of OWS?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 9:02 PM
Phil, those are Lyndon Larousse disciples. They are crack pots and have nothing to do with the tea party. And just curious are you ever going to stop saying teabaggers or do you have a free pass on hypocritical hate tags
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Sep 19, 12 9:58 PM
"I saw a left winger...". How convenient. I call BS on this.
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Sep 20, 12 12:30 AM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 21, 12 10:09 PM
Was the graffiti on signs Mr. Nickel was carrying or did he deface public property?
By Mrs.Sea (267), Sag Harbor on Sep 19, 12 5:48 PM
Public and private property.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Sep 21, 12 2:13 PM
Really 63???
By lhasabon (8), Wading River on Sep 19, 12 5:55 PM
16 trillion dollars in debt, 14 Arab spring country's are burning and this fool is parting it up with Jay-Z and Beyonce. Lord help us!
By 27dan (2695), Southampton on Sep 19, 12 6:18 PM
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President Obama attends a fundrasier given by his supporters and he is partying it up...Romney does the same thing and its just a fundraiser...I beleive he attended two parties oops I mean fund raisers in the "Hamptons" this summer.
By pstevens (406), Wilmington on Sep 19, 12 6:23 PM
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You're one to talk about takers phil. Your household recieves a welfare check from the federal government every month at the expense of those of us who are productive.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 6:30 PM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 9:06 PM
Just realized pstevens...you are from Wilmington....why are you here blogging about a town incident that is clearly not near you???
Just wondering....
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 28, 12 1:44 PM
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By kpjc (159), east quogue on Sep 19, 12 6:30 PM
RF I hope you can substantiate your last statement
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 6:40 PM
Why? Are you going to do something about it?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 9:06 PM
hey boy, I will do somthing bout it. sure nough if you got the gutz
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Sep 19, 12 10:40 PM
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By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 21, 12 10:15 PM
I heard Mitt Romney's middle name is actualy "Gaffe".

Let's see, list of people he has recently offended: Great Britain, Russia, Palestinians, China, almost 2/3 of this country, and I think even Libya.

This guy may know how to bilk the FDIC with "poison pill" conditions in a contract, but apparently foreign policy is beyond him.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 19, 12 7:57 PM
You have a point Mrs.Z.

The world loves us with Obama at the helm.

His mastery of international affairs is a sight to behold.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 9:09 PM
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Looks like RF forgot his tinfoil hat.

Those frequencies are a comin' in...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 19, 12 9:14 PM
Cap, the policies which created this debt were laid down by "The Committee to Save the World" over a decade ago.

This is what happens when you play with counterfiet money (e.g., fiat currency).
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 19, 12 9:35 PM
Who was it that said the masses are asses?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 19, 12 10:08 PM
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the det is of no concern, The fedral government is responsible an obligated to give every person employment or a guaranteed income. If the American businessmen will not give full employment, then the technology and means of production should be taken from the businessmen and placed in the community so that the people of the community can organize and employ all of its people an give a high standard of livin.
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Sep 19, 12 10:36 PM
Local - you might wanna checkout Cuba if living in America doesn't workout for ya
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 19, 12 10:41 PM
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Well Nature, under the ORIGINAL corporate charter system the shareholders and state governments maintained tight control over corporations. And, the Founding Fathers weren't Cuban.

The rules were strict, and no corporate entity was permitted to participate in politics, own property/stake in another corporation, charters were limited, and if they caused public harm they were dissolved and assets were sold off at a profit to the shareholders.

One beauty of a "limited charter" was ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 6:37 AM
Local seems to think that every person is entitled to a job - no matter what. Yes, let's all share the wealth in one happy communist sing-a-long! We can get matching uniforms too, yipee.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Sep 20, 12 9:31 AM
Hmmmm ... do you think the "person in the room serving them drinks" was paid ON THE BOOKS - or OFF THE BOOKS - do you think CASH was involved? Not for the serving of drinks, per se, but ... well, you know ... politicks is politicks. Why has the WHOLE video not been released as Romeny called for? This whole blog adds nothing, really, to the reality that we (middle class? not any more!) on the East End (except for those who already "have" - the wealthy Dems??) have been sold out by "Democrat At ...more
By Board Watcher (532), East Hampton on Sep 20, 12 10:07 PM
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sorry, Hillary seems to create a mini-war between people every time she visits a country....and when at home ....people that she comes across...seem to disappear or are found dead.
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Sep 28, 12 1:48 PM
guess not
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 19, 12 7:57 PM
You can sense the desperateness of the right. Obama unleashed his secret weapon, waiting for Mitt Romney to comment and speak. Let's see what group published the hate movie that the arab world is mad at. That's right a religious right group. the party claiming the most religion to go along with the most hate. You can follow John McCain's advice. Libya we should support and bomb and send in troops. Syria we should support and bomb and send in troops.Egypt we should support and bomb and send in troops. ...more
By Mets fan (1426), Southampton on Sep 19, 12 10:23 PM
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"Can't wait for November 6th when a clear thinking, brave, guts to act president will be re-elected" Is this a joke?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 20, 12 8:37 AM
Yes, a huge gaffe.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 20, 12 9:25 AM
JOE SAID - "Romney might pay a smaller % in taxes each yr than you phil... but that is because it is money he was already taxed on that he is now risking in the market... & his smaller % puts more into the system in a wk than you do in a lifetime."

PHIL SAID - "Romney won't disclose his tax returns because he is part of the 47%.
A freeloader. " LOLLL

I SAY - I think your finally getting it Phil
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 20, 12 12:01 AM
As I've said before, the problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. Romney is a business man and I trust him to put his head down and sort out this mess. More of Obama is not going to move this country forward. More businesses will move out of the US because of the tax and regulatory burden that Obama thinks they deserve. That means less jobs. Do so many Democrats really care more about free contraception and keeping unions such as the Chicago Teachers Union ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Sep 20, 12 12:54 AM
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Those people just won a pay increase in a time when "middle class" salaries have been stagnant for over twenty years, and the socioeconomic divide in this country has regressed to where it was almost a century ago. It is people who behave like Romney and stiff the middle class on wages, all the while granting themselves 400% increases in salary over the last thirty years, who are breaking this country. You wouldn't know what Socialism is if it walked up an bit you on the arse, and you sure as ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 7:13 AM
As you can tell I am a Republican by my past posts. I hate to say this but the Republican candidate Romney doesn't represent most Americans. He is the poster boy of big money putting the small business out of business. Believe me when Obama is done we wil have 21 trillion in debt and be in shambles, but Romney is just a blow hard. I don't think a real candidate will ever run for the office of President the country is a money grab free for all headed for third world status.
By chief1 (2698), southampton on Sep 20, 12 7:41 AM
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" . . . the country is a money grab free for all . . . "

Well said, Sir.

