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Jul 27, 2010 5:27 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

ZBA turns down East Hampton Library expansion

Jul 27, 2010 5:27 PM

The East Hampton Village Zoning Board of Appeals on Friday denied the East Hampton Library’s request to build an addition to its children’s wing. The denial came after library representatives made more than 35 appearances before the board for a proposed 6,802-square-foot addition, which the library first applied for in 2003.

The library board announced after the decision that it would hold a public referendum to gauge community support for the expansion and file suit in state Supreme Court to challenge the ZBA’s decision should the referendum pass.

In its ruling, the ZBA stated that a final environmental impact statement, which incorporated the information and commentary presented throughout public hearings, failed to convince the board that the expansion would not have an adverse environmental impact on the site and the surrounding area.

The board and opponents of the library’s proposal have long been concerned with the size of the project, the number of parking spaces that would be needed on the site and how increased patronage would affect traffic on Main Street. ZBA members also said they were concerned about the preservation of the historic 2-acre Osborne green on the library property.

Library Director Dennis Fabiszak and members of the library board convened at the library after the ZBA meeting to, at times, emotionally denounce the decision.

Library board members took turns reading from a prepared statement, in which they said they doubted each reason for the ZBA’s denial, including parking, since the library had always agreed to any number of parking spaces the village wished; the size of the children’s wing, since the library had agreed to downsize the project several times; the preservation of the green, since the library offered the village the deed to the green and proposed to preserve 84 percent of it in its latest plan; and cost, since the expansion was to be built entirely with funds raised by the library board.

The board called the decision one tainted by “village politics” and exclusionary tactics.

“A few politically influential people in the village want the library to serve only village residents,” the statement said. “That’s what they mean by village preservation. They believe the people from outside the village should be excluded from the library.”

In its findings statement, the ZBA again noted that the library should more seriously consider a full-service library branch in Springs, which would reduce the size of the project and mitigate the traffic and parking problems.

Mr. Fabiszak said a branch in Springs was not a possibility or economically feasible. Library Board Chairman Tom Twomey said the library has done the research, and that a separate branch would equate to a 314-percent tax increase for the community.

“We hired a consultant to look into it,” he said. “So for anybody to say we have to study it more is confusing to us.”

The library expected a decision from the ZBA on July 9, but the it was delayed after Village Attorney Linda Riley and Library Attorney Bill Esseks spent the week negotiating a counter offer. Mr. Fabiszak said the library board anticipated the application would be denied after reading the FEIS and in a last-ditch effort asked Mr. Esseks to write a letter to the ZBA, asking if it would be willing to approve a smaller project.

Mr. Twomey said Mr. Esseks and Ms. Riley conversed first and then the ZBA called an executive session to decide if it would extend an offer for a smaller building, which it did, proposing a 4,000-square-foot addition. The library board accepted the offer, as long as it would exclude the square footage of the exterior walls, Mr. Fabiszak said. The library also offered not to increase the lecture room capacity, keeping holding its capacity at 45, building 16 additional parking spaces, and signing a conservation easement to the village, which would give the village control of the Osborne green. Mr. Fabiszak said the village agreed to all the conditions, except that it refused to budge on the size of the building, which it wanted limited to 4,000 square feet including the exterior walls.

Mr. Fabiszak said the library board refused. He said the exterior walls would have amounted to about 20 percent of the construction area because of their thickness, which would be made to match the original structure of the building.

The library has reduced the size of the expansion twice before, the board’s statement notes. The original proposal called for a 10,300-square-foot addition, a project that was approved by the Village Design Review Board before being reduced to 6,800 square feet. After meeting additonal oppositon from the ZBA, the library board again agreed to reduce the project to the current proposal.

Mr. Twomey said the board couldn’t agree to the ZBAs latest offer, adding that the scope of the project was not arbitrary. He said it was designed to accommodate the approximately 10,000 new books the library hoped to add in order to update its children’s collection. The library would also have added 5,000 books to the adult collection.

