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Apr 6, 2010 4:52 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Congressman Bishop prepares for difficult race but remains hopeful for outcome

Apr 6, 2010 4:52 PM

U.S. Representative Tim Bishop made a quiet visit to East Hampton on Monday night, speaking to a group of dedicated Democrats and a handful of independents at the Windmill Village affordable housing development.

Mr. Bishop, who was invited by the East Hampton Town Democratic Committee, described what he foresees as a difficult campaign season and why he is hopeful he will pull ahead of the many contenders vying for his seat.

“It’s probably easier to count the number of people that are not running against me than those that are,” he said. There are potentially 10 candidates running against Mr. Bishop for his 1st Congressional District seat, he said, and at least five “are to be taken very seriously,” including Christopher Cox, who he considered the top contender among his opponents.

Jeanne Frankl, a member of the East Hampton Democratic Committee, said the group wanted to keep Mr. Bishop’s visit under wraps to avoid the Tea Party demonstrations he has been facing recently at other public appearances. Mr. Bishop said he is dismayed by the political climate around the country and reflected locally—one he said that continues to get more partisan and more contentious, and which will make for a difficult campaign season.

“I really lament the fact that our discourse has gotten to the point that it has become really hard to have a civil conversation with someone who you might have a difference of opinion with,” he said. “We have to find a way to rise above this.”

Mr. Bishop said heading into his campaign he will continue to define himself as a “bipartisan or nonpartisan problem-solver,” and he believes his office has become a coordinating body for several levels of government—especially in instances involving the federal and state Emergency Management agencies, with which Mr. Bishop said he has coordinated inlet dredging and beach repair projects along the South Shore of Long Island.

When asked by someone in the crowd of about 50 people what he felt were his biggest accomplishments to date, Mr. Bishop highlighted his personal connection to his constituents and his ability to problem solve on a case-by-case basis, citing “thousands and thousands” of constituents whose individual needs his office has met.

“Can you give us some examples?” the woman wanted to know.

Mr. Bishop was saved from praising himself—which he said he feels uncomfortable doing—by Amagansett resident Rona Klopman, who said that coincidentally, she attended the meeting that night on the advice of a stranger who told her members of Mr. Bishop’s office had helped her solve a personal problem. Ms. Klopman said she had become increasingly stressed over the past week upon finding out that her insurance company did not find any water damage in her Beach Hampton home although the flooding from the recent rainfall had destroyed two furnaces, she said.

Ms. Klopman said when she was sharing her distress at a yoga class that morning, the woman next to her said, “You really ought to go to Tim Bishop.”

Ms. Klopman asked Mr. Bishop what East End residents could do to rectify the problems the flooding had caused when they were too small to be noticed by institutions like FEMA that have the financial means to aid them in their recovery.

Mr. Bishop, who said he was with the regional administrator of FEMA that morning touring the severely flooded neighborhoods in Riverhead, outlined three steps for Ms. Klopman and others in the same situation; he said the first step is to notify the municipality—in this case East Hampton Town officials—the second is to notify the insurance company, and the third is for the municipality as a whole to appeal to FEMA.

Mr. Bishop also defended some of his recent decisions that he predicted his opponents would try to use against him during the race, including his votes for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the stimulus bill and the recent health care reform act.

“These are a handful of issues that I think will be used against me,” he said. “But if I had to vote again, I’d vote the exact same way a thousand times over.”

Mr. Bishop took questions on health care, job creation and climate change. He mentioned bills that have passed in the House of Representatives, including two that would create jobs nationally and one on climate change, but that are held up in the Senate. He expressed a firm belief in a clean energy future for the United States and suggested that investing in clean energy would create “millions of jobs” that are currently going to countries like China that have already made strides in that area.

“These are the things I think the government has to do and then we can let the marketplace take over,” he said.

He said the problems with the economy are so dire that the federal government’s role in the nation’s recovery is far from over.

