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Jul 16, 2015 5:17 PMPublication: The Southampton Press

Hampton Bays Diner Closes After 30 Years

Hampton Bays Diner on Montauk Highway is closed. AMANDA BERNOCCO
Jul 17, 2015 3:11 PM

UPDATE: Friday, 1:30 p.m.

Hampton Bays Diner owner Frank Vlahadamis said that he closed his business voluntarily, despite his landlord’s claims Thursday that a judge forced him to close down in an ongoing legal dispute between the two.

“I didn’t lose anything. I closed it to prove to the town what they did to me,” Mr. Vlahadamis said, referring to his raised taxes.

Mr. Vlahadamis noted that the diner closing was a voluntary move to make a statement to the town.

I can open tomorrow, but I don’t want to,” said Mr. Vlahadamis. “This is the facts. If they don’t reduce the taxes, I’m not going to work here.”

Mr. Vlahadamis’s landlord, Thomas Charos, stood by his statements Friday that his former tenant was forced to shutter the business by a judge in an ongoing court case, but he could not offer specifics about the case. His attorney, Peter Mott of Riverhead, was on vacation this week and could not be reached for comment.

ORIGINAL:

The Hampton Bays Diner closed its doors earlier this week—possibly for good—as the property owner says its owners have failed to pay their rent for the past eight months.

Thomas Charos, who owns the West Montauk Highway property that had housed the diner for the past three-plus decades, confirmed on Thursday afternoon that he evicted longtime diner owners Frank and Maria Vlahadamis two days earlier, explaining that they had failed to honor their lease for more than half a year.

Mr. Charos, who owns Charos Properties Ltd. in Riverhead, said the Vlahadamises also reneged on part of their lease in which they were supposed to pay the majority of the taxes—which come to about $60,000 a year—on the 1.9-acre property.

“All I know is, [Mr. Vlahadamis] owes me a lot of money,” said Mr. Charos, who declined to say how much he charged his former tenants in rent each month.

When reached earlier on Thursday, Ms. Vlahadamis said she and her husband had their lease taken away from them due to “a lot of factors,” though she declined to elaborate, stating that she first needed to discuss the situation with her husband.

“This is a painful time for us right now,” she said, declining to say anything else about the situation before talking with her husband.

Several hours later, Ms. Vlahadamis explained that she and her husband had been paying $10,000 a month in rent and, on top of that, were also covering 78 percent of the taxes on the diner property—a point confirmed by Mr. Charos. She also explained that, up until about five years ago, taxes on the land had totaled about $17,500 annually; at that point, she added, the property taxes jumped to about $60,000 per year, and that she and her husband stopped paying them altogether in 2010.

“The town has done many things in the past to ruin my business,” Ms. Vlahadamis said. “I think raising [our] taxes is just a way to push me out.”

Mr. Charos said the Vlahadamises paid “partial taxes” in 2009 and stopped paying them altogether the following year.

“I think taxes are killing all these small businesses here,” Mr. Charos said, referring to the hamlet of Hampton Bays. “Taxes are almost as much as rent.”

Mr. Charos said he delayed taking the Vlahadamises to court over the missed payments, explaining that they told him they would be refinancing soon and, at one point, told him they’d be bringing on a partner to help with the finances. “But that was all lies,” he added.

The diner closed its doors for the last time at 5 p.m. on Tuesday, according to Mr. Charos. But Ms. Vlahadamis said she and her husband closed up shop a full day earlier, at 5 p.m. on Monday.

The tables inside the darkened restaurant were still set on Wednesday night, with half-filled bottles of ketchup still dotting the tables. No signs had been put up on the front door, or any of the windows, explaining that the business was now closed.

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Its about time this poor excuse for a resturant and its shady operator got the boot. This one for you Uncle Carl

By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jul 16, 15 6:15 PM
to Carl...

By joe hampton (3325), southampton on Jul 16, 15 8:19 PM
Carl and Frank were best friends. The last thing Carl would want would for the buisness to be shut down
By Bb4l45 (2), Hampton bays on Jul 17, 15 7:52 PM
Maybe if things were done a little different the night of the incident he would still be here to offer his opinion.

He was a good soul and I just think he deserved better.

