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Sep 24, 2014 1:13 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Hampton Bays Residents Blast Board, Again, Over Illegal Housing

Sep 24, 2014 1:34 PM

For the second time in as many months, Hampton Bays residents unleashed a deluge of criticism at members of the Southampton Town Board for what they claimed was inattentiveness to their complaints about overcrowded and illegal housing that is driving up their taxes, driving down their property values and driving out their middle-class neighbors.

Board members fired back, pointing to a long list of summonses, court cases and even an arrest that stemmed from town code enforcement officers sweeping the hamlet for landlords breaking laws governing occupancy and safety standards at houses. And board members said that residents should continue to see improvements in the housing situation in the hamlet as landlords are forced to come into compliance by higher fines and more aggressive enforcement efforts by the reorganized Code Enforcement division and the hiring of a new special prosecutor, approved by the Town Board on Tuesday.

Residents were placated little by Supervisor Anna Throne-Holst and other board members, saying they have seen little or no evidence of town action against illegal housing.

“The people of Hampton Bays are feeling a great sense of disappointment about the follow-through by the town, as witnessed by the fact that there are still motels that are being used as permanent residences,” Phyllis Campisi said. “These travesties affect our quality of life, our taxes certainly and our schools. If you want to attract young couples to a community, you have to have good schools.”

“When you were elected you were charged with upholding the laws of Southampton—in Hampton Bays you have failed to do that,” Julie Lofstad added. “You have failed in such an epic way that our schools are bursting at the seams, our tax base shrinks as our taxes increase, and our school population skyrockets. Hampton Bays is going to implode.”

Ms. Lofstad continued by saying that the fines that the town hands out to landlords for violating various occupancy and safety codes are too low to impact those who are making large amounts of money by relying on houses rented to large numbers of people.

The leaders of the Concerned Citizens of Hampton Bays, a residents group, lamented that even though their group presented the town with a list of some 580 properties that were violating town rental requirements more than two years ago, they have seen little evidence of action. A year ago, the number of properties in violation they presented to the town had grown to 630.

Mike Dunn, president of the CCHB, said the group’s research has shown that 62 kids attending the Hampton Bays School District have illegal hotels and motels listed as their residence. At an average cost of $23,000 per student, those kids cost the district taxpayers $1.2 million a year to educate, he estimated.

Ms. Throne-Holst countered that the residents’ criticisms were misplaced and factually wrong. She ticked off a list of the town’s actions in the past year, including the addition of two full-time code enforcement officers and another proposed in 2015, six Supreme Court “actions” this past summer, 10 trials in Southampton Town Justice Court of Hampton Bays landlords and one jail sentence for a landlord. Additionally, she said that 110 defendants had been issued summonses in Hampton Bays alone, and pointed to a doubling of the fines for rental code violations that she said has brought in $294,000 in revenue in 2014. She also noted that the town would be adding a special prosecutor, at a cost of $30,000, solely to help with the prosecution of landlords.

“It seems the core of this issue is your school taxes,” the supervisor said. “We need to speak very frankly about the root causes here. I’m not known to quote [former Councilman] Chris Nuzzi very often, but he said it best many years ago. When zoning was put in place in Hampton Bays, it allowed mostly middle-class working families to buy out here, and today we live with fallout of that.”

She pointed to the facts that the majority of Hampton Bays’ housing lots are small, at less than one acre, and that small, affordable houses attract less affluent, year-round residents who send their children to the public school, while other areas have a greater percentage of part-time residents, higher property values and lower school budgets.

The angry opponents objected loudly to her characterization of the problem, saying that the makeup of Hampton Bays’ residential neighborhoods wasn’t a problem until overcrowded housing became an issue.

Ms. Throne-Holst pleaded with them to understand that building cases against the hotel owners is a difficult and time-consuming process that the town is aggressively pursuing. She also reiterated that the changes in code enforcement efforts would begin to show dividends more clearly over time.

“It may be worse now than it was two years ago because the tide is working against us,” she said. “But you need to be educated about what we are doing. It may not be enough, but there are certain things we can and can’t do. There is not a single complaint today that we are not dealing with.”

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Thank goodness for the CCHB. Hampton Bays needs all the help they can get. So many illegal rentals and housing, all falling on the backs of hardworking and honest taxpayers. It won't be long until another school is needed. Once a place where property was more affordable, that savings is quickly being depleted by enormous property and school taxes. But nobody in town hall seems to give a damn.
By Lets go mets (331), Southampton on Sep 24, 14 7:24 PM
I have a solution. No one wants to hear it, but it would put a dent in "illegal" things. Who uses cash the most frequently when you're on line at a store?

Stop using cash.

Good luck with that solution, by the way...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 24, 14 7:44 PM
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Code enforcement needs to be knocking on doors from 8pm to midnight every night when people are actually home. These officers can easily justify their salaries if they drove around at night, not during the day when everyone is out working.
By unjustifiedjustice2 (35), Hampton bays on Sep 24, 14 11:22 PM
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maybe the school taxes wouldn't be so high if they stopped building tennis courts that no one uses
By CaptainSig (665), Dutch Harbor on Sep 25, 14 8:14 AM
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Dont take away from our kids.
By LongIslander (43), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 14 10:13 PM
I truly understand homelessness but why in the world does Good Ground Cemetery allow a 'tent city'?? These people certainly need a roof and I feel terrible even commenting that they are there (if the police aren't aware of them) but omg I didn't buy a plot to visit the grave seeing dozens of homeless in tents!
By hamptonette (6), Southampton on Sep 25, 14 12:37 PM
The problem is not that Hampton Bays has small lots or a large number of affordable houses. The problem is we have three or four families in each house sending children to our school system and 62 students living in transient motel housing sending people to our schools. If someone rents a one family house that has a rental permit and sends children to school that's fine and legal. When greedy landlords load up the house with illegal rentals and over tax the schools and support structure that is ...more
By Ernie (77), Hampton Bays on Sep 25, 14 1:47 PM
To quote from an article last week in Newsday, "in the Barrios of Mexico the dream is to live in Hampton Bays". On my small dead end block we have an 800 sq ft home with 22 people on a cesspool system. We have larger other houses with no cars in the day but 8 and 9 cars and trucks in the evening. We keep electing the same politicians we are going to get the same result. When you have 20 people living in a home paying $100 a week for a bed, there is no limit on the price that can be paid for a home. ...more
By Dr Spock (36), Hampton Bays on Sep 25, 14 2:13 PM
Do the math, one mommy times 3.3 kids times $23, 000 per year times 13 years in school. Times 1,000 mommies equals one billion. 2 percent tax cap equals goodbye Hampton Bays.


