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Apr 20, 2010 1:51 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Local Tea Party movement holds two rallies on Tax Day

Apr 20, 2010 1:51 PM

EAST HAMPTON—Local members of the Tea Party movement turned out to East Hampton Town Hall in protest on Thursday, April 15, the deadline day for Americans to file their federal tax returns.

Lynda Edwards, an East Hampton resident and head of the local movement, hosted two rallies, one at noon and one at 6 p.m. on the lawn in front of Town Hall. She said 50 to 60 people participated in the afternoon rally and about half that many attended the evening rally, where Ms. Edwards and local Independent Party President Elaine Jones both made speeches.

The Tea Party movement began in 2009 and organized about 800 rallies across the country on April 15, 2009. About the same number was reported to have taken place this year. The movement is made up of citizens who say they want to put the lid on government spending, taxation, and regulation, according to www.teapartypatriots.com.

Ms. Edwards said both the people involved in the movement and the elected officials it targets span the parties.

“I don’t think people here belong to any one group,” she said at the evening rally. “This is for anyone who doesn’t want to continue to pay high taxes.”

She said that last year’s tea party was largely against the McGintee administration, but that this year the focus was more on national change.

“It’s not about one party,” she said. “We know that both parties were involved,” in the financial crisis. She mentioned the billions of dollars in interest that taxpayers are paying for the national debt as one particularly strong grievance.

The grassroots movement takes its named after the 1773 Boston Tea Party, Ms. Edwards said, because members believe the current political climate echoes that which led to the American Revolution.

“After the Boston Tea Party we supposedly have taxation with representation,” she said. “But our representatives don’t listen to us, so we’re going to vote them out of office.”

At the rally, participants lined Montauk Highway displaying American flags and the Tea Party flag, a bright yellow banner with the image of a serpent and the words “Don’t Tread on Me,” and signs with slogans such “Taxed enough already,” “Liberty: all the stimulus we need,” and “Take your hands off my piggy bank.” Other signs specifically targeted health care, and more called for the ousting of U.S. Representative Tim Bishop and President Barack Obama.

A 7-year-old sat on her older sister’s shoulders holding up a sign that read, ‘Bishop—Marxist-in-chief—Puppet.’

John Osterberg, of East Hampton, who brought his daughters to the rally, said he has always voted, but was never very political before the rise of the Tea Party movement. He said he brought his family with him on Thursday in the hope that his daughters would learn the importance of getting involved and speaking their minds.

“I’m tired of being taxed to death,” he said. “We pay a sales tax, property tax, gas tax. I have two kids and they don’t have much of a future.”

Taxes were the main point of contention at Thursday’s rally and the factor that unites different party members involved in the movement. Americans are, however, paying lower taxes this year, according to the Associated Press, but in the next few years they are expected to rise for the wealthy to pay for President Obama’s overhaul of the health care system.

Ms. Jones said she heard reports on the radio earlier that day that called the Tea Party movement radical and racist. She said those reports, along with threats nationwide that the tea parties would be crashed by counter-protesters, were just efforts to dismiss the movement. But Ms. Jones said the fact that Tea Party members come from the Republican, Democratic and Independent parties shows that the movement will persist. Ms. Jones said she was a registered Democrat until 1995, and is now an Independent.

She said the Tea Party movement wants government to reevaluate spending and stop using money it doesn’t have. She said the ultimate goal is to put “responsible people” in government and “to defeat tax and spend politicians at the polls.”

She cited Senator Scott Brown’s victory in Massachusetts as an example of what non-party voters can do, and though conservative Republicans Sarah Palin and Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota are known Tea Party favorites, Ms. Jones said there were not yet specific politicians on her radar.

East Hampton Town Councilwoman Theresa Quigley attended the rally and said she thought many of the Tea Party values echoed those that she campaigned for as a part of Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson’s administration.

“We campaigned for lowering taxes and controlling government spending,” she said. “We have the same philosophy.”

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thanks tea party peeps for reminding me it was 4/15/10. when i saw your signs and flag waving i remembered to rush home and send my additional tax payment to obama. then i sent one to paterson. obama said my taxes would go down, maybe he meant down the drain? well "MAKE NO MISTAKE" "LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR" and "NO DOUBT" OBAMAGEDDON IS UPON US. may we all rest in debt.
By uncleronk (136), southold on Apr 21, 10 9:39 AM
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If you are making under $250,000 your taxes DID go down. That is a fact. If you are making over, then it is about time you pay your fair share.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 11:03 AM
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By PJC (5), Westhampton on Apr 21, 10 11:47 AM
Do you really believe that people making under $250,000 will not see their tax burden increase? There aren't enough wealthy people to cover the enormous increase in federal spending, even if the top tax rate was 95%. The middle class is the only group large enough to generate the amounts of taxation necessary to fund our behemoth federal government.

Whether through a direct increase in income tax rates (unlikely), or through the backdoor of increased "hidden" taxes like cap and trade, ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 12:14 PM
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It does not matter what you "believe" - a fact is a fact. Americans are paying lower taxes under Obama than anytime in the last forty years. Why do you insist upon misstating the facts? I simply cannot understand this insistence upon lying.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:44 PM
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The inevitable tax increases that we will see in the future will more than likely be brought upon by a different president due to the recklessness of the Obama admin. At some point you have to make a payment on your credit card. Obama supporters will never, ever, not even for a second admit to this.

