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Dec 7, 2016 10:02 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Second Hearing On 'Hills' Application Gets Rowdy

Dec 7, 2016 10:48 AM

The banging of chairs, disruptive shouting and loud choruses of boos frequently filled the air during the second public hearing on a proposed luxury golf resort application targeting East Quogue on Monday night.

The situation prompted Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman to repeatedly reprimand audience members who kept interrupting those offering their opinion of the proposed project, “The Hills at Southampton.”

“Being disrespectful doesn’t further your cause,” Mr. Schneiderman told the most disruptive of audience members gathered inside the East Quogue Elementary School cafeteria during the hearing, which lasted more than four hours and featured more than 100 speakers. “Whether you agree or disagree, don’t interrupt the speaker. I don’t want anyone to feel intimidated to speak their minds.”

Those warnings, however, did little to calm the most opinionated and passionate audience members, some of whom were later criticized for verbally attacking certain speakers—namely, those who support the planned development district application filed by Discovery Land Company.

Maria Daddino of East Quogue, a community columnist for The Press, said Al Algieri, president of the East Quogue Civic Association, got in her face after she expressed her support of the project, which calls for the construction of 118 residential units and an 18-hole golf course on 168 acres near Spinney Road in the hamlet.

“It was frightening in the sense that we are all members of the same community,” Ms. Daddino said on Tuesday, noting that Monday night was the first time she offered her opinion of the project.

In fact, so many people were shouting and interrupting her that Mr. Schneiderman needed to reset the clock; individuals were each given three minutes to offer their opinions on Monday, the second of four public hearings on the project’s draft environmental impact statement.

Once she left the podium, Ms. Daddino said several project opponents continued to shout at her, with Mr. Algieri approaching her in the audience.

“I said to Maria, ‘You just lie,’” Mr. Algieri said when contacted on Tuesday. “It was not an incident. I said it right to her face.”

“I have a right to my opinion,” Ms. Daddino countered. “I was just totally floored. It was shocking how rowdy the meeting got—the way people were yelling and booing.”

She later added: “This is the town that I loved, and I always loved the people in it. I thought they were the kindest, nicest people—and, at last night’s meeting, it was surreal. I was not prepared for that. I wasn’t prepared for the anger that surfaced.”

Donna Lanzetta of East Quogue, who serves as president of the East Quogue Chamber of Commerce and also supports the project, said she was disappointed to see how some of her neighbors conducted themselves. “It was horrible,” she said. “It was really bad … I think they see people are starting to speak up, and people are trying to be heard, and the majority are in favor of this development.

“I noticed clanking chairs when people were saying things that [project opponents] didn’t like,” she added.

Mr. Algieri disputed those observations, saying he did not think the meeting got out of hand.

“There were five or six people who got rowdy,” he said. “They got nervous. They got upset after hearing the same lie after lie after lie.”

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There is absolutely no reason for this kind of disrespectful behavior. The supporters in the audience did not boo or yell or do anything to try to diminish what the few opponents had to say. But many people speaking in support were interrupted by those who oppose the proposal. I hope Mr. Algieri apologizes to Ms. Daddino. He got in her face. He was yelling and pointing his finger in her face. He was carrying a strange stick and hovering behind the speakers most of the night. Anyone who knows ...more
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 7, 16 12:01 PM
SportsMom, you need to disclose that you are a paid consultant for this project. While its obvious to anyone who looks at all your posts, it's a fact and it should be disclosed.
By winkelby (34), westhampton on Dec 8, 16 6:09 AM
Is this the pot calling the kettle black? This post is disgusting. The stick in question was a walking stick used by an elderly woman. You know nothing of the Shinnecock Shores community and its neighbor Pinesfield's considerations of road access. How much time have you devoted to your community and its well being? You, ma'am, are a bully. I hope your children, who I assume from your name, play sports, play fairly and do not learn from the kind of tactics we all see clearly the developer espouses.
By Taz (228), East Quogue on Dec 7, 16 12:16 PM
Hello Taz. I guess you were not at the meeting. There was a lovely woman who spent part of her 83rd birthday party at the meeting and she had a walking stick. The stick I was referring to was the one that Mr. Algieri was wielding all night. I have never seen him use a walking stick before. As for me, I devote a lot of time to my community and volunteer at the schools, the wildlife refuge, the animal shelter and other events. How about you? And sir/mam, I am not a bully. Never have been, ...more
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 7, 16 1:15 PM
Mr. Algieri has always been a bully! He thinks he is the mayor of EQ and if you don't agree with him he gets nasty. There have been many good people who tried to get involved with the civic but again if you don't agree or ask questions about the finances you get the nasty Al! He needs to know that the people of East Quogue have had enough of him!

