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May 29, 2013 10:23 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Bars Police Officers From Political Committees, Stiffens Penalty For Illegal Rentals

May 29, 2013 12:27 PM
The Southampton Town Board on Tuesday approved an amendment to the town’s ethics laws that will prohibit Town Police officers from serving as officials or committee members of any political party.

“The effort here is to take politics out of police work,” said Councilwoman Bridget Fleming, who authored the bill. “To the extent that we become aware of a potential conflict or any shortcoming, I believe we have the duty to change that.”

Some within the Town Police Department, including the town officers’ union and a former police chief, have alleged that political affiliations have deeply influenced departmental decisions on promotions and officer assignments, and that members of the Town Board attempted to quash and deflect disciplinary charges against a department officer, Lieutenant James Kiernan, who is a Republican Party committeeman.

Republican Councilwoman Christine Scalera nodded to the turmoil of the last 18 months and said that she would support the amendment if it would remove suspicions about actions within the department, or with regard to disciplining an officer.

“It is important to make clear that my remarks are meant in no way to legitimize any of the frivolous assertions made over the last year and a half regarding any perceived conflict over decisions made, or not made, as having anything to do with any political affiliation—because it is patently untrue,” she said.

“I feel, in our society governed by laws, it is intrinsic and fundamental that residents have faith and trust in our law enforcement agencies and those who manage them,” she continued. “If this amendment serves to reinforce the idea that our decisions are being made properly ... then this is a good thing.”

Last year, former Police Chief William Wilson Jr. filed an ethics complaint against Ms. Scalera and fellow Republican Councilman Chris Nuzzi, claiming that they should have recused themselves from the discussion of disciplining Lt. Kiernan because the committeeman had played a role in selecting them as candidates for office. The complaint was determined to be unfounded by the town’s Ethics Committee.

After a seven-month suspension Lt. Kiernan returned to duty last fall, and attorneys for the town and the lieutenant settled on a still-undisclosed punishment for the charges against him. His attorney, Ray Perini, has since requested that Lt. Kiernan’s record be expunged of any accusations of wrongdoing.

The lone vote against the ethics code amendment on Tuesday came from Councilman Jim Malone, a Conservative Party member, who has said that he felt barring officers from serving on political committees restricted their First Amendment right to free speech and association. Mr. Malone tried, in vain, to get other board members to agree to a last-minute change to the amendment to make it apply only to officers who joined the town force after its passage and not force current officers to cut or curtail their political involvement.

“I don’t believe that any employee of this town should make a choice between ... paying their mortgage and being involved in the political process,” Mr. Malone said. “If I can’t trust [a police officer’s] judgment to not cloud their politics and their job then they shouldn’t be wearing the gun in the first place.”

Once it takes effect, the new law will immediately impact two current officers: Lt. Kiernan, and part-time police officer Michael Tessitore, who is also a member of the Town Republican Party Committee.

Steeper Fines
Also on Tuesday night, the Town Board resolved to greatly stiffen the fines facing property owners who repeatedly violate the requirements of the town’s rental law.

After hearing concerns from a small group of residents and landlords, the board adopted the new fine structure and some other amendments to the rental law, but pledged to immediately revisit some of the guidelines those seeking to comply with the rental law are held to.

The latest round of amendments increase the potential fines for property owners who are found to be violating the rental law—which restricts the length of time a house may be rented and imposes a variety of occupancy limits and safety requirements—to as much as $30,000 for a second offense.

“The intent and the thrust here is that there is a cost-of-doing business approach that is unacceptable,” Mr. Malone said of repeat offenders who pay fines that are minuscule compared to the profits they reap from illegal rentals. “To those who make this part of their business practice, it ain’t going to work for you anymore.”

About a dozen homeowners, however, took the opportunity to complain to the board that the standard of safety code compliance that they are being forced to meet in order receive a rental permit and renew it every two years is unfairly onerous. The homeowners said that as fire and safety codes have evolved they have been forced to repeatedly make upgrades to their homes in ways that typical homeowners would never be aware of if they didn’t seek a new certificate of occupancy. Some said they had been repeatedly forced to pay to replace fencing and upgrade decks and safety detectors because codes had changed.

