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Jun 6, 2012 10:17 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Pre-Dawn Raids In Hampton Bays Prompt Complaints

Jun 6, 2012 11:18 AM

Before dawn one morning in March, nearly a dozen Southampton Town code enforcement officers and fire marshals swept into the parking lot of a former motel on North Road in Hampton Bays and began banging on doors of the dozen or so rooms.

It has been a long time since occupants of those rooms have been families on a summer holiday, or the parents of graduating Southampton College students. The rooms have become tiny apartments, occupied by poor, primarily Latino, families, sometimes more than one in a single room.

The code enforcement officers came on the suspicion that the motel’s rooms had become dangerously overcrowded. The legal occupancy for this particular motel was 40 people. But when the doors to the rooms opened, the officers said they were met with nearly 80 sleepy faces, many of them children.

Similar raids—the town calls them “inspections”—were conducted last month at two other former motels on East Montauk Highway in Hampton Bays with similar tenant arrangements. In all, hundreds of violations were issued to the owners of the properties that the town hopes will lead to them correcting the dangerous conditions that exist in those buildings.

But the raids have drawn a new round of a familiar criticism of the code officers who lead the raids: that the pre-dawn, unannounced and loudly executed intrusions are unfair, insensitive and even “un-American.”

“It’s not objecting to code enforcement, because we appreciate their role, but we are insisting that to wake people up early in the morning and force them to let you into their homes in a non-criminal case is not American, and wrong, and not acceptable to us,” said Sister Mary Beth Moore, the head of the Centro Corazon de Maria, an outreach group targeting Spanish-speaking residents, based at St. Rosalie’s Roman Catholic Church in Hampton Bays.

“Several cars come into the parking lot, there is a lot of noise, people banging on the doors very loudly and insisting the persons inside open the door,” she continued. “‘Open the door or we’ll break it down!’ It can be traumatizing.”

It is not the first time that town code enforcement has heard these sorts of concerns. Their early-morning visits to homes that they believe contain dangerous living conditions have drawn criticisms in the past, many from other groups and individuals representing the Latino community, which plays a lopsided role as the other half of the cast in these mini-dramas.

Code officers say they are sensitive to the jarring nature of the visits and take pains to dampen the fear factor, but that the critically important job they are doing can be done only in this manner.

“We’re trying to determine, or prove, that there is an overcrowding situation happening, people in bedrooms and basements—if they’re not there, it is not overcrowding,” said David Betts, the town’s chief code enforcement officer. “This department has an obligation to make sure these places are safe, and we try to strike a balance between obtaining information to either substantiate or eliminate the violation of the law and being sensitive to the people involved.

“It’s a tough balance to strike,” he continued. “I spend an inordinate amount of time trying to make sure these inspections—they’re not raids, they’re inspections—are kept polite and as unintrusive as possible.”

He said his officers do not insist that every person in a house be rousted from their beds and lined up, as some tenants have described. He said that care is taken not to scare children, relying on information provided by parents in some instances to account for the number of sleeping children rather than entering some rooms.

But Mr. Betts said the inspections must be effective and, therefore, must be done when people are home; visiting a house with 17 beds or a motel room housing 10 people at noon, when the occupants are away at work or school, will not help address the problem. When proof can be gathered or a situation addressed without the early morning visits, he said that is always the first choice of code officers.

The safety of the town’s residents is his main priority, Mr. Betts said, and overcrowded conditions caused by people living in illegal basement apartments and rooms with cooking and heating devices installed haphazardly are imminent dangers. One of the former motels that was recently raided, he said, was severely damaged in a fire many years ago—an incident that, if it were to repeat itself with the current conditions there, could be devastating.

As he has done in the past following other early-morning raids, Mr. Betts said he met with members of Sister Moore’s organization following the raid in early March. After that meeting, he said he agreed to inform the group, ahead of time, when his officers would be conducting the next two raids at two other former motels now housing families. In both of those instances, the inspections were conducted between 5 and 6 a.m.

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In war, and law enforcement NOTHING is achieved without the element of surprise.

