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UPDATE: Top Cops Dispute Charges That Street Crime Unit Office Was Strewn With Drugs

Publication: The Southampton Press
By Colleen Reynolds   Mar 7, 2013 9:42 PM
Mar 13, 2013 11:55 AM

A search early last year found that the Southampton Town Police Street Crime Unit office at police headquarters in Hampton Bays was littered with drugs—cocaine, marijuana and prescription pills—plus paraphernalia and money, all unsecured and unregistered as evidence in ongoing undercover drug investigations and prosecutions.

Former Southampton Town Police Chief William Wilson Jr., speaking for the first time since his retirement late last year, in an interview last week discussed his discovery in early 2012 of the overall condition of the unit’s office—including unsecured narcotics in desks and cabinets and cash strewn about—that sparked an internal investigation. A subsequent search uncovered 37 items that were then turned over to the Suffolk County Crime Lab, and many of them were later confirmed by testing to be controlled substances. The unit’s office was regularly accessed by civilian and custodial staff, Mr. Wilson said.

Newly obtained documents—including forensic reports by the Suffolk County Crime Lab and investigative photographs—detail the state of the office used by the now-defunct undercover anti-drug squad, which is at the crux of an investigation by Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas J. Spota’s office into more than 100 drug-related arrests prosecuted by the unit. That probe, which continues, led to last spring’s release of two convicted drug dealers from prison and the overturning of their felony convictions.

The D.A.’s office rarely comments on or confirms investigations, and this week it declined to comment on findings in the unit’s office. Last week, however, it was revealed in a lawsuit against the department that a third convicted felon prosecuted by the Street Crime Unit had his charges quietly dropped last summer as part of the same investigation.

“This goes down to the very ideal of having faith in your law enforcement mechanism,” Mr. Wilson said. “Unfortunately, that public trust was violated.”

The Street Crime Unit was headed by the current police chief, Robert Pearce, when he was a lieutenant, and Lieutenant James Kiernan had served as the unit’s supervising sergeant when he held that rank. This week they both challenged Mr. Wilson’s claims.

Chief Pearce said that, to the best of his knowledge, there were no loose drugs. “I believe that the only thing that was found was some cocaine residue,” he said this week, adding that over-the-counter painkillers like Advil were found, too. The office, he said, was filled with prop drugs—used for teaching demonstrations.

The lab results show that items submitted by Mr. Wilson included small quantities of marijuana, as well as items that tested positive as pure cocaine, plus items with trace amounts of marijuana residue, as well as several tablets of prescription drugs, including the painkiller Tramadol and quetiapine fumarate, which is prescribed to treat schizophrenia and symptoms of bipolar disorder.

Lt. Kiernan, meanwhile, and his attorney, Ray Perini, attacked Mr. Wilson for conducting a “smear campaign” against the lieutenant.

Lt. Kiernan on Monday said all the drugs and evidence were handled properly and did not present a public safety concern. “The Street Crime Unit has the best officers that the department has to offer, and they do tremendous work in service to the town, and for [Mr. Wilson] to say anything otherwise is outrageous. I don’t know what his motives are,” he said.

Oversight Of The Unit

A document obtained from a source this week revealed that Lt. Kiernan, following a nearly six-month suspension, had pleaded guilty in October 2012 to four disciplinary charges that then-Chief Wilson had filed against him—the most egregious of which involved lying to Suffolk County Police Internal Affairs investigators regarding his supervision of the unit. He also admitted to failing to act immediately upon receiving a complaint that an officer in his unit was addicted to painkillers and, in fact, allowed the officer to continue on active duty.

Pleading guilty to the four disciplinary charges satisfied 28 remaining counts, many of which dealt with Lt. Kiernan’s oversight of the Street Crime Unit. He was forced to give up 73 days of sick, personal and vacation time as a penalty. He has since returned to active duty.

Lt. Kiernan’s attorney, Mr. Perini, said the agreement stipulated that while a guilty plea was entered to the four disciplinary charges, the lieutenant was only admitting to failing to adequately document his assigning another officer to serve as driver for the officer in question while he was on duty.

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Sour grapes...
By Clarity (65), Whb on Mar 7, 13 10:04 PM
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Sour grapes is what we will have when our taxes go up for paying 100 lawsuits of people that get released from prison.
It is unconscionable what the town board, Chief Pearce & Lt Kiernan appeared to have done. They should be open to personal liability and not covered by the town's insurance.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 12:16 AM
NUZZI you got to be kidding don't act like you were never told this its on record. And Malone your remarks are embarrassing. Just like when you stated that SGT Lisa Costa was more than qualified for the position of Lieutenant but you questioned Chief Wilsons judgement. Well three weeks prior to requesting Costa's promotion Wilson Promoted SGT James Kiernan, P.O. Mike Burns and Det Steve Miller to supervisory positions. How come his judgement was good then. You are ridiculous and should stop speaking. ...more
By carson (78), southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:00 PM
far from sour grapes...when you have an officer of a unit being a user you need to take a very close look at the situation....I commend Wilson for being diligent with his responsibilities as chief....shame on a board who seems to have ignored what was brought to light by a man who apparently believes in following the law. Officers involved should have NEVER been returned to duty..it is a mockery of law enforcement!
By BeachGal (69), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 13 10:09 PM
This seems to be what happens when a law enforcement professional meets an old school wanna be "narcotics" unit and its Sgt...... If the town board truly covered this up then the DA's office needs to be firm and swift from the town board down the line to Pearce and Kiernan. Something is rotten here and I suspect it's the people still in power at the police department
By mrobin (95), North Sea on Mar 7, 13 10:13 PM
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Great reporting!

Thank you to former Chief Wilson for speaking out.

The ball is now in the court of the Town Board, and the initial quotes above do not exactly inspire confidence.

These cracks in the dam suggest more to come IMO.

Good.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 10:13 PM
I agree with you PBR but you can't blame me for being skeptical that this will go anywhere.
By dnice (1323), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 13 10:23 PM
Skepticism is understandable. IMO though, now that The Blue Wall of Silence has cracked open, other law enforcement personnel will come forward to help clean up this mess, as they don't want their careers and reputations to be ruined by the bad deeds of others.

Former Chief Wilson has set a sterling example here for the new "Top Cop" on the beat. May others follow his courageous lead.

The Town Board elections are this fall, and some changes should be expected. Even those members ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 3:03 AM
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Come on PBR, you're ready to tar and feather this guy for the hit and run last year. Now you accept his words as credible?
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 10:30 AM
Then Chief Wilson was the spokesperson for the Town, but was he protecting higher-ups who ordered the 11-day delay in releasing the ID and photo of the driver? THAT question has always been the priority.

BTW tomorrow will mark the EIGHT month since Sister Walsh was mowed down.

Thanks for the reminder.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:32 AM
PS -- Judge a person by his actions, at each turn of the road. Here Mr. Wilson's actions have been exemplary IMO.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:35 AM
blank, are you implying that Mr. Wilson's words here are NOT credible? Please post detailed factual information which contradicts him.

Sooner or later we MAY get to the bottom of things?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:38 AM
sunnydays, feel free to chime in here . .

