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Jan 13, 2015 3:33 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Southampton Town Board Approves CPI And Canal Development Project

Jan 14, 2015 11:33 AM

The Southampton Town Board unanimously approved a two-part development plan on Tuesday afternoon that authorizes a broad redevelopment of land on both sides of the Shinnecock Canal in Hampton Bays.

Before a packed house of mostly Hampton Bays residents, watched over by three Southampton Town Police officers, members of the board, one by one, defended their decision to support the proposal, years in the making, to renovate and expand the dilapidated Canoe Place Inn just west of the canal and also construct 37 townhouses on its eastern bank, saying it will be an important economic boost to Hampton Bays.

All five board members nodded to desires by Hampton Bays residents to see the century-old former inn and nightclub building saved, to the expected environmental benefits of state-of-the-art waste treatment systems on both properties, and to the hoped-for economic injection that the opening of a major catering facility, with lodging space, would bring to Hampton Bays.

Some, however, also acknowledged some of the less popular aspects of the project, while saying the negatives were still better than potential alternatives should the proposal be rejected.

“The townhouse aspect of the project may not be ideal, but rest assured that public input during the review process has had enormous impact,” Councilwoman Bridget Fleming said. “I believe this is an opportunity to honor and celebrate the rich history of Hampton Bays, while giving it a shot in the arm. Hampton Bays deserves this kind of economic investment, and I’m proud to support it.”

Some residents stormed out of the meeting room at Town Hall when Hampton Bays resident Councilman Stan Glinka voiced his support for the project, making it clear that the project would receive the required four votes, a supermajority, to approve the planned development district, the much-debated planning tool the town has employed to change zoning to permit specific development projects.

“This has been a very difficult decision,” said Mr. Glinka, a former president of the Hampton Bays Chamber of Commerce. “One comment that resonates with me was … from a gentleman who went down Main Street in Hampton Bays on the Fourth of July and said it was no different than going on a weekend in February.

“The business community has been the driving force of Hampton Bays, but … two mainstay businesses have closed their doors in the past few months,” he added, referring to the restaurants Squiretown and Villa Tuscano. “Approving this will … set the stage to bring future development to Hampton Bays.”

In the final round of public comments on the project before the vote, opposition from residents of the town’s most populous hamlet continued to be robust. Those who spoke primarily lamented the loss of the eastern shore of the canal as a point of public access, despite repeated exhortations by the board members and supporters of the project that such access was only by virtue of patronizing waterfront restaurants. Some pointed to a petition circulated and signed by more than 1,100 town residents in opposition to the plans.

A frequent argument by opponents throughout the public vetting process has been that the property along the eastern shore of the Shinnecock Canal would be a greater economic and cultural boon to Hampton Bays if it were developed with a mix of restaurants and shops, similar to Gosman’s Dock in Montauk, as numerous past and current planning studies have insisted should be employed there.

“This approval will be forever,” said Al Algieri, president of the East Quogue Civic Association. “Aesthetically, this is a disaster. Vote no, vote by the experts, and you’ll be doing something for the future of Hampton Bays, rather than giving something away.”

The approved plan will allow the developers, cousins Gregg and Mitchell Rechler, to begin the long-awaited redevelopment of the canal area, some 10 years after purchasing the three properties targeted for the project. On the CPI property, the crumbling building will be largely scrapped and rebuilt in a likeness of its original design, as a 25-room inn and catering venue with a cluster of adjacent cottages and a 300-seat dining hall and restaurant. Across the canal, the 37 townhouse units will inhabit four buildings on the approximately 4.5-acre property. A third property, on the eastern side of North Road, immediately opposite the canal property, will house the underground wastewater treatment system for the townhouses.

It has been more than six years since the Rechlers’ unveiled their first development proposal for the properties, which called for razing of the CPI and constructing approximately 75 timeshares in its place. That plan drew an outpouring of criticism and appeals from local residents to preserve the CPI building.

“When I sat in your chair as supervisor … the original proposal was for a five-story timeshare building with a parking garage, and we told the Rechlers to take it back to the drawing board—it didn’t fly at all,” former Supervisor Patrick Heaney, now a legislative liaison for the Southampton Business Alliance, recalled at Tuesday’s meeting. “It is a credit that this long, protracted PDD review process has provided an opportunity for interaction with town officials, members of the public and the developer … We now have a proposal that … adds an important economic shoulder to the Hampton Bays business community.”