By TheTurtle (127), Southampton on Sep 25, 14 8:34 PM
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Hampton Bays, the forgotten Hampton. Anna this is your second term. Do something. Stop talking in circles. Let's get rid of the slums and slumlords.
Our schools have kids living in these houses that have 4 or five families living in them with 3 or more kids per mother and one on the way.
There are kids in our school system that were put here by the federal government without parents. Who knows what they brought with them in disease.
Oh, we have another nail saloon. That makes ...more
By LongIslander (43), HAMPTON BAYS on Sep 25, 14 10:53 PM
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The only way to get a handle on the school tax issue is to make those using the resource at least partially responsible. Now the pain is shared by all based on house value and I would not like to see that completely abandoned. However if there was a levy for each child sent to public school from a given address in addition to their general share off the levy it would make the system and landlords accountable for their rental practices. An amount of $1000.00 or $1500.00 per child per year would not ...more
By bird (708), Southampton on Sep 26, 14 12:09 PM
How was YOUR education financed, bird? I don't suppose you or your family had a problem then.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Sep 26, 14 12:38 PM
Bird - so are you proposing to increase the school budget or decrease the school budget? If you are keeping the budget the same, AND charging homes that send kids to school per child, you are increasing the budget.

If you are proposing to keep the budget the same, but add a special tax to homes for the children they are sending - the cost per child would be way more than $1000/$1500. It doesn't work economically.

Furthermore, what happens if a family moves around during the ...more
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Sep 26, 14 12:53 PM
I like your idea. I think if you generally start making the parents and landlords more accountable for the cost of schools then there may be more caution on both of their parts. The school taxes should be proportionally higher for them than for those property owners that have no children in the system or for those that are actual residents and owners of the property. Of course, I realize that it is not so simple but something better than passing the buck and the problem on to the rest of the community. ...more
By Toma Noku (616), uptown on Sep 26, 14 4:57 PM
That is why all the residents in a school district get to vote on budgets. There's no reason to "penalize" people who have children
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Sep 27, 14 9:50 AM
VOS - I went to public school till 3rd grade when my parents moved me to a small local faith based school. My parents were not wealthy. My father was a blue collar worker and my mother a homemaker and they paid both school taxes and our tuition.
Nature - The budget would be whatever the voters approved and I don't expect the parents to pay the full cost of their kids education, only a user fee for the services of around 5%. What is collected on the user fees would be deducted from the bottom ...more
By bird (708), Southampton on Sep 27, 14 12:01 PM
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I'm all for an adult discussion.

I understand your concept - but do not see its practicality. Furthermore, if one of the biggest plagues on school taxes and people not paying their fair share is multiple families living under one roof and/or "illegals" sending their kids to school, do you really believe that they along with their scofflaw landlords would pay the price? Sounds like more of a burden would be placed on those that play by the rules.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Sep 29, 14 9:13 AM
Nature - It may not be a perfect solution but every child registered has an address. If the fee is folded into the property tax bill there is no opportunity for landlords, etc to opt out.
By bird (708), Southampton on Sep 30, 14 8:37 AM
nature you are always quick to complain but like the trade parade toll booth soulution we all came up with last year, You will second guess anything to death
By They call me (2420), southampton on Sep 30, 14 11:14 AM
Looking at everything with rose colored glasses accomplishes nothing. Sorry for bringing reality into the conversation
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Sep 30, 14 11:53 AM
Nature - The reality is we can't afford to leave the system the way it is. The only way to solve any problem is to force the people creating it to bear at least some of the burden for what they have done or are doing. It's easy to say, "Oh that won't work" but then you also need to contribute to the solution and the status quo is not the solution.
By bird (708), Southampton on Oct 1, 14 3:08 PM
Well, we have been affording the current system... I don't see proof it's unsustainable. Things are way better in our Towns than they are in Brookhaven.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 2, 14 9:07 AM
Nature - Many people are not affording the current system and for those people it is unsustainable. When school taxes alone are double digit percentages of a households GROSS income it is a quality of life issue. Fix the roof or put food on the table. This is especially galling to a single person with no kids getting taxed out of his home while the rental house next door is putting 10 kids on the bus at a cost to taxpayers of a quarter million dollars a year. Sorry for bringing reality into the ...more
By bird (708), Southampton on Oct 3, 14 2:57 PM
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Well, I think this is all President Obama's fault.
By whatapity (106), Tuckahoe on Sep 26, 14 12:58 PM
Too may illegals! Time for each "student" and parents to prove legal immigration status before being able to attend school. Time to take of the gloves people.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Sep 26, 14 5:21 PM
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That's right Phil we give things for free like a bunch of big shots. We have 18 trillion in debt and we still spend. It is irresponsible to facilitate these people we can't afford them. Unfortunately the only way our borders will close is when a terrorist crosses the border and harms innocent Americans. Until then we will remain a bunch of liberal baffoons
By chief1 (2516), southampton on Sep 27, 14 2:03 PM
Really phil the principles of this nation are to spend monies we don't have? The founders of this country left England, because they were being taxed to death. We need to get our own house in order instead of being the world's savior and the world's cop. Catholic charities is promoting this nonsense, and funding it.
This country was founded by gun toting, anti tax pioneers. Look at Europe if you want to see what the results of an open policy are. A lowering of living standards, welfare benefits ...more
By chief1 (2516), southampton on Sep 28, 14 8:25 AM
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The solution locally isn't to tax families by the kid, nor is it to raise taxes on the wealthy. If they live here, there's nothing the schools themselves can do, there are laws that say they must educate the kids. Overcrowded homes and hotels rented for long term use violate zoning laws. The solution is for the town to just do the job they are supposed to do. I don't understand why it is so difficult.
By lamm (304), Southampton on Sep 29, 14 7:29 PM
So basically your solution is to do nothing and allow the school districts to continue taxing people out of their homes.
By bird (708), Southampton on Sep 30, 14 4:57 PM
I'm not sure where you got that from...the solution is for the town to do the job they are supposed to do, which is enforce our laws on overcrowded homes!
By lamm (304), Southampton on Oct 3, 14 10:50 PM
Phil, the US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world already!! Why do you think companies organize themselves overseas??!! As for the evil 1% , they already pay the majority of income taxes already too. The problem is not having enough revenue, the problem is TOO MUCH SPENDING! Herre's a question for you, how much , in your opinion should the corporations and the "1%" be taxed and what would be done with the funds?
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Sep 30, 14 6:55 AM
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You're just not smart enough to:

A. Realize why those "lower" rates exist in other countries

B. When you take home a far higher, and vastly disproportionate amount of the nation's income you will "pay the majority of income taxes". (*At last tally (2010 census), 71% of individuals in this nation grossed 50k or less per annum. Just use your vast spatial reasoning skills to wrap your mind around that)

C. Our national infrastructure receives a grade of D-. Apparently whatever ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 8:18 AM
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Did anyone notice how quickly this story was brushed under the rug on the 27 East home page ?
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Sep 30, 14 11:31 AM
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You also need to look at how much is siphoned off in DC to enrich the unproductive
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 10:19 AM
A. The other countries realize that attracting business by lowering corporate rates equates to more jobs and more tax revenue due to increased business activity, something our Marxist in Chief fails to recognize.
B. "Disproportionate" amount of the nation's income?! Do tell, what proportion of the nation's income should be earned by the evil 1%? There is nothing stopping an able bodied person from bettering themselves financially, hard work and living within ones' means are a start, a second ...more
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Sep 30, 14 8:36 AM
A. Nice. Proof you know nothing about Marx. He actually defended capitalism, but decried it's ills. If you look at daily life in his era, the "middling sorts" were oppressed by a power structure which left them in destitution and poverty despite at least a seventy or eighty hour work week. Kind of like people who work three jobs today, struggle with poverty, and die while napping in their car.