In all likelihood they will blame George W. Bush.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 3:00 PM
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Spread my work ethic. Not my wealth.
By Draggerman (801), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:11 PM
The average tax burden and Tax Freedom Day both measure the average over the whole economy, rather than for any individual. With countless tax credits, bailouts, the recession and yes, there were some tax decrease when BO first took office, they are lower, as defined. But, with W's tax cuts expiring (aka a tax increase), tax increases built into health care, we WILL see increases in the future. Most increases will affect those over $250K, but many under 250K will see them also and will take affect ...more
By Simon (16), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 10:29 PM
The facts simply do not support you rant.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 12:15 PM
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So in 2010 American taxpayers paid LESS in taxes, as a percentage of each dollar made, than in any year since the mid-1970's. But lets not let facts get in the way of this fringe lunacy.
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 10:16 AM
Do you have a source for this, because frankly, I don't belive it's the case for the 50% who actually pay income taxes.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 12:15 PM
With all the press this fact has been getting since tax day it's common knowledge at this point. And its all over the web.Try this for starters: http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/10-inconvenient-truths-for-tax-day
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 3:00 PM
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98 percent of Americans got tax cuts. The richest two percent, well, they didn't. The teabaggers, doing the bidding of America's richest elite, will remain outraged about that injustice.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 11:02 AM
Is it really necessary for you to use that juvenile sexual reference, or is it just easier to toss slurs and repeat easily disprovable propoganda than making a coherant argument? You must have a friend at the SHP, because most of your posts are ad hominem attacks that add little to the debate.
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 12:17 PM
The term "teabagger" was first used in reference to tea party members by tea party members themselves.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:42 PM
Early on in the tea party movement it was decided that those sympathetic to the the party cause should "mail a tea bag to congress" Soon afterward, tea party members began referring to themselves as "teabaggers" and carrying signs that read "teabag congress".

These self-described "teabaggers" may have been unaware of the sexual connotation of that phrase, but they did use it freely and often so I don't see why it should be considered offensive for non-teapartiers to refer to them in ...more
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Apr 21, 10 1:10 PM
Look at the photos: A group of elderly, and probably prosperous, white folks most of whom are no doubt receiving social security and medicare. There taxes are the lowest they've been in decades, but NOW they complain that they are too high? This generation is bankrupting social security and medicare but they are not willing to pay taxes that will save these programs for the next generation.

Selfish and delusional.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 11:06 AM
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So white=bad, nonwhite=good, old=bad, young=good in your mind?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 12:18 PM
You are being childish. Look at the picture, read the latest polls and you will see that tea-partiers are well-educated, well-off, elderly folks who are on social security and medicare but don't want others to enjoy the same.

My post, as you darn well know, was about tea partiers and, specifically those in the pictures accompanying this article. Did I misstate who they are? Look at the photos yourself.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:51 PM
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I see. In what way is race relevant then? Why did you feel the need to point that out? The negative connotation you are making is obvious.

You demonstrate yet more intellectual dishonesty by lumping in "elderly folks who are on social security and medicare but don't want others to enjoy the same." with the results of a poll. Which poll shows that they don't want others to enjoy the same? These people paid huge sums into Social Security and Medicare, which the government appropriated for ...more
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 3:29 PM
No increase in taxes for those making under $250,000. That's a laugh. Perhaps you should all get your facts straight. What about no cost of living increase for the Senior citizens. What about raises in medicare insurance. They tax just about everything we buy. They even now want to tax flavored water and there are fees charged for everything we do and there will be increases. We're not just talking about income taxes. We're talking about waste in government and pork barrel spending. I make ...more
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 21, 10 12:12 PM
Taxes for Americans making under $250,000 are the lowest they have been in forty years. Fact, not opinion. Fact.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:48 PM
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And the debt load is how high? How we paying for it? Huh?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 3:02 PM
You like to change the subject, don't you?
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:07 PM
Debt is paid for w/ taxes = same subject. Stop ignoring it 'cos you are going to be paying for it.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 22, 10 11:28 AM
The poor things don't understand the stimulus package. They don't get that tax credits are also part of it, that it isn't only government spending. Tax credits have "stimulated" millions of people to spend on upgrading their home's efficiency by adding insulation, replacing windows, installing solar, etc., creating jobs while saving oil and power. Plus, some have been able to use a tax credit to help them buy their first homes. I met someone two days ago who's doing just that locally.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:13 PM
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You cannot make these folks understand. Again, at a time when taxes are lower than any other time in the last forty years they are jumping up and down and screaming and yelling about taxes! They are paying much less than they were under their conservative hero Reagan who RAISED taxes.

The tea party movement exists because well-off, well-educated, welll-cared for folks in their 50's - 70's are afraid of a world that is changing before their eyes.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 12:47 PM

The tea party movement exists because well-off, well-educated, welll-cared for folks in their 50's - 70's are afraid of a world that is changing before their eyes.

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Those dang Well-off, well-educated, well-cared for folks. All they ever did was earn money, create jobs and pay the mother-load of the taxes. Why can't they just be quiet and ignore the debt load that is going to blow up in their faces? Tick...tock.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 3:06 PM
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"are afraid of a world that is changing before their eyes.".