The project was tinkered with throughout the two-year review of the most recent incarnation. The number of townhouse units were reduced by three and the overall size of the buildings cut by nearly 20 percent. A public access corridor and parking area, and a 240-foot floating dock, were added to the southern edge of the property.

But opponents continued to rail against the general idea of the canal’s eastern shore being reserved for a few dozen wealthy homeowners.

“The benefits are practically nil,” said Dale Nichol, a resident and one of the most vocal critics of the project. “I”m hoping that at least two members of this council will … have the backbone to say no to a big project that has been long in review but isn’t right for Hampton Bays.”

Councilman Brad Bender sought to deflect some of the casting of the project in comparison to the Gosman’s Dock idea, noting that such a proposal has not been brought forward, and that the septic requirements for one would lack the state-of-the-art protections of the Rechlers’ proposal. In addition to the Nitrex wastewater system that will service the townhouses, the developers have agreed to install an underground barrier on the CPI property, between the buildings and the canal, to help filter out contaminants before they reach they bay.

“There is not an alternate plan before me with a Gosman’s Dock on the east side,” he said. “I believe the wastewater treatment and the town homes would have the least environmental impact on our waterways. I guarantee you, I will be watching closely to see that the environmental controls that we have been promised are in place.”

Mr. Bender also noted that in addition to the publicly accessible floating dock that was incorporated into the plans in response to critics’ concerns about privatization, there will be a covenant for a public access along the entirety of the property’s waterfront, contingent on the town securing a future access easement across the properties to the north, which are owned by the state-run Metropolitan Transportation Authority and by Suffolk County.

Opponents were nonplussed by the claimed benefits the project would represent, and pleaded, ultimately in vain, for board members to send it back to the drawing board once again.

“If you vote for this,” said Dorothy Donohue, a Hampton Bays resident, “you will be on the wrong side of the conservation movement, the wrong side of Hampton Bays’ density issues, the wrong side of Hampton Bays’ history, and the wrong side of Hampton Bays’ future.”

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Congratulations HB Change is coming and you will someday soon take your place as a true Hampton

When will work begin?
By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Jan 13, 15 3:46 PM
As if this will stop the slumification of HB. THE CURE MUST COME FROM WASHINGTON.
By TheTurtle (138), Southampton on Jan 13, 15 9:37 PM
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By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 9:38 PM
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turtle what dose that even mean ?
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Jan 14, 15 1:46 PM
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Turtle, no cure of anything ever comes from DC
By BarryMcConnell (14), Hampton Bays, New York on Jan 15, 15 11:54 AM
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$10 says the condos are done before they even start work on CPI...

Another one bites the dust yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Jan 13, 15 4:06 PM
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LOL...The last time I was at the CPI, that was the song they were playing and the beer on tap was Schaefer... Oh the Seventies.
By Toma Noku (616), uptown on Jan 13, 15 6:01 PM
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ya remember the time that guy invented the light bulb , that was cool
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 14, 15 1:28 AM
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Schaefer is the one beer to have when you're having more than one. Schaefer's pleasure doesn't fade even when you thirst is done.

Ah the good old days lol.
By Dr Spock (36), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 15 10:27 AM
Finally-something positive. I congratulate the board on their approval.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Jan 13, 15 4:07 PM
Final C of O"s cannot be issued for the town homes until the CPI is complete per the passed law
By Brad (28), Northampton on Jan 13, 15 4:20 PM
I hope this is true!
By joan s (53), hampton bays on Jan 14, 15 6:59 AM
All it takes is the applicant to request a covenant amendment.