“The Building Department inspects for every single code in existence today, not the code when I built the house 12 years ago,” said Quogue landlord Joseph Gazza, who said at one point he owned as many as 50 rental properties throughout the town.

Board members acknowledged that it might be a good idea to enforce the health and safety codes that were in effect at the time the most recent valid certificate of occupancy was issued.

Another homeowner, Kris Harden, said the burden on a large number of renters whose rental practices have never caused problems seems to outweigh a relatively limited problem.

“If I understand this correctly it’s because too many people come to a house?” Ms. Harden said. “I’ve never seen that. I’m sure it exists, but not that it is so endemic, so much that every single one of us has to suffer.”

Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst acknowledged that the law technically requires even those who have never had problems to comply with laws meant to head off the illegal practices of a few.

“The intent of this is not to hurt good people like you,” the supervisor said to one of the homeowners. “We have property owners who abuse this. If you are not violating rental permit law and are a good landlord in that way, that’s part of why we never had to knock on your door.”

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Total horsepoop. What right does the town have to say what you do with your house? How long a house can be rented? How about building some affordable housing, so that we don't have to spend our lives renting houses? How about that angle?
By The Royal 'We' (196), Southampton on May 29, 13 12:00 PM
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The rights they have are under their building and zoning codes... building codes are set by the State for the most part.

The Town has done some afforable housing projects and developers are now required to create one affordable house per every 5 in a new subdivision, or make a comprabable payment to an affordable housing fund.

The reason behind restrictions on length of rentals is to prevent people from renting their homes on daily or weekly basis to an ever changing group of ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 12:44 PM
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The town now has a two week rental permit so what was the point of the law? For better or worse the law is to check on living conditions of illegals in Hampton Bays, and Flanders. The law is illegal it just hasn't been tested. If you aren't upgrading your house why do you have to upgrade to the new code? It's called pre existing, and older houses are nearly impossible to upgrade to the new code.
By chief1 (2739), southampton on May 29, 13 2:33 PM
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I'll bite. Please cite using law (case-law or otherwise) why it's illegal for the Town to restrict length of rental permits?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 2:58 PM
Nature, please see comment below as to the "ex post facto" overtones of this law as it applies to upgrading rental properties to current code, which IMO is what chief1 was getting at mainly.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 3:55 PM
Did you know that the Town Code Agency has a WHOLE FLOOR of a big office building across from the Southampton Inn? MAny jobs to justify, don't you think?

i am one of the people who rents short term. Doing so saved me when no one was coming out here a few years back. I am quite good at it and have a team of maids and handymen, pool and lawn and trash people I pay.
Sometimes I have a party group, but we keep the music in the house after 10 pm. No one leaves drunk. We stay safe.
The ...more
By Leslie J. (4), Bridgehampton on May 31, 13 7:50 AM
First off - there are no "big office" buildings in the Hamptons, and I find it difficult to believe the Town Code Enforcement has a "whole floor" of said building.

You may be the exception that proves the rule because we've all read about, heard about, or witnessed first hand the negative impacts of short-term group rentals in our neighborhoods.

You say you pay "over $6,000" yearly in taxes to Southampton. That's not accurate - how much of that bill actually goes to the Town? ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 31, 13 9:32 AM
Have to go with Nature on this one. There is NO way you pay $6,000.00 per year in Town of Southampton taxes, unless you home is worth millions.
If you "sometimes" have a party group" are you there to ensure that "no one leaves drunk"? Doubtful
And that first line.......what a crock of horse dung! Code enforcement works out of the Public Safety Bldg in Hampton bays. 4 or 5 Code Enforcement Officers, a secretary, and a boss.
Get over yourself.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 31, 13 4:46 PM
Now that the town board has acted to limit political interference in the STPD by town board members, it should also act to limit interference in town government by the STPD PBA. A complimentary law forbidding cops from wearing their uniforms when off-duty absent specific permission should be enacted. This would prevent further disgraceful efforts at intimidation of council members by the appearance of massed, uniformed STPD cops at town board meetings.