People have DIED because of overcrowding, and poor conditions. Is it my imagination, or is simply that the more "wealth" which has wrought itself upon Long Island, the WORSE things have become?
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 8, 12 11:26 AM
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Wealth is not the enemy. Classic BS.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 12 5:18 PM
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You're right, ignorance is...
Jun 8, 12 5:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
I've got a name for you to research: Michael Ruppert
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 8, 12 5:27 PM
"Our great industrial nation is controlled by it's system of credit. Therefore, all of our activities are in the hands of a small group of men who chill, and check true economic freedom. We have come to be the worst ruled, completely controlled and dominated governments in the world. No longer a government of the majority, but a government of the opinionand duress of a small group of dominant men."

~ Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States in regard to the Federal Reserve
Jun 9, 12 5:32 PM appended by Mr. Z
Fiat currency, and faux "wealth" IS an enemy of society. The surest way to destabilize a society, and create social dysfunction is to debauch the currency. It is a tactic almost as old as war itself.
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 8, 12 5:32 PM
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so they've been saying this BS since wilson?
By milkdilk (46), Southampton on Jun 10, 12 6:59 PM
No. If you knew your History it's been going on for millenia. People today scream "Socialism", and "wealth redistribution" but are blind to the fact that is EXACTLY what has occurred. Three of every four "trickle down" dollars printed by the Fed never trickled past the top 10% of income earners, and the wealth of this country has been redistributed. To less than one-tenth of it's population. Statistics show that 66% of the world's wealth, is held by 19% of it's population. Oligarchy is an ugly ...more
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 2:14 PM
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My heartfelt thanks to Mr. Betts and his team. They are working very hard to protect all of the citizens of Hampton Bays and the entire Town of Southampton. This is the only way to prove the violations. I wish the "sisters" would be so zealous in their advocacy of the rights of all the citizens of the town and not just a select few. While no one deserves to live like the people at the motel, neighbors don't deserve this eyesore in their backyard either. Hardworking citizens never bargained for these ...more
By Babyboo (257), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 12 11:43 AM
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" Crowded into slums is more traumatizing in the long run than a raid"

Really? And with what basis are you making this claim? I just hope on some weekend when there is an extra car or two in front of your house Code Enforcement bangs on your door and wakes your kids up for a headcount.
By Hambone (507), New York on Jun 8, 12 5:14 PM
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I've got a better idea.

How about we move them all in next door to you?
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 8, 12 8:37 PM
Another Liberal twisting what happened at the motel. Code Enforcement has never raided a house with an extra car or two. Whats your solution let 80 people live in nine rooms? Liberals always want a perfect world with no ideas on how to do it. bla bla bla
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 9, 12 11:36 AM
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Extra car or two? Seems that this was a tad more than that! LOL

By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 12 10:23 PM
How traumatizing for the children that live there! While I realize they must perform the "raids" (how ridiculous it has to be a 'raid'), why not stop by at 8 or 9 in the evening with a light knock on the door? Horrible.
By Miss K. (100), East Quogue on Jun 8, 12 12:12 PM
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First off - it's not a raid. That's 27east spinning things. There's no reason for them to use the word "raid" in the headline. I guess they don't have access to dictionaries at 27east offices.

At 8 or 9 in the evening many of the adults are still working. While a lot of them are landscapers, many work at restaurants which are open until 10 or later especially on weekends. The time when the majority of occupants will be home is very early in the morning. Btw, for fun, what's your definition ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 12 12:24 PM
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Letting people know in advance that there will be an inspection is the stupidest thing I ever heard. Adjusting the time of the inspections makes more sense. Why do those breaking the law deserve special treatment anyway.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 8, 12 12:17 PM
Whats next? Do we warn the drunk driver that there is a road block up the road? Should we announce to the shoplifter that we are watching you? Don't break the law and we would have less problems. We need everyone who lives in our town to obey the laws/codes on the books.
By rmartel (5), hampton bays on Jun 8, 12 12:27 PM
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I hope the community realizes the life threat if there was ever a fire or any other kind of tragic emergency. Having double the occupency leads to many different issues especially when many are children. I wouldnt even just say for the children but what about the emergency personal that would have to respond there. With the over crowding and making what is supposed to be a room not an apartment. Look at the black sunday fire for example. The owner of the building made changes to the building with ...more
By Sour09 (18), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 12 3:36 PM
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I have a question for sister Moore since she wants to speak of ethics. There were approx. 60 children living in this hotel which pays less than 15,000 in school taxes. Lets multiply 60 times 25,000 which is the cost to educate a child. That comes out to 1.5 million dollars that the taxpayers pay for the so called ethical motel in Shinnecock Hills. Pretty outrageous for a person who represents the Catholic Church (which pays no taxes) to talk about ethics.
If sister Moore wants to talk ethics ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 8, 12 7:38 PM
40 less kids in the school district sounds great for the taxpayers. Go Betts!
If you see overcrowding report it! Call 702-2928 or go to www.southamptontownny.gov click on Code Enforcement and use the report a code violation button.