B. More propaganda. Income inequality is higher now than during the American Revolution ...more
Sep 30, 14 9:09 AM appended by Mr. Z
“America’s CEOs—as exemplified by the individuals of these companies—are cannibalizing their own consumer base.” ~ Richard Trumka
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 9:09 AM
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And I rest my case. ^^^^^^^

"The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about."

~ Wayne Dyer


"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe."

~ Frederick Douglass


Sep 30, 14 9:30 AM appended by Mr. Z
"Weakness is what brings ignorance, cheapness, racism, homophobia, desperation, cruelty, brutality, all these things that will keep a society chained to the ground, one foot nailed to the floor." ~ Henry Rollins
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 9:30 AM
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Wow, Z and Phil got all bent out of shape when you insulted the father of communism, (see : The Communist Manifesto / Das Kapital)

Who would have seen that coming...

You two are exactly what you clam to be. just like Barak, Elizabeth and Bernie

By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Sep 30, 14 11:24 AM
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....Nice work Joe
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Sep 30, 14 4:05 PM
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Stalin, nor Göring have redeeming qualities. Marx is the father of modern Social Science. And joe, stuff a sock in it; Marx was far smarter than you could dream of being. When you have a society which achieves level one on the Kardashev scale, pure unfettered capitalism and it's most heinous abuses would have to be done away with for such an event to occur. It would require knowledge, education, cooperation, and technology on a level which we cannot achieve the way our society is currently ...more
Sep 30, 14 5:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
@marlin: Nobody's perfect, not even you.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 5:09 PM
mr z, I think you just about admitted being a communist there, so why not come out and say it? Its obvious you pine for the fall of the republic and capitalism, you seem much more comfortable with a socially engineered society a progressive tax and redistribution of wealth.

some of us still believe in america exceptionalism, personal responsibility and hard work, sorry if you have given up on the american dream but we have not! so seriously maybe you would be more happy in a place like ...more
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Sep 30, 14 8:24 PM
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OK erin, let's see how smart you are.

Answer the question.
Sep 30, 14 9:25 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just FYI, my values are more aligned with Teddy Roosevelt than anyone else you may cite from the "Red Camp". I believe in "Trust Busting", that corporations are not people, the founding value of this country that corporations have no place in civic life, the founding value that lobbyists should not exist, and just for reference we are a Republic "ab nomen" only. You currently reside in an Oligarchy where your government is bought and paid for with scant exception. If you doubt that last statement, obviously you haven't been paying attention...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 9:25 PM
And from the sound of your above post, you'd call Teddy a communist too. He was one of the first to put forward the system of a progressive income tax. You'd be surprised how American some of the things you cite you stand against actually are.
Sep 30, 14 9:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
Mea culpa, I was in a rush earlier: "ab nomine"
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 9:41 PM
American Imperialism, and hunting for sport as well as trophies and specimens for museum exhibits.

He was a man of his times. If you didn't compare him to the present day society, you'd look like less of a fool...
Sep 30, 14 10:34 PM appended by Mr. Z
History is not just dates and facts. Truly learning history means examining daily life.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Sep 30, 14 10:34 PM
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We haven't had "unfettered" capitalism in over 100 years
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 2, 14 6:26 PM
Love the avatar Captain
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 2, 14 6:28 PM
Teddy was the sportsman and hunter, cousin Franklin D slaughtered on a mass scale for some misguided Keynsian notion
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 9:43 AM
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But let his pal Uncle Joe run away with Poland, a better ally than France was
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 10:35 AM
Labor Participation Rate Drops To 36 Year Low; Record 92.6 Million Americans Not In Labor Force
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 3, 14 11:35 AM
Actually, Winston was the only one pf the 3 that advocated at all for Poland, but was essentially outvoted. The Poles fought like champs in every end of the European theater starting with the battle of Britain. They even fought under the Soviet army, took the lead in to Germany, then were shot in the back by the Russians for their trouble.
The Polish underground makes the French look half hearted. And under much worse conditions.
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 3:43 PM
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Z, you do realize a republic does not necessarily allow for direct democracy I hope. See Hamilton in "The Federalst"

What you miss is that corporations can't buy influence if politicians have less of it to sell. The big centralized government and bloated regulatory regime is what leads to your oligarchy. Corporations are just the same being shaken down by politicians selling favors and exemptions.
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 3:53 PM
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i did not mean any disrespect mr. z, it just seems you do not feel any patriotism to this country and its history so i was truly suggesting you might find a socialist system more friendly to you belief system.
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 1, 14 12:19 PM
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Seems to me she was just pointing out the obvious
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 1, 14 2:02 PM
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Respect is earned Philly. While Mr Z is a student of history, his views on our current economic system , capitalism, leads one to believe he is a communist.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 1, 14 2:48 PM
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The version of capitalism I decry is the same which great leaders of this country have as well. It is the same system which has self destructed almost two dozen times in the last 238 years.

"Horse and sparrow", " Mellonomics", "trickle down", " Reaganomics"; they're all the same thing:

Horse**** economics.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 1, 14 8:44 PM
The version of capitalism we have today is great, if you're willing to WORK , especially if you're willing to take the risks associated with starting your own business catering to the wealthiest among us.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 2, 14 8:25 AM
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By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 2, 14 9:27 AM
I don't go tanning tanning anymore because Obama put a 10-percent tax on tanning. I feel like he did that intentionally for us. McCain would never put a 10-percent tax on tanning because he's pale and he would probably want to be tan. Obama doesn't have that problem, obviously.
– Snooki
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 2, 14 10:24 AM
That "red ink" was apparently too much truth to handle. You really would have made a great Federalist. In fact, you really are one. People can cater and sell out to their heart's content. There are people who work just as hard as you, but do not benefit from the same economic conditions this microcosm affords. It doesn't work on a broad scale as it stands. The evidence is incontrovertible. Your belief in it is a belief in horse****, and ignores the plight of millions of your fellow citizens ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 2, 14 5:04 PM
Z is right, there is an unmistakable oligarchy in place. However it has little to do with true capitalism. We have too big to fail businesses protected and bailed out by the political classes who in turn become extremely wealthy while in office via campaign donations (and the campaign hiring close relatives at exorbitant salaries), and exempting themselves from insider trading laws, and acting on information they are privy to in their elected office. The recent economic downturn has its roots in ...more
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 2, 14 6:23 PM
Mozilo did no jail time whatsoever. As far as irresponsible borrowing, CRA loans were less than 6% of the bubble in the consumer market, and there was a massive bubble in the commercial market as well where the CRA has no influence. No one was "forced" to lend to unqualified borrowers in the commercial sector. The root of the problem was and is how securitization is handled. The rule should be that if an institution makes a loan, they are responsible for it cradle to grave for the full term ...more
Oct 2, 14 8:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
And just for reference, if the droughts in places like Cali continue, we're going to need all the fertile farmland we can lay our hands on. You can't eat tax money...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 2, 14 8:27 PM
Wrong, A study by the Boston Fed in the early 90s found racial discrimination in home lending by banks. Those banks were then required to make more loans to minorities. What they overlooked was that previously, default rates were exactly the same regardless of race, proving banks were relying on sound credit practices, and not discrimination. As more loans were made to people with bad credit, default rates took the expected trajectory. Additionally a whole alphabet soup of agencies GMAs has exited ...more
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 10:15 AM
I will agree with some of that, No one should be to big to fail
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 3, 14 11:37 AM
Admittedly there was some "forced" lending. However it really was minimal, and any use of it is a distraction from the real problem with securitization. Was/is it a problem? Yes. But, once again it's a distraction from the real issues.