"Oh, please Town Board, we have no more money... we just need to get people in these condos so we can fund the rest of the CPI project... please Queen Anna, show some compassion!"
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Jan 14, 15 9:31 AM
What do you believe would be gained by this?
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:40 AM
And so "bb" I guess the fix was in right from the very begining.
By bird (773), Southampton on Jan 13, 15 4:21 PM
This is so sad. We can no longer enjoy a nice meal while watching the boats pass by. This was such an unique place, now to be destroyed by more condos. What a loss for Hampton Bays, Southampton, Long Island and New York State.
By Krazykraut (3), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 4:32 PM
There are still plenty of very nice struggling waterfront restaurants in HB where you can see the boats go by. You can even have a picnic along either side of the canal. There is still lots of public access along the canal. There is also still private land along the west side of the canal with restaurant potential if it were seen to be profitable and someone had the will to build one.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 10:08 AM
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Yes, there are wonderful restaurants here in Hampton Bays with great views, and I enjoy all of them. It's not quite the same or as close or as interesting as the locks. The marina draws boats from all over. It's a meeting place for many organizations. I wonder if the floating dock will be safe for my wheelchair?
By Krazykraut (3), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 3:39 PM
How did you make out with the current floating dock?
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 15 9:51 PM
KK never needed to chance the use of the floating dock because the entire deck at Tiderunners was available, accessible and offered service of food and beverages. Now that's gone forever.

Wrong question, bb.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 15, 15 10:53 PM
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The canal marina restaurant have had many names over the years, and always have been handicap friendly. I hope the new landlords of our canal are as friendly to all of us.
By Krazykraut (3), Hampton Bays on Jan 16, 15 3:45 AM
Not the wrong question VOS. The entire deck at the Tiderunners was "available" for 3 months out of the year, provided you were willing to purchase overpriced, mediocre food. Or pay cover and just enjoy the booze and loud noise. That was not public access.

The floating dock will be free of charge and open all year long. That is public access.

Yes, the Tiderunners is gone for ever. It would have been gone forever regardless of the outcome of the MPDD. One more time, the property ...more
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:47 AM
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Yes there have been many restaurants over the years. Most of them had a difficult time staying in business, especially all year round.

I'm curious, why do you think that the laws which govern handicap access would not apply to this particular piece of property?
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:49 AM
Very positive result from a long process. Hampton Bays lives!
By bluelightning (20), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 4:46 PM
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In fairness, I think the CPI as we all knew it and remember it bit the dust a long time ago...At least this will improve the eyesore that it has become.
By TheWaterMillian (34), Water Mill on Jan 13, 15 4:56 PM
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You mean "the eyesore the Rechlers made of it."
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 14, 15 2:03 AM
I hadn't been to the CPI since the early/mid 1980s. From what I understand it morphed into a spot for out-of-towners to cause trouble & grief for the local residents. This building SHOULD have been transformed into a hotel/catering hall long ago. After sitting vacant for so long w/out upkeep, it's doubtful that this building could be saved. At least we have our memories
By Davi65 (1), Riverhead on Jan 14, 15 1:46 PM
Because it was such good condition prior to their purchase VOS?

Do tell, what exactly did they do? The community asked them to not renew lease for the bar that was there. They didn't. Were they supposed to fix a building that they may be tearing down? Were they supposed to start fixing it because they wouldn't be tearing it down? You have mentioned a few times that they made it an eyesore, yet you haven't detailed how they did that.
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:58 AM
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Wishing this multiple-faceted project well!
By Hamptonsseashell (359), on Jan 13, 15 5:01 PM
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Congratulations to all!!!!!
By Summer Resident (224), Southampton N.Y. on Jan 13, 15 5:12 PM
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THANK YOU SOUTHAMPTON TOWN BOARD!!!!
By Bruce (1), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 5:15 PM
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What's next condos where Oaklands , Sundays, and hampton lady is now . I'm sure that condos are far more valuable then the restaurants revenue .
Both banks of the canal should have public access . Doesn't the town own and maintain the canal? I wonder if there is a right of way on both banks that reach beyond the bulkhead
By Urit (24), Quogue on Jan 13, 15 6:35 PM
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The locks are maintained by the county.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 7:09 PM
Actually, the plan provides more public access than the private businesses there did. Parking, walkway and floating dock. Just no restaurant. You can still find a nice spot for a picnic on either side. I believe the canal waterway is maintained by the county. It is man made, so I don't believe the rules of the Dongan Patent apply.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 9:40 AM
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Five parking spaces for the public is hardly public access. The comprehensive plan for the town calls for more water related activity on the canal, both active and passive, it calls for this because that is what brings people to a resort town. As long as the town makes decisions favoring private homes and more density, Hampton Bays will continue to go down hill. It is people who visit who pump money into the economy without taxing its resources. The idea that no one with children will ever live ...more
By Dale Nicholl (4), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 16, 15 11:13 AM
Dale, what was the public access before?
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:54 AM
This is awesome finally something good happens for hampton bays and of you do not live in hampton bays and disapprove don't come here
By bigblue84 (76), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 6:39 PM
Just another publicly accessible parcel sold into private hands. Seems to be the status quo in the last ten or fifteen years. Your desperation has been played, and so have you.

