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Nov 20, 2017 2:19 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Discovery Land May Have Other Paths To Golf Course In East Quogue; Supervisor Pitches Public Access

The Hills property in East Quogue.  DANA SHAW
Nov 20, 2017 2:19 PM

As Southampton Town Supervisor Jay Schneiderman scrambles to build support prior to a December 5 vote on proposed special zoning to allow a golf resort development in East Quogue—a measure that is most likely going to fail—the developer behind the project is already exploring new avenues that could secure its golf course under current zoning.

Mr. Schneiderman said this week that he is still trying to find “the best proposal I can,” namely by pitching new ideas, including the suggestion of adding public access to what is currently slated to be a private and exclusive golf course, to his fellow board members.

But at the same time, attorneys for Discovery Land Company of Arizona, the developer behind “The Hills at Southampton,” are poring over the town’s own code and are confident that they could come up a plan that achieves their main goal—the building of a private golf course—without having to navigate the town’s cumbersome, and now outlawed, planned development district application process.

The supervisor said Town Attorney James Burke will seek an opinion from the town’s Zoning Board of Appeals on whether the existing town code actually offers Discovery Land other paths to putting a golf course on more than 600 acres in East Quogue as an amenity for a luxury housing subdivision.

When reached on Monday, Mr. Burke said “it’s possible” for Discovery Land to build a golf course as a recreational use for a traditional subdivision, if it is forced to abandon its planned development district, though he also emphasized that he does not yet know if the developer would pursue that option. “I haven’t heard anything just yet,” Mr. Burke said.

Currently, the Town Board is considering the creation of a PDD—it is the last one under consideration as the law allowing the special zoning was repealed earlier this year—to allow the golf course and 118 estates on the property. The PDD requires four of five board members to support it, and both Councilwoman Julie Lofstad and Councilman John Bouvier have indicated that they will be “no” votes on December 5.

But Wayne D. Bruyn, a Southampton attorney representing Discovery, sent a letter in October to Town Hall inquiring about a little-used zoning designation currently in the town code. Known as an “open space conservation and park district,” it allows “land in public and private ownership” to be set aside for recreational uses like tennis courts, nature preserves and parks—and, the code specifies, golf courses.

Mr. Schneiderman noted that the designation has been used primarily to lower property assessments for tax purposes, as the recreational use would replace underlying residential development rights and would remain in place permanently. Should Discovery Land explore the idea, it could file an application for a zone change, which requires only three votes instead of four, for a portion of its East Quogue property. That likely would reduce the number of houses that could be built, but it might allow a simple Planning Board review for the golf course.

Currently, Mr. Schneiderman noted, the PDD is thought to be the only method for creating a new golf course within the town. But, in fact, in addition to the open space conservation and park district, another path could exist for creation of a golf course via existing town code.

The supervisor noted that several town residents—including New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg—have golf holes as amenities on their residential properties. Using that as a precedent, it could well be that Discovery Land could include a golf course in its subdivision proposal filed under current zoning. The key, he said, would be that the course would only be available for play by homeowners in the subdivision and their guests—no private memberships could be sold outside the neighborhood.

It’s possible to make an argument, he said, that a golf course can be considered a recreational amenity, just like a pool, tennis court or other permitted uses.

“It does say, though, that the Planning Board ‘may allow’—it doesn’t say ‘shall,’” Mr. Schneiderman noted, adding that it would not be considered open space and thus would considered a developed portion of the property. That could reduce the number of housing units permitted.

The supervisor said he’s asked Mr. Burke to seek an advisory opinion from the ZBA on the matter.

At the same time, Mr. Schneiderman said he is talking with Discovery Land officials about an idea he has for a revision to the PDD proposal currently before the Town Board. It would include a mandate that a certain number of tee times at the golf course—say, 20 percent—would be set aside for public use.

“Then it becomes a public facility,” he said. “Anyone from Southampton Town—it wouldn’t be anyone from the state, but anyone from Southampton—could go there and play. It wouldn’t be as elitist.” He added, “There’d be something in it for the entire community, not just the East Quogue community.”