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Timmy is "dismayed". If you keep ramming things down people's throats what does he want us to be happy. He is so clueless he will probably be dismayed when he is voted out
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 7, 10 1:37 PM
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We need Mr. Bishop so that the East End does not come completely overwhelmed by neocon-teabaggers! Fight the good fight, Tim and your supporters will follow!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 7, 10 1:54 PM
It will be a tough fight, Tim, but we will fight for you and a future of continued thoughtfulness, compassion and curiosity.
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Apr 7, 10 2:00 PM
My question is why did you email me you were against the health care bill ,than a week later you sold us out????
GOOD BYE TIM
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Apr 7, 10 2:13 PM
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See ya', Timmy. What's your next career move?
By Dayo (33), Sag Harbor on Apr 7, 10 3:04 PM
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I wish I knew he was in around, I would have liked to have asked him a few questions. Sad thing is I live just around the corner, I could have walked to where he was speaking. I am just so very disappointed with how things are when your congressman actually works harder to avoid people than doing the work he is supposed to do. I mean really, does he expect to just avoid people who may disagree with him and not face their questions?
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Apr 7, 10 5:32 PM
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I think the man has to keep his movements quiet because otherwise a large noisy crowd of tea baggers shows up to wave signs, yell and celebrate out in front. I saw them in action and didn't feel comfortable passing through them to get somewhere to hear Con. Bishop. I didn't vote for Bishop, but I sure won't vote for whoever those nutty tea bag people endorse.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Apr 7, 10 7:08 PM
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Congressman Bishop continues to fight for Eastern Long Island! I
He has my vote and the votes of many others....keep up the good work Congressman!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 7, 10 8:26 PM
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what's that LASSIE? Timmy fell in the well? of course it's all about poor Timmy and his tough choices he's had to make for THE PEOPLE. But he'd do it all over again. NOT if folks like myself vote you into retirement this November. TIMMY, WHY DON'T YOU GO FALL IN A WELL?
By uncleronk (136), southold on Apr 8, 10 11:08 AM
Bye bye Bishop!!!
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Apr 8, 10 11:52 AM
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First, I have to response to the comment by Templer to compare Congressmen Bishop, to a pedophile, is outrageous, and sets a tone of discourse that is both disrepectful and shameful.
Given that, I had the opportunity to work for Mr. Bishop while he was the provost at Southampton College. During that time, he and his wife, devoted their life to keeping the college afloat, Mrs. Bishop developed a program for children at the college. Meanwhile, during my tenue there, he held the highest ideals ...more
By Celtic (7), Amagansett on Apr 9, 10 8:06 AM
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templar, You should seek help, immediately.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 9, 10 10:31 AM
Celtic, As far as Mr Bishop devoting his life to keep the college afloat. I guess he failed on that one.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 9, 10 3:30 PM
What is this debate about cowardice? Immaterial. He is not a soldier going to Afghanistan who needs to be brave. He is a politician devoid of ideas, purpose and charisma; I am sure we can do better than this. Can we elect someone with ideas this time rather than a party hack? Too many Republicans and Democrats just seem to wander around in a daze waiting for handouts from lobbyists. I guess you don't need a lot of imagination to do that. Stop playing off each other and use your brain.
By realdeal (23), Southampton on Apr 9, 10 9:56 AM
How many times did George W. Bush speak in front of a hand-picked, carefully screened crowd? A lot. Entirely apart from security considerations, ole Dubya didn't like unfriendly audiences one little bit. If he'd been exposed to a quarter of the abuse Tim Bishop has weathered lately, George W. Bush would have run home to Crawford and stayed there for a month, sort of like he did while New Orleans was drowning.

Say, Templar, it's more than a little inconsistent for you to speak of having ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 9, 10 2:00 PM
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George Bush is no longer president. Hasnt been for over a year now. To say Bush had to deal with 1/4 of the abuse Bishop took is laughable
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 9, 10 3:33 PM
What's laughable, Razza, is that you apparently can't read, or choose to distort what you read. I didn't say Pres. Bush had to deal with a quarter of the abuse Rep. Bishop has taken; I wrote that IF Bush had been exposed to that level of abuse, he would have run home to Crawford, etc. Moreover, the fact that Mr. Bush is no longer president (really?), is entirely beside the point.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 9, 10 3:48 PM
Templar, there is really nothing to be gained by the type of hatred and anger exhibited in two of your previous comments. I appreciate that you have the guts to admit it was over the top. The current political discourse is not helpful. You say "this is not how our system is supposed to work." I respectfully disagree. Mr. Bishop is a duly-elected representative. The people voted him into office to do exactly what he has been doing, and that includes voting yes for health care.