Don't you?
By joe hampton (3325), southampton on Jul 17, 15 9:28 PM
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I remember eating there about 30 years ago and ordering a cheeseburger deluxe. i foundca fried June-bug was in my French fries. When I complained, the waitress said "we'll deduct the cost of the fries from your check"
By Non-Political (88), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 15 6:42 PM
lol
By 27dan (2660), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 16, 15 8:11 PM
What a shame. He was ALWAYS so community minded and giving. (not)
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 15 6:51 PM
karma
By Erin 27 E (1188), hampton bays on Jul 16, 15 7:47 PM
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Whaaaat, Now where will every one play cards till 6 am and have there stripper party's and Quinceañeras .

Poor Maria she deserves better, It was not her fault, she was a responsible person who kept that place going (despite you know who) for years!

Best of luck Maria , Your gonna need it ! Lord knows you gave it your best and we appreciated you effort !
By 27dan (2660), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 16, 15 7:59 PM
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true but when you lay down with dogs you get fleas
By Erin 27 E (1188), hampton bays on Jul 16, 15 8:04 PM
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It looks like a Jitney bus. After the fire.
By Funbeer (257), Southampton on Jul 16, 15 8:21 PM
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Next time it's renovated return to original 50's era chrome and kitsch!
By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jul 17, 15 8:34 AM
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Ate there 13 years ago and sent cold food back three times. After third time left and went to Buclkeys for a decent meal and no illegals doing the dishes.
By longislander40 (37), hampton bays on Jul 16, 15 8:22 PM
3 times? you couldn't see after the 2nd time your chow was either spit on or stepped on? You've never worked in the industry, have you?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 16, 15 10:36 PM
Buckley's wasn't open 13 years ago
By lizzybabe (7), southampton on Jul 17, 15 9:02 AM
Check your faces opened in 2002.
By Mary216 (24), Clemmons on Jul 17, 15 10:13 AM
It actually opened in late October/early November 2003. So check your own faces.
By lizzybabe (7), southampton on Jul 20, 15 5:34 PM
Off by one year. You made it sound like the original poster was making up the bad experience at the diner.
By Mary216 (24), Clemmons on Jul 20, 15 10:26 PM
Wasn't intended. Was just stating a fact.
By lizzybabe (7), southampton on Jul 21, 15 4:18 PM
Another vacant commercial building in HB. Just what we need. Hopefully new tenants come in quick and fix up the place.
By HB90 (157), southampton on Jul 16, 15 8:41 PM
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Can't fault the location!
By Frank Wheeler (1810), Northampton on Jul 17, 15 9:07 AM
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Hampton Bays big mouths deserve another vacant dump.
By chief1 (2663), southampton on Jul 16, 15 9:07 PM

Your Diner remarks deserve comment in light of the following: "It is not what enters the mouth that defilith the man, but rather that which proceedeth from it."