Plus other insiders who posted in the Gagnon article.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:42 AM
First, who are the "higher ups" he was covering for?
If that is true, then knoing his first duty is to the citizenry, why cover up anything, ergo, besmirching his badge and sworn duty.
I have no evidence that what he is saying is false.
Do you have any that it is true?
Gagnon article?
Numerous times you attempted to infer that he should have taken some action or was somehow culpable.
You just can't have it both ways.
Judge by his actions at each turn? So I can disappoint ...more
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 12:36 PM
"So I can disappoint one day and shine the next?"

Yes, you are human aren't you?

Just askin' logical questions about items hidden behind The Blue Wall . . .

Regarding Wilson's credibility, you said above, "Now you accept his words as credible?" Do you not see an implication here?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 12:41 PM
Do I believe in second chances? Of course.
But then there is always "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
I believe we would be best off with a wait and see attitude. Chief Pearce deserves his time to reorganize and lead the department which has been "leaderless" since 1989.
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 1:11 PM
Gotcha, except for your last sentence.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 1:16 PM
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By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 1:34 PM
Blank - "Chief Pearce deserves his time to reorganize and lead the department which has been "leaderless" since 1989."
He was part of what you are calling a leaderless administration. He was the head of the Street Crimes Unit while these events took root as well as while they unfolded, where was his leadership in bringing this to light?
"If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." He apparently has been part of the problem for a long time.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 1:34 PM
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And as a Sgt ot LT, he was supposed to tell Cheif Overton and Capt Tenaglia what to do?
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 1:55 PM
Tell them what to do? No. He did and does have a ethical and moral obligation to report misconduct and/or criminal behavior. Do you disagree?
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 3:05 PM
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blank!, if Pearce is "the man" for this job, it is time for him to hold a press conference and assure the public (his real employer) that he will indeed clean up all the messes he was left.

He should recognize that the SHT PD has a credibility problem here, and that he must do something new to move forward. The same old same old will not be well received IMO.

He is going to need new funding and cooperation from the Board, and from the public. Silence will assure failure in his ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 4:06 PM
Yes he took an aoth and has to tell and report. Unless he was skimming of the bottom of the bag as well.
By carson (78), southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:03 PM
You both assume that what Wilson claims is gospel truth.
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 8:11 PM
Based on documented facts in 27east archives, Wilson has the credibility. He was not involved in paper shredding, did not hide files, cover up incompetence and corruption, make patronage promotions or try to buy people off to retire.
The DA's office actions corroborate Wilson's statements and if you have facts that prove otherwise I for one am for the truth getting flushed out.
I wished the actions of the Town Board, Chief Pearce, LT Kiernan and the rest of the parties involved instilled ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 8:42 PM
blank, if Mr. Wilson's statements are not the "gospel truth," Chief Pierce can rebut them publicly and loudly.

Hiding behind The Blue Wall of Silence is fast becoming an historic relic of a previous way of doing business.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 7:23 AM
The public revelation of ALL facts here is not far away IMO, as the Blue Wall is about to come tumbling down.

Those who remain silent before The Wall crumbles will have a hard time untangling themselves from the debris.

Better for Chief Pearce to anticipate this and get ahead of the curve for his own sake IMO. [not "Pierce" as above -- apologies for the typo]
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 7:26 AM
Comments continued below -- Saturday morning.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 7:32 AM
I'd imagine that Wilson was tired of the extra work of attempting to get all on deck and operating by the code of ethics they agreed to when they took on their positions. It only takes one bad seed to germinate the bottom feeders and you wind up with weeds that can strangle you.
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 11:23 AM
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ou812
We missed all your comments! Welcome back from Atlanta!
By Jm225316 (17), Holbrook on Mar 18, 13 7:48 PM
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By Jm225316 (17), Holbrook on Mar 18, 13 7:49 PM
Every single one of our Southampton Town board members should resign immediately, as well as, the Town Attorney. We are paying these idiots and noone is watching the store. Hey Wilson, you should run for Supervisor!
By vaquero (12), Watermill on Mar 7, 13 10:29 PM
Amazing response by Nuzzi and Malone. "He didn't tell us" and "who cares". Idiots that need turning out. Any wonder heroin use is at an all time high on the East End?
By Dodger (106), Southampton Village on Mar 7, 13 10:41 PM
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I'm glad Wilson has spoken. It is tough to be bullied. Anyone on or involved in one of those tasks forces that didn't follow procedure are clearly going to answer to the DEA, NOW. Were there oversights worth it?...probably not. Tag it, bag it, & move on...
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 10:47 PM
Is Nuzzi actually claiming that he has never heard about any of this. Must be because he made it a habit of either storming out of meetings where Wilson was telling grusome tales that he didn't want to hear or when he was there he wasn't paying attention because he was perpetually texting, or whispering in Sundy's ear while pulling Anna's hair like a 6 year old bully. All so he could claim ignorance to the problems which ARE the STPD. If ignorance is bliss, Nuzzi lives in Nirvana.
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 13 10:51 PM
Ok so riddle me this..... The Lt in charge (Pearce) was promoted to Captain and then to Chief against Wilson's wishes....... Then Kiernans suspension is lifted by the town board and he returns to work.... So where is officer sickles? Is he back to work? In a Para-military organization like the police there is ALWAYS accountability by the supervisors, is southampton that much like OZ where that doesn't happen? What goes on there?!?
By mrobin (95), North Sea on Mar 7, 13 10:56 PM
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Wow...sorry, it's all I've got.
By Disgustedwithyou (35), Hampton Bays on Mar 7, 13 10:56 PM
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I sincerely hope that someone is paying serious attention to Wilson's allegations. I know I am one of many who are sick and tired of watching those in charge blatantly ignore their sworn duties in to further their own agendas. Our society is falling apart because the people whom we have entrusted to enforce the law are frequently the worst violators. In my opinions cops who break the law or look the other way are worse than common criminals. The same goes for the people in town hall who are ...more
By Arnold Timer (52), Sag Harbor on Mar 7, 13 10:59 PM
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It is also interesting that for the last several weeks the Southampton Press Police Arrests are predominantly robbies (small time stuff in and out usually good association to drug users) and capture of individuals with small amounts of "cocaine" and marijuana on their possession in addition to dui or dwi. Not possession with intent to sell. Treading water....
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 7, 13 11:01 PM
The STPD is restocking.
By vaquero (12), Watermill on Mar 7, 13 11:05 PM
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No one arrested for drug possession ever claims that they were carrying more than they are accused of having.
By Toma Noku (145), uptown on Mar 7, 13 11:44 PM
I think you missed my point. Why were they only accused of having such small amounts? You are indicating that it is obvious, that they have more. So they travel around with enough of a illegal substance to get them high for an hour? Or is it because they are on their way to get more? Would it be fair enough to state that some of these people didn't even know they had drugs on them? From your statement they have tons of backup at home or somewhere...pretty broad assumption.
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 8:52 AM
I don't think that that is what is being said.
By Toma Noku (145), uptown on Mar 8, 13 9:33 AM
It looks like 27east asked some questions and uncovered some bad things. Good work 27east and thank you for stepping forward Chief Wilson. Keep the light shining on this.

