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Judge Denies Town's Request To Remove Storm-Damaged Cars From Speonk Property

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Carol Moran   Dec 14, 2012 5:22 PM
Dec 19, 2012 11:34 AM
A State Supreme Court judge on Friday afternoon denied Southampton Town’s request for a temporary restraining order that would have forced the removal of thousands of storm-damaged vehicles now being stored near a sand mine in Speonk.

But Judge Thomas F. Whelan also ruled that the estimated 5,000 vehicles damaged by Hurricane Sandy cannot be dismantled or otherwise tampered with, and that the site off Speonk-Riverhead Road cannot accept any additional cars or trucks, according to Southampton Town Attorney Tiffany Scarlato.

Ms. Scarlato said she could not give a reason why Judge Whelan denied the request to have the vehicles removed, but said on Monday that she thought he probably took into consideration the emergency circumstances created by Hurricane Sandy.

She also said that Copart, a national car auction company, had been storing... more

Editor, the article would benefit from a bit more detail on the nature of the Town's motion for the judge. Was it seeking a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order), or a Preliminary Injunction? The standards for these two different motions are quite different, and it would appear that the judge DID make certain rulings which would minimize, or prevent, "irreparable injury" from the cars that are already there, and from additional cars which might have been brought to the site.

Are any of the ...more
By PBR (2330), Southampton on Dec 14, 12 6:19 PM
This does not bode well for the environment in Southampton or other east end places which are stricken by so many vehicles. These cars did not come from here - but are allowed to threaten our health/safety/drinking water/quality of life? What a shame.

And I'm not surprised in the least to hear the verdict knowing that it's Judge Whelan. He has a terrible record when it comes to agreeing with municipalities no matter what the argument.

So far the cars @ EPCAL haven't been removed ...more
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Dec 15, 12 9:34 AM
Nature, I told you in an earlier post the judge has no right to make the owner remove the cars. There needs to be a trial or a settlement thats how it works in this country. So why the judge in this case? The ruling is terrible but what can you do?
By chief1 (639), southampton on Dec 15, 12 6:18 PM
It's ok to admit you were wrong. The judge didn't rule that he didn't have the power to make them remove the vehicles - he simply ruled that he would NOT make them remove the vehicles. Not surprised considering his track record.

And as for what HB90 has to say - PBR is right. The vehicle storage is a violation of zoning regulations and is a potential danger to the health and well-being of the community
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Dec 15, 12 10:57 PM
Are these cars on private property? If so, the Towns really have no business trying to get them moved absent some grave enviornmental hazard, i/m/o.
By HB90 (41), southampton on Dec 15, 12 8:18 PM
Zoning laws apply, and storage of cars etc. either is or is not a permitted use.

The correctness of the judge's ruling can only be assessed within the procedural context of the Town's motion: a TRO probably. If the hearing on the 28th is for a preliminary injunction, the court will be following different standards, and a clear zoning violation COULD result in an order to remove the cars.
By PBR (2330), Southampton on Dec 15, 12 9:02 PM
SHTown has it's own plot for storing cars - it has been there for many years as have hundreds of cars. The County has stored cars in WHB for years too, thousands of them. With all the long term leaky cars stored by SHTown for years, why is storing Sandy damaged cars temporarily a problem now?
By G (152), Southampton on Dec 17, 12 7:43 AM
G,
Don't let any facts get in your way. The SCPD has sored vehicles at the Westhampton Police Facilities for years. Never more than a few hundred. Not "thousands" as you claim. And it is the SCPD, NOT SHTown that has been doing it. Very few of them damaged by storms or floods, most likely, impounds for vehicle and trafffic violations.
By But I'm a blank! (325), Hampton Bays on Dec 17, 12 10:04 AM
Did this hearing take place today?
By PBR (2330), Southampton on Dec 28, 12 7:27 PM
New article posted. Link not yet above. Hearing postponed until Friday 1/4.

By PBR (2330), Southampton on Jan 2, 13 1:24 PM
thanks
By Nature (1414), Hampton Bays on Jan 2, 13 1:39 PM
Link to new article is now above. The Town's motion is for a Preliminary Injunction. Further comments under other article.
By PBR (2330), Southampton on Jan 2, 13 6:39 PM
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