By PQ1 (167), hampton bays on Jul 17, 15 11:54 AM
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You deserve a kick in the a**
By HB90 (157), southampton on Jul 16, 15 9:40 PM
I remember when, after a night of partying, we would all go to the diner for either a burger or bacon and eggs! There would be a line waiting to get in.
The diner's in such a great spot that it should be a prime attraction.
Maybe like Phoenix, it will rise again from the ashes.
Hampton Bays needs a friendly diner, with decent food and fair prices.
By baywoman (162), southampton on Jul 16, 15 11:29 PM
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It needs a new owner that can cook good food.
Too much problems over the years. Not a safe
to go at night with the club. We need new blood.
By MR.? (8), southampton on Jul 17, 15 5:28 AM
I think Pyrus Concer once ate hushpuppies there--maybe the town CPF can buy it for $40 million and "preserve" it
By CaptainSig (704), Dutch Harbor on Jul 17, 15 8:22 AM
haaaaa
By Undocumented Democrat (1912), southampton on Jul 17, 15 8:54 AM
IWe had a coupon from the Westhampton Hospice Restaurant Book. We went in and he refused to honor it. Never went back. Nasty man!!! Karma!!
By bayview (156), Southampton on Jul 17, 15 9:19 AM
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If I remember correctly from a article 2 years ago (?) I thought 24 was going to be extended through this property to Good Ground Road....Another Landmark gone..I still miss Center Island..the other landmark that got pushed out by forcing higher rent & taxes. I heard it is also happening to Hampton Bays Pet Supply. Is this a form of bullying?
By 27East Realty (18), HAMPTON BAYS on Jul 17, 15 9:56 AM
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I coined it "de pecuniae" segregation.
By Mr. Z (11125), North Sea on Jul 20, 15 10:42 PM
Well at least the cockroaches can run around in peace! Instead of all over people's food
By LovedHerTown (130), southampton on Jul 17, 15 10:35 AM
Adios
By johnj (967), Westhampton on Jul 17, 15 11:06 AM
Tough crowd!
By bird (777), Southampton on Jul 17, 15 2:25 PM
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Aw, bummer. I went there on Wednesday looking forward to my beloved Vegetariano (rice, beans, salad and a deep fried plantain) and only found emptiness - at the diner and in my sad, sad belly. I guess now I know why.
By eastpoint (4), hb on Jul 17, 15 5:01 PM
In 18 years since I live here I went once and had enough.All dinners across US are the same:bad food,poor service, kitch design!Hope somebody will make a much better restaurant or something else.I'm happy for the closure was time!
By dany (29), Water Mill on Jul 17, 15 5:04 PM
The food at the Hampton Bays Diner sucked, no doubt. But to say that all diners across the US are the same? Give me a break, You could basically go any direction but south of this location and find a diner with solid food.

Lets hope that this diner is replaced with a owner that wants to attract the LOCALS with delicious food, and make the summer crowd happy. I dont think I know a single Hampton Bays resident who would have recommended going there to eat.
By Genuin (26), Hampton Bays on Jul 20, 15 3:30 PM
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With the exception of eastpoint who misses her beloved Vegetariano (rice, beans, salad and a deep fried plantain)

Soy senora lo siento

By eastpoint
By joe hampton (3325), southampton on Jul 22, 15 9:50 PM
princess diner in southampton has a large menu, friendly staff, reasonable prices and good food as well. best onion au gratin in town. try it and see. not at alllike the diner in HB
By xtiego (694), bridgehampton on Jul 17, 15 5:11 PM
Serving Vegetariano (rice, beans, salad and a deep fried plantain) was part of the problem.
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Jul 17, 15 5:21 PM
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The diner was a landmark in the Hamptons and a family owned business for over 30 years. You all should know how hard it is to run a business in the Hamptons let alone live here. This town has been going down hill year by year, business by business. The residents want every night life or fun establishment closed, yet they fail to realize that the night life is the life line and financial support that keeps businesses in this town alive.

If you knew them, every incident that happened at ...more
By Bb4l45 (2), Hampton bays on Jul 17, 15 8:49 PM
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Seems to me the owner was more interested in running a hip hop club then running a family oriented business.

The town is doing just fine. once they incorporate the property values will double.
By Undocumented Democrat (1912), southampton on Jul 17, 15 9:46 PM
You do what you have to do to survive in business. Who are you to judge. Once property values double, middle class families will slowly get squeezed out. Hampton Bays will be second homes or rentals to the people that serve rich people. Be careful what you wish for.
By lirider (265), Westhampton Beach on Jul 19, 15 4:36 AM
What you call middle class has very little class. This is valuable land if you want to own it you have to earn it
Jul 19, 15 4:14 PM appended by They call me
You cant bury your head in the sand and expect the problem to go away. Trump has them schit scared. Good luck Donald! Get focused, get on message, and show the world the President you will be in the upcoming debate.
By They call me (2648), southampton on Jul 19, 15 4:14 PM
"You do what you have to do to survive in business"....

yet the did what they did and couldn't stay in business. Just proves that what they did was not helpful at all in keeping the Diner a viable business.

Yes, it was a landmark and can be again. That doesn't mean its been well run for the last at least 10 years.
By bb (862), Hampton Bays on Jul 23, 15 1:14 PM
You can't survive with property tax that high. Why do you think Hampton Bays is a business wasteland? Look at what a dump Hampton Bays' Main Street is. Property taxes are lower in Southampton and look at all the empty store fronts on Jobs Lane and their Main Street.