In what way?
By RealityFirst (597), Bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 3:31 PM
Take back this country in the fall.....your vote counts and matters
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 21, 10 3:44 PM
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Its fine for people to be mad about how their (our) tax dollars are being spent on the national level (even though the state and local mess is just as bad or worse), and I don't disagree with some of those underlying views (esp. concerning the debt). The problem with the tea party "movement" is evident in the photos, with the signs that the protesters are holding up, including rants about "Marxists in the White House" "blah blah socialism" and the like. These people wouldn't know a marxist if one ...more
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 4:10 PM
What I want to know from the Teabaggers is where do THEY want the cuts to come from??? One thing is screaming about tax-cuts it is another thing to say where to make the program cuts.
If they were more specific about what programs they would cut, the Teabag movement would come to a screaching halt.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 4:47 PM
An excellent point. I saw one tea party leader in an interview and he was pressed on that very question After fumbling around for an answer, he finally said income tax. When it was pointed out to him that our armed services are funded by those very taxes, he was flummoxed.

Everyone wants a strong military, social security and medicare, but they do not want to pay for it. It is selfish of folks to partake of these services but not think of future generations when screaming about taxes. ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 5:14 PM
Perhaps they could start cuts with Hillary Clintons $800,000 dollars worth of glasses that they didn't put out for bid.
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 21, 10 9:20 PM
Start the cuts with Hillary Clintons $800,000 dollars worth of glasses, (drinking glasses) that were not put out to bid. She's blaming the State Department. How about the politicians all have the same medical they want all of us to have. Does Congress and the Senate pay Social Security like the rest of us? Why are the American people responsible for all their freebies. They all make good salaries. If waste in government including welfare fraud was addressed I wonder if that would be a good start. ...more
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 21, 10 9:38 PM
This is the teaparty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbyFeFhUTmI&feature=player_embedded
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 5:45 PM
Ridiculous.

Should we post a few nuts on the left and say this is the liberal movement?
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 6:03 PM
It would be hilarous if it wasn' t so real.
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 6:14 PM
Frightening. The tea party movement is a joke. Seriously. Their hypocrisy is matched only by their lunacy.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:07 PM
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We'll know for sure in November won't we.
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 21, 10 9:23 PM
Most teabaggers as you sarcastically called them want a fair tax not a progressive Income tax. Our current tax code makes no sense. I would not mind a VAT if we abolished the Fed. Income tax.
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 21, 10 5:58 PM
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Tea Party Members would also like smaller government.
By Draggerman (801), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:16 PM
Please, please, please one of you lefties explain to us how we are supposed to pay for the debt. With the savings from our wonderful healthcare system that is on it's way? Nope. Taxing us to the gills in the coming years? Yep.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 6:08 PM
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Please first explain how we are supposed to pay for the debt accumulated by GWB, after Clinton handed him a balanced budget? That is still the vast majority of the current debt. Oh and the Congressional Budget Office says that health care will pay for itself, and then some. And thats a fact.
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 6:36 PM
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There it is, the GWB reply. I knew it wouldn't take long.
So GWB was a disaster and that allows a pass to the disaster that is BHO.
Love it. Keep spending because GWB did too. Strong argument there Sir.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 6:59 PM
Its very simple. You asked a question about paying off the debt, and implied that it is all from this administration. The simple answer is that most of the debt if from the prior administration. No that isn't a pass for the current admin but it is a relevant fact. And the CBO, which is the only entity that is charged with and in fact performs detailed analyses of spending bills (and which congressional republicans originally said they would follow their findings) say it will LOWER the debt. So ...more
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 7:19 PM
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It took 1 year for Obama to match the Bush Admin debt levels for his entire presidency. I'm no fan of GWB, but I am tired of the built in excuse the Dems keep using about what they inherited. The recklessness has to stop. Blind allegiance to a party sure as heck won't help. Are there nut jobs associated with the Tea Party? You bet, not it sure is not all them. Their demands for responsible spending are warranted.

