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May 8, 2013 10:57 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Police Logged Long Hours Following Sandy

May 8, 2013 10:57 AM

Southampton Town Police officers worked more than 850 hours of overtime during the 10-day state of emergency declared by town officials following Superstorm Sandy last October.

The bill for the overtime, which has been included in town requests for reimbursement by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, totaled $74,319 for the state of emergency.

Police officers accounted for about two-thirds of the total overtime hours, with supervisors accounting for the other third. But supervisor pay amounted to about 60 percent of the total expenses—about $44,000.

More than half of the overtime hours logged by supervisors was racked up by the department’s commanding officer at the time, Captain Robert Pearce, who is now the department’s chief, and by Lieutenant Lawrence Schurek, who was the town’s emergency operations coordinator and liaison to the Suffolk County Office of Emergency Management. The two worked 214 hours of overtime in just over two weeks, in addition to their usual 40-hour work weeks during that period.

Captain Pearce, who was made chief of the department just one month after the storm hit, was the acting commanding officer of the department when the storm hit because Chief William Wilson Jr. was out of town on vacation and had told some town officials that he would not be returning to his post before his official retirement on December 1.

Captain Pearce logged 92 hours of overtime during the storm. He was paid $138 per hour.

Lt. Schurek, however, logged the most hours, during the storm: approximately 122 hours during the emergency period, at a pay rate of $125.72 per hour.

Chief Pearce said this week that the senior lieutenant spent much of that time, including two full weekends, at Suffolk County command, helping coordinate town, county and other agencies response in the town.

Town logs show that Lt. Schurek worked 16 consecutive days, several of them 15-hour days, during the state of emergency and the recovery period.

Due to a clerical error, Lt. Schurek was initially paid for an additional 27 hours of overtime after a clerk entered 30 hours of overtime for a period when he in fact only worked three hours overtime. According to Town Comptroller Len Marchese, the error was reported to his office by the police department three days after the incorrect paycheck was issued, on November 30, and Lt. Schurek’s pay was adjusted in the next pay period to account for the overpayment, which totaled about $3,400.

The town has submitted about $5.3 million in vouchers to the Federal Emergency Management Agency for reimbursement as part of the federal emergency recovery effort, much of that in overtime salary costs for town employees.

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"Captain Pearce logged 92 hours of overtime during the storm. He was paid $138 per hour.

Lt. Schurek, however, logged the most hours, during the storm: approximately 122 hours during the emergency period, at a pay rate of $125.72 per hour. "


WOW.
By Mr. Z (11412), North Sea on May 10, 13 6:19 AM
How many of you taxpayers make 20 k in overtime in ten days to sit in an office? With their regular pay for the ten days these guys probably cost the taxpayers 30k each! Keep silent and you won't be able to afford living here. Come on Blank tell us why we should pay such crazy salaries.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 10, 13 7:36 AM
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Thank you to all emergency service workers for putting in the overtime during Sandy, and especially to the highway and utility crews. On the East End we were spared the worst of it, but the next one may not be so kind.

Chief1's general point about the municipal bankruptcies heading our way is well taken IMO.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 10, 13 8:06 AM
PS -- Don't forget about the full moon and spring tide high tide heading our way on June 23rd +/-.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 10, 13 8:07 AM
What about it? Unless there's a tropical storm to coincide with it - the effects will be minimal at best.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 9:21 AM
Piece of cake, Chief. There exists a legally negotiated labor contract. You don't like it? Sorry, that's life.
FWIW, this is common throughout the metro area, it is not just SHTPD.
Are those numbers mind boggling? Sure they are.
In your special world do you think you are going to change anything by blathering on and on about it here?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 9:45 AM
Nature you are correct. No harm in setting the radar's range to maximum.

PS -- BTW maybe get out of bed on the other side next time? By cranky!
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 10, 13 9:57 AM

Definitely. PPerhaps blathering on and on about the facts of STPD gang rape of taxpayers of this town will eventually allow the taxpayers who vote to say - ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, LET'S JUST PADLOCK THAT DEPARTMENT AND HAND OVER THE KEYS TO THE SUFFOLK POLICE DEPT!

