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New Golf Course, Housing Development Proposed In East Quogue

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Michael Wright   Jul 24, 2013 7:34 AM
Jul 24, 2013 12:03 PM

The owners of more than 400 acres in East Quogue are now looking to build a golf course and 82-lot residential development on their land, if they can secure a change of zone from the Southampton Town Board to allow their project, after attempts to preserve the property fell through.

Though its application is not official yet, the developer, East Quogue Partners LLC, is proposing that the town approve a planned development district, or PDD—a special overlay zoning designation that allows uses otherwise precluded by current zoning—for the project, dubbed The Hills at Southampton. In accordance with the town’s PDD guidelines, the Town Board scheduled a pre-application public hearing on the new development plans for Tuesday, August 27, at 6 p.m.

The proposal asks the Town Board to consider changing the zone on the property, which is actually eight separate parcels, from strictly residential to a Mixed-Use PDD, to allow for the construction of the golf course, a clubhouse and the housing units. Under current zoning, the property is tagged for residential development with minimum lot sizes of a half acre. The pre-application does not specify if the developers want to build a 9- or 18-hole golf course.

Attempts by Suffolk County and Southampton Town to jointly purchase the property fell through, according to County Legislator Jay Schneiderman.

The land proposed for the golf course and housing subdivision lies just north of Lewis Road, near the intersection with Old Country Road. Some of the property extends north of Sunrise Highway. The property encompasses a former sand mine and town planners in the past have suggested that the golf course and fewer houses would be a preferable use of the land as compared to the larger residential development.

The proposal for the golf course and cluster of homes around it has been around for more than three years as the developer has tried to find alternatives to its original plans for the property, which called for only an 82-lot residential subdivision.

The idea of a golf course was apparently suggested by town planners as a possible good economic use for the former sand mine property, since it is already highly disturbed and would not likely be land targeted for open space preservation by the town’s Community Preservation Fund. When first proposed in 2009, planners said the main concern with the idea of a golf course would be protection of groundwater supplies from fertilizer and herbicide use on a golf course. They noted, however, that a golf course development would have no impact on the East Quogue School District, a major objection by residents to the residential subdivision, and “brings a nice quality to East Quogue,” in the words of former town planner Jefferson Murphree.

A portion of the land falls in the Pine Barrens Core Preservation area, which bars any development, though most of it is in the “compatible growth” area, which allows for some restricted development.

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By William Rodney (232), southampton on Jul 24, 13 8:06 AM
Why don't we just make the entire South Shore east of Moriches a golf course, and just get it overwith.

We had a racetrack, now it's a golf course.

We had a gorgeous preserve called Bayberry Land, now it's a golf course.

We had farmland which produced food in Bridgehampton, but it became another golf course.

There are 124 golf courses/clubs on Long Island. 13 of them are east of the canal. Just what we need, number 125...

By Mr. Z (6117), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 8:25 AM
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No prob. A new link to the Shirley to Boston Causeway should be fairly easy to build. We need jobs, and the FED can just print more money.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle
By Nero (164), Sag Harbor on Jul 24, 13 11:46 AM
No, WE didn't have a preserve called Bayberry Land, private owners had an estate. WE didn't have farmland in Bridgehampton, individual families had farmland in Bridgehampton. Why don't YOU just buy up every vacant parcel in the town if you never want to see it change or do you feel you have a right to dictate to the taxpaying landowners how they can use THEIR property?
Jul 25, 13 1:19 PM appended by VOS
It also appears, according to the article above that half acre zoning exists on these parcels. Allowing 20% for roads and other infrastructure would yield 640 single family houses without need for any variances. I'll take the golf course and 82 houses any day, and I don't even play golf.
By VOS (594), WHB on Jul 24, 13 1:19 PM
I tend to agree with VOS here - bayberry was private and there has been significant amounts of farmland that have been preserved through development rightsand ag subdivisions and the like. A golf course is not the WORST thing that could happen and you're looking at a minimum of 200 acres of this site being dedicated to the Town as open space as part of any application...
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 2:46 PM
Sorry, potential preserve in Bayberry Land. And no, I don't expect anyone to listen or follow any orders. It's my opinion VOS, so get over it. I mean, 'cause really who needs locally produced food anyway. It's much more delicious to have hothouse, or other green tomatoes ethylene gassed to ripen them, with zero nutritional value trucked in from Florida.

And, we all pay taxes. Just in different places. We supported those farms, as did the others all their produce was consumed by. And, ...more
Jul 24, 13 3:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
And maybe if we tried hard enough some FLP money via the USDA could be obtained to extend the range of the pine barrens. The Forest Legacy program has done South Boulder Creek watershed in Colorado managed to squeeze $5,000,000 from the program...
By Mr. Z (6117), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 3:48 PM
Z- what are your thoughts on the free market dictating how many golf courses we can support?
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 3:52 PM
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I think we need to go FLP on this one.
By Mr. Z (6117), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 4:01 PM
not familiar with that term Z
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 4:20 PM
ok - I see the description. What do you mean by "extend the range of the pine barrens"?
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 24, 13 4:21 PM
If say 5M could be appropriated, maybe that could sate the fiscal appetite of the developers, and incursion toward the "core area" could be lessened and eliminate any "restricted development". It could be considered an exercise in groundwater conservation.