By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 21, 10 8:04 PM
The difference it this: Bush spent OUR money off of the books on an unjust war in Iraq and giving tax breaks to the rich that cost every American 2.5 trillion dollars.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:08 PM
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This is the most basic problem with the tea-party followers: don't bother with indisputable facts, simply scream LIES LIES! at the top of your lungs. In 2000 Bill Clinton left office with a $200+ billion budget surplus. In 2009 Geo Bush left office with a $1+ TRILLION budget deficit. Now, to be fair, the budget deficit/surplus is not the same thing as the debt, so read carefully. I know these facts are bothersome for you but these facts are so basic and true that you are in effect screaming your ...more
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 22, 10 4:05 PM
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As Ronald Reagan would say: "There you go again!" Like I said, read carefully. You wrote (screamed): "Lies, lies, lies.... Clinton NEVER had a balanced budget". I simply corrected your lie. And talk about changing the subject, now you're going on about Newt Gingrich & co!
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 9:58 AM
Hey lab Lr i am 41 and make it to every tea party I can when I am Not working. You should watch your profiling your starting to sound like Chris Mathews
By 27dan (2364), south hampton on Apr 21, 10 6:11 PM
So, you're the exception. Perhaps your time would be better spent doing something productive like fighting for something you support instead of shouting about what you're against.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:10 PM
Goldenrod wrote -----> " The poor things don't understand " No madam Its you that does not understand the Saul Alinsky game is over. We are taking back this country starting in November. If you don't like it maybe America is not for you. Its about the constitution of the United States of America check it out sometime. And Yes Lab Reagan Is my hero an I am proud of it.
By 27dan (2364), south hampton on Apr 21, 10 6:27 PM
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Poor Ronald Reagan. He'd be horrified to see what the Replubican party has turned into today. But then again he'd be run out of office: higher taxes; more debt; reducing nukes...heresy! Just look at John McCain = his party's presidential nominee 2 years ago and one of the consistently most conservative republicans in congress... he is IN FACT being run out of office!
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 6:54 PM
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John McCain is conservative? You, sir, are just outright lying. McCain has one of the most LIBERAL and MODERATE voting records of any republican.
STOP LYING!!!!
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 22, 10 1:05 AM
The republicans have created a litmus test that not even Reagan could pass. The teaparty movement is nothing more than a subsidiary of the right wing wholly funded by Republican operatives like Dick Armey who is working tirelessly on behalf of corporate greed and corruption.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 12:14 PM
Yes, a consistent 80 - 90% conservative voting record is downright liberal mamby-pamby by today's reactionary standards. The percentages are a fact. And you, sir, should calm down.
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 22, 10 1:02 PM
80-90% of what? Voted down party lines? Voted for/against Bush or Obama? What is that a percentage of? I should have known you're not equipped for a battle of wits when you said McCain was in Congress.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 27, 10 12:55 AM
Silly pup...its from the ACU (American Conservative Union). Look it up and don't flatter yourself with "...battle of wits..." nonsense. Do you even know what the Congress is? (hint: it's both the Senate and House).
By zaz (194), East Hampton on Apr 27, 10 8:07 PM
Silly pup, i like that. But McCain is rated lower than or equal to over 110 republicans in office, according to the ACU in terms of being conservative. There are only 218 republicans in office, which means he's not even in the top half. So by you saying he is "one of the most conservative republicans in congress" you are lying. But I do like the name Silly pup, i think i'll change my screen name, thanks.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 28, 10 3:24 AM
Good we dont want McCain ! I already sent $ to JD Hayworth
JD Hay Worth ENDORSEMENTS: Mark Levin,Congressman Dana Rohrabacher,
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio,Phoenix Law Enforcement Association,
Tax Day Tea Party,Gun Owners of America,National Border Patrol Council,
The Liberty Committee,Can-Do Conservatives of America,
2006 GOP Governor nominee and leading Arizona conservative Len Munsil,
State Senate Majority Leader Chuck Gray,State Senator Russell Pearce State
Senator ...more
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 21, 10 7:06 PM
The fact that these teapartiers actually proudly ADMIT to supporting JD Hayworth (yes, Hayworth is one word, hope he can still cash your check) says all you need to know.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:14 PM
what ever happened to the "american dream--own a house, make a business --employee others???What will happen to those who followed this"advise during the 60s and 70s? " A lot of us have all worked very hard to have the "american dream" but for what purpose??? so it can be taked away for the "less fortunate" who have never really worked for a living and have lived on goverment plans and programs. I really think all of us should take stock in whatt we "have" and what we must probably give away ...more
By xtiego (635), bridgehampton on Apr 21, 10 7:57 PM
The American Dream was sold to rich, corporations starting with Ronald Reagan and ending with GW
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:14 PM
You don't think, lablover, that that pattern continues with Obama? He is FORCING everyone to buy health insurance. Do insurance companies not qualify as large corporations? Of course your biased arguement would be spoiled if you had mentioned this, so I would've left it out, too.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 22, 10 6:59 AM
your envy is so obviouios...you should get a second job so you can have more of what your neighbors have
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 22, 10 9:58 AM
So true. The anger of the Libs is so transparent. Give me, give me, give me! I'm not a rich man, but I work hard and want to keep as much as possible for MY FAMILY. I sure as heck don't expect anyone else to have to share their wealth with me. For those of you making over 250K, you owe us nothing and I'm sorry so many people think you do.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 22, 10 11:33 AM
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Those making over 250K have been paying MUCH LESS than those making under 250K for too long now. Did you complain when Bush's tax cuts to the rich cost ALL Americans 2.5 trillion dollars? By the way, ever hear of payroll taxes? This is America, we look out for those less fortunate than us.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 7:27 PM
I am sorry as well. You folks earned it and no one as the right to over tax you
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 22, 10 8:49 PM
LabLov - you ask if I have ever heard of payroll taxes??? I own a business so I understand them more than most. BTW - what is Obama care going to do to payroll taxes? Go look it up and then and then try and make your point again.There is a difference between less fortunate and lazy. Keep your hand out LibLover... you deserve as much wealth as someone else can provide for you.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 7:26 AM
I too own a business and I ask absolutely nothing of you or anyone else, but, as an American, I believe it is important to look out for those less fortunate. You prefer instead to stereotype all unfortunate as "lazy" because you are an angry, ignorant man who cares about nothing beyond your own front yard - just like your fellow tea-partiers. I hope that the day comes when you need help it is not there for you. I sincerely do.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:59 AM
And I assure you that I'd be the first to help someone who really needs it and tell those who refuse to work but have their hands out to go and knock on your door.

If wanting the govt to stay out of my life and wallet makes me an angry, ignorant man then I am guilty as charged.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 12:43 PM
You most certainly are guilty as charged - ignorance is not a positive attribute
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 2:56 PM
My words
"There is a difference between less fortunate and lazy"

Your words
You prefer instead to stereotype all unfortunate as "lazy"

Your words
I hope that the day comes when you need help it is not there for you. I sincerely do.