As for ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Apr 10, 10 4:11 PM
Templar, I know people have beaten up on Geo. W. Bush mightily, but I was talking about direct audience abuse, which is a type he didn't face very much. You and I may disagree, but I respect and appreciate your frank admission that your comments might be viewed as coarse and uncalled for. Look at the general run of comments on this site (my own included), and you'll see you're not alone in that.

I also sympathize, very much, with your need to vent -- same here. I just had to smile ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 9, 10 4:59 PM
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By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 11, 10 7:40 AM
Yes, AlwaysLocal, "direct audience abuse". Look back at my first post on this, Apr. 9 at 2:00 PM, and it's pretty easy to see from the context that I'm talking about direct audience abuse, and not about "overall criticism", as you put it. Of course, you don't read these things with a great deal of care, since you're preoccupied with making up a vulgar comeback. I note you don't have any response to the substance of what I said, about Tim Bishop's frequent meetings and the many good points of ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 11, 10 1:25 PM
Razza, you statement about Tim Bishop keeping southampton afloat, speaks to your lack of knowledge about the Long Island University System Southampton campus was managed during Mr. Bishop's tenue as provost Please remember, the campus at the time of Mr. Bishop leadership, provided numerous employment opportunity for local resdents, It was Tim who I believe was behind the first U.S. Open golf tour in the early 80's at Shinncock Hill,resulting in an influx of tourist dollars and jobs again for ...more
By Celtic (7), Amagansett on Apr 9, 10 6:10 PM
Celtic......Some real facts. The US Open shut out most of the community unless you had a ticket to attend. Our shops in the village were a dead quiet that week as everyone avoided the crowds. I remember bus loads of people being driven to and from parking lots in Suffolk. I remember single lane strangled highways and coned off roads in and around Tuckahoe. Another fact is in the 70's I remember Tim Bishops father-in-law was the Dean (Burke) of the dilapidated college.
By gallerygirl (29), southampton on Apr 9, 10 6:51 PM
gallery girl..... what nobody buying your paintings?the point is the character, intergrity of the man not the 70's; as far as the strangled highways, I think that still a problem out there in 2010 and beyond, you have those concerts, at Maurders, than the Hampton Classic, etc, no highway clogging
Just aside, the artist that was comission to paint the poster for the us open is from Bohemia, that is up island. Things must be tough for gallery owners/artists all the competition out there ...more
By Celtic (7), Amagansett on Apr 9, 10 8:33 PM
Just an observation that none of you seem to picked up on.. Tim Bishop has a zillion opponents. In fact, there isn't a day that someone comes out of the woodwork announcing they are running against Bishop. I'm even thinking of doing it.

The only thing better than that is having no opponents, at all.
By Integrity Party Guy (26), Riverhead on Apr 9, 10 10:22 PM
Actually, I meant that every day somebody announces they are running against Bishop. How many do we have so far? 9? 10? 11?
By Integrity Party Guy (26), Riverhead on Apr 9, 10 10:24 PM
Since Lil' Tim is a Demokrat Party hack, he will go down in flames this November along with a host of his comrades. While our nation needed a change, the Obama Regime has dragged us down the road to ruin faster than anyone thought possible, all in the name of change. We need to stand up against Marxism and vote out every single congressman and senator that voted to pass Dear Leader's takeover of our health care system. With enough anit-Marxists in the next congress, it will be possible to de-fund ...more
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Apr 10, 10 12:21 PM
Once again, bigfresh is highly entertaining. You're not one of Colbert's writers, are you?
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 10, 10 3:44 PM
It is not the Marxists you need to fear, but your own fascism and that of your far right party, Il Bigfresh
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 10, 10 10:10 PM
From Newsweek magazine and important article about where we are