By BigOne (22), Hampton Bays on Jun 8, 12 7:42 PM
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By PJC (5), Westhampton on Jun 9, 12 12:02 AM
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By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 9, 12 8:12 AM
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This is the only time that they are all home. When would be a better time for them to conduct these legal inspections? By the way, how many of the occupants were "legal" AMERICAN citizens?
By Hillsnbells (40), Southampton on Jun 8, 12 8:47 PM
This is the second time code enforcement raided this motel finding many,many violations. What happened with the first raid??? Now a second raid, close it down already. What a bunch of crap, they know what conditions these people are living in. The town code enforcement made a big headline with a raid and nothing happens.
By reg rep (408), Southampton on Jun 8, 12 9:05 PM
Code enforcement out enforcing code. Shouldn't be a big deal. Sprinkle in the Latino part and it becomes news. Sister Moore doesn't like the way CE does its job. Given the result of the raid I'd say anyone with any appreciation for the rule of law would disagree with Sister Moore. Remove the Latino part from the story and tell me you still disagree with CE's actions.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 8, 12 9:10 PM
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"wake people up early in the morning and force them to let you into their homes in a non-criminal case is not American"

Thats okay Sister Moore, neither were the occupants. Ask the residence how law enforcement would operate in this scenario in their respective homelands, and I'm pretty sure they'd rather have it done this way.
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 8, 12 10:24 PM
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I have literally seen that hotel fill up an entire large school bus with children. Thats why our schools and hospitals are overflowing with illegals, and your taxes keep going up.(spare me the "how do you know there illegal" questions)
By GoldenBoy (337), EastEnd on Jun 9, 12 7:31 AM
How do you know they are illegal?
By lucy2 (63), Southampton, NY on Jun 9, 12 12:53 PM
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So much for humble requests...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 9, 12 3:42 PM
Who owns the motel-I bet he is legal-and why is he not being fined and stopped from overcrowding and overcharging?
By tenn tom (218), remsenburg on Jun 9, 12 8:21 AM
I especially like where Sister Moore says the town has another agenda. What agenda is that sister? Long before we had the illegal alien problem here the ex building inspector Paul Houlihan was getting search warrants, and court orders to shut down these motels. Those people being thrown out were White, and African American citizens. God forbid there was a fire the same occupants of the motel would start a lawsuit against the town for not acting.
I think this country is really sick of this ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 9, 12 11:33 AM
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The town should be fining the owner erveryday for the breaking the law.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 9, 12 12:15 PM
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How many people REALLY leave for work between 5 and 6AM. And how many children leave then for school?
If the motel has occupancy for 40 and they found 80, they could come at 7 AM and still probably get 70-75 people there. More than enough to make their case.
Who are they kidding. I think it s harrassment, pure and simple.
By baywoman (162), southampton on Jun 9, 12 4:31 PM
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Your statement, baywoman, is pure speculation. If there are 80 people living there, you think that only 5 of them are not home at seven? The FACT is that at the early hours of the morning is generally the time that most people are in their homes. If most people were home at one in the afternoon, the raids would have been then. Plus by catching the residents while they sleep, it takes away the defense of them claiming that they don't live their, but are just visiting a friend. Use your head.
Jun 12, 12 4:32 PM appended by AlwaysLocal
By the way, I leave for work between 5 and 6 everyday
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 12, 12 4:32 PM
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Illegals all leave for work very early-they need to be first in line for work at 7-11
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 9, 12 6:41 PM
So that's why I can't even get a local job @ HB 7-11..
By **HBQueenBee** (46), Hampton Bays on Jun 10, 12 1:15 AM
Bravo! Code enforcement !!!!!!!!!!!!!
By steve457 (22), southampton on Jun 9, 12 11:18 PM
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By **HBQueenBee** (46), Hampton Bays on Jun 10, 12 1:12 AM
Sorry Sister, you're wrong. Code enforcement was looking out for the safety of these people, saving them from themselves. Your agenda is to keep as many Latino immigrants in your parish as possible, they're the fastest growing group of Catholics in the country. They're the ones paying your salary. I'm Catholic and as such , entitled to speak to this point.
By bigfresh (4050), north sea on Jun 10, 12 7:20 AM
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Perhaps Sister and the Catholic church would like to pick up the tax tab for these children.
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 12 10:27 PM
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What about the citizens who live here? Do we have rights? Or are we just supposed to pay the taxes for reduced services and shut up
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 10, 12 10:22 AM
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It is a safety issue and a huge problem plaguing our community...our taxes are higher because the schools cannot handle the influx of students due to the fact that home/motel owners are not paying proper taxes. Fine them and raise their individual taxes; they want to cram 50% more people into their places, let them, just as long as they pay for it. Increase fire/occupancy inspections to once a month, pay the local fire departments for inspections in their towns, and crack down on the illegal ...more
By 1bigfish (18), Hampton Bays on Jun 10, 12 10:25 AM
The nature of the views seen here in this forum is the true "Un-American" tragedy today. Where is your empathy? The majority of the occupants found - and most likely terrified - by these raids were children. Whether they were documented or not, these children remain innocent. Law enforcement should continue to perform these inspections for their safety, however raiding these residences before 7 am is unfair.
By youngdem (16), Southampton on Jun 10, 12 12:32 PM
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Welcome to the REAL world. If there was more pressure on foreign governments to fix their society's infrastructure, ours would not be so desirable. That fact notwithstanding, good medicine almost never tastes good.