I agree with you, ignorance is not a positive attribute.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 8:48 PM
Great point (xtiego). The problem is that the neo-socialists like Obama dont understand the founding principals. People are to be guaranteed life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness. There is no guarantee on happiness.
By reality 101 (137), East Hampton on Apr 21, 10 8:02 PM
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I went to a Tea Party rally in Florida with my cousin who lives near Cape Canaveral - I am in that 5% or so highest earners who are getting heavily taxed thru the AMT stealth tax - I'm sympathic to the tax cause, I pay a lot of taxes and I'm not happy - but what did I see at this Titusville "Tea Party" rally? Gun nuts carrying side arms, Confederate flag wavers, a neo-Nazi (only one but scarry to see) - and a bunch of older people, one of who I know who gets a New York City pension and retiree health, ...more
By North of Highway (279), Westhampton Beach on Apr 21, 10 8:12 PM
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Hear, Hear!
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:16 PM
Wow..........North of Hwy, that puts this into perspective!
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 9:08 PM
Anyone on Social Security pays for Medicare, it's not free health insurance.
Take a test get a civil service job and you to will be eligible for health insurance. Even civil service employees pay for health insurance it’s not free. I can't believe someone would begrudge somebody who retired with health insurance or receives a veteran’s pension. The system didn't take care of someone like this. Someone who is enjoying these benefits deserves it by working and serving our country.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 21, 10 10:46 PM
Can any of the anti TEA Party folks here explain how they do not agree with lower taxes and less government? That's the message , lower taxes and less government, what's not to like about that?
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Apr 22, 10 4:53 PM
If that were your only beef, no problem, but we have seen the tea party rallies the racist signs, the hypocritical nonsense, the lies about Marxism and socialism, the accusations that our president was not born here, the spitting on a black congress person, the racial and homophobic slurs, the incitement to violence -
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 6:31 PM
No one spit on anyone...The man was just exercising his right of free speech. Watch the video. And if you think ABM who's mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, and who's hero was Saul Alinski,who's pastor was the Reverend wright and who put the likes of Van Jones in our white house are good for this county than you madam are out of touch. and a radical such as you should do some research. I suggest you start by reading the constitution then the bill of writes. Before you continue you bloviating. No one ...more
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 22, 10 9:06 PM
I saw the video, he was spit upon. Period. Maybe you should read the bill of "writes"! President Obama was duly elected by a majority of voters. BY the way, do you know me? Why are you telling me to get a job? I have a job AND I employee six people. Your hatred and anger are exactly what the tea party is all about.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 12:19 PM
Newt Gingrich said that he expects the Tea Party movement to evolve into "the militant wing of the Republican Party" at a speaking engagement in Pennsylvania on Wednesday night, the York Dispatch reports.

Newt Gingrich! What more can we possibly say.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 7:30 PM
What incitement of violence? I have not seen or heard of any violence. Those on the left would have everyone believe that these people are violent. Who spit on a black congressman, the cameras were rolling with audio, none of the TV channels showed any of this so called spitting or ethnic slurs. They would die to get this on CBS, NBC or CNN; these lies are coming from left wing media.
Those on social security and Medicare (those 62 and older) do pay taxes, social security is taxed and they ...more
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 9:03 PM
"Democrat Party" is a political epithet used in the United States instead of "Democratic Party" when talking about the Democratic Party.
Not that I really care what you think.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 10:55 PM
Big Fresh......What I want to know from the Teabaggers is where do THEY want the cuts to come from??? One thing is screaming about tax-cuts it is another thing to say where to make the program cuts, and be more specific about what programs they would cut?
Would the Tea-Party movement like to cut out medicaid or Social Security?
How about defense, the biggest line in the budget?
I do not hear any of that from this "movement".

By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 22, 10 10:57 PM
Perhaps you could attend a "tea party" and ask them. Or do you wish to not hear from them, so that you can claim that they have no ideas?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Apr 23, 10 2:09 AM
Eliminate the waste in govt., a 10% cut across the board would be a start. That's right a lousy 10% cut in every single department and government program.
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Apr 23, 10 7:35 AM
10%
The military???
Medicare???
Social Security???

I hope to see Tea Party signs that say, "Cut my medicare!!" or "Cut My Social Security!"
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 10:08 AM
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"I suggest you start by reading the constitution then the bill of writes. "

Where do I find the Bill of Writes?
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Apr 23, 10 10:48 AM
Hah!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:55 AM
your so clever
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 23, 10 11:00 PM
Oh my... reality is such a bummer.
Nothing is free my liberal friends.

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President Obama suggested Wednesday that a new value-added tax on Americans is still on the table, seeming to show more openness to the idea than his aides have expressed in recent days.

VAT was invented because very high sales taxes and tariffs encourage cheating and smuggling. Critics point out that it disproportionately raises taxes on middle- and low-income homes.

