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Oct 6, 2010 11:24 AMPublication: The Southampton Press

Rechlers pick up demolition permit applications for Canoe Place Inn

Editor's Note:
Oct 6, 2010 11:24 AM

“This is the last historic building in Hampton Bays,” she said of the inn. “If it gets razed, there’s not going to be another time. I think the town needs to stop asking for input [on the proposal] and follow their master plan and say this will be what’s best for the town.”

As part of their original plan, the Rechlers wanted to level the Canoe Place Inn and build 75 timeshares on the property—a project that they say would not require a change of zone. Town officials have previously stated that current zoning only allows for up to 28 timeshares to be constructed there, or about one third of what the Rechlers had hoped to build.

On Friday, Mr. Rechler said he did not know for certain what would be constructed on the property if they decide to demolish the inn. He said they could build a restaurant on the site, adding that several potential tenants have already expressed interest.

If the Town Board agrees to move ahead with the temporary ban on PDDs, it will be the latest in a series of moratoriums targeting Hampton Bays since 2008. R Squared LLC is currently suing the town over its prior moratoriums, alleging that the building bans have illegally blocked their rights to develop the land.

“My hope is that maybe someone else on the Town Board steps up and champions this settlement,” Mr. Rechler said about the condominium plan. “My hope is to move forward, but my belief at the end of the day is that it might not happen. If it doesn’t, I have to move forward.

“We’re going to move forward on both tracks,” he added, noting that he expects to make a final decision before the end of the week. “I’m preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best.”

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How about an Outback Steakhouse and a Hooters?
By itsamazing (222), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 3:41 PM
This is the Hampton's not Rt 110. So a Morton's steak house and a Hooters would be more appropriate
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 8:22 PM
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Dear C.A. L.
No Mortons! Are you crazy?
I want an OTB, a Check Cashing Store... AND a Hooters.

Oh, I almost forgot the Chinese take out and chiropractic office :(
(sorry)
By elliot (251), sag harbor on Oct 2, 10 9:37 AM
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We really need a strip club on the east end, Hooters doesn't have lap dances! The Check Cashing Stores is a great idea, maybe it could be within a pawn shop!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 4:13 PM
Don't you mean a porn shop?
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 8:51 PM
Let them tear it down, but put in place the pdd moratorium and don't let them build
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 1, 10 4:04 PM
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They don't need a PDD to build on the CPI site.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 2, 10 12:49 AM
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"As part of the proposal, the Rechlers would preserve the outside of the inn and provide a public walkway along the east side of Shinnecock Canal. In exchange, the town would have had to approve a PDD and allow the developers to build the luxury condominiums where the Tide Runners and 1 North Steakhouse restaurants now stand."
By dagdavid (646), southampton on Oct 2, 10 10:23 AM
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Like I said they don't need a PDD to build on the CPI site, so there is no LET them knock it down. It is there right to knock it down if they choose to. Then they can as of right build on the site as well.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 2, 10 4:03 PM
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It amazes me when I read comments like this.

The Rechlers bought the property. The Rechlers own the property. The Rechlers can and will build on their property. Done properly the PDD helps control what is being built.

Surely people understand that there is going to be construction on both sides of the canal, with our without the pdd.

Wake up people - the land owner has rights!
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 1:52 PM
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This comment has been removed because it is a duplicate, off-topic or contains inappropriate content.
By bird (793), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 9:23 PM
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A PDD is not a right. The property owner has the right to build within the zoning restrictions in place when he purchased the property.
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 5, 10 3:05 PM
No a PDD is not a right.

I have heard all sorts of wonderful plans for what could be done on the east side of the canal. Buy it with CPF funds and make a park; switch it for another (less valuable) piece of land somewhere else in town; take it by eminent domain; allow the Rechlers to building housing in WH by their project there. All great ideas but it doesn't seem that any are grounded in reality.

The property owner has rights and they are legally allowed to build on the properties, ...more
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 4:27 PM
Well, "everything has a shelf life".

Maybe the place simply is not salvageable, HOWEVER, the last thing we need is more unaffordable housing, and more examples of avarice, and another contributing factor which would damage the local environment.

They want an ROI, on an expensive investment. They want to play the Wall St. game, where more inventive ways are created to "hedge" bets, and not lose.

GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 1, 10 4:21 PM
What is damaging the local environment? I don't follow what you are saying here.

There will be construction...if you want the sewage treatment plant you need the PDD. Otherwise, that is gone.