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Move on.

Drop the referendum smoke screen. It is of no legal import.

File new plans and a new application.

You might consider alternate architectural and legal representation IMO.
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 23, 10 6:26 PM
PS -- How many tax dollars will continue to be spent fighting this? Are the library board members willing to ante up their own personal contributions to go on?

Is this what the children need from our most excellent library facility?
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 23, 10 6:49 PM
Wake up, PBR: nothing will ever satisfy the EH Village zoning board on this application: the board members are owned by the 'Village Preservation Society" and the Osborne family. NO TAX PAYERS DOLLARS have been spent on any aspect of this application, including legal and architectural fees - all the $$ was raised in private donations. It is true that hundreds of thousands of dollars (NON TAX PAYER money) has been wasted by the Village's requiring countless environmental impact statements and ...more
By PQ (9), Riverhead on Jul 24, 10 8:05 AM
you obviously have not been following the story. get the facts.
By chelsealizw (15), Amagansett on Jul 24, 10 3:35 PM
After the new addition and the new 16 parking spaces are added, about 84% of the open space you now see around the library would be preserved. The addition is paid by private donations. No taxpayer money is involved
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 5:46 AM
Man, I can tell you a few stories about East Hampton Village politics. The community should step forward and support the library. Screw these political wan-a-bes
By BruceB (141), Sag Harbor on Jul 23, 10 7:02 PM
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The community WOULD step forward and support the library if people on the board were represented by the community and not hacks like Twomey and his friends. I am also sick of hearing about expansion and increased taxes havent we spent enough already and the school projects.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 10:05 AM
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The addition is paid by private donations. No taxpayer money is involved
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 1:18 PM
That is not true. The last vote for expansion called for a tax increase. I know because I read it and voted against it
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 8:18 PM
You are wrong. The library has never had a " vote for expansion". You must be confusing the library with the School on Long Lane. The last expansion at the library in 1997, cost $3,500,000 and every penny was donated privately.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 9:33 AM
The vote was held at the middle school AFTER the vote to buy the property on king street and turn it into a bus depot. The king street vote failed the library vote passed. I believe this paper even reported it
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 9:59 AM
Razza, you are mixed up. The school district vote on the King street bus terminal had nothing to do with the library. That proposal did involve spending tax monies by the school district not the library. . The Children's Wing at the library (which has nothing to do with the school district) definitely does not involve tax money since all of its costs will be paid from private donations. Do you understand the difference?
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 7:14 PM
Fact checker with all due respect you are mixed up. Google East Hampton Library vote and you will see the vote was held on April 14th 2010 right after the King street vote. The expansion is factored into the budget increase and it does increase your taxes
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 28, 10 9:50 AM
Razza, What are you talking about? The bus depot vote was in March & was soundly defeated. Are you referring to the April 17 vote for an increase in the libary's annual operating budget?
Here is the public notification I found when I googled the library vote. "on April 17, 2010 commencing at 10 AM prevailing time, at the East Hampton Library, 159 Main St., East Hampton, New York, for the purpose of voting upon the following item: “SHALL the Board of Managers of the East Hampton Library be authorized ...more
By East End 2 (135), Southampton on Jul 28, 10 11:12 AM
first of all I was not talking to you. If you had read all of my previous posts you know what I was talking about when referring to the King Street bus depot. Secondly I was explaining to factchecker that she was wrong. There was a vote and it led to higher taxes both of which she claimed to be untrue.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 28, 10 4:19 PM
Razza, This is a public forum. You are confusing facts with your opinion. Suggest spending a little time at your local library. It's a fabulous resource (though a bit cramped) and a wonderful bargain for your tax dollars.
By East End 2 (135), Southampton on Jul 28, 10 8:48 PM
Love it insulted twice. I have nothing against the library but as TAXPAYER in East Hampton I have a right to a say. Seeing you are from Southampton thats more than you can say. Furthermore your facts are clouded because you are affiliated in someway with the Library (maybe you are Twomey himself). The full page article the "board" printed in the star is laughable.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 29, 10 3:28 PM
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They had top notch legal representation. The ZBA decision is a disgrace & hope it can be overturned. Politics means they don't want any more of the Springs riff-raf and the no se hable ingles contingent in "their" village. You can't tell me the elite & highly educated decision makers in this drama don't understand the community value of a library. Shame, shame, shame on them.
By East End 2 (135), Southampton on Jul 23, 10 8:23 PM
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Lets all think bigger... speaking as a father of two young children and a lifer out east, the children's wing is now way outdated and to small for a functional learning libary. lets think about the learning possibilities that the future children of east hampton will have when they proceed forward with this expansion. remember when the libary was most recently expanded? there is now always an adult in that wing reading. lets give the children that chance now. the new bridgehampton and amagansett ...more