VAT ... "a massive ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 11:33 AM
How do you suggest we pay for war, social security, medicare and GW's give away to the rich?
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:51 AM
Now you get it.
I just got a root canal and told my dentist that it was GW Bush's fault and my bill should be paid for by one of those greedy corporations. I also suggested that since my dentist likely makes more than 250K that he should do the procedure for free and allow me to drive his BMW for the weekend.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 1:39 PM
don't get yourself upset by Lib lvr just vote these bastards out in November
By joe hampton (3121), south hampton on Apr 23, 10 10:55 PM
VAT is OBAMAs way of making more taxes without tax increases in the income tax, Clever isn't he. We will pay sales TAX on EVERYTHING we buy. Anybody want to join the Tea Party now.
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 23, 10 11:40 AM
We are in the state we are in because nobody wants to pay taxes but the right wants to give tax cuts to the rich and corporations, deregulate finance to leave all taxpayers on the hook, and spend billions upon billions on the military. How do you suggest we pay for everything? What programs do you think we should cut? The teaparty is nothing more than a convenient way to get thousands of incurious complainers with no ideas together at one time to stomp and yell and threaten, but offer no solutions.
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 11:55 AM
Nonsense. We are in the state we are in because too many have their hands out and contribute nothing. In your world you would suck all the money from the producers of the world, make our military weak, and allow non-contributors to sit around collecting checks. That's just great. Whatever anger you have towards corporations they at the least provide jobs.You scream and yell about Corporate corruption and greed and think the govt will fix it. The govt is the most corrupt entity in the universe and ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 23, 10 12:35 PM
Well, does anyone want to add to bigfresh and give an opinion on what to cut out of government?
Double....what about the military? Should we cut there? How about madicaid....Social Security?
If you Tea Party are so upset about paying your taxes, what services will you cut?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 7:25 PM
The ignorance of the left on economics is simply mindboggling. The effects of over taxing are profound. Business will go elsewhere and professionals too. Look up "Brain Drain" and "Capital Flight". As Mr. Obama gins up class warfare that serves only to divide and create envy we grow apart as a people. Yet, the left seems to love it and Mr. Obama too! Insanity.

Both Franjk Marshall Davis AND Saul Alinsky were communists activists who hated the USA. Mr. Obama was tought at Davis' knee was ...more
By Lost Tribe (66), East Hampton on Apr 23, 10 7:41 PM
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Yea...Hoover tried to cut taxes to get us out of the economic crisis and it failed.
The economic stimulis of 09' averted an economic disaster. (Which you would have blamed on Obama)
Now, back to my question....
WHAT PROGRAMS WOULD YOU TEA_PEOPLE CUT?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 23, 10 9:21 PM
Also on the chopping block should be: NPR ,Governmental sponsorship of the Arts, OBAMACARE, department of education(leave it to the states), foreign aid except in the case of a natural disaster. Charging the nation of origin for any services provided to any illegal alien, ditto for prison for illegals would bring in some revenue without impacting taxpayers.
Now a question for the Demokrats here, are you willing, personally, to pay more in taxes for Obama's trillion dollar defecit spending?
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Apr 24, 10 7:06 AM
Yeah, let's get rid of all cultural identity and arts, kill education and public radio - all of the things that help societies to thrive. All great societies throughout history have valued arts, science, and education - those that haven't have collapsed. You should try living in a cave.
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 11:51 AM
Ok...now wer are getting somewhere. The programs would not ammount to much, including health care...that is going to save money over time.
For the record, you all are not willing to cut medicaid, Social Security or the military!
Quid pro quo.....as far as taxes. Most of the national debt was in place before 08' and the stimulis averted economic disaster and that would have cost far more. So yes...I am willing to pay more, but the odd thing is is that being in the middle class I got a tax ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 7:49 AM
He wants to cut everything that makes society great, but all of those programs amount to a teeny percentage of spending. Completely insignificant. Cowardice spending cuts proposed by the most ignorant among us.

I would love to see these teabaggers out protesting for a military spending cut - something that would actually make a HUGE difference! Their spiritual founder Ron Paul wants to cut military spending and close all based to save trillions and they want to get rid of NPR! Insanity. ...more
By lablover (104), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 11:54 AM
Hey, Captain America, don't tread on US.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 25, 10 3:13 PM
OBAMACARE is going to SAVE money!!?? Not a chance in the world! The BS game played with the numbers to make the CBO's numbers work is rediculous. The military expenditures are neccessary to keep our country safe from those who would do us harm. Social Security should be re-examined, especially the SS disability money pit, plenty of waste to cut there, medicaid should also be put under the microscope. 10% across the board hell, check out the DOD for waste too. Cut out the lifetime medical insurance ...more
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Apr 24, 10 11:02 AM
Hey guys remember that healthcare was bankrupting America! That is why we have a new health care LAW. The insurance companies are sapping the nation dry. (Individuals, families, companies and municipalities) Before this law, people with out insurance were going to emergency rooms and getting treated and the insurace companies charge the rest of us for the bill and their profit.
And you all are out there waving flags on behalf of the insurance companies.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 9:38 PM
Laughable comment. Even REAL liberals agree this bill stinks. Stop drinking the kool aid
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 9:49 AM
C-A wrote: "Whether he had them or not is irrelevent. He was a danger to the civilized world and pledged to work toward getting them after sanctions ended. Removing him was a good thng."
So under that philosophy, we should invade N. Korea? Admit it Iraq was follly and we have and will spend more on Bush's mistake with Iraq than we will on a health care program to take care of our own people.