Mr. Schneiderman said he’s also encouraged Discovery Land officials to consider a pledge to use organic methods on its fairways. Both that idea and the public access are designed to try to swing both public opinion and at least one of his Democratic colleagues to vote in favor of the PDD, giving it the necessary four votes.

“Would making it quasi-public, would creating some public use, move some of the opposition over? I’m not sure,” he said.

Regardless, Mr. Schneiderman said the vote will happen on December 5.

Discovery Land Vice President Mark Hissey acknowledged that the company is examining both options related to new paths for a golf course via the subdivision process, which would sidestep the Town Board.

“I will welcome any kind of discourse,” he said in response to Mr. Schneiderman’s proposal for public access to the planned private golf course. “Yeah, you bet—makes no difference to me at all. If the community benefits, great.”

He left no doubt, however, that despite facing a potential failure of the PDD application on December 5, Discovery Land is committed to including the amenity as part of its plans for a luxury development in East Quogue: “We will have golf. We will have golf.”

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A SNAKE is a SNAKE even when it shed its skin. JAY SCHNEIDERMAN is a SNAKE. I guess he wants DLC to pay his way for a Congressional Run
By SpeedRacer (96), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 3:10 PM
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"The supervisor said Town Attorney James Burke will seek an opinion from the town’s Zoning Board of Appeals on whether the existing town code actually offers Discovery Land other paths to putting a golf course on more than 600 acres in East Quogue as an amenity for a luxury housing subdivision." Why is the town of Southampton doing the developer's legal work for them?
By rburger (77), Remsenburg on Nov 20, 17 3:14 PM
Why the hell is Jay bending over backwards, or forward for that matter on behalf of the developers? A little quid pro quo perhaps?
By bigfresh (3501), north sea on Nov 20, 17 3:19 PM
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Guess the Fat Lady won't be singing December 5th..

DLC owns the land. They have a right to develop it. There is no option on the table for the town to buy it back. As an East Quogue resident, and a resident of Southampton town, we should be focusing on the best use of the property for the environment and the district- NOT be knocking any and all proposals.

By EastEnder3 (12), East Quogue on Nov 20, 17 3:30 PM
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1.) There will be another golf course in the Pine Barrens.
2.) Millions of dollars in real community benefits will be lost.
3.) The 44 unit Lofstad-Bouvier Housing Complex will be built at the head of Weesuck Creek.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 20, 17 3:58 PM
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If we all just make stuff up to scare ourselves and others how will we ever be productive, cmac?
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 20, 17 4:29 PM
I haven't heard Julie or John utter a single word on the very real scenarios facing East Quogue once they vote no on the PDD. Neither of them would even set foot in East Quogue leading up to the election, because they don't have any answers for East Quogue. The school board was adamant about staying neutral on this issue and they addressed the Town Board at the last hearing to state how devastating an as of right development would be for the school district. Crickets...
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 20, 17 5:25 PM
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The arguments in favor and against the hills have been pretty established for some time...how many times do you want the board to answer the same questions over and over again?

Maybe now that new proposals are in front of them they might have more to talk about...
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 20, 17 8:02 PM
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It would be interesting to learn what the board actually owes to you / us.

Are there any town guidelines about what type of information may be shared that you're aware of? It seems that projects up for proposal are pretty clear though I'm not sure there is any requirement for a board member to spell out their reasoning on anything to anyone (aside from their own motivation to be elected).
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 21, 17 10:39 AM
I'm not sure what's normal, I'm just wondering if a board member has to justify a decision to anyone at all (i'm not saying that this is right/wrong) or if they are free to act based on the information that they have without explaining it to anyone.

Also, when you say 'voting no means you don't agree with the facts' kind of assumes that we are talking about straightforward facts, when we are actually talking about a serious of scenarios with varying contingencies that would ultimately ...more
Nov 21, 17 3:38 PM appended by adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp
(typos...) 1. * you kind of assume 2. * series (not serious)
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 21, 17 3:38 PM
Again, you are acting as if it is objective facts that we're talking about. When in reality we are looking at a range of scenarios with differing effects based on implementation/maintenance/guidelines.