Life is unfair, and someday you may become accustomed to that, or possibly grow up to change it.

Good luck with the latter, I haven't had much myself...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 10, 12 1:11 PM
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Empathy, and Un American? That so called Motel is costing Hampton Bays taxpayers over 1.5 million dollars. Since when is it American to watch a group of people rob them blind? Who put these children in this position? The parents of these children put them in this situation not anyone on this board. Why doesn't Sister Moore call CPS if she is so worried about these children? Why do illegals have so may kids when they can't afford them? What happened to having responsibility for your actions has that ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 10, 12 1:33 PM
Raids generally work well when the people are home. If we put your kinder, gentler raid to the test I fear the results would be worse than poor. As for the child aspect, I feel bad for them. I honestly do. That said, the parents need to take some responsibility by A. not reproducing if you can't provide basic needs B. realize when a situation is dangerous C. have a little respect for laws and codes.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 10, 12 3:16 PM
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If God forbid a fire broke out in that establishment and some of those children were injured or killed due to over crowding and unsafe conditions, would you still say that was ok, at least they weren't disturbed during a raid?

By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 13, 12 11:22 PM
I would tell the sister that the town is going to raid everyday between 7am and 10pm-put the motel out of business. Hampton Bays can not afford this any longer. Each child is costing the town over $20,000 per
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 10, 12 5:38 PM
Or a better way would be to station an officer there full time and count the people coming and going-either way the place is overcrowded and against the law. Go after the owner, not the residents.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 10, 12 5:41 PM
Sister M B Moor,You are an educated woman so I must believe your comments are comong from your emotions,have you visited this slum housing that you are trying to keep in business,do you think a visit from law enforcement officers in the early AM is going to traumatize these kids who are living in such substandard housing,If a fire was to break out (and I pray it will never happen) and lives were lost you would be the first to say code inforcement dident care about the safety of these poor people,,you ...more
By Etians rd (509), Southampton on Jun 10, 12 6:17 PM
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While I believe that something needs to be done, and in all fairness to everyone, Code Enforcement needs to go get a search warrant based on probable cause. Such a warrant would be easy to obtain based on the information this article contains.