That will not only be liberation but justice. That department is insane, precisely because they have such a big voice in the political process. Go Bridget.
By Obbservant (443), southampton on May 10, 13 11:00 AM
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214 hours of overtime in a two week period in addition to there 40 hour work week? I find that hard to believe, did they change there schedules just to cash in on the storm? For a storm who's major damage was on the western side of the island how can they justify this?? Seems like the people running the department are robbing the town blind. What is the town board doing about this?
By mrobin (119), North Sea on May 10, 13 8:22 AM
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Why was Pearce working? Where was Wilson? He was on vacation and when ordered to return, he resigned instead. So much for the honorable savior of the Southampton Police Dept.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 10, 13 10:40 AM
In the defense of some of the OT - I believe many police hours were required to deal with the many traffic lights throughout Town that were not functioning or were out completley for extended periods of time. Add to that additional traffic accidents, the posting of officers at roads that were closed due to damage and/or repairs/flooding and coordinating efforts with other municipalities I can see a legitimate reason for a spike.

I find it difficult to see a legitimate reason for two officers ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 9:28 AM
My last post had nothing to do with the police officers or supervisors on the street trying to help people, deal with power outages, property damage, and protect the residents while possibly risking there own well being. My problem is the two "top dogs" how just had to worry about a paper cut behind a desk in a warm building. They should not be getting overtime like that and ESP in that excess above there 40 hour week, come on....... There def seems to be a milking of the system with those types ...more
By mrobin (119), North Sea on May 10, 13 9:35 AM
We should be thanking Pearce for stepping up to the plate while then Chief Wilson went on vacation and left the town to struggle with the worst storm in history. In fact, the supervisor ordered Wilson to return to duty or resign. He chose to resign. Wilson cost the town 92 hours ofSOA overtime.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 10, 13 10:31 AM
Thank Pearce for what exactly..isn't that what the Town Board promoted him to do? No matter how you clowns try to portray Wilson's departure (and I work here too) the simple fact is that he retired..and who blames him really? You know damn well he was never coming back after dealing with all the debacles surrounding the Town, storm or no storm.

I'm sure that there were many administrative tasks for the Captain and Lieutenant to deal with during "the storm of the century". God knows the ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 9:19 PM
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"We should be thanking Pearce for stepping up to the plate" Yes, he stepped up like a pig at the trough. Thank god Lt Kiernan was not reinstated.... one can only imagine how much overtime he would have bilked the town for seeing that he apparently has a history of stealing from the town.

"The documents also included three felony charges and a misdemeanor charge prepared by former Chief William Wilson Jr. in 2012 against a police lieutenant, James Kiernan, for allegedly changing time sheets ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 11, 13 8:15 AM
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The problem is the salaries were never negotiated fairly. The always pandering politicians giving cops what they want with no resistance. Sure the cops do a good job but the pay is unsustainable. And Blank just because everyone else is doing it doesn't mean it should continue. 30k each for ten days work is outrageous!
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 10, 13 11:24 AM
Then rage against the machine Chief.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 11:56 AM
Let's assume, arguendo, that all the overtime was justified. We are still left with a monumental overtime bill from the cops ON TOP OF their already stupendous salaries. In this regard, the perspective of cop groupie, But I'm a blank!, is enlightening, to wit:

"Piece of cake, Chief. There exists a legally negotiated labor contract. You don't like it? Sorry, that's life. ... Are those numbers mind boggling? Sure they are. In your special world do you think you are going to change anything ...more
By highhatsize (4063), East Quogue on May 10, 13 12:18 PM
"we can reconstitute the STPD as a new-from -the-ground-up organization with a rational pay scale".

No, you can't. You should know that if that scenario ever were to happen, that SCPD would cost taxpayers more for the interim period, while you recruit elephant riding, pith helmeted Nepalese to patrol the streets of Southampton. You should also know, that under the state labor laws, the organization that you propose to replace STPD would be entitled to similar pay, benefits and work conditions ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 11, 13 1:56 PM
Quote from blank!:

"You should also know, that under the state labor laws, the organization that you propose to replace STPD would be entitled to similar pay, benefits and work conditions as surrounding police departments. It's the law, like it or not."

blank!, could you please provide a citation to the applicable NYS code section which mandates this?

Thank you.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 11, 13 6:07 PM
Federal grand jury or special prosecutor.