The board is not voting on something like 2+2=4, they are voting on something like 2+X=Y.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 22, 17 9:03 AM
no need to be sorry, you're just incorrect about what the FEIS actually means. This is very far from black and white.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 22, 17 3:52 PM
Private golf course or public??? Pollution is pollution, private or public.
Jay, high class nitrogen is the same as public nitrogen [****]. Jay ask Mr Gobler...
By knitter (1249), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 6:26 PM
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RVS and SpeedRacer posted the one argument that DLC has no answer to, on the original SHP/Hills story. I quote RVS "MORE DEVELOPMENT LEADS TO MORE TOWN SERVICES AND MORE TAXES.
By HamptonClassic (59), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 7:20 PM
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they will get it on way or another
By xtiego (632), bridgehampton on Nov 20, 17 8:08 PM
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You are correct xtiego ! So why not get the community benefit and pass the PDD ?

Because the opposition is engaging in SPITE and they are going to take the rest of us down with along with them Isn't that the case Julie,George,Caroline, Tommy and the very clear thinking Mr. Bouvier

It is clear for everone to see that your unyielding war of ideology is going to cost the young family's of EQ for years to come !
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 21, 17 10:53 AM
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More fakery, more bluff. For the second time now, we are asked to believe that Discovery Land Company's lawyers are not competent. The first was when they claimed to have been unable to effect routine notice of a public hearing, thereby delaying the hearing until after the election and giving their client one more chance to secure a favorable Town Board decision. It strained credulity to the breaking point to accept that Discovery's counsel, long experienced and well-versed in these matters, ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1825), Quiogue on Nov 20, 17 8:32 PM
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But, George. That’s your boy... And now he’s a member of the Democrat party...
By Draggerman (788), Southampton on Nov 20, 17 11:07 PM
The "Swampy pond"-East End version of the "Swamp" in DC.
By Taz (421), East Quogue on Nov 21, 17 10:30 AM
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If you watch julies foot bouncing in the latest town board meeting on tv you can tell she is very uncomfortable with the facts. she is not stupid and i believe has quilt that she sold out to win the election. she knows the pdd is thae better deal at this point and cant wait for this to be over.
Nov 21, 17 10:58 AM appended by Erin 27 E
If you watch julies foot bouncing in the latest town board meeting on tv you can tell she is very uncomfortable with the facts. she is not stupid and i believe has guilt that she sold out to win the election. she knows the pdd is thae better deal at this point and cant wait for this to be over.
By Erin 27 E (1031), hampton bays on Nov 21, 17 10:58 AM
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Jay, Stan and Christine are the swamp in this case, selling out to DLC...delay after delay after delay, buying developer more time to come up with something. The election dealt them another blow - in Jan there will be 3 no votes. Scramble, scramble, scramble. Threats of polution unless we comply with their demands. NOT !!!!!
By Taz (421), East Quogue on Nov 21, 17 11:27 AM
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Taz, respectfully, what do you hope to gain by blocking the PDD ? i admit i think the resort is a good thing and i know you are against it. That said, it makes no sense to resist this project at this point ? its not logical ? The golf will have less impact than the as of right in many ways ?

So please tell me agian what out come is better than the golf resort?
By Erin 27 E (1031), hampton bays on Nov 21, 17 1:45 PM
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They would have used this ruse like a dog on a pork chop -- well said sir. Hopefully, DLC will be discouraged enough by our elected officials to want to fold up their tent and vamoose it back to Arizona. They can buy each other drinks at the Dune Deck and play horseshoes on the beach there.
By dfree (499), hampton bays on Nov 21, 17 2:22 PM
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Ha!