To quote the above, "Another One Bites the Dust".
By Mr. Z (11003), North Sea on Jan 13, 15 9:16 PM
How is it now publicly accessible?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 13, 15 11:52 PM
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By bluelightning (20), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 7:17 AM
It's not. The restaurants, which were built and exist as of right, are closed now.

Goodbye canal side dining. It was nice while we knew ye...
By Mr. Z (11003), North Sea on Jan 14, 15 10:51 PM
They should have torn down CPI and uilt the condos on its footprint. Now valuable land right on the canal will be ruined forever. We needed marinas and restaurants on the canal. Condos should have been on the CPI site a block away from the canal. Thats what the voters get for letting left wing liberals run the town!
By Walt (283), Southampton on Jan 13, 15 10:40 PM
< ------ here is your answer what a beautiful super Gosmans dock type project this area would make. You would need a new sea wall and dock along the water but once that is done could you ask for more

It is the perfect place for a Gosmans dock type of a project, Calm water beautiful sunsets and room to breath, someone ( Gregg and Mitchell Rechler ?) could buy out the handful of property's to the West all the way to the bridge and maybe even the water troubled homes to the East and create ...more
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Jan 14, 15 1:21 AM
Why don't you buy them joe?
By Mr. Z (11003), North Sea on Jan 15, 15 8:09 AM
Hampton Bays has always been the poor stepchild, and nothing can chnge that image. They are on the wrong side of the canal!
By Walt (283), Southampton on Jan 13, 15 10:41 PM
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By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 14, 15 1:26 AM
we are changing it and you hate it, too bad we are a real hampton more and more each day and the one with no traffic back to nyc come sunday night

wrong side of canel do you ever stop to reflect on how stupid that sounds
Jan 14, 15 1:30 PM appended by Erin 27 E
maybe someday people will say you are on the wrong side of the canal
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Jan 14, 15 1:30 PM
Haha. Hey Walt, go scratch.
By dnice (2342), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 1:50 PM
I believe Cinderella and The Ugly Duckling would beg to differ.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jan 14, 15 1:58 PM
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Walt seams to have a vested interest in keeping Hampton Bays down, Guess he cant see the potential and the renaissance taking place right at his door step.

Not everyone likes Southamton Walt, I find it to be crowded with many traffic lights, It can be very frustrating, I agree It is a nice place to hang out on Saturday but not so nice when your trapped in traffic on a Sunday night.

Hampton Bays is poised for something big in the next few years, to bad you cant see it Walt you ...more
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Jan 14, 15 2:18 PM
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Even if I could cobble together the funding you would have to have a strong stomach to take on the opposition in such a grandiose endever... after all we just witnessed could you imagine the hoops one will have to jump though,

I do not have a big enough organization or the patience to take on the NIMBY crowd. But after what I saw the last three years a company like R Squared Real Estate Partners and its affiliate company, Rechler Equity Partners, constitute the largest commercial real ...more
Jan 15, 15 8:27 AM appended by joe hampton
In response to Z s sarcasm "Why don't you buy them joe?"
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Jan 15, 15 8:27 AM
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Exactly, Erin. How stupid the above sounds. As well as nasty and pointless.
BTW, since the canal is between the bays, about midway, I guess according to Walt that half of each is good bay, the other half step-child bay. Dumb.
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jan 17, 15 9:52 PM
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Great move West of Canal, Bad to East. Why have studies and plans just to ignore them with a PDD? This should have been two separate projects. Bad project East of canal. Wrong project at wrong location. Keep taking things away, people have no reason to come. The Town uses "Studies" and "Master Plans" as an excuse until they want something. Even the Planning Board didn't like the project East but they did it anyway. Horrible
By The Real World (352), southampton on Jan 14, 15 7:53 AM
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Now, now, this is going to be completed just in time to hang your newly acquired Real Estate License up in the sales office.
By alhavel (50), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 8:48 AM
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Sure this whole canal project will benefit ATH with her new real estate license that she has shelved. LOL you are delusional.
By the way you guys keep mentioning Gosman's Dock. I heard that someone is looking to buy Gosman's, and build condos. I guess maybe a bunch of seasonal stores might not be a great use anymore.
By chief1 (2637), southampton on Jan 14, 15 10:01 AM
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Will there be any retail opportunities? Maybe a bodega at the entrance to the new CPI?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 3:51 PM
yes because I am sure that poor spanish families will be allowed to rent the town homes and put 12 families in each ?

