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Jan 18, 2017 8:49 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Tuckahoe Center Public Hearing In Front Of Town Board Set For Tuesday

Jan 18, 2017 10:20 AM

Southampton Town Board members will hold a public hearing next week on a change of zone application that, if approved, would allow the construction of a new shopping center along County Road 39 in Tuckahoe.

The hearing on the proposed Tuckahoe Center is scheduled to begin at 6 p.m. on Tuesday, January 24, at Town Hall and expected to draw a large crowd. The meeting comes less than two months after the Suffolk County Planning Commission reversed course and endorsed the proposed change of zone, meaning that only a simple majority of the Town Board is required to approve the plans filed by developer Robert Morrow.

Previously, Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman said the board would not be voting on the application at Tuesday’s hearing even though it is allowed to do so.

The application seeks to alter the zoning on three adjoining properties, totaling 7.26 acres and situated along the southeastern side of County Road 39, from highway business to shopping center business zoning. The change is needed to permit the proposed construction of a 38,000-square-foot supermarket and an additional 14,500 square feet of commercial space in three additional buildings on the property.

It is unclear which Town Board members support the project, as they have not yet discussed the center as a group, according to Mr. Schneiderman. When pressed, he said he still has not made up his mind.

“I don’t like to go into a public hearing with my mind made up; otherwise there’s really no point in having a public hearing,” he said. “I remain open to hearing what the public has to say and I’ll take those comments and do some additional research and, ultimately, render a decision from my perspective on whether it’s worthy of a zone change.”

Town Councilwoman Christine Scalera, who stated she was opposed to the supermarket plans when she ran for reelection in 2015, said this week that she still has concerns about the proposal—issues that, she says, have not been thoroughly addressed by the applicant.

“Nothing has changed my position so far,” Ms. Scalera said. “I was not supportive of it at the time and I have not seen anything that has belayed my concerns at this point. As always I remain deliberative, so I will listen to the public and we’ll take it from there.”

The application recently gained the approval of the Suffolk County Planning Commission, which voted in favor of the zoning change 9-6 in spite of a plea to reject the application from Barbara Roberts, a longtime Sag Harbor resident who immediately resigned from the commission after last month’s vote. A rejection by the commission would have required that four out of the five Town Board members, known as a supermajority, approve Mr. Morrow’s application.