You clearly underestimate your opponent. Do some research. DLC is in for the long haul. They’re being really awesome with some of their offers to help EQ right now. Make them do AOR and all those offers go bye bye. Julie & John may seem like saviors, but when EQSD is drowning in new students you may have buyers remorse.
By Draggerman (788), Southampton on Nov 21, 17 6:25 PM
the aquafer provides drinking water beyond the EQ school district and downtown area, there's ZERO benefit to the rest of the Town. Claiming that the golf course will be monitored is great, they can tell us when pollutants are about to enter our water supply and bay.
By bigfresh (3501), north sea on Nov 21, 17 3:45 PM
No, No, NO. no matter what the developers propose. NO MORE DEVELOPMENT.
By rvs (88), sag harbor on Nov 21, 17 11:02 PM
RVS,

DLC owns the land. Why should there be no more development?

The as of right development helps nobody. Why should the PDD be knocked down?

Why should folks 20 miles away throw their 2 cents in on East Quogue- when the only horse they have in the race is ideology?

By EastEnder3 (12), East Quogue on Nov 22, 17 8:24 AM
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For clarity: people who live in the Town of Southampton throw their 2 cents in on East Quogue because East Quogue is part of the Town of Southampton.
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3019), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 8:29 AM
Oh so now we are part suddenly a part of the Hampton's? How about we dismantle the Bridge ,Sebonack and Shinnecock Hills to put up Affordable housing!

We need this project more than 137 + more "mixed use " homes with cesspools,lawns and children
By Erin 27 E (1031), hampton bays on Nov 22, 17 10:18 AM
I agree with you in general on the hills being a better option (though I don't think it'd be permanent residents who would buy these homes), I'm just explaining why "folks 20 miles away throw their 2 cents in on East Quogue."
By Fore1gnBornHBgrown (3019), HAMPTON BAYS on Nov 22, 17 10:24 AM
OK, let’s talk about the East Quogue thing. This contention that The Hills is strictly an EQ issue and everyone else should butt out is one of the most ridicolous arguments to appear in this whole discussion.

First, the outfit deciding on this application is the Southampton Town Board and they have an obligation to consider the welfare of Southampton Town as a whole, not just the part which is EQ.

Second, one of the very few good points about The Hills is that the development ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1825), Quiogue on Nov 22, 17 4:05 PM
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Nice prompt reply to my post, Lion, less than an hour and a half on the Wednesday afternoon before Thanksgiving. I still say you work this like a job. I still say there's something in this for you. And don't go claiming the same thing about me. I'm just an old guy with nothing better to do. And besides, who would pay anyone to knock off The Hills? That's been my point all along.

Apart from promptness, however, you've not offered much of a reply. You don't answer any part of my comment ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1825), Quiogue on Nov 22, 17 10:10 PM
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Happy Thanksgiving, Turkey. Now that that's out of the way, your first two points are well taken, in fact, I made the second point myself about a week ago.

It has been documented in Southampton, Bridgehampton and even farther east that wealthy people actually eat meat and vegetables they purchase locally, they also buy pizza and Chinese food from time to time and rumor has it that a bottle of Grey Goose purchased west of the canal is almost as good as one bought on Job's Lane. Do not ...more
By VOS (1089), WHB on Nov 23, 17 2:44 AM
Hey, they don't even give you guys Thanksgiving Day off, huh? There's VOS working the night shift (2:44 AM) and Lion relieving him in the morning (6:06 AM). Tough.

Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to us all. We have much to be thankful for, not least the good fortune of living in this beautiful place, a place I'm trying to keep beautiful and clean, which is what this is all about for me, that and nothing else.