thats the point this is a class act for our town that is pointing it in the right direction for the future. some people just want it to go back in time and do not like any change no matter how good or bad. well you have held this town back so long the bolts that hold it together are rusting

we must move forward now charlie chaplin is long gone
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Jan 15, 15 9:34 AM
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The people who don't want change are the ones who fought to save the CPI, a building from 1921 whose model as a 29 unit hotel and catering facility hasn't been viable since the 1960s. Those who are forward thinking are the ones who wanted development as of right as Resort Waterfront Business. We need to remember that the most lucrative project for a developer is condos, next town houses. Especially when a town allows them to trade one hotel unit for a 3 bedroom house! Now when you walk along ...more
By Dale Nicholl (4), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 16, 15 11:33 AM
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By crooked town board (1), Hampton Bays on Jan 14, 15 4:41 PM
Hey Walt. I think Stan and Christine received the Conservative/Rebuplican lines last time I looked.
By Justsay'n (42), Southampton on Jan 14, 15 4:55 PM
It is obvious to me that this page is moderated by people who don't believe in freedom of speech unless you are attached to the teats of the town board ! AGAIN the supervisor is a crook and so is the rest of the board !
By crooked town board (1), Hampton Bays on Jan 15, 15 10:40 PM
Southampton Town Board Approves CPI And Canal Development Project
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 16, 15 12:45 AM
Do tell...
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 12:05 PM
Should be called 'Anna's folly'. Townhouses will do nothing for Hampton Bays, all for the developer.
By blpierce (5), hampton bays on Jan 16, 15 2:39 PM
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If you haven't noticed yet, Anna is the reliable and consistent champion of developers who steadfastly refuse to honor real estate zoning codes that were put in place to protect citizens' interests in their environment. That is her mission to get reelected to higher office by slavishly catering to the interests of the people who can write big checks.

It is a shameless representation against the people's interests and will continue until she stops aspiring for higher office. The Rechler's ...more
By Obbservant (443), southampton on Jan 16, 15 10:26 PM
Fail to see the relationship between restaurants going out of business and town houses on the canal. Plenty of restaurants are thriving.
By blpierce (5), hampton bays on Jan 16, 15 2:40 PM
I fail to see the relationship also. The questions wasn't whether they were building a restaurant.

Do people typically build for the benefits of others?
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 11:53 AM
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You don't know what you're talking about. Both restaurants on the site were thriving but were refused lease extensions because the developers wanted to build housing.

Housing is a prohibited use in the Resort Waterfront business zone which these restaurants inhabited. The Town's comprehensive plan recognizes the unique character of the area and requires this property to be used to maintain the viable and vibrant businesses that attract visitors and residents to the area.

These ...more
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 17, 15 12:02 PM
I beg to differ but one of the restaurants was never given a lease because the property was going to be developed. Yes, they still are thriving.