Robert Reich said recently:

"Yes, Romney is an automaton — but when the dials are set properly he can give a good imitation of a human engaged in sharp debate."

Unfortunately, the term "automaton" could fairly be applied to almost all candidates for all offices in all countries.

Money talks? Sadly, it appears to be saying something like "Let's go to H3LL in a hand basket as ...more
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 20, 12 8:18 AM
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Robert Reich is the biggerst D bag this side of Karl Marx. Who are you going to qoute next Ward Churchill, Van Jones maybe Keith Olbermann. Get a job.
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Sep 20, 12 10:11 AM
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Oh the surplus where the money in SS was counted towards the total? Can't believe someone as smart as you fell for that.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 20, 12 6:39 PM
Those teachers won a 7% pay increase despite the fact that the graduation rate is exceptionally low. Nowhere in the private sector do you get to 1. keep your job and 2. get a payrise; for doing such a bad job. It seems the head of the CTU called a strike just to prove she could. If I were a Chicago taxpayer I would be apoplectic. It will be a disaster for this country if Obama is re-elected. No candidate is perfect but Obama just doesn't get it. I am sure anyone who can, will do all they can to ...more
By Leon789 (50), westhampton on Sep 20, 12 8:02 AM
"Nowhere in the private sector do you get to 1. keep your job and 2. get a payrise; for doing such a bad job." Um, not to say anything positive about the Chicago teachers union, but have you seen what Wall St bankers and most big company CEO's get? Sky high compensation for poor results. It is standard operating procedure in the Fortube 500.
By zaz (197), East Hampton on Sep 20, 12 11:25 AM
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So-called graffiti "artists" should be apprehended and prosecuted. I wonder... have the East Hampton police ever spent four months searching for a graffiti writer and then charged him/her with a felony? Inquiring minds want to know.
By Liman (28), Montauk on Sep 20, 12 10:53 AM
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Now i understand why they call us GOYIM. Because not one comment on this page focuses on the true nature of the power structure.
Probably because not one person who has commented even knows the real truth.
GOYIM INDEED! Go back to Sleep where you all belong
Sep 20, 12 10:55 AM appended by year round
GOYIM as Cattle, born and bred to serve. Doing a great job at staying divided like you are supposed to. Good little cattle. Keep fighting so you are blind to the wool over your eyes. watch the puppet show, pretend you have a choice. Have a nice day
By year round (22), southampton on Sep 20, 12 10:55 AM
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No one is interested in Ron Paul so what would you suggest we do turn on Alex Jones and shoot ourselves in the head. We have 2 choices one not so good and the current nightmare. have a nice afternoon to you too year round
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 20, 12 11:47 AM
Haven't you read my posts over the years?
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 2:52 PM
Obama has connections to Bill Ayers, a domestic terrorist who planted bombs in an attempt to kill people working at the Pentagon.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 21, 12 10:18 PM
They call me,... I see you haven't changed in spite of the latest from ST. Mitt
I thought that video of him at a fund raiser was from Southampton in July but they said it was from Fla. in May. It should wake up some people.. I guess not the R-W- Radical those that are writing in on this post; I precieve most are those ill mannered noveau riche who are afraid it might be taken away.
By summertime (589), summerfield fl on Sep 20, 12 12:30 PM
People work hard to earn money summertime. if they know they are going to have it striped away from them what is the incentive to become successful in the first place.Stop demonizing those of us that have toiled and struggled to get to the top.We earned it and you can too. Even Phil could, if he put as much energy into becoming self sufficient as he does making up excuses
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Sep 20, 12 1:55 PM
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Didn't like the ad hominem attacks but I like the premise.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 2:56 PM
Why, would responsible hard working Americans who have a job or seriously looking for one not vote the Romney/Ryan ticket.
Who, but union cronies or progressives with a ideological agenda want to be what Obama seems hellbent on making us...a "European Socialist Democracy?"
Why, after all we have been through as a county to gain our freedoms would we give most of our hard earned wealth to a Centralized Planning, Redistribution, aka Socialist Fed Government to squander away on Solyndras, ...more
Sep 20, 12 2:28 PM appended by 27dan
Islamic
By 27dan (2695), Southampton on Sep 20, 12 2:28 PM
If it was Anti-Romney graffitti, they would have given him more paint
By itsamazing (222), Southampton on Sep 20, 12 2:59 PM
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If it was Anti-Romney graffitti, they would have given him more paint
By itsamazing (222), Southampton on Sep 20, 12 3:01 PM
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You still believe that appended crock of horse puckey?

Once an ignoramus, always an ignoramus I suppose...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 9:38 PM
"Conservatives" these days would probably call Teddy Roosevelt a "Socialist" fer cryin' out loud.

I've looked into the whole "birther" thing, and he was born in Hawaii. The certificate checks out, I've even checked out the story about the "layered scan" regarding the adobe file. His mother was 18, enrolled in college at Hawaii, and visited Washington state about a month after Obama was born. Lolo Soetoro was described as ""was much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim", and more ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 21, 12 4:33 PM
No it comes in the form of a NYT headlines, much more civilized.
By jams (127), hampton bays on Sep 22, 12 9:42 PM
Hey folks, Cap's got a new word -- "redistributionist." Guess the Cap'n still pays his cable bill and got to watch Fox this week ("Can you say 'redistribution'?"). Sure, Barack said it some years ago, so what? We've had redistribution ever since we've had an income tax, which goes back to the early 20th century.

The minute you impose an income tax at a graduated rate, i.e., have different tax brackets and take a higher percentage from the guy with a higher income, you're doing redistribution. ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1940), Quiogue on Sep 20, 12 6:24 PM
Don't think that is what Obama had in mind when he talked about redistribution. Nice try though.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 20, 12 6:37 PM
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Are you saying Obama contemplated redistribution by some means other than taxation, say by just seizing money or property from A and giving it to B? I doubt that very much. If you're suggesting that Obama maybe thought about increasing the rate of distribution by increasing marginal rates in the higher tax brackets, I don't know how you'd prove that, but it would at least be plausible. Any means other than taxation just isn't plausible for a practical politician.
By Turkey Bridge (1940), Quiogue on Sep 24, 12 11:02 AM
O is against small business and has making health care a major problem for the small business how many employers can afford to give the health care option to it's employees under O care?
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 20, 12 6:57 PM
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How the heck did this turn into a political forum? This is a crime announcement. Whatever his political views are he defaced somebody else's property. If you disagree , invite him to your house with some spray paint. 63 years old.God help us.
By Tuckahoe Ted (53), southampton on Sep 20, 12 9:30 PM
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Politically charged crime.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 9:34 PM
We have turkey at Thanksgiving. BYOSP.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Sep 20, 12 10:32 PM
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HR 2827.