By tito (56), e hampton on Jul 23, 10 8:45 PM
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Gotta keep those unsightly children out of the village, we've got an image to maintain.
By Noah Way (450), Southampton on Jul 23, 10 9:33 PM
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Sorry guys... agree with the ZBA decision. Main Street and Buell Lane is one of the most busy and treacherous corners in E. Hampton and it can't handle more traffic. There has to be another location where such a large building can be built. I also wonder where the funds are coming from during these difficult economic times. I assume that only people who are in favor of the expansion will show up for the meeting on August 14th but I am sure there are many in the community who don't believe this ...more
By Casey22 (3), East Hampton on Jul 23, 10 9:52 PM
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Professional traffic consultants, including the NYS Dept. of Transportation and two of the Villages OWN consultants, concluded that there would be minimal and negligible traffic impact from this modest, yes MODEST, improvement to the children's library facility. These findings were ignored by the politicians on the Village board . Case in point: the Village requested that the library provide more parking spaces in their application, and then used "too many parking spaces" as a reason to deny ...more
By PQ (9), Riverhead on Jul 24, 10 8:12 AM
If you look at the vehicle accident reports at the corner or Buell Ln and Main St. NONE of them had anything to do with the library. And such a large building? Take a walk behind the library and look at the markers, not as a big as you think. Where the funds are coming during the difficult economical times? PRIVATE DONATIONS! FROM PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE LIBRARY. Nothing is coming out of anyone's pockets for this expansion but the library's own. And even if you think this isnt the "right time for this ...more
By chelsealizw (15), Amagansett on Jul 24, 10 3:34 PM
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Another accident on that corner this morning -- ambulance and all. No traffic problems there? You have got to be kidding. Wait until a book reading attended by 50-60 people breaks. Traffic will come to a standstill. And what happens if a kid gets hit trying to go to a craft session? "Negligible? " Don't think so.
By angelwings (5), east hampton on Jul 29, 10 4:17 PM
How the hell is 6000+ square feet considered a "modest" improvement?!
By Miss K. (100), East Quogue on Aug 3, 10 10:04 AM
The library should stay in the same place is part of the history of EH ....also ...that is the cultural corner..Guild Hall..Library=perfect the board members are owned by the 'Village Preservation Society" and the Osborne family.
Like PQ says "the board members are owned by the 'Village Preservation Society" and the Osborne family."
By Bel (86), southampton on Jul 24, 10 9:18 AM
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There are always concessions made to developers who offer no community benefit, but they can't do the same for a library?!
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Jul 24, 10 12:38 PM
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just shows the irony
By Infoseeker (266), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 10 11:27 AM
An absolute disgrace ... the ZBA should hang their heads in shame for the amount of time and money they have wasted, while children are being deprived of the excellent services of the library. In my opinion, this is just like Noah Way said ... unsightly children should be kept out of the village--perhaps for fear they will taint the blue bloods who live near the library. For shame. All should get to the library on August 14th and express their support.
By Nancy Q. (27), east Hampton on Jul 24, 10 12:40 PM
Very sad, that EH, one of the most affluent communities on the EE is denying access to information to members of their own community.
By Infoseeker (266), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 10 7:57 PM
This is the 21st century, libraries are more than pretty buildings.
By Infoseeker (266), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 10 7:58 PM
How is it the EH Village Zoning board allowed a multi-plex movie theatre that disgorges hundreds of small children onto a dangerously congestion-clogged main street, without a thought for any consequences, but cannot tolerate a modest library addition that might attract an additional dozen kids a week to come in and find a book that might change their lives? Something else is in play here. What is it?
By PQ (9), Riverhead on Jul 24, 10 10:03 PM
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good point.
By Infoseeker (266), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 10 11:26 AM
very good point PQ ... any thoughts on what it could be?
By Nancy Q. (27), east Hampton on Jul 25, 10 11:34 AM
The opposition says its OK for people in Springs and Northwest to come to the village for church, mail, entertainment and to spend money on shopping and restaurants but they should not come for free library services. They want to exclude those people and turn the library into a village library which a few years ago they controlled. The new library board is geographically diversified with members from Springs, Wainscott, Northwest and Three Mile Harbor. That started all the trouble.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 5:41 AM
Some of these comments, especially eastend2 and Noah Way, are disgraceful in themselves. Perhaps it is time for the appointed Library Board to put the money it gets from Springs back into Springs in the form of a real library annex which could serve the children of that community - which is the largest user group. The Director of the Library has been fighting this idea tooth and nail saying the costs are too prohibitive. I firmly believe that for $279,000 a year not only could it happen - it ...more
By Board Watcher (529), East Hampton on Jul 25, 10 3:54 PM
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Tsk, tsk, must have hit a nerve there with the truth, hey?
$279K a year? Where exactly did you get that figure and just how much do you think it would cost to buy the land and build a modern library facility these days?