Put 'em all under oath.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 10, 13 12:24 PM
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What were these policeman doing? Maybe these guys were directing traffic, answering emergencies. It would be interesting to see a log of their activities, considering the whole world out here was batten down the hatches and stayed inside like I've never seen before in any emergency.Just curious what a shift entails working sixteen hours or more.
By Mets fan (1443), Southampton on May 10, 13 12:38 PM
Where is Malone the numbers guy? Lets do some math here: there are 336 hours in 14 days, he worked 40 hours regular time each week totaling 80 hours then in addition to that he worked 215 hours in overtime which totals 295 hours leaving a mere 41 hours that were not worked, which means that he only took 2.92 hours off each day for 14 days. Why is the numbers guy not concerned?
By sunnydays (43), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 1:39 PM
Sunny - spend less time on math and more on reading comprehension.

Total OT hours for BOTH officers was 214. Number of days for this OT was 10 (not 14). One officer logged 122, the other 92. They both work 40 hour weeks - however we are looking at a 10 day period, not a 14 day period. One can assume they had 4 "regular" days "off" during that 10 day period (i.e. Sat/Sun are off, M-F are worked, Sat/Sun are off, Monday is worked). That puts them at 48 regular hours worked + 92 and 122 ...more
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on May 10, 13 2:36 PM
Think of the Fire and EMS that worked those hours at no pay!
By tyspapa (10), Westhampton Beach on May 10, 13 7:42 PM
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Ha, for once a post worth reading twice.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 2:18 PM
Think of the Fire and EMS that worked those hours at no pay!
By tyspapa (10), Westhampton Beach on May 10, 13 7:44 PM
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The best thing about "First Contact" would be that the "God Argument" would be over. "Humanity" would have to handle, and deal with the fact it is not superior in the great expanse of existence.

Not just this bulls***, but all bulls*** would come to a complete, and sudden stop...
By Mr. Z (11412), North Sea on May 10, 13 11:58 PM
fuou812 - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

"More than half of the overtime hours logged by supervisors was racked up by the department’s commanding officer at the time, Captain Robert Pearce, who is now the department’s chief, and by Lieutenant Lawrence Schurek, who was the town’s emergency operations coordinator and liaison to the Suffolk County Office of Emergency Management. The two worked 214 hours of overtime in just over two weeks, in addition to their ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 11, 13 7:55 AM
From the bottom of the post above, this needs to be "above the fold" IMO.

“As to what we needed to do to address whatever issues there were that have led to this, I’ve got three words for you: Chief Robert Pearce,” Mr. Malone said."

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 11, 13 8:05 AM
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I'm glad you finally agree that we have Wilson to blame for all of this. As to his "felony" charges, he was told by the town administrator that that was a bookkeeping error and he went ahead with criminal charges anyway with the assistance of an individual who wanted Kiernan's job. The DA told him that those charges were ridiculous and to take a hike. Pleading guilty to 4 of 32 charges was a business decision since even being found innocent would cost more time. And, none of those plead out charges ...more
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 11, 13 9:01 AM
How do you know there is no federal investigations? Does the federal government now tell people they are investigating? Do you think they would tell the SHTPD the same people that like shredding papers that they are looking for something? The arrogance you speak with makes you sound like a cop. It's a shame that the 1 or 2% of the arrogant old guard at the SHTPD will ruin it for the rest of them.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 11, 13 9:53 AM
You think the DA thought Kiernan was innocent? Then why is the DA releasing criminals arrested by the task force he headed? Why have taxpayers paid hundreds of thousands for defending against lawsuits of the false arrested people? I hope you do out Wilsons companions, and the press writer this way people will see what thugs some of these guys are. People are fed up with the nonsense over at the PD.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 11, 13 10:30 AM
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Just some documentable facts........

The first civil suit brought by one of the released drug dealers was tossed out of court as reported by Tuesday on April 29th.

DA Spota said just because there were technical issues with the arrest does not mean the dealer was innocent and the civil judge concurred.

Again, FACTS, something one needs to have when taking a position.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 11, 13 1:50 PM
I did not say WIlson is to blame for "all of this" only his part in handing the police administration back to the corrupt people that are running it instead of staying the course and making it a respectable department.

As far as getting my facts straight and starting rumors, I would say you are the one spreading rumors. Unless of course you are the Bad Lt Kiernan how would you know?

All of my posts are factual from reports of media.