If the rules aren't important, why did the CFTC change the definition of a physical hedger clandestinely?
Oct 3, 14 1:44 PM appended by Mr. Z
If you haven't seen the William K. Black interview with Bill Moyers, you should.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 3, 14 1:44 PM
Go to work Phil! May the rich get richer! The more uber wealthy the better our piece of paradise here on the East End does, they are the fuel that drives the economy!!
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 1, 14 3:15 PM
No, they're the TNT that drove our youth out of the area, and destroyed the once bucolic nature of the South Fork.

You've never been able to see past your own selfish ends, and we don't expect you to anytime soon.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 1, 14 8:36 PM
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And we don't expect You, Phil & HHS to see our point of view any sooner. Just because capitalism dose not work for you, dose not mean a lot of us hear haven't made it work for us!

BF, Joe and myself have worked our tail off 24 - 7 to make it .since 2008 mood in this country is take it away from us! Hell "We didn't build it"

my rear
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tell that to our family's. We built it alright and were DAM proud of it.

Now put your hand back in your pocket
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 1, 14 9:06 PM
Contempt is dangerous ground.


"I did not know then that pride is a wonderful, terrible thing, a seed that bears two vines, life and death."

~ James Hurst, "The Scarlet Ibis"

"A decent provision for the poor is the true test of civilization."

~ from Boswell's "Life of Johnson"
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 1, 14 9:10 PM
Having a business that provides for my family and three other families is not selfish, just self reliant! I understand that a true leftist wouldn't see the difference. Seems as if you have an aversion to success in the private sector never missing an opportunity to take a shot at the wealthy, once again your class envy is showing. I am happy for those who do well, it reminds us of what is possible in this great nation.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 2, 14 12:24 PM
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We so do love your Irving Berlin song and dance. Nice attempt at deflection, but that dog don't hunt. In fact, I've got an idea.

How about we all pitch in and buy you a big wooden cross. That way, when you feel victimized, slighted, unappreciated, or abused you can climb on up and nail yourself to it.

Apparently your cranium is so thick you can't see beyond your own backyard. There are people who put in just as many hours a week as you at other things that pay far less. You ...more
Oct 2, 14 4:41 PM appended by Mr. Z
And for the record, your beliefs are not the beliefs of any Democratic-Republican.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 2, 14 4:41 PM
Monday, Sep 29, 2014 05:35 PM EDT

The big “middle class” rip-off: How a short sale taught me rich people’s ethics

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The closest I ever came to acting like a rich person was two years ago when I short-sold my primary residence. I might have been able to keep it but strategic default made life easier. I owed ...more
Oct 2, 14 11:09 PM appended by Mr. Z
"If wealth were the inevitable result of hard work and enterprise, every woman in Africa would be a millionaire." ~ George Monbiot
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 2, 14 11:09 PM
Quite a diatribe
With the availability of year round work, nobody should loose a modestly prices house on the East End these days. In fact defaults and foreclosures were minimal here compared to some parts of the country.
BTW, the "rich" are more likely to vote Democrat, and corporate donations go to Democrats by a pretty good margin. Noteworthy in the last 2 national elections is how hedge fund managers overwhelmingly supported Obama.
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 10:32 AM
Yes it was.

It's also exemplary of just how ridiculous our system has become. The financial system should be utilitarian, not a casino.

If one desires the latter, ply your trade in Vegas or Monaco.
Oct 3, 14 1:48 PM appended by Mr. Z
As far as our community, you can't put time in a bottle. But, you can be responsible about how you develop it. The area has been developed like a patchwork quilt.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 3, 14 1:48 PM
RESPECT ?

Yes,I'm a democrat and a liberal.
But i sure know how to push your buttons,don't I?

By philathome , Southampton on May 14, 10 7:26 AM
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 1, 14 4:11 PM
The New York Times

Are Liberals Fund-Raising Hypocrites?

Thomas B. Edsall
SEPT. 30, 2014
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 1, 14 8:19 PM
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At least someone knows how to spell it.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 5, 14 3:55 AM
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Cenk Uygur: Obama Decides Civilian Casualties Don't Matter So Much Anymore
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 2, 14 6:28 PM
Chris Matthews: Obama "Intellectually Lazy," "Atrophied" By Valerie Jarrett, Michelle Obama
Oct 2, 14 6:29 PM appended by They call me
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 2, 14 6:29 PM
Panetta unloads on White House for pulling US forces out of Iraq
October 02, 2014

Former Obama Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is lashing out at the Presidents inner circle for failing to secure a 2011 deal to leave U.S. troops in Iraq, effectively accusing the White House of sabotaging the talks , in turn, opening the door for the region to become a haven for the Islamic State.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 2, 14 9:07 PM
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MR. ROMNEY: Excuse me. It's a geopolitical foe. And I said in the same — in the same paragraph, I said, and Iran is the greatest national security threat we face. Russia does continue to battle us in the U.N. time and time again. I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone.

Number two, ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 2, 14 9:15 PM
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Chris Matthews on ISIS, Ebola: Obama Trying To "Downplay Concerns At The Expense Of Being A Truth-Teller

"Matthews also tied Obama's handling of Ebola to underestimating ISIS as a global threat.
"And here we have a couple of situations," Matthews said." "The JV team over in Iraq and Syria that's now becoming a global threat . So is ISIS really a JV team,
It is a big problem, I'm sorry," the MSNBC host said.
Oct 3, 14 12:59 AM appended by They call me
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 3, 14 12:59 AM
Kirsten Powers: "It Is Safe To Say Obama Has Been A Huge Disappointment"
Oct 3, 14 1:01 AM appended by They call me
FINALLY A MORNING WITHOUT PHIL ! HAVE A NICE DAY.
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 3, 14 1:01 AM
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The wheels are off the bus now, maybe you should easy up on him a bit UD, I know he deserves it but two wrongs don't make a right, and I think we have finally made the point.

