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Altschuler Endorses East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson

Publication: The East Hampton Press
By Will James   Oct 11, 2011 5:00 PM
Oct 12, 2011 6:06 AM

Congressional candidate Randy Altschuler endorsed East Hampton Town Supervisor Bill Wilkinson this week in his bid for reelection.

“Bill brings a business approach to government that is sorely lacking in Washington, and he has a strong track record of saying what he is going to do, and then doing what he says,” Mr. Altschuler said in a press release issued on Monday. “That’s a rare quality in elected officials today, and Bill should be commended for the example he sets for all public servants, as well as aspiring public servants like me.”

Mr. Wilkinson, a Republican who is running for his second term, has also been endorsed by State Senator Kenneth P. LaValle and Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr.

His opponent, Zachary Cohen, who is running on the Democratic and Working Families lines, has been endorsed by U.S. Representative Tim Bishop, a Democrat. Mr. Bishop faced a tough challenge by Mr. Altschuler, a Republican, last year, holding onto his seat by a fraction of 1 percent of the vote.

Mr. Bishop also endorsed Mr. Cohen’s running mates for the Town Board, Sylvia Overby and Peter Van Scoyoc.

In a campaign letter sent to supporters by the East Hampton Town Democratic Committee, Mr. Bishop criticized Mr. Wilkinson for allegedly inviting Mr. Altschuler to a town meeting last year and making him an honorary chairman of his campaign, saying that he injected national politics into a local election.

Mr. Altschuler, a business owner from St. James, responded in the press release.

“While I know Congressman Bishop can’t resist ‘going negative’ when it comes to me, it’s disappointing that he doesn’t understand that your local race isn’t about me, and it isn’t about him; it’s about the future direction of your community,” he said.

Mr. Wilkinson is also cross-endorsed by the Conservative and Independence parties.

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By William Rodney (222), southampton on Oct 11, 11 7:11 PM
Mr Moneybags cannot wait to have his associates in India start making campaign calls for Wikenson! Bishop is educated, local, and has created more jobs for the East end then the Hedge fund manager's "boy". That's what you get from a carpetbagger from New Jersey. Thanks Randy, we appreciate your "local" smithtown roots.
By kelbas (29), Southampton on Oct 11, 11 9:07 PM
simpletons find great solace in there being one good guy and one bad guy. and your boy steve jobs made 60% of his profit our of the usa and employees scads of chinese slave labor. now what.
By Senior Sparky (2), Southampton on Oct 12, 11 5:55 AM
Speaking of simpletons, sparky . . .
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 12, 11 7:53 AM
Ohhh Kelbas - hope you vote in Southampton . . . where you will be right at home in a Town that is playing catch-up and laying people off . . . and didn't suffer the lies which cost East hampton a 30 million - 30 MILLION! - dollar deficit. It truly is not Randy Altschuler or Tim Bishop that count in the election in East Hampton this year - but the three "big" issues put forth by the Democrat leadership and candidates: hiring a town manager and/or an executive assistant to "help" would-be Supervisor ...more
By Board Watcher (486), East Hampton on Oct 11, 11 11:48 PM
why is this even news? like reporting the sun rises in the east. why would anyone want the endorsement of a losing candidate?

By harbor (94), East Hampton on Oct 12, 11 8:38 AM
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Job Shipping Randy is irrelevant. He lost and he will lose again if he is silly enough to run. His heartless agenda of cutting taxes for the super rich and eliminating medicare will not sit well with the American public.

By Steven (113), Westhampton on Oct 12, 11 3:47 PM
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In fairness,we don't know what Altshulers' agenda will comprise this time;I would like to see what he campaigns on and what policies he will be supporting.If he projects the same positions he did in the last election or takes a hard right turn to win the radical right wing's support,Bishop will win by a larger margin than last time.The tea party has sho it's load-the new populism is building around the OWS movement.
In the interest of full disclosure,I campaigned and voted for Bishop in the ...more
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 12, 11 4:55 PM
eliminating medicare? Randy is in favor of that? Can you cite your source.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 13, 11 4:21 PM
Randy wins with 54% of the vote because Bishop is a do nothing, go-along to get-along "congressman." Bishop sits by as our economy goes down the tubes and is a rubber stamp for Obama and Pelosi. He has never had an original idea. He has been in Congress long enough to have a little influence - but does not -- because his own caucus view him as a hollow light weight. Altschuler is smart, aggressive, full of ideas and will be a voice for the east end and force in Congress.
By mrmako61 (148), southampton on Oct 13, 11 8:44 PM
Razza baby!
Repubs have tried to eliminate Medicare since Roosevelt first proposed it. Really? They didn't tell you? The last time was under Bush, when they called their latest scheme to kill Medicare, "privatization."