Hate - Antigovernment extremists are on the rise—and on the march

http://www.newsweek.com/id/236202?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newsweek%2FTopNews+%28UPDATED+-+Newsweek+Top+Stories%29
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Apr 10, 10 5:05 PM
The Tea Party movement is a joke. They took some liberatrian economic views, while all the time supporting a dictatorial, imperialistic warfare state. That is not Liberty and the Founding Fathers would be appalled.
By TheGoodLife (38), Westhampton Beach on Apr 10, 10 5:27 PM
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Although I believe the tea partists to be closely aligned to libetarian views I would by no means consider them a joke. They are very real with a strong following that can affect political outcomes. I will take them any day of the week over the promotion of big gvt and further entitlements on the backs of the working class. I also believe the founder fathers would have favored tea party activists over the so called far left
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 10, 10 8:18 PM
razza5350, please give us a concrete example of a new entitlement and how it is "on the backs of the working class". You know who benefits most from health care reform? The working class. You know who will NOT see a tax increase because of health care reform? The working class. You know who benefits from our private insurance based system? Insurance barons. You know who is abused by out private insurance based system? The middle class. When did it become OK to abandon intelligent, rational ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 10, 10 10:20 PM
How does the working class benefit from THIS health reform plan. Please enlighten me. I am sure you will give me the usual watered down bullett points from moveon.org.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 9:33 AM
Tell you what, Razza, you answer my question and I will delightedly answer yours citing any number of sources that you'll never find acceptable.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 10:33 AM
Thought I had answered your question? Guess you don't feel there is any entitlement provisions with in the health care bill
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 11:26 AM
Razza, I will assume you are middle class, working individual so let's put this in terms of you: please tell me how you will be paying for the health care bill and please site the specific aspect of the legislation that you are quoting.

In the meantime, I will tell you that currently every single American pays over a thousand dollars a year as part of your private insurance premium to cover the uninsured. A cost you will no longer have to bear.

In addition, if you make under ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 1:10 PM
This is my last reply to you frankly because our conversation is pointless. I will diregard your comment about me not having to pay the 1000 a year to cover uninsureds any longer because it is ridiculous and stick with the original question. Your orginal question was give me an example of an entitlement plan and how it was on the backs of the working class. My reply was health care. As to cost to the working class, throw out all the left and right propoganda for a secound and use comon sense. If ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 2:03 PM
Razza, you are being intellectually dishonest. I know you feel that health care reform is an entitlement, but what I asked is for you to please explain how that "entitlement" is being borne on the backs of working class people. You did not answer it, perhaps because you cannot because the truth is quite different from what you would like others to believe. I provided you with a real world calculator provided by the Washington Post - a conservative newspaper - and the indisputable fact which, again, ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 3:23 PM
One last point, this program is actually paid for. Something the right could not say for eight years.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 3:24 PM
Guess you don't understand common sense. Do you really think people making over 250 k will pay for all of this. How about the increased payroll tax? How about the cadaliac tax? How about the increased taxes to employers? Don't you think that will indirectly affect the working class? FYI to say Medicaid operates at 30% less than private insurance. Medicaid and Medicare are losing billions every year and adding to the debt. You can not compare the private and public sector because the private sector ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 7:55 PM
Razza....a bit of Constitutional history.
OUR founding fathers created the United States Constitution in order to correct the problems of the Articles of Confederation which was a central government so weak and ineffective that the nation was falling apart and on the verge of economic collapse. The nation had 3,929,214 people with 94% living in rural areas.
Included in the US Constitution are mechanisms for flexibility and growth to meet the needs of changing times namely the amending process ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 10, 10 10:07 PM
Your are right on a number of points, SHNATIVE, most importantly the fact that the US Constitution was indeed a document of unheard of progressive/liberal ideals. The founding fathers would have seen the pro-corporate right wing as an affront to humanity.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 10, 10 10:24 PM
History according to shnative LOL! Last time I checked my history books the revolution was fought over taxes And the founding fathers favored a limited gvt role
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 9:27 AM
peoplefirst: Please explain how governmental takeover of private industry isn't Marxist. No need to bash conservatism or rsort to name calling, just try to answer factually.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Apr 11, 10 2:56 PM
Here's old bigfresh saying don't do any of that nasty bashing or name calling -- sort of like Tiger Woods singing "I Walk The Line".
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 11, 10 3:47 PM
The government took over a private industry? Insurance in still in the hands of private insurers who have been handed 32 million NEW customers who will be subsidized BY the government. The government is subsidizing private insurance, bigfresh. Private insurers are STILL providing the product and will still be making a profit.