Most people in town are not a fan of his- His action were see firsthand bullying Ms. Daddino who is one of the nicest people in East Quogue. ...more
By turkeyloser (19), east quogue on Dec 7, 16 12:21 PM
So if you say something against the Hills project Al Jezera will attack you. Kind of makes me support the project even more.
By Gillnetter (68), Hampton Bays on Dec 7, 16 12:32 PM
Mr. Algieri was standing in the hallway at the side of the auditorium listening to all the comments. To categorize this as bullying is surprising since there were at least five of the developers sitting right in front of the podium during the entire meeting. Please speak for yourself if you dislike someone. You have no right to speak for the citizens of East Quogue. Al is the elected President of our Civic Association, and I thank him for his service and many many hours he has spent in the best ...more
By Taz (228), East Quogue on Dec 7, 16 12:34 PM
Hi Taz. You can't avoid it. Mr. Algieri bullied Maria Daddino. Please don't try to defend his actions.
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 7, 16 1:21 PM
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Can someone ask me how the civic association paying for all the mail and letters he is sending out, Word on the street he is using east Quogue beatification money. That would be a NO NO!
By turkeyloser (19), east quogue on Dec 7, 16 12:43 PM
hahaha.

this is about as weak of a trolling attempt as i've ever seen here:
- username mocking a regular poster (check)
- relatively no history (check)
- nonsense accusation lobbed (check)

hahahaha, hoping that 'turkeyloser' is Mark H, himself!
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (374), southampton on Dec 7, 16 12:54 PM
Taz. I am breaking my self imposed silence to address you directly and your consistent mistruths. There were hundreds of people at that hearing who witnessed Algieri with that stick. Not the rough cut staff that the elderly lady had, but a bamboo cane that Algieri himself wielded. You either weren't there or you are lying to cover for him. He was heartily jeering supporters of the project. He and his cronies were waiving their signs regardless of the content of the support comments. A mother speaking ...more
By Mark Hissey (149), Melville on Dec 7, 16 12:54 PM
omg, this thread is about to become dumber than the one about local residents responding to a trump victory
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (374), southampton on Dec 7, 16 12:59 PM
Trump saved the world. The US under Trump will be the catalyst for events all over the world.Only Trump could have beat Crooked Hillary & MSM!

I never saw one man take such a beating, for so long, at such an old age.

TRiUMPh!
By They call me (2075), southampton on Dec 7, 16 1:28 PM
Hey Mark, do you still want to turn Cow Neck into another golf course?
By Mr. Z (9164), North Sea on Dec 8, 16 6:19 AM
No. I'm right here. And I'm furious st the way Maria Daddino was treated. You can feel free to contact me too. That fact that you find humor in such repulsive behavior says everything about you. Why don't you and Taz expose yourselves? Why the secrecy? Go ahead. Then address the next hearing. Defend your positions.
By Mark Hissey (149), Melville on Dec 7, 16 12:59 PM
... Mark, didn't I see you take an anti-Hills sticker that someone affixed to the podium and throw it at Dick Amper, or was that someone that just looked like you?
By William Rodney (446), southampton on Dec 7, 16 1:41 PM
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Yes, the developer has their minions espousing their integrity, honesty and trustworthiness ,yet they encourage their lobbyists from out of town to speak without revealing that they are part of the Long Island Business Institute lobby. The prime example being Lois Fricke who rattled off a bunch of local names who "asked her to speak for them" and never told the audience about her role with LIBI. Honesty and Integrity at its' best.
By zappy (34), east quogue on Dec 7, 16 2:48 PM
LIBI. Long Island Builders Institute.