Moreover, while the law preventing ...more
By highhatsize (4076), East Quogue on May 29, 13 12:29 PM
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Police should never wear their uniforms at Town Hall meetings unless in an official capacity. Off duty cops have been stuffing the boardroom with blue for years to intimidate the board whenever police issues come up and it is disgraceful. They want to make their presence felt, which they certainly do, and it has to have a chilling effect at some level. The Chief should not allow it, but obviously condones it by allowing it. It's time someone put an end to the practice.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on May 29, 13 2:45 PM
A "complimentary" law? As in requiring favorable greetings ie: "You look so nice today in your civilian clothing, officer"? And I haven't looked it up but "discommode" appears to be what would happen if someone was knocked from their seat in the bathroom - are you sure you don't just make some of these things up as you go along?
By VOS (1213), WHB on May 29, 13 5:08 PM
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no . . . no . . . no . . .

"Disco mode," you know, like in the 80's when the Bee Gees were hot, and there was a roller skate disco on Long Wharf!
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 5:31 PM
I am aware of one incident, can you tell us about the "stuffing the boardroom with blue for years"? "The Chief" was wrong in not addressing the issue then, but it is now a different Chief.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 5:48 PM
I wonder if the house the supervisor rents has a rental permit?
By nellie (451), sag harbor on May 29, 13 1:51 PM
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Maybe we should ask good ol' eddie eddie who rents it to her?
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 2:59 PM
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"The intent of this is not to hurt good people like you,” the supervisor said to one of the homeowners. “We have property owners who abuse this. If you are not violating rental permit law and are a good landlord in that way, that’s part of why we never had to knock on your door.”

What does this mean? You still have to comply. If you don't, you are turning law abiding people into criminals automatically. Does this mean selective enforcement? The law affects everyone...someone ...more
By The Real World (365), southampton on May 29, 13 3:21 PM
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From the article 4-5 paragraphs up from the bottom:

"Board members acknowledged that it might be a good idea to enforce the health and safety codes that were in effect at the time the most recent valid certificate of occupancy was issued."

Doh . . . no kidding!

The requirement that all landlords upgrade rental houses to the current building code smacks of an "ex post facto" law IMO, in spirit at least.

What about all the owner-occupied houses which do not comply ...more
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 3:39 PM
Since individual officers and the police unions can donate any amount of money for candidates, knock on doors, gather signatures and hand out fliers at the train station, this law was nothing more than political grandstanding by Bridget Fleming.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 29, 13 4:49 PM
Every journey begins with one small step.

Well done, Ms. Fleming and Town Board.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 4:58 PM
What "journey" do you speak of PBR? Is the next step by the board to prohibit them from voting?
Or is the next step prohibiting political activity by bloggers? or non party affiliated persons? or blondes? or Irish?
There are more holes in this law than in a block of swiss cheese.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 5:51 PM
Chill blank!

It was just a figure of speech, so maybe you could lighten up?

Sometime imperfect laws are needed to start a dialogue, that's all.

If you want a perfect law written before anything is voted on, maybe you should lead the way and run for office.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 6:16 PM
"Sometimes"

And, PS, democracy is at times imperfect and frustrating . . .

Consider the alternatives maybe . . .
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 6:18 PM
No doubt, but in all candor, what is the "journey"?

By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 29, 13 6:52 PM
Websters defines "figure of speech" as:

"a form of expression (as a simile or metaphor) used to convey meaning or heighten effect often by comparing or identifying one thing with another that has a meaning or connotation familiar to the reader or listener"


What is the sound of one blank page clapping?

By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 29, 13 7:34 PM
This is a typical knee jerk pro-establishment comment, addressing the perceived lack of perfection rather than an obvious conflict of interest, stoking the lack of perfection in the law. But such lack of perfection exists everywhere, especially in laws, but does not invalidate the public interest inherent in them.

An insistence on perfection in law is merely an excuse not to correct obvious problems either because of personal interest or slavish ideological orientation that benefits from ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on May 31, 13 5:45 PM
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Thanks for the explanation of where "the journey" is going. Just because there are flaws in the law, is no reason to approve it without getting the kinks out first. If the goal is to prohibit ANY political activity on behalf of cops, then do so via state legislation.
It was Gov Cuomo (daddy) that signed legislation that previously prohibited cops from political activity. This law, as written would only ensure that said activity is being done behind closed doors.
A cop can still gather ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jun 2, 13 12:43 PM
Oh, I see your point. Instead of Lincoln supporting the abolitionists in freeing the slaves, he should have waited almost a hundred years until they could have given them the right to vote and given them the Civil Rights Act before giving them freedom from slavery.