I would love for the government to take private insurers out of the picture. That is called single payer and that is NOT what happened.

Asking me not to ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 7:50 PM
Razza....Like I stated earlier, the Constitution was written to increase the powers of the federal government from an ineffective and weak small government under the Articles of Confederation. Now the limited role thing came about because the 13 states still had to ratify (formally accept) the Constitution. In 1789, the States still held most of the power and would never accept a central government which was more powerful than they, thus the framers were forced to limit government.
Also as ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 11, 10 3:40 PM
Or what? What are you gonna do??
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 7:43 PM
Yeah, right on, Razza! Don't let this egghead talk like that to you. Him and his stupid facts. Push him! He won't push back. Oops, there's the bell -- recess over.
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 11, 10 7:58 PM
yea what facts. Most of the founding father favored an agarian society. The founding fathers were not in favor of GVT having such a stranglehold over people lives. The industrial revolution hadnt yet occurred so its highly unlikely they forsaw the extent of corporate influence AND state GVT was still more promenient. Federal powers did not become more pronounced until after the civil war
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 11, 10 9:14 PM
OK Tim just tell us did you read what you voted for or did you just take a deal behind closed doors??
GOOD BYE TIM
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Apr 12, 10 12:42 AM
Sorry Tim, I forgot you did not need to read it since you have a different health care plan.
YOU ARE A BUM
By sjd (420), Westhampton Beach on Apr 12, 10 12:43 AM
The Obama administration took over GM and the student loan industry. FACT
They are forcing citizens to purchase a product.FACT
If we don't purchase the specified product we will be fined. FACT
Taking over the means of production, part of the banking industry and making the citizens subserviant to the govt. are all Marxist tacticts, add that to Omama's comment about "spreading the wealth around" and it adds up to a frightening assault on the very fabric of our nation.
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Apr 12, 10 6:32 AM
The Obama administration cut banks out of the student loan process where they serves as nothing more than middle men taking billions of dollars in fees that should have gone to students. FACT
No one is being "forced" to purchase insurance. In fact, if you had bothered to study the bill you would see that there are actually NO penalties for remaining uninsured. FACT
There are not fines. If you do not purchase you will not be eligible for tax incentives and breaks but there are no fines. ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 12, 10 8:06 AM
again you are wrong
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 12, 10 9:32 AM
Individual mandate. Effective Jan 1, 2014 all US citiznens and legal residents MUST have health insurance coverage OR PAY A PENALTY. The penalty will be phased in according to the following schedule:
1. in 2014 the GREATER of 95$ or 1%
2. In 2015 the GREATER of 325 or 2% of taxable income
3. In 2016 the greater of 695 or 2.5% of taxable income. After 2016 the penalty will be INDEXED for INFLATION (meaning it will go up)

One could argue as I do that the penalty is not high enough. ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 12, 10 9:26 AM
You are hung up on semantics. The "mandate" means If you or your family aren’t getting health insurance through your job, the government will pay to get you private insurance coverage, just as an employer would. You’ll have to contribute something—but the law guarantees, with specific numbers, that it will be no more than you can afford. It’ll be less than three percent of your paycheck if your family makes $33,000 a year, less than ten percent if you make as much as $88,000. Pre-existing conditions ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 12, 10 9:53 AM
The language written in the bill is "semantics" ? You keep using phrases like "the GVT will pay to get you insurance" "it will be no more than you can afford" and the GVT will still pay for your insurance with the same affordable contribution from you" The Gvt is the people. So you might as well say other people will pay to get you insurance and "semantics" might say that is an entitlement
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 12, 10 10:39 AM
It's obvious that if we cover everybody, or almost everybody, then the folks who don't carry insurance will be getting a free ride, courtesy of the rest of us. They won't be bearing their fair share of the burden. (This is already happening when the uninsured go to emergency rooms for ordinary care, resulting in increased costs and higher premiums for the insured, but put that aside for now.)