This is America first, let’s not trample on the Constitution. Let's do it the right way.
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Jun 10, 12 8:04 PM
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I really thought long, and hard about this post. BUT, I have to repeat myself:

Having an open heart is one thing. Knowing when to close it so it is not trampled upon is another entirely.
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 2:00 AM
Enforcement is the only Solution, These raids most continue on a daily basis .
Lets not forget sister,(Even Heaven has a Gate). Start Deportation.........Now
By G_J_V_Overbeck (24), Westhampton Beach on Jun 10, 12 9:55 PM
There is no way mass deportation will occur. So many reasons to list, but all you need to know is that it is political suicide. That and it is mostly immigrant labor picking your apples and lettuce. Govt has turned a blind eye for so long that the problem is enormous and toxic. So instead of finding common sense and fair solutions, the cowards do nothing and families of 6 pack into 1 room apartments while towns struggle with the added weight.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 11, 12 8:03 AM
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It worked real well for Ike in 1954 Operation Wetback (Govt. Name Google it) rounded up about a million illegal aliens.They shipped them 500 miles into Mexico.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 12, 12 7:21 PM
1954.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 12, 12 9:12 PM
Time for Southampton Town to say raids will happen any day any time so clean up the hotels. It's also time too start a suit against the landlord he basically stole 1.5 million from the taxpayers to slum out his motel. Once suits start it will make landlords think twice about loading up their properties
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 10, 12 10:46 PM
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Follow the money or in this case the offering baskets. I bet those baskets would be empty, if hotel & rental overcrowding was enforced on a regular basis, especially for the St. Rosalie's based Centro Corazon de Maria. Being un-American is NOT paying taxes.
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Jun 11, 12 12:14 AM
The baskets were full way before they came to st rosalies, if anything a lot of of what 's in those baskets go to that mission.
By jams (127), hampton bays on Jun 11, 12 6:56 PM
Folla' the dolla'...

ROMA...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 1:52 AM
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By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 2:32 AM
Sister, with all due respect to her causes, needs an education in the economics of the situation and what locals can and can not afford in terms of medical, educational and financial support in general to care for illegal immigrants.
Everyone appreciates what the Sisters do for the poor but they, as their own institution requires of those who don't belong to their Church, should stay out of the debate. They can do what they can afford to do in every sense of the word.
No more, no less ...more
By maggie (16), East Quogue on Jun 11, 12 10:03 AM
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I didn't know about these inspections but I now fully support them. The law is the law, overcrowding creates safety and health concerns. My full support goes to Mr Betts and town code enforcement.
By unjustifiedjustice2 (35), East Quogue on Jun 11, 12 11:21 AM
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Mr Z, that was a great piece!
By Lets go mets (339), Southampton on Jun 11, 12 12:24 PM
Actually, that was Carlin. The devil in me just couldn't resist...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 1:00 PM
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By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 11, 12 2:34 PM
THE LAST THREE PRESIDENTS, covering near 20 years of America's history, are known to have enjoyed illegal drugs during their lifetimes. Three prominent examples of how "drugs" not only DO NOT destroy lives, but don't even prevent a person, if fortunate enough to evade detection by the forces of Prohibition, from ascending to the top position of the Government that is the World's LEADER in Prohibition.

It's the Damnedest thing. - Chet Mozart

Pre-Dawn Raids on drug dealers don't ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 11, 12 2:41 PM
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Yeah the last three presidents were real winners too. President Clinton had no morals and was playing hide the cigar with an intern while his wife was on the other side of the White House. This guy said he smoked pot but didn't inhale a real intellect. We had Bush who started a war with a country on a rumor of having weapons that never existed. Maybe paranoia he acquired from prior drug use. Then our present genius who tells so many stories he can't remember them from his fried coke ridden brain. ...more
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 11, 12 8:09 PM
Chief, it's not the drugs, it's the people.

"It is not the substance which should be put to question, but the substance of the PERSON which should be put to question."
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 11, 12 10:51 PM
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Yeah what he said.... Addiction is much more complex than a substance(s). I can't post a link here due to the censorship policies, but search Gabor Mate on YouTube and he may be able to enlighten you chief1. He is the author of a book entitled "In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts" : Close Encounters With Addiction.