No, I have no connection whatever to Hampton Hills or the Westhampton Country ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1825), Quiogue on Nov 23, 17 11:20 AM
A heartfelt Happy Thanksgiving one and all! A quick point, all the monitoring in the world does nothing to remediate toxins in the groundwater, at most we will have a warning that the deed has been done.
By bigfresh (3501), north sea on Nov 23, 17 9:43 AM
WOW!! Turkey Bridge you must have hit a nerve with Lion, Vos and their Merry Band of DLC lackeys. Lion and Vos must be working on their PHD (Piled High and Deep) or are they getting paid by DLC by the word. If it wasn't such an important topic, we could chalk it up to too much pre football game free time.
Happy Thanksgiving to ALL.
By SpeedRacer (96), Southampton on Nov 23, 17 11:10 AM
WOW!! Turkey Bridge you must have hit a nerve with Lion, Vos and their Merry Band of DLC lackeys. Lion and Vos must be working on their PHD (Piled High and Deep) or are they getting paid by DLC by the word. If it wasn't such an important topic, we could chalk it up to too much pre football game free time.
Happy Thanksgiving to ALL.
By SpeedRacer (96), Southampton on Nov 23, 17 11:10 AM
I'm looking forward to the vote on The Hills PDD application, and hearing from our the rationale behind the vote of each of our town board members.
FYI - those who may think John Bouvier or Christine Scalera are playing party politics or are part of "the swamp" have more than likely never spoken to either. Though their opinions may be at odds, my bet is they will be well thought out and thoroughly researched.
Wishing all a happy Thanksgiving. I'm thankful to live in this beautiful area ...more
Nov 23, 17 11:20 AM appended by Craigcat
Sorry for grammatical errors. Fat fingers on an ipad yield wonky results.
By Craigcat (233), Speonk on Nov 23, 17 11:20 AM
Wishing everyone a HAPPY THANKSGIVING !
Hopefully, Supervisor Schneiderman will not reveal himself to be a real "TURKEY" by promoting this environmental disaster-- THE HILLS PDD.

WHEN IN DOUBT, THROW IT OUT !!
By HamptonClassic (59), Southampton on Nov 23, 17 12:14 PM
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You are being ridiculous, this project is the best thing for your economy and the environment. So you seem to be spiting yourselves.
By widow gavits (183), sag harbor on Nov 23, 17 3:56 PM
Lion, we've had communications problems before, so let me repeat a couple of things just to make them completely clear: Your patron/ally/employer/friend/client/whatever -- Discovery Land Co. -- is operating in a mafia-like fashion to advance this project. They come in here from Arizona and effectively say to us, "Nice town you got here. Sure would be a shame if anything happened to it."

How do they do that? They do it by threats, and they're not veiled threats. They come in here and ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1825), Quiogue on Nov 24, 17 10:28 AM
I am admittedly just a casual observer, but it seems that " operating in a mafia like fashion" is something you all are familiar with !

I watched your latest meeting on SEA this morning and was amazed at the close mindedness of some of the people opposing " the gentrification of EQ " , LOL.

Some of you old folk crack me up . It seems to me most of you are worried that your property value may go up and you might have to pay a few dollars more in taxes.

Again, it is ...more
By Ditch Bum (478), Water Mill on Nov 24, 17 2:14 PM
There you go again, Turkey. Before you care to go off on another tangent that I too have a "patron/ally/employer/friend/client/whatever" in Discovery let me assure you there is still no veracity in your charges and only proves to demonstrate that to those in politics such as yourself "any lie is a lie worth repeating."

You still do not have me convinced, however, that you are not being compensated by some entity that wants to see any project in East Quogue abandoned, not for any substantial ...more
By VOS (1089), WHB on Nov 24, 17 3:30 PM
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@Vos @Lion @TurkeyBridge @everyone

regardless of whether you are pro-hills or anti-hills, who is actually willing to consider that they might actually be wrong in their personal assessment? Obviously we are all doing a lot of guessing/speculating/hoping...the long term effect of this project being realized or not is far from certain.

