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Demos Faces Objections To Petition, Accuses Altschuler of Organizing Them

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Rohma Abbas   Apr 24, 2012 6:16 PM
Apr 24, 2012 6:24 PM

Four Republicans from western Suffolk County are attempting to knock Republican George Demos off the ballot in a primary election against Republican Randy Altschuler in June.

Last week, four individuals filed general objections to Mr. Demos’s 2,000-signature Republican designating petition with the Suffolk County Board of Elections, according to an official within Democratic Commissioner Anita Katz’s office, who declined to give her name. Those individuals are James J. Jost of Nesconset, Mary Magnifico of Mt. Sinai, Marlene Wolke of Smithtown, and Jerome Rosen of Brookhaven.

Both Mr. Demos of Ronkonkoma, a former prosecutor for the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, and Mr. Altschuler, a businessman from St. James, are competing for a chance to unseat Democratic U.S. Representative Tim Bishop in an election this November.

The individuals who filed objections have until the end of the day Wednesday, April 25, to file specific objections to the petition, the BOE official said. The BOE will then determine the validity of the objections.

Mr. Demos said the effort to block him from competing in the primary election was organized by Mr. Altschuler. “Randy Altschuler has a major problem, and that is that he knows that his outsourcing of American jobs to India is an impediment to his getting elected,” Mr. Demos said. “So, instead of facing the voters on the ballot, he would rather maneuver through back-room deals to try to get the only conservative thrown off the ballot.”

But Diana Weir, Mr. Altschuler’s spokeswoman, said the campaign had nothing to do with the objections.

“He’s flailing,” Ms. Weir said. “So he’ll say anything, do anything. I mean, he’s just basically throwing mud on the wall to see what will possibly stick. He really doesn’t have a chance.”

Mr. Demos said Mr. Altschuler instructed Brookhaven Town Republican Committee Chairman Jesse Garcia to ask at least one of the individuals, Mr. Rosen, who is a BOE employee, to file the objection. Mr. Garcia said he did no such thing, and added that Mr. Demos is a “failed candidate who only wants to act as a spoiler and is an extension of liberal Tim Bishop’s campaign.”

Meanwhile, Mr. Altschuler’s campaign touted gathering 9,000 petition signatures to qualify for the Republican, Conservative and Independence parties’s lines last week. According to a press release issued by his campaign last Friday, he collected signatures from 6,006 Republicans, 1,636 from Independence Party members, and 1,267 signatures from registered Conservatives.

“I can’t thank all the hardworking volunteers from the Republican, Conservative and Independence party enough for rallying in support of me and my positive message of fiscal responsibility and economic growth,” Mr. Altschuler stated in the release. “To collect so many signatures in such a condensed time frame truly demonstrates the passion, strength and unity in my campaign against Congressman Bishop.”

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Demos has a good story to tell and is on target with all the issues important to conservatives. Look out Tim. How will you deflect and explain away with this candidate? Either way, it's better than Bishop.
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 25, 12 3:41 PM
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Capt crunch, demos beating Bishop would be like you beating Einstein! You are hilarious, bro - seriously!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 25, 12 9:07 PM
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"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Albert Einstein

Albert Einstein in his current state has more of a clue than Tim Bishop in his current state - both physically and figuratively.

By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 8:39 AM
"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." Albert Einstein

Yes,we are quite aware of our opposition.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 4:14 PM
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By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 4:14 PM
"THROW THEM ALL OUT", subtitled "How politicians and their friends get rich off insider stock tips, land deals, and cronyism that would send the rest of us to prison" by Peter Schweizer.
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 25, 12 4:37 PM
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Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber! Hah! The future of the republican party!
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 25, 12 9:05 PM
Here's what both Demos and Altschuler are missing. This is Suffolk County. Sure it's a longtime Republican stronghold, but it isn't some redneck Bible Belt district out in wherever -- these are Long Island Republicans, sensible people for the most part, not crazy tea party types. Randy Altschuler and George Demos, watching too much TV about presidential primary races out in the boondocks, have both painted themselves into an extreme conservative corner, which is definitely not the view of most ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1093), Quiogue on Apr 26, 12 3:57 AM
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yeah those crazy tea party people who want smaller Gvt, a more fiscally reponsible Gvt and less intrusion in their lives. I also can't stand those rednecks who praise the lord our creator. The nerve of them. The best republicans are Long Island republicans because they ae sensible (for the most part that is)
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 26, 12 9:35 AM
Don't you mean "your lord, your creator," Razza? Not all of us share your phony piousness and religion nor do all of us agree that religion has any place in politics - I include the framers in the "don't agree" column.