So you are also saying that the library tax paid by the village residents is sufficent to run the existing library. And the llibrary tax paid by the non-village residents is sufficent to construct a brand new modern facility from the ground up & run & maintain it? What ...more
By East End 2 (135), Southampton on Jul 25, 10 4:53 PM
The people in Springs use about 40% of the library services but pay only 20% of the taxpayer cost because of the more expensive homes and commercial properties in the East Hampton school district. That is a pretty good deal for the folks in Springs. The library did an exhaustive study and found out that a new library in Springs would increase the library tax for Springs residents by 314%. That's why the library rules out that option.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 25, 10 9:31 PM
6802 sq ft? I would turn it down too.
By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Jul 25, 10 7:27 PM
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The first floor has only 3500 square feet, and about 600 of that is exterior walls the rest is in the basement mostly for storage and corridors.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 25, 10 9:25 PM
and out of the 6,802 square foot addition, ONLY a little more than 1,400 sq.ft. would be for the children. so why call it a "Children's wing". Call it what it is... a library expansion! Stop tugging at the heart strings of the community who think the addition is aimed at the children.
By marymare (12), east hampton on Jul 26, 10 10:04 AM
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The addition includes on the first floor 2,250 square feet for children's books and two homework rooms. That allows shelf space for about 10,000 more books for the kids. By constructing this new space, the adult collection can take back the 500 square feet that was converted from adult to children's books in 1997 when the last addition was built. That returned space allows for 5000 new best selling adult books. This was clearly described when the application was submitted in 2003.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 9:56 AM
Is the basement finished or above ground? Is it really a basement or a finished level under ground? Does it have egress windows? Is it heated and cooled?

Exterior walls don't account for square footage as you are suggesting - the building would not existing without them so they are a part of the total count.