By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 1:54 PM
Constuction waste blowing into the canal (don't think it won't). Cesspools leaching, unless they have a waste treatment facility. Even then, how much nitrogen would be generated is a valid question. Will there be "rugs" for lawns? How will they be fertilized? Where will the runoff go?

Lots o' questions...
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 5, 10 10:53 PM
I never though of the canal as being environmentally sensitive. The canal has concrete sides in most places and I am told the bottom was concrete when it was constructed. I do agree that whatever blows into the canal will wind up in the bays. For the most part the canal is a highway for boats and suspect more damage is being done by what they dump and pump into the water then what seeps in from the sides.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 12:46 PM
There will be construction, hence "construction waste", whether or not the Inn is razed. They are building on their property.

With an as of right construction, there is no wate treatment facility; with the PDD there is.

Whatever laws there are in place will be applied to either construction. Are "rugs" for lawns the law? Where does the runoff go now?
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 4:14 PM
I'm getting pretty sick and tired of outside developers coming into our community and telling us what's important and what's not. While CPI right now may not be gem that it used to be, it by far could be again. The Rechler's had a good idea in making it a catering hall....it maybe wouldn't make them as much money, but it would still be profitable and it WOULD be a benefit to the community. Imagine it all spruced-up again. It could be the largest catering hall out here which would enable organizations ...more
By LMVT (55), Shinnecock Indian Reservation on Oct 1, 10 5:07 PM
So why don't you buy the property from Mr Rechler and build your catering hall ????????????????????????????$????????????????????????????
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 8:24 PM
Most likely because the investment required, is a bit beyond the average person's fiscal means.

I see you like to read about "crimes against liberty", but remember that freedom or liberty, like any other good thing, can quite easily be abused. Where has that $200 trillion dollars of thin air, evaporative captial gone from the last ten years, anyway? OH. wait, that's right, I forgot the whole pile of money, may as well have been the square root, of negative one...
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 12:21 AM
Z, I have come to respect your opinion and most of the time agree to disagree.I must say at times you tend to wallow in self pity. Come on where is your American spirit? You can do anything you set your mind to, or did your Grand dad for get to give you that speech.
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 2, 10 8:47 PM
The problem is that the Rechlers agree to preserve the Inn but the Town/Anna/community members are changing the playing field by saying they don't want the PDD on the east side of the canal. They either get the PDD and we get the Inn, which would absolutely benefit the town, or they plow down the Inn and build as much as possible on both sides.

If you feel strongly the Inn needs to be preserved, you should contact Anna office and let her know that.

It is sad that we have to play ...more
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 1:57 PM
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Yes they can knock CPI down and yes they can build...but... they need the PDD to build at the increased density they want. ATH, just say no to the PDD and let them build to current zoning. And good riddance to the CPI. It was once a great spot but is now just an eyesore.
By bird (793), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 9:24 PM
Joe, I work every day. Be it at my regular job, or Google, or some type of mechanic, or PC work. I put my nose to the grind every day, but it just never seems to be enough. Money, money, money, money. Thankfully, I DO have boots, and some straps to go with them.

Problem is, this ain't my grandfather's Post WWII world, or economy. And my dollar was worth alot less than his. The inflation index has been calculated since 1920, "when a dollar, was worth a dollar". In the early seventies, ...more
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 5, 10 11:06 PM
How about naming it the OBI East? Bobby Matherson, God rest his Soul, would probably love it.
By saillyn500 (4), Lindenhurst on Oct 1, 10 5:36 PM
How about we speak up for all of the homeowners behind and around the CPI location who suffer from the current nightclub use? Where is their right of enjoyment?
By sirpoochala (78), Hampton Bays on Oct 1, 10 5:41 PM
The needs of the many out way the needs of one fool on a hill (Who dials 911 at 10:01 every Friday and ruins 200 people having a nice time and a meal) Why did you buy the propriety in the first place? Kind of like the people around the East Hampton airport
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 1, 10 8:28 PM
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Or the Bridgehampton Raceway, the Westhampton Dragstrip, and Rambo, Inc.
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 12:23 AM
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Their right of enjoyment may have been altered...if they bought more than forty years ago. Otherwise, they simply failed the caveat emptor test.