By the way, I find it funny that you don't consider forcing a woman to have a sonogram a big gov't intrusion. I find it funny that you don't find giving my tax dollars to oil companies a big gov't intrusion. I find it funny that you don't consider legislating the right ...more
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Apr 26, 12 12:53 PM
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1. Dont cry because you are an atheist and the most naive person on the face of the planet. For better or worse Religion has been and always will be intermingled in politics.
2. I did mean "our" lord I meant "my" lord.
3. You are committting slander and putting words in my mouth. I never said sanything about sonograms, oil or racial profiling.
4. Your last comment is laughable. It is the progressive dems who want to run the country with their own myopic ideology. Their mantra is if ...more
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 26, 12 2:45 PM
1-Religion has no part in American politics;the famers of the constitution made sure that religion would not interfere with the running of the governent and it was reaffirmed by the Treaty of Tripoli in 1797-

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 4:03 PM
“All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry”

~ Edgar Allan Poe

"You have to stand in awe, IN AWE, of the all time champion of false promises, and exaggerated claims, Religion. No contest. Religion easily has the greatest B.S. story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people, that there's an invisible man, living in the sky; who watches everything you do, every moment of every day. And the ...more
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 26, 12 5:17 PM
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Religion is a product of man,who cannot be trusted.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 5:22 PM
1. Religion is all around us and intermingled in American politics. To say its not is just stupid. It may have not been specified in the constitution but listen to the pledge of allegiance. Look at American currency. To date I can't think of an American president elected who was an atheist ( well maybe Obama)
2. You shouldn't speak for progress. She used the word "you" referring to me. I never said any of those things.
3 the fact that you have no religion or faith in your life makes me feel ...more
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 27, 12 7:12 AM
Well, "under God" was not in the original draft of the Pledge of Allegiance. In fact, it was added in 1954 during the cookie cutter, "invisible poor" days of "The Good Life".

As for it appearing on currency, "God" does not appear on any denomination including, and exceeding the $500 bill. Of course, they haven't been printed since 1945. "In God We Trust" did not appear on ANY U.S. currency before 1864, and that was only on coins. As far as "paper" currency is concerned, the words were ...more
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 27, 12 3:20 PM
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Religion is officially idsallowed to interefere with American politics;if you want to mix religion and politics,I'm sure the Taliban would welcome you.
You accused ProgressNow of libel,yet you libel the President by calling him an athiest. Another example of how ignorance blinds one to his own hippocracy.
Many people ho need religion in their lives are dependent on the crutch of justifying their own beleifs with the approval of others.It's classic authoritarian follower behavior

By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 27, 12 3:52 PM
Seriously?? Religion is not allowed to interfere with American politics. It's all around you whether you like it or not. The dig at Obama was a joke. We all know his preacher rev wright. Preacher of hate and racism
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 27, 12 7:18 PM
That's the argument the racists have tried to make against Obama.Now you're one of them.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 27, 12 8:29 PM
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I suggest razza familiarize himself with the definition, and history of "Annuit Coeptis".
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 28, 12 9:42 AM
Annuit coeptis is translated by the senate, the us treasury and the US mint as "he (god) has favored our undertakings. The literal Latin translation is He approves of the undertakings. bottom line is for better or worse religion and politics are intertwined. You can make the argument that was not the intent but the fact is it always has been and always will be.
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 28, 12 1:26 PM
No.

If they actually meant to say "God", there would have been some inflected form of the word "deus". Second declension, masculine.

Face it, they wanted religion to be separate. Look at the Englsh Crown they has been oppressed under. They wanted religion as much involved with authority, and one would desire a hole in the head.
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 28, 12 2:11 PM
Check Wikipedia and not some obscure opinion letter. I agree that Jefferson was a big time seperarist
( and agrarian to boot) but even IF the founding fathers wanted religion removed entirely from politics then they failed miserably
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 28, 12 3:03 PM
to razza5350:

You are correct except in insisting that the phrase is properly translated, "'God' favors our undertaking". In the selfsame Wikipedia article to which you refer, it is argued that had the authors meant "god", they would have used the phrase, "'Deo' favente". Since the latin phrase used omits any reference to god in preference to an anonymous "he", the translation, "'Providence' favors. . ." would be most appropriate, especially so when you consider that Jefferson, as a deist, ...more
By highhatsize (2090), East Quogue on Apr 28, 12 3:53 PM
As a student of Latin, all five declensions and four conjugations, even a loosely idiomatic translation of "annuit coeptis" does not yield the word "god". HHS is correct.