"He admitted to four of 32 charges he ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 11, 13 9:30 AM
Oh, you get your "facts" from the media you say. Well that explains why your "facts" are not "facts" at all since the media gets their "facts" from anonymous sources which cannot be challenged or disputed. So much for your "facts."
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 12, 13 12:17 PM
And by the way, I am not the bad LT but am an "anonymous source" close to the investigation. So I must be factual. Right Mr. Wright?
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 12, 13 12:20 PM
Power corrupts.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Put the whole lot under oath, and watch the squealing begin . . .
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 11, 13 11:25 AM
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Spot on PBR.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 2:19 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

Kindly post the NYS statute that mandates a municipality to provide pay and benefits to its p.d. equal to those in surrounding jurisdictions (and be sure to send a copy of the statute to the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department since those cops seem unaware that they are being shortchanged.)

You naughty boy, you are telling porkies again. You can only get away with that when you are swapping apocryphal anecdotes of Democratic impropriety with other reactionaries ...more
By highhatsize (4063), East Quogue on May 11, 13 3:21 PM
Certain aspects of "working conditions" are covered under state and federal law ie safety issues, length of work week etc. As far as pay is concerned the only statute is the minumum wage- there is nothing which guarantees pay rates comparable to surrounding jurisdictions ( witness the wide disparities in pay from town to town for other civil service titles)

Contract arbitrators use comparisons with surrounding areas but there is no law requiring comparable pay levels. nice try BLANK
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on May 11, 13 8:27 PM
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blank! ?
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 11, 13 8:31 PM
This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By dnice (2345), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 2:20 PM
To hat, PBR and CaptainSig,

Public Employees Fair Employment Act, New York State Civil Service Law (aka The Taylor Law)

Please see NYS Taylor Law Section 209 Sub 4, (c) (V) a through d.

To PBR: my apologies for not sitting here throughout the weekend. At 607PM you requested the above info, as I hadn't responded by 830 you saw fit to post a reminder. Again, my apologies. the play at Southampton Cultural Center had my attention, not your comments.

To hat: Put ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 9:18 AM
Actually blank!, my second post was intended solely to have you reply at the bottom of the page, not way up in the middle. Sorry for the extreme trouble I caused you!

If Southampton Town is forced into bankruptcy, and the union contracts don't survive the process, is the Town under any NYS statutory obligation to have their new police contract match surrounding municipalities?

Thanks.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 12, 13 11:39 AM
Not an attorney here PBR, (but I did fix a Japanese transmission once) so I have no clue.

However, having said that, this idea of bankruptcy was started on another thread and has no basis, that I am aware of, are you?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 3:33 PM
Good one about the tranny.

The bankruptcy hypothetical was meant to illustrate that there are situations which can break a union contract. IMO SHT is headed that way but not soon probably.

Also, remember Pres. Regan hiring non-union FAA air traffic controllers? (After a strike?)
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 12, 13 3:49 PM
"Pride goeth before a fall" is one phrase that comes to mind . . .
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 12, 13 3:49 PM
Indeed I do. Public employees in NYS are prohibited from striking, I would think ,( but do not know the statute) that prohibits feral employees from doing the same. PATCO went on strike mere months after President Reagan was sworn in. He had received their endorsement in the 1980 elections. He was essentially "the new sheriff in town" and had no choice but to fire them, his message was not to PATCO, but to the world as it was his first chance to show his "stuff" Current air traffic controllers are ...more
May 12, 13 4:06 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
"feral" should be "federal"
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 4:06 PM
"feral" -- can't top that one for a good laugh!

Enjoy the rest of the day -- gorgeous out.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 12, 13 4:57 PM
Not only do you have the Taylor Laws you have the cops embedded in the Republican system. It is time to disband, and contract with the county Sheriffs or state police. By the way Blank the first case of a released drig dealer has cost the town more than 50 k. That case is not over like you think. They can appeal it and potentially go to the Supreme Court which would cost millions. Not to mention there are potentially dozen more suits on there way. Taxpayers have no benefit keeping this force.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 12, 13 10:40 AM
OK Chief, you've gone from "hundreds of thousands of dollars" to 50K.

Can you show us how you came to this number?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 3:28 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

The Taylor Law section which you cite pertains to the criteria to be considered when arbitrating public employment contracts. In no way does it mandate cop pay.

What is DOES prophecy is that a p.d. that starts out with a rational pay scale will eventually become stupendously overcompensated if, over the years, the cops press the advantage conferred by this law in contract negotiations.