You don't believe in moving the ball toward the goal post any chance possible but only believe in touchdown passes! Better to kick the can down the road.

That is every Conservative's favorite delaying and obstructionist ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Jun 2, 13 1:03 PM
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Anything which threatens The Blue Wall will generally get a predictable reaction IMO.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 2, 13 1:58 PM
Firstly, I am not a Conservative. My point being that the people who frame and enact these laws should cross T's and dot i's before it is put into place. The local law is screaming for a court case to determine if the town has authority to regulate the political activity of anyone, specifically law enforcement. I believe it to be a state issue. I am not looking for perfection, a bit too old to believe in that crap.
Are you unable to see the numerous holes n this legislation? The ball wasn't ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jun 3, 13 10:40 AM
Are southampton town code enforcement officers also prohibited from serving as officials or committee members of political parties?
By user.name (46), the jungle on May 29, 13 5:20 PM
Well done councilwoman Fleming!!!
This has been long overdue in Southampton Town.
By SHNative (554), Southampton on May 30, 13 8:45 AM
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... I don't think this cop thing is legal. Can you tell them not to run for the school board, can you tell then not to join the American Legion, can you tell them not to join fraternal organizations? Political party organizations are separate from town government. When government officials take the heat from party leaders and make decisions based on an organization's mandate, it is because they, themselves, are ineffective.

The article states police and politicos 'have alleged that political ...more
By William Rodney (546), southampton on May 30, 13 10:43 AM
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The American Legion, fraternal organizations and school boards are not political. The Town Board is and must be free to make judgements about the running of the police department. When issues about police salaries or alleged police misdoings arise - as has happened recently, board members can be heavily influenced by their party's committee members, as well as by committee members any other parties they need for campaign endorsements. A threat to withhold an endorsement for re-election is a powerful ...more
By goldenrod (505), southampton on May 30, 13 12:16 PM
... "the Town Board is and must be free to make judgements about the running of the police department". But you say they must adhere to the direction of the part bosses, which is it? Are they free to formulate their own opinion or must they adhere to the to the bosses? You seem to be saying that they are political hacks cowering to the bullying of those running the party. So it is OK for them to follow blindly but not the police?
By William Rodney (546), southampton on May 30, 13 12:45 PM
If you think the elected officials do anything without the blessings or urging of the party bosses, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I will gladly sell you.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 30, 13 1:14 PM
Don't try to make sense of this law. It is political grandstanding by Bridget Fleming You know her as the person who supported Wiliam Wilson for chief of police. How'd that turn out? If those two officers were democrats she would never have proposed this law. Fleming took campaign donations from PBA members and allowed them to work on her campaign so much for her worrying about improper perceptions.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 30, 13 2:36 PM
Chief Wilson's tenure with the Town PD turned out perfectly. He did exactly what he was tasked to do, shake the tree and see what falls out. The only problem was that he was a bit too efficient. We wish he had stayed on and finished the enema, during which you and the corrupt machine would have been finally flushed out.

It ain't over till the fat lady sings..and she's just warming up.
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 30, 13 6:35 PM
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Hmmmmm . . .
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 30, 13 8:17 PM
Does that include the astronomical overtime that was doled out during the start of his tenure?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 30, 13 9:27 PM
Yes it does. In May of 2011 the STPD was staffed with 96 sworn officers, including the Chief. A short eighteen months later the staff had been reduced to 86 officers. So, is Wilson responsible for the OT overage or is the municipality complicit for slashing the staffing?