'nuff said.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 20, 12 9:33 PM
Reminds me of the Monty Python "Hell's Grannies" skit. The future of the East end is scary and I see roving bands of retired people toilet papering town halls and and writing curse words in permanent markers on Stop signs. The only solution is to remove the 60+ community now before this gets completely out of hand. Get off my lawn!!!
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 21, 12 8:09 AM
A great skit!

Now (following up on this hilarious FT bit) what we need here are some "Keep Left" and "Keep Right" signs to keep the order in this chaotic posting of political comments in articles on crimes.

Grafitti of its own, it would seem . . .

Have a good weekend.

"Boo!" -- (watch carefully at the beginning of the FT skit).
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 21, 12 8:40 AM
"Graffiti"
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 21, 12 8:41 AM
Just watched it again -- hilarious.

"Senile Delinquents" at the ready!
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 21, 12 8:43 AM
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You know why this country is so screwed up?

A great multitude of people glorify cheating and corruption, and call it winning, or in the worst of cases "success".
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 21, 12 8:45 AM
Romney Releases 2011 Tax Returns; Paid $1.9 Million on $13.7 in Income.

donated $4,020,772 to charity

Doubles rate of Obamas' giving.

Voluntarily paid more than required.
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 21, 12 6:08 PM
"...this is where we get to the hypocrisy at the heart of Mitt Romney. Everyone knows that he is fantastically rich, having scored great success, the legend goes, as a "turnaround specialist," a shrewd financial operator who revived moribund companies as a high-priced consultant for a storied Wall Street private equity firm. But what most voters don't know is the way Mitt Romney actually made his fortune: by borrowing vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. This is the plain, ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 21, 12 6:25 PM
$4,020,772 Double what Warren Buffet gave and I am pretty sure more than Phil.
By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 21, 12 6:10 PM
You act like $4mil in donations is something to sniff at.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 21, 12 9:20 PM
Philathome: "My icon features Mit Romney saying that he paid zero income tax for ten years. Let him prove he paid taxes."

Well, we now know phil feels free to make baseless charges without evidence, and then demands his target "prove his innocence".

I suppose using that method of fact finding, it wouldn't be unreasonable to ask phil to prove he's not molesting children.
Sep 21, 12 9:37 PM appended by RealityFirst
Despite their protestations of how "absurd" any suggestion that the ideology of leftists like phil have a basis rooted in communism, they inadvertantly reveal themselves on a regular basis. To demand someone "prove their innocence" is a feature right out of a Soviet political trial. I'll give some of them the benefit of the doubt, however. Many are just too stupid and ignorant of history to know that what they are regurgitatating (and in phils case, that's all he really does, via cut and paste). The architechts of this ideology know exactly what they are doing and how to manipulate "useful idiots" into doing their bidding.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 21, 12 9:37 PM
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Within the last 48 hours you said you were never gong to to reply to me again.



Why should anyone believe anything you say?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 10:16 AM
"To demand someone "prove their innocence" is a feature right out of a Soviet political trial"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that how we are treated by not only the IRS, but the New York State Department of Taxation, and Finance?
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 22, 12 8:40 PM
It certainly was improper of Mr. Nickle to graffiti EH with derogatory comments about our president, but we forgive him. His frustration can be imagined when first the presidency, then the Senate, and finally the HOUSE(!!) are predicted all to be in Democratic hands, (Sam Wang, Princeton Election Consortium.)

Don't do that again, you naughty Republican.
By highhatsize (4002), East Quogue on Sep 22, 12 4:58 AM
Hahaha! Yeah, a Democrat landslide is in the cards! The people have seen how wll the country has done with Democrats dominating the government and will surely reward them with even more control! That little "blip" in 2010 surely won't be repeated, right!

Oh, you are going to be upset on November 7th. Get your baseless "they stole the election" accusations ready now. Evidence won't be needed, so why wait until after the election?

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 10:19 AM
to Reality First:

Here's what the Princeton Election Consortium had to say, " Based on the generic Congressional ballot, the probability of a Democratic takeover [of the House] is 74% with a median 16-seat majority."

Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let's sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again!

By highhatsize (4002), East Quogue on Sep 22, 12 11:40 AM
The only poll that matters is the one on November 6th.

However, the "Princeton Election Consortium", a grand title what is essentially a one man operation, was far, far off in it's 2010 predictions.

It was a little difficult to research the PEC. The first 100+ results in google pointed to nothing but left wing sites embracing this prediction.

Do you have any other sources that could corroborate this prediction?

By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 3:34 PM
Afraid of losing that check on the 1st and 15th?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 22, 12 5:33 PM
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This is what I'd use my spray can for

"Greed has poisoned men's souls - has barricaded the world with hate;
has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.
We have developed speed but we have shut ourselves in:
machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little:
More than machinery we need humanity;
More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness."

Chaplin's ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 22, 12 12:03 PM
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You'd need to find a really big wall.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 3:35 PM
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Ha! Yes I would. The point is we need to tone down the rhetoric and get together on some solutions. The divide gets bigger and the problems get worse.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 22, 12 7:48 PM
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Watched it on youtube. I had forgotten just how great Chaplin was.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 22, 12 8:09 PM
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For certain. These campaigns and the warped coverage that accompanies them have made me sick. I foolishly expect to be inspired and get nothing but puffs of smoke and nonsense. In the end we once again choose between the lesser of two evils. It's depressing. Worse, people defend either side as if either side has done anything but fail us. Demand more, expect more and hold these people accountable, especially the ones you deem worthy of your vote.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Sep 23, 12 12:45 PM
what is the problem? O is againt small businesses and is putting these businesses into a position that they cannot maintain, ie, health care ; most small businesses give some kind of health benefits but in reality these busineses can no longer afford the health benefits and the employees must cover some cost on already frozen salaries due to the economy. we cannot afford O careand the working stiff can tell you this all day. Example small business 10 employees cost for health $180,000 per year. ...more
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 8:02 PM
I'd like to see the list of what we can actually afford these days.