Long Island Business Institute is a business school.
By Draggerman (640), Southampton on Dec 8, 16 7:58 AM
Yes, that is one. But there is also the lobby.
By zappy (34), east quogue on Dec 8, 16 9:02 AM
The leadership at our Town Board is weak, first with ATH and now with Mr.Schneiderman . They allow some self-proclaimed civic leaders undue influence. They never check as to whether an individual who says they speak for an organization actually does and not that they are just speaking for themselves or a handful of like minded people. They allow organizations like OLA access to choosing a new police chief. These self-proclaimed civic leaders prey on the weakness of the leadership.
By HB Proud (639), Hampton Bays on Dec 7, 16 2:57 PM
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That's correct Bill. That was me. Not only was it out of order but it was defacing school property. I would have removed a "Yes Hills" one too.
By Mark Hissey (149), Melville on Dec 7, 16 4:49 PM
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... good answer! It is the "throwing at someone" part I have a concern with. You are better than that.
By William Rodney (446), southampton on Dec 7, 16 5:17 PM
Perhaps I need to refresh Ms Daddino and her colleagues at The Press that this is not the first time that Ms Daddino spoke up with respect to "The Hills" project.

I refer in part to the February 18, 2015 online article titled, "Supporters, Opponents Sound Off On Proposed Benefits of East Quogue Golf Course Development." Maria Daddino........."she thinks the application currently on the table is a good compromise between those who want to preserve the property and those who wish it developed......." ...more
By crusader (363), East Quogue on Dec 7, 16 6:47 PM
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Wow. So are you saying that it is OK for her to be bullied and yelled at because she has a different opinion than others? That does not sound right. And to suggest that Maria Daddino "outright lied to garner sympathy" is ridiculous. She was put into tears at the meeting by someone yelling in her face for respectfully voicing her opinion. Come on. Let's show some common courtesy and decency.
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 7, 16 7:20 PM
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I'll take protecting the honor of Ms Daddino any day of the week. The gross behavior of you and your side repulse me. You've illustrated it here perfectly. Give the stalking, prowling, bullying Al Algieri a pass while disparaging a person of the dignity of Maria Daddino.

I suspect that you know me and I know you. Maybe not. But I'd love to know who you are so we can be honest with each other because I sincerely want nothing to do with you if so.
By Mark Hissey (149), Melville on Dec 7, 16 10:39 PM
... sounds like the "have a cold Corona together" thing is off the table.
By William Rodney (446), southampton on Dec 8, 16 6:10 AM
Mr Hissey what gross behavior are you accusing me of? Calling attention to the fact that Ms Daddino has in fact spoken out in favor of your project before? Yet she misleads the residents and those who read The Press that she has not.

I did not witness any bullying by Mr Algeri. If it did take place in was in the hallway out of public viewing. I do not condone such behavior if it did take place because it takes away from the real issue here. Many of us do not want "The Hills" projects golf ...more
By crusader (363), East Quogue on Dec 8, 16 8:24 AM
Cold Coronas are ALWAYS on the table. You should join in Bill!
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 8, 16 9:38 PM
Maybe I've spent too much time in nasty bars -- forget 'maybe,' I have -- but I was at the hearing from 6:00 till 10:00 and didn't really observe all that much bad behavior, in the form of noise or otherwise.