Then again. the Hydra will rise the moment it can spin something its way.
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 3, 14 8:25 AM
CHUCK TODD: On Sec.Serv. nightmare and following resignation,

What was missing here was leadership. Let face it, she was picked because Obama wanted to get rid of the frat boy image of the Secret Service . That's why she was put into place. That's why the presidents team sought her. Problem is those guys have been unbelievable.you need Marines to do the job of Marines, Well, you got what you paid for Michele & Valerie this is not a job for the Girl Scouts!
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 3, 14 3:17 PM
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I think the A team was on Martha's Vineyard guarding Valerie's humble cottage.
By smacw (233), New York on Oct 3, 14 3:20 PM
I'm sorry... but I really must agree about that.
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 3, 14 3:24 PM
The president said yesterday in his speech at Northwestern University that he is “not on the ballot this fall … but make no mistake: these policies are on the ballot. Every single one of them.” Good for President Obama. It is not unfair to extrapolate out from the president’s own words and argue that his management record is also on the ballot. Which brings us to the obvious question about the management of the latest crisis: the Ebola epidemic.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 3, 14 3:19 PM
the way this is being handled is disgraceful and scary, i was reading an article today that mitt romney is demanding an apology to the people and feels there has never been a single person in history who has done more to harm america than obama has.

what is this is his plan to institute martial law like you guys were talking about last week. very scary indeed.
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 3, 14 3:31 PM
Sure.

Because "leaders" like Romney who preach "laissez faire" capitalism all the while benefitting from government largesse are just what we need.

More drama queen than leader when it suits a perceived end.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 6, 14 9:24 AM
I would have to say I agree with that assessment Erin, the way this is being handled seems so amateur. when will this administration get their act together it seems as though their own personal interests outweigh everything else all day everyday. It is both disgraceful and yes in the case of the Ebola crisis very scary
By widow gavits (208), sag harbor on Oct 3, 14 3:46 PM
Happy Birthday Gore Vidal:

“Ayn Rand's 'philosophy' is nearly perfect in its immorality, which makes the size of her audience all the more ominous and symptomatic as we enter a curious new phase in our society.... To justify and extol human greed and egotism is to my mind not only immoral, but evil.”
Oct 3, 14 11:08 PM appended by Mr. Z
“As societies grow decadent, the language grows decadent, too. Words are used to disguise, not to illuminate, action: you liberate a city by destroying it. Words are to confuse, so that at election time people will solemnly vote against their own interests.”
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 3, 14 11:08 PM
"Who is John Galt?"

Watch the movie and find out for yourself
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 4, 14 1:39 PM
Do you mean that huge fraud in Central America?

Barofsky, Black, horse****.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 5, 14 3:42 AM
I just want people to decide for themselves and not buy in to the main stream media reviews
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 5, 14 9:43 AM
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I made my decision about this fictional fairy tale character created by a woman who died of cancer living on government benefits.

Horse****.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 6, 14 9:27 AM
You are entitled to feel anyway you like, Just thought people should read it for themselves and come to there own conclusions.

You do not not to get so foul mouthed about it.
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 6, 14 11:15 AM
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**** is FCC sanctioned. Stop living in the past.

Profanity on my part is reserved for things which have earned it, and never used excessively as this cheapens it.

You never struck me as a Miss Manners, and the "goody two shoes" act is pathetic...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 12:47 AM
Obama administration scraps quarantine regulations
Posted 4/1/2010 8:53 PM By Alison Young, USA TODAY

The Obama administration has quietly scrapped plans to enact sweeping new federal quarantine regulations that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention touted four years ago as critical to protecting Americans from dangerous diseases spread by travelers.
The regulations, proposed in 2005 during the Bush administration amid fears of avian flu, would have given the federal government ...more
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 4, 14 12:07 AM
Just another example of the incompetence exhibited by our community organizer in chief. What a foolish thing to do, bowing to political correctness and the airline industry instead of exhibiting leadership and doing the right thing. A sincere thank you to all those who voted for thisempty suit.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 4, 14 8:08 AM
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By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 5, 14 3:47 AM
Are you defending His decision?
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 5, 14 7:21 AM
to bigfresh:

The objection to the Bush bill is that it would infringe 1st and 4th amendment rights to no purpose. Everyone who boards a flight today is required to produce identification so a bill that would authorize the feds to track millions of airline passengers on spec' is of dubious necessity.

Moreover, the authority to detain passengers suspected of harboring a contagious disease is already incumbent on the police. It doesn't need reiteration.

The CDC is the appropriate ...more
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 5, 14 8:20 AM
Are you not getting tired of defending the indefensible? This man is an apologist for American strength and will never put our interests first. The interests of the people of the United States are most certainly not served by the continuing failure to halt all flights from Ebola-affected countries into the U.S. Obviously, Obama does not prioritize the interests of Americans instead he sees himself as some sort of UN Secretary of the world.Well that is not the position he was elected for and the ...more
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 5, 14 9:41 AM
Even Saturday Night Live Goofs on Obama's Mishandling of ISIS In "60 Minutes" Parody
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 5, 14 9:50 AM
Not only does this administration refuse to stop flights from countries seething with Ebola, they do nothing about children cruising across the southern border by the tens of thousands other than to distribute them (quietly, quickly and secretly) nationwide. Enterovirus D-68 is much more prevalent in Central America, but it is catching up here for some "unknown" reason.
Dr. Jane Orient, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, recently said that we might want ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 5, 14 10:40 AM
defense of the truly despicable
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 5, 14 5:50 PM
If butterflies spread a deadly virus, I would fear butterflies. Enterovirus D-68 has been around for decades in small clusters rarely causing symptoms worse than the common cold. Suddenly a deadlier version appears nationwide simultaneously with the dispersal of Unaccompanied Alien Children nationwide. Connect the dots, use a modicum of common sense and what do you get?
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 6, 14 10:26 AM
Yea, 0 facts behind that other than "common sense". Guess you are still "loading. . . " them
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 6, 14 11:05 AM
No facts, eh? Load this: The theory that the Enterovirus came to America from Latin America (mainly Central America) is supported by a medical study conducted in 2013 at a U.S. Naval Medical Research Unit in Lima, Peru. The study, published in Virology Journal, was entitled “Human rhinoviruses and enteroviruses in influenza-like illness in Latin America”.

Although Enterovirus EV-D68 had not surfaced here in America, other than in small clusters, in 40 years, the research team ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 6, 14 2:08 PM
Sounds like everything is still in the "theory" stage.
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Oct 6, 14 2:29 PM
And in the last fifty years antibiotics have been severely overprescribed, mutating bacteria which cause disease. Who can we blame for that?

This is a simple strand of RNA which can easily mutate under the right conditions. Fortunately it has no protein coat, which makes vulnerable and a reason for it's rarity. It has similar characteristics of rhinoviruses which cause things like poxes and polio. It is found in Asia, Europe, and the United States. It is spread most easily by saliva ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 1:01 AM
Antibiotics have no effect on Virusus... surely you must know that?
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 7, 14 1:11 AM
No ****.

Re-read the first sentence of both paragraphs. And, note the last sentence. Bacteria have DNA, and the phages which can infect them are single stranded RNA, not to be confused with the two stranded types.
Oct 7, 14 1:23 AM appended by Mr. Z
If you're up on your research, it's really not actually the enterovirus which kills. A good old fashioned staph infection is more likely to finish you off.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 1:23 AM
Gallup: Voter opposition to Obama at 16-year high, worse than Bush, Clinton
Oct 6, 14 12:25 AM appended by They call me
I think it is now clear Obama has earned disdain and impeachment. I don't understand why his past has been doctored up and records sealed. Why did the odious Democratic Party foist this fraudulent, alien Left-wing ideologue on America? He has accomplished more evil and proven to be the least qualified president in American history
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 6, 14 12:25 AM
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to joe hampton:

"Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, on Friday said restricting travel between the U.S. and West Africa would likely 'backfire' and put Americans more at risk of contracting Ebola."