Your absolutely right..the OT budget line was overspent. What no one acknowledges is that Wilson brought in the overal budget significantly under what was authorized in both FY2011 and 2012. (Budget surplus of over 2 ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 30, 13 10:10 PM
And then he quit during hurricane Sandy. What a leader. While he was the chief, the department was overrun by his friends in the sheriffs department. He didn't shake the tree, he poisoned it and ran away like a coward. But, he's gone. Get over it.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 30, 13 11:35 PM
In my personal opinion, former Chief Wilson made a sound choice in not coming back to take the helm of a ship, over which he had little if any remaining actual authority as captain of the vessel.

His return would have sown the seeds of mutiny, and it is a good guess IMO that many of his orders might not have been followed.

When a company board of directors of a commercial shipping or cruise line tell a captain that he is not wanted, he would be a fool to take the helm again.

Just ...more
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 31, 13 7:42 AM
PS -- The SHT Town PD department has many men and women capable of taking the helm in any emergency. Indeed, even former Chief Wilson's critics must recognize that it appears duplicitous to both:

-- say Mr. Wilson was not a good leader or the best choice for chief; and

-- fault him for not returning after Sandy hit.

Ya can't have it both ways! (IMO)
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 31, 13 7:48 AM
PBR - your points are well taken. But I feel that Wilson's decisions during his tenure like pulling patrols from Neptunes where his friends run security displays poor leadership. His decision not to return during a devastating storm displays poor character. It's not having it both ways but just pointing out another of Wilson's flaws.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 31, 13 9:06 AM
A chain has many links, to be sure, and the weak ones do indeed detract from the chain's overall strength and durability. No quarrel with this.

Staying out of Dodge during Sandy, however, was a wise choice IMO. A strong link in the chain if you will. On this, reasonable people can disagree.

PS -- The weak links are troubling, yes.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 31, 13 9:14 AM
He retired..didn't quit, resign, get fired or anything else you clowns assert. And, for the one-hundredth time since he wasn't coming back in October there was no reason to return for the storm, push Pearce aside and then retire immediately after. Use your brain a little.

We are over it, your the one who keeps repeating the same mantra. Since you offer no facts to refute my post above you must agree that Wilson bears little to no responsibility for the overtime expenditures. And before ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 31, 13 10:58 AM
Wilson didn't pull patrols from Neptunes..you crack me up with your revisionist history. He reassigned part time/seasonal officers and then had the CRU Unit take over for the disbanded Street Crime Unit. He also had Detectives work the Tiana Lot. What's wrong with changing the paradigm? We made plenty of arrests and as far as I know non had their convictions thrown out.

Again, you are lying and misrepresenting what happend. Truth and facts are no friends of yours. As I have previously ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 31, 13 11:19 AM
to Disgustedwithyou:

Quote:

"In May of 2011 the STPD was staffed with 96 sworn officers, including the Chief. A short eighteen months later the staff had been reduced to 86 officers. ...

Check the records.."

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I sure would like to. Can you point us to the source of your data without stirring the mad Press news censors?

Ditto for the info. about Wilson replacing permanent cops at Neptune's with ...more
By highhatsize (4076), East Quogue on May 31, 13 1:02 PM
"Wilson's behavior during Sandy is puzzling. He was still the chief and absented himself during an emergency when I would expect a leader to rush to take charge. Rationales have been proposed for his decision that are unpersuasive."

This last paragraph is worth repeating. In times of a declared state of emergency, it is actually illegal for some law enforcement personnel to quit or even retire. I don't know if a specific law applies to the chief's position or the SHTPD, but I was taken ...more
By lucky and aware (44), Speonk on May 31, 13 1:20 PM
HHS, N. B. "we" many times.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on May 31, 13 1:37 PM
This is next on her agenda. But she has to get the ball rolling and for that, she needs support of the other Board members. If she overreaches, as she really should, the law would have a snowball's chance in hell as her supposed ally, the Supervisor would surely shoot down that anti-PBA law, the organization that literally put her in office and is the biggest source of cop abuse in Southampton politics.
By Obbservant (443), southampton on May 31, 13 6:13 PM
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You sound sound like Hillary Clinton, " What difference does it make that he ran out on the town hours before the largest storm since 1938".
Your standards are woefully substandard. You must be personally aquatinted with the former conspirerer-in-chief
By Jm225316 (18), Holbrook on Jun 7, 13 8:17 PM
to fuou812:

This isn't grandstanding. It's prudent politics. Not only does Bridgey get strokes as an opponent of patronage but she sticks it to the Republicans (who are the authors of the current patronage scandal), and to the SOA, which manipulated patronage promotions for its Republican masters.