I'm sure it is far shorter than it's antithesis.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 22, 12 8:07 PM
How about we start cracking down on insurance companies. Show me one insurance company that is losing money, except for AIG, wink wink. Tort reform is something that needs to be looked at as well, but that has a snowball's chance.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 22, 12 8:28 PM
Watch "Inside Job" sometime. Scathing, and brilliant documentary.

You'll probably understand why that won't happen with the current "power brokers" that are in place.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 24, 12 5:44 PM
the list of what we can afford is so short a magnifying glass would be needed.
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 8:14 PM
sorry for above post it is 8 employees not 10
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 22, 12 8:15 PM
Where to begin? It wasn't Obama's idea to continue to make it the job of the business sector to provide health insurance to the American people. But the "public option" was never on the table, thanks to the GOP and the insurance lobby. What we got was REFORM so that those with pre existing conditions are no longer prevented from getting insurance, and those who get sick can't be dropped by their insurance company. Guess what? It's STILL a bad idea to have BUSINESS be responsible for providing ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Sep 23, 12 7:20 PM
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By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 23, 12 8:32 PM
I think its a great idea. Business, Unions, and GVT are no longer providing health care to their employees. Less the public option this is the proposal put forth by the conservative think tank the heritage foundation. Make the individual responsible for their own health care. Without the burdon of having to provide benefits the Unemployment numbers would drastically drop. If a public option is incorporated it must be revenue positive or neutral.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 24, 12 9:07 AM
Well, hope you like the second mortgage so you can pay for that round of chemo should you get cancer.

Without an insurance pool, you'll end up living in a cardboard box, dying, and most likely that same box is all you could afford to be buried in.

The Heritage Foundation operates under the assumption that every consumer is capable of making that determination, regardless of education or level of intelligence. This "rose colored glasses" assumption is laughable, and the best example ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 24, 12 5:58 PM
Z what are you talking about. You don't have a clue. The heritage foundation had put forth a plan similar to Obama care which forced all citizens to buy PRIVATE insurance. The proposal eliminated employer (both private and public sector) provided healthcare and forced the individual to pay into an insurance pool for coverage. The concept was lower costs for business and greater personnal responsibility. You should familiarize yourself with the topic before spouting off.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 24, 12 11:25 PM
It forces employers to buy it ( unless UR a Obama donor and can get exemption) or pay a tax. Big difference.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 25, 12 8:51 AM
"Spouting off", eh?

Did they also do a survey of how many businesses will pass the savings on to their employees, so they can buy their own coverage?

That would be an interesting poll, and seeing the pay raises become reality would be even more interesting. The money for the most part will be pocketed, just like every other time businesses have gotten a break. Middle class salaries have flatlined, or fell in the last two, or three decades and the cost of living has skyrocketed.

Hypothesis ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 25, 12 3:47 PM
This is true. Over the last 4 years we have seen a greater dependency upon GVT assitance than ever before, median income on the middle class have decreased by almost 10% and we have unprecedented class warfare. It is almost a crime to have money and be successful these days. Trickle up economics doesnt work. Leadership starts at the top
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 26, 12 8:46 AM
Problem is that individuals can only look out for themselves as long as they are healthy. How does a sick person keep up with health care costs? It's the healthy that need to pay into the system so that care will be there when the time comes that they need it, with the weakest among us lifted and carried along, as the Bible suggests.
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 4:44 PM
And yes, 63 is rather a mature age at which to engage in petty vandalism.
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Sep 23, 12 7:36 PM
So if everything is so perfect here, why is our lifespan declining? It actually takes a lot of hard work to keep earning the title of "the greatest country on earth," including knowing when something is broken and needs to be fixed. There are a lot of other countries where getting chemotherapy doesn't involve begging and fighting insurance companies for benefits. Canada for one. Not a bad country there, and they have figured out how to provide for their citizens without turning into a communist ...more
By M. O'Connor (147), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 4:53 PM
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Mr Nickel, After 87 posts I repeat, Some of us understand your frustration. I for one thank you for trying to raise public awareness despite a media blackout. You are a patriot.

By They call me (2674), southampton on Sep 23, 12 11:12 PM
I don't care how much anyone might dislike the President you do not damage other people property to express your view. If he had an issue he could have done something else less juvenile; it was a stupid thing for him to do.
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Sep 24, 12 6:55 AM
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Mods, are you kidding me deleting my post? Liberalism at its best. I will be canceling my subscription to the SHP when it is renewal time. What a bunch of wimps.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 24, 12 5:41 PM
Believe me ,nobody is going to miss you. I'm figuring you for an immature sixteen year old,am I close?
By Mets fan (1426), Southampton on Sep 26, 12 2:37 PM
While he did vandalize property, I agree with the message. Barry Soetoro is a disgrace. I applaud this patriot for excercising his RIGHT to free speech. What happened to "dissent is patriotic"? Seems like the left has turned it into dissent is racist! PITIFUL
By bigfresh (4309), north sea on Sep 24, 12 7:49 PM
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It is vandalism, not free speech.
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Sep 25, 12 9:06 AM
The ACT of defacing public property is vandalism.

AND

The MESSAGE is free speech.

Free speech which is also vandalism does not excuse the crime of the act. Cloaking "vandalism" in "free speech" does not cut it IMO. The defendant picked a lousy forum for his speech, perhaps counter-productive to the very message?
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 25, 12 1:12 PM
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Your really losing it, What happened to a country of laws to be obeyed by good citizens. I thought that was what the right was always preaching about. Only when convenient. Very shameful bf. Many ways to dissent without breaking the law.
By Mets fan (1426), Southampton on Sep 26, 12 2:42 PM
My turn to rant (this must be the place)
Keep bickering over the "important" issues...that's what is expected. Gays, abortion, racism, l vs r, R vs D....whatever, just don't look at the "Fed" (in quotes because it is not Federal, but private). Bernanke is printing money to buy assets at the rate of 40B/mo. Treasury bonds. Bought from the U.S.Treasury Dept., right? Wrong! This fiat money is funneled through the N.Y."Fed", headed by former Goldman Sachs partner William Dudley. The bonds ...more
By loading... (554), quiogue on Sep 25, 12 12:35 PM
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In theory the fed is independent from the GVT. The reality couldn't be further from the truth. Just like the supreme court the Fed chairman is appointed by the president. The fed reacts to many things most of them being the economic climate that is the result of political policy. FYI the injection of capital is a technique typically used to ease the credit market. It is meant to help homeowners, jobs, and the economy. This is not science fiction. With more people dependent on GVT than ever before ...more
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 26, 12 6:42 AM
Razza, your belief is why the Weimar Republic's, among others throughout history, fiscal policy failed.