If one owns a 3000 sqft house they wouldn't say they have a 2700 sqft house because 10% of the structure is made up of exterior walls.
By splashdown (21), sag harbor on Jul 27, 10 9:39 PM
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After the new addition and the new 16 parking spaces are added, about 84% of the open space you now see around the library would be preserved.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 25, 10 9:34 PM
I love all the pepole commenting who arent even from East Hampton and know nothing about the situation. You would think all of the children are going to go without books and grow up illiterate.
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 10:10 AM
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This isn't just about children: some of the proposed expansion is to store books. One aspect of this that has been overlooked is what will libraries look like in 5 years? 10 years? It won't be housing lots of books. With new technologies for accessing written materials libraries, including this one, will require less space not more. And, it will "house" a lot more knowledge via e-book readers like the Kindle and iPad. You can knock out a few rows of books and expand public areas for children ...more
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 10:58 AM
So many comments from people who obviously haven't followed this story in the papers! The library expansion is being paid for privately with funds the library raised, NOT taxpayer money. The ZBA is being influenced by the Osborns and a handful of neighbors who do not want this expansion. Twice the library has done mailings to all EH village residents, and each time 90% of cards returned were in favor of the expansion. EH Village is wasting our time and money, just pass it already!
By Harbor at Heart (12), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 12:21 PM
wrong wrong and wrong
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 8:21 PM
The numbers are in the budget East End 2 - take a look before you respond on this issue. It is not necessary to "buy and build" in Springs - there are other alternatives that the Director does not find it desirable to look at. And the comment about minimum wage? If you could state some specifics instead of rhetoric I may be inclined to take you seriously. Laszlo Lowenstein is right on the mark. That 314% tax increase is more rhetoric. I look forward to the facts coming out on this . . . there ...more
By Board Watcher (529), East Hampton on Jul 26, 10 7:32 PM
Board Watcher, Come back when you understand the meaning of rhetoric. I'm sure the staff at your local library could point you in the right direction. But why let actual facts get in the way of cranky blather. That might confuse things. Cheers.
By East End 2 (135), Southampton on Jul 27, 10 8:38 AM
Here's what I think the library should do ... sell the current library building as a private residence and build a big beautiful community minded privately funded library in Springs ... and when the new owner of the former library plants hedges all around the property, let's see how many accidents happen at the intersection ...and just how many of the village residents will make the trip to Springs.
And while they are building the library, perhaps they can accommodate the Farmer's Market.
By Nancy Q. (27), east Hampton on Jul 26, 10 8:33 PM
It sure is funny.... I don't remember this many folks upset when they refused to let Barnes & Noble open a store
By joe hampton (3213), south hampton on Jul 26, 10 8:42 PM
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Hey Joe Hampton, that's a great idea ... let Barns & Noble take over the library space when it builds in Springs ...
that way people will still be able to get books (although they will have to pay for them) ... quite a difference between a commercial bookstore and a public library.
And maybe with Barns and Noble on that dangerous corner, the state will allow a traffic light.
By Nancy Q. (27), east Hampton on Jul 27, 10 9:50 AM
The corner is dangerous because people suck at driving!
By ICE (1214), Southhampton on Jul 27, 10 10:15 PM
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yeaaaaa baby
By joe hampton (3213), south hampton on Jul 27, 10 11:19 PM
The thing that kills me is how this issue has become simplified to expand vs. don't expand. Why are there not more proposals that include a much smaller expansion? Because once you start the process it just gets bigger and bigger (check out the houses in Sagaponic). Why not include a steam room with electric towel warmers in the plan? Or a guest house decorated by "locals" Donna Karan and Calvin Klein for when guest lecturers come by? Hell, let's put in a pool. The kids love that!
By Laszlo Lowenstein (37), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 1:03 PM
The size of the new wing was not arbitrarily arrived upon but was determined by architects who have built many many libraries. They determined the amount of space necessary to shelve the additional books necessary to bring the children's book collection to the average size of all East End libraries. Right now the East Hampton Library has the smallest collection in the area. Once the shelf space was determined the architects determined the amount of square feet for the shelves and the amount space ...more
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 1:33 PM
Thank you Dennis. Or is it Tom?
By angelwings (5), east hampton on Jul 29, 10 4:25 PM
The ZBA has ruled.