Let's stop trying to idiot proof the town.
By VOS (1213), WHB on Oct 2, 10 1:09 AM
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I am not sure how this plays into the current situation. NO ONE is preserving a bar. One way or the other the current bar situation will be gone. IT may be a different type of bar, since that is the "as of right" but no one wants the business which is operating there now.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 1:59 PM
No one huh, You mean no one on the hill maybe all 4 of you
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 3, 10 5:18 PM
that club and restaurants have been there long before you and your house. you should have looked around your house when you purchased it
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 3, 10 10:52 PM
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There is no plan to keep the building running as it currently is. Have you heard people say it looks great let's keep the Coliseum in business?
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 3:15 PM
who are you directing your comments to? I don't own a house there. But I've heard from everyone who does. Why are you so nasty?
By sirpoochala (78), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 5:39 PM
Take a picture, put up a monument and tear it down. Its a rat trap!
By Crankie (10), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 8:11 PM
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Tear it down, it has been an eyesore for years. Don't let them build on it either. We don't need more condos!
By Walt (286), Southampton on Oct 1, 10 8:44 PM
Not letting them build is not a legal option.
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 2, 10 12:52 AM
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Owners of property have rights. They own the property, they have the right to build. They will build. What they will build remains to be seen.

Yes it is an eyesore, let's not be shortsighted, they are willing to put up the money to fix the eyesore. What is wrong with that?
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 2:01 PM
You keep saying this. Yes, they have the right to build under current zoning restrictions they do NOT have the right to a PDD
By progressnow (556), sag harbor on Oct 5, 10 3:06 PM
I understand that. I was responding to Walt who said "Don't let them build on it either."

How do you legally tell a property owner we've decided they can't build on it?
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 4:19 PM
The Rechlers are free to build what ever they want on their properties on both sides of the canal that falls within what the properties are zoned for. It seems that our town supervisor may have decided that preserving the Canoe Place Inn is not important to the Hampton Bays community. I personally will be very disappointed.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 2, 10 12:16 AM
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You and many other people. Our supervisor is supposed to be representing what we want, not what she wants.

I hope you have let the Town know, as Anna as requested, that you feel the destruction of the Inn would be a loss to our town.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 2:03 PM
Yes BB I have, but fear we may be in the minority. Many people only see the CPI as the eyesore and nuisance it is today and can't imagine what it was and could be in the future. Also, some people think the town can simply dictate what can be done on the properties on both sides of the canal without the need for a PDD. I don't know...
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 4:01 PM
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I can't wait to see it leveled if we should be so lucky!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 2, 10 12:53 AM
The Rechlers knew what they buying going in. They are very sophistacted investors. The PDD allows them to build more than the current zoning permits all under the guise of "Public Benefit". Let them build what is their right, the CPI has been an eyesore for a long time, tear it down. Whatever they replace it with will be an improvement and whatever is built will have more public input and cotrols in place throught the Planning and Zoning Boards. PDD's need to go away as a zoning tool as not enough ...more
By North Sea Citizen (545), North Sea on Oct 2, 10 7:57 AM
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"whatever is built will have more public input and cotrols in place throught the Planning and Zoning Boards."

Sorry, if they build as of right your input goes out the window.

PDDs are a tool. If the tool is misused, there is a problem. Instead of throwing it all away, why not advocate for the Town to work harder at benefiting us.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 3, 10 2:07 PM
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"Any tool may be a weapon, but not every weapon is a tool."
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 5, 10 11:12 PM
I still believe that CPI properly restored would be a bonus for Hampton Bays as well as the entire Long Island. To loose this gem ;we would loose an important part of our history. its really sad
By pageking57 (12), Flanders on Oct 2, 10 9:25 AM
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Restore the CPI to its original splendor and than lease it to the Shinnecocks to open a 24 hour casino/night club.
By EastEnd68 (888), Westhampton on Oct 2, 10 12:30 PM
Yes, and the Southampton Press headline can read "Shinnecocks Return to Canoe Place - Scalp Pale Faces!" on some level I like it!
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 7:37 PM
Lets just rebuild the HB light house and put in a 7 11??? do you hear yourself?
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 12, 10 6:59 PM
Dear Laura/Editor::: please note that your article headliner states that they picked up demolition permits and your article says they pick up applications that haven't been filed yet. If you're trying to confuse all of your readers, congratulations you accomplished that. A permit and an application are not mutually exclusive and a permit would be issued only after an application was filed, appropriate filing fees were paid and the building department approved the application. then and only then ...more
By BIGjimbo12 (201), East Quogue on Oct 2, 10 11:45 PM
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Good point, it seems as though they may be emulating the Puffington Host which is notorious for misleading headlines. Selling your soul for clicks is the new deal with the devil!
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 4:08 PM
The headline had been modified.
By BOReilly (135), 27east Web Editor on Oct 4, 10 3:31 PM
That same application form could be used for a building permit as well. For any property in SH Town.
By Draggerman (917), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 8:15 AM
Better get that demo permit in before they place a moratorium on all development in Hampton Bays. Ever seen a moratorium go in place when there was not a specific project in motion that it directly effects?

