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Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PMPublication: The East Hampton Press

Funding For East Hampton Clinic Expected To Survive Veto

Nov 14, 2011 10:48 AM

Suffolk County Legislator Jay Schneiderman said this week that he expects to be able to override a veto by Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy of funding for the county health clinic in East Hampton. The resolution vetoed last Thursday would have provided $32,500 in county funds annually for at least two years to pay rent to keep the facility open.

The clinic is run by the County Department of Health Services in an East Hampton Housing Authority building on Accabonac Road. It has been serving the uninsured under a 10-year agreement, initiated when Mr. Schneiderman was East Hampton Town supervisor, in which East Hampton Town paid the housing authority $1 annually for the space.

When that agreement expired on June 30, 2011, the town did not pursue an option to renew the lease at $32,500 annually. To prevent the clinic from closing, Mr. Schneiderman pushed for the county to fill the breach, which the County Legislature voted unanimously to do, approving both a new lease and the expenditure earlier this fall.

Mr. Schneiderman said he expected to be able to override the spending veto just as the legislature overrode a veto of the lease. “It’s been his position all along that the town should pay,” he said of Mr. Levy.

“This is not the time to be adding costs that we did not shoulder last year,” Mr. Levy said in a press release. “Now, East Hampton has backed away from its original commitment and it is hard to understand why the County Legislature would agree to pay $30,000 in rent for this facility while health clinics around the county have been cut significantly due to a reduction in state aid.”

Mr. Schneiderman has said that, while the county does spend perhaps $1 million annually to operate the clinic, it is unusual in that elsewhere the county also provides the space for clinics it runs either by owning the facilities outright, or leasing them.

Funding for the clinic’s rent is already factored in to the county budget, Mr. Schneiderman added. The resolution may come up for a revote at the legislature’s November 9 meeting on the operating budget, or it may be voted on at a general meeting on November 22.

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...thankfully there is plenty of money to purchase acres and acres of land...but providing basic medical aid for the poor and destitute?
By V.Tomanoku (790), southampton on Oct 28, 11 3:07 PM
I've got a REALLY stupid idea.

How about BOTH entities "shoulder the burden"? Maybe 50/50, 40/60?

Then again, like most of the Republicans would say, maybe the poor and destitute need to work harder, so they can afford decent medical care.

PHLLLBBBBBT!!!!

Mind you, this is a group of people, which are an embarrassingly poor study of their own society. In reality, they're mostly just a bunch of the three letter word in the adverb's right of center.

Don't ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Oct 28, 11 3:45 PM
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Why do I have to work 2 jobs to barely get by? Why does almost half of my annual pay go away in taxes and more than half if you want to include sales tax and taxes built in to the price of goods and services?
Why is it my responsibility to pay for a clinic in East Hampton? Who's helping me with my insurance bills?
Maybe Mr. Z should establish a non profit to support this clinic and solicit donations rather than blame Republicans.
I don't want my earnings to go to anyone other than me ...more
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 29, 11 1:52 PM
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Well, maybe if they didn't fail at their job, you'd feel differently.

Providence forbid you help a stranger, who is in more dire straits than you...
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Oct 30, 11 5:35 PM
Honestly, have you taken a good look around lately "ridiculous"?

Government is not the problem in our society. It's the people in it, and the way they behave. There are "jewels in the rough", but for the most part it is the "me" culture this society has become. It's really amazing how so many Congressman become millionaires, working for 174k a year. Lord, it's a fiscal MIRACLE!!