Christian morality does show itself in the literature of the day, including the Constitution. However, aren't those values simply the right thing to do, under any name other than Christianity? Sure they are. It was realistically the most popular religious doctrine of the time. Of course it's presence will be notable.

The ...more
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 28, 12 8:24 PM
I am not concerned with t jeremy gunn's or mr z's opinion Verbatim.....annuit coeptis is translated by the US state department, the US mint and the US treasury as "He (god) has favored our undertakings" brackets in original.
This all verified through sources with Wikipedia.
frankly i really dont care what it means I'll stick by my statement. Religion, like it or not, plays an important part in politics.
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 29, 12 8:37 AM
And the State is the absolute authority on academic translation of ancient language, by far. [chuckle]

Do you realize that is was the State, in a monarchical form, that translated the Bible into Middle English, from the "original" Latin, which was translated from Hebrew, and Aramaic in the firstplace? The New Testament was written in GREEK, then translated to Latin, and finally Middle English. Translation is like beauty, it's in the eye of the Beholder. A copy, of a copy, of a copy, ...more
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 29, 12 8:55 AM
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I don't care what the literal translation is. What I care about is how the GOVERNMENT translated it. They translated it using the word god. Its been verified through sources on WIkipedia. You were the one telling me to educate myself on annuit coepetis and I have. You using it as a silver bullet that religion and politics aren't intermingled only makes you look like a clown.
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 29, 12 11:56 AM
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I never said they weren't intermingled. In fact, I abhor the fact that they are. I am old enough to recall God's special education team here on Earth back in the eighties. There were some wacko preachers, weren't there? All in the name of "God". Just like our wacko government because of the "intermingling". Science is the natural evolution, and natural replacement for Religion. First we had the Greeks, with Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Aether. Of course, Paganism (polydeism) went with that. ...more
Apr 29, 12 4:54 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just for reference, the government definition you stand behind, was begun in the 1950's. Probably the most pathetic decade in 20th century American History, next to the last two.
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 29, 12 4:54 PM
I don't stand behind the definition. The GVT does. I didnt reference it you did
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 1, 12 11:53 AM
I think I'll just leave you with this:

"If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane. "

~ Robert Green Ingersoll

By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on May 1, 12 5:51 PM
A quote from an agnostic (ingersoll) and a crack head (Sam Kineson) LOL
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 2, 12 11:20 AM
Responded to with a quote from a wingnut (razza5350) and a crackpot (also razza5350)
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on May 2, 12 11:54 AM
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By the way, you do know that Kinison was a Pentecostal preacher before he made it in comedy, right?

It would seem to me, that he saw the light...

"In another time and place he would have been called prophet."

~ Epithet of Samuel Burl Kinison

Influenced: Joe Rogan, Ralphie May, Bill Hicks, Denis Leary, Adam Sandler, Patton Oswalt, Larry the Cable Guy, David Cross, Dane Cook, et al.

By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on May 2, 12 7:45 PM
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By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 3, 12 8:43 AM
crookhaven republican politics.Remember the leader that was involved in a ring that was stealing Mack trucks?He even sold some of them to Brookhaven town. One step above Tammany hall.Now they want to deny one of their own a primary race. I wouldn't turn my back on any of them
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 26, 12 2:45 PM
Razza, how do you slander an anonymous wing nut on a blog? By the way, in this case it would be libel. Progress us right, Keep your religion to yourself
By peoplefirst (787), Southampton on Apr 26, 12 7:05 PM
The hypocritical left only embraces God and the bible when it’s to their political advantage. Obama does it all the time. He uses political prayer breakfasts to be a Christian when he wants to martyr for the poor and push redistributive policy, but he’ll also omit any reference to God during Thanksgiving even though it is steeped in counting blessings and traditionally steeped in giving thanks and praise to God.