Referendum is of little legal significance.

An Article 78 suit to challenge the ZBA decision could be protracted and expensive.

Please, library board, get ready to open up the checkbooks, both the library's and perhaps your own personal.

It might be more cost-effective (and mature) to recognize that your architectural and legal representatives continue to lead you down the wrong path.

Might there be some ego's at work here?
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 27, 10 1:37 PM
The library board has an obligation to provide proper library services to the residents of the community. The referendum will advise the Library Board what the community wants ... and that is of great significance. After all, the ZBA are just political appointees. No taxpayer dollars have or will be spent in the planning, appeal, or construction of the new wing.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 7:22 PM
Kindle, or Aluratek readers would reduce books, and shelf space required.

HOWEVER, NEVER, EVER should we remove the tactile experience a child receives from a book. There is just something about turning pages you simply cannot get with an e-reader. If this really is for the children, it should be done.

If there are wealthy people fighting this because they think the middle class out here will be gone, and replaced with a community servile to them who don't need a better library, ...more
Jul 27, 10 2:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
Please note the use of the word "If".
By Mr. Z (10649), North Sea on Jul 27, 10 2:29 PM
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Mr. Z,

You appear to have been blinded by the smoke screen that this is about children and class issues re: Springs etc. access.

It is more complex than that IMO. The ARB has recognized these complexities and simply asked, in effect, that the library refine its request.

It will be interesting, of course, to see if the library board is in charge here, or whether it will allow its legal team to continue to hurtle out of control -- at a greatly increased cost to the library, ...more
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 27, 10 3:43 PM
Mr Z.... The Village Design Review Board already unanimously approved the earlier and larger version of the proposed addition. On the other hand, the ZBA rejected every one of the library's five offers to reduce the size of the addition after the library had gotten the approval of the Design Review Board. . There is no expense to the library or the public for the planning, appeal, or construction of the new wing since all funds are privately donated. You understand that don't you?
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 7:28 PM
Yep, got a decent IQ, actually.

So, I must ask this, who or why is it that the ZBA has issues with the renovation? Is it the Osborne families political interests, or something else?
Jul 27, 10 8:19 PM appended by Mr. Z
See below.
By Mr. Z (10649), North Sea on Jul 27, 10 8:19 PM
So then, the question is, should the library renovation be scaled back to a more "suitable" renovation, and exactly what type of "pork" can be eliminated from the proposal.

If the children are being "used" in a manner to gain something which is not necessary, then that is worse than pathetic.

The other real question I have is, would this be another case of NIMBY, on the part of the neighbors of the library?
By Mr. Z (10649), North Sea on Jul 27, 10 7:04 PM
Yes.

Yes.

No.

IMO
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 27, 10 7:17 PM
Mr. Z. PBR doesn't understand the issues involved.
The size of the new wing was not arbitrarily arrived upon but was determined by architects who have built many, many libraries. They determined the amount of space necessary to shelve the additional books necessary to bring the children's book collection to the average size of all East End libraries. Right now the East Hampton Library has the smallest collection in the area. Once the shelf space was determined the architects determined the ...more
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 7:34 PM
PBR

The opposition says its OK for people in Springs and Northwest to come to the village for church, mail, entertainment and to spend money on shopping and restaurants but they should not come for free library services. They want to exclude those people and turn the library into a village library which a few years ago they controlled. The new library board is geographically diversified with members from Springs, Wainscott, Northwest and Three Mile Harbor. That started all the trouble.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 27, 10 7:37 PM
So, I must ask this, who or why is it that the ZBA has issues with the renovation? Is it the Osborne families political interests, or something else?