As for the last three presidents, I never claimed they were winners. Yet they after doing these addictive, dangerous and overhyped substances, still managed to achieve a position ...more
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 12, 12 7:02 PM
GOOD THING THEY GOT RAID OF THE NAZIS IN GERMANY...OH WAIT...MAYBE NOT....THEY CAME TO AMERICA !
By YXZ (32), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 12 3:18 PM
Yeah that whole gas chamber thing and knocking on doors to check for code violations are totally the same thing. Oh and asking people for id too, like the Nazi checkout girl when I had to buy cough medicine. Brilliant.
By jams (127), hampton bays on Jun 11, 12 7:04 PM
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The funny thing about Hampton Bays is the busy bodies are worried about any improvements to help the town. Meanwhile half the businesses have signs in Spanish and the residents say nothing. Main St looks like Havanna Cuba and school taxes are going up so high the residents will be forced out. The illegals are the invaders and the aggressors and people of Hampton Bays are being marched to the slaughter and do nothing. Thank you Sister Moore for making Hampton Bays a third world village.
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 11, 12 8:16 PM
"Meanwhile half the businesses have signs in Spanish and the residents say nothing."

What should they say? You can rent the building but you can't speak or advertize in Spanish?

I doubt people haven't noticed. I'm not sure what is to be done about it. What would you suggest Chief?
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 11, 12 10:26 PM
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LOL...FYI...THAT'S CALLED "SUPPLY AND DEMAND" ...
By YXZ (32), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 12 10:55 AM
I believe we are in a very dangerous situation, namely, we cannot inquire the
status of the individuals, we cannot investigate overcrowding housing (you state
raids) -- The burden on all the taxpayers for these individuals and most
importantly, the living conditions in these motels and rental houses are unsafe.
Question: Where do the people end of living and does the taxpayer wind up
paying again?
Congratulations to Dave Betts and the Code Enforcement Team who are ...more
By East Ender (64), Southampton on Jun 11, 12 7:00 PM
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All businesses in Hampton Bays should have Spanish signs-it should be required. Its really terrible that only half the businesses treat their customers correctly.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 12, 12 8:01 AM
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I TOTALLY AGREE...IF YOU GO TO HOLLYWWOD FLORIDA ....SINGS ARE IN ENGLISH, SPANISH AND FRENCH...BECASUE SUPPLY AND DEMAND...YOU HAVE TO CATER TO THE PUBLIC....ANY NATIONALITY...AS LONG AS THEY ARE MAIN STREETS THERE WILL BE RESTAURANTS AND BARBER SHOPS...AND ALL KIND OF BUSINESS...UNLESS ONE IS LIVING UNDER A ROCK....LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION...
By YXZ (32), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 12 10:58 AM
XYZ, all caps are annoying. Your Nazi post was absolutely ridiculous. Commas should not be replaced with (...) and posts about the English language that are littered with spelling errors are funny in a sad way.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 12, 12 11:13 AM
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I am confused by what you mean in this statement.

"Its really terrible that only half the businesses treat their customers correctly. "
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 12, 12 12:27 PM
"All businesses in Hampton Bays should have Spanish signs-it should be required"
By your line of reasoning all workers shoulld be obligated to speak english and spanish. However, there are more than a few workers in Hampton Bays who cost their employers money due to not being able to communicate with English speaking patrons. Should the customer be obligated to learn spanish, or vice-versa? (that's a rhetorical question, as the answer should be obvious)
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 12, 12 4:22 PM
Sorry bb-disregard that statement
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 12, 12 2:43 PM
Ok!
By bb (852), Hampton Bays on Jun 13, 12 11:20 PM
Southampton proclaims to be the first English settlement in NY. And now anyone who thinks that English should be the official language is a racist. LOL! Play the violin for someone else. I won't spend my money in stores that accomodate these criminals. I feel totally comfortable saying criminals, because well more than half are here illegally.

I'm all for drug testing for welfare, while we're at it, how about now food stamps if you're here illegally. Most certainly no welfare forms in ...more
Jun 12, 12 9:38 PM appended by ICE
now should be no.... I still waiting to pay for my groceries and have the first Latino women in front of me pay with cash or credit instead of food stamps! I wonder how many benefit cards they each have? One per SS # probably!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 12, 12 9:38 PM
yes is the obvious answer
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 12, 12 9:54 PM
It was not a yes/no question, EastEnd. The question is, "who is responsible for making an effort to communicate with the other, the worker or the patron?" If you're suggesting that customers should learn the language of the workers at a store, than why have signs in spanish at the DMV, Social Security, Soocial Services, Hospitals, Police Stations and other critical "english speaking" instituations?
By AlwaysLocal (292), southampton on Jun 13, 12 11:16 AM
So sorry for my caps, sometimes my phone just does it, I understand Double Standard it can be annoying, and I am an American who can make mistakes especially typing without my glasses and in a hurry, however, I have to say that if I touch a nerve....it is only an opinion, no hard feelings. That's the beauty of have freedom of speech and God gave us free will to make a decision and not look at what is not worth the attention, so I have to say we are all imperfect and can make mistakes, my opinion ...more
By YXZ (32), Hampton Bays on Jun 13, 12 12:08 AM
Truthfully, it was Mark Twain who said:

"History does not repeat itself. But, it often rhymes."
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 13, 12 9:08 AM
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To be a citizen you have to speak English, write English, and know US history. If your not a citizen you need signs in Spanish,but we won't bring that up.
By chief1 (2605), southampton on Jun 13, 12 6:17 PM
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It is not about the legality of the people coming here or the signs in spanish, it is about people paying their share to live here. The government is constantly providing, we are dealing with lazy or uneducated people. In this situation NO race is exempt from milking the government. Please concentrate on solving problems, not placing blame.
By 1bigfish (18), Hampton Bays on Jun 13, 12 8:51 PM
I think it is about them coming here illegally, there is a right way and a wrong way to enter this or any country for that matter and it is through the front door after knocking, not through the metaphorical window an alien or some coyote broke to gain entry.

As for signs in Spanish, No Thank You!

Push 1 for English, fat chance!

Agree no race or ethnicity is exempt from milking the government, but they should milk their own government not OURS!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 13, 12 9:43 PM
People are not lazy or uneducated just because they do not speak English.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 14, 12 9:51 AM
I disagree, they have every opportunity to learn English, if they choose not to, it is either laziness, arrogance or both. They are invaders who think they are entitled to the social programs in America, because of the injustices done in their homelands first American corporations, then the multi-national corporations they have morphed into. Or maybe that is giving them too much analytical credit.

America the land of opportunity and Food Stamps!!

None of this changes the fact ...more
Jun 14, 12 1:49 PM appended by ICE
sent too soon.... What kind of melting pot do we have without the ability to communicate?
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Jun 14, 12 1:49 PM
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I agree, ICE. The situation in the Bays is at critical mass. Boo-hoo to the sympathizers, we are being overrun. Why should I learn Spanish to communicate with my co-workers? I was born here! Time to make a statement to the lame, PC politicians who fatten up on the tide of illegals and do something. Keep raiding, Mr. Betts, I'm with you!
By **HBQueenBee** (46), Hampton Bays on Jun 14, 12 1:56 PM
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Agreed. It's critical mass. Hampton Bays is overrun. Sirens all the time. Traffic traffic traffic. It's an invasion.
By Babyboo (257), Hampton Bays on Jun 14, 12 5:12 PM
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Wasn't that long ago that Hampton Bays was a terrific little fishing town
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 15, 12 2:55 PM
It was an invasion years ago. It's now an occupation.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 9:35 PM
Yes, babyboo, but what -can- we do? Rally in the streets? Boycott? How can we harness some of these fine posters into a viable force that folks will take seriously? I'm on board, even if alone. I love the Bays and want my son to benefit from living in such a kickass hamlet
By **HBQueenBee** (46), Hampton Bays on Jun 15, 12 11:03 AM
Headline:

Obama administration won't seek deportation of young illegal immigrants
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 15, 12 12:05 PM
Shocking.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 12:57 PM
Will they be eligible for Obamacare? Unemployment benefits? Disability? Do any of them have an economics degree to help Mr. Obama figure out how to stop us from going broke in a few years?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 1:35 PM
There's a tipping point somewhere.

I'm just patiently wondering when...
Jun 15, 12 1:40 PM appended by Mr. Z
NO MAS "JUS SOLI".
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 15, 12 1:40 PM
How many kids are they going to have? We'll be paying for them as well while they are dumbing down our kids education.
By TianaBob (256), S.Jamesport on Jun 15, 12 3:01 PM
Obama understands the we need illegals here to cut lawns, clean pools, clean houses etc. All those things we are unwilling to do ourselves. Illegals would not be here if we were not hiring them.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 15, 12 1:47 PM
I'll finish your thought EE68
Illegals would not be here if we were not hiring them at wages that undercut the market. Maybe we are all guilty? I know a lot of us use services that in all likelihood employ illegal workers.
If the imported labor wasn't here would all of those jobs go unfilled? I don't know. My bet is some of those jobs would have to go from $10/hr up to $15/hr to get people interested. Then a dinner out would cost a few more bucks. So would your lawn care. It all depends ...more
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 2:20 PM
Or Hell, Maybe my teenage son would be able to find a job! All the jobs once great for kids are all taken.
By squeaky (289), hampton bays on Jun 15, 12 9:25 PM
8.2% unemployment, and millionis underemployed.