Whether you call it a penalty or ineligibility for a tax incentive or anything else, what's ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 12, 10 9:59 AM
Kinda sounds like the system we have now doesnt it except there is no mandate. Only difference is the word free coverage. In Ny state people can BUY inexpensive insurance (@225 per month) wilth state subsidies. People with No coverage are guranteed covergae through Medicaid.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 12, 10 10:43 AM
Assuming that's the situation in New York State, what's to be done about the people in other states? Actually, given what you're saying, it seems like New Yorkers won't be affected much by the mandate, because they have this deal. If that's right, and if you only care about us here in New York, why would you object to the mandate?
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 12, 10 11:47 AM
This bill expands medicaid. Gov paterson has already gone on record as saying this bill will cost Ny billions of dollars. Money that we don't have.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 12, 10 12:09 PM
You're quoting Gov. Paterson? Hah!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 8:59 AM
Tim Bishop is yet another career politician. Obama wanted "change" so let's get some "change" and replace Bishop with Randy Altschuler. When does Bishop start to realize that big government doesn't work? Maybe he should retire early so he has more time to read about the deficits we are creating for the next generations!
By Reinier (1), New York City on Apr 12, 10 3:45 PM
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Where were all you deficit guys when Bush dragged us into a war in Iraq???
Also, does BIG Insurance work? How much money are they making annually?? For the life of me, I do not understand why you tea-baggers are defending insurance companies. They would just assume let you die over a missed initial on page 42 paragraph 6 on a policy that you had paid into for thirty years.
Those insurance companies are chocking the nation...individuals, businesses & municipalities.
Thank god we have ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 8:50 AM
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The teabaggers have been brain-washed by rich, republican, neocons in congress and private enterprise to believe that they too will one day be wealthy beyond their dreams and that when they are, they will need to look out after their own best interests. Sadly, most will remain nothing more than tools of big corporations. An army of the incurious fighting against their own best interests. Just look at their de facto leader - Sarah Palin. That says all you need to know.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 8:58 AM
does BIG GVT work? How much money is the GVT Losing annually running medicare and medicaid. For the life of me I don't understand why you "lefties" are defending big Gvt.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 13, 10 10:16 AM
teabaggers...blah blah blah....neocons.....blah blah blah....Sarah Palin...blah blah blah
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 13, 10 10:17 AM
lefties ... blah blah blah ... founding fathers ... blah blah blah ... Marxists ... blah blah blah
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 13, 10 10:35 AM
Government answers to the people, while the insurance companies answer to no one and they are choking the nation financially.....and you are defending them.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 11:07 AM
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Native that is complete and utter nonsense. in fact you could argue just the reverse. The gvt is the watch dog over insurance. Between lawyers, state insurance department, and regulations you will have recourse. With the gvt their is no watchdog
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 13, 10 12:00 PM
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Templar, Razaa, Captn Cruch, in case you have not noticed, despite the right's hysterical cries of Marxism, we live in a democracy. Our elected officials serve at our pleasure and can be voted out of office or even impeached when warranted. You don't like the current government, vote or even run yourself, but stop all of the nonsense.