Mooshell even uses it to pump up the prez when she touts that ...more
Apr 28, 12 7:01 PM appended by Captn America
And then there is the lamestream media. A Newsweek magazine cover depicted Obama as "god of all things," using a pose reminiscent of the Hindu deity Shiva. Newsweek editor Evan Thomas told Chris Matthews: "...I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God..."
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 28, 12 7:01 PM
Actually,it's the right that pimps religion.That's why so many so-called christian ministers support republican policies.Look at how the right uses religion to pimp against abortion.
By the way,it was Cheif Justice Roberts who screwed up the swearing in of President Obama-maybe he should go back to sunday school.
Luckily,Obama,being a constitutional scholar,knew Roberts screwed it up.
But it's okay,aybe he can get it right next time he swears Obama in next January.If Roberts can remember ...more
Apr 28, 12 7:35 PM appended by philathome
The right also uses religion to bash gays and supress their rights,to limit the healthcare decisions such as stem cells and to releive the suffering of those who are terminally ill and choose to end their lives,and to alter and otherwise manipulate education toward creating a theocracy.I don't see 'liberals' engaging in any of these things,mostly good 'christians' who happen to align with the radical right.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 28, 12 7:35 PM
You know what Religion reminds me of?

Some Bradbury-esque, Farenheit 451 style Seashell radio pumping subliminal messages into a "good sheep's" grey matter all the while they are "plugged in".

Gotta keep the rabble under control...
Apr 28, 12 8:29 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, if not under control, at eachother's throats, so as they are not at bay for your head.
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on Apr 28, 12 8:29 PM
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Phil wrote: "Religion is a product of man,who cannot be trusted."

Then this would explain why Tim Bishop voted "Yea" on the bill to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the official motto of the United States and to encourage its display in all public buildings, public schools, and other government institutions.

Apr 28, 12 8:54 PM appended by Captn America
The party of death and radical left continues to play both sides of the issue and play politics with freedom of religious belief issues and vilify anyone who has an alternate point of view.
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 28, 12 8:54 PM
The left isn't so radical;it's the left that is trying to 'conserve' the programs that helped the middle class prosper.It's the right that has a radical agenda,attacking women's rights,workers' rights,inserting religion into every argument,attacking education,trying to limit voting rights,attacking environmental issues-attacking everything hat built a strong middle class and protects the people.The right has become the radicals,while the liberals have been defending everything that has helped the ...more
Apr 28, 12 9:28 PM appended by philathome
I forgot to mention that he right is also attacking the elderly,the poor,minorities,immigrants,women,gays,the media,the disabled,the uninsured,teachers,trade unions, autoworkers,minimum wage workers, and anyone else who isn't eit rich or a corporate whore. You must be so PROUD!
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 28, 12 9:28 PM
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By the way,the god on the money is a generic god,not strictly a christian one.The right should stop trying to justify their radical agenda by commandering god under it's false pretenses.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 28, 12 9:39 PM
The radical left wants to keep the poor poor and entrenched in poverty. It's what keeps them in political power and the people waged at war against one another. The left wants to keep blacks and other minorities enslaved to government dependence. They want you to think the rich are rich because they are lucky and the poor are poor because they are unlucky and the deck stacked against them and the only way to solve the problem is for an activist government to manage the economy and resistribute ...more
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 12:02 PM
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Yeah,that's exactly why the right is waging a war on women,denying the rights of gays,restricting voting rights, cutting education,eliminating and reducing programs for the poor and elderly,opposing civil rightsand workers' rights, opposing healthcare for all and ecouraging wars while attacking other religions.It isn't interested in helping anyone but themselves,and that's been demonstrated over the last 30 years.
The right wants unquestioned control over peoples' lives;they've been preaching ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 5:49 PM
30 years? read history; learn about the many panics on Wall Street before and after the Civil War. Learn about the two Roosevelts, Thedore and Franklin, both fought against their class to bring sanity to the wolves in the market place ie: stock market. There's our problem... and the greatest percentage of them live among you there in the Hamptons. You are surrounded.
By summertime (490), summerfield fl on Apr 29, 12 6:00 PM
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I am pretty well versed in history;my reference dates back to Reaganomics and the ensuing beleifs of the right in trickle-down economics,which was the solidification of the policies we have been since experiencing.
I am aware of the depressions of 1873,1878,1893,the 1907 crash,the depression of 1921 as well as,of course,the great depression.I have posted on several of these here before,and I understand that you may not have been here at the time.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 6:21 PM
The left thinks so little of women that they fabricate a war on them – like women wouldn’t see through the smoke and mirrors of it all and are incapable of figuring out the charade. The left knows something about the war on women alright. They’ve been attacking women for years for no other reason than having an opinion that didn’t fit the wingnut left template. They belittle and demean women one day and make contributions to Obama’s reelection campaign the next. ...more
Apr 29, 12 9:02 PM appended by Captn America
And Phil, I’d be VERY interested in learning more about this particular piece of your rant: “and encouraging wars while attacking other religions.” Tell us how much you really do hate your country (as if we didn't already know).
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 9:02 PM
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The war on women?How about over 100 or so new laws passed by state legislatures placing restrictions on abortion rights since the elections of 2010. More recently,the passing of laws in Virginia and other states forcing state sanctioned penetration of a woman without her consent nor medical necessity.Let's not forget how republicans are trying to make contraception unavailable by trying to pass laws giving employers the right to restrict access to contraceptives paid for by health insurance. Much ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 9:35 PM
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Oh,and by the way,I NEVER questioned your patriotism-when you question mine you prove what a low life you are.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 9:36 PM
I lived thru the great Depression in Southampton as a small child but impressions are still lasting. The wall street manipulations of the ninteen twenties were nicely managed by Michael Meehan and others. So actually we agree.
By summertime (490), summerfield fl on Apr 29, 12 9:58 PM
"The war on women?How about over 100 or so new laws passed by state legislatures"