Chief Pearce was commanding officer of the Street Crimes Unit but had no knowledge or it didn't matter because "the unit was winding down"? Really, Chief Pearce... we should not look at you too? How much did you know or ignore?

"In a phone interview on Thursday, Chief Pearce confirmed that he held that position ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 12:13 AM
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Upon a fresh read, it is apparent that our town "leaders" kept us in the dark about the depth and severity of the dysfunction at the SHT PD for too long last year.

And that their secrecy was probably self-serving, to say the least.

Time to air ALL the dirty laundry, folks.

Time to LEAD as if your careers depend on it!

(Because they do . . . )
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 6:36 AM
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If there is such transparancy in government then I ask you this: what charges did Kiernan plead guilty to? Was not releasing that information part of the political back scratching agreement between Nuzzi, Sclara and Malone for Kiernan getting them into their board positions? Is all of this secrecy because they are trying to protect Kiernan's reputation so they can pop hom into a Captain's position, then eventually make him Chief when Pearce retires? If Pearce had knowledge of the wrongdoings (which ...more
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 7:08 AM
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Kudos to Wilson for coming forward...it just goes to show the taxpayers of Southampton,he truly was trying to better the department he was put in charge of by the Town Board. The Town Board failed the residents of Southampton and further failed the hard working men and women of the police department. Seriously, the Town Board appointed this man to Chief of Police and then fought him on everything and anything because they allowed themselves to be puppets to certain members of the department who ...more
By rjhdad (41), southampton on Mar 8, 13 7:15 AM
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The taxpayers deserve better from the current town board who has promoted those officers who engaged in questionable practices. Why? The public has little faith in the Southampton Police because the town has taken no steps to correct these issues. The good officers in the department are being maligned because of the political connections of the few bad officers. The Southampton Town elected officials should be ashamed of themselves!!!
By crusader (243), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 7:46 AM
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Wilson sounds like he wanted revenge on the Town so time to spill the dirt as retaliation. Go figure.
By SHTownHB (44), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 7:52 AM
What it sounds like is that Wilson was attempting to navigate the Board while fulfilling his professional (and ethical) responsibilities. It's TRUTH, not retaliation.
By Disgustedwithyou (35), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 8:28 AM
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Labeling Truth as "revenge" is a cheap shot at best.

Whistle blowers have to put up with lots of flack from people who may have hidden personal agendas to discredit the messenger.

Well-done Mr. Wilson, and reporters Reynolds and Wright.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 10:09 AM
PS -- Question authority, and then pay attention to who gripes the most.

There is usually a hidden message there.

What did CaptainSig say about the next Town Board election process? Be careful of which horse you hitch up to the wagon?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 10:11 AM
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It seems like Wilson by trying to do the right thing and tighten up, expected everyone on his team to live up to what they committed to and there's a mutiny.
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 8:41 AM
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ATH - Right & Wrong, Truth or Lies - these issues are not complicated as you state.
"“When we were deliberating on who to appoint chief after Chief [James] Overton retired, there were some of us who felt strongly about bringing in an agent for change, and I think we did that,” she said, referring to the April 2011 retirement of Chief Overton and subsequent Town Board selection of Chief Wilson, who took office in early May of that year. “The history between then and now has ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 11:15 AM
Time for REAL OUTSPOKEN LEADERSHIP from the Town Board!

Deceiving the public and soft-peddling the past year is NOT going to cut it.

LEAD!

Or step aside.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:24 AM
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If the PBA is the 800 pound gorilla here, now is the time to take the blinders off.

It is probably not a coincidence that Bill Jones is hosting a public forum on budget issues, tomorrow is it? 10 AM at Pierson HS?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 11:28 AM
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I would have to argue that in this case the Superior Officers Association (Anthony Tenaglia, Robert Pearce, James Kiernan, Michael Zarro, Michael Joyce... all who have been linked in this scandal) as well as the republican committeemen are the 800lb gorilla in the room.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 12:01 PM
Let us look at the timeline and see if it passes the smell test - Hint - it does if you are looking for something rancid!

5/5/11 "Board Appoints Wilson" 5/5/11 start date of 5/16/11

5/12/11 Police records are shredded for "housekeeping" by Capt Tenaglia. Ex-Chief James Overton & Ex-Town Supervisor Linda Kabot just happen to stop in and leave with files - 5/12/11
5/13/11 Capt Tenaglia orders "extremely sensitive records" that "represent every confidential personnel police investigation ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 11:58 AM
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It would be a great surprise if Wilson does not soon file a whistleblower protection claim against the town. Stay tuned.
By VOS (595), WHB on Mar 8, 13 12:12 PM
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OU812 - If these dates and quotes are correct, this is very disturbing. I hope the Press will look into this post and, if it is accurate, include a similar timeline an an article to refresh memories. The public depends on the Press to keep it informed, but people are busy and tend to forget what they have read and when they read it, or miss articles entirely. Timelines linking events are critical to helping readers understand issues.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 8, 13 12:39 PM
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All dates and quotes are from prior articles posted on 27east and researched from their archives. That is why I posted the Title and date published so anyone could verify - only thing added is my Rancid commentary
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 12:46 PM
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All dates and quotes are from prior articles posted on 27east and researched from their archives. That is why I posted the Title and date published so anyone could verify - only thing added is my Rancid commentary
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 12:47 PM
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Today I am very sad to see these comments from individuals from our Town.
IMO, the Police Dept. deserves better from the people. Some of the men
you have "bad mouthed" do not deserve your comments -- I question your motives! I am very tired of people
defaming our men and women out on the front lines! And, by the way,
remember all orders come from the Commander in Chief of the SH Town
Board!
By East Ender (64), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 12:41 PM
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No matter which way you stir this pot, there is enough crap around to smear everyone. There are no innocents here.
By Toma Noku (145), uptown on Mar 8, 13 1:13 PM
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Is it time to appoint a Special Prosecutor, or empanel a Special Grand Jury, and put everyone under oath?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 1:20 PM
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Sounds like its time for a few retirement incentives , call in suffolk county and put this to bed . Tell the town board that McDonald's is hiring and to go practice in front of a mirror " would you like fries with that shake " . Wilson tries to do the right thing by boosting the morale , then the cash stops. , the political bull starts , and then a planned vacation , and we lose him. He wins . Time for Anna to call Scpd and get a price !
By BCHBUM11968 (81), SOUTHAMPTON on Mar 8, 13 2:20 PM
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The behavior of the STPD is determined by the influence of special interest groups both inside and outside of the department. The PBA, the SOA, Town Board members and the Republican Party all have their oars in the water to enable their own selfish, parochial interests. Lost is any interest in professional policing.

With everyone in the Town who is supposed to police the police responsible for the current mess, it would be foolish to expect them to remedy it. It is time to clean the ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 3:59 PM
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Hey HHS, was waiting for you to weigh in. The stable need to be cleaned and sanitized - if they can't be then they should be burned down.
I am not naive enough to believe that there are not behind the scenes politics involving the unions. That said, I must say that when you scour the 27east archives you will find that the PBA has been asking for someone to look into the department going back to 2000. There may have been requests prior, but from what I can see there is a 13 year history the PBA ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 4:36 PM
Is this the same beneficent PBA which is driving the Town toward bankruptcy? Not sure if your trust is well-placed here.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:23 PM
I am not placing trust and financial negotiations are a completely different argument. All I am saying is the PBA seems to have been acknowledging that problems existed within the department for a long time and nobody listened.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 5:30 PM
So then walk over to the Suffolk DA or better yet the US attorney or the media.
By bayarea (38), hampton bays on Mar 8, 13 5:55 PM
Hmmm, it appears that the Suffolk DA is investigating, this is the media and what do I do at the US Attorney... bring in a stack of Southampton Press issues?

