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Jul 14, 2017 12:40 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Havemeyer Files Petition, Will Challenge Schneiderman For Democratic Line In September Race

Fred Havemeyer will be challenging incumbent Jay Schneiderman in the democratic primary for Southampton Town supervisor.
Jul 19, 2017 12:09 PM

Former Southampton Town Trustee Frederick Havemeyer is officially on the September ballot, where he will challenge incumbent Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman for the Democratic Party line in the November general election.

Officials with the Suffolk County Board of Elections confirmed on Friday morning that both Mr. Havemeyer and Mr. Schneiderman filed petitions with at least 550 signatures prior to the July 13 deadline. They had to secure at least 500 signatures from registered Democrats to get on the ballot.

The Democratic Party primary election is set for Tuesday, September 12.

Mr. Havemeyer, 76, lives in Bridgehampton and is a lifelong Southampton Town resident. The former Republican and Town Trustee thew his hat in the ring in June after being recruited by the Long Island Environmental Voters Forum, a nonprofit political organization based in Riverhead that supports pro-environmental candidates. The group pushed for Mr. Havemeyer to run mostly because of his promise to vote down a proposed luxury golf course resort community targeting nearly 600 acres in East Quogue called “The Hills at Southampton.” The application is seeking for 117 residential units and an 18-hole golf course to be built along Spinney Road in East Quogue.

Mr. Schneiderman, an Independence Party member who was cross-endorsed by Southampton Town Democrats when he made his first bid for supervisor in 2015, announced that he intends to seek reelection earlier this year. To date, Mr. Schneiderman has declined to outright reject the East Quogue application, a proposed planned development district that requires Town Board approval, explaining that he and his fellow board members are still reviewing the proposal submitted by Discovery Land Company of Arizona.

The winner of the September primary election will secure the Democratic Party line in the November general election. If Mr. Schneiderman loses the line, he would have to seek reelection on the Independence Party line.

Southampton Town Republicans, meanwhile, previously tapped Ray Overton, 57, a former Town Trustee from Westhampton, as its supervisor candidate in the November general election.

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Fred for Supervisor!
By Nature (2948), Southampton on Jul 14, 17 2:53 PM
Go Fred!!!
By bigfresh (2754), north sea on Jul 14, 17 3:04 PM
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Run Fred, run!




By Frank Wheeler (1690), Northampton on Jul 14, 17 3:10 PM
Don't know Fred but do know Jay. GO Fred. Time for a change.
By razza5350 (1846), East Hampton on Jul 14, 17 8:34 PM
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And what will Fred's supporters, including my friends posting above, say when The Hills' application is denied by the Town Board before the primary election even takes place? Somebody didn't think this through. If you're going to run a one-issue campaign, at least make sure that issue has legs. This whole thing is going to deflate like a pricked balloon when The Hills is put to bed.

Or maybe somebody did think it through. Maybe the people who talked Fred into running -- I'm looking ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 14, 17 8:50 PM
Turkey likes Jay. Even more reason to vote for Fred
By razza5350 (1846), East Hampton on Jul 15, 17 5:26 AM
Wow. Here's a first.

I agree, George. Everything you said is on point. Fred challenging jay does more for the Republican line than it does the Dem line.


By Draggerman (619), Southampton on Jul 16, 17 6:50 AM
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Well,well TB quite a dilemma.... how about permitting the Town Board to work independent of external political pressure ? Neither you, Amper or Uncle Fred sit on the Town Board, who as SEQRA Lead Agency is responsible for reviewing the application without prejudice. Perhaps the solution is an unanimous and swift approval of the Hills justified by the merits and science of the application not these convoluted political games. After all no matter what candidates win, they don't take office until ...more
By Lion (150), southampton on Jul 15, 17 5:51 AM
See what I mean? See what I mean, folks? There's Lion, he's a Hills guy, and he's amused by this, he's chortling and rubbing his hands together: "Well, well TB quite a dilemma . . ." This is the result that the Fred Havemeyer primary challenge is inviting, playing right into the hands of the Hills promoters.

Of course Lion tells us no new Town Board will take office or be able to act until January. Translation: Don't think about that, people -- the Republicans (lifted into office ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 15, 17 8:46 AM
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It will never end until all you political hacks stop with the "sides" and work for the benefit of the people of the town instead of your beloved parties.
By VOS (916), WHB on Jul 15, 17 2:10 PM
You don't read with much care, VOS. When I refer to my "side," I'm not talking about political parties. The guys on my "side" of whom I'm speaking are the environmentalists, the anti-Hills people, the folks who would impose responsible controls on development and preserve the precious historical and natural resources we have on the East End. They include both Democrats and Republicans, but frankly, more of the former and fewer of the latter.