Clearly you have no understanding of the history of fiat currency economies.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 8:54 AM
Thats why I buy Silver Mr. Hitchcock. obama or barry soetoro or what ever this guys real name is has destroyed our fiat currency to the brink of something the likes we have never seen. We are screwed my good man Q3 is just the beginning of the pain we are about to realize.Thank you for playing.
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Sep 25, 12 7:26 PM
joe seems to have a twenty year gap in his memory.

Our currency has been steadily debauched since 1991.

If you had any fundamental understanding of the Janus style character that is Alan Greenspan, you would not spew such garbage. It truly is people as willfully blind, or in severe cases as ignorant to be able to speak in such a manner who have brought this country low. Hubris is the last nail in the coffin our monetary system resides in.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 9:11 AM
Almost forgot.

There has never been a successful fiat currency economy in the history of the world. Ever.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 9:19 AM
I started buying at $11 and I never stopped nor will I until we hit $115 1/2 of where it is historically leans against gold.
Sep 26, 12 3:20 PM appended by joe hampton
Besides I was talking to Mr. Hitchcock
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Sep 26, 12 3:20 PM
I would like to show you a catastropic event. OBAMAAAA! ya baby
YES WE CAN!
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Sep 26, 12 7:34 PM
The Obama spending binge that never was. Lies, propaganda, and monopoly money.

From the Wall St. Journal, May 22, 2012:

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 7:21 PM
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School um Z
By local 84 (341), riverhead on Sep 26, 12 7:30 PM
As usual, the pitchforks are pointed in the wrong direction, and the people use their torches to light eachother on fire.

CTD.
Sep 26, 12 10:36 PM appended by Mr. Z
I found a piece attempting to debunk the CBO numbers, and found a few. One even tried to debunk the piece using Eisenhower numbers which were not even adjusted for inflation, and converted into "real dollars". Looks like a few "conservatives" forgot to do their homework. $76,000,000,000 in 1953 would cost $612,358,582,734 adjusted for inflation. Ah well...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 10:36 PM
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Also, don't leave out the fact that the value of M2 in 1963 was roughtly $420,332,000,000.

That's four hundred twenty BILLION, three hundred thirty two million dollars.

As of August 2012, the M2 value of the currency supply stands at:

$10,039,300,000,000

That's ten QUADRILLION, thirty nine billion, three hundred million dollars.
Sep 26, 12 10:59 PM appended by Mr. Z
Sorry, it's late. Forgot three zeros. Ten quadrillion, thirty nine trillion, three hundred billion dollars.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 10:59 PM
I thought maybe we should go for the "full monty".

The furthest back M2 is calculated is 1960. At least the oldest stats I can dig up.

SO, M2 in 2012 = $10,039,300,000,000

M2 in 1962 = $384,507,000,000

So, that is a difference of $9,654,793,000,000 of which about $6,800,000,000,000 has been printed since 1992. Which follows that around 70.4% of the increase in M2 value over the last fifty years, has occured in the last twenty or so. Conversely, that means only ...more
Sep 27, 12 11:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
Disregard the 10:59 post. It was a little too late for all those zeros. We haven't broken the quad barrier yet on M2. M3, which is no longer calculated and adds the value of large time deposits, institutional money market funds, short-term repurchase, other larger liquid assets, and all money market funds is a different story...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 26, 12 11:41 PM
Mr President! Stop the Presses. We have found our saviour. Mr Z. He knows more about how to fix the ails of the economy than any economist employed by the GVT for over the last 50 years.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 27, 12 6:29 AM
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Just can't resist showing off your stunning powers of deduction, eh?

Look up the story of this woman called Brooksley Born sometime. She was not only right about derivatives being inherently destructive, to put it mildly, she was BLACKBALLED by the "Committee to Save the World". That would be Greenspan, Geithner, and Summers. If they had listened to her, and NOT BLACKBALLED her, the crash of '07 - '08 may have not only been alot less severe, it may not have happened at all.

I ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 6:51 AM
Genius Z. Your staff is starting to take shape. Brooksely Born, Matt, Taibbi, Tommy Morello and Flea from the chilli peppers. With your superior knowledge of finance and economics who could doubt your success. Greenspan,Geithner,Paulson, Bernake, Summers couldnt hold a candle to your superior intellect and grasp of the economy
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 27, 12 9:52 AM
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You do realize that even Ayn Rand abandoned Greenspan, and called him nothing more that a "social climber"?

Do you actually believe that a fiat currency economy works?

The men in your last sentence do/did. Now look at our world, and the economy...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 5:37 PM
I really wish I could post pictures here.

Maybe then you and the people who "like" your crap would be able to "get it"...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 28, 12 6:28 AM
So everything is just fine, razza?
By Phadreus1340 (144), Southampton on Sep 27, 12 9:56 AM
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He's grasping from the anti-capitalist side of things though!
By bigfresh (4309), north sea on Sep 27, 12 12:41 PM
bf's version of capitalism:

1. Borrow untold millions in fiat currency.

2. Buy a company.

3. Set up a "poison pill" clause, so the company is responsible for any debt incurred, not you.

4. Borrow more printed loot, and pay yourself millions with it.

5. Wring out the target company for all it's worth, fire people, close locations, get rid of pensions, slash worker pay, cut benefits, etc.

6. If the company survives, you are a "success". If it ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 5:19 PM
Phil said... I find it very difficult to believe that most people on the East End would have looked into that DNC audience and saw themselves. If they did, I have to move. "

Almost all white faces at th RNC.
A better representation of what Leon would be comforatable ( I think he meant comfortable) with.

for what seems like the 50th time...Its not you skin color we have a problem with its you ideology
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Sep 27, 12 4:43 PM
Hmmm...

Ideology...

"IN READING THE HISTORY OF NATIONS, we find that, like individuals, they have their whims and their peculiarities; their seasons of excitement and recklessness, when they care not what they do. We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the ...more
Sep 27, 12 6:22 PM appended by Mr. Z
Some in clandestine companies combine; Erect new stocks to trade beyond the line; With air and empty names beguile the town, And raise new credits first, then cry 'em down; Divide the empty nothing into shares, And set the crowd together by the ears. ~ Defoe
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 6:22 PM
@ razza:

Remember this?