By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 6:01 PM
Read your tax bill, pal, you pay less for police than you do for Cablevision.
By Clarity (65), Whb on Mar 8, 13 10:05 PM
One may opt out of Cablevision. Dish, anyone?
By loading... (265), quiogue on Mar 13, 13 9:14 AM
Some more unseemly news involving Southampton Police and Quotes of the Week by our officials. This seemed to been lost in all the bigger news but is important to reveal the character of our township

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/455485/Town-Settles-Discrimination-Charges-With-Officer?message=posted
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 4:52 PM
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An embarrassing alignment of news this week, that's for sure!

Ships with no one at the helm usually founder on the rocks.

Say, did you hear the one about the ship lost at sea?

"Found her on the rocks!"

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:20 PM
When we get the tax bill for this we will need something on the rocks
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 5:50 PM
"Meanwhile, the offices were regularly accessed by civilian and custodial staff."

That statement that should be cause for concern. Unless, you read this article...
"Cops: Town Police Clerk Stole Cash From Coworker - posted 8/22/12

A clerk at Southampton Town Police headquarters in Hampton Bays was arrested at her workplace on Friday after police said she stole money from a colleague.
A fellow employee realized on Wednesday, August 15, that $150 was missing from her pocketbook ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 5:18 PM
Elizabeth Rush is now working in the Town attorney's Office! Wonder who she knows?
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 5:49 PM
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By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 6:40 PM
Was Chief Pearce in the same department or is it "always sunny in philadelphia"?
Chief WIlson's statements seem pretty specific about number of items found and confirmed to be drugs. Chief Pearce thinks it is some residue and Advil? Again come the "Best of my knowledge" incompetent or lying, you make the call.

"Former Police Chief William Wilson Jr., speaking for the first time since his retirement late last year, this week discussed his discovery, in early 2012, of the overall condition ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 5:48 PM
Do any of you people have anything better to do with yourselves? Go outside and take a walk for pete's sake...
By getalife (38), Southampton on Mar 8, 13 5:50 PM
I would but my wifi does not go far enough :(
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 5:57 PM
Not exactly the weather for it, but I like to frequently.

And I agree with OU812. That's why I have my handy Android...
By Mr. Z (6121), North Sea on Mar 8, 13 9:01 PM

This tangled web has brought disgrace to the men and women who served with pride and dignity through the tenure of three chiefs and even some of whom might have turned in their papers when Capt Red Carlson was at the helm.

Not for one moment did those eras represent Hawaii Five-O perfection... However, the news of the day was not be littered with the current staggering headlines day after day.

Five or six town supervisors, scores of counsel people, Republican,Democrats, ...more
By kahuna (32), Tampa on Mar 8, 13 6:37 PM
We are at the proverbial fork in the road. We can continue the same-o, same-o, be it maintaining the current STPD or turning to the equally expensive SCPD, or we can take the road of sanity and replace the STPD with a sworn, contract police force. The abysmal status quo cries out for this solution.

I urge Board members who take their safeguarding and fiduciary duties seriously to contact Academi and other private security contractors to see if they would be interested in bidding on a ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 6:48 PM
HHS - We are definitely at a fork in the road. All of this post seems to be a possible reality with the exception of "Board members who take their safeguarding and fiduciary duties seriously"

Their lack of respect for the positions they hold and the people (no guys, not your committeemen) they represent is unbelievable. The house needs to be swept out from Hampton Road to Hampton Bays.

***Note to Bill Wright, Marietta Seamen, Ed Walsh & Gordon Herr -
Get your dogs on a leash! ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 7:26 PM
HHS, What you propose is not legally attainable in New York State. Town Law, Village Law, General Municipal Law, Civil Service Regulations etc..All would bar what you describe. Even if the Town Board could get out of its own way and present such a plan, and it is a good one, they would be immediately thwarted by the State.
By Disgustedwithyou (35), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 7:00 PM
DWY,
HHS lives in his own special world. He doesnt bother with facts, except for those that he makes up on his own. He won't respond because he is only entitled to two posts a day, because he will not spring for a subscription. Yet he will complain about 27east's policies re: same.
His goal in life is to be Commissioner of a force of Nepalese Gendarmes wearing pith helmets, patrolling the streets of the Hamptons, working for minumum wage and living in tents in the woods. There will be ...more
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 8, 13 8:22 PM
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I must confess that I had to google "Nepalese Gendarmes". The uniform would be very stylish in the Hamptons!
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 8, 13 8:46 PM
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Listening to many of you, Chief Wison supporters that live in the Bridgehampton, Watermill and Noyac areas never knew the REAL THRUTH about those loud party houses. You should remember all those unanswered complaints you all had regarding noisy summer rentals. You all complained daily to our Town Police Department and were duped, Many of the Party Houses were provided security from, you guessed it, Wilson's Security Firm. Now you wonder why nothing was done, well ,it was hands off. I call that a ...more
By The Squirl (30), Red creek on Mar 8, 13 7:32 PM
Look at the town code regarding noise..... There's virtually nothing the police can do about them except go and repeatedly warn them. The town ethics board?? They are a joke, countless complaints have gone before them and have been found unfounded because they are Politically appointed, no different than Lt Kiernan, Lt Zarro and looking at next weeks town board agenda Sgt Kiernan. What's next Nuzzi for Police Chief?? Dirty Politics is ruining this town and the reputation of the good men and women ...more
By mrobin (95), North Sea on Mar 8, 13 8:05 PM
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to Disgustedwithyou:

I am aware of no statute, local or state, that would prevent the Town from contracting with a private firm for p.d. services. Governmental entities contract with private security services all the time and several states currently have large forces of private corrections officers guarding state prisoners. I don't see what the difference is between the states of California and Texas contracting for private security and the Town of Southampton so doing. (Not of course, ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 9, 13 12:23 AM
Sir, you are not aware of a lot of things...
By Clarity (65), Whb on Mar 13, 13 9:26 AM
"“I’m not going to butt heads with a political entity that has no history … of doing the right thing,” he said. “So I walked away, after 27 years of law enforcement, and a very brief 18 months with the town. That doesn’t mean I’m going to abdicate my responsibility as the chief of police.”

The bottom line is that the rot begins with those who control the Town Board. Just listen to their neanderthal comments. It's a small town local yokel Mafia ...more
By Obbservant (325), southampton on Mar 9, 13 1:59 AM
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Grand Jury.

Put 'em all under oath.

Dig deep.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 7:19 AM
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(Cont. from above)

A real mess!

The ball is firmly in the courts of the Town Board and Chief Pearce.

Let's see who starts telling the Truth this week, and who balks and complains about people looking for the Truth.