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Let's get this approved already. It has been demonstrated over and over, via independent traffic studies, market analysis by Town-hired consultants, the Suffolk County Planning Commission, the head of the county's Public Works dept, Town planners, and many, many working family residents who have spoke in support or who have written to the Town that this grocery-focused center is a good move for the community. Rather than let another car dealership or chain restaurant be built there, let's get something ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 18, 17 12:10 PM
Mayor Rickenback is this you ?
Darn you are 1st agsin on this story .. how do you always know ?
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 18, 17 1:52 PM
This needs to be fought tooth and nail. No way is this needed. The traffic implications are horrendous, and once the toothpaste is out of the tube from a development standpoint, you will have another Route 58 which will destroy downtown Southampton and put every Mom and Pop out of business. You can then say goodbye to the geese that lay the golden eggs, the charm of our villages which has been the hallmark of what brings tourists and supports the local economy. A resounding NO to Tuckahoe. ...more
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 18, 17 2:01 PM
For all that fluffy nonsense, you actually didn't say anything more than you don't want this project to be approved. Aisle 3 is where the toothpaste is going to be and I'll see you there. Eggs down at the end of aisle 1 in the dairy case. Don't slow me down with your coupons.
By even flow (811), East Hampton on Jan 18, 17 2:16 PM
So, you're going to travel from East Hampton to Southampton for groceries? East Hampton Stop & Shop, IGA, and Citarella or Bridgehampton King Kullen along your way to Southampton don't meet your needs?
The destruction of local character, small businesses, economy and the exacerbation of an already serious quality of life issue vis-a-vis traffic is "fluff" to you? Raises a question: when exactly were you installed as a member of Mensa?
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 18, 17 3:00 PM
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Even flow, what's your beef with coupons?
By SH_Res (342), Southampton on Jan 18, 17 4:09 PM
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The problem with your response is that you read East Hampton and presumed it's true. Your entire premise is flawed due to lack of critical thinking. Now if you apply that to current events and what you read in the media, you will be on your way to healing. Don't allow yourself to be tricked so easily, if you can help it
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jan 19, 17 6:41 AM
Received a curious thing in the mail a couple of weeks ago. A mass-mailed letter in support of the Tuckahoe Center from a woman named Jennica Velasquez, with a petition to the Town board attached which Jennica fervently advised me to sign. Strange thing was that this letter was sent under a bulk mail permit (to "postal patron") from a commercial address - 67 Mariner Drive. Turns out that 67 Mariner Drive, by way of quick Google search, is the address of a business owned by none other than Lance ...more
By lineside (4), southampton on Jan 18, 17 4:59 PM
And apparently she sent the exact same letter when this proposal was up for discussion two years ago.
By Dafsgirl (63), Southampton on Jan 18, 17 5:31 PM
Hi! its Jennica - Sorry I did not respond earlier- Not sure your identity, but if you had attended the Suffolk County Planning Commission Hearings in October and December I fully disclosed who I am each time I testified, it is in the record, but this is not about me. after the Suffolk County Planning Commission agreed with their staff recommendations and voted in support, I voluntarily reached out to Southampton Venture and offered to reach out out to the community on a grassroots level hoping ...more
By JennicaNill (4), on Jan 23, 17 8:58 PM
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That's all good but you did not make the same disclosure in the letter you sent out (under a different name than your posting here), and as you certainly know, not everyone in the community attended the meetings you refer to and therefore were not aware of your identity and connection to the project.

P.S. for the record I have no involvement with the project or with any group advocating on either side of the issue - I'm just speaking my own mind.




By lineside (4), southampton on Jan 25, 17 9:06 AM
This is about to be approved and rightly so. There hasn't been a single study that reflects added traffic because of a small and much needed grocery store. You can't claim to be a proponent of ''smart development'' while allowing gross over-development without an increase in consumer goods and services. Build it and they will come.
By SlimeAlive (1180), Southampton on Jan 19, 17 8:16 AM
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Ya think maybe we can at least fight for a BEST YET? Or WHOLE FOODS? Does it HAVE to be King Kullen?
By foodwhiner (140), Southampton on Jan 19, 17 9:08 AM
Put this unneeded mega mall in and kiss your local Mom and Pop stores goodbye, along with Southampton village itself. Goodbye to what's left of a community. And G-d save us from a rip-off like Whole Foods ANYWHERE. And G-d save us from more backed-up traffic and accidents on 39. NO TO TUCKAHOE.
By June Bug (2420), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 19, 17 8:36 PM
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Let's hope our Town Board members vote this monstrosity of a project down. Build as of right or not at all.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 19, 17 11:34 AM
That's just nonsense. By that logic, you would be against the hospital moving to the college, since it isn't zoned for a hospital. This is a great project for the community, one that is a long time coming. It's about time the politics are taken out of the equation, and the board sees that for the future of the Town, good projects like this get done.
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 19, 17 4:48 PM
Really RickenBach what is your beef with this place?
"
This is a great project for the community, one that is a long time coming." Gross.
It's about time the politics are taken out of the equation" .. c'mon man; if i stop laffing ill start vomiting.
Is the VoSH really that far to get to? KK in HBays too far ?? Its basically the most beautiful drive in the world.
Paradise just too overdeveloped , too painful to watch, how do you deal with it ... unless you're a politician ...more
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 19, 17 8:21 PM
You observations are silly, to say the least. As you well know, the village has exactly one full service supermarket (there were 4 as late as the 1980's). In that same timespan, the population growth outside the village has grown significantly (in fact, just use the "village" fire department members, the vast majority of which used to live inside the village but today mostly live outside it). Many, many working families that grew up out here or moved out here live outside of the village boundary, ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 20, 17 9:10 AM
Ill counter your last comment with : "you must be spoiled" .. lucky you because i love that stretch of old montauk hwy from VoSH to HBays in particular. . Love the pines, the winding rolling hills, ) and the many exposures to water.
.. what in gods name ruins it for you ??
the openness or the development?
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Same for the drive to Riverhead. But i guess the convenience is far more important than the drive.
..
Why is it silly to ask if you are the mayor of EH? Rickenbach ...more
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 20, 17 1:44 PM
I don't think it's been demonstrated that another supermarket is needed in the area, but even if there were such a need, it doesn't follow that the market should be located at the proposed Tuckahoe Center site on County Road 39.