Which is completely in line with the passage of Roe vs. Wade. States are within their rights to ensure the health of a woman during an abortion procedure. Your rhetoric is filled with lies and misrepresentation.
Apr 29, 12 10:35 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Phil, you talk alot of crap about terrorist states and the right using them to generate fear but as usual you come up short on facts and full of hate filled opinion.
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 10:35 PM
Phil, if you’re the voice of Tim Bishop, Tim should be very concerned. In your rants, the facts seem to get a little blurry. As you wrote “The last president even said that he wasn't concerned about finding Bin Laden and gave up looking for him.” The exact reference goes more like this: W in fact said “he is not worried about finding Osama bin Laden as he cannot hide from the U.S. forces forever”. "He's the one who needs to be worried. But I want to assure you ...more
Apr 30, 12 12:05 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
I don’t want to question your patriotism, but you don’t give much choice. Your rants speak volumes and the wing nut leftist attempts at revisionist history which places our policies and military in a negative light regardless of political affiliation will always raise question and the facts will go corrected.
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 12:05 AM
Hre's his quote without your distortions-
"Who knows if he’s hiding in some cave or not. We haven’t heard from him in a long time. The idea of focusing on one person really indicates to me people don’t understand the scope of the mission. Terror is bigger than one person. He’s just a person who’s been marginalized. … I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

It can be viewed on youtub ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 3:49 PM
You guys want to know about the war on women? think of this, I have never experienced such vitrol clothed in a velvet glove as I have seen and heard here in the south. Have you noticed when you see them speak against, ah for instance "Violence against women act" in congress it is always a man speaking! It is a man who is against abortion. A man telling American women what they can have, can do etc. As for abortion... go ahead ban it the rich girls will just go down to South America or somewhere ...more
By summertime (490), summerfield fl on Apr 29, 12 10:08 PM
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Republicans have made it clear they do not oppose re-authorizing VAWA. Their opposition is driven by additional provisions to accommodate same-sex couples and illegal immigrants. Democrats are using the issue to manufacturing another partisan, political divide.
Apr 29, 12 10:52 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
Here's an idea, let's support the act to include the group it was intended to support (women) and leave out the inclusion of other groups not intended to be included. A crime is a crime no matter who it is perpetrated against.
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on Apr 29, 12 10:52 PM
Yes,let's base legisation on whoi weprefer to discriminate against like the republcans want us to.

The Washington Post had a great op-ed unday by Thom Mann and Norm Ornstein called "Let's just say it-the republican ARE the problem".
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 3:53 PM
Its sad, I guess you have never held a new born. Or loved a child.
By 27dan (970), Southampton on May 1, 12 10:46 AM
Phil wrote that: (Republicans are) “attacking everything hat built a strong middle class and protects the people”

Obama has kept his boot on the throat of the middle class through his goal to curtail consumption of energy. He is saddling generations with debt and has an openly stated goal of high energy prices – yes, that’s great for the middle class. The Obama administration has basically declared war on the middle class through high energy prices and to make energy ...more
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 6:37 PM
Yes,the usual far right wing diatribe against President Obama,taken directly from the radical right wing news sites.