"By their actions ye shall know them."
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 7:35 AM
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I don't know why my above comment was remove. The town attorney should be held accountable as well.

How are the tax payers going to react when the 4th felon that was released from jail files his law suit against the town? I find it appalling that our town board members are quiet... nevertheless it was expected.

"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."
-Dante Alighieri
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 9, 13 9:52 AM
Well, looks what is back on the agenda... Did whatever scared them off from the promotion before disappear? As I said before, I do not want to condemn someone for the sins of their brother BUT based on the towns reactions to the last attempt to promote him I must say I am more than a little concerned that it might rotten apples from the same barrel.

"Resolution 2013-309
Category: Personnel
Sponsors: Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst
Department: Personnel
Promote Police Officer ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 9, 13 12:41 PM
You know this is his (Kiernan) way of taking over the police dept. Get his brother promoted to a supervisory position (so he can put him in charge of any department) and before you know it he'll move himself up to chief. You think the department is bad now just wait. This is a scary situation all around.
By lifesaver (93), speonk on Mar 10, 13 10:38 AM
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With most of the town board rarely at town hall except for meetings, what do we expect? Good government? Few voters know how little work they are getting from those they elected, and are paying. Town Hall has never been so dysfunctional, according to those who work there on a regular basis. We deserve better.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 9, 13 1:39 PM
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Will the Town Board deal with this rat's nest at tomorrow's meeting at 1 PM, when they consider Kiernan's promotion?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 7:21 AM
Here is the agenda. Resolution 2013-309 is on page 32 of 1. Thanks to OU812 for the heads up.

http://www.southamptontownny.gov/filestorage/72/837/839/tbmeetag.pdf
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 7:24 AM
PBR - It should be interesting. Chris Nuzzi, Lt. Kiernan and Chief Pearce are trying to see how thin the ice is since the revelations that William Kiernan lied about his home address on his application by saying he lived in Southampton Town to have the residency to get hired. Better yet, his brother, Lt Kiernan, falsely signed sworn affidavits for his brother's address. The quicksand is deep because of all the lies Lt. Kiernan got caught in and admitted to during the Street Crime investigation. ...more
By rightbesideu (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 11, 13 11:44 AM
What a tangled web we weave. Thanks for the details.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 12:58 PM
And you get your information concerning Bill Wright, Marietta Seaman, Ed Morris and John J. LaValle from where? Ouiji Board? Little Birdie? Fly on the Wall?

Surely not personal knowledge.

Would be interested in learning the source and integrity of what you portray as gospel fact.

Once you have explained that source you can explain your source of knowledge with regard to the District Attorney.

This stuff is just so fascinating, fiction is sometimes so much nicer ...more
By NTiger (271), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 2:36 PM
Hey Tiger,
Sometimes fiction is much nicer than fact. Believe me, don't believe me I really do not care. The fact of the matter is that all the people I mentioned know that it is the truth, they just trying to figure out how much is going to come out and how much proof there is. The flood gates are open and it is all coming out.
You won't need a Ouiji Board because you will be able to read about it everywhere.
By rightbesideu (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 11, 13 3:33 PM
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Don't pay any attention to Mr.Tiger, he gets his depends in a twist when people mention the names of his OTB and BOE cohorts. Typical worker bee response, deny- deny- deny. It must be fiction. We will see.
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 3:50 PM
Okay so you are making it up as you go along. Not a problem almost everyone else here does the same.

As for the truth of Chief Wilsons's we will all know if indictments result. Until then its anybody's guess

So keep making fictional accusations

As for Geppetto I am not defending or accusing anyone simply asking for facts to back up assertions. You not too big on facts either so.

You all have fun jerking yourselves sodas.

Grandma would have called you ...more
By NTiger (271), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 7:20 PM
Nice civilized tone there! What would Grandma say about your comment?

As suggested above, "Question authority, and then see who gripes the most?"
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 7:34 PM
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Actually Grandma would ask me why I let them off so easy. Grandma was a tough.

It not questioning authority, that is an important thing to do, especially considering those currently in authority. It is doing so with facts, not innuendo or opinion expressed as fact. It is all about credibility, and without facts there is little or no credibility.

It is the lack of facts in many, if not most, of the posts here that deprive those reading them any real opportunity to understand ...more
By NTiger (271), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 7:59 PM
Mr. Tiger,

I did take a shot at you and for one reason. You stated that I am not big on facts, which is false. You are using your name to discredit mine. If you could see past your nose and read some of my past posts, you would notice that I have never misrepresented any facts. In fact, I am the one that told you all, that there were more than 2 felons released by the DA's office. How I know this is my business. Maybe OU812 can create a timeline for you using 1920's vernacular (soda jerk). ...more
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 8:43 PM
I have reread your 42 posts and stand by my stated opinion.

Unlike my posts under my name you chose, as is your right, to use an alias, therefore it would be quite difficult for me to use my name to discredit yours. Geppetto was a fine puppet maker. Pinocchio, well, he might have had some trouble at times discerning fact from fiction.

Opinion is fine, and I probably share more in common opinionwise with you than disagree, but opinion is not fact and fact requires either documentation ...more
By NTiger (271), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 10:15 PM
As far as Grandma is concerned I took her to the prom. Wasn't much of a talker. And thats first hand fact.
By carson (78), southampton on Mar 11, 13 10:16 PM
your name is Tiger?
By CaptainSig (418), Dutch Harbor on Mar 12, 13 4:20 PM
Special Grand Jury.

Put 'em all under oath.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 11, 13 1:01 PM
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If any of those allegations are true then the grand jury should be from another jurisdiction. Just amazing...

It is simple people: work hard, don't lie and do what is right/proper for the residents that pay you (through taxes, not bribes - thought i should clarify that). That really is all we ask!
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 11, 13 1:22 PM
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Wondering....does Southampton Town have an Internal Affairs Bureau?
By AnonymousSgh (177), Sag Harbor on Mar 11, 13 9:58 PM
Oh yes! Chief Pearce has Lieutenant Kiernan in charge of internal affairs. GO FIGURE!!
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Mar 11, 13 10:24 PM
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Will new cracks appear in The Blue Wall of Silence today?

The Town Board is on the line.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 12:14 PM
under oath sounds like the best and quickest method to expose truths in both the PD and the town board. we taxpayers deserve at least this since our wellbeing on behalf of the police forse is in question. Do we feel really safe? Are our police covering crime or just answering calls for the seurity systems for mostly false alarms? I ccertainly would like to know if I called the police they would not bounce me off for an alarm at a probably weathly person's house. H
By xtiego (296), bridgehampton on Mar 12, 13 6:59 PM
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By xtiego (296), bridgehampton on Mar 12, 13 6:59 PM
Related article was updated today. The plot thickens. This link is also at the top of the page.