The flaw in your insult is that there can be no "economic Utopia". That defies any understanding of basic human psychology, like the assumption that the market can regulate itself without any oversight, or regulation. Pure anarchy is not possible, because most people who attain power are hardly altruistic, rarely civllly moral, virtuous, or scrupulous. If the economic engine known as Wall St. was in any way altruistic any longer, we wouldn't have crises, ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 6:57 PM
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I never claimed economic utopia was even close to being feasably possible. I never claimed that over sight and regulation were not important. .
Your point about the reinstatement of Glass Seagal is a valid one with merit. The problem I have is you are a chronic whiner and complainer who offers no solutions. We have a fiat based economy (for better or worse) because the gold standard did not work and all other countries have fiat based economy. We switched to fiat based economy and maintained ...more
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 28, 12 7:22 AM
Phil the fact that you even liked Phil's comment shows how clueless you are? Your boy Obama should be kissing Bernakes back side
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 28, 12 8:00 AM
Remember?

Zglad to hear you can run the country better than anyone else has previously. Hypotheical...You are now in charge of the US economy. What is your solution for economic Utopia

razza5350 (1268), East Hampton on Feb 21, 12 9:59 AM

If you look over the CBO data, and I unfortunately cannot put up a photo of the graphs here, the only groups whose incomes have increased, and whose SHARE of income has increased significantly are the top 20% of income earners since ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 28, 12 4:57 PM
AGAIN. I'll go back to my original point. You offer NOTHING but whining and complaining. For better or worse every country on earth has a fiat based economy. If there was a better way I'm sure at least one country would have implemented it by now. The US has maintained a fiat based economy since the early 70's because the resource based economy (gold) was failing miserably. As far as wealth disparity.. That is not the Feds role. The QE3 easy was used to help ease the credit market and keep interest ...more
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Sep 29, 12 9:22 AM
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By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 29, 12 1:08 PM
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way too much time on your hands. get a job.
By xtiego (696), bridgehampton on Sep 27, 12 7:05 PM
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By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 27, 12 7:08 PM
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Hmmmm . . . . .

"Get back to work" and "get a job" within four posts of each other.

Nice mature conversation here!

The full moon is tomorrow night, maybe that explains it?

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Sep 28, 12 4:18 PM
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I enjoyed this paragraph by Tim Dickinson today. All you Reaganites be warned, you may not like the end...

"The GOP legislation awaiting Romney's signature isn't simply a return to the era of George W. Bush. From abortion rights and gun laws to tax giveaways and energy policy, it's far worse. Measures that have already sailed through the Republican House would roll back clean-air protections, gut both Medicare and Medicaid, lavish trillions in tax cuts on billionaires while raising taxes ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 8:44 PM
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Ibid. Tim dickenson is a progressive American political correspondent and blog author. Based in of San Fransisco he is best known for his opinion pieces with rolling stones magazine. He also has served as editor of mother jones magazine. Mother Jones magazine was named after Mary Harris jones. Miss jones was part of the social democratic party and the socialist party of America....yeah I'm real worried.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 1, 12 6:12 AM
Was Teddy Roosevelt a "Socialist" too?
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 1, 12 6:29 AM
You were not quoting Teddy Roosevelt. You were quoting an op ed piece from a writer with severe leftest roots and you did not disclose that important fact. Lets be fair If I quoted something from Michael Savage or some far right op ed piece you would rip it to shreads
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 1, 12 10:18 AM
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Wasn't TR a Progressive? Yeah, I thought so. Come into electronics after Black Friday. I'll sell you a wide angle lens.

And, you obviously know nothing about "Mother Jones". That woman had everything in her life taken from her not once, but TWICE and still managed to love the world.

"Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living." .
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 1, 12 9:40 PM
Mr Z, I read it before the edit and LMAO. I don't think you have too much time on your hands. That is a lazy response. I don't always agree with your politics but no one can argue that you don't bring it.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Sep 29, 12 9:48 PM
Thanks, much appreciated.

"Whoever cultivates the golden mean avoids both the poverty of a hovel and the envy of a palace."

~ Horace
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 12:05 PM
I don't know the percentage but there is a fair amount that are parasites and with all this pre voting crap going on around the country there is plenty of time for some " Community Organizer " to drive multiple parasites to the polling place or "Phil" out there forms for them and have them sign there name in return for a carton of cigs.
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Sep 29, 12 10:22 PM
Never said that. I would drive Alan West, Mia Love, Condi Rice, JC Watts, Bill Cosby,Deneen Borelli,Angela McGlowan,Peter Boulware,Michael Steele,Larry Elder,Joseph C. Phillips,Armstrong Williams,Clarence Thomas,Amy Holmes,my neighbor Troy,Ron Christie,Niger Innis,Ken Blackwell,Alan Keyes or Thomas Sowell to polling place any day!
You should really consider teaming up with us because "a mind is a terrible thing to waste"
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Oct 1, 12 1:56 AM
What a lot of hateful people there are around here. I have friends from all sides of the political spectrum. We don't taunt each other, we don't use terms like "dummycrat" or "repuke" or "libtard." We don't go for slurs of any kind. We treat politics like religion. I've got mine, you've got yours and some people have none. It's not my place or your place to disparage over politics or religion. We're not going to change each others minds, so why bother with things like hateful graffiti? What matters ...more
By btdt (435), water mill on Sep 30, 12 6:18 PM
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"ballot box"

Good one! ("ballet box")
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 6:07 AM
Why do so many find the belief that around 150,000,000 Americans are no good, and lazy more enticing...

Rather than around 400 are far too greedy?

Thanks to "We survived Bush. You will survive Obama."
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Sep 30, 12 8:50 PM
While you certainly do your research and articulate your position well ZZ, your class envy brightly shines through.
By bigfresh (4309), north sea on Oct 1, 12 7:15 AM
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If you think it's class envy, you really are more ignorant than I ever believed...

By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 1, 12 4:39 PM
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Ditto -- Z's posts do not reflect class envy, especially as applied to the prospect of Romney the Automaton ("AutoRom") being elected.

The growing economic hardships faced by what we call the lower and middle classes continue to grow, and would likely grow faster and deepen, under a Republican administration, in my personal opinion.
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 6:46 PM
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"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."