Full disclosure: I'm an opponent, and it's my side that's being charged with this, so I guess that reduces my credibility. If Al really did bully Maria or anyone else, he shouldn't have, but I didn't see it. Maybe it happened out in the hallway, I don't know, but I can't deny that ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1695), Quiogue on Dec 7, 16 7:17 PM
Not sure about your bar stints but I can see that you are an opponent, which does not diminish your credibility. Just because I value my credibility, I said there were "few" because relatively speaking, there were few speakers -- you are probably right that there were about 30 opponents who spoke -- about half of which spoke for the second time. So maybe 15 or 16 were new to speak about the proposal compared to 45 or 50 who spoke in favor of the Hills for the first time in the proceedings. In ...more
By SportsMom (15), Quogue on Dec 7, 16 7:48 PM
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You love to twist the truth Mr. Bridge. Of the 30 or 40 opponents, more than half were repeat speakers. You might want to look at the facts of that. Its easy enough to follow. The count wasn't even close to 50/50, never mind counting the repeat speakers who were opponents. Sportsmom seems to be keeping a keener eye on things than you. Your misguided insult directed towards her are pretty typical.

As a champion of the Democratic Party (I'm proud to say that I am a rabid Democrat myself) ...more
By Mark Hissey (149), Melville on Dec 7, 16 10:34 PM
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This is ridiculous process. It is the same or similar that happened with the CPI Project. While some is mandated, it can't believe it can't be streamlined. Individual make up names of some group that they are the head of "Friends of this" "Alliance of that" and speak for "their group". Even some organized civic leaders have a sense of self-importance and think they speak for their community without really checking what their community wants and they stand in righteous indignation when you ...more
By HB Proud (639), Hampton Bays on Dec 8, 16 6:04 AM
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Like we really need another [expletive deleted] golf course.

How about something useful, like a drag strip?
By Mr. Z (9164), North Sea on Dec 8, 16 6:24 AM
How about all of those whining and crying that they need a dragstrip actually pool their money, buy a piece of property and submit all the appropriate applications to build said permit? I don't understand this idea that dragstrip proponents have that somehow they are owed something and the County or Riverhead should just give them the land
By Nature (2952), Southampton on Dec 8, 16 7:48 AM
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Never said they should do any of that.

But thanks for the rant no nonetheless.
Dec 8, 16 4:56 PM appended by Mr. Z
However it should be noted that it was the Town and County who stripped the drag strip of their non-conforming using zoning laws to build senior housing. Note the drag strip had been there since 1952. So yeah, they pretty much legally screwed everyone who used the drag strip and are responsible for getting rid of it. Seems to me a nice gesture would be to create an alternative to street racing, considering who the parties were that took away a thriving business from the area...
By Mr. Z (9164), North Sea on Dec 8, 16 4:56 PM
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The one thing I noted at this meeting is the rude comments and heckling came from the opponents.

I also am quite shocked that the Group for the East End spent time and money to redesign the project for DLC. Bob Deluca isn't a developer. He has no experience selling developments and, yet, he feels he's qualified to propose an" Equestrian Resort". With trail rides. Kind of like a dude ranch? SMFH.
By Draggerman (640), Southampton on Dec 8, 16 7:54 AM
I guess those of us in the opposition have made some progress. To paraphrase Shakespeare, Methinks thou dost protest too much. The fact that the public comments increased from 75 to 100 since the last meeting and that people were willing to sit in those uncomfortable chairs for so many hours shows the level of citizens' concern about this project. Why were the pro Hills people all standing around the edges of the room showing their stickers and signs? Why didn't they take a seat as Mr. Schneiderman ...more
By Taz (228), East Quogue on Dec 8, 16 10:25 AM
I thought the only question is whether is change in zoning will benefit the community or not. (am i wrong?) ...pending environmental reviews of course.

...we all know the list of benefits put out by the developer at this point...

It seems like the conversation has shifted - there is no overall benefit to the community aside from a handful of finite offerings from DLC.

Yet there are threats that 'as of right development' is so bad that the town had better accept the plan ...more
By adkvkdiesldkrive (9), southampton on Dec 8, 16 10:59 AM
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What is TB going to do when his beloved Dem’s vote for the project -

also Al even verifies that yes people against the Hills would slam chairs if they didn't like what they heard. Looks like Al is dipping into the extremist play book. According to Al violence and intimidation is ok if you don't like someone else's opinion and you claim you are "nervous"
By turkeyloser (19), east quogue on Dec 8, 16 12:42 PM
pretty sure you just made that whole thing up from 'looks like Al...