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/455663/Charges-Dropped-Against-Third-Felon-In-Wake-Of-Investigation-Of-Southampton-Town-Police-Officers?message=posted
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 12, 13 8:40 PM
look again
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 7:31 AM
"Meanwhile, Lt. Kiernan, documents show, pleaded guilty in October 2012 following a nearly six-month suspension to four disciplinary charges Chief Wilson had filed against him, the most egregious of which involved lying to Suffolk County Police Internal Affairs investigators regarding his supervision of the unit. He also admitted to not acting right away upon receiving a complaint that an officer in his unit was addicted to painkillers. Pleading guilty to the four satisfied 28 remaining disciplinary ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 9:49 AM
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Ok, so the search and photographs were done by Sgt Costa? The same one who the town board wouldn't promote to LT? Was that retribution for her doing her part of the investigation of the town boards "boy" Kiernan. I hope she wins her discrimination suit...... This is getting more interesting by the day and how shows how crooked and corrupt the town board and bosses at the police department are
By mrobin (95), North Sea on Mar 13, 13 10:16 AM
Now, I understand why the SOA keeps a criminal attorney, Ray Perini, on retainer.
Once again, our police should ever be conducting themselves in a manner that they need a criminal attorney, not to mention have one on retainer for the whole union.

"Ray Perini, who is also the lawyer for the Southampton Town Police Superior Officers Association, the union for department brass." - Hearing Begins For Lieutenant 10/4/12
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 11:25 AM
Start Packing !
By carson (78), southampton on Mar 13, 13 11:29 AM
The article was updated this morning, with new details and formatting.

Great reporting!

Well done.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 11:29 AM
To Supervisor Throne-Holst and the Town Board --

You must answer here, especially this from former Chief Wilson:

_____________________________________________

“You’re not covering this thing up, and you’re not making it go away,” he said, referring to the Town Board. “This is the very fundamental basis of the public’s trust in law enforcement. I spent too many years working to watch this kind of stuff go on. … This sounds crazy, ...more
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 11:37 AM
Sorry PBR, but if the press asks the question, yes they should answer. But to put forth the proposition that a blog/forum, filled with anonymous posters is a place where public officials HAVE to answer, is just wrong.
A follow up by the reporter, or a question posed at a Town Board meeting, is the appropriate place for a response.
Anything else would reesult in pure hysteria.
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 13 12:15 PM
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Yes of course that is what I had in mind.

Thank you for the clarification.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 12:30 PM
Yes, my use of the word "here" was off-base. I meant in this situation only, not in this forum.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 12:34 PM
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The article has been updated again to add details from Chief Pearce and Lt. Kiernan and questions about former Chief Wilson.

The plot thickens . . .
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 12:33 PM
sooooo......who provided those pictures...????? THAT should be investigated
By semaj (9), riverside on Mar 13, 13 1:22 PM
Great idea, let's make it the first priority to find the person who is telling the truth!

Wonder why more people do not come forward....
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 6:15 PM
Wow! I looked at the photos and it doesn't look like residue or anything I would want to put in my coffee.
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 13 1:35 PM
Note that the corruption involves recreational drugs. It's ALWAYS drugs. Cops spend most of their time arresting innocent motorists for drunk driving and arresting drug users to no purpose. This incessant, pro forma, feckless misperformance of their sworn obligation as public protectors is bound to erode their ethical foundation. So on the thousandth or two thousandth time that they make an unfair and pointless bust, they yield to the temptation to cross the line. It's an easy step.

Were ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 3:49 PM
No drunk driver is innocent. Dangerous, yes. Innocent - are you kidding? Drinking to excess is a deliberate and stupid choice. I am grateful for every drunk the police take off the road.
By goldenrod (505), southampton on Mar 13, 13 4:31 PM
I can now say I've seen the most asinine comment on these boards. Arresting innocent drunk drivers? If they are drunk driving, they are not innocent. Sometimes you make really well thought out, logical points, but at times when you are talking about drunk driving and drug users, boy do sound dumb.
By bubby (202), southampton on Mar 13, 13 6:36 PM
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Innocent drunk drivers?!? Can't wait to see what you think when you or your family die in a fatal DWI. You need to get off these boards and get a life!
By aschor06 (8), Sag Harbor on Mar 13, 13 10:59 PM
"arresting innocent motorists for drunk driving and arresting drug users to no purpose"
So police officers, by enforcing the laws of the State of New York, for which they are sworn to uphold, are criminals but the people that break the laws are "innocent" and "for no purpose"
Law abiding people= criminals.
Law breaking people = good guys.
I believe your logic hit a new low.
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Mar 13, 13 4:15 PM
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Where did those pictures come from? Looks like more than residue. Something stinks...
By icecreamman (178), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 4:39 PM
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Kiernan pleads guilty to charges, one of which is lying to internal affairs about his supervision, now he's the LT in charge of Patrol? Doesn't that involve supervision of sgts and patrolmen and woman, if that doesn't make u scratch your head I don't know what will. And his attorney is trying to get rid of that record..... The record of him pleading guilty to charges...... A police officer pleading guilty and he's trying to get rid of it, are you kidding me?!?! Chief Pearce and Kiernan are completely ...more
By mrobin (95), North Sea on Mar 13, 13 4:52 PM
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"A document obtained from a source this week revealed that Lt. Kiernan, following a nearly six-month suspension, had pleaded guilty in October 2012 to four disciplinary charges that then-Chief Wilson had filed against him—the most egregious of which involved lying to Suffolk County Police Internal Affairs investigators regarding his supervision of the unit. He also admitted to failing to act immediately upon receiving a complaint that an officer in his unit was addicted to painkillers and, ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 6:10 PM
Wow, this instills faith.

"Chief Pearce said that, to the best of his knowledge, there were no loose drugs."

"Lt. Kiernan on Monday said all the drugs and evidence were handled properly and did not present a public safety concern."

The pictures speak a thousand words!

"Lt. Kiernan, meanwhile, and his attorney, Ray Perini, attacked Mr. Wilson for conducting a “smear campaign” against the lieutenant."

Smear campaign? How is it a smear campaign ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 6:14 PM
Funny that some deleted comments from last years articles here are now fact and here in the news.
By G (195), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 6:24 PM
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"Despite Lt. Kiernan’s acceptance of the agreement settling his disciplinary charges, Mr. Perini is now seeking to have the Town Board expunge Lt. Kiernan’s record. He said he gave a “full presentation” to the board on the “absence of evidence.”"

Expunge the record because of the absence of evidence? If there was no evidence and Lt Kiernan was innocent then why plead guilty and give up "73 days of sick, personal and vacation time as a penalty."
"Approximately ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 7:56 PM
This forum has become biblical.
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 13, 13 8:48 PM
I think it is safe to say that some resignations are in order
Chief Pearce
Lieutenant Kiernan
Chris Nuzzi
Christine Scalera
James Malone - "I have 3 words for you - Chief Robert Pearce" Looks like you will regret those 3 words

More needs to be revealed about ATH & Flemming, but resignations may be in order there. The board is complicit in this and even if the majority ruled I do not find enough on the record of them trying to protect the public interests.