In response, the Republican board members should propose the "no off-duty wearing of uniforms" law, which will gig the PBA and THEIR political masters, the Democrats.

Watch ...more
By highhatsize (4076), East Quogue on May 30, 13 3:13 PM
Wow, I would love to know where you got the info about the PBA donating money and working on her campaign. What's the scoop?
By bobypines (7), southampton on May 30, 13 8:26 PM
Lets see . . . Flemming is a democrat . . the democrats wanted Wilson . . . Wilson wanted the board to fire Kiernan . . . the Repubs on the board prevented that . . . Kiernan is repub commiteeman . . . Flemming pushes this law . . . there are no democratic commiteemen in the PD . . the law affects only Kiernan. . . Something not right here can't really put my finger on it but kinda like why its not right to slip in the tongue when u kissing your sister
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on Jun 1, 13 6:48 AM
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Lt. Kiernan is also the SHT PD FOIL officer, so what are the chances of the Press obtaining any interesting documents on any of this?

Isn't this a bit like setting the fox to guard the hen house?
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 1, 13 7:04 AM
http://www.southamptontownny.gov/content/760/762/784/1068/default.aspx
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 1, 13 7:04 AM
One hesitates to take CaptainSig's "sister" metaphor any further . . .
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 1, 13 7:06 AM
Just for the record I don't have any sisters
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on Jun 2, 13 6:34 AM
Apparently the Town Board has just rejected hiring an outside firm to investigate the PD, so the "fox" is now well in charge of the hen house.

Is a federal investigation really underway?

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/458450/Southampton-Supervisor-Callls-For-Investigation-Of-Police-Department?message=posted
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 2, 13 10:25 AM
The Southampton Town Board majority will never voluntarily allow and independent inquiry of STPD internal operations for fear of validating the former Chief's actions. Any Town funded investigation will prove impudent as the beast will never bite the hand that feeds it.

Only a bonified investigation by a governmental entity with subpoena power will provide real results...and we all know that's the last thing the Town of Southampton wants.
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jun 2, 13 12:53 PM
Any substance to the rumor that a federal investigation is underway?
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 2, 13 3:07 PM
Yes there is substance to the federal investigation. There will also be more felons released from custody as the Distrct Attorney's Office continues its portion of the inquiry.

However, the rabbit hole is deep and stretches far beyond the geographical boundaries of the Town of Southampton. I fully agree with your prior statements that they only true remedy is a full scale independent investigation with subpepna's across the board. Wilson, Kiernan, Tanaglia, Kabot..all of them.
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on Jun 2, 13 7:52 PM
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Hopefully the investigation will include Sister Walsh's hit-and-run death almost 11 months ago on Monday July 9, 2012, after which the SHT PD waited 11 days to release the driver's ID and photo. This delay still does not smell right IMO.
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 2, 13 8:58 PM
I'm with you. But don't leave out Gwinn, Costa, Ralph, Bernagozzi, Helmstead, Holst, Fleming, McCardle et al. Let's get to the truth once and for all. And for the record, the reversed felony arrests are technicalities because an officer involved had a prescription drug problem. So let's not keep the hype going. Read the first lawsuit decision.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on Jun 2, 13 11:58 PM
Put 'em all under oath, and let the squealing begin. Once the finger pointing gets rolling -- under oath, with the threat of perjury charges looming -- it could be "Look Out Below" IMO.

And the witness list should be very broad, to include Mr. Heaney and any other past or present county, state, and federal politicians whose hands may be dirty.

PS -- Even if the SHT PD lawsuits are being reversed on a "technicality," the reversals indicate a possible management problem at the SHT ...more
By PBR (4930), Southampton on Jun 3, 13 5:12 AM
Business as usual. If you want to see the SHTPD at work go to the Boardy Barn around 6 pm you can 8 of them patrolling a private lot checking out girls.
By chief1 (2739), southampton on Jun 2, 13 12:41 PM
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