When Bush was president and gas prices rose,the entire right wing press kept parroting that the president couldn't do anything about gas prices-especially fox news-

“The next time you hear a politician say that he or she will bring down oil prices, understand it’s complete B.S. If Americans want lower gas prices, cut back. Sell those SUVs, ride a bike ...more
Apr 30, 12 7:46 PM appended by philathome
Anyone can go to factcheck.org and read the article 'Is President Obama responsible for $4 gas' and read for themselves what the facts are. But if you have an aversion to facts,just keep reading the captains posts.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 7:46 PM
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Think Progress has a very detailed story about Romney and his son.It says they are entwined with 3 men who ran an 8 billion dollar Ponzi scheme.Very strange that other publications haven't picked it up. Take a look for yourself. If it's true Romney is in deep trouble. However Corzine is still walking around free as a bird while 1.6 Billion is missing from MF Global. Must be nice to be rich
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Apr 30, 12 8:03 PM
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You have to remember that the seriousness of the charge outweighs the lack of evidence, because no evidence is needed among liberals to make insidious charges. The truth will come out in both cases and hopefully the guilty will get their due process and just desserts. The left has once again gotten the candidate they desire with Mitt seemingly getting the GOP nod. Mitt would be an improvement over Obama and a good start to repair the damage done by Obama and the democratic congress.
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 8:44 PM
And we have breaking news – I guess we no longer have Hope and Change. I see Obama unveiled his new campaign slogan, “Forward.” It’s perfect. The slogan has long ties to socialism and Marxism. It carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology through the 19th and 20th centuries. The slogan was used to reflect the conviction of Marxists and radicals and their march through the history past capitalism and into socialism and communism.

There have ...more
By Captn America (4072), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 8:15 PM
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In Marx's schema the capitalists in our era are the new oppressors and wage workers the new oppressed. It is false to describe our social and economic divisions in these terms, or to imply that there are immovable barriers to individuals that prevent them from bettering themselves and increasing their wealth. If there is social mobility, if a person can move from one rung of the economic or social ladder to the next, there is no hierarchy and no justification for the radical leftist war.
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 30, 12 9:12 PM
Yes,President Obama's new campaign slogan is perfect.
He wants to take the country Froward,while the republicans keep talking about taking it back.

By philathome (8724), Southampton on Apr 30, 12 9:29 PM
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America is a real world society, managed by real and problematic human beings, it will never be equal, liberal or democratic enough to satisfy radical left fantasies.. To compensate them for their longing for a perfect world, and for their unhappiness in this one.
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on Apr 30, 12 10:09 PM
Phil, The Obama campaign apparently didn't look back wards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, "Forward"
Or did they.... This word has a long and rich association with European Marxism.
Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name "Forward!"
By joe hampton (1783), south hampton on May 1, 12 1:58 AM
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Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing publications.
The slogan "Forward!" reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism. How fitting for tomorrows planed civil unrest.... What has become of this once great Republic?
By joe hampton (1783), south hampton on May 1, 12 2:02 AM
Obama is leaving the backward thinking to the republicans;a close examination reveals that Rmoney (not a typo) has employed many of Bush 43's economic advisors;the policies of the republicans will reduce workers' rights,reintroduce coathanger abortions, create more hunger,reduce educational opportunities,take away healthcare,reduce voting rights,and in a provision in the Ryan budget,outsource jobs and makeit easier for corporations to send profits to overseas accounts.
If that is what the republicans ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 6:57 AM
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We can see that the right is scrambling to drum up fear;it worked for Bush 43 and now that we have a black president,they have to do everything they can to re establish the party of the white man in the political arena,but they've alienated major blocks of the voting public-women,gays,minorities,and immigrants.
They're scrambling because their candidate is weak and flip-flops on almost every issue;all we hear about is how bad Obama is,and nothing about how great republican policies are.
That's ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 7:20 AM
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he NY post today discusses Obama new slogan
National Debt Sept.2008- 10 trillion
National debt now- 15.6 trillion
Federal spending Sept 2008- 3 trillion
Federal spending now- 3.8 trillion
Average price of gas Seot 2009- 2.50 per gallon
Average price now- 3.81 per gallon
Americans on food stamps 2008 28.22 million
Americans on food stamps in 2011 46.2 million
federal workers ...more
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 1, 12 9:57 AM
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You know it Philly. Holla!
By local 84 (165), riverhead on May 1, 12 10:37 AM
Of course the New York post would-it's one of Murdoch's papers,another right wing slam rag.
Of course the national debt skyrocketed under Obama- he actually added the costs of the wars to it,unlike bush who hid the costs of the war that was "supposed to pay for itself" when he lied us into it.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 11:16 AM
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Phil, You are right about something for a change. We should still be in Iraq pumping oil for free until the war debt has been payed back in full with interest. But we all know if we tried that Michael Moore and the rest of your ilk would scream bloody murder.
By 27dan (970), Southampton on May 1, 12 11:27 AM
Just work a little harder and all you bitter little problems will go away
By Undocumented Democrat (639), southampton on May 1, 12 1:39 PM
So you were okay with fighting a war that we were lied into and the rape of Iraq'a natural resources for those lies,Dan?
Lies and rape-are these the values you hold?
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 3:56 PM
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Phile wrote: "Of course the national debt skyrocketed under Obama- he actually added the costs of the wars to it"