C-A wrote, re: cuts in medicaid, Social Security, & Military, "Correct, compassion for the most ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 24, 10 9:54 PM
Lab: Reread my post-every little bit of savings will help. 10% across the board to start + all the wastefull BS that should be funded by the private sector. Military spending is neccessary because there are enemies who will do us harm if we can not defened ourselves! Terrorists don't care if you are a liberal follower of the Almighty Barak, peace be upon him, or not! As to the living in a cave comment, you have just proved the stereotype of the liberal Demokrat Party member, angry , ignorant and ...more
By bigfresh (3567), north sea on Apr 25, 10 8:23 AM
LibLover doesn't actually bother reading posts. She instead does the Democrat Parrot "Bush gave tax breaks to the rich. Bush gave tax breaks to the rich"
She doesn't want to cut projects that "make society great" ie. Public Radio (last time I checked we had about a billion radio stations to choose from) and the arts (because good art actually gets sold so we have to subsidize the stuff nobody wants). And the military, well that should be cut because Obama's group hug program should cure the ...more
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 25, 10 9:38 AM
You are so completely clueless.
By yearrounder (208), Southampton on Apr 26, 10 8:05 AM
and you live in a dream world where you get to spend and spend and spend without caring about how things get paid for. The failures of the Bush presidency do not give Mr. Obama a free pass. Obama inherited a mess and made a few new messes. Screaming about GWB's numerous failures does not make Obama right.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 26, 10 3:30 PM
I love all these libs who scream tax the rich. They are paying most of the taxes in this country already.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 9:51 AM
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And the Teabaggers are out there waving flags for them and the insurance companies. They want tax-cuts but no cut to their programs.
Again where were all of you when Bush dragged the country into Iraq.
Let's face it, you are using fear and half truths to try and get the Republicans back in control of congress and the White House.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 25, 10 11:36 AM
shnative I don't think you get the movement. I am not involved with the movement but can appreciate their ideas and points of views. Their demonstrations have been far more peaceful than the libs during the Iraq. Last time I checked we are still there but I don't see the protesters anymore. Hmm wonder why??
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 12:48 PM
I know it very difficult for most liberals to comprehend but the true tea party movement is not about Iraq, insurance companies, Bush or even republicans. They are about personnal and fiscal responsiblity.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 1:06 PM
So you all are willing to make cuts in madicaid and Social Security???
hmmmm...do they really want to cut taxes and programs or do they just want a Republican Congress? (Te Party = half truths and fear)
As far as Iraq, if we leave now a civil war starts, and under international law, we are now obligated to rebuild the country and see to the safty of the people since we were the ones who invaded them.
Billions of dollars.....where were all of those Tea Baggers then, was that fiscally ...more
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 25, 10 1:37 PM
What are you babbling about? I said I am NOT part of the tea party movement. But if I had to chose between their beliefs or yours it's a no brainer. I find most tea part people are educated, work hard, believe in family values and are sick of big gvt
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 25, 10 1:51 PM
I find it amazing that many of these comments are suggesting that we cut social security and medicare. All these SENIOR CITIZENS who do collect have worked in this country and paid their dues for these benefits. Even Socialist countries take care of their Senior Citizens. It certainly is not their fault that big government spends, spends more than we have. It is not that we collect too little taxes from anyone. It is that we spend too much money that we shouldn't spend. We don't need $800,000 ...more
By housewife (72), east hampton on Apr 25, 10 3:23 PM
Yes, and the amazing thing about the Tea Party movement is that most of them are getting government benefits that we are all paying for....but they want other items cut rather than the MONEY that they are getting from the government.The Tea Party movement is nothing more than the militant wing of the Republican Party who want to take control of the nation again.
Where were they and where were you when Bush was driving the nation into the ground?
By SHNative (554), Southampton on Apr 25, 10 8:32 PM
Amen.
By double standard (1506), quogue on Apr 26, 10 3:32 PM
Yes and the amazing thing about the progressive movement is that most of them are getting GVT benefits from the taxes that the tea party members are paying. I firmly believe the further expansion of GVT and addition of another entitlement (Health care) was the last straw for these people.
FYI your comment about militant wing is insane. I know many people who are independent and/or dems who support ideals of the tea party people. What happened to dissent is patriotic. If anything your views ...more
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 26, 10 10:21 AM
Peoplefirst, you are wrong. My family's income was less than $250,000 in 2009 (in fact it was just about the same as in 2008) and we paid more (nearly $3,000 more) to the Federal government than in 2008. Remarkably, the taxes paid to NYS were about the same for both years, but I don't believe that will hold true for this year.
By workingmomof4 (19), Southampton on Apr 27, 10 10:40 AM
He is not wrong. The tax rate is the lowest it has been since the sixties. Your individual taxes may have changed based upon what you made, declared, exempted, but the tax rate is lower -fact, not opinion
By setyoufree (69), Sag Harbor on Apr 27, 10 11:04 AM
The national debt and annual defecit are at the highest the country has ever seen. Something has to give. FACT
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 27, 10 3:07 PM
The photos to this story are interesting - do the grayhairs standing out there complaining about taxes realize that taxes fund their medicare and social security? As well as the roads they drove on to get to the protest, the police that protect their right to protest, the fire department that protects their properties from fire, the water and sewer treatment facilities that give them potable water and indoor plumbing, the government agencies that work to keep their food and drugs safe? How do ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Apr 28, 10 1:15 PM
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Cowee you wanted some ideas well here you go
1. flat tax coupled with a consumption tax. that way EVERYONE pays their fair share based on income.
2. GVT stops its irresponsible spending and MUST maintain a balanced budget with limited exceptions.
3. All illegal non US citizen freeloaders must go and anyone caught hiring them must pay heavy fines as a deterent.
4. Gvt officials act on behalf of their contituents and not their party
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 28, 10 3:24 PM
Those are talking points, not substantive solutions. I presume your flat and consumption taxes result in people paying less in taxes (otherwise you're advocating for raising taxes?). Sounds great - except you need to explain how we continue to pay for the infrastructure and services that our citizens rely on. That's why I was hoping for substantive solutions, not bumper sticker slogans, like the ones on the signs the TPs were carrying:

"Taxed Enough Already" - Great, let's start by cutting ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Apr 28, 10 4:46 PM
odd how you are completely in favor of #2 and 4 yet so against the tea party movement.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 28, 10 6:27 PM
cowee you are ranting all over the place. Let's stick to one thing at a time. Flat tax coupled with consumption. I never said it reduce taxes. The principal is everyone pays their fair share. Their are many people in this country that pay no taxes yet reap tons of benefits. Why does 20% of the population pay 80% of the taxes. It is no secret that due to the past 2 adminstrations spending we will have to raise taxes. It's either that or face the eventual fate of Greece.
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 28, 10 5:12 PM
Not ranting (unlike John McCain, we should be able to address more than one issue at a time), and never said I'm against the TP. I share the frustrations over high taxes, self-interested politicians, taxpayer-funded bailouts. But I'm tired of TP whining and nonsensical talking points, with no substantive solutions being offered.

Taking your flat tax, I am not opposed to a flat tax, and I also strongly favor taxing corporate revenues (if they're "people" for First Amendment purposes, shouldn't ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on Apr 29, 10 9:28 AM
regardless of a flat tax or our current tax structure the GVT will have to raise taxes to pay for our escalating debt. The addition of yet another entitlement (health care) does not help the situation. Personnally I am in favor of many of the tea party ideals. Personal, fiscal responsibilty and believing in the free markets. I dont understand the anger in letting people voice their opinion. Dissent is Patriotic right?
As for MY ideas to reduce debt 1. examine the defense budget with a fine ...more
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 29, 10 6:39 PM
Where are all of the libertarian teabaggers when it comes to REAL government intrusion like the "show me your papers" legislation in Arizona? Where are the teabaggers when it comes to Goldman Sachs and financial reform?
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 30, 10 9:55 AM
I am not a member of the tea party movement but most tea party people are for free market . In regards to the Arizona legislation they are not legal citizens and are reaping benefits from legal tax paying citizens. In my personnal opinion these people have no rights. They are here illegally
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 30, 10 10:26 AM
It has nothing to do with bigotry or race if you are in this country ILLEGALLY and receiving free entitlements off of taxpayer dollars you should be thrown out. FYI key components of the Arizona law are already Federal law so how can they deem it unconstitutional. Read Capt americas previous post he is right on. Please excercise other parts of your brain and get off the kool aid
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 30, 10 4:47 PM
The law is not about being her illegally - the law is about being PERCEIVED as illegal. It is a racial profiling and the worst kind of big government take over that you teabaggers pretend to be so concerned. Capt Un-American is wrong. So are your.

If this law were implemented, citizens would effectively have to carry ‘their papers' at all times to avoid arrest. Is that what you mean by "limited government" As to why it is unconstitutional, assuming you are able to grasp rational thought, ...more
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 30, 10 5:35 PM
racial profiling give me a break. if you can't speak the English language and are hanging out with day laborers use your brain and carry ID. As for preaching humanity the day you loonatic lefties stop killing unborn babies then I'll start listening. What a bunch of hypocrites
By razza5350 (1898), East Hampton on Apr 30, 10 6:56 PM
You've defeated your own argument. Plenty of people who are legally in the US cannot speak English - that's a criteria that you're illegal? And hanging out with day laborers without ID is now a crime? Most important, both of these criteria (and any others you can dream up) constitute impermissible racial profiling, prohibited by Federal law and the US Constitution (familiar with the Equal Protection Clause?). Are you anti-Constitution?

Educate yourself with this W-era DOJ memo on the ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on May 1, 10 5:02 PM
Hey Captn - "If Goldman Sachs is found to be in violation of law or regulations, I'm certain the vast majority of Teabaggers and bagees ... more alike will conlude they should be prosecuted or fined." Sorry, but can't be both free market/anti-regulation on the one hand, and in favor of prosecution for violating "law or regulations." Free markets = no laws or regulations, right? Once again, the TP is all slogans, no substance.

By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on May 1, 10 4:30 PM
I'm glad you're conceding that free markets is a bad idea. "Blah blah blah" is exactly what I expect from somone with nothing constructive to offer - not all Tea Partiers, but TPs like you.

As for the racial profiling, you've lost touch with reality - profiling is inevitable any time the police are left to make these kinds of decisions without objective criteria. But the obvious fact that you conveniently ignore is that I (the white guy) would never get asked your non-profiling questions ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on May 1, 10 7:18 PM
I guess when you run out of message, you attack the messenger. But in doing so, you sidestep the main problem - what's important is not the questions they'll ask, but who they choose to ask the questions to. Why is this important? Because the true "bigger picture" is that our Constitution mandates equal protection under law and prohibits racial profiling. But you seem to be OK with trashing the Constitution, because to you, the ends somehow justify the means, regardless of constitutionality. ...more
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on May 2, 10 4:01 PM
I couldn't disagree with you more, as I think it's naive to believe that profiling won't occur because the law forbids it (the Constitution has always forbid it, but hasn't prevented it). But I have enjoyed and appreciate the debate and will leave it at that.
By CoweeDewey (110), East Quogue on May 5, 10 8:58 AM