I'm tired of the Town retroactively removing property rights, and I'm just a little guy struggling to make my mortgage payment. Hold that thought.. I have to go change the lightbulbs in my outdoor fixtures!
By diy_guy (101), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 8:50 AM
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If I were the Rechlers, I would do a joint venture with the Shinnicock Indians and build a casino marina resort hotel with all the trimmings. Hell a good case could be made to secede from the the usa, and form there own country. The Town of Southampton and the State of New York would get "ZERO" in taxes. I can tell the Rechkers exactly how to accomplish this venture. rrc1049@Yahoo.com.
By rrc1049 (63), Bridgehampton on Oct 3, 10 11:04 AM
Losing the CPI's history and memories will be our local version of who lost Red China? Afraid that Anna's indecisiveness will be the answer to the question of "Who Lost the CPI?"
By gordie howe (55), hockeytown usa on Oct 3, 10 8:47 PM
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Wonder if it will make Jeopardy some day?
By ICE (1214), Southampton on Oct 3, 10 8:58 PM
as part of the demolition permit process it has to be approved by the landmarks board since the structure is older than 75 years. so they can get all the permit forms they want. it will still be tied up in the bureaucracy.
this is just an empty gesture by the rechlers.
By ridiculous (214), hampton bays on Oct 3, 10 10:54 PM
Having attended all of the informational meetings regarding CPI - the building is not covered by the landmarks board. It is a real possibility that it will be demolished. Furthermore, the Rechler's have a pending lawsuit that will wind up costing all of SHT millions to fight and or settle in the end.
By gordie howe (55), hockeytown usa on Oct 4, 10 10:28 AM
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Or Mr. Benicasa could sidestep it, and give them their permit followed with an "oops" ala the historic building in Bridgehampton for his buddy Farrell.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 4:06 PM
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It's not the Supervisor's decision as to granting the Rechlers a PDD. It is the Town Board. But, in all fairness, it should be the people of Hampton Bays that have the final vote in a referendum. Why hasn't anyone brought this option up?
By bobalooey (45), East Quogue on Oct 4, 10 12:57 AM
They have brought up the idea and at the last meeting held on the subject the Town said they couldn't hold a referendum on the issue.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 3:11 PM
Just another example of the wealthy taking for themselves what should be shared by the community. Restaurants like Tide Runners are the few places left that a "regular Joe" can gather and eat, drink and enjoy the waterfront. Knocking it down to build condos and replacing CPI with a catering hall benefits only those wealthy enough to buy one of those overpriced condos or pay the ridiculous prices to hold an event at the catering hall.

Leave the waterfront for the community to enjoy and ...more
By eagleeye (77), Sag Harbor on Oct 4, 10 9:41 AM
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What happened to a property owners rights? They are willing to preserve an important part of Hampton Bays and Town history - throw them a bone - it will generate plenty of property tax revenue for all of SH.
By gordie howe (55), hockeytown usa on Oct 4, 10 10:27 AM
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Perhaps they could and should include family restauraunts and some small retail stores in the lower level of their buildings, but without a PDD there will be nothing to negotiate. I feel the town has enough bars now that struggle through the winter to stay in business.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 1:13 PM
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That is the problem, without the PDD there is no room for negotiation. A year round restaurant would be nice.

Of course a few years back there was a thought on having a warf on the canal with shops, similar to Gosman's. That was an unpopular idea with some. Now it seems that it should have been considered.
By bb (892), Hampton Bays on Oct 7, 10 11:49 AM
The town should continue the negotiations with the Rechlers and the Rechlers should show good faith and close down the Coliseum.

By gordie howe (55), hockeytown usa on Oct 4, 10 10:29 AM
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At least the Coliseum gives them some return on their investment. They have been trying to do something there for years. I think they would be crazy not to try to get something out of the CPI building while they wait and wait and wait...
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 2:15 PM
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Seems to me, as far as I know, these PDD projects that are suppose to bring with them public benefits have brought more public adverse reactions than praise. They feel like they are more of a means for a developer to get six cents from a nickel than provide a public benefit. So I think its a good idea to take a second look and fine tune the concept.