That's who I mean by "my side." It includes ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 15, 17 2:32 PM
You've come out against Fred because the Democrat establishment has a vested interest in keeping Jay in his current position, period. You're a for soldier for the Party and seemingly could give a flying fig about what's good for the electorate, Party first at any cost. That's why you guys got hammered during the last election cycle.
By bigfresh (2754), north sea on Jul 15, 17 2:49 PM
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TB, with respect to your comments that bedding down with dogs will get you fleas... referring to the folks on which "side?"
The proposed Hills project does offer "responsible controls on development" because of limits set on developable area, turf products and term monitoring programs managed by the Town, and preserves 100s of acres of natural resources. None of which can be imposed on an as of right subdivision. And "your side" is against it, making the same mistakes as stopping accessory ...more
By Lion (150), southampton on Jul 15, 17 3:31 PM
I read with more care than with which you write, apparently. Don't try to rewrite history, Turkey - you have always drawn your "sides" along party lines unless someone assumed your identity two weeks ago when this was posted:

"Wrong again, bigfresh, the Republican Party is the problem. Here's why -- even if the present Town Board repeals the PDD law and denies The Hills application before the election, Fred Havemeyer's primary challenge could easily cause a GOP victory in November, ...more
By VOS (916), WHB on Jul 15, 17 11:02 PM
VOS, you're still missing it, which could mean that I haven't made myself clear. I'll try again:

I wrote above that "my side" is comprised of "the environmentalists, the anti-Hills people, the folks who would impose responsible controls on development and preserve the precious historical and natural resources we have . . ." Speaking of this group, I said: "They include both Democrats and Republicans, but frankly, more of the former and fewer of the latter."

Remember that last ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 16, 17 10:48 AM
"my side" is comprised of "the environmentalists, the folks who would impose responsible controls on development and preserve the precious historical and natural resources we have . . ." ?
Yet you vocally supported the despised Sandy Hollow Section 8 ?
Sorta full-o-crap I say !!!
By pw herman (528), southampton on Jul 16, 17 11:12 AM
Once again, you really are a one-trick pony, aren't you, PW? Sort of like the Havemeyer platform, which is all about The Hills, and . . . what else? Nada, zero, zippo.

Getting to your favorite (and only) subject, I don't recall that I "vocally supported" the "despised" Sandy Hollow project, but it wouldn't surprise me if I had, because I was and am for it. We need affordable housing, period. I guess that means you and I disagree on that one.
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 16, 17 12:42 PM
Sure it's clear - once a partisan politician, always a partisan politician and all your protests and explanations don't change that.

For you to have injected, even once, a party link to your opinions on the Hills much less draw a party line in the sand exposes you for what you are. You can not even explain away your political links without repeating them.

The people of Southampton are wise enough to examine the facts and form their own decisions; you do them great disservice ...more
By VOS (916), WHB on Jul 16, 17 3:16 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By pw herman (528), southampton on Jul 17, 17 8:22 AM
If you don't even remember what you said yesterday Turkey, than it shouldn't matter to anyone what you say today. My tune rarely changes.
Jul 17, 17 1:07 PM appended by pw herman
REMEMBER SANDY HOLLOW !!! DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!
By pw herman (528), southampton on Jul 17, 17 1:07 PM
Fred : please attempt an 11th hour stop to that cursed, vile and despised Sandy Hollow Low Income Section 8 Housing Project. Over 1000 non- democrat votes would surely come your way.
By pw herman (528), southampton on Jul 15, 17 8:03 AM
Fred , You have my vote on September 12 !!

By toes in the water (483), southampton on Jul 15, 17 8:20 AM
The parcels that this company owns all have building rights. As Is they can build many many houses. That cannot be stopped. The Town tried to buy the parcel however the company declined. I believe that this may have happened more than once with the County Involved as well. The Town cannot pay more than the appraised value by law, so there is no way to throw more money at them to get them to sell. The PDD law while well intentioned has been abused and is now off the table, so going forward this PDD ...more
By North Sea Citizen (443), North Sea on Jul 16, 17 10:16 AM
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The people can not trust any party or politician to reflect their will. There should be referendums at every election that specifically set the direction of elected and career officials. For example two such referendums could be: 1. Do you want traffic laws strictly unforced on CR 39? 2. Do you want physical safety improvements made to CR 39? Then every month we the citizenry should get a reports. The current system lacks reporting. My 2 cents.
By TheTurtle (107), Southampton on Jul 16, 17 12:45 PM
The Hills is one of the best things that could happen for the Quogue area, land preservation, large taxable structures, no kids added to the school, over 100 jobs after build out + construction jobs, a world class development. The only people really against this is Dick Amper who is holding out for a payout and the Board at Hampton Hills Golf Club and a few lackey's.
By 11953guest (28), southampton on Jul 16, 17 3:38 PM
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And by a few lackeys you mean:

East Quogue Civic Assoc.
Friends of Sandy Hollow Assoc.
CAC-West (Westhampton, Remsenburg, Speonk, Eastport)
Group for the East End
Citizens Campaign for the Environment
Bay View Pines Civic & Taxpayers Association
East Quogue CAC
Shinnecock Neighbors
CLEAN
Sag Harbor CAC
Long Island Environmental Voters Forum
Southampton Town Civic Coalition
Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele, Jr.
Legislator Bridget ...more
By CleanWater (98), East Quogue on Jul 17, 17 9:34 AM
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Mmm what proof is there that the East Quogue Civic Association is in opposition?
By Lion (150), southampton on Jul 17, 17 5:44 PM
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I'm all for keeping the quality of life on the east end but where quality can increase, it should be allowed to. Stagnation is means to a depressed environment.
By resident9 (4), hampton bays on Jul 16, 17 6:30 PM
The problems the East End suffers will continue to get worse. For some reason, there are no new candidates with new ideas willing to step into the fray.


By even flow (366), East Hampton on Jul 17, 17 8:47 AM
... what's the name of the Repub. candidate for Supervisor?
By William Rodney (429), southampton on Jul 17, 17 10:44 AM
A one-term Town Trustee named Raymond Overton who, I think, ran to fill Fred's seat when he retired. He'll probably be the odd man out this year, if for no other reason than you had to ask who was running on the GOP line.




By Frank Wheeler (1690), Northampton on Jul 17, 17 11:56 AM
So, TB: with Ol' Fred tripping a dem primary, and Supe an Independent, if the Supe lost the dem support Jay could seek cross endorsement from the Repubs, returning to his origins, provided Mr. O drops out. Where is the inde-party chair Young Fred on this, who like Fleming has opposed the proposed Hills? Who will each endorse, party favs or party only? Have you studied combinations of this political rubicon? This is why PDDs are problematic... when politicians exert unfair pressure simply to garner ...more
By Lion (150), southampton on Jul 17, 17 1:58 PM
You're way ahead of me, Lion. I'm just a dumb old politician, you know? I know this, though: The guy running your democracy these days is a fellow named Trump, not me. How's that going for you?
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 17, 17 2:30 PM
Ahh snap to TB, you're not that old...
as for that other chap, it appears to be going well enough... by Russian standards..
By Lion (150), southampton on Jul 17, 17 4:29 PM
"I'm just a dumb old politician".
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son !
(Animal House 1978)
Jul 18, 17 7:57 AM appended by pw herman
REMEMBER SANDY HOLLOW !!! DRAIN THE SWAMP !!!
By pw herman (528), southampton on Jul 18, 17 7:57 AM
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VOS, I begin to despair of your ever getting it, or maybe you do get it and you just can't bear admitting that because you know I'm right. Here it is: You can't look at these things in a vacuum, you can't just examine the merits of an issue like this and ignore the political aspect, not in the real world. If you do, you're just theorizing and forgetting the practical result. The fact is that if the Republicans get power, they'll either approve The Hills if it hasn't yet been voted on or they'll ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1672), Quiogue on Jul 17, 17 2:23 PM
And while you despair that many of us independent citizens refuse to look at individual themes as partisan topics, three quarters of the populace despair over the crippling partisan nature of American politics today. You are part and parcel of that despair.

That is precisely what got Big Fresh, a guy I rarely agree with, a "like." It seems that you have been entrenched in that political machine for so long you cannot even conceive of free thinking people making informed choices without ...more
By VOS (916), WHB on Jul 17, 17 3:21 PM
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"Brainless" reply Turkeybridge, really? Calling you out as a political hack who puts party over all is an objective observation.
By bigfresh (2754), north sea on Jul 18, 17 8:35 AM
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At least Fred is a REAL registered Democrat. I keep seeing political charlatans that are not in our party, masquerading as democrats, and running as democrats. The Democrat leadership gave us Independent Drug Dealer Brad Bender and they gave us Jay. Mr. Bridge can say the democrats are anit-Hills but does anybody care that they are running a paid Hills lobbyist for Trustee. You can't claim your party is Anti-Hills and then run a Hills Lobbyist for Trustee and Jay who has gotten a bunch of money ...more
By CleanWaters (51), Southampton on Jul 17, 17 2:40 PM
Party over substance, the Democrat way
By bigfresh (2754), north sea on Jul 18, 17 7:26 AM
Forget about Party or Politics - who do I call when this algae behind my home becomes too revolting to tolerate?

Anna Throne-Holst? I'll need a good real estate agent to help sell my home.

And, do you think property values will be affected by water you can't swim in?
By sag2harbor (117), sag harbor on Jul 18, 17 7:39 AM
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Can I buy some kind of filter - like I have on our kitchen sink...?
By sag2harbor (117), sag harbor on Jul 18, 17 7:41 AM
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