Sure, a larger population is JUST what we need...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 15, 12 1:54 PM
This is the most corrupt and unconstitutional administration this country has ever seen – it’s criminal. And if you think it will be limited to ONLY 800,000 illegals and those who were 16 and who are younger than 30 and lived here for five years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or served in the military - you're kidding yourself. Obama has even said Obamacare would never cover illegals. And when Joe Wilson shouted “you lie” he was taken to the ...more
Jun 15, 12 2:14 PM appended by Mr. Snerdley
I hope when Romney becomes President he signs an executive order proclaiming Jus Soli is the law of the land.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jun 15, 12 2:14 PM
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Apparently you slept through Bush 2.0...
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 15, 12 9:50 PM
Bush 2.0 isn't running for Bush 3.0, and it paled in comparison to the Obama regime who IS running for Obama 2.0. Care to back that up with any substance that demonstrates the accusation because I'll be the first to admit Bush has his shortcomings, but nothing like this.
By Mr. Snerdley (392), Southampton on Jun 16, 12 9:08 AM
Does the Patriot Act ring a bell?

Nothing like taking out two Constitutional Amendments at a clip.
Jun 16, 12 9:38 AM appended by Mr. Z
And frankly, the painting by that ignoramus McNaughton should have had someone like a Wall St. suit, with a handfull of burning money, with one foot on the Constitution. Or, preferably Alan Greenspan or even Bill Clinton with the GLBA in his hand. There are tens, or even hundreds who have disregarded, or undone proper law and order in the last thirty years for their own gain. And the last four presidents were no different. And, if you think Romney and his Wall St. friends will be better, think again. As Lewis Black wisely said, "You're faced with two bowls of ****. The only difference is the smell."
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 16, 12 9:38 AM
Who said this:

There is something simmering deep inside the the soul of all Americans. We want to know that we are a free people, that the government acknowledges our individual righs, that fiscal responsibility is an absolute requirement. We wan our presidents and politicians to mean what they say when the take the oath of office... "to defend the Constitution of the United States."
Do we have freedom when half the country pays taxes to support the other half? Do we have freedom ...more
By Mr. Z (10907), North Sea on Jun 16, 12 10:23 AM
Maybe a massive rally. A march down Main St. HB! Publish the names of those local business people (you know who you are) who hire illegals. Publish the names of our neighbors who pick up illegals at the movie theater or 7 Eleven to do work at their homes....
By Babyboo (257), Hampton Bays on Jun 15, 12 2:43 PM
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or a march to the voting booth in March. A March march if you will.
Jun 15, 12 3:27 PM appended by double standard
Der. I meant November. Is it Friday yet?
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 3:27 PM
Let me know when, babyboo. I'm so there
And at the voting booth..
By **HBQueenBee** (46), Hampton Bays on Jun 15, 12 5:03 PM
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double standard-yes the trade off is to be paying more for those services. The same people yelling are the same people unwilling to pay more.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jun 15, 12 5:55 PM
Ah. So who are we mad at? The supply side or the demand side? We expect to pay a certain price for certain services. Those expectations become unrealistic once the cost of labor gets too high. The businessman faces the dilemma of going out of business or hiring illegals. He or she makes the choice to survive and hires illegals. We pay for the services at the price we expect. Let's be honest, we are not paying more than we have to. Then the illegals move in and we get angry. Then they have kids ...more
Jun 16, 12 8:04 PM appended by double standard
That's a really long post. I need a hobby.
By double standard (1506), Remsenburg on Jun 15, 12 8:04 PM
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Look the illegals have more rights than you Americans so you are the ones breaking the law just be quiet eat your caviar and let them cut your hedges along Hill Street for 50 pesos an hour and all will be fine. Enjoy the summer.
By MACDADDY (49), SOUTHAMPTON on Jun 16, 12 5:20 PM