Clean ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 9:05 PM
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"The Street Crime Unit was headed by the current police chief, Robert Pearce, when he was a lieutenant,"

Chief Pearce, you were the supervisor. Did you ever go into that office? Just looking at those pictures I see no appearance of professionalism. Again, you are either lying or incompetent.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 13, 13 9:20 PM
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Pearce has full knowledge of what was going on. He supervised 2 people, Kiernan (SCU)& Costa (DET Div). The offices were next door to each other and he was in them everyday. Pearce has made a career out of culpable deniability. When it comes to being the boss, you are ultimately responsible. The end.
By rightbesideu (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 13 11:47 PM
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"Again, you are either lying or incompetent"

Equally damnable.
By dnice (1323), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 13 10:51 PM
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Hey NTiger, care to weigh in?
Pearce is playing the poor me patsy while Kiernan is looking to say Pearce was in the loop the whole time. The town board is wondering why they believed Kiernan and Pearce and did not do their own homework. Each of the board members have been "invited" to Hauppauge to have a "talk" with McPartland & Spota (ie: public corruption) for a WTF chat.
Spota knows that some people in Islip just joined the party... as people are starting to save themselves you may ...more
By rightbesideu (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 13, 13 11:34 PM
to goldenrod, bubby, aschor06 & Spinny OHO:

Most motorists arrested for DWI have not been driving drunk (i.e. in an irrational and uncoordinated manner.) They simply have .08% alcohol in their bloodstream. The breathalyzer law was passed, not because motorists with .08% are drunk, but because it was too difficult to convict anybody of drunk driving without it. So the legislators made an .08% reading synonymous with drunk driving by fiat, even though it isn't. The vast majority of DWI ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 14, 13 12:18 AM
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I do have to agree with HHS to a certain extent. There is a significant body of research that indicates a breath test can be anywhere from 15 to 40% inaccurate. Manufacturers even dictate that there is a margin of error with the technology, and the partition ratio because rarely are two sets of lungs and alveoli which are the same. The technology uses an assumed average molecular ratio and applies it to everyone unilaterally. Truth be told, ketones in a diabetic's blood, or acetone in a dieter's ...more
By Mr. Z (6121), North Sea on Mar 14, 13 5:11 AM
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HHS,
It is not necessarily the cover up of drugs or even an addiction issue that warrants our inspection, but it is the fact that the public can not trust those running the police department. How can we have "faith" in our police, if they are capable of manipulating anything outside the facts? Those involved need to be held accountable for their actions. Rogue supervision in the police department only does one thing, it takes away our ability to have justice for all.
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 8:48 AM
Exactly -- trust is key here.

Also, one would think that this entire situation is very demoralizing for the good, decent, and well-intentioned law enforcement officers everywhere.

Hopefully they will cross the Blue Line of Silence to police their own.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 9:12 AM
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By Clarity (65), Whb on Mar 14, 13 9:30 AM
Acetone, varnishes, and body temperature do affect BAC results but the person would be dead or hospitalized long before they reached a level high enough to give a false reading.
Try a search for "The Likelihood of Acetone Interference
in Breath Alcohol Measurement" and read the NHTSB report.
A person would need a body temperature of about 110 for a significant reading. most people are bed ridden at 102, not driving a car.
Also mouth alcohol would register as an incredibly high BAC ...more
By Spinny OHO (65), Speonk on Mar 14, 13 10:56 AM
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Mr Z.
Almost everything you said is overcome by a waiting period of about 15 minutes between ingesting a substance, and partaking in a breathalyzer. Even given that, a "couple of tap beers"will not render a person impaired. I wont take your time to dispute each part, as that is the duty of a defense attorney, not the cop on the street.
HHS, would have us think tht a DWI is not a DWI unless he or SHE, is puking, falling down and incoherent. Afew too many result in a mild "buzz" and a slight ...more
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 14, 13 12:10 PM
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to But I'm a blank!:

What is simple is the reason for the breathalyzer test. It is a grossly unconstitutional law instituted to assure convictions for DWI. The old standard, relying on manifest uncoordination and irrationality, was too difficult to prove. Setting a finite number gave jurors a "drunk test" that, as the test-taking beneficiaries of a public education, they could readily understand.

Except that most of those who are drunk under the new standard aren't drunk under ...more
By highhatsize (2077), East Quogue on Mar 14, 13 12:47 PM
So take your JD, represent a client pro bono to make your bones, and take it to the Supreme Court to have them prove you right. Simple.
Just have to wonder why no other attorney has considered this.
I mean, I know they are in the pocket of cops , providing job security for both, but there has to be a Don Quixote there somewhere.
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 14, 13 12:57 PM
So, is this the not "almost" part?

"I do have to agree with HHS to a certain extent. There is a significant body of research that indicates a breath test can be anywhere from 15 to 40% inaccurate. Manufacturers even dictate that there is a margin of error with the technology, and the partition ratio because rarely are two sets of lungs and alveoli which are the same. The technology uses an assumed average molecular ratio and applies it to everyone unilaterally. Truth be told, ketones in ...more
Mar 14, 13 4:50 PM appended by Mr. Z
BTW BIAB, it took about 50 years, and Timothy Leary to have the "Marihuana Tax Stamp Act" declared unconstitutional. Just to add some perspective...
By Mr. Z (6121), North Sea on Mar 14, 13 4:50 PM
The point being Mr Z, that if what HHS claims, and what you elaborated to, have validity, the issue would have gone up the court ladder for a decision. Hasn't happened as the claims are not valid.
There are scant few constitutional rights attached to driving a car, which is a priveledge, not a right.
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 15, 13 9:37 AM
Well, I was a bit off on the years the tax stamp act on cannabis was in effect, it was passed in 1937 and repealed in 1969 (32 years) because it was declared unconstitutional. It was deemed that it violated the Fifth Amendment.

Just because it's the law, doesn't automatically make it valid, moral, or constitutional. Sometimes it take years, even decades to overcome societal convention, and often just the right person to doi it only comes along once in a generation.

Mar 15, 13 8:51 PM appended by Mr. Z
AND, the things I alluded to have been instrumental in multitudes of trials in which the charges were dismissed. You should know by now I do my research.
By Mr. Z (6121), North Sea on Mar 15, 13 8:51 PM
Time for the Town Board to put their mouths where their mouths are. Silence is not golden.

Throne-Holst: " . . . we continue to work toward change . . . "
Nuzzi: " . . . we’ll treat all of this seriously . . . "
Malone: " . . . I’ve got three words for you: Chief Robert Pearce."

We are listening.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 8:44 AM
Geppetto's point about trust and faith applies to the Town Board as well.

Show us that you deserve our faith and trust. You work for us, or have you forgotten that?

Speak TRUTH, and the whole truth, so help you God.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 14, 13 9:14 AM
Top 10 quotes that don't instill faith in our officials

10. "Captain Tenaglia said. “There’s nothing to hide. There’s nothing going on. Southampton Town is a good police department. It’s an honest police department. It was then and it is now.” - No Records Missing, Tenaglia Says 5/17/12
Hmmm, something about hindsight being 20/20 but it seemed to be pretty clear then too

9. Southampton Town Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst said this week, an intermediary ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 14, 13 11:03 AM
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It appears that Mr Wilson is going to make an excellent witness for the plaintiff when all these released drug addicts sue the town. Thanks Bill !!
By CaptainSig (418), Dutch Harbor on Mar 14, 13 2:30 PM
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Wow Sig, that is an interesting way to look at it. Try thanking LT Kiernan for getting the addicted cop a chauffeur instead of sending him to rehab. Thank Lt Pearce for helping him cover it up and Thank Nuzzi, Scalera & Malone for continuing the saga by protecting their committeeman instead of fixing the problems of corruption.