There really is no bounds to your falsehoods, is there. Federal government expenditures and deficits just don’t go into never never land to be pulled out of a hat at a later date. The wars have been funded through supplemental budget requests and appropriated spending.

From a factcheck piece that looks at the truths and untruths of both sides: “while Bush ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on May 1, 12 3:57 PM
Obama is trying to fix what was leftover from Bush;the republicans don't want to help,and are willing to let the country go down in the process.
I guess that's okay with some.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 6:00 PM
And the debt was never questioned when th republicans were in charge-anyone who did was labeled "unpatriotic"

Sound familiar?
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 6:02 PM
By the way,Obama,for all the debt he has added trying to fix what Bush left him,still hasn't added the amount of debt that Bush did.
You conveniently left that out from the factcheck info you posted.

from that same factcheck article-

"And it’s also untrue — as claimed in a graphic widely circulated by email and in social media postings — that the debt has increased more under Obama than under all previous 43 presidents combined. In fact, as of Jan. 31, 2012, ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 6:10 PM
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"the fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our governments reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the the backs ...more
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 2, 12 9:38 AM
Phil wrote: “You conveniently left that out from the factcheck info you posted.”

It was left out because it is no longer accurate. The piece was written in January 2012. As of March 2012 Obama HAS IN FACT surpassed W’s deficit numbers. But I suspect you already know that but chose to continue down the partisan path. “According to Mark Knoller at CBS News, the inevitable is official: The national debt has increased more in President Obama’s just over three ...more
May 2, 12 11:06 AM appended by Mr. Snerdley
The incident didn't happen because Zimmerman defied police, it happened because he was getting his head beaten into the concrete. It was a series of unfortentate events, but at the end of the day, he'll be able to articulate his position and justify the shooting because he no doubt thought his life was in danger. That's NOT 2nd degree murder. It's manslaughter which he isn't charged with.
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on May 2, 12 11:06 AM
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Then you will have no problem providing evidence other than your word or some far right wing source.
We know we can't trust you to tell the truth
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 2, 12 11:51 AM
The debt limit has always been routinely raised by both parties; it only became an issue because the republicans politicized it.If it's rec,kless fiscal policies you want to quests,since you didn't during the bush administration,ask your candidate why he is putting all former Bush economic advisors on his election team.Apparently,if Rmoney (not a typo) is by some great mistake elected,we can look forward to a return to Bush economic policies-which are what got us in all of this in the first place.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 4, 12 11:40 AM
The debt limit has always been routinely raised by both parties; it only became an issue because the republicans politicized it.If it's rec,kless fiscal policies you want to quests,since you didn't during the bush administration,ask your candidate why he is putting all former Bush economic advisors on his election team.Apparently,if Rmoney (not a typo) is by some great mistake elected,we can look forward to a return to Bush economic policies-which are what got us in all of this in the first place.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 4, 12 11:40 AM
Since when did the Bureau of Public Debt at the Treasury Department become a right wing source? The debt limit became an issue when it became unsustainable. It's both parties fault and began to become noticeable during Bush. It became in your face noticeable, during Obama and his crony lobbyists, which he said he'd never do (another broken campaign promise). I have no problem blaming Bush for his fiscal mismanagement just as I'm calling Obama on his even worse mismanagement. What Romney does ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on May 4, 12 12:10 PM
Unemployment down to 8.1%.
26 months of private sector job growth.
Imagine what the President could have done if the republican party didn't set its sites on opposing anything that would have helped improve the situation.