If the Tiderunners was such a booming business, why weren't they open year round? The owner wasn't a "local guy". Customers of the new businesses will still continue to become customers of other businesses and just think the jobs will be year round.
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 17, 15 12:11 PM
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QUEEN ANN HUGGERS....you don't understand...your progress.
In the end the facts on this plan will be seen...it will or may "seem" progressive and hip thinking...
JUST WAIT UNTIL YOU DRIVE BY AND NOTICE WHAT ALL THOSE "CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN AND SO CALLED NUBIES (that ANNA Openly AND Outwardly TALKS ABOUT DIS-REPECTIVELY")
YOU'LL NOTICE THE VERY THINGS YOU "CLAIM" TO BE FOR WILL NOT BE....FRESH AIR, CLEAN WATER, DARK SKIES, ETC...THIS PROGRESSIVE PROJECT IS JUST THE SAME POLITICAL ...more
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 17, 15 9:23 AM
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When the project is finished, the monolithic (and incredibly lucrative) townhouses will stand on the east side of the canal and a generic restaurant and residential rental units will occupy the current Canoe Place Inn site. The "publicly-accessible dock" will vanish as soon as it requires maintenance. Regardless of the agreements that they have made, the Rechlers will hereafter have the whip-hand over the town board members who have shown themselves so subservient to their per$ua$ion and whose ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Jan 17, 15 10:14 AM
"When the project is finished, the monolithic (and incredibly lucrative) townhouses will stand on the east side of the canal and a generic restaurant and residential rental units will occupy the current Canoe Place Inn site."

and they will be beuatiful to behold

cant wait when do we start,
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 17, 15 1:48 PM
Highhat I think you should stick it in your hat. This is a start for Hampton Bays. This is not a perfect project, but a great start. Why would the Rechlers put shops, and restaurants when Hampton Bays has business's leaving? They are doing what looks nice, and profitable. This isn't a non profit project, and that is their right. You sound very jealous.
By chief1 (2637), southampton on Jan 17, 15 11:27 AM
he always sounds this way,

He does not have much use for profit or capitalism wants a world of redistribution where everyone is equally miserable
By 27dan (2632), Shinnecock Hills on Jan 17, 15 1:52 PM
Same tired, dumb, simplistic excuses to justify altering the law to suit personal interest, selfishness, and greed.

The analysts are right. The "dumbing down" continues...
Jan 20, 15 8:28 AM appended by Mr. Z
Courtesy of VOS: Housing is a prohibited use in the Resort Waterfront business zone which these restaurants inhabited. The Town's comprehensive plan recognizes the unique character of the area and requires this property to be used to maintain the viable and vibrant businesses that attract visitors and residents to the area.
By Mr. Z (11003), North Sea on Jan 20, 15 8:28 AM
to chief1:

Far from being a “start” for Hampton Bays, this project is a harbinger of the “end”. Residents (and potential residents) of that hamlet now see that there is no law therein to protect them from the depredations of the privileged. An ineffably beautiful public venue has been lost to the common people forever in spite of a law that seemed to prevent that very thing and the opinion of expert advisers that it was a bad idea. On the other hand, the sewage ...more
By highhatsize (3928), East Quogue on Jan 18, 15 7:58 AM
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Hyperbolic trumpery.
By Bob Molly (10), southampton on Jan 18, 15 9:43 AM
Who are are these " expert advisers"?

I watched the meetings, I can't recall anyone against the project who would be considered "expert" unless in their own minds.

Please, share who these "experts" were.
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 18, 15 8:44 AM
There were experts getting up and speaking...against the project.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THERE NAMES AND YOU WERE FOR THE PROJECT- JUST PROVES YOU ARE A HYPOCRIT!
AGAIN HIP THINKING ...PROGRESSIVE...HOLD HANDS TOGETHER...BUT NOT IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMEONE ELSES IDEAS ...YOU WON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITIES THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 19, 15 10:33 AM
Wow!

I am asking You who they were since you seem to know. Or perhaps you don't know which the answer yourself, which is why you are ranting instead of answering the question. Or, there were none, which makes it hard to answer the question also.

By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 19, 15 8:01 PM
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By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 20, 15 5:57 AM
Last time i was at the canal there were thousands of feet opened to the public owned by the county. The piece in question has always been in private hands so it never guaranteed access to the public. It's funny how you act as if this project is between the haves, and have nots. You would do really well in a communist country.
By chief1 (2637), southampton on Jan 19, 15 8:44 AM
Chief...you don't know the half of it...right now we are living in a communist country.
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 20, 15 6:06 AM
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Actually we live in a polyarchy, dominated by oligarchy.