After all, who but Razza doesn't know Repubs kowtow to their major supporters? Pharma, oil & gas, mining are the ones who create wealth, not workers, not the middle class. Repubs just wanted to throw Wall St. a little of the action because they're charitable & endlessly ...more
By mo (81), Sag Harbor on Oct 15, 11 2:10 AM
Wow. That's a lot of drivel without answering my question. Can you cite a source that's says Randy wants to kill Medicare? I thought not. .
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 16, 11 10:42 PM
Randy Atschuler is quite clear in his political philosophy that he again reiterates in this endorsement. Govedrnment should be approached as a business. "a business approach to government that is sorely lacking in Washington" is whAT is needed today, praising the local endorsee for doing just that. Big business is what has made us competetive & rich; it is what should govern the government polices.

The hand of the market is the reality of natural law that is not welcomed by big government. ...more
By mo (81), Sag Harbor on Oct 13, 11 5:47 PM
Business exists because of the benefits of governement.
Since you so well describe the Burkean philosophy you should also be familiar with the discussions between Thomas Paine and Edmund Burke on this very subject.Burke argued for a ruling class and a large underclass,which is exactly what your post supports.
Paine argues that corporations diminish the rights of the individual-what he called the "common rights of national society".
To give corporations rights equal to those of the ...more
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 13, 11 7:04 PM
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"Dead Peasant's insurance".

'Nuff said...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 13, 11 8:15 PM
Kind of makes you wonder about some posters here who are so eager to make generous loans....

things th make you go hhmmm....
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 13, 11 9:26 PM
Dear Mo, I hope Randi is paying you well.
But I lost interest after the 17th. paragraph :)
By elliot (203), sag harbor on Oct 13, 11 11:41 PM
YEA & YES. I suppose I didn't make the irony evident. I agree with you. My statement was a pastiche of the Repubs, restating their meaningless & illogical cliches like "small government."
By mo (81), Sag Harbor on Oct 14, 11 3:44 AM
Spoken like a card carrying member of The Flea Party. Business exists because of the benefits of government? You will have us believe that you were born in this country, educated here and have raised kids in the United States of America and at the end of that life experience you have concluded that business exists because of the benefits of government? Your straightjacket is the perfect avatar for you, you are either putting us on or you are way too confused and misinformed to ever come back. ...more
By Voyeur 2 (2), Good Ground on Oct 14, 11 7:10 AM
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Me a tea bagger?
are you serious?
I've been called many things here including a socialist,a commie and many things I won't repeat.
But that's the first time anyone ever called me a member of that ignorant,stupid,brain-dead collection of morons.
I guess I should be insulted.
when I finally stop laughing.

by the way,on the straightjacket is the symbol for the tea party.
It's their official attire.
Oct 14, 11 4:33 PM appended by philathome
My post was made from a totally liberal point of view-after all,Thomas Paine was a liberal,as were most of our founding fathers.Both Jefferson and Paine warned against the dangers of generational wealth and corporate power negatively influencing government
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 14, 11 4:33 PM
Phil, you've made it quite clear you're not a member of the Tea Party, which promotes Constitutionality and individual freedoms, but a member of the Teat Party, which modern liberalism has come to be defined where government dependency and entitlements abound. No, you're a teat bagger for sure. Current events with the Occupy Wall Street morons givens crystal clear clarity of who and what you are, and you for sure, aren't a Tea Bagger.
By Captn America (3808), Southampton on Oct 14, 11 10:29 PM
Though misconstrued, I would hope Phil feels the same way others and I do.