Despite the repeated claims that "independent" experts say a supermarket will have no adverse effect on traffic, my eyes and my common sense tell me otherwise. County Road 39 is already nearly strangled by congestion, especially at rush hours, How could a new ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1933), Quiogue on Jan 20, 17 9:09 PM
Ha! Rob Florio .. he's been buddies with this for years... this is the 27east article from 2010... i coulnt copy it as a link
But here is th copy:
Tuckahoe developer makes private pitch to small groups
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Aug 11, 2010 11:41 AM
By Michael Wright
In an effort to provide residents of Tuckahoe with information about a proposed grocery store and retail complex proposed off County Road 39, and to do so in a less charged atmosphere than has been found ...more
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 20, 17 10:20 PM
Turkey Bridge, you are way out on a limb here. The need actually has been demonstrated in the market report in the FEIS. On top of that, the Town hired the Cashin firm to look over the FEIS and give their independent opinion, which also came down on the quantified and demonstrable need for a supermarket in this market area. Both reports are publicly available. You may not think it, but the analysts, and many local residents in the market area disagree with you.

To your issue with the project’s ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 20, 17 10:20 PM
Note please, how promptly and how fully Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker replies to my post. Clearly this is a man with a job or a financial interest in the project, or both. Either that, or he really needs to get a life.

Anyway, where to start? Let's start as Mr. F/R does, with the alleged need for another supermarket. I acknowledged above that a market might be needed, but maintained that CR 39 just isn't the place for it. As I think about the need question, though, I'm reminded of our situation ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1933), Quiogue on Jan 21, 17 11:01 AM
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Ok, then, by your even longer response Turkey Bridge, does that mean YOU have a financial interest or are looking for a job? Really, the hypocrisy in your comment is laid bare.

Yes, I'd love to comment on your observations, unbelievable as they are. So, let's start with your concept of putting a supermarket where the future "old" hospital is, right on Meeting House Lane. Are you aware that land value there approaches $4 million an acre? That land would also need a serious zone change as ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 21, 17 5:32 PM
First:Its not needed. We have plenty of capacity with Stop N Shop in SHV, as well as Schmidts, CItarellas and many wonderful farm stands as well as KK that is easily reachable.
Second: Gristidies and IGA in SHV both folded. Demand??
Third: To head west from the Sandy Hollow light and try to , get left, to another light to get there is a huge issue.

Lets be perfectly clear. The Change of Zone is based on Money not need. If the developers could make as much on there 4 parcels, this ...more
By North Sea Citizen (528), North Sea on Jan 21, 17 4:39 PM
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And if Rickenbacker is agent. .. wow, you very much have a stake in this ...
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 21, 17 6:44 PM
this overdevelopment is not needed. Hope all of the Town Board is listening closely, VERY closely. Approving this change of zoning will be detrimental to your political future in this Town. The handful in favor seem to be relatively new residents who moved here in spite of the alleged dearth of "convenient" UTI style supermarkets. Hmmmm, how could that possibly be?
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 21, 17 8:29 PM
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Mr. Florio/Rickenbacker, I have no financial interest or job prospect here; maybe I just need to get a life. Or maybe, as I wrote above, I'm taking the broad view, thinking about the whole town and its future, versus the narrow view of those like you who are promoting a single project.