There are times when it seems like most of you hopped a trains instead...
By Mr. Z (11003), North Sea on Jan 20, 15 8:20 AM
It's not between the haves and have nots...its between common sense and greed...its between right and liberal...its between can you twist wording for a liberal view point...and in the end it boils down to .....are you willing to risk American values-our flag, our servicemen and women, our Constitution, our United States laws...to bring about so called "equality"...when in fact you are being played for a much bigger idealogy.
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Jan 22, 15 11:35 AM
The Southampton Town Board unanimously approved a two-part development plan on Tuesday afternoon that authorizes a broad redevelopment of land on both sides of the Shinnecock Canal in Hampton Bays.

By Undocumented Democrat (1893), southampton on Jan 20, 15 6:47 PM
Really? If you didn't notice, there's an article at the top of this page that explains what the Town Board approved. Thanks for the synopsis.
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 20, 15 11:27 PM
Who is the current owner of the southernmost parcel on the east side of the canal? This parcel was the old roadway that led to the old Montauk Highway bridge in front of Judge's and Altenkirch's. Was there a time when the County sold this parcel, or is it still held by Suffolk County?

Also, part of the plan shows the southern terminus of North Road being shifted to the east to allow more land on the Rechler property. I have seen nothing that would indicate the County has approved such ...more
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 20, 15 11:36 PM
That could be just a land swap with the developers and the county or something as simple as an agreement to shift the road away in exchange for paying to improve the road way. Its very common in the business. Its probably documented in the agreements with the county.
Its done all the time and doesn't mean these something illegal going on.
By Baymen87 (126), Lugoff, SC on Jan 22, 15 4:14 PM
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This was not a rhetorical question - I'm asking if anyone has knowledge if and when a transfer of the old highway parcel took place and at what price. Also if this was done by open bid?

I also am questioning if the County has granted approval to shift North Road to the east and put a bend in it and, if so, what was the quid pro quo. What "agreements with the county" are you speaking of? They don't seem to be with the documents on the Town's website.

I fully understand these ...more
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 23, 15 5:49 AM
a better question is why do you have you nose in hampton bays affairs is there not enough to worry about in whb
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Jan 23, 15 11:57 AM
I'm a resident of the Town of Southampton; this project has an effect on a larger area and population than Hampton Bays alone.

Why do you have your nose in it when until a week ago you listed your home as Southampton? And why do you have a problem with information about this project being brought into the light of day. What are you and/or the Rechlers trying to hide?
By VOS (1170), WHB on Jan 23, 15 9:52 PM
when do we start working ?
By Erin 27 E (1178), hampton bays on Jan 21, 15 2:30 PM
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I've been opposed to this plan all along because I personally don't believe restoring the CPI is worth letting the Rechlers have their way on both sides of the canal, but a majority of those who've spoken up feel otherwise.

That's democracy, and now that a plan is in place, I wish everyone involved well, and hope the project delivers the benefits the community expects.
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Jan 22, 15 9:57 AM
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Well said
By joe hampton (3300), southampton on Jan 22, 15 1:55 PM
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... TB, a majority of people that spoke or wrote were against, not for, the project. In the Press, this web site and at town meetings the majority were against this development. It is unfortunate that the Town Board did not hear them.

By William Rodney (530), southampton on Jan 23, 15 10:46 AM
That surprises me, Mr. Rodney, I really thought most people were for it, not necessarily for the whole project in so many words, but for saving the CPI, which comes to the same thing in this dynamic.

I don't think the Town Board pays any attention to 27east posts, and that's not surprising , given the tone of comments on this site. Letters in the Press may count for more, but the only public input that has any influence, I believe, is what's said or submitted in writing at public hearings. ...more
By Turkey Bridge (1927), Quiogue on Jan 23, 15 8:58 PM
Mr. Rodney you must have attended or watched different town meetings than I and others did. For years there were consistently more people and certainly more professionals, who supported the project.

Don't forget, people also contact the board members directly. Not everyone feels the need to put their name in the paper or stand up and talk at board meetings. Doesn't mean they didn't support the project. And of course 27east really doesn't figure into the outcome.

You are ...more
By bb (856), Hampton Bays on Jan 30, 15 6:49 PM
somebody has somebody in somebody's pocket
By patrickstar (67), hampton bays on Feb 2, 15 8:08 AM