By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (374), southampton on Dec 8, 16 2:15 PM
The Best & The Brighest - all in a devious scheme to harm East Quogue & Southampton:

Robert Deluca (President of Group for the East End) , Al Algieri (President of East Quogue Civic Association), Richard Amper (Executive Director of the Pine Barrens Society), Janice Landis (President of Hampton Bays Civic Association), Ron Kass (President of CLEAN), Andrea Spilka (Southampton Water Alliance), William Kearns (Water Alliance), Cornell University, Joan Hughes (East Quogue Citizens Advisory ...more
By sag2harbor (117), sag harbor on Dec 8, 16 3:40 PM
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Mr, Hissey:

[1] I was the first to acknowledge that the opponents may have been as few as 30 or 40, then you and SportsMom picked up on the low figure, so how am I twisting the truth.

[2] Don't know what on earth your being a Democrat has to do with anything, but for me, it's a lovely opportunity to exercise the principle of No Favoritism To Democrats.

[3] Not only are you playing games with the hopes and dreams of parents, but you're trying to shift the responsibility ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1695), Quiogue on Dec 8, 16 4:35 PM
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Mr, yissem:

[1] I was the first to acknowledge that the opponents may have been as few as 30 or 40, then you and SportsMom picked up on the low figure, so how am I twisting the truth.

[2] Don't know what on earth your being a Democrat has to do with anything, but for me, it's a lovely opportunity to exerc e principle of No Favoritism To Democrats.

[3] Not only are you playing games with the hopes and dreams of parents, but you're trying to shift the responsibility ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1695), Quiogue on Dec 8, 16 4:35 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By Draggerman (640), Southampton on Dec 8, 16 9:30 PM
Saf2Harbor, I am not for or against the Hills, but I am against when heads of groups (of which I happen to be a member of several) think they speak for a group when they actually just speak for themselves. I have never received survey of how I felt about the Hills nor have I signed an authorization form for them to speak for me. I support the HB Civic so they could put Duckies in the water and have a nice community event, not to speak on my behalf on major development projects. They have no right ...more
By HB Proud (639), Hampton Bays on Dec 9, 16 10:14 AM
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My comment was deleted, yet just last week TB asked frank wheeler the same question...
By Draggerman (640), Southampton on Dec 9, 16 10:35 AM
Sorry, my last post above was doubly submitted by mistake, unproofed and incomplete, though the first version above is better. Just for continuity, I'll retype the unfinished #4, complete it, and go on from there:

(4) The issue of school children and revenue isn't a matter of the science or economics you claim I haven't looked at; it's a matter of the law, which is my profession. You will never be able to keep your residents from sending their children to the local school, and you will ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1695), Quiogue on Dec 9, 16 10:54 AM
Best comment to date / best burn

'Here's the dispositive fact: There is no market for 118 big-time luxury homes, out in the woods in East Quogue, without a golf course, at the price point you want. Just look at nearby Southampton Pines, they've only sold around half their lots, and they're probably a bargain compared to what you contemplate charging. The as of right alternative is a fiction, pure and simple. '

Thank you.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (374), southampton on Dec 9, 16 11:23 AM
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Correction: I've been calling this proposed project The Hills at East Quogue, but it's officially The Hills at Southampton -- yet another lie by the developer.
By Turkey Bridge (1695), Quiogue on Dec 10, 16 9:52 AM
Semantics, George. It's in the Town of Southampton...

I agree, though. It's a stretch. But these homes will be most likely marketed nationally to buyers unaware of the local geographic boundaries. Can't blame Mr. Hissey, et al, for putting garnish on the plate. The taxes will be paid to "The Town of Southampton"... (so the 3 Jays can spend spend spend)-sorry George. I had to...

By Draggerman (640), Southampton on Dec 10, 16 11:30 AM
San Gennaro Feast of the Hamptons, Hampton Bays, Scottos