Jul 27, 10 8:21 PM appended by Mr. Z
Like, that Springs doesn't pay enough taxes? Ludicrous, in my opinion, seeing as how things for middle class areas are more expensive by comparison to those who have, shall we say "sufficient wealth". Sounds like "de pecuniae" segregation from here.
By Mr. Z (10649), North Sea on Jul 27, 10 8:21 PM
When did anyone say that Springs and Northwest people should not come to the library? Who wants to exclude those people?
You sound very paranoid.
??
By marymare (12), east hampton on Jul 28, 10 1:37 PM
This is addressed to FactChecker two comments above me.
By marymare (12), east hampton on Jul 28, 10 1:39 PM
The village ZBA put it in writing in their denial last week.
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 28, 10 5:46 PM
FactChecker, please post a quote from the ZBA determination regarding the Springs use of the library issue to support your position on this.

Thank you.
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 28, 10 8:55 PM
PS FactChecker,

The Village website has links for the PDF's of the ZBA determination and appendices at the bottom of the menu boxes at the top of this page:

http://www.easthamptonvillage.org/permits.htm

The only discussion I see, on a quick online review of the determination PDF, of the Springs issue is on pp. 38-39.

Here, the determination seems to work overtime to point to improving and fostering library access for the children living in Springs. Granted this ...more
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 28, 10 9:23 PM
In reply to PBR ... The ZBA and its opposition ally the Village Preservation Society, have repeatedly made it clear they do not want the Library to serve residents outside the Village.

For example, in the Final Environmental Impact Study (p31) the ZBA states:

" this proposal to enlarge the only Library building in the center of the Village is inconsistent with the goals of having each neighborhood or hamlet servicing its own residents' needs"

The fact is that the ...more
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 29, 10 8:29 AM
Factchecker Just out of curiousity do you serve on the board? What is your affiliation with the library?
By razza5350 (1906), East Hampton on Jul 29, 10 3:33 PM
FactChecker thank you for your reply.

In my opinion, you are reading this in the most negatively possible light, and your repeated assertion, here quoted from just above:

" . . . they have repeatedly made it clear they do not want the Library to serve residents outside the Village . . . "

This statement is over-broad and inaccurate IMO -- basically not in keeping with "checking" the "facts."

Note the adjectives and abverbs used in these phrase:

-- repeatedly
-- ...more
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 30, 10 1:27 PM
See 7/31 reply below.
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 31, 10 2:52 PM
PBR --- Nice try. Goodbye
By FactChecker (21), East Hampton on Jul 30, 10 10:10 PM
A factual response (with detailed quotes) might be appreciated by all, given that you hold yourself out to be the FactChecker!

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 30, 10 10:19 PM
FactChecker,

"Nice try?"

You appear here as the FactChecker and then say "Goodbye" when the kitchen gets hot?

Please disclose your relationship to the library and its legal and architectural teams, and answer all questions posted above by various posters with detailed factual quotations.

Thank you.

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Jul 31, 10 2:47 PM
It would appear that FactChecker has no factual quarrels with the 7/30 1:27 PM post above.

Perhaps the library's directors, and its legal and architectural teams, will wake up and consider canceling the legally irrelevant referendum?

Or everyone can keep writing checks to satisfy the same old egos?
By PBR (4880), Southampton on Aug 2, 10 4:51 PM
PBR - it IS a legally irrelevant forum because, it is my understanding, each of the school districts (and their constituents) contibuting to this fiasco would have to be notified legally of the referandum and actually cast votes for any "decsion" to be valid. And you are 100% correct - TLSK et al asking for a "public opinion" poll to keep paying themselves from "private donations" is ludicrous. I agree with you.
By Board Watcher (529), East Hampton on Aug 2, 10 10:29 PM
I am a parent living in East Hampton - the children's wing of the EH Library is ridiculously small and limited. Honestly, I don't understand the resistance -
this is a gorgeous public resource that could be made so much better for ALL members of this community! The Traffic is beach traffic! And unlike the movie theater, or the shops, or Guild Hall - all of which I enjoy by the way - you don't have to pay to use the library. Truly the children of our community - and I mean all of our children, ...more
By Greenspace (1), East Hampton on Aug 3, 10 9:38 AM