It could be a solid chance to place more of a buffer between development, and the barrens if not only Town and County money were available, but throw in some FLP money as well. It couldn't hurt to try.
By Mr. Z (6117), North Sea on Jul 24, 13 6:45 PM
Biggest issue here is $$$. The owners could be bluffing about development which is a common tactic. They will get their approvals for a PDD with X number of houses and an 18 hole championship golf course/country club then come to the Town and say "are you interested in buying now?"

The government can only purchase land at an appraised value which is derived from combining the apprasails of two independent (and well vetted) appraisers. When an appraiser looks at the value of the land, ...more
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 13 9:05 AM
13 courses east of the canal, and the public, I believe, is allowed to play on two of them, one of which is in Montauk. The golf course, if open to the public, sounds good to me.

As for the Bayberry Land, I finally got to see what it looked like now that it is no longer a "preserve" but a golf course that, for at least one week, was open to the public.
By BigBlue (12), Water Mill on Jul 25, 13 1:41 PM
3 are public: Poxabogue (if you can count that as a golf course haha - SH Town), Sag Harbor (NYS) and Montauk Downs (NYS)
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Jul 25, 13 2:53 PM
Reminds me of speculators buying up a commodity to raise the prices and place bets on derivative contracts. It's interesting how they had to lobby pretty heavily to exempt derivatives from gaming laws.

Any rate, it would be nice to see a larger buffer between development, and the pine barrens.
By Mr. Z (6117), North Sea on Jul 25, 13 4:45 PM
just build condo's everywhere.
or a home depot ..I mean art museum.
.. the quarry in SH has 82 I think, AND NO POOL.
..luxury condos ..we need more, 1 tennis court NO POOL. now that's luxury.
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..condos near the dump, condos in an old motel, woods on a hill now condos, condos at the canal, condos on the sod farms, condos in the pine barrens.
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CONDOS Mr Z .. how ya lovin them condos ??
By david h (298), southampton on Jul 24, 13 8:35 AM
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No, no, no! PLEASE NO!!! :(
By Miss K. (95), East Quogue on Jul 24, 13 9:21 AM
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"The Hills at Southampton?"

I thought is was in East Quogue -- but wait, I guest East Quogue doesn't have the cachet associated with "Southampton" when it comes to golf.
By Frank Wheeler (1260), Northampton on Jul 24, 13 11:46 AM
more houses = more taxes ..
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what part of development 101 and business of government 101 and expense of infrastructure 101 .. and taxes only go up 101 classes did ya miss ??
By david h (298), southampton on Jul 24, 13 11:46 AM
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more land taken from the deer, where are they going to go?
By LovinLife (14), East Quogue on Jul 26, 13 9:26 AM
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Hunting season is just around the corner...yummy venison! :D
By Jaws (165), Amity Island on Aug 1, 13 12:55 AM
Olde Vine Golf Club in Riverhead has great deals for new members right now.
By PatMeyersfield (1), Great Neck, New York on Aug 1, 13 1:48 PM
Proposing a golf course is one way to get approval for a change in zoning. What the developers want is to build more homes and will after the golf course folds. Look to Brookhaven Town to see the golf courses that have been built and after a short time they fold and are then able to convince the town to allow them to build more homes. They care little for the impact on the community and that is what this is about. When they build the homes they currently want more children will come into the EQ ...more
By crusader (243), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 10:55 AM
That's wholly innacurate.

The Golf Course in Mastic/Shirley went bellyup and the owner wanted to convert it to housing. It went through a very lengthy process with various iterations. The School District and community were heavily involved and the project ultimately was designed to minimize impacts on schools. A large majority of the residences are age restricted.

Additionally, Brookhaven received I believe 50% of the property as open space and the underlying zoning on the ...more
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 13 11:17 AM
The operative word is "minimize" the impact, nonetheless the local schools were impacted!!!! Having lived near in the Mill Pond Golf course area I know that situation well. The residents were told by the town officials that because they approved the golf course, no houses would be built on that property. When owners gave the remaining part of the golf course to the town they were allowed to build houses on the other part. NO change is zoning should be approved to allow this builder to circumvent ...more
By crusader (243), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 12:00 PM
It would be interesting to know which political operatives have a stake in the change in zoning for this project? Current Suffolk GOP Leader John Jay LaValle was supervisor in Brookhaven during the Mill Pond Golf course period. Nuzzi and Preston-Scalera hail from Brookhaven and owe LaValle big. The Brookhaven Allstate land deal was rumored to have caused LaValle to not seek reelection. Vast sums of money involved here..........
By crusader (243), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 12:40 PM
You're true to your name Crusader...

I stand by my opinion that your claims (above and below) are wrong. Again, what made the one in shirley/mastic unique was the fact that the underlying zoning was Residential, meaning they didn't need a COZ to put housing there. They could have done as of right single-family homes, but instead did a cluster, gave 1/2 to the Town and did age restricted housing, this all resulted in a much smaller impact than what would have occured from as-of-right ...more
By Nature (2567), Hampton Bays on Aug 9, 13 2:51 PM
Politics has everything to do with zoning changes.........

By crusader (243), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 9:07 PM
Proposing a golf course is one way to get approval for a change in zoning. What the developers want is to build more homes and will after the golf course folds. Look to Brookhaven Town to see the golf courses that have been built and after a short time they fold and are then able to convince the town to allow them to build more homes. They care little for the impact on the community and that is what this is about. When they build the homes they currently want more children will come into the EQ ...more
By crusader (243), East Quogue on Aug 9, 13 10:55 AM
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