The way you are looking at it a violent husband should sue a wife because her face broke his hand.

By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 14, 13 5:42 PM
Mr Wilson is not a victim here. He brought his concerns to the town board, and is now mad that the issue was not resolved to his liking. Whether you agree with him or not is not my point. What I am saying is that he should not be making statements to the public about how any officer could pick up drugs and drop them in a motorists car and say "oh look a crack pipe".

This opens the door for every defense attorney defending EVERY person arrested for EVERY drug offense made by ANY police ...more
By CaptainSig (418), Dutch Harbor on Mar 15, 13 4:53 PM
There is an opinion column in this week's Press [p. A9] on the subject by Phil Keith, whose email address prompts a question whether he is related to CaptainSig IMO?
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 5:34 PM
Sig,
I would argue the contrary. The defense attorneys making these claims is what made the procedures necessary. Organizations, public or private, usually do not put procedures or policies in place until they have to. They do so in order to avoid liability and the liability usually comes out of case law.
Just remember that Nassau County's lab was shuttered for poor evidence handling procedures, criminals were released and charges on others were dropped.
The lawsuits are going to be ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 15, 13 6:24 PM
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Good call PBR. Mr. Keith serves at the liberty of Southampton Town's Planning Board, so in essense, he would definatley have a horse in this race. That article was horrible by the way.
By Geppetto (59), Southampton on Mar 15, 13 9:09 PM
To clarify -- no quibble with anonymity here, but it seems fair to ask whether a columnist for the Press is posting here under another screen name.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 2:57 AM
WHOA!!! I have no idea who Mr Keith is and I have not seen his article- I rarely buy the actual paper- The only horse I have in this race is as a taxpayer and town resident.

OU812- again you miss my point. I'm certainly not defending the police dept sloppy procedures- however Mr Wilson states that he DID address the problem and took corrective action in Jan 2012, over a year ago. THAT is when I would expect public disclosure. Him spouting to the press now reeks of spite- he has gone ...more
By CaptainSig (418), Dutch Harbor on Mar 16, 13 7:31 AM
Thanks for the clarification CaptainSig. When you read his column, perhaps the similarity of his language to yours above will help. And apologies to Mr. Keith.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 16, 13 7:56 AM
Well I read the article and yes there is some similarity of opinion; however the comparison ends there. Mr Keith is a published author and college professor- and I assure you I am neither of those. As to the e-mail-- RIP Capt Phil Harris FV Cornelia Marie
By CaptainSig (418), Dutch Harbor on Mar 17, 13 6:29 AM
Geppetto,
Mr Kieth serves in what position "at the liberty of Southampton Planning Board?" When did the planning Board start making appointments?
By But I'm a blank! (793), Hampton Bays on Mar 17, 13 7:52 AM
Is a federal special prosecutor or grand jury the way to clean up this Augean Stable (including gender discrimination recently alleged)?

Rome is burning?

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle!
By Nero (164), Sag Harbor on Mar 16, 13 11:39 AM
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Southampton is micro compared to the entire drug issue on the East End of Long Island. If our police force is defending convicts and not using protocol re: logging of evidence how would anyone who is trying to stick to protocol perform in their position and how would anyone in management do their job when they are too busy babysitting. There is always that excuse that when under cover they have to get in with the people they are after...HELLO maybe in Manhattan in Southampton the bad guys already ...more
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 8:33 PM
Doesn't take too much VICE to understand that we have a real crime situation on our hands and the BAD seeds in the force are linked to the "dealers". If no one sees this as the biggest issue in all of this we will wind up like Patchogue or West Islip. As of 2010 the government studies show that Suffolk County overall has the highest rate rate of Drug Deaths and Drug Suicides in counties in NY & NJ & PA
surveyed by SAMSHA.org anyone reading this can look the info up themselves. Wilson did the ...more
By Kat (9), Southampton on Mar 17, 13 9:20 PM
It has been 11 days since the original article and 5 days since the update when our officials were caught in lies/denials.

I am with PBR - Chief Pearce and the Town Board should be speaking up and addressing these issues. Are they are not speaking because they can not answer the questions honestly without incriminating themselves?

The only way to regain the publics trust is for an outside agency to step in and the facts must be publicly aired - anything short of that and you are ...more
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 18, 13 10:44 AM
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We missed your comments, welcome back from Atlanta!
By Jm225316 (17), Holbrook on Mar 19, 13 9:42 AM
This is very disheartening on all fronts. Not only is this a sloppy display of police work but Mr Wilson's approach to 'helping' is even more concerning. This smear campaign was not necessary to completely destroy the departments reputation. I hope you're happy if that was your intention Mr. Wilson.
By Hillsnbells (17), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 12:35 PM
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Jay Schneiderman's decision to seek re-election may affect the SH Town Board race, as Nuzzi and Malone may have been eying his county legislature seat IMO.

Malone is quoted elsewhere as saying he is undecided right now about whether to seek reelction. He might consider "getting out while the gettin' is good" IMO.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 12:45 PM
Meanwhile back in Dodge City, the pathetic lack of trust and transparency continues to befuddle and confuse.

Coincidentally, today marks the 37th week since Sister Walsh was mowed down and left to die on the side of the road. The authorities still have not justified the 11-day delay in releasing the name and photo of the driver.

More great communication from those we pay to protect us (including the entire SH Town Board).
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 12:53 PM
http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/General-Interest-Southampton/452259/Brother-Of-Fugitive-In-Hit-And-Run-Case-Sentenced-To-Time-Served-And-Released
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 18, 13 12:54 PM
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By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 19, 13 8:11 AM
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By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 19, 13 8:12 AM
So..as stated by the Press Bean Counter.. Some 180 comments, observations, and point-counter point discussions on this heated topic.
Up front...I am a card carrying flag waver for the STPD!!!!
However not without concern for those who might have, in some or any way have shamed this Dept .
Whether those wear a uniform, suit, tie, or skirt.. Should be held accountable.

But sadly, it appears that only 180 comments reflect this concern ( with 80. Of those being authored by OU812 ...more
By kahuna (32), Tampa on Mar 19, 13 3:10 PM
Hopefully you are correct that those responsible for shaming the PD department will be held accountable.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 19, 13 3:35 PM
I agree that those responsible should be held accountable, no more no less.
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 19, 13 8:50 PM
OU812
We missed your comments welcome back from Atlanta!
By Jm225316 (17), Holbrook on Mar 19, 13 9:58 PM
Hey JM, glad I have a fan but why would I have gone to Atlanta?
By OU812 (160), East Quogue on Mar 19, 13 10:12 PM
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By rightbesideu (9), Hampton Bays on Mar 21, 13 11:41 AM
New article out -- the plot thickens . . .
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 20, 13 3:22 PM
Another new article out re: Mr. Sickles. Link is above.
By PBR (4364), Southampton on Mar 21, 13 7:00 PM
You obviously have all the information pertinent to this case including case evidentiary testimony. I love all you twitter and social media attorneys who condemn on the basis of the crap written here.
There is a good reason there are so many redundant fail safes in our constitutional protections.
By Jm225316 (17), Holbrook on Mar 23, 13 4:13 PM
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