Government is NOT the problem. It's the selfish bastards running it, and our corporatocracy that ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 20, 11 12:15 PM
The way I understand it East Hampton was supposed to pay Wilkinson wouldn't so Sneiderman tried to do the right thing by the people. How sad if this closes.
By disappointed (96), wainscott on Oct 28, 11 4:14 PM
Actually that is not quite true. The county, last year, said they were going to pick up the option on the lease for the $32,500. In fact it was all worked out with the county so the town did not put it in the 2011 budget. Then the county backed out in July. Ask Maureen Murphy -- the executive director of the Housing Authority -- who negotiated the lease extension with the county. The town has no commitment as Levy says to pay for the 5 year option. Ms. Murphy will tell you she had a deal with ...more
By formertbm (76), east hampton on Oct 28, 11 6:30 PM
What must be understood is that Levy has spent his tenure trying to dismantle the little health services the County provides, even though it administers NY State programs and Federal monies from HUD, Dept of Agriculture, the DEA, Business Administration, etc. He has decimated the public health nurse program that had only been doing triage, before he came in. Even though the Legislature passed a line item budget to pay for public nursing, he refused to hire new nurses to even replace nurses who quit ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Nov 1, 11 3:08 AM
I agree. It's unfortunate. However Something tells me they will work this out and it will remain open. It is more convenient and cost effective for uninsured US citizens to use the facility instead of the hospital emergency room for treatment. The truth is I have been in the buildIng before. If I was an INS agent who actually obeyed federal law I would have a field day.
By razza5350 (1911), East Hampton on Oct 29, 11 6:37 AM
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Formertbm is correct- nice try dissappointed. In any event, it is clear that the Legislature is going to overide the veto so - good work Jay!
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Oct 29, 11 9:00 AM
Board Watcher: September 19, 2011 Jay Schneiderman introduced IR 1768-2011
"Once the clinic opened it was agreed that the town would pay the Housing Authority $1 per year for rent for ten years with an option to extend at $32,500 per year. The ten year agreement expired and due to fiscal constraints of the Town the renewal option was not exercised nor did the Town pay the Housing Authority rent."
By disappointed (96), wainscott on Oct 30, 11 4:35 AM
Yes - and?? The fact is the current Town Board didn't budget for this expense because it didn't have to because it was relying on an agreement between the County (Steve Levy/Schneiderman) and the Town (have to ask Ms. Murphy if you're confused) wherein the County would take over the whole lease vs. the Town renewing the "option". Which it didn't do. Levy renegged. Schneiderman picked up the slack and did a great job for the Town - and us, his consituents . . . and???
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Oct 30, 11 11:35 PM
I shouldn't have said "renewing" the "option" - it is really "excercsing" and "option" - which the Town didn't do - and was nder no obligation to do. I would imagine if it was forced with a "real" situation where the clinic would have closed the Town Board may have discussed this a little more - but Jay saved the day ... good for all!
By Board Watcher (534), East Hampton on Oct 30, 11 11:39 PM
Ridiculous,
if you pay 1/2 of yr earnings in taxes, something is terribly wrong that the county wants to reneg on providing payment for a health care clinic in a town where you don't live. It would be pound foolish and penny wise for the county to shortchange health services to those in need. There are many services the county provides like golf courses (7 of them) with their country clubs & dirt cheap membership dues. It provides for the upkeep of golf courses as well as the upkeep of county ...more
By mo (89), Sag Harbor on Oct 31, 11 2:22 AM
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Thank you.

It would seem there are some sane people left in this world.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 21, 11 6:40 PM
SOUNDS LIKE A PAGE OUT OF THE FLEABAGGER MANIFESTO

GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM, NOT THE SOLUTION

GOTTA GO, I'M LATE FOR WORK,, TRY IT SOMETIME
By bigfresh (4665), north sea on Oct 31, 11 7:57 AM
Big fresh, you must clean septic tanks for a living.
By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 20, 11 5:55 PM
Hey, are you the same McMann out of Texas, who wrote that killer scientific paper?
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 20, 11 8:24 PM
I was saving this little nugget. but I could always use it twice for arguement's sake.

Back in '95 after the collapse of the Soviet Union, North Korea requested "Humanitarian Aid" for their people. The money came to their shores, and the "elite" proceeded to dole about 60% of it to themselves, and leave most of the people to starve, or eat tree bark. The world was not happy about this, and we basically said "[expletive deleted] YOU.", and pulled out.

Do we know any type of business ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 21, 11 2:06 PM
It's been a long day, but here's one more tidbit for y'all:

"An estimated 47 percent of the lawmakers in Congress, says a new Center for Responsive Politics count, now rate as millionaires. This tally actually low-balls the congressional millionaire cohort — since the Center's calculations don't take into account either primary residences or artwork and other personal valuables. How do lawmakers pile up the big dough? Some — like Spencer Bachus, the Alabama Republican who chairs ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 21, 11 10:51 PM
Mr. Z, we don't, can you please illuminate further? 16 year ago, North Korea requested aid and it came to their shores, but some people had to eat tree bark and the world was not happy about this...hey Mr. Z, what color is the sky in your world? You ain't kidding, sounds like it was a long day alright. At 12:15 government wasn't the problem it was how people behave. At 2:06pm money that came to the shores of Korea had approximately 60% of it doled out amongst themselves...are you sure it was around ...more
Nov 22, 11 6:37 AM appended by Upthesleeve
Z, Bertrand Russell calls envy the ultimate form of unhappiness. As one of the seven deadly sins, you should work through it. Your posts reflect years of envy and as you surely know - Both envy and jealousy are etymologically related to schadenfreude, the rejoicing at, or taking joy in, or getting pleasure from the misfortunes of others. Not good.
By Upthesleeve (6), southampton on Nov 22, 11 6:37 AM
It's about looking at things rationally, and as suspect.