- Politico (Oct. 3, 2014)
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Sweet Jesus, joe, will you ever learn to look beyond self-serving, partisan misconception to genuine substance?
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to ...more
Oct 6, 14 8:28 AM appended by highhatsize
Apologies. My final response should have been addressed to "They call me" rather than "joe hampton".
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 6, 14 8:28 AM
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Angry and frustrated voters are planning to use the midterm elections in one month to tell President Obama they oppose his agenda, the highest “no vote” percentage in the last 16 years measured by Gallup.

The polling outfit found that 32 percent of voters want to send a message of opposition with their vote, compared to just 20 percent who are sending a signal of support.
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 6, 14 9:21 AM
Wait a second! You're trying to say that an expected low voter turnout should be construed as a sign of opposition to Obama?

That's quite a stretch, even for you and a couple of others here.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 6, 14 3:44 PM
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Hat:
You say the symptoms of EV-D68 are the same as those of the common cold. That used to be the case, however instead of manageable clusters here and there, we now have 538 people from 43 states and the District of Columbia with respiratory illness caused by EV-D68 (according to the CDC as of 10/3/14 - surely higher by now). Death and paralysis have been associated with this virus, but that would be Henny Penny talking, right?
Then you claim this unprecedented increase MAY be the result ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 7, 14 12:31 AM
Vos, Sorry TCMs point was so hard for you and Z to digest, But the call was spot on...
THE WASHINGTON POST
By Ed Rogers October 6 at 3:48 PM
Voters have turned decidedly hostile toward President Obama and his policies. That’s not just my partisan view; it is empirical data. A poll released over the weekend shows that 32 percent of voters are using their midterm election votes to send a message of opposition to the president. That is “the highest ‘no vote’ percentage ...more
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 7, 14 1:09 AM
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the america I grew up in is gone. we have been sliding towards the cliff for a long time, but who knew one man could do so much damage in less than 6 years and I believe the worst is yet to come. have you noticed the increasing evil in his eyes? like a killer moving in to make a kill on his victim.
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 7, 14 1:23 AM
The America your parents knew is gone. The America which your grandparents knew is gone. The America which existed before the Civil War is gone.

You grossly misunderstand or are ignorant of culture and societal convention if you believe in what you just typed.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 1:29 AM
In Arkansas, Bill Clinton tries to save Democrats from Barack Obama
OCTOBER 6, 2014 | 6:48 PM
CONWAY, Ark. — In what is likely to become a theme of the last weeks of campaigning before the midterm elections, former President Bill Clinton all but begged voters here in Arkansas not to use their vote as an expression of disapproval for Barack Obama.
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 7, 14 7:22 AM
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By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Oct 7, 14 9:41 AM
Come on, Joe, get real. Obama isn't running so how is not voting at all a message of displeasure of the president? Please cite the "empirical data" you mention and tell us who performed the survey and how the question was worded that has you guys celebrating.

In case you missed it, Americans don't like politicians of any stripe because they take so much to accomplish so little.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 7, 14 1:18 PM
It was a Gallup poll
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 7, 14 7:02 PM
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By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 6, 14 4:17 PM
Just sayin
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 6, 14 4:54 PM
judging by its actions, the obama administration considers homeschoolers entering the country to be a more serious cause for concern than Liberians with ebola or central americans with enterovirus.
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 7, 14 7:31 AM
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Fear is a better weapon than a gun.

Please do stop watching Faux News and hanging on Glenn Beck's every word as if he were a messiah...
Oct 7, 14 9:12 AM appended by Mr. Z
Try reading some real news: HCPVT
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 9:12 AM
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Panetta: I Knew "From The Beginning" Benghazi Was A Terrorist Attack
Oct 7, 14 10:07 PM appended by They call me
State Dept's Psaki Stumped, Unable To List Gains Made Against ISIS Under Obama... Piers Morgan on Obama: "It's Time He Got Off The Damn Golf Course" Panetta: Obama's "Red Line" on Syria Damaged U.S. Credibility
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 7, 14 10:07 PM
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Beck has not been on Fox for over 3 years now you can find him on channel 157 where he now runs his own network along with Andrew Wilkow.

Thanks for playing
Oct 7, 14 9:48 AM appended by 27dan
And the best part of him moving is it made room for the truth telling goddess Megan Kelly
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 7, 14 9:48 AM
No, they're the TNT that drove our youth out of the area, and destroyed the once bucolic nature of the South Fork.
By Mr. Z (6168), North Sea on Oct 1, 14 8:36 PM

The America your parents knew is gone. The America which your grandparents knew is gone. The America which existed before the Civil War is gone. You grossly misunderstand or are ignorant of culture and societal convention
By Mr. Z (6168), North Sea on Oct 7, 14 1:29 AM


By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 7, 14 7:07 PM
wow you sure can play both sides of the street
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 7, 14 7:08 PM
Or maybe I'm just well informed with a logical sense of reason and a decent amount of intelligence to back it up.

Here, look at my thumb...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 10, 14 12:26 AM
Tapper: Democrats Tell Me Obama Is An "Albatross Around Their Necks"
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 8, 14 6:19 PM
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(CNN) -- Former President Jimmy Carter said he was puzzled why Barack Obama "waited so long" to go after ISIS and criticized what he described as the president's changing foreign policy.
"First of all, we waited too long. We let the Islamic State build up its money, capability and strength and weapons while it was still in Syria," Carter told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram in an interview published Tuesday. not securing a status of forces agreement was irresponsible
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 8, 14 6:25 PM
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I think this long battle is over for now, phil seems to have been once again been beaten back by the wave of truth and must lay low tell this panetta thing blows over
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 9, 14 9:15 AM
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Excelsior...
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 9, 14 9:17 AM
Yes of coarse, it was Bush... Mohamed Atta was Innocent
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 9, 14 4:12 PM
"The Right" may want to distance themselves from this nitwit:


“Obama doesn’t want America to believe that we’re exceptional. He wants us to be just like everybody else, and if Africa is suffering from Ebola, we ought to join the group and be suffering from it, too. That’s his attitude.”

~ Phyllis Schlafly
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 10, 14 8:08 AM
Additionally (note the last sentence):

"For the second time in less than a month, Fox News has been caught blatantly editing an interview given by President Obama to completely fabricate a story that wasn’t true.

During a segment on The Factor with former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Bill O’Reilly played a clip of an interview he had with the president where they discussed the language used following the Benghazi attack. During the clip he pressed President Obama ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 10, 14 8:12 AM
Trippi: Obama A "Drag;" Not Too Soon to Declare A Failed Presidency
Oct 9, 14 9:24 AM appended by 27dan
back to bush ? so sad
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 9, 14 9:24 AM
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If you Like your Ebola, You can keep your Ebola
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 9, 14 8:34 PM
WH Aide involved in Secret Service prostitution scandal now works on 'Global Women's Issues' for State Dept. ROTFLOL!

The great thing about being a democrat is that when you don't claim to have any morals you can't be called a hypocrite. Instead, you get called Mr. President.