New York needs its own Prop 13
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 24, 15 8:55 AM
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So hard for Frank to get by, he needed a $300,000.00 multi engined speed boat to forget his troubles.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 15 11:43 AM
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The consensus seems to be the Diner nor the owner were very well liked and for valid reasons; but despite that the meat and potatoes of this story is the taxes- even the landlord states it himself in the article. Commercial property taxes more than doubled in the last few years. The landlord is an elderly man, who had to pick up 5+ years of the unpaid taxes, at the same time he also wasn't even being paid rent on any consistent basis.He really wanted to see this landmark make it, and gave the diner ...more
By jasmine (9), sh on Jul 19, 15 8:15 AM
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Wether you liked the diner or not the fact remains Hampton Bays is losing restaurants very quickly. The downtown is looking very bad, but still certain locals fight every good project that comes down the pike.
Now when people enter Hampton Bays from rt 24 they will see another vacant building. Is this really what Hampton Bays deserves?
By chief1 (2663), southampton on Jul 19, 15 10:29 AM
The quality of the food was horrible. He also supposedly hosted dog fights in the basement. Hopefully another diner opens up that knows what they are doing.
By unjustifiedjustice2 (35), Hampton bays on Jul 20, 15 9:38 AM
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By widow gavits (219), sag harbor on Jul 20, 15 1:08 PM
The sad truth here is that the parcel has a $60k tax bill. 5,000 a month rent to the Town. That is criminal. Lets keep taking parcels off the tax rolls via the CPF amongst other things that continually raise property taxes. High taxes, no services...Southampton's motto.
By The Real World (359), southampton on Jul 21, 15 12:15 PM
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If the tax bill is $60K per year, that money is going to town, county and SCHOOLS. Educate yourself.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 15 11:41 AM
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By Bb4l45 (2), Hampton bays on Jul 21, 15 12:34 PM
Forget the fact that people don't seem to like the owners, let's talk about the $60,000 tax bill which seems outrageous. No wonder the food tasted cheap but cost an arm and a leg.
By LocalEnthusiast (22), East Quogue on Jul 21, 15 12:42 PM
Look at it this way, the town can't even afford to pay their own taxes...they hire contractors from out of state for the park, because they are cheaper. Yeah, they are cheaper because they don't have to pay Southampton Town taxes! Now that $$ is going to another community.
By bb (862), Hampton Bays on Jul 23, 15 1:19 PM
Exactly. Half the cost of the waffles was going to pay public union employee salaries in Southampton!
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 23, 15 8:07 PM
What are you talking about?
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 15 11:45 AM
ITS ABOUT TIME THAT DUMP CLOSED EVERY TIME U GO BY PLACE WAS EMPTY SIMPLE REASON LOUSY FOOD AND DIRTY PLACE NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN WITH NEW CHROME DINER REBUILT MILLION DOLLAR LOCATION!
By brett (1), Southampton on Jul 22, 15 4:19 PM
Can the Jitney stop there instead of by the dirty bench on the street in front of Panera's?

Safer and easier to board in a parking.

The food was bad and murders on the door step not a big draw for the family crowd.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Jul 22, 15 6:22 PM
made trip with my family from HB to the Princess Diner for years now! ( and the food and service are amazing, the hours not so much, Diners are supposed to be open late all year long, ridiculous)