Why are you against a soda tax? It is a fact that soda is bad for your health and a leading cause of childhood obesity which costs the taxpayers billions ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 1:40 PM
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Boys, boys, play nice! We're seeing "full and frank discussions" here, as the diplomats put it when their bosses can't agree on anything. Maybe it's just bloody hopeless, maybe no one has a prayer of persuading anyone else that we're even on the same planet, so maybe we just need to have our election contest and see where it comes out. I still think Tim Bishop and the Dems will take this health care thing to the bank when people see how much it helps them, but who knows?
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 13, 10 5:03 PM
Perhaps this is a new thread: Could someone provide a definition of "neo-con" and "teabagger"?
By saggish (8), sag harbor on Apr 13, 10 6:21 PM
Liz Cheney is a neocon. Sarah Palin is a teabagger. Those who adhere to their philosophy of hate and ignorance are teaparty neocons. For a further explanation see the postings of razz, bigfresh, and captn crunch
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 13, 10 9:42 PM
Is everyone having a good time?
By Turkey Bridge (1762), Quiogue on Apr 13, 10 8:52 PM
I actually think this is good. Better people express themselves like this rather than in worse ways. Just my two cents::
1. The Feds can provide some reasonable guidelines for insurance companies to end any abuse so long as they do not become so themselves.
2. There are some legit concerns about government over reach and it would not be fair to try and brush that aside.
3. Some folks are really concerned about how this is going to be paid for and why isn't Congress thighting their ...more
By MickNY (43), East Hampton on Apr 13, 10 10:32 PM
To the supporters of Obamacare: Why is there a penalty for not paying for employee's health insurance? It's just more govt. control of private business!
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Apr 14, 10 6:57 AM
To all teabag enthusiasts: Why do you call mandating the purchase of PRIVATE INSURANCE by 30 million people a "government takeover"?!
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 14, 10 10:04 AM
Year rounder I don't believe he used the word takeover but control. In my opinion whats the difference. If I can control you why not just take you over. FYI Thats exactly what this administration wanted to do until the Scott Brown victory.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 14, 10 10:34 AM
Your childish sarcasm is quite unnecessary. You and your cohorts have been jumping up and down about "socialism" and "government take over" yet you refuse to acknowledge that this health care legislation keeps PRIVATE INSURERS in control.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 14, 10 12:11 PM
BigFresh Trust me I am no fan of ObummaCare and I agree their is way to much GVT control over private business but I do not think your statement is entirely true. My understanding is that groups under 50 employees are not subject to the mandate (that was in the orginal house bill). The language reads Effective Jan1,2014 employers with 50 or more employees who do not provide health insurance to full time employees will face a 2000 per FTE penalty. I don't want to bore you with the rest but it then ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 14, 10 10:27 AM
You can not reduce the cost of care until you take profit out of health insurance - i.e. SINGLE PAYER like every other industrialized democracy in the world ALL of whom provide better care at up to 40% less.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 14, 10 12:13 PM
Yearrounder we go back to the same argument. You are thinking like a freeloader who doesnt pay taxes. Insurance comapnies make a profit. The GVT losses billions each year in Medicare/Medicaid and has trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities. Thats called typical GVT waste and mismangement which will lead to higher taxes. For those of us that DO pay taxes thats more money out of our pockets.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 14, 10 12:30 PM
Again with the personal insults? Is that all you are capable of? Not only do I pay taxes, but I am self-employed and purchase my insurance on the open market from private insurance companies who have raised my rates over 40% in the last five years all the while providing me worse service. I would GLADLY pay an increase in taxes of a few hundred a year to save a few thousand!!

All your side knows is childish insults and ignorance. Despite the fraud which needs to be addressed, Medicare ...more
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 14, 10 12:35 PM
" I would gladly pay an increase in taxes of a few hundred a year to save a few thousand" I hope you are not self employed as an accoutant. You do understand that Medicare LOSES Billions each year and is underfunded by TRILIIONS of dollars. Your self employed status is unfortunate but I would like to remind you that the GVT yes the GVT created that problem with the NY state community rated law in 1992. Blame them.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 14, 10 1:50 PM
Big Fresh I forgot to add that even though Employers under 50 are not subject to the mandate the employees themselves are. The GVt has just shifted the responsibility.
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 14, 10 11:20 AM
Tahnks for the info Razza, we'e not too far apart in our opinions .
By bigfresh (3023), north sea on Apr 14, 10 7:49 PM
I wondered why you two were fighting. You are both clearly far-right whackos!
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Apr 15, 10 2:38 PM
Thanks for your input FCM. If believeing in personal and fiscal responsiblity is your definition of a far right wacko then I am guilty as charged. Just out of curiousity what would you consider yourself then?
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 15, 10 2:52 PM
I am a far left whacko and proud of it.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Apr 15, 10 3:31 PM
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By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 15, 10 4:28 PM
Healthcare law to sock middle class with a 3.9 billion tax increase in 2019--
Taxpayers earning less than 200,000 will pay roughly 3.9 billion more in taxes-in 2019 alone- due to health care reform according to the joint commitee of taxation, congress'e official scorekeeper.
The new law raises 15.2 billion over 10 years by limiting the medical expense deduction (the 7.5% of AGI#), a proviision widely used by taxpayers with a seriuous illness or are older. JCT estimates the deduction limitation ...more
By razza5350 (1860), East Hampton on Apr 16, 10 3:22 PM
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