I'm not fully aware of the projects, but someone mentioned that with the PDD access to the waterfront would be preserved to the public at ...more
By V.Tomanoku (759), southampton on Oct 4, 10 11:07 AM
I'll save everyone else the troulbe.... What you propose for the Tuckahoe sight = Riverhead. Downtown Riverhead is a disaster, due in large part because of Rt. 58 and all the big box stores, so...unless you want SHV to go the way of Riverhead, re-consider what kind of stores you'd like to see in Tuckahoe.
By Nature (2966), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 12:24 PM
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Good point, but I would disagree. I think Riverhead and SHV are very different places. Socially and economically they are worlds apart and probaly have always been.

For myself there are only a handfull of stores in the village that make sense for me to frequent. I would rather go to Kmart and buy 3 bathing suits for $21.00 than $200.00 for one in the village. The stores I envision i believe would not displace the ones in the village although some might feel their margins pinched a bit. ...more
By V.Tomanoku (759), southampton on Oct 4, 10 1:41 PM
Take it down! The sooner that eyesore's gone, the better.
By clam pie (161), Westhampton on Oct 4, 10 12:22 PM
So...you move forward...to what??? Density?? How is the life-style in Melville??? Why not build there---??? It's time to really take a look at the future of the Hamptons...going green??? more like develope til you drop dead!--no more travel and tourism...no more beautiful scenic overlooks.
Those such as clam pie's comments ---you are cluless to what I just noted.
By UNITED states CITIZEN (207), SOUTHAMPTON on Oct 4, 10 2:25 PM
Lets all switch back to black and white TV, telegraph machines and cars with fat whitewall tires. We have no choice to progress the key is doing it in a pleasing and responsible manner. Besides sometimes new is nice.... as long as it has charm and fits in with the character of its surroundings.
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 4, 10 10:22 PM
I get a kick out of this blog. the negativity here is rediculous. the Rechlers purchased this property in good faith and the previous owners of the property Chuck Herman even set up meetings with the town and the town was very receptive in working with them. The town has now dragged their feet for many years and cost these people hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Personally to the people that complain about the building - I laugh - If the people ON THE HILL looked before they purchased property ...more
By fetupwithSHT (16), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 5:34 PM
Will Anna listen. Doubtful
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 4, 10 10:26 PM
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 5, 10 11:18 PM
I like the indoor pool idea, with sauna hopefully, and open to the public would be great. The closest indoor pool out here is all the way in East Hampton. This would be a positive PDD benefit. Arthritis sufferers used to be able to have classes at the "omni" before the new gym club took out the pools. So this would be a good benefit for the town residents. I would vote for town board members that would support this type of PDD either at this location or elsewhere. Hint.
By V.Tomanoku (759), southampton on Oct 4, 10 5:54 PM
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Oh my God. If tourists start comming back to HB with all their $$, the town might get so heavy it breaks off Long Island and sinks into the ocean and we all drown. You truly are a dangerous fanatic. We should stone you!
Oct 4, 10 8:01 PM appended by METCOMedia
Please put the rocks down. I was only kidding!
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 4, 10 8:01 PM
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I have to drive by this dump all the time. It is a dilapidated eyesore. It is a rotting heap. It's not a landmark; it's a blightmark. It brings down the value of property in the entire neighborhood. I need a shower every time I drive by due to all the dust from the unkempt dirt parking lot. I'm concerned also that homeless people set up camp down the dirt road behind the place. It is time to do the right thing and rebuild this corner.
By SHPredatorDept (72), Southampton on Oct 5, 10 4:40 PM
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I believe everyone is in agreement including the property owners, that it will not remain as it is. This is a good thing either way. It would however, be nice for the memory and history of the Canoe Place Inn to be preserved on the site in some way.
By METCOMedia (116), Hampton Bays on Oct 6, 10 1:29 PM
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I think that comment is funny also as #1 I am sure the parking lot is like that, cause the town will not allow a paved parking lot if you remember the arguments in town about 9 years ago, and as this town continues to put businesses out of business guess what we lose more jobs, and create more homeless. If you drive by the building on a daily basis you are probably one of the persons someone mentioned before calling noise complaints at 1001. I lived on newtown road about 3 or 4 houses from the railroad ...more
By fetupwithSHT (16), Hampton Bays on Oct 5, 10 11:41 PM
The only single, unreproachable fact that remains, no matter what politcs ensue, is that EVERY single member of the human race MUST exist on this mudball we call "Earth".

The sooner everyone figures that out, the better...
By Mr. Z (11420), North Sea on Oct 7, 10 1:42 AM
Life liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. No guarantees Z we have been down this road before.
By joe hampton (3364), south hampton on Oct 7, 10 8:07 AM
Drive-in movies,Coopers Beach, Southampton village