However, at that point, if history repeats, the town can "reboot" ...more
By highhatsize (4063), East Quogue on May 12, 13 12:52 PM
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Would you be so kind as to show a link as to where your scenario of "reboot" occurred?

I imagine your last sentence refers to all police department throughout Nassau and Suffolk, as the pay rates are at least competitive with each other.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 12, 13 3:26 PM
I'm not sure if this is what HHH is referring to but I remember maybe 10 years ago a major metropolitan police dept (I think it was either Boston or New York City) reduced the starting pay for its officers to $25,000/year.

Nice bluff with the Taylor Law , Blank, as usual HHH called it. Swing and a Miss!!!
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on May 12, 13 9:34 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

Note that I said, "principally". The unique degeneracy exhibited by the STPD is produced by its underlying certainty of invulnerability coupled with the abnegation of oversight by a a supine, subservient and complicit town board. Elected officials in other jurisdictions have not fallen prey to subornation by the police as have ours.

Should Southampton Town burden its residents with an enormous bill for police services because PBA lawyers in nearby municipalities ...more
By highhatsize (4063), East Quogue on May 13, 13 1:04 AM
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Sig and Hat,
What is obvious Sig is that you did not have the attention span to read the source cited. Hat, your scenario of firing the STPD and replacing them the next day ( or even with an interim period of SCPD) doesn't hold water.
The Taylor Law provides for:
Cops to form a union
Union entitled to negotiate a contract
Should the negotiation process fail
Mediation, fact finding, then binding arbitration
Under binding arbitration, the panel SHALL use surrounding jurisdictions ...more
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 13, 13 11:55 AM
Blank- The salary reduction I was referring to was not a result of a negotiated contract- it was a result of a binding arbitration decision- that was the point. As far as the Taylor Law goes- it does not apply only to police officers but to all (or most) public service employees and its main purpose is to forbid these workers from striking. And an arbitrator is not required to award pay raises compatible to surrounding/similar job titles, but to use them as comparisons. Big difference.

And ...more
By CaptainSig (711), Dutch Harbor on May 16, 13 6:25 AM
Getting so tired of reading all of this. Wilson is gone and good riddance! He came from a podunk little village and was in way over his head. The Town PD ran just fine before him and will run better now that he is gone because of the good cops that have always been there.
Wilson was making mountains out of mole hills and when he was told he was wrong he went crying to anyone that would listen. What kind of leader is that?! Overton and Tenaglia knew how to handle things and keep it quiet. Pearce ...more
By hugoistay (1), Oakdale on May 12, 13 3:16 PM
It's time to "out" the so-called confidential sources that Mr. Wright has been talking to. Of course we have Wislon but he has since come out of the closet. Next we have 2 retired Southampton Police officers, Peter Bernagozzi and Matt Helmstead. Both ar
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 13, 13 9:35 AM
are have retired on disability pensions and pay no tax. Bernagozzi double dips by working for the sheriff while Helmstead is the boyfriend of a current Southampton Sgt. who Wilson promised a promotion. The final few "confidential sources" are current members of the department who will soon be exposed and be criminally charged with tampering with evidence.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 13, 13 9:39 AM
Thanks for the details..

Put them all under oath (including the SHT Town Board and Supv.) in a federal grand jury or special prosecutor action, and watch the squeezing begin.

IMO
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 13, 13 10:48 AM
"Squealing" but auto-complete did not hurt!
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 13, 13 10:50 AM
Agreed, put everyone under oath and let the truth come out. It is long overdue!

fuou812 - "It's time to "out" the so-called confidential sources that Mr. Wright has been talking to." Were the sources supplying misinformation and 27east publishing lies or were they just confidential sources?

hugoistay - Let's just start with wow, this town needs help.

"Wilson was making mountains out of mole hills and when he was told he was wrong he went crying to anyone that would listen" ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 13, 13 1:34 PM
to But I'm a blank!:

Your naked assertion that disbanding the STPD "does not hold water" is inane. You can cite nothing in law or reason to oppose it. Greenport disbanded its force over ten years ago without subsequent trauma.

Once again, you dwell on arbitration provisions in the Taylor Law as if they were germane to the question of dissolution. They are not. They are relevant only if the current STPD is kept on the payroll.