The owner of the HB Diner / Social club and his poor managment skills was the reason they could not afford to pay the rent ! 15,000 a month for a building that size was a deal! Star bucks in HB pays twice that
By 27dan (2660), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 22, 15 9:41 PM
Safer and easier to board in a parking lot, I meant to write.
By davidf (325), hampton bays on Jul 22, 15 6:22 PM
CaptainSig I hung with Pyrud Concer at the diner when I was young lad.Landmark status at least,What about that Anna.we have the money or may be another museum featuring food from the PAST.
By watchdog1 (517), Southampton on Jul 22, 15 7:16 PM
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Already is a museum, with wax figures for employees, featuring food from the past- as in past its expiration date
By CaptainSig (704), Dutch Harbor on Jul 24, 15 6:35 AM
This diner has a long history in Hampton Bays. Before the Co. Rd 39 bypass was built, everyone coming to the Hamptons came south on 24 past the diner and then travelled east on Old Montauk Hwy. Tom Charos owned the diner which was perfectly positioned, very popular, successful business.. When he learned of the bypass he purchased the land in Southampton and built what is now the Princess Diner and still managed to catch all the traffic heading east. The Princess Diner (leased) has remained successful ...more
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Jul 22, 15 9:12 PM
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This place was responsible for bringing hundreds of people into our town that never new Hampton bays existed. Once those people felt welcome here they set up multiple family work camps in our neighborhoods. The owner seems to have planed that the residents would get pissed and when they demanded the town put a stop to the over occupancy, shooting and drug use. the desperate and calculating owners filed a multi million dollar racial discrimination suit.
By 27dan (2660), Shinnecock Hills on Jul 23, 15 9:37 AM
This diner has a long history in Hampton Bays. Before the Co. Rd 39 bypass was built, everyone coming to the Hamptons came south on 24 past the diner and then travelled east on Old Montauk Hwy. Tom Charos owned the diner which was perfectly positioned, very popular, successful business.. When he learned of the bypass he purchased the land in Southampton and built what is now the Princess Diner and still managed to catch all the traffic heading east. The Princess Diner (leased) has remained successful ...more
Jul 23, 15 9:56 AM appended by Arnold Timer
Can't seem to stop my posts from duplicating...The "unsubmitted" comment remains in the comment box after I submit and even when I close the page.
By Arnold Timer (315), Sag Harbor on Jul 23, 15 9:56 AM
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Well at least it was a good post! :)
By bb (862), Hampton Bays on Jul 23, 15 1:18 PM
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I was a regular customer there for many years. I was always treated with the up most respect. I never even had to order, the servers knew what we liked. Meals were consistent and any problem were always resolved quickly. Seeing the doors closed was a very sad moment. It was one of the few places that people who worked late could get a meal out.
By sarahmarian (2), Southampton on Jul 23, 15 1:27 PM
Property taxes in Hampton Bays are a crime. I saw the other day that a $95 million property in Southampton has property tax of about $120,000. I know someone in Hampton Bays with 4.5 acres on the water who pays $63,000. No joke.

Hampton Bays needs to secede from the Town of Southampton. It's the only way. One might argue that another way would be for residents of Southampton Village to pay a little more to cover their servants who live in Hampton Bays, but that will never happen.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 23, 15 8:03 PM
Since the vast majority of the taxes are school taxes seceding from Southampton won't help. The only way to fix the taxes is to remove the school board and replace them with people with some level of fiscal responsibility.
By bird (777), Sag Harbor on Jul 23, 15 10:49 PM
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there are two new board members- lets see if they put their money where their mouth is
By CaptainSig (704), Dutch Harbor on Jul 24, 15 6:38 AM
$150/day for taxes seems cheap to me-a bargin
By westhamptonboy (227), Westhampton on Jul 24, 15 1:39 AM
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Oh really? A bargain? Suppose you make 10% on a $10 pancake plate. You would have to sell 150 plates of pancakes to make $150. So, your first 150 plates of pancakes are for the Southampton government. You can't tax your way to prosperity. Businesses will just leave.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 24, 15 8:43 AM
I guess you're right. Of the $63K in property tax, $51K is for the school. Can you imagine? One household paying $51K a year to the school? Something has gone seriously wrong. The government was supposed to serve the people, not the other way around.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 24, 15 8:49 AM
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what happened to the pilot program has that expired ?

we need to do this incorporated village transition fast.

if we incorporate can we develop residential ocean front homes on parts of dune road like the rest of the hamptons, then kick out all the illegal use of single family homes and get some respect as well as solve the tax problem
By Erin 27 E (1188), hampton bays on Jul 24, 15 4:37 PM
I see what you did there very clever, and as a legal Latino that lives one family in a one family neighborhood I could not agree with you more. We have zoning laws for a reason.
By Undocumented Democrat (1912), southampton on Jul 24, 15 9:01 PM
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It is NOT a household, it is a commercial business.
By But I'm a blank! (1283), Hampton Bays on Jul 26, 15 11:48 AM
Not crazy about the idea of building on our dunes. Dune Road is pretty much the nicest part of HB, much nicer than the ocean fronts east and west of it.