War On Women ? to funny, You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried! LOL
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 9, 14 8:43 PM
Wowzers, This administration is the gift that just keeps on giving

" If you like your prostitute you can keep your prostitute ! "

HILARIOUS!
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 9, 14 8:50 PM
It sure seems like the Democrats have a brand problem. As the New York Times recently reported, Democrats up for reelection are avoiding Obama like he has Ebola. "Even the slightest injection of the Obama brand into this election seems perilous for Democrats," notes Times reporter Jonathan Martin. Alison Lundergan Grimes, Kentucky's Democratic Senate candidate, is even running ads where she declares "I'm not Barack Obama." College Democrats volunteering for Grimes campaign have had to cover-up their ...more
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 10, 14 4:01 PM
Obama doesn’t want America to believe that we’re exceptional. He wants us to be just like everybody else, and if Africa is suffering from Ebola, we ought to join the group and be suffering from it, too.
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 10, 14 4:03 PM
THIS JUST IN ..... ..... ..... .....

GALLUP: OBAMA APPROVAL DROPS TO 39 %
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 10, 14 4:16 PM
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good gravy hilary would be sooo much better then this empty suit coward of a radical islamist sympathizer from the land of ebola
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 10, 14 4:24 PM
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Chuck Todd: Alison Lundergan Grimes Has "Disqualified Herself"

NBC's Sr. coraspondent and host of Meet the Press Chuck Todd reacts to Democratic U.S. Senate candidate Alison Lundergan Grimes refusing to answer whether she voted for President Obama or not.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 10, 14 4:47 PM
to Erin, You have to show legal I.D. to do everything from get into school, to take a plane ,to take a visit to the White House, to get a bank account. Exactly w t f is racist about making people prove they are legal voters to vote? The ONLY reason to be against voter I.D. is because your are in favor of voter fraud. Maddow proves she's not only stupid, she apparently is in favor of voter fraud.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 10, 14 4:53 PM
You are the racist here Phil, you infer that minorities are incapable of obtaining a photo ID! Typical liberal, a racist to the core! Freestuffers need an ID to get there handouts, SS recipients need an ID to open a bank account , it's direct deposit now, students need an ID to enroll, military personnel are issued an ID, so do tell, who is being disenfranchised? I call bovine excrement on the entire premise.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 10, 14 5:51 PM
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Voter ID laws discriminate against fraud
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 11, 14 2:31 AM
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Only a matter of time before people are required to present IDs in order to vote because there's just no good argument against it.It won't happen in time for midterms but I believe the momentum will continue to build afterwards.It's just ridiculous,in a democracy not to have to prove who you are.If you're too lazy to go get an ID(which are free) you shouldn't be able to vote anyway.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 11, 14 4:11 AM
You are completely unhinged if you don't see your own bigotry. Claiming that minorities are unable to get an ID shows your disdain for them. As I stated before, freestuffers need an ID to get their stuff, SS recipients nee one to open a bank account in order to have their funds direct deposited, students need an ID , and military personnel need one. Please explain who, specifically, are disenfranchised.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 11, 14 8:19 AM
Thanks for proving you have nothing to add to the discussion besides the Daily Kos talking points. Saying that "the minorities" will be disenfranchised without offering any PROOF is a specious argument. Just because the SC says something is true does not make it so. I doubt if the decision went the other way you would be in agreement. one more time, I have shown that most if not all registered voters already have an ID, please back up your assertion.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 11, 14 9:33 AM
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If you're not smart enough to get a photo ID, you're too dumb to vote, and a guy like Obama gets elected and the country & world pays the consequence.



By marlinspike (1270), Southampton on Oct 11, 14 9:25 AM

We are bigoted phil but not against a skin color against people with there hand out voting for people who will enable them to continue.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 11, 14 5:34 PM
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By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 11, 14 5:36 PM
Voting shall take place on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November? Until changed by amendment, this seems to say that all other types of voting are not Constitutional, early, absentee, etc.
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 12, 14 1:35 AM
Some scholar you are. The original text in Article One is below, and the LAW regarding the date you cite was passed in 1845. Such a specificity does not exist in the U.S. Constitution.


Article 1, Section 4:

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing ...more
Oct 12, 14 10:26 AM appended by Mr. Z
FYI: Title 3, Sections 1 & 7
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:26 AM
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Pardon the type-0, Title 2, Sections 1 & 7. It's the mid-terms.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:39 AM
Still unable to back up your assertion that minorities are disenfranchised by requiring a photo ID, classic liberal hog wash.
By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 12, 14 8:01 AM
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By bigfresh (3673), north sea on Oct 12, 14 8:48 AM
For those of you who don't seem to be able to process this, bottom line is that until ID is FREE to anyone it costs money. Therefore, the fees which are paid to obtain said ID will be considered a poll tax.

It doesn't matter if you think people who don't have ID are deadbeats, or losers, or lazy, what matters is they COST MONEY. The polls have a list, you are designated to that place via your physical address, and you can only sign in ONCE. Not 100% airtight some would say, but seems ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:00 AM
You can't require photo ID if it costs money.

Your electric bill is sufficient as a form of ID. Please do get over it.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:27 AM
Or my father and tens of thousands like him. A world War II veteran, housebound, whose passport has expired and hasn't driven in ten years.

Who'll step up and tell him he can't vote? Fresh? Spike? Joe? Come on all you big talkers, step up and tell him you're going to disenfranchise him. Tell those others who can get transported to the polls that you don't believe the Constitution honors their vote.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 12, 14 2:39 PM
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I would be happy to pick up your father or any other vet and drive him to the polling place.

How come you dont drive him?
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 12, 14 8:07 PM
Nice dodge, Dan. How do you propose to get him in the booth if he lacks the ID you want required? Are you going to vouch for him?
Are you going to take all the other old people with no IDs and vouch for them also? What about the young poor and the undereducated? As Americans we don't pick and choose who we permit to vote.
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 12, 14 11:05 PM
You seriously ain't right.

Did it occur to you his father is housebound, and voting by mail is his only real option?

Another heavy handed "right winger"...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 14, 14 9:03 AM
@ VOS:

Fine example of a "right winger" here. You must be guilty of fraud because you mail in your ballot.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 14, 14 4:53 PM
And you guys continue to dodge the question of how is my father, and a hundred thousand others like him going to get an ID to vote? Why do you want to take that fundamental right away from him?

He was born in the US, is caucasian and a native speaker of English - does that make a difference?
By VOS (1114), WHB on Oct 15, 14 1:14 AM
Posner's dissent on ID laws was positively blistering.

You should check it out. He basically handed guys like marlin their gluteus.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 15, 14 1:52 AM
to bigfresh:

"Voting" is a constitutional "right". That right demands a much higher degree of protection than the "privileges" which you have mentioned of receiving social welfare or social security benefits or of opening a bank account or of enrolling in school or of enlisting in the military. Requiring a photo id before a citizen can vote is as vile as requiring one for him to SPEAK.

Furthermore, just a little research on your part would have shown that, statistically, minorities ...more
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 12, 14 9:35 AM
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Phil I wish you Mr Z and HHS success in your continuing campaign to make sure people who are basically the vagrants of society get to vote. We all realize these people translate into a better chance for your kind of leadership in this country.