Upon replacing the interim Suffolk County ...more
By highhatsize (4063), East Quogue on May 13, 13 2:23 PM
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Disbanding was not the point of the debate. It was in regards to the points of the Taylor Law, and the method that has driven salaries to their current levels.
Now once again, look at your tax bill, what do you pay more for, Fire Services Ambulance, or Police? All of this based on a town board meeting, geez

Nice of you to admit that my assertions on the Taylor Law is accurate, dude.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 13, 13 2:45 PM
In fact, Hat's point WAS only about disbanding just to get you two back on your separate pages, please. IMO. In this regard, the Greenport example seems on point, does it not? Yes, residents of the Village of Greenport probably then had higher Southold Town property taxes to pay, but no PD line item in their Village Budget.

Why, blank!, could not a similar move happen to the SHT PD?
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 13, 13 3:07 PM
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That being the case, i.e. disbanding versus the arbitration system, I'll take a bite of a crow sandwich and express my apologies. Could the same situation as in Greenport happen here? I guess, under the right circumstances, but the likely replacement department would be SCPD, and we would see an increase in PD taxes.
However, if the idea is to disband, have an interim PD then reorganize at a lower salary scale, it would be a futile effort. The first thing the union representing the new PD would ...more
May 13, 13 5:06 PM appended by But I'm a blank!
Apology retracted, per hat: to But I'm a blank!: Kindly post the NYS statute that mandates a municipality to provide pay and benefits to its p.d. equal to those in surrounding jurisdictions (and be sure to send a copy of the statute to the Suffolk County Sheriff's Department since those cops seem unaware that they are being shortchanged.) The topic changed when Hat asked the question.( And at the same time accused me of being a right wing website blogger) My responses from that time on were in regards to arbitration which REQUIRES an award be similar in terms to surrounding jurisdictions. Spitting out the crow sammich as well.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 13, 13 5:06 PM
Blank the problem with the police force are the future taxes not the present.The future contributions for police officers retirement is going to triple in the next couple years. Only a cop would think there is nothing wrong with the system.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 13, 13 2:57 PM
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I know I will regret asking the obvious question Chief, but any chance you can cite a source for your tripling pension costs? Again this is a statewide issue, not just pertaining to STPD.

While you're at it, some more info please on the 50K (down from hundreds of thousands) cost for the recent civil case re the drug dealer?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 13, 13 5:09 PM
Since you like using the Southampton press as the Bible of your information you can check back and see the Town Board allocated $50,000 for the lawsuit. I'm tired of doing your homework for you . Why don't you disprove the fact that pension costs will be rising 2 to 3 times in the next five to ten years
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 13, 13 5:51 PM
Well you started at hundreds of thousands of dollars, then dropped it to 50K.

Doing my homework? You have NEVER cited a source when asked to.

You fabricate what you type.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 13, 13 11:45 PM
I called the town and in the minutes the town board allocated 50k to defend the lawsuit, and they aren't finished. When they are done with all the suits it will be hundreds of thousands.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 14, 13 10:15 AM
Good job!
Now if the first one was dismissed, and if others are for the same reason, you'll be at a lost for something to complain about on this issue.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 14, 13 10:43 AM
The point remains, blank!, that the entire SHT PD SNAFU is still a "real mess" as the Press said in an editorial, and cleaning up the mess will be expensive.

Period.

Why you and chief1 have to quibble over the details of the mess seems a bit myopic IMO, or maybe your screen name is meant to convey some additional perspective?
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 14, 13 11:55 AM
Nope screen name only refers to my voter registration.

I "quibble" with Chief when he makes things up, then refuses to back up what he states.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on May 14, 13 4:50 PM
How do you know the suit is over? There are other lawsuits in the pipeline and thi s could cost the town millions at the end of the day. Plus we now have criminals on the street who threaten peoples well being, because of the SHTPD's negligance. Anyone who blames Wilson for this is plain ignorant.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 15, 13 6:58 AM
None of the lawsuits will be successful since all the arrests were legal. The reversals came about because of legal technicalities during the plea bargain proceedings. This was just another of Wilson's many lies to the board and the press. The 50,000 dollars is another debt that should be charged to Wilson and his pals.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 14, 13 12:02 PM
Wilson took an internal personnel issue and ran to the media and the DA hoping to get a member fired before doing a real investigation. That investigation would have shown he was incorrect and being misled. And when that failed, he tried to fire the individual internally. That too failed because the facts did not support his allegations. He then went on vacation during the worst storm in history and refused to return when ordered to do so. He then quit. Yes I blame Wilson for everything and anyone ...more
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 15, 13 9:49 AM
Abusing prescription drugs on the job is not serious? Hurricane Sandy was the worst storm in history on the East End? Does this town drug test it's employees? Its obviious you or your husband had a run in with Wilson, and I hope your not a cop with such a bad sense of right and wrong.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 16, 13 7:07 AM
Wilson goes on vacation and refuses to return when ordered to do so by the supervisor and you question whether it was the worst storm in East End history. OMG, does that really make a difference? OK then, how about one of the worst storms on Long Island? Does that make it any better? This guy was a controversial chief with the village and came to the town with a personal agenda. When he realized that agenda wasn't going to materialize, he quit. And no, his agenda had nothing to do with making the ...more
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 16, 13 9:25 AM
It appears you are the one with an agenda..