Anatole France
The Red Lily, 1894
By PBR (4911), Southampton on Oct 1, 12 6:48 PM
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Just a hunch, After reading some of your posts I must ask. Does Philathome a nick name for Phylis at home? Has anyone ever asked?
By They call me (2674), southampton on Oct 1, 12 5:56 PM
No I was being sincere we have always suspected you Mr Z and Progress now were the same people. So why not the possibility you are a women. Your barbaric stand on the extermination of baby's in the womb seems to support a modern working womens belief system, So I was just curious. For real.
By They call me (2674), southampton on Oct 2, 12 12:25 AM
"far too greedy"? How is that statement not reflective of class envy ZZZ?
I don't remember Romney saying those not paying FEDERAL INCOME TAXES are no good, or lazy. But there are those among us who should be paying SOMETHING, but do not. IMHO we all should pay something in Federal Income taxes, be it the retirees, single mothers, or anyone receiving any income, if not those who are being procuctive are the victims of descriminaton.DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC, more true now than ever before, gotta ...more
By bigfresh (4309), north sea on Oct 2, 12 7:09 AM
I've looked at the numbers, and the massive gap of socioeconomic disparity which has yawned wide since 1979. It's simple arithmetic, logic, and a knowledge of historic economic conditions, of which you are quite obviously ragingnly ignorant. We've got a degree of disparity not seen in a CENTURY, and all the money was printed from thin air. Maybe you just need to manage your time better, and read more...


The simple minded
And the uninformed
Can be easily led astray
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By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 7:31 AM
Here we go again. More whining and complaining. Im going to work to grab me some fiat based currency. You should do the same.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 2, 12 9:20 AM
Almost 2,400 people who received unemployment insurance in 2009 lived in households with annual incomes of $1 million or more, according to the Congressional Research Service.

The report was released after about 1.1 million people exhausted their jobless benefits during the second quarter of 2012, when more than 4.6 million filed initial unemployment claims. Eliminating those payments to high earners is one idea being considered as U.S. lawmakers struggle to curb a projected $1.1 trillion ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 3:29 PM
What percentage of the overall tax revenue does the top 10% pay? I'll tell you. Its over 70%. a staggaring number. So you want people to pay into a system where they are paying the majority of the cost but if they want the benefits they can't get it. Sounds fair.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 2, 12 4:42 PM
Right.

And just how much of the nation's income does that 3.5 million people take home?

I'll give you a hint, it's just short of HALF. That's right, 10% of the nation, usurps over 45% of the nation's yearly "earnings". In fact, a full 2/3 (66%, 231M people) of this nation splits up about 22% of the yearly national income, and makes less than 50K a year.

Wake up fool.
Oct 2, 12 5:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, that percentage for 231M people of this nation DROPPED in 2010, from 25% in 2009. The top earners increased their share for the same period. The share for the 500K+ "earners" increased by 1.1% during the same period. You won't see 2011 numbers until this Spring.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 5:14 PM
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What numbers?
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Oct 2, 12 7:57 AM
CBO data, charted over the course of the last thirty odd years. It clearly shows a roughly 147% increase in the top 1% of income earner's salaries.

Conversely, the data clearly also shows a 27% increase for the top 20% over the decades, and a DECLINE of 8 - 20% for everyone else.

Google: income-us 1979 - 2007 CBO

That will get you an article, and clicking images in the left column will get you the graphs,

If people think all that loot is earned, I've got a case ...more
Oct 2, 12 3:38 PM appended by Mr. Z
type-o: 8-30% decline for everyone else.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 3:38 PM
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Another good book, possibly a "must read":

"Who stole the American Dream", by Hedrick Smith
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 4:38 PM
Barack Hussein Obama Born August 4, 1961, either in Kenya or Honolulu, Hawaii) was elected the 44th President. Promoted heavily by liberal progressives, as demonstrated by his unjustified receipt of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, Obama won the presidency despite a short and unremarkable political career with the help of the Unions and lamestream media. The same media that promoted Obama as a great orator, But in reality is he relies almost entirely on teleprompters for his speeches and press conferences,.
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Oct 2, 12 5:20 PM
Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt's speech in his jacket pocket what saved his life? Well, that and his eyeglass case.

Wait, that must be what they used before teleprompters!

PEN AND PAPER!

WOW!
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 5:36 PM
Under Obama's mismanagement of the economy and what seems like endless stimulus plans, the U.S. credit rating was, for the first time in its history, Downgraded. The emperor-has-no-clothes reality is that the debates would be meaningless if Barack Hussein Obama could stand on his record and boast his administration had ushered in an era of low unemployment, surging economic growth, reasonable gas prices and rising prosperity for the American family. But unless you are one of the people who are ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Oct 2, 12 5:27 PM
This country has FAILED, whether you accept it, or not.

Failed economically, failed in eductation, failed in health care, failed in infrastructure, failed in body leadership; the list goes on, and on, and on, and on.

To pin it all on one man, is just plumb idiotic. But then again, Charles Mackay was spot on in "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds" There's no greater spectacle to behold, than the power of propaganda, and the mob.
Oct 2, 12 5:45 PM appended by Mr. Z
Grassley Turning Up Heat on Geithner Over LIBOR Scandal
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 2, 12 5:45 PM
Z if you hate this country so much why don't you just move. Sweden has proven to be a pretty successful welfare state. Of late it has had a robust economy, very high taxes and is one of the leading countries for economic equality. I will even pitch in for your one way ticket.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 3, 12 6:18 AM
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There is a difference between freedom, and anarchy.

It's a shame you can't see the difference.
Oct 3, 12 7:18 AM appended by Mr. Z
You may also want to teach yourself the meaning of the word "arisocracy", but I doubt you are capable of identifying it in modern American society. However, I hopefully could be mistaken...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 3, 12 7:18 AM
@ phil:

You may be right. I just might understand what Plutocracy, Plutarchy, or Plutonomy is. That's the last thing that the aristocracy wants these days. Citizens who are capable of critical thought, sifting through empirical data, and realizing how badly 2/3 of this country has been screwed in the last thirty years by a government that abandoned it's core values. I'll take a public servant, over a politician any day. A great part of our country's problem is that we have a lack of ...more
Oct 3, 12 7:44 AM appended by Mr. Z
Don't forget to check out ZeroHedge sometime...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 3, 12 7:44 AM
YOU LIE! First Obama passed a mammoth Obamacare bill so fast that even members of Congress — much less the general public — didn’t have time to read it. Who ever heard of a more ludicrous statement than Nancy Pelosis " We have to pass the bill so we can find out whats in it"
It was by no means posted on the Internet for days before the vote, as promised.
The Constitution of the United States requires transparency as well. When people are nominated by a president to become ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Oct 3, 12 9:55 AM
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Mr Z. If you do go please take your alter ego and its 3286 bits of progressive propaganda with you!
By They call me (2674), southampton on Oct 3, 12 12:27 PM
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Where else in this world could Republicans be against a plan created by a Republican in Massachussets, implemented by Republicans in Massachussets, and now that he's running for President and it was passed Federally by an opposing Democrat, now the plan is "bad".