Mr. Snerdley should go back to answering phones for Rush Limbaugh.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 4, 12 3:56 PM
If history tells us anything true then we, the 99%, need to hide what ever we have under the mattress if the Republicans get any more power than they have now. And here in the south I find it verrrry interesting; now some celebrate Lincoln's birthday. He was the first Republican President and he headed up the Civil War. He kept the Union together and freed the slaves.
I admire this President Obama for all that he has accompolished so far.
By summertime (490), summerfield fl on Apr 30, 12 10:42 PM
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Dats correct Boo. Now that he has moved the cause up field. We will not yield. B.P.
By local 84 (165), riverhead on May 1, 12 10:41 AM
<------ Do the Math
May 1, 12 11:20 PM appended by They call me
The Preezy of the United Steezy is making me Queasy.Because his nonstop campaigning is looking SO Sleazy
By They call me (1002), southampton on Apr 30, 12 11:20 PM
To those who refer to Wikipedia: Do you really believe that everything on Wikipedia is accurate and correct? Do you understand how easy it is to edit and how many people do that for better or for worse? It is done so often that some disputed subjects have had to be locked.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on May 1, 12 10:49 AM
No,we don't.
But since this site won't allow links to actual information,it's a quick reference.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 1, 12 11:11 AM
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Google Romney Ponzi and see the connections Romney and his son have with three men.They ran an 8.5 billion dollar Ponzi scheme.The second largest Ponzi scheme on record.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on May 1, 12 6:11 PM
Liberal playbook, page 74; “The seriousness of the charge outweighs the lack of evidence; repeat it until the unproven allegations stick”. This is a story from last year sweeping the liberal stratosphere trying to keep an unproven allegation alive all to do as much damage as possible since Obama can’t run for reelection on HIS performance. As you gravitate away from the liberal blog and read other sources you get a different portrayal of the circumstances where Mitt Romney has ...more
By Mr. Snerdley (113), Southampton on May 2, 12 9:02 AM
I already posted a list of the Presidents accomplishments.I'll post them again later if you like.
By the way,where did you get a copy of the liberal play book? Is there something you're not telling us?

I'd really like a copy if you can spare one.
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 2, 12 2:45 PM
<------By the way,Mission Accomplished
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 2, 12 5:52 PM
This thread is just so wild.

You have a class of people running the country into the ground from government, to corporate America solely to enrich themselves by flaunting the rules, or even completely disregarding them.

And, you have allowed them to set you at eachother's throats, instead of being at bay for their collective heads.
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on May 2, 12 6:06 PM
Problem is the two party system is very divisive. Their is too much stubborness and no flexibility on both parties. George Washington was very prophetic when warning about their divisiveness (his policical ideaologies are a great read). With that said I couldn't see myself going out to a cup of coffee and agreeing to anything with some of you on these blogs unless you were in a straight jacket (I'm sure you hold the reverse true in your mind as well)
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 3, 12 9:00 AM
I will agree with you on the divisive point. Main reason I've been Independent since I was old enough to vote. I have never intentionally registered as a Republican, or a Democrat. Didn't stop the geniuses at the Board of Elections from registering me as a Republican "Independence" party member, though (idiots). It's always nice when someone assumes they know better than you, what your postion is.

Each of the Founders who left their writings to posterity was prophetic in some manner. ...more
By Mr. Z (6146), North Sea on May 3, 12 8:21 PM
Other than local town GVT who is the last republican that you voted for?
By razza5350 (1536), East Hampton on May 4, 12 6:18 AM
The election is six months away.
Shall we look at the electoral college map along with the Daily Beast?

"It’s now officially not too early to start thinking about the Electoral College map. First of all, the election is just six months away, which provides pundits one of those symbolic but meaningless pivot points to a new phase. But more than that, certain patterns are just starting to emerge. Mitt Romney has been the putative nominee for a month now, ever since his Wisconsin ...more
By philathome (8724), Southampton on May 4, 12 4:26 PM
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