It really is a symbiotic relationship you have going they get more free stuff and you get to keep the power to raise taxes passs more regulations and more progressive nonsenses
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 12, 14 10:27 AM
Vagrants are still citizens, and it's unconstitutional to deny the right to vote to any citizen.

Even if they are homeless, or a "vagrant".

Pretty un-American attitude for people who so vehemently believe in the Constitution. Or maybe you're just like the Bible cherry pickers and only use what's convenient for your dogma...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:30 AM
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Good point Z.

Really Phil, it does sound like you took Z's post and sensationalized it with your usual drama.
By dnice (2340), Hampton Bays on Oct 12, 14 5:51 PM
I fail to see where TCM said vagrants or anyone were not citizens, Its clear we are trying to say, weeks of early voting provide unfair opportunity for community organizers to tip the scales.

Anyone wishing to exercises there constitutional voting right should get up on election day and find a way to the polling place show ID and be allowed to cast there one vote!

I would defend the dirtiest bums right to cast that vote provided he was there to do so of his own volition
By 27dan (2420), Shinnecock Hills on Oct 12, 14 7:51 PM
Note the word "vagrant" is quoted. Context, much?
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:56 PM
The only mail in votes that should be allowed should be those of the military serving over seas and the disabled. Anything else is a deliberate and corrupt attempt to steal elections though social media and community organizing.

Remember the lesson of Acorn ?

If not do not just accept HhsZfan@homes response to this post, Look it up for yourselves!

By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 13, 14 10:06 AM
The NAACP staged a march to protest the requirement of voter ID laws in February at the "Moral March on Raleigh."
In a flyer sent out entitled “Important Do’s and Don’ts for Marchers,” some very responsible marching elements were listed for people's safety.
The most ironic recommendation on the list comes half way down, where march coordinators tell recipients:

“DO bring photo identification (driver's license, passport or other valid photo ID) ...more
By loading... (547), quiogue on Oct 12, 14 9:44 AM
Barack Obama: the end of a love affair
Six years after offering hope and change, polls show the American public has fallen out of love with their president – so where did it all go wrong?

Photo: AFP/GETTY
By Peter Foster, Washington9:00AM BST 09 Oct 2014
By They call me (2420), southampton on Oct 12, 14 10:18 AM
The previously entrenched D.C. culture which exists, and the rigged game it plays will defy "change" at all costs. Armies of lawyers and lobbyists all there to defend the "United Corporations of America".

You will find yourself hard pressed to change that which fights tooth and nail not to be altered.

Warren 2016
Oct 12, 14 10:34 AM appended by Mr. Z
Worst. Congress. Ever.
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 12, 14 10:34 AM
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Hows this for changing the subject!

NYT MONDAY: MSNBC IN DEEP RATINGS SPIRAL... DEVELOPING...

have a Niceeeeeeeeee night.
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 12, 14 8:17 PM
How in god's name can 27dan and They call me and their co-religionists advocate denying the vote to all those Americans who, in their estimation, are too stupid, lazy or poor to deserve it when those criteria would disqualify most of them themselves (to judge by their performance on this forum and, particularly, this thread)?
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 12, 14 9:48 PM
The New York Times

Leaning Forward, MSNBC Loses Ground to Rivals

Rachel Maddow, the biggest star on the MSNBC cable network, just posted her lowest quarterly ratings results ever.

“Ronan Farrow Daily,” the network’s heavily promoted new afternoon show, which stars a 26-year-old Rhodes Scholar with a high-profile Hollywood lineage, has been largely a dud.

Though it has mostly happened quietly, which may be a comment on the cable network’s ...more
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 12, 14 10:19 PM
Infotainment will always trump straight news. Fox is the equivalent of the tabloids by the cashier that catch your eye with sensational and misleading headlines. You don't see Time or The Economist there. In like manner, when Fox proclaims that the twin plagues of Ebola and D-68 are about to sweep the nation in advance of a cross-border invasion by ISIS, news channels that stick to objective, tedious reality are unlikely to be picked by bored channel-surfers.

Fox audience numbers don't ...more
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 13, 14 9:07 AM
Like I watch Lawrence O'Donnell to see the bitter angry socialist's point of view. and Ray Maddows the militant lesbian feminists point of view. but then there is a more serious Chuck Tood and Bill O'Reilly on Fox who try to be fact based .

At the end of the day despite HHS and his Rose colored Media Matters glasses Fox has 10 times more viewers and MSNBC is a clearing house for special interest talking points. the people know it and the ratings show it
By Undocumented Democrat (1733), southampton on Oct 13, 14 10:21 AM
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By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 13, 14 11:00 AM
phillip please try and concentrate, what ud is saying is the hosts on msnbc each seem to have a specific agenda that is the driving motivation for there progressive affiliation. he did not say rachel being an open lesbian and in a relationship with susan mikula was a bad thing just in his opinion what seems to motivate her point of view.as al sharpton seems to be motivated be his agenda and larry o'donnell in my opinion is just a spiteful bitter man surly you must see that even though you seem to ...more
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 13, 14 12:37 PM
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I was just reading... A growing number of Democrats are pressuring obama to ban flights to Ebola ravaged countries despite repeated warnings from global health leaders that closing borders will accelerate the crisis.

A group of lawmakers, including Reps. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) and Dave Loebsack (D-Iowa) signed a letter Wednesday urging obama to ignore health officials and immediately halt flights from the West African countries affected by Ebola.

The ...more
By joe hampton (3164), southampton on Oct 13, 14 10:48 AM
yes, there should be a quarantine period of the 21 days to enter for anyone exposed.

this is not a game and it should be the american people that an american president protects first what the hell is this man thinking ???

i will only act when the world health organization says i can ???
By Erin 27 E (1068), southampton on Oct 13, 14 12:52 PM
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Enough?

California Aquifers Poisoned by Fracking While the State's Water Shortage Becomes Grim


"...some three billion gallons of toxic wastewater was illegally released when injected into wells and spread into aquifers in the central part of the state. The State Water Resources board also stated that water samples taken from eight water supply resources close to the injection sites have texcessive levels of toxins and carcinogens, including thallium, a chemical found in rat ...more
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 13, 14 10:41 PM
To joe hampton & Erin 27 E:

Actually, joe & Erin, it's the head of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention who said that embargoing flights from West Africa would hurt efforts to control the spread of the disease to the United States. The CDC is the federal agency specifically tasked with preventing that eventuality in our country. I quoted him in my Oct. 6 response to joe (supra) but you probably forgot/overlooked it in your rush to find fault with the president.

Frankly, ...more
By highhatsize (3699), East Quogue on Oct 14, 14 8:54 AM
I'm not "anti-corporate".

I am however anti-aristocracy, anti-oligarchy, anti-lobbyist, and anti-government sold to the highest bidder.

Fascism comes in many guises. The current power structure of lobbyists, corporations, and millionaire Congresspersons trading in markets on inside information qualifies.

Thanks for playing...
By Mr. Z (10413), North Sea on Oct 15, 14 1:23 AM
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