Only in America, folks...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 6:25 AM
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Romney just handed Obummer a major beat down. Going to enjoy this for awhile.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 12 11:28 PM
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Congratulations, Real Razza, Captn,TCM,Big Fresh,dnice,xtiego, RealityFirst, itsamazing.Dan27,,Leon789,UN,,loading...,This just in,, Mr. Snerdley, shampton, SagHarborBob, kaluss and the rest of the patriots on this site.

Tonight we won a battle in the war to get our country back on the right track. Without his TelePrompter and press shielding, This corrupt Manchurian candidate from origins unknown was exposed. Proving him to be the EMPTY SUIT we know he is. Developing...
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Oct 4, 12 12:52 AM
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"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

~ Samuel Johnson
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 6:21 AM
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You know Romney did well if Phil of all people gives him credit. I missed most of the debate but caught the post game chatter. The look on Maddow and his sister Chrissy hayes' faces were priceless
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 4, 12 11:54 AM
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ROMNEY: "What would I cut from spending? Well, first of all, I will eliminate all programs by this test, if they pass it: Is the program so critical it's worth borrowing money from China to pay for it?"

THE FACTS: China continues to be portrayed by Romney and many other Republicans as the poster child for runaway federal deficits. It's true that China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, but it only represents about an 8 percent stake. And China has recently been decreasing its holdings, ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 12:18 PM
Frankly, neither impress me.

CTD.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 8:18 PM
Good Morning Joe, Thank you, and please enjoy the day . I know I will.
By They call me (2674), southampton on Oct 4, 12 8:50 AM
Two more to go.

For Romney's sake he better not be more arrogant, and overconfident than usual...
Oct 4, 12 10:59 AM appended by Mr. Z
FYI: Pathological liar KO'ed in third round, no chance to recover...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 10:59 AM
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The fact checkers are here. Mitt Romney told 27 lies in 38 minutes, quite an impressive collection of falsifications -- even for him.
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 12:58 PM
Holy Cow, even now you can't admit that Obama got owned. How come Obama wasn't smart enough to call Mitt on these "lies"?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 12 2:59 PM
Yet the Messiah had no retort. Why do you think that is?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 12 7:38 PM
Yeah, ok Phil. Thats the best answer you have for why he was unprepared?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 12 8:55 PM
Didn't have anything better to do? Retirement in Hawaii will be good for him.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 12 2:01 PM
It's the best of three.

Let's see how things go...
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 6:06 PM
I had to check out PMSNBC after the azzzwhupping and Rachel Madcow was fit to be tied, along witht hte rest of the Obam boot lickers. Face the fact o Leftists of 27 East, your boy got his butt handed to him. As long as the focus remains on his dismal record and Mitt's business and gubernatorial successes and not fabricated B S from the lame stream media, the jig is up, Bo will go.
By bigfresh (4309), north sea on Oct 4, 12 6:47 PM
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Hey, is "Romneycare" one of his successes?

O,r was it the overrides on his vetoes?
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 8:35 PM
Phil, stop playing the racial card. That is some lame debating. If I call Romney my boy, am I a racist? Stop trying to deflect.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 12 9:00 PM
Your the only person I see here playing the race card week after week. Grow up,We are all Americans. People like you and Local 84 give people like me a bad persona.I am happy to be in a country were I can earn a living and if I work hard enough do better than the guy next door. You should come from a country like mine and you would see the socialism you crave is a horrible life, but guys like you are happy as long as everyone is equally poor. You are a envious individual and you jealousy will destroy ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1929), southampton on Oct 5, 12 9:34 PM
Phil, You are the ultimate race baiting hypocrite, Go to Real Clear Politics and check out the video of independent pollster Frank Luntz and Bill the hater Maher and tell me why the progressive hero can use the words "your boy" when discussing Romney with Mr. Luntz ?
Oct 6, 12 7:39 PM appended by joe hampton
But I must say I did get a kick out of Bill Maher's other comment gone viral since the debate. Maher on Debate: Looked Like Obama 'Took My Million and Spent It All on Weed’
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Oct 6, 12 7:39 PM
Laughable , A lot of words and no sensible explanation for you hypocrisy.
Oct 7, 12 10:18 AM appended by joe hampton
I gave yo a list of People I support who are not "White" last week. you just do not like the list . You prefer Jayz,Snoop,Chris Rock and KanyeWest...Me I prefer Alan West. I do not see color only character.Thanks for playing.
By joe hampton (3341), south hampton on Oct 7, 12 10:18 AM
you are a sicko
By They call me (2674), southampton on Oct 7, 12 6:02 PM
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What a coincidence I don't waste my time responding to you anymore.
A review of your past raciest comments tell us all we need to know about your poisoned kool aid absorbing progressive ideological half brain.
By 27dan (2695), Southampton on Oct 7, 12 11:25 PM
Speaking of not being any more arrogant than usual there Z, it was nice to see our narcissistic untouchable president brought down a peg or two. He had it all working, the shaking of the head, the bewildered look on his face, the jaw bone clenching... he wanted to reach across the podium and give that rich, successful, suburbanite Christian a good ol’ Obama Chicago-style whoopin’. For certain, the Chicago-style politics will be in full force next go round.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Oct 4, 12 7:10 PM
Hey joe, here is a brilliant man:

Homeless Billionaire Nicolas Berggruen Chooses To Live Simply

“Everybody is different and I think that we live in a material world. But for me, possessing things is not that interesting. Living in a grand environment to show myself and others that I have wealth has zero appeal. Whatever I own is temporary, since we’re only here for a short period of time. It’s what we do and produce, it’s our actions, that will last forever. ...more
By Mr. Z (11276), North Sea on Oct 4, 12 8:55 PM
<---- Thats a nice story,but while I am here I would like the gas price to go back to where it was four years ago. since I will not be giving up my SUV for a lol "Smart car"
By 27dan (2695), Southampton on Oct 5, 12 9:58 PM
What makes him so brilliant? Sounds like an eccentric man. Im assuming this man is not married, has no kids and inherited his wealth. You dont specify how much he is leaving to charity but what is noblier leaving your money to the GVT or leaving it a charitable organization or non profit? Helping to find the cure for cancer or feeding the pig.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Oct 5, 12 6:56 AM
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bay street, sag harbor,