This leads to your semi-clever attempt to distort my characterization of your comments. Contrary to what you say, I'm not "pigeonholing" you as focusing on this one topic of Tuckahoe Center. I never suggested ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1933), Quiogue on Jan 22, 17 11:43 AM
Very few from away REALLY understand this place as evidenced here.
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 22, 17 12:01 PM
Just for the record, I've posted a "Like" under the last two comments by my friend bigfresh. The one immediately above is solid and true, but it's his prior post, the one about Town Board members looking to their electoral future, that really captures my attention and my complete agreement. One might indeed give the same caution in reference to the PDD application for The Hills in East Quogue. I say no more.
By Turkey Bridge (1933), Quiogue on Jan 22, 17 8:00 PM
Turkey Bridge, the Tuckahoe Center project didn't just come to my attention yesterday. I've been following this, as you likely know, since 2010, and even before that, when King Kullen began purchasing property years before for the possibility of what is now proposed. In all that time, I have, as have many others, studied what legitimate alternatives were out there to build a supermarket outside of the village center. The village is no longer where the majority living in the market area year round ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 23, 17 1:49 PM
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https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B89AVRcc6XoicTFCb01NMkJVZXM
By JennicaNill (4), on Jan 23, 17 9:15 PM
As stated many times Magee is a disaster traffic wise already, adding all the shopping center traffic will guarantee gridlock, add in changing the timing of the light at the intersection and 39 gets slammed. All this for a large scale development that is not needed. People moved here with the existing food shopping options right?
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 23, 17 9:45 PM
You continue to make assertions that are not based on any quantifiable facts. I think you assume the roadway will not be improved in that area, but it will be, significantly so. Shopping at grocery stores is not black Friday everyday, so your portends of doom are just not rational. Car will come, cars will go, as they do at grocery stores. People moved here thinking that their local municipality would scale infrastructure to the needs of the community, and I would expect that they are increasingly ...more
By Rickenbacker (254), Southampton on Jan 24, 17 10:56 AM
The funny thing here is, all of the opponents screaming that this is THE WORST place for a retail development. The only reason you have a say in this property's future is there isn't a zone that allows grocery stores in the town.

On the corner of 27/39/Flying Point road, the most congested corner on the East End, Farrell Building Corp is putting in 2 buildings totaling 19,000sf. The larger of the 2, 15,000sf, is going to be a (fill in the blank). Too big for a TGI Friday's... But the 4000 ...more
By Draggerman (883), Southampton on Jan 24, 17 6:34 AM
Very good point.
By foodwhiner (140), Southampton on Jan 24, 17 11:55 AM
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Mr Florio , what you seem to be missing is that 39 is at max capacity and is bumper to bumper twice a day , changing the light timing at Magee will cause major backups. Remember the " pilot program " when they turned the light at the college to a flashing Yellow in attempt to keep traffic flowing?! Have you seen the southbound traffic jams by the Tuckahoe school in the late afternoon? Backed up passed the stop sign on occasion. The proposed site is just wrong, especially for a project of this size ...more
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 24, 17 12:50 PM
NIMBY much Bigfresh?
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on Jan 24, 17 10:59 PM
The East End has been overdeveloped and exploited as it stands.

Enough is enough.
By Mr. Z (11107), North Sea on Jan 24, 17 11:04 PM
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dnice pls name the nimby for me ;
is it the developer who lives in the village, across town, another town or in other parts of the island or in Arizona. .??
..is it City builders who vacation in montauk and build in WH and all over longbisland.. is it lance nill? Is it the plethora of Cutely named development corporations? From Arizona for example ..?
.NIMBY is now irrelevant.
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 24, 17 11:14 PM
How did the meeting go? out of town and unable to attendh
By bigfresh (4237), north sea on Jan 25, 17 1:14 AM
Report calls 1/3 of the pro-dev, mega mini mall supporters were 'from afar' .. so i got my answer dnice. Its the developer who is the nimby.
By dave h (193), calverton on Jan 25, 17 8:33 PM