The school taxes have got to be addressed and one family has to live in one house and pay their share of school taxes.
By bb (862), Hampton Bays on Jul 27, 15 5:12 PM
Erin - you stated: if we incorporate can we develop residential ocean front homes on parts of dune road like the rest of the hamptons, then kick out all the illegal use of single family homes and get some respect as well as solve the tax problem

Develop residential homes WHERE? There are 0 undeveloped lots in HB on the ocean. Everything is built or preserved...
By Nature (2966), Southampton on Jul 27, 15 5:20 PM
that may be true nature, but why is it that we have all the preserved ocean front and cant take advantage of the expanded tax base the rest of the towns enjoy to there benefit?

seems to me h b got screwed again. enough of this sh town does not have our best interests in mind.

we are the most beautiful hampton with the shortest commute from the city, our property should be worth 3 times what it is currently worth
By Erin 27 E (1188), hampton bays on Jul 27, 15 8:26 PM
It will be Erin... It will be

Hang on to your property in Hampton Bays and you will soon be a very rich woman.
By joe hampton (3325), southampton on Jul 27, 15 8:29 PM
Cave canem feralis.

Fiddle Fiddle Fiddle !!!
By Nero (276), Sag Harbor on Jul 27, 15 9:15 PM
Cave vectigal quaestum...
Jul 27, 15 9:47 PM appended by Mr. Z
Voluptatem quaestum, Nero?
By Mr. Z (11125), North Sea on Jul 27, 15 9:47 PM
Quaestum Farrellis in nomine Giuseppe?
By Nero (276), Sag Harbor on Jul 28, 15 7:06 AM
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Finally seeing some posts regarding the huge tax increase within three years. Going from $18k to $67k in such a short period of time, is what is criminal.

Regardless of what you thought of the owners of the diner, the taxes are the real problem here. Now we will have another empty store front that will just go to pot. So sad.
By Terbear (77), Southampton on Jul 26, 15 11:16 AM
High property taxes are not always a bad think they keep the Riff Raff out of the neighborhood and raise property values
By joe hampton (3325), southampton on Jul 26, 15 8:04 PM
In the long run High Property Taxes are always a bad idea. Who moves in to the community with high taxes? Those who are starting families cannot likely afford to live there. You eventually squeeze the population into the upper end and leave the younger population to cling to inherited properties only. With fewer tax payers with higher tax bills fewer people move in and tax rates increase to compensate.
By Baymen87 (128), Lugoff, SC on Jul 27, 15 9:26 AM
I'm hearing the Roberts in Watermill just closed its doors because of excessive taxes.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Jul 27, 15 3:19 PM
Did it occur to you that taxes are not the problem, but overvaluation and land speculation are the problem?
By Mr. Z (11125), North Sea on Jul 27, 15 9:39 PM
Joe Hampton, please say that you are joking. I am sure Sagaponack is in a crisis with all the Riff Raff that is there will low property taxes. High taxes do not raise property values, property values in districts with poorly run school districts and no commercialization raise property taxes. In a perfect world, a county school board with one governing body instead of a bunch of school districts paying a bunch of superintendents would be a start.
By The Real World (359), southampton on Jul 28, 15 8:04 AM
"High property taxes are not always a bad think [sic] they keep the Riff Raff out of the neighborhood and raise property values."

Thus providing wealthy homeowners, perhaps the clients of certain posters here, with their islands of refuge like Sagaponack . . . ?

One imagines that builders with the word "Joe" in their corporate names might feel this way . . .
By PBR (4907), Southampton on Jul 28, 15 9:21 AM
I have a modest business and I can see that what Joe is saying holds merit. I would much rather pay local property taxes that makes the neighborhood i live in prosper Vs Income taxes that fuel the Uber Federal Government that redistributes my hard earned $ and makes more regulations that are really more taxes!
By Undocumented Democrat (1912), southampton on Jul 28, 15 10:38 AM
Match.com singles have lost their meeting place. So sad to see the diner go.
By Jac (2), East Quogue on Aug 3, 15 8:43 AM
sale, hot tubs, spa, event