Wilson was never "ordered" to retun from his vacation. With the amount of overtime paid to Department brass I'm sure the Town was well cared for. And yes, the storm was significant in our region. I would hardly characterize it as the storm if the century, especially for the east end. Katrina, that was a storm for the centuries.

From the various rants you have posted concerning the PD and Wilson you clearly are disturbed by the attention ...more
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 16, 13 10:02 AM
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By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 16, 13 11:10 AM
Lt Kiernan seems to be responsible for all the "bad press" as you call it. Prisoners released, lawsuits, and DA investigations do not happen because of bad press. Lt Kiernan, like all the cops, gets paid a lot of money. 73 days pay penalty was probably very costly as well as his admitting guilt.
"Pleading guilty to the four disciplinary charges satisfied 28 remaining counts, many of which dealt with Lt. Kiernan’s oversight of the Street Crime Unit. He was forced to give up 73 days of sick, ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 16, 13 11:41 AM
Stay focused here. Wilson was either ordered to, asked to, begged to, suggested to or sent a note to return during the storm. He refused and then quit and if you continue to get your "facts" from newsprint, your credibility is in serious doubt. Read the articles carefully. They refer to "sources close to the investigation." These sources are the lying Wlson and his pals. Not sure why my other post haws removed but I guess I touched a nerve.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 17, 13 9:27 AM
Why don't you stay focused, as opposed to spinning your tall tales and personal attacks. You are clearly a disgruntled former employee that Wilson rid either the Town or Village of!

You have no credibility due to the fact that you have no idea what your talking about. (as stunningly demonstrated above) Your posts are exactly what is wrong with Internet forums..just a stump for anonymous feces tossing.

The AG should look into fraudulent pensions, all of them.
By Disgustedwithyou (36), Hampton Bays on May 17, 13 3:53 PM
Where are your "facts"? You are just rambling without any basis since Lt Kiernan is the self admitted and confirmed liar. I have no idea why Southampton Town would keep someone in the department that lies to internal affairs.

By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 17, 13 11:05 AM
Maybe the NYS Attorney General should start to look into those bogus 3/4 retirements that some Southampton cops have been enjoying for years. A couple of pictures should do the trick. Stay tuned.
By fuou812 (59), Oakdale on May 17, 13 2:41 PM
Put 'em all under oath in a federal grand jury or special prosecution (including the SHT Board past, present, and future), and let the squealing begin.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 17, 13 2:46 PM
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fuou812 - I as well as most of the other posters here would welcome the NYS Attorney General or US Attorney to come in a clean the mess up.

With the content of your posts I would assume that you would have to be a town board member or Lt Kiernan to have that knowledge.
"As to his "felony" charges, he was told by the town administrator that that was a bookkeeping error and he went ahead with criminal charges anyway with the assistance of an individual who wanted Kiernan's job. The DA ...more
By OU812 (161), East Quogue on May 17, 13 4:12 PM
I know 4 cops on disability 2 of them are great golfers, and one has a nice importing business. Bring a camera, and you can see the fleecing of America.
By chief1 (2737), southampton on May 17, 13 4:22 PM
Speaking of handicaps, the US Attorney could hit them where it really hurts, and take away their handicapped parking permits at the golf course!
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 17, 13 5:05 PM
Now if only Captain Sig would post a clever reply, it might be par for the course to say:

"Handy, Cap!"

Have a good weekend.
By PBR (4928), Southampton on May 17, 13 5:08 PM
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