To all (including myself) : consider that what you imagine might be incorrect, what then? Why is this this PDD application something we are so ...more
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 24, 17 6:07 PM
- the impacts of this project are not certainties
- i asked about your thoughts on the potential that your passion for this project is mis-guided
- for some reason you wrote about the SEQRA process and legal requirements
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 25, 17 8:52 AM
This area already has 150 homes on one side and a sand pit on the other ? Golf would be the nicest addition instead of more homes
By They call me (2349), southampton on Nov 25, 17 8:57 AM
You sure do type a lot for someone who is attempting to say absolutely nothing.
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 26, 17 6:10 PM
I'm not sure why you're unable to stray from your copy/paste points.
You seem to show some consistency in your responses...i'm guessing that i'm communicating with a bot. (well played DLC)
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 26, 17 6:56 PM
even if you're unwilling to admit that you're potentially wrong about the DLC PDD application, hopefully you can admit that you might be wrong in your assessment of me.

(if not, then it appears that lion is never wrong about anything? Amazing).
By adlkjd923ilifmac.aladfksdurwp (504), southampton on Nov 27, 17 6:51 AM
Discovery Land is to our community water source as Purdue Pharma is to our health care system. Tell us some more paid shills how dumping fertilizer into our aquifer is your right and our wrong.
By dfree (499), hampton bays on Nov 24, 17 8:42 PM
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thats NOT what they are doing and you are very disingenuous saying so, try and catch up with the facts
By Erin 27 E (1031), hampton bays on Nov 24, 17 11:20 PM
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Since you feel that way you must support the Hills and the monitoring that will be involved with the project. Or do you expect the homeowners AOR to not fertilize?
By bb (776), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 17 9:13 PM
Lion, How did you guess that I work for The Department of Corrections, Errors, Omissions and Redundancy? I was assigned to you and Vos, as persons of interest or not. Anyway, most people would think that, from the volume of stuff you two guys regurgitate I would be busy 24/7, but that is not the case. Your same over and over postings, are just that.
By SpeedRacer (96), Southampton on Nov 25, 17 12:40 PM
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As stated in this article, Supervisor Jay Schneiderman is "scrambling to build support prior to a December 5 vote."
Why is Schneiderman scrambling?
We, the taxpayers, don't pay Schneiderman to scramble for the developer.
Although, we all know that's his main focus.-EVERYTHING FOR THE DEVELOPER.

HOW SAD FOR THE TOWN !
By HamptonClassic (59), Southampton on Nov 25, 17 1:09 PM
You are not the only ones who pay taxes, what is sad is that more people I talk to want the golf coarse than those who dont. It is the vocal minority's Na na na na na I cant here you! You refuse to here the logic of Dr Gobler or the rest of us! Your no building anytime anywhere attitude is whats sad.
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 25, 17 4:57 PM
You are not the only ones who pay taxes, what is sad is that more people I talk to want the golf coarse than those who dont. It is the vocal minority's Na na na na na I cant here you! You refuse to here the logic of Dr Gobler or the rest of us! Your no building anytime anywhere attitude is whats sad.
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 25, 17 4:58 PM
The reporter said 'scrambling'. Did Jay say, Hey I'm scrambling? That is Joe Shaw's word. Means nothing.
By bb (776), Hampton Bays on Nov 26, 17 9:11 PM
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By HamptonClassic (59), Southampton on Nov 25, 17 8:23 PM
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Anyone else sick and tired of losing things? Like racetracks and drag strips and nature preserves? There's a damn golf course just up the road called "Hampton Hills".

We don't need another ******g golf course. There were well over ninety on the island now. Perhaps a nice road track to replace the one the NIMBYs got rid of in Bridgehampton? Maybe in tandem with a drag strip?

Then, you could still use fertigation for a different purpose...
By Mr. Z (10153), North Sea on Nov 25, 17 8:37 PM
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Good luck with your race track, Now there is a great way to send a neighborhood into the toilet
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 26, 17 12:17 AM
Yeah, it's just better people drag race in the street or have to travel hundreds of miles to do it.

Once again, you show your stunning level of character...
Nov 27, 17 7:30 PM appended by Mr. Z
And sure, because there aren't ANY NASCAR or NHRA fans out this way, so really why would we want or need anything like that close to home. Worldly thou art not...
By Mr. Z (10153), North Sea on Nov 27, 17 7:30 PM
I love NASCAR and was in full support when Trump wanted to bring it to Calverton where were you on that ? Surly you must see a neighborhood like EQ is not the appropriate place for something like that. It is more of a golf location.
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Nov 29, 17 12:03 AM
You already have a golf course.