This country should, and always must be based on a hard work ethic. We have come to a point in our history, where fiscal megalomaniacs have taken "hard work" coupled with ego, as well as self entitlement, and BURNED the rest of society with income inequality.

There SHOULD be a "safety net" if the unthinkable knocks you flat on your back, or worse in our society. HOWEVER, IT SHOULD NOT BE ABUSED.
Oct 14, 11 11:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
Or, worse yet, "gerrymandered" into creating a population dependent on handouts. The lack of sustainability, is the root of the ill in our society.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 14, 11 11:20 PM
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OWS will far outpace the tea party as a grassroots movement to effect change in this country because it is inclusive and directs the frustration at the true source of the problems our nation faces.
We are now beginning to challenge the selfish attitudes and stagnant policies hat began with the 'me first' generation that was ushered in with Reagan.
The tea party interprets the constitution only in the way that conveniently fits its own agenda;it advocates changing it where it supports ...more
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 15, 11 6:06 AM
As Matt Taibbi pointed out so eloquently, the Tea Party is an anachronism.

Not only that, but look who funded it. That should tell you all you need to know. They wanted to create "chaos", and now it will burn their ashes so badly, that not even a phoenix could ressurect it.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 17, 11 6:28 PM
And good riddance.
The Occupy demonstration held last weekend in Sag Harbor drew about 10x as many people as any of the tea party protests held there or anywhere on the east End.
Which movement appears to have captured the publics' response to our current crisis,and who do they appear to blame it on?
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 18, 11 4:49 PM
This guy says he is an "aspiring public servant".

If your aspriations are so diligent, why did you leave your home district to fulfill them? Why didn't you leave here, after you lost, like you did your home?

The answer is because you think you smell blood in the water, and believe you can use the current air of political discontent to remove an incumbent. You think you can use the people of this district as your "stepping stone" toward delusions of polititcal granduer?

If ...more
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 13, 11 8:31 PM
More like an aspiring self-servant.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 13, 11 8:50 PM
Oh. My. Goodness. Can't you people EVER stay on topic? I don't care what letter someone has behind his/her name - is there any REAL reason someone in East Hampton should pull the lever for Zach Cohen?
By Board Watcher (486), East Hampton on Oct 13, 11 10:06 PM
So your telling me that Tim bishops ringing endorsement of Cohen isn't reason. Timmy wouldn't endorse someone for political reasons. He is an honest open minded elected official serving his community. He always puts his constituents ahead of his party. LOL
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 14, 11 5:09 AM
Here, astonishingly, I agree with razza. He is right, Tim Bishop, knowing Dems care about & value public education, people's access to medical service because it is a right, not a privilege of the rich, fair and safe workplaces, government oversight over food quality, regulations for the markets, the banks, the financial industry, medical devices, clean drinking water and many more progressive victories for the consumer, because he is an open minded and honest elected official, who strives to be ...more
By mo (81), Sag Harbor on Oct 15, 11 3:08 AM
I like your blog name. Very appropriate.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 19, 11 7:52 PM
L'il Tim has about as much integrity and independance as the AWS FLEABAGGERS! Socialist to the core.
By bigfresh (1137), north sea on Oct 16, 11 6:17 AM
Well, since unfettered, unregulated Capitalism has done such wonders for the country, and the world, maybe just a touch of Socialism could get us back on track to a sustainable system.

However, you are so blinded by your own success, AND fail MISERABLY at not only walking in the shoes of another, but seeing life through their eyes, well...
Oct 17, 11 6:15 PM appended by Mr. Z
Y'know, for a landscaper, you sure have SOME trouble seeing the forest for the trees...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 17, 11 6:15 PM
We've hardly had unfettered, unregulated capitalism in the US. The problem is exactly the opposite, where regulation and that touch of socialism you so want has actually added to our current problems. Obamacare for example will bury this country in debt. Statist, socialist, pro big government types are a funny breed. Once they get a taste they want more and more. There is no such thing as just having a touch. And we know it has worked so well for North Korea.
Oct 17, 11 10:03 PM appended by Captn America
Y'know, for a garbage man, you sure have SOME trouble seeing the treasure in the trash.
By Captn America (3808), Southampton on Oct 17, 11 10:03 PM
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I think you forgot to read your legislative History.

Since Donald Regan pushed through reform in the early '80's, to the GLBA in 1998, and the commodities, futures modernization act of 2000, there has been nothing BUT solid de-regulation. You can also tack on the clandestine letters to the CFTC that Goldman Sachs corresponded with, which MODIFIED the futures market by CHANGING the definition of a physical hedger. This led to TRILLIONS of dollars pouring into the new betting arena it opened ...more
Oct 18, 11 3:14 PM appended by Mr. Z
The short version would be, the more they undermined our system, the more unstable it became, until it blew up in the world's face. The more the "elite" fiscal megalomaniacs took for themselves, the more they forced everyone else to live deeper in debt to have anything. The more the system was undermined, and de-regulated, the more unbalanced it became, accumulating 75% of "new wealth" in the pockets of the upper 10%. Less than a quarter of it trickled down to the other 90% of the country. It is, what it is...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 18, 11 3:14 PM
And, for reference, North Korea IS NOT a Socialist country.

It is a COMMUNIST (Stalinist) DICTATORSHIP.

If you're going to try and pass someone else off as ignorant, or uninformed, you better be less so.

Just a suggestion.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 18, 11 3:19 PM
Of course cappie has to add an addendum where he talks down at someone who does hard work that he himself sees as below himself.
This is the attitude the OWS movement is protesting-the disdain for working people.
Cappie has no concience and no ethical regard for anyone who works;a perfect example of the arrogant Amerian.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 18, 11 4:45 PM
Phil, you and your socialist ideologs are a sad joke; follow the thread please. Z in his addendum added some humor to the profession of a landscaper, I did the same for my understanding of Z's profession as a garbage collector. Typical liberal interjection of class into a discussion as a means of waging war on society and divide individuals against one another. Your Occupy Wall Street degenerates are even interjecting Jewish heritage into talking points of the disdain for the "wealthy." I'm ...more
Oct 19, 11 9:10 AM appended by Captn America
Z, I’m well aware of the difference between socialist and communist nations. Point being, socialism has never been one of America’s core or founding principles and to say “maybe just a touch of Socialism could get us back on track to a sustainable system” and use of “unfettered unregulated Capitalism” is IGNORANT in itself given the complete failure of stimulus and “unfettered regulation” like the Barney Frank and Chris Dodd Fannie Mae debacle that DEregulated the home loan industry and directly caused the collapse of the real estate market.
By Captn America (3808), Southampton on Oct 19, 11 9:10 AM
I think that it bears mentioning, that if not FOR acts of "Socialism", there would not be an economy for small business out here post crash.

It was a "Socialist" act (TARP), without which businesses like bf's would have FAILED, just like so many thousands of others. It also bears mentioning that all those people whose businesses failed worked just as hard, if not harder.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 19, 11 9:17 AM
Correcting the appended post above to remove the DE in regulation in reference to the mortgage industry. The US has a history of regulating its capitalism and whenever government gets involved the consumer and the industry pays the price. Some might say that we "added a little socialism" to the mortgage industry, you know, spread the wealth around, share the American dream, etc. Problem being, some people simply shouldn't be homeowners. Government recently regulation BOA and debit cards... who ...more
Oct 19, 11 3:47 PM appended by Captn America
Z, I see you're now qualifying your original statements on unfettered deregulation to the financial markets. No issue there, I agree. But unfettered deregulated captialism, I have issue with such a broad statement.
By Captn America (3808), Southampton on Oct 19, 11 3:47 PM
Its been unfetterd capitalism that has crashed the economy throughout history-from Tulip mania,supposed riches of the new world to the crashes of 1873,1893 (not to mention 1933) and 1987 and our most recent.
Government is responsible,particularly republican policies of de-regulation that allows business to take advantage of working and poor peopleNow the people are standing up to it and it scares the hell out of you because all the dishoinest policies you support to advance your greed and ...more
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 19, 11 4:02 PM
Regulation is put in place to protect the public-which is the governments' responsibility.It's natural for those who aren't bothered by concience to disregard the interests of the public,as you demonstrate in your posts.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 19, 11 4:34 PM
Phil, thanks for the history indoctination. tulip mania, really?, noted, buy low sell high. Duhh. But unfettered capitalism on a broad scale is not what has been taking place in the US. While derugulation of certain elements may have contributed to our current woes, regulation also contributed. There was no common sense added to either equation. Some was over regulated, some was under regulated

We've been down this road before, Bush W was one of the highest regulation presidents in ...more
Oct 20, 11 8:51 AM appended by Captn America
Yes Phil, degenerates. Defecating on police cars, spewing hatred against Jewish individuals, these are the acts of low life’s. The left has called the Tea Party far worse and for no reason other than they disagree with message. Nice double standard you have. One needs to look no further that the actions and the difference in the message of the two groups to see who has the best interests of the country at heart.
By Captn America (3808), Southampton on Oct 20, 11 8:51 AM
So now the people who took to the streets are degenerates-does that definition hold for the tea party who were the os who called for people to take to the streets?
Nice double standard.The people recognise and protest financial mismanagement by the people responsible,which includes government but identifies the banks and financial sector,who are primarily rsponsible, and you call them degenerates.You obviously don't have a very high opinion of the American people.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 20, 11 4:19 PM
bf, this one's for you:


17th October 2011
Photo with 29 notes

I am 25. I have a degree, no loans, and no debt. I own a thriving business, a magazine, and can afford all the things that I want. I was born into privilege and have always been insured.

I feel guilty. It breaks my heart to see so many people without the means to survive. I long for change, for equality.

I will camp at Occupy Miami until it’s different. I will rage for progress with ...more
Oct 18, 11 3:55 PM appended by Mr. Z
If you get the chance, check out Taibbi on Imus.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 18, 11 3:55 PM
So you are willing to give up your hard earned wealth to somebody who doesnt want to work at all? That may work for you but I can gaurentee 99% of people wouldnt.
By GoldenBoy (163), EastEnd on Oct 18, 11 4:09 PM
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That's NOT what we're saying. Christ, fear can make people so simple minded.

If you honestly get knocked flat on your back, YES, there should be some safety net until you can get back on your feet.

Maybe we could create a few jobs, ferreting out government, and benefit FRAUD.
Oct 18, 11 4:20 PM appended by Mr. Z
For reference, it's your tax money, that paid for the bailout of the self entitled, fiscal megalomaniacs who believe they are worth a lotto jackpot on a per annum basis.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 18, 11 4:20 PM
Well, here's a good one.

How is it that a country like Venezuela has FREE health care for everyone, they still have barrios, and they're elite still live "high on the hog"?
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 18, 11 7:01 PM
Because Venezuela is a freaking dictatorship! Is that your vision of Utopia? Please tell me I misunderstood your point. What do the FLEABAGGERS hope to accomplish by staging their bitchfest? Time for these folks with delusions of grandeur and over inflated entitlement issues to move on, get a job and work their way up in whatever organization hires them. A college degree doesn't guarantee a 6 figure statrting salary or more of an opportunity than a person with real world experience and a proven ...more
By bigfresh (1137), north sea on Oct 19, 11 10:06 AM
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I knew if I laid it down, you'd fall in.

Venezuela is a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. Has been since 1958. Chavez was elected to office by the majority of his people, and has been helping make sure the people of the "barrio" have an education, proper medical care, and where they go from there is up to them.

You know nothing of this world, or government, or even the difference between communism, socialism, and democracy.

You sir, are a hard nosed, right wing, ignorant fraud, with ...more
Oct 19, 11 5:28 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, just for reference, maybe if more systems south of the Rio Grande were similar, we wouldn't have a tenth of the illegal immigrants we do. There would be less, little, or no need.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 19, 11 5:28 PM
Now that I think about it, you probably don't even know who Simon Bolivar was, do you?
Oct 19, 11 5:53 PM appended by Mr. Z
One thing I know is that if you do finish you Master's, you can guarantee yourself $200,000 in debt these days. I think you could buy a house for that. Well, anywhere except the East End. Good luck saving for a down payment on a house, you couldn't begin to until you are at least thirty,or older at that rate. As I mentioned above, the footsteps of a stranger...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 19, 11 5:53 PM
Google:

Studen loan debt hits record levels
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 19, 11 7:34 PM
Not sure if it's true but have heard their is legislation being proposed to forgive all student loans. Next will be credit card debt and then mortgages. After that we can all take a trip to candyland and cross gum drop pass.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 19, 11 7:49 PM
Golden Boy, humpf, what a name for a heartless empty head. All my friends there in the Hamptons WANT to work. The locals always have worked hard with their hands and feet when they can get work. Hard earned wealth? I never saw a wealthy man work to exhaustion.
By summertime (488), summerfield fl on Oct 19, 11 10:39 AM
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Once again summertime miss understands the point and the question. Where in my post did i say anything about local workers? That was a direct question to Mr. Z. Your statements are idiotic, im sorry.
By GoldenBoy (163), EastEnd on Oct 19, 11 4:10 PM
Though I liked the comment, and have had a few occasions to get a "runner's high" on a heavy summer Monday, the "pot-shot" was not necessary here.

Maybe goldenboy was being a litle general, and insensitive to those who cannot find work, no matter how many hundreds of resumes they have sent out. Or, toward those small business owners whose clientele have lost their disposable income, and in turn, that business has closed it's doors.

But, I'm more than sure he's not heartless, or ...more
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 19, 11 5:45 PM
Yugo Chavez is a dictator, the "election" is a fraud in Venezuela. The government owns the oil, not private companies. Try speaking freely in a public forum there and see how Dictatorships, socialism and communism have never worked, wise up.
By bigfresh (1137), north sea on Oct 20, 11 6:33 AM
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Agreed big fresh. If z feels Chavez has put together this utopian society then perhaps he should move there.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 20, 11 8:22 AM
So when a majority votes for and elects a leader you call that fraud? How would you elect a leader?
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 20, 11 4:23 PM
And Razz jumps right in with a foolish follow-up.
Americans who have different opinions should not live in America.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 20, 11 4:24 PM
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Apparently, a 74% turnout and 11 million people casting ballots is a fraud.

It ain't utopia, but he must be doing something right for his people to love him so much, they manage to defeat a military coup within three days.

Their National Assmebly and every branch, legislative, judicial, citizen, and electoral must be completely "on the take", eh? He must be an absolute GENIUS to cover up such a fraud.

Just quit while you still have some "face" left...
Oct 20, 11 6:07 PM appended by Mr. Z
Didn't not only the OAS, but the Carter Center validate the election results? Let me guess, Jimmy Carter and his people are "in on it" too.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 20, 11 6:07 PM
And, hey, while we're at it, why not accuse personnel at Johns Hopkins, and Princeton University of being "on the take" as well. They were involved too.
Oct 20, 11 6:23 PM appended by Mr. Z
And while we're at it, if you want to discuss hegemony, look at all the Goldman Sachs alumni in our government. That should bother you...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 20, 11 6:23 PM
Hey,Z-Maybe we can book passage on some slow steamer to South America and live in that utopia.We could be Butch and Sundance.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 20, 11 7:34 PM
Defending Chavez. Really? Unreal.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 21, 11 9:06 AM
Phil. You miss my point. If America sucks so bad "as you claim" and Chavez is great why don't you just move there. I'll pay for the one way plane ticket
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 21, 11 9:14 AM
I already told you-you beleive people who advocate change for the better within our country should go somewhere else-that's the divisive attitude that keeps this country from being able to solve the problems facing us.
Thanks for illustrating it so well.
I couldn't have done it without you.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 21, 11 3:52 PM
And I never said the country sucks-those are your words,and they refelct your animosity toward any effort to improve it.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 21, 11 9:29 PM
You put those words in quotes as if I said them.I never did.
Your a liar.
By philathome (8360), Southampton on Oct 21, 11 9:33 PM
I've got two words for bigfresh:

"Villa Grimaldi"

This country has installed more dictators, than it has ever created democracy outside it's borders.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 21, 11 6:29 AM
HMMMMM, who ran against Hugo Chavez? Did he get any votes? They have elections in Cuba too, care to live in that Utopia?
By bigfresh (1137), north sea on Oct 21, 11 6:52 AM
Well, that's the thing.

Cuba actually IS a dictatorship. Limited in party politics, freedom of speech, and completely totalitarian. The great thing for South America these days, is that every leader is from the indigenous population. Not some caucasian dictator, or corporatist installed by the CIA to be a puppet, as to exploit the natural resources of a foreign country, and pay pennies on the dollar to the majority of the population. Thereby, exploiting them, and driving them into poverty ...more
Oct 21, 11 4:49 PM appended by Mr. Z
I think the most interesting opinion that some have down there is how they view Bush's statement about "going to war." . There's alot of ways to go to war, and economics is a tactile weapon.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 21, 11 4:49 PM
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to Mr. Z:

Quote:

"The great thing for South America these days, is that every leader is from the indigenous population."

Say what?!

The girls & boys in Brazil, Argentina & Chile look like European Caucasians to me.


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to raza5350 & bigfresh:

If you can find a single authoritative source that claims that Hugo Chavez is NOT the popular choice ...more
By highhatsize (2004), East Quogue on Oct 21, 11 10:12 PM
Most of the people who have been in the head office over the last 40 years or so did not have Mayan, Aztec, or Incan roots.

For example, Pinochet was French, and Spanish. No native blood, whatsoever.
Oct 22, 11 9:04 AM appended by Mr. Z
I'm sorry, maybe a litle from his mother. He was born an Aristocrat, however, and some other people were born in a mud hut, with palm leaves for a roof.
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 22, 11 9:04 AM
In regard to him being the popular choice, look at it this way:

After the boom, and squander of the country's oil industry in the eighties, 2/3 of the country lived in poverty. This guy instituted reform, gave people the right to medical care, and an education, as well as FULL control of the natural resources of their country. Maybe things aren't perfect for them, but they have come a long way from such poverty. Alot of the poor usually received no better than an elementary school education, ...more
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 22, 11 9:36 AM
Highhat you can't be serious. I disagree with you from time to time but you are way off here. Chavez has taken over the nations oil, banks, radio stations, ect. He has instituted no term limits and reshaped their constitution. Need I go on. I take it Saddam won every election fair and square as well when he was in power. Even Phil and z's messiah obama calls him a dangerous demagogue.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 22, 11 12:14 AM
No term limits doesn't mean you can't be unseated.

Did FDR not do a good job?

We laid down term limits, because of the "Red Scare", mostly because people who have seated themselves in power for life usually have a VERY poor human rights record.

By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 22, 11 9:12 AM
When a life filled with dignity is too much to ask from the society you live in, maybe it's time for your society stop taking so much from you.

I kind of like that little snippet...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 22, 11 9:47 AM
to raza5350:

Chavez is NOT an autocrat. All his power was given him by the electorate of Venezuela in democratic elections and he is still subject to the law. Even those who hate him don't claim that his elections and plebiscites were illegitimate but rather that the Venezuelan people have been misled.

Comparing him to Saddam is inappropriate. As far as I know, Saddam ruled by whim. HE was the law, regardless of what legal fictions propped up his dictatorship. His secret police ...more
By highhatsize (2004), East Quogue on Oct 22, 11 10:52 AM
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High I am not demonizing him because he is a socialist. He is no different than saddam and akmajinidad. They were both elected "fairly". In my mind and in the mind of most people if one changes the constitution and starts seizing property and business for national interest you are no longer a democracy. he is in most peoples mind a dictator. I will agree to disagree with you 100%. I am shocked you would even defend such a person who even considered khadafi a matyr.
By razza5350 (1514), East Hampton on Oct 22, 11 11:57 AM
Our government INSTALLED Saddam Hussein as ruler of Iraq, decades ago. His "fair elections", were landslides of 11 million, to ZERO in favor of his retaining leadership.

Seriously, dig a little deeper...
By Mr. Z (5958), North Sea on Oct 25, 11 4:01 PM
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