The example is about proportions. Right now, the "middle class" is basically being told "**** you", this is what you are worth. Here is another shining example of how the "elite" create jobs:

"More math that helps explain top 1 percent America: Sales at Walgreen, America’s largest drugstore chain, rose 7 percent in fiscal 2011. But profits for the year rose 30 percent, and compensation for Walgreen CEO Gregory Wasson ...more
Nov 22, 11 5:27 PM appended by Mr. Z
And, OH YEAH, it's an EXAMPLE of the type of behavior that has wrecked our society.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 22, 11 5:27 PM
Sorry if you can't draw the greed driven behavioral parallel between the way a top heavy, communist dictatorship, and a top heavy corporate america functions.

My apologies for being too presumptive in regard to spatial reasoning skills out there.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 22, 11 6:40 PM
"Z, Bertrand Russell calls envy the ultimate form of unhappiness. As one of the seven deadly sins, you should work through it. Your posts reflect years of envy and as you surely know - Both envy and jealousy are etymologically related to schadenfreude, the rejoicing at, or taking joy in, or getting pleasure from the misfortunes of others. Not good."

If you think this is about envy, you're dead in the water. I don't envy them. In fact, I pity them. I would NEVER live like these people, ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 22, 11 7:56 PM
Walgreen obviously found some positions that are not necessary. It's called streamlining, less overhead = more profit, that's why business exists.
By bigfresh (4665), north sea on Nov 22, 11 5:35 PM
Nope.

It's called screwing good, loyal, hardworking people so the oligarchy can pocket more wealth for themselves. If it wasn't for the raise, you may have a valid point.

Quite despicable, really.

If you ever worked in "Corporate America" (doubtful), you'd know they do stupid stuff like this all the time to see if it works. It will most likely end up sacrificing training of associates, quality of customer service, and good people their livelihoods. In fact, I can tell ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 22, 11 6:44 PM
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

~ Frederic Bastiat

Goodnight.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 23, 11 12:20 AM
OK ZZZZZ, How would you run a business? In the real world of course, answering to shareholders, dealing with increasing overhead costs, union demands and impending ballooning med insurance costs due to Obamacare.
By bigfresh (4665), north sea on Nov 23, 11 3:39 PM
Legislate greed.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 23, 11 7:34 PM
That's your answer? Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear with my question. You've been hard on business in general, so how would YOU run a business. There are your shareholders to answer to, there has to be profits to pay dividends. How would you deal with increasing overhead, having the capital to meet payroll, remember , you have to match the FICA for each employee. Union demands that cut into your profit , such as loss of productivity, paid vacations, maternity leave, etc. Health care costs, there's ...more
By bigfresh (4665), north sea on Nov 24, 11 9:54 AM
You act like you're telling me things I don't know.

Funny how a man who cannot tell me how markets function these days, how they've been manipulated, and why any bubble in the last thirty years imploded, knows what kind of people in a major corporation are "disposable" so the upper crust can increase compensation by 36%. A pay increase, 1M of which could employ 20 people at 50k a year. A great "Scrooge" manuever, just in time for Christmas. A man who most likely has no idea who Joe Cassano ...more
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 28, 11 5:23 PM
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As for how I would run a business, it would be run as more of a "co-op", much like a democracy. I would build a team over time, and working capital would be the paramount goal, not excessive compensation.

For a man who claims to believe in democracy, you quite easily defend business models that operate like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Nov 28, 11 5:35 PM appended by Mr. Z
Take only that, which you need to survive. Pampered luxury has it's price, obviously...
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 28, 11 5:35 PM
And, for someone who cries so much about "Obamacare", I've never heard ONE word about McCarran-Ferguson.

Why?

Because you don't get it, unless you are fed it.
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 28, 11 10:35 PM
BigFresh, its futile. Asking these knuckleheads how to run a business is like asking them how they would split the atom. They have no idea, which is good. Let's us survivalists rise to the top. This is just the way it has to be, some got it and some don't. It is called natural selection. There are creators and there are those that are passive and feel entitled. The less they know the better, let's keep the secrets of leadership to ourselves. Secure in my position in the 1%, I am Upthesleeve. ...more
By Upthesleeve (6), southampton on Nov 24, 11 11:32 AM
Actually, spliltting atoms requires a free neutron, and a fissionable element, preferably in the actinide series. Of course, hafnium is also required to stabilize the reaction, as it's cross section absorbs free neutrons rather well.

But, I'm sure you knew that...
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 28, 11 5:03 PM
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By fcmcmann (417), Hampton Bays on Nov 28, 11 5:20 PM
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By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 28, 11 4:58 PM
"My name is Wendell Potter, and for 20 years I worked as a senior executive at health insurance companies. I saw how they confuse their customers and dump the sick---all so they can satisfy their Wall Street investors."

---Senate testimony, June 24, 2009
By Mr. Z (11842), North Sea on Nov 30, 11 4:49 PM