It's called "Hampton Hills", and it's 3 miles away from the proposed site.
By Mr. Z (10153), North Sea on Nov 30, 17 9:51 PM
Once again you have answered a different question
By 27dan (2346), Shinnecock Hills on Dec 1, 17 10:36 AM
Still haven't heard a valid reason as to why Jay is doing the leg work for the developers, it's not his job as Supervisor to do so. Any supporters here want to take a crack at it? Hissey, Lion, VOS ?
By bigfresh (3501), north sea on Nov 27, 17 7:12 AM
Depends on how you look at it. I see it as Jay doing the leg work for the people of East Quogue. Thank you Jay.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 27, 17 7:45 AM
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Speak for yourself for once, cmac. Not all of East Quogue will be signing onto your lawsuit and not all of us believe that Jay nor the EQ BOE should be doing anything to promote this disastrous project, the Hills at East Quogue.
By zappy (46), east quogue on Nov 27, 17 10:05 AM
Ummmm...I believe that I was speaking for myself. "I see it" is me, right? I believe if I were speaking for others the correct wording would have been "we see it". Our Civic Association President is somewhat of an expert at speaking for others so perhaps he can clarify the difference for you.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 28, 17 7:26 AM
I for one resent my tax dollars paying for the EQ school lawyer speaking politically at the Hills town mtg.
By Taz (421), East Quogue on Nov 27, 17 12:37 PM
Feel free to attend a BOE meeting and ask, but I am pretty sure that speaking at a meeting on behalf of the Board is covered under the fee already paid to Ingerman Smith for their services.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 28, 17 7:36 AM
... how 'bout a school board quorum at a town meeting espousing school district policy/idealogy through their attorney? You ok with that?
By William Rodney (488), southampton on Nov 28, 17 5:02 PM
Not only am I ok with that, I wish they had done it sooner.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 29, 17 8:15 AM
... do you think that maybe they violated the Open Meetings Law?
By William Rodney (488), southampton on Nov 29, 17 2:58 PM
With their attorney present? LOL...They did not violate open meetings law.
By cmac (138), East Quogue on Nov 29, 17 4:00 PM
the people of EQ are for the Hills 68% to 32% based on the ones speaking at the meetings
By Erin 27 E (1031), hampton bays on Nov 27, 17 2:17 PM
erin if true our SHTB members should perhaps go over these numbers and vote as the people want not as the party wants. I think the no voters will be very sorry that this was passed up since the right to develop is still there and will become a nightmare in the next few years but hey, they will all be gone and new board members will sit back and point the blame
By xtiego (632), bridgehampton on Nov 27, 17 4:48 PM
Erin, are you counting the busloads of out of townLIBI proponents who were encouraged to attend the meetings in the LIBI newsletter in October and to send their friends and family members?
By zappy (46), east quogue on Nov 27, 17 7:11 PM
The aquifer and bays impact all SH town residents, not just those in EQ, who r blinded by $$ benefits. EQ does not speak for SH Town, whose voters have clearly chosen anti Hills candidates for the town board.
By Taz (421), East Quogue on Nov 28, 17 11:37 AM
The funny thing here is; this is the same BS that went on over “The Tuckahoe Center”. And now all the transplanted interloping retired NIMBYs are dancing and rejoicing saying “see, we beat that horrible Bob Morrow, our savior Jay has bought the property and preserved it forever”.

Not so, NIMBYs. Jay has given the group working capital to build whatever they please, AOR. (That’s as of right, not where you alt lefty’s get your email). Let’s see what ...more
By Draggerman (788), Southampton on Nov 30, 17 8:12 PM
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Hysterical! They may get their golf course anyway!! Lol. And you know what? They probably won't need to add any of the pollution control measures that they were willing to install